RHOC S20 E7 Carmela's Kool-Aid and Vicki's Scooter

RHOC Carmela's Kool-Aid and Vicki's Scooter

RHOC S20 E7 All Bets Are Off

Vegas Day 2 takes the RHOC ladies to the Grand Canyon, where the group tackles the Skywalk, zip-lining, and a Hualapai cultural experience. Shannon arrives with a scooter for Vicki and immediately crashes into her, setting the tone for another chaotic day. While Emily, Jen, Vicki, and Shannon brave the zip line—with Vicki and Shannon eventually backing out—Heather, Tamra, Gina, and Carmela participate in the cultural experience. Tamra gets emotional as she reflects on how she is trying to stop letting insignificant things trigger her, but the biggest drama of the day comes when Shannon breaks down over the room situation. Feeling lonely and overlooked, Shannon finally confronts Heather, who once again gets defensive before insisting Shannon should simply talk to her—exactly what Shannon is trying to do.

Carmela also finds herself in the hot seat after the women question why she is focusing so much on building a business team with her ex rather than strengthening friendships within the group. Vicki goes especially hard, questioning Carmela's choices as a mother and accusing her of leaving her children behind while traveling. Heather eventually shuts Vicki down, and Shannon comes to Carmela's defense. Carmela is understandably furious, especially because she feels judged by women who don't know the circumstances of her family. Gina points out that she experienced something similar when she first joined the group, while Tamra recognizes that Vicki is struggling because Carmela has come into the group making an immediate impression—and bringing plenty of gifts. Even after an entertaining scavenger hunt involving nicknames, swag, and another zip-line challenge, the tension between Vicki and Carmela remains unresolved.

By the final night, however, Vicki attempts to make peace with Carmela, admitting that she came on too strong and apologizing for making her feel horrible. Carmela opens up about how Danny stepping up with the kids has made her realize she may need to soften and show more gratitude, especially after infidelity has made her more guarded. Emily relates, sharing that she eventually had to soften with Shane and recognize the importance of initiating and appreciating their relationship. Meanwhile, the conversation turns to marriage and intimacy, with Jen encouraging Tamra to reconnect physically with her husband and Heather suggesting that sometimes you actually have to schedule time for sex. The episode ends on a surprisingly tender note when Heather tells Shannon that she simply hasn't met the person who deserves her yet, leaving Shannon emotional as the women remind her that she deserves a great love.

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Lori (00:01.438)
Hey, this is Laurie, from We Wine Whenever.

Kelli (00:05.986)
I'm Kelly.

Lori (00:06.954)
There you go. Welcome to We Wine Whenever. Tonight we're talking about Real Housewives of Ocean County, episode seven. what? Orange County? What? No? Why? Did I really see what Metaphost does? That's great. Well, well, there you go. Listen, just to be clear, we're not talking about Real Housewives of Ocean County.

Kelli (00:15.638)
Oran orange cabinet.

You you said ocean.

Kelli (00:27.443)
We live in Ocean County.

Kelli (00:34.51)
'Cause then you'd be hearing about real, real housewives.

Lori (00:34.696)
Because that shit is boring as hell. You'd be hearing about real housewives, you'd be hearing about

Kelli (00:40.748)
Who don't want to clean their own fucking houses anymore.

Lori (00:43.806)
Right, who have children who have mental issues who get arrested and parents dying and cats with wounds and you just you know, listen. So just okay. I'm so sorry. So funny. That's great. I didn't even catch it. I was like Yeah. I didn't even realize. I didn't even realize. Yeah. Didn't even realize it. That's great.

Kelli (00:55.057)
god.

Kelli (01:01.324)
That was hysterical. You were really committed to it too. You're like, we're talking about real real housewives of Ocean County.

Lori (01:13.532)
I need no further entertainment than my own stupidity, I must tell you. Okay. So all bets are off. And they are. All bets are off.

Kelli (01:23.85)
All bets are off for them and for us.

Lori (01:25.766)
Orange County Ocean County. Okay. Well it's OC, you know? All right. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. So we're still in Vegas. They're getting glammed up to go to the Grand Canyon. Somebody says why can't you wear pants? I don't know who said it. I don't know who they said it to. I was very confused. Jen is complaining about the room change to Heather.

Kelli (01:30.848)
It is O C. We are the real housewives of the OC.

Lori (01:53.276)
Shannon comes into the suite with a scooter for Vicky. And then we get this weird scene where Shannon is dragging Vicky across the floor while Vicky yells, Get my head out of your vagina. I don't know what was going on there. Do you remember this scene? Yeah, I was like that was n it was no good. Then Shannon runs into Vicki with the scooter, right into her knee.

Kelli (02:11.542)
It's all part of the shtick. It's all part of the shtick.

Kelli (02:21.422)
Basically crashes right into her.

Lori (02:23.099)
Brilliant.

Right into her. All right. and then Jen tells Shannon she needs to then they have the whole stupid scene with Jen telling Shannon, well, since I gave you the room, you need to give me one of your pocketbooks and then Shannon asks for the pocketbook back 'cause it's green and goes with her outfit. And I was like, okay, blah blah blah blah blah. let's see. And they go in two different cars.

Kelli (02:49.251)
Right.

Lori (02:55.082)
Gina, Shannon and Carmella and somebody I I've I I always get confused. In the second car, Tamara, Emily, Heather, and Jen. So who was in the first car? Gina, Shannon, Carmella?

Kelli (03:13.346)
I don't know. well, so Carmella was telling them that her daughter has the flu. Yes, because Vicky wouldn't look up. So it was Gina, Carmela, Vicky, and then who was the other one? Jen? Because Carmella was saying my daughter has the flu.

Lori (03:13.897)
And maybe that's it. I think that's it. no, Vicky, Vicky, Vicky, Vicky. Gina sh yeah, she wouldn't even acknowledge

Lori (03:31.421)
Shannon. Yeah, yeah.

Kelli (03:33.772)
Her older sister's helping out and Danny is helping out and Gina's like, Okay, well it shouldn't be a big deal that he helps take care of your kids. If you if you've been together for almost a decade, then I agree.

Lori (03:40.648)
Right.

Right. But where's the dad? That's what I want to know.

Kelli (03:47.501)
Well, so I think that they have like that nesting situation. So if it's their time to be at the house with Carmela, maybe I I don't know. I don't know where their dad is. But if it's the situation where Carmela's in the house with them this week, then you know. I mean, listen, she is thirteen well, she's only thirteen years old. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. God bless you.

Lori (04:05.927)
Right. Right.

Lori (04:11.465)
Fourteen. Fourteen. I'm so sorry. I sneeze. Okay, and then she we learned that she got the kids in the divorce, when the kids were three, four, five, and six. Wow, she really did one after the other. and then production panning to like Vicky's bitch face is great why Carmela is talking.

Kelli (04:16.878)
Capazio.

Kelli (04:37.058)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (04:39.419)
Yeah, Vicky's sitting there like not making a a peep. And you know right. And then, you know, I must have gone to like a confessional 'cause I have written down like what did Carmela say that didn't make sense, Vicky? Like I I don't even know what you're talking about. Right.

Kelli (04:43.56)
Mm. Won't even look up from her computer.

Kelli (04:57.112)
Well, she was kind of explaining her gig with the X and Vicky was like, Yeah, I I don't get it. But

Lori (05:03.047)
Yeah. So in the second car, somebody asked Jen about her working with Carmella. I didn't catch who it was. And she answers, she answers, I don't know. I don't have my real estate license. I'm not an interior designer. I don't know. Well, one thing is for sure, you're certainly not sounding grateful to for the opportunity. You're sounding like all of a sudden now you're jumping on the bandwagon. Right.

Kelli (05:13.166)
Well let's see.

Kelli (05:26.36)
So I have that too. She sounds like an asshole talking about it. And here's the thing with Jen. Her too. She just wants to be on this show. She is gonna she is gonna follow whichever the way the wind is blowing. And right now the wind is blowing towards Carmela being shady for giving her some kind of opportunity. So she's gonna flow with that way of the wind. And it is very ungrateful.

Lori (05:36.455)
Right. So she'll flippy floppy.

Lori (05:42.365)
The wind is blowing. Yeah.

Lori (05:53.066)
flow with that. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, okay. And then you know, best to say like, I'm not sure, but I'm very excited to see what the opportunity brings, you know? It's

Kelli (05:56.846)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (06:03.894)
Right. Right. I don't have my real estate license. I'm not in construction. So it's pretty amazing that she's gonna give me this opportunity. Let's see what happens.

Lori (06:08.615)
Right. Yeah, that's what I would have been like. Emily goes on about it's putting the car before the horse. in confessionals she says, you know, mixing money and friendship is a recipe for disaster and you should establish the friendship first. I don't know who made her boss, but Tamara says if they says that if she hire what about if she hires you and asks her to pick up her dry cleaning?

Kelli (06:29.975)
I she did.

Lori (06:37.309)
Jen says, okay, for twenty grand a year. but it's not twenty grand a year. It was for the project. So I'm like, my God, you people don't even know what you're doing. and then Jen with the Who Found the Grand Canyon? I was like, Okay.

Kelli (06:43.372)
It's not twenty grand a year.

Kelli (06:48.299)
Exactly.

Lori (06:56.947)
That's like that's like something you say like if you like took a gummy before you left the hotel and now you're like, Hmm I wonder who like found this place in the first place. It's like Okay.

Kelli (07:04.514)
Yeah, for sure.

Kelli (07:09.102)
Could you imagine me taking a gummy and going to the Grand Canyon?

Lori (07:16.755)
I would love to take a gummy and go to the Grand Canyon. I'd be so happy. I'd be so happy I would cry. I would be like Tamra crying at the Grand Canyon. All right. So then they go for the skywalk thing. no, no, no, no. Because I don't exactly have a fear of heights, but things like that I don't like. So I guess I do have a fear of heights because it makes me feel weird.

Kelli (07:19.394)
Yeah, but I would be I would be stupid. Stupid.

Kelli (07:31.672)
Would you do that? Would you go on that glass bridge?

Lori (07:44.219)
I understand why I f maybe it was Gina who said her vagina was gonna fall out. I totally get it. I don't don't I don't like I don't like that like sensation.

Kelli (07:50.498)
Yep, I totally got that reference too. Yep.

Kelli (07:56.929)
I I don't know I feel like if I got all the way there and was supposed to go, I would be I would like force myself to, but I have a very bad fear of heights. So I don't know if I could do it. I would hope that I could. I would never do that damn zip line though.

Lori (07:57.374)
I don't know if I could do

Lori (08:08.627)
Yeah.

Lori (08:15.765)
no, not that one. No. Emily says whose idea was it to take a bunch of accident prone women on the skywalk? Yeah. yeah, Carmel is nervous too. And then you do a champagne toast and they have two options zip lining or a cultural experience. So Shannovicki, Jen, go to the first option, zip lining, right? Yeah, and Emily. And

Kelli (08:24.952)
Great question.

Kelli (08:41.472)
And Emily, yep. Emily, Jen, Vicky, and Shannon. Yeah.

Lori (08:45.511)
Yeah. And then we get our first and I believe only whoop it up.

I was very happy to only get one. And a brilliant Vicky going up seven flights of steps. I don't get it. And then Yeah. Yeah. And then was somebody making puking noises or did somebody actually puke? I couldn't figure that out.

Kelli (09:03.342)
Stick, steck.

Kelli (09:12.204)
No, Vicky does the Vicky does the she does that on purpose. And I'm sorry for anybody at home that it I I know people hear that noise and react to it, so I apologize. Vicky does that. Shtick.

Lori (09:15.587)
no.

Lori (09:23.933)
Yeah, why would you why would you make that noise? That's weird. that's weird. Yeah. So Heather

Kelli (09:31.264)
Instead of Dorinda's clip, I'm just gonna say shtick.

Lori (09:34.772)
Dick, yeah. So Gina, Heather, and Carmela go to the Indian village. Shannon and Vicky chicken out, going on the zip line. Gina, Tamra, Heather and Carmella are at a scenic like view. And Gina and Tamara are talking and Gina says that Tamara's a different person. Tamara says she's trying not to be triggered by things.

And that about things that don't matter and appreciate her friendships. Heather in Confessional says Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kelli (10:05.954)
Yeah. And Heather's like, I love this Tamra, right?

Lori (10:15.481)
and then Emily and Jen are talking about Shannon and the tantrums and then Shannon and Vicky meet up with them and Emily says, We were talking about your tantrums, we feel bad for Jen with the room situation and Shannon says what angered her was Heather picking the room and then directing Shannon where to go.

Kelli (10:40.686)
You know, it's funny because we've seen on other franchises where certain people have to have the best room. They've never made it a thing on OC that Heather has to have the good room. But I believe it. And I think Shannon's being honest when she says that. I bet you Heather is a complete horror when it comes to picking rooms. But for some reason, production is choosing not to show us that. But on other French franchises,

Lori (10:46.247)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (10:53.906)
Uh-huh.

Lori (11:02.993)
I would think so.

Kelli (11:08.824)
They'll show us people being like that. Yeah. I I'm gonna say this about the Jersey girls, and I'm including Teresa in this. The that is one franchise where they don't give a shit. Nobody makes a big deal about rooms. And that's all of them. But yeah, we've seen it on so many other franchises. So why production is choosing to, you know, yeah, to protect Heather, because I'm sure she could be an absolute horror.

Lori (11:09.545)
They'll show it, yeah. It was pretty funny though.

Lori (11:22.237)
Nobody makes a big deal about the room.

Lori (11:31.313)
Not do it on this, yeah.

Mm-hmm. I'm quite certain of that. It was funny how bi Vicky says she peed on the bed.

Kelli (11:43.031)
Yeah. 'Cause she actually Vicki did that one season. She actually peed on Tamra's bed. You know, we're all menopause. It ha you know, w I'm at the point where if I feel the urge, I have to get there immediately. Gotta go.

Lori (11:51.175)
Yes, absolutely it happened.

Lori (11:57.32)
You've gotta go. Gotta go. Yeah. let's see what else. Janet says she thought she was clear about her feelings to Heather at dinner. The other girls say no in confessional. Emily says people avoid a confrontation with Heather.

Kelli (12:16.534)
Always. Always. Because this is what happens. You tell Heather how you feel. If Heather doesn't like what you say, she gets defensive. And then she says, you know, we just need to be able to communicate with each other. Well, that's what they were doing, and you didn't like what they said, so you're getting defensive. When somebody gets so defensive and the other person feels like they can't get their point across, they're just gonna shut down. And this is what Heather wants.

Lori (12:17.881)
Mm. Yeah, you have to have your point.

Lori (12:44.541)
Right. Yeah.

Kelli (12:45.984)
And I'm sure that this is how her marriage goes too.

Lori (12:49.651)
I'm quite certain of that. Yeah, so they're telling her she should say sometimes and Shannon says she's lonely and I don't know what that has to do with the room, but okay. And Shannon is right, Heather won't take any responsibility.

Kelli (12:51.798)
Mm.

Kelli (13:08.362)
No, never, never. She's never wrong. She's never wrong, Heather.

Lori (13:13.629)
Then they go to the casino and they're playing roulette and blackjack and Emily puts her bag down and says, I have thirty five hundred on red. I thought that was funny.

Lori (13:24.641)
Jen asked, and this was shady, shady, shady too. Jen asked Carmella if she had fun today. Jen says, you did? Messy, messy, messy, messy. and Jen says some of the girls in the car today were saying, It's odd you're building a business team before working on a friendship. If I was Carmela, I'd been like, you know girl?

Kelli (13:36.204)
Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (13:53.876)
Can do whatever bullshit you've been doing. I ain't I ain't helping your ass. You're gonna try and drag me like that. Right? You're fired. Absolutely. Right? Yeah.

Kelli (13:56.035)
Yep. You're fired. Yep, you're fired. I think Carmela handled it perfectly. She's like, are we are we just not supporting other women now? Listen, Carmella could be full of shit, but at this point nobody cares because people love Carmella because of the way Vicky's treating her and Emily's saying it, you know.

Lori (14:09.607)
Right, are we just not used to that?

Lori (14:23.004)
Uh-huh.

Kelli (14:25.986)
People are liking Carmella because of how other people are treating her.

Lori (14:29.735)
Right. She should s she said it should be a happy thing, not a contentious thing. And messily messy Emily. You said you would throw Jen twenty grand like so messy. So messy girl.

Kelli (14:46.606)
Yeah, Emily's like, I thought it was weird and Carmel's like, Well, I she said she wanted to try something new, so I wanted to sport her.

Lori (14:52.369)
Right. Right. Yeah. But Emily's the one who asked her, How would you decide what to pay Jen? So and she answered her, but and then you throw that back at her. and Shannon is right that Kamarla is put in a position of defending her kindness and generosity and she doesn't deserve it, and she doesn't.

Kelli (14:58.871)
Yes.

Kelli (15:12.94)
No, she doesn't. And I'm so glad that Shannon stuck up for her. Like I feel like Shannon's finding her voice.

Lori (15:17.837)
yeah. most definitely. And Vicky, it's a lot of red flags. We're just wondering. Carmella says, I have never in my life done something that was nice and had it picked apart to this degree. And in confessional she says, I feel like I'm on the witness stand.

Kelli (15:34.081)
Mm-hmm. This is what I didn't like. Vicky asks her, Do you live in Orange County? Now what what whatever her answer is, because I know you'll get to that, but Heather doesn't have a home in Orange County. So we shouldn't be asking anyone else, do you live in Orange County? Because Heather doesn't. So let's keep that off the table.

Lori (15:35.814)
And

Lori (15:52.913)
It w if they live in Orange Korea,

Lori (16:00.615)
Well, I think that there's I think that Vicky doesn't like the fact that Heather has almost taken her Queen Bee spot. So I think that was a little bit I think that was a little bit of a dig. And Emily was smirking. Emily was smirking. I was like, girl.

Kelli (16:11.672)
You're absolutely right.

Kelli (16:16.056)
Good point.

Kelli (16:20.482)
Yeah, you're right. So maybe it was to call attention to it.

Lori (16:23.401)
Mm. And then Vicky says, You left your kids in San Diego.

Kelli (16:34.968)
Shame on you, Vicky.

Lori (16:36.809)
I was like, wow. And Carmela says that I put my kids first and that's below the belt. And it it it was.

Kelli (16:45.526)
It's below the belt. And Vicki said, Your daughter is one year older than my grandchild, and there's no way my daughter would leave that child. Well, your daughter hasn't seen your son in eight years, and that's weird as fuck. So let's not talk about that, V. Let's not talk about your daughter, Vicky, because the allegations about her husband out there right now are pretty messed up. And we already know she hasn't seen her brother in eight years.

Lori (17:04.071)
Let's not talk about that. Yeah, not a good idea. Or not good. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (17:14.69)
And we're pretty sure that's about her husband. So let's leave Brianna off the table. Cause I don't think her life is picture perfect like you're trying to make it seem.

Lori (17:17.681)
Absolutely. Yeah.

Lori (17:23.581)
No, no. And starts giving her a crap for leaving her fourteen year old. Heather says, We are not doing children. And Vicky says, Don't tell me what to do. Heather tells her to move on. And I think that was really good Heather to do.

Kelli (17:43.596)
I did too. I thought it was great. And I and I think that Vicky can talk a lot of game, but she's gonna back down to Heather too.

Lori (17:45.597)
Right?

Lori (17:53.834)
Absolutely. And then Vicky says at fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, I'm with my kids. Carmel is out one night. What are you acting like?

Kelli (18:05.048)
However, when this show started, her kids weren't that young, but they weren't much older. And Vicky was out whooping it up while Don, you know, helped take care of her kids, and then look what she did to him. So

Lori (18:17.031)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (18:22.181)
Mm-hmm. Like she did. Yeah. Yeah. And Carmela says, I don't need to defend myself as a mom. That's one place in life I'm motherfucking solid. And Vicky in Confessional says, Why is everybody drinking the Carmella Kool Aid? Did she give everybody a vi a vibrator? And then I love Carmella in her confessional. She says, Fuck her and fuck her scooter. I was like

Kelli (18:50.018)
Fuck that bitch and her scooter.

Lori (18:51.655)
Anders get I love it. I love you, Carmella. Yeah, and

Kelli (18:56.034)
Yeah. She's great. She's great. And she does seem like a solid mom. And listen, we're all doing the best we can. No one should ever be judged on the way they parent. We're all doing the best we can.

Lori (19:03.545)
Absolutely.

Lori (19:10.237)
Exactly. Unless you're like abusive. But otherwise we're doing what we can do. All right. Vicky says Carmel is buying her way in. and you know what? Listen, just 'cause you got burnt by your ex boyfriend doesn't mean every new person you meet is a liar. So you're projecting you're just projecting your own bullshit.

Kelli (19:13.474)
Well, obviously, yeah.

Kelli (19:29.09)
This is just how V Vicky just hazes people.

Kelli (19:35.726)
She's a very insecure woman, Vicky. She doesn't handle younger, prettier, smarter, more successful people.

Lori (19:38.197)
Lord.

Lori (19:42.932)
I guess not. she says you know if Carmela wants to be her friend ish, which I thought was just an asshole thing to say. She just needs to be honest about why? What is she dishonest about so far? I don't know what you're talking about. No, I don't think she give a fuck about you.

Kelli (19:59.981)
And by the way, I don't think Carmella wants to be your friend, Vicky.

Kelli (20:06.178)
I think Carmella's all set.

Lori (20:08.423)
Yeah. So then they go on the scavenger hunt and they Heather gives them all show girl names. So Heather High Rollers, Shannon Del Mar, Emily Elektra, and Carmelo Rouge are all on one team and then Tamorties, Vicky Vavoom, Gina Jackpot, and Jen Stardust are on the other. I thought it was cute.

So they have to do five things on the list. so and then one person from the team has to do the zipline. But what is a busker?

Kelli (20:49.559)
A what?

Lori (20:50.469)
A busker. Like I was reading, I wrote down the list of the things that you had to do. So you had to do five things on the list. Be a busker, neon runway, animal encounter, Fremont Sip, I don't know what that was. something you normally wouldn't eat, vintage Vegas, make a stranger laugh, lucky moment, or dance break. So Heather's team does a dance break, the model walk.

Kelli (20:53.586)
yeah, I don't know.

Lori (21:20.537)
Animal Encounter and Shanna makes the girls laugh doing the fist bump. And then Vicki's team does the vintage Vegas with the beads in the hat. Vicki crashes into stuff and breaks stuff in the store and Gina eats yeah. And Gina eats a a chili dog. So to me, they only did two things on the list. Not five. Two.

Kelli (21:37.058)
Dick.

Kelli (21:49.388)
I don't know

Lori (21:51.166)
I'm just saying, since I was taking notes, I was keeping track. And I w I was. I knew the list. They only did two things. And

Kelli (21:54.348)
You were you were really clocked in.

Kelli (22:01.944)
Well, it doesn't seem like anybody became the winner anyway, because they picked the two slowest fucking people to go do the zip line.

Lori (22:08.241)
Right. And then did you see how Vicky went up much sooner than Shannon, but then somehow they ended at the top so they could do their whole screaming shtick.

Kelli (22:13.517)
Yes.

That's what I have written down. Why did Vicky wait for Shannon to go side by side? Of course nobody's gonna win then, you knuckleheads.

Lori (22:23.281)
Stupid. And she was obnoxious with that scooter.

Kelli (22:28.568)
Dick.

Dick.

Lori (22:32.423)
Yeah. And then they take that weird thing back. What was it called?

Kelli (22:37.046)
Okay, but listen, you say weird, but it's called Cartzilla and it really did look like a big giant shopping cart. It was adorable.

Lori (22:43.997)
Yes, shopping cart.

Lori (22:48.551)
Yeah, it was fun. I'd be into that.

Kelli (22:50.442)
I would totally be into that.

Lori (22:52.347)
Yeah. they go back to the hotel, they go to a restaurant and and did you see?

Kelli (23:01.152)
I loved when Carmela called her daughter and her daughter's like, so I think I should come home. I should I think I should get picked up at twelve tomorrow. And she's like, okay, I miss you. Okay. I'm gonna tell you something. I was kind of the same way. And this is the worst thing I was guilty of. And Eric used to get so mad at me. My kids did not miss a lot of school. I never knock on wood. I never had a problem with my kids going to school, except

Lori (23:11.689)
Go to the mall.

Kelli (23:30.648)
From when Tess was in third grade, and that was a whole other thing. But if Tess woke up one morning and was sick, and Joe was like, Can I stay home too? I'd be like, Okay. Like I I just loved having both my kids home. Yes, I always did that. So Eric would call me from work, he'd be like, What's going on? Like, well, Tess didn't feel good, so she's not going. So, and Joe's here. He's like, Why is he home? I'm like, I just like having them both home.

Lori (23:42.86)
hell yeah, 'cause you didn't have to do school for the two of them. Yeah.

Lori (23:53.885)
So Joe stayed on too.

Lori (24:00.339)
Yeah. So when they're at the Yeah. When they're at the restaurant, did you see Carmella goes up to the bar where Vicky and Tamara are? I think Carmella went up to that bar to give Vicky some shit. And then Vicky goes right away, sensed it, and says, goes into this and her this apology was so

Kelli (24:01.559)
So I love that scene with them.

Kelli (24:15.139)
Probably.

Sensed it.

Lori (24:29.251)
Overdone.

It was obnoxious. So she's

Kelli (24:34.38)
Well, here's my thing with the apology. It was overdone. She was so apologetic. I didn't mean to come off so strong. We've both been hurt. Blah blah blah blah. And then in her confessional she's like, I'm being peer pressured by all the girls. So is it disingenuous then?

Lori (24:43.557)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Lori (24:50.021)
That's what I'm saying. So not only did she just Right. So it wasn't just I would have been good with Vicky going up to her just like she started. I owe you a hug and an apology. But she had to keep going. She's been hurt, doesn't trust people. I made you feel horrible. I'm sorry. I'm embarrassed that I made you feel that way. I need to make it up to you.

It's a very detailed apology for someone who's only doing it to make everybody She says I wholeheartedly I came back to my room and I said, what happened to me? Come on, just

Kelli (25:33.365)
exactly. Exactly.

Lori (25:36.222)
Yeah. So then Carmela says Danny really stepped up taking care of the kids and maybe she needs to soften and that infidelity hardens you. Emily says how she talks about how she needs to show more gratitude for her husband and initiate things more. And then Tamra starts talking about her libido and says, you know, put on lingerie. She's just exhausting at her age.

And I'm with you, Tamara, it can be exhausting. It can be exhausting. But Heather I Heather I think is right. you do have to schedule it. And I think she's right.

Kelli (26:08.822)
It can it can be exhausting. It can be exhaust.

Kelli (26:17.898)
So I mean, I feel like they all looked at her like she was crazy. Like I don't think it's like, okay, so we're gonna pencil this in at five thirty PM on s Monday. It's not like that. It's like a it's like you look at each other and you're like, My God, like we we gotta work something out here because it's been blah blah blah, however long.

Lori (26:23.003)
It's not crazy to be like right.

No, but like let's make

Lori (26:34.919)
Right, or right. Right. Or you say to yourself once a month, let's make sure that we just go out to eat the two of us. And then whatever, blah blah blah like you know what I mean? So that that's not crazy.

Kelli (26:45.346)
Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah. So scheduling might not be the right word, but communicating about it and planning, making a plan.

Lori (26:54.245)
Right. But yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, nothing wrong with that. So this was so telling because I don't watch this show and I certainly never watch D Vicki. She says she always initiates and I was like

Okay, I I just clocked you, Vicky. that's ex exactly. Carmela says, she's not great at that. Vicky says, if you're not taking care of your man, somebody else will. She's very insecure. That's a very insecure view of your intimate relationship. It's very insecure.

Kelli (27:15.79)
Yeah, but why? She said why she always initiated.

Kelli (27:35.491)
I totally agree with you because I thought when she said that, I'm like, I don't I don't even know how to feel about that because I've never had that thought in my head. You know, it's ebbs and flows. Sometimes it's a lot of intimacy, sometimes it's not because life gets in the way. But I've never once thought to myself, my God, if I don't, somebody else will. I've never thought that in my relationship with Eric.

Lori (28:00.743)
Right. Somebody else will.

Lori (28:07.025)
No, no, never. So Vicky says she tells Mike to take his pants off. Tamara asks Shannon. Yeah. Tamara asks Shannon, how do you pleasure yourself? You say you haven't had sex in years and I was like And you could tell Shannon was like Yeah, Shannon was just like, Ew, no, I'm not gonna talk about that with you. So funny.

Kelli (28:15.054)
Which is kinda funny.

Kelli (28:21.398)
Ha

Kelli (28:26.12)
And Shannon's like, I'm good. I'm good.

Kelli (28:33.902)
Stink I have the lemon.

Lori (28:36.305)
Yeah, exactly. Heather tells Shannon that she has never been with anyone that deserves her and she's never found the love of her life and she deserves a person to come home to to bitch about them all. And I thought that was nice of Heather. I thought that was very sweet of Heather. And then, you know, Shannon says she does want to date, but it's very scary for her. So

Kelli (28:53.486)
I thought that was very sweet that Heather did that.

Lori (29:04.307)
But then we see next episode how far Vicky's apology went and it wasn't very far. So

Kelli (29:09.804)
Right. Not at all. But honestly, think about poor Sh well so you haven't watched it from the beginning. So poor Shannon had David, her husband, who is the father of her children, who cheated on her.

And turned out to be a complete asshole. And then I don't think there was anybody in between, but and then John Janssen, who started dating Alexis Bellino and then married her. Like she really has been through it and it's all been on camera. That's why when people are like after every season of OC, they're like, Shannon's gone, Shannon's gone, Shannon's fighting for her job. I'm like, why? Like this woman's put everything out there.

Lori (29:35.475)
Right. Yeah.

Lori (29:39.528)
Right.

Kelli (29:51.789)
Like she talks about her daughters and her daughters film with her when they can. She doesn't hide anything about her daughters, but her you know, her daughters are doing their own thing. Like but she's really been through it on this show relationship wise.

Lori (29:51.817)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (30:05.735)
Yeah. So hopefully she does find somebody. That would be nice.

Kelli (30:10.75)
I hope so. I hope so. Cause I I I personally like Shannon. I think that she's very sticky with Vicky. shticky with Vicky.

Lori (30:17.383)
Right. Very good. Very good.

Kelli (30:21.462)
I haven't drank in a week and I'm having wine so it's woo.

Lori (30:23.995)
Not as good as not as good as Housewives of Ocean County. But pretty good. That was great 'cause I didn't even know. I had no clue that I even said. It's great.

Kelli (30:28.411)
No, no, no. That was amazing.

That's so funny. I hope you really did say it and I didn't he over it like hear it wrong. I'm about to listen to this back when I schedule it, so I'll let you know. But one thing I want to bring up is that Gina said to Carmela, I've been through this with this group when I first came on the show. So I think that's very important that Gina said that to her. So Gina should not

Lori (30:40.515)
who knows? Either way, it's that's even funny too.

That's even funny too.

Lori (30:55.151)
yeah. yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Lori (31:01.641)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Kelli (31:04.724)
engage d like Shannon's not engaging in any pile on on Carmella or questioning her motives about helping Jen out as a mom and a female and all the things. And I and I would hope that after Gina making that comment she wouldn't either.

Lori (31:06.075)
in that kind of behavior.

Lori (31:10.343)
Right. Right.

Lori (31:14.739)
Mm-hmm. Yep.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Lori (31:25.521)
No, but who knows with these wackadoos. So that's it. Yeah. And follow, comment if you'd like. If you don't want to, don't. It's all good. It's all good.

Kelli (31:26.562)
Let's say though.

Exactly. All right. Well, thanks for watching and listening.

Kelli (31:41.484)
Right.

We live in a free country.

Lori (31:46.045)
Yes. Yeah.

Kelli (31:48.59)
All right.

Lori (31:50.548)
Bye.