The Valley S3 Reunion Part 3 Thank God Its Over

The Valley Season 3 Reunion Part 3 Thank God Its Over

The final part of The Valley Season 3 reunion dives right back into the never-ending drama surrounding Danny and Nia, beginning with the mystery of what happened at Jasmine’s wedding after-party. Jesse explains that Nia asked him to get Danny upstairs because Danny had been drinking, reigniting the debate over Danny’s behavior and whether he takes enough accountability. Lacy makes the point that Danny should simply admit that he can be a jerk when he drinks rather than blame others, while Danny acknowledges that he has used alcohol to cope with stress and says he is working with someone and attending therapy. Lala, however, continues to insist that Danny’s drinking is a serious problem and goes so far as to say she hopes Nia leaves him, leading Nia and Kristen to push back against what they see as an inappropriate judgment of someone else’s marriage. 

The reunion then moves through a series of unresolved conflicts, including Michelle and Jesse's complicated dynamic as Jesse openly discusses being more affectionate with Lacy than he was with his ex-wife. Janet also explains why she trusted Lala with deeply personal trauma from her childhood, while Kristen and Jasmine finally have an emotional conversation about feeling unheard and misunderstood. Kristen takes accountability for her behavior and Jasmine appreciates that she addressed the issue instead of allowing resentment to build. But before long, the reunion circles right back to drinking, Danny and Nia, and the Mexico drama. The conversation becomes increasingly repetitive as the cast rehashes old arguments about alcohol, social media posts, the cucking comment, and whether Nia was justified in defending Danny. 

And somehow, after nearly three reunion episodes, there is still time for even more drama—including the discussion of Janet throwing a solo cup at Danny, with Andy asking the cast whether Janet crossed a line. The cast also revisits Michelle skipping Jasmine’s wedding, Jesse questioning Michelle about her dating life, and more commentary from Lala that seems to insert her into almost every storyline. Finally, the reunion attempts to end on a positive note: Janet and Jasmine are in a much better place, Jasmine and Michelle are moving forward with plans to find a donor to start a family, and the group celebrates them with champagne and a sweet toast from Jesse. After all the fighting, drinking debates, accusations, and repeated arguments, the season finally comes to an exhausted—but hopeful—end. 

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Transcript

Kelli (00:00.746)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever, I'm Kelly.

Lori (00:03.661)
And I'm Lori.

Kelli (00:05.736)
And tonight we're talking about the Valley season three, reunion, part three. And thank you, Jesus. It is over.

I, other than the last season of Real Housewives of New Jersey, have not wished a season away like I have with this one.

Lori (00:24.428)
I haven't well, I'm I'm not some seasoned housewife watcher. But I thought that was the most horrible reunion. I thought Andy was absolutely horrid and I was like, Okay, now I know I don't like reality T V now I know.

Kelli (00:46.226)
Sorry, and and we're j we're just gonna jump to this because it's absolute garbage bullshit. How many people here thought Janet was wrong for throwing the solo cup? Everybody should have had their fucking hands up, including Janet. Janet, you were wrong. You threw an an item at someone's head. I don't care who it was, what he's done.

Lori (01:00.384)
Yeah, it's never a good idea.

Kelli (01:12.416)
He didn't do anything to you to warrant that behavior and Andy Cohen epic failure for not holding her feet to the fire for that. Ba you know, compared to how he was treating Danny. Listen, I'm just gonna say no, I'm not gonna say it. I'm not gonna say it. There's a reason Andy Cohen doesn't like Danny and Nia though. There's a reason. So you guys can all read into that how you want to.

Lori (01:31.086)
Absolutely. Come on now. And you know, I didn't take I didn't take a lot of notes 'cause I I just I was just so stupefied watching it that I just but what I did write down is

How can these per people work together? They truly do not like each other. Like seriously do not like each other. And and and it's because things have been allowed. Yeah. It's one couch and it already is. Right. One couch and one couch. Right, one couch and one couch.

Kelli (01:57.228)
Totally agree.

Right. It's going to turn into a team thing. Exactly. It's going to turn into a team thing just like Rehausoise of New Jersey did. Teresa versus Melissa. Yep. It's already there. It's ridiculous. You brought Lala in because here's the thing people Janet thinks that Janet and Jason seem to think that the viewers don't like Janet because she's

said things about Danny and Nia and and the viewers love Danny and Nia. I'll be honest with you, I see mixed emotion towards Danny and Nia on social media. I don't think everybody loves Danny and Nia. I happen to think that Danny is a a nice, decent person. He should not drink. He has a very unhealthy relationship with alcohol. He should not drink. For the s you know, but but as far as them as a married couple

They're Christians and they believe a certain way. And Nia is okay with working on things with Danny when things like that happen. I respect that. But I see a lot of negative things on social media about Nia and Danny. So I don't think the viewers dislike Janet. Viewers dislike Janet from season one and and the whole Danny and Nia thing hadn't even come up yet. Janet is an unlikable person.

on reality tv

Lori (03:27.053)
Well the th right, and the thing is what people don't like is a pylon.

That's that's that's vital like.

Kelli (03:36.777)
Right. So now they bring in La La to kinda, you know, drive the nail in farther and she did the polar opposite.

Lori (03:41.525)
And she gave no story.

She had no story. She had no story. And I and I'm watching it and I'm thinking to Andy, okay, Andy, is this who's running this reunion here? Because you certainly never said, you know what, Lala, just pipe down for a second and and let somebody else get a full answer out.

Kelli (03:48.331)
She had no story.

Kelli (03:57.173)
That's right.

Kelli (04:07.167)
Yep. Nope. Never. Not now.

Lori (04:08.807)
And the the biggest thing of this reunion is that on Bravo Andy asks Danny Were you drinking at Jasmine's wedding? And he says no. You watch it on Peacock, he says yes. Yes I was. And on Bravo, he's they put in that he's they said no.

Kelli (04:31.841)
yeah, 'cause I watched it on Peacock.

Kelli (04:39.019)
yeah, because I thought he did I thought he did say yes he was drinking at the wedding. Yeah. Well, let's get into it. So what happened at Jasmine's wedding? The big cliffhanger from reunion part two. Nothing. Brittany says, I didn't see anything, but Zach told me something happened at the wedding and Jesse was gonna bring it up. Nothing happened. Schwartz says it was at the after party. And Zach says, I heard Nia told Jesse.

Lori (04:40.158)
yeah.

Kelli (05:07.125)
Don't tell Danny there's an after party. Nia says, I said Daniel and I are staying at the hotel. So please don't encourage him to come to the after party. When there's an open bar from five to six hours for a wedding, why do we even need an after party? I know this is a new thing for the youngins. I have yet to attend any afterty.

Lori (05:27.327)
No, it's crazy.

I'm tired thinking. I'm tired of thinking about it.

Kelli (05:33.687)
We I mean, listen, we're always invited to the after party because if you're invited to the wedding, you're invited to the after party. You know Eric. Eric's never going to an after party. Eric doesn't even want to go to the initial party. Never mind an after party. I'm I'm not saying he doesn't want to go to our nieces and nephews' weddings. Of course he does. and my stepbrothers, but an i after party, those two words do not go together for my husband. So Jesse says Nia called him and asked him to bring Danny up to the room.

Lori (05:41.173)
No. Right. Right. Yeah.

Lori (05:55.083)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (06:02.09)
So he went downstairs and that he had no shoes on, a tank top, and he was watching the game having a drink. He wasn't super receptive to Jesse asking him to leave. Now, so here's the thing. Nia and Danny leave the wedding. Clearly, so did Jesse and Lacey. Or maybe Jesse and Lacey went to the after party and we're back at the hotel by now. Either way, Nia's up in the room, probably with the baby, because that's what she does.

Danny's downstairs at the hotel bar. Jesse goes down to get him. Danny doesn't wanna leave. This is what happens when you drink. I'm the same way.

Lori (06:39.895)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (06:43.54)
He wasn't super receptive, but Jesse says I pulled him out of situations before, and this is agreement Danny and I made with each other at the beginning of season two. When I see him going a little too heavy with the drinking, I try to rein it in. When he sees me getting triggered by Michelle, he tries to rein me in. I think that that's a very nice friendship right there. You always have somebody looking after you, and it doesn't have to be your significant other.

Lori (07:07.358)
Kelli (07:14.59)
So nothing happened at Jasmine's wedding. So Brittany, shut the fuck up. Because you didn't see it, you didn't know, so you shouldn't have said anything.

Lori (07:26.785)
Well, the biggest thing is

Okay, so yeah, it's all about Danny's drinking, but what's he doing? He said I lo I watched it back, I was appalled at myself, I'm getting help, we're blah blah blah. I have someone helping me with it. I admit, blah blah blah, blah blah blah. Okay, so there you go.

Kelli (07:52.607)
It's so interesting to me how people are reacting to Danny. The same people who didn't react to Ja I always knew Jax was a piece of shit. The same people who don't didn't react to Jax. Meanwhile, he's physically abusing his wife, Jax. And everybody on this cast was hiding that, including Brittany.

Lori (08:09.707)
Now I wanna ask

Lori (08:15.743)
Right. And I was so I wanna ask if if Janet was so triggered by Danny, how come she wasn't triggered by Zach?

Kelli (08:29.088)
I said the same thing and viewers and comments on our posts. It's the magic question because she's full of shit, basically. I gotta stop cursing so much. So at this point, Lacey breaks it down perfectly. She kind of stops Jesse and she says, Listen, I think what the ladies are looking for is accountability. She basically tells Danny, instead of making excuses, just say I act like a jerk when I drink too much.

The accountability will go farther than the projecting. And listen, like her or not.

Lori (09:00.789)
Right. And he does he did he did make excuses. He did. But that's what alcoholics do. He's early in his journey. He's not where you are, Lala. So why would you expect him to be?

Kelli (09:05.856)
He

Kelli (09:12.336)
I agree. I he was definitely making excuses. It's not a good look. I personally believe that Danny will at some point stop drinking altogether. It's probably gonna take him a while. And hopefully, listen, hopefully their marriage does survive it. I don't think it makes him a monster though. There are I know a lot of people who have substance use issues. I've I love them no matter what. Like it's a problem.

And I and I'm not saying Danny's fully there. I'm just saying having any kind of unhealthy relationship with any substance doesn't make you a monster or a horrible person. If he could wake up the next morning and look at his wife and feel bad and apologize, that's up to her to accept it or not. It's not up to us to judge her accepting it or not. And it's certainly not up to Lala who wouldn't know.

Lori (10:06.359)
Right.

Kelli (10:07.648)
Who's never had a a normal relationship with a man, and I feel bad for her for that, but that's not Danny and Nia's fault.

Lori (10:12.651)
Right. Right.

And you know, Janet said, makes my hair stand up in the back of my neck. Well, if someone was gonna i I don't I mean, I'd say Danny's like a goofbull, he's a little handsy, he can be like a dick sometimes, he drinks a lot, but unless there's things that I don't see on the TV, he doesn't give me that kind of creep factor and

I'm not saying whether Janet's experience was real or not, but I will say that when you do have that kind of experience, you your creep monitor goes off quickly. There's a lot of antennae out there and you'll you know but I feel like with Danny it's her thing with Danny is misplaced. So I'm not saying what happened to her didn't happen to her, but

I thi I feel like it's just misplaced. Like it's

Kelli (11:21.184)
Yeah. And and again it it makes you wonder why Danny makes the hair on the back of her neck stand up, but Jax didn't.

Lori (11:31.736)
That's what I'm saying. But so but I'm saying it's especially if her what she says is true, I think that she's just for some reason Danny was a trigger, but it has nothing to do with Danny. Like maybe she's at some point where just things are coming to a head for her, whatever, and he's just the

Kelli (11:33.726)
It it makes you wonder.

Lori (12:01.417)
unfortunate person that does one or two things that

Just make her s spiral. I I don't know.

Kelli (12:09.846)
Right. Well, Zack says a big part of the reason we can't move on is because there's the thing that happened last year, and I'm assuming he's talking about Janet saying that Danny was you know, Danny essayed Jasmine, and then a bunch of other things, and he's trying to explain himself without saying the thing. And Lala's like, You're speaking in code. And she says it's a red flag that Nia would tell Jesse.

Not to text Danny to invite him to the after party, first of all. And Kristen's like, I would tell somebody, don't you dare tell Luke about. Listen, again, I I know a lot of people who have been in relationships where, you know, if their partner has one too many, they might not be the ideal person to be around. And you want to get them out of that situation.

As discreetly as possible. And again, it doesn't make this person a monster. It means they drank too much. And as their partner, you're trying to avoid this turning into something worse. Now, I understand Lala saying it's a red flag, but I don't I don't think you wish a marriage to end over something like this. I don't think you say to that person, I want you to take your babies and leave him.

Lori (13:11.629)
Mm.

Kelli (13:40.499)
Lala might be very comfortable being alone with her children. I mean, for her second child, she went and got a a sperm donor because she doesn't want to co parent with somebody. I I under I get it. I get it. Because I told you her Randall is, you know, a Harvey Weinstein 2.0. So anyway, Kristen tries to step in and Andy shuts her down. So it's very clear that Andy is.

Fully on board with the Danny Nia takedown.

Lori (14:13.891)
clear as day.

Kelli (14:15.232)
Yeah. And Nea basically says we're a married couple. And if I want my husband to stay back at the hotel with me, well. And she's absolutely right. And listen, she did say Danny and I were were gonna spend the night at the hotel. It doesn't mean she told him don't go down to the hotel bar. Like she she wanted to go back to the room. So if having Danny there and having him downstairs at the hotel bar as opposed to wherever the after party was

If that made her feel more comfortable, okay. And guess what? That's what Danny did.

Danny of course knew there was an after party. If you get the wedding invitation, you get the invitation to the after party. Everybody has a fucking website for their for their wedding now. With all the details on it.

Lori (15:00.631)
Right with all their stuff. Right. Right. And did you catch that Lacey did the hand thing again?

Kelli (15:08.896)
No, again?

Lori (15:10.285)
Again.

Kelli (15:13.248)
What's with her?

Lori (15:14.431)
I don't know. She takes his hand, she puts it where she wants it, she moves it around. And it's gonna get it. It's just funny.

Kelli (15:24.9)
Andy asks Danny if anyone there owes him an apology. And Nia immediately says no. And he says, I'm sorry, but yes, Janet. And Nia says, you know it's never gonna happen, so forget it. Danny says Jason even pulled him aside in San Diego and said, I owe you an apology and we'll do it on camera, which I find very interesting that Jason said that. Because and did and Jason didn't deny it, so he definitely said it.

Jason come tries to come off as this guy who doesn't care about being on the show, right? He's just there to support his wife. Meanwhile, he's the one that said, I owe you an apology and I'll do it on camera. But then Jason says, Well, later that night, you're being a drunk idiot at the table. And they flash back to Danny being a drunk idiot. So Jason changed his mind. Good for Jason. That's fine. Good for Jason.

Lori (16:12.685)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (16:17.301)
Right.

Kelli (16:22.07)
Danny said four people in Mexico said Janet needs to apologize. And Jasmine says, yeah, we did tell Janet to apologize, and she didn't. I mean, listen, you could say whatever you want about Danny, but the facts are the facts. He did not essay Jasmine. He didn't. And even Jasmine came out and said he didn't.

Lori (16:40.104)
d didn't he have his pants pulled down by somebody?

Kelli (16:43.882)
The first season, Jax came up behind him and pulled his pants down. Jesse the first season went up and like did like a purple nurple thing to Janet. These people are very handsy with each other. And these people drink with each other constantly and excessively. So again, if Danny's drunk behavior bothers you, probably don't be around him when you're drinking.

Lori (16:54.443)
I guess so.

Lori (16:59.445)
The whole show. Right.

Lori (17:08.993)
Right. And I saw Andy brought up a thing with Zack and the thing where he hit his head but he kept drinking. But like, how come nobody's talking about at the reunion Brittany after surgery when you're really not supposed to drink, getting all twisted? Like what why isn't that

Kelli (17:27.22)
I'm sorry, but we're not gonna we're not gonna question Britney about going to Mexico with drains. You're not supposed to leave your house with drains. And we're not gonna question Brittany for drinking to the point where she couldn't wake up the next day and fell asleep without her thing on. And her friends are like, Well, we tried to put it on you, but you know, basically you were too wasted and we couldn't. And

Lori (17:35.063)
Right.

Right, absolutely.

Lori (17:50.935)
Right.

Kelli (17:55.297)
The reason you're still in bed is because you're hungover. Like, we're not gonna question Britney at all about any of this. Here's my thing though. I think Bravo has protected Jax so much for his behavior over the years, they are gonna kiss Britney's ass and do whatever they can because honestly, she could probably file a lawsuit against them.

So they're not gonna push Britney on anything.

Kelli (18:29.494)
So Brittany says Nia and Danny are nowhere near me and Jax, and I'm not comparing Danny to Jax, but I understand why Nia is so protective. Okay, so then so then back off, Brittany. Nia says it's hard to react to that. I love my husband and he does drink too much sometimes, but he is an amazing man and I try to always be there for him.

She said we've been together for 13 years and the day to day at home, it's not like that. And I bel I believe her. Like people are acting like Danny is is is like Jack's.

Lori (19:11.137)
Right, like abusive to her all the time, drinking and hiding alcohol all the time. Right. Like that's how she lives her you know, every week this is

Kelli (19:13.29)
Yes.

Right.

Kelli (19:21.044)
And I just I just don't believe it. Danny admits he uses alcohol to cope with stress. Andy asks him what his regrets were for the season. And he says obviously the times he mistreated Nia and she is the love of his life. Andy asks, why do you continue drinking if these are consistent moments? And Danny says it's not consistent. He says he has been working with someone who is helk helping him work on that. Now here's the thing.

We are seeing it as consistent moments.

Lori (19:52.139)
Absolutely. Because it's that's what they show on the TV show.

Kelli (19:54.223)
That's what production's choosing to show. I'm I I I I you know, this is what production is choosing to do. The producer of this show, I I don't even like saying his name, Alex Baskin. you know, he's very friendly with Jax. So you know, it's not Jax's fault, all this stuff. Like I know Danny, you know, does try to blame him again. Danny does blame for sure and should stop, but.

Lori (20:23.149)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Kelli (20:27.55)
Andy asks if there's anything Danny thinks he's being held to the fire unfairly about. And he says the drinking. He says Jax put a target on his back and called other cast members on the season to carry out the narrative. I personally believe that. But of course, Lala says, when I sit here and listen to you at this moment, you continue to blame other people for your drinking. And this is a real fucking problem. And it's not Jax's fault. And you know what? Listen, I she's 100% right.

Lori (20:52.599)
She's su she's right. One thing she's one thing she's right about there.

Kelli (20:57.128)
She is. Danny says, Lala, I hear you, and it's something I'm taking accountability for and I'm in therapy for. And then Andy brings up Lala saying she hopes Nia leaves Danny. And Lala says, I can't control the audience when Danny says you're what you've done, what you said incited a lot of hate towards her. And it did. Nia says, I think it's very sad that anyone would wish that. And of course, Lala cuts her off and says, if we

If what we watch is a glimpse of what is really going on, then yes, I would wish you were with someone that babies you. Is is that what we want? Someone who babies us?

Lori (21:37.847)
Well, she's saying that because everybody thinks that Nia baby's Danny. That's why she's saying that. That's why she's that's why she's saying that.

Kelli (21:42.189)
okay. I'm like, I don't want anybody to baby me. Okay. and someone who loves you and takes your and takes your baby and take your babies and go live a good life. So because Danny drinks too much sometimes, we're just hoping that

Lori (22:01.57)
Yes, yes.

That Nia should just Danny and Nia should get separated, Danny should move out and you know, then Nia can struggle at home with the four kids herself. And okay, I don't okay. Yeah.

Kelli (22:14.582)
That's right. That's right. Got it. Got it. Kristen says, You've gone too far, Lala. And Nia says, This is not every day and you don't know because you don't know my life. And Lala says, I'm sorry, I don't know your home life. I only know what I watched on T V. Well, me you know, Lala, you've been on reality T V a long time, so you you you know that this is, you know.

Lori (22:39.859)
Long enough to know that that's not

Kelli (22:45.792)
What they, you know, what they want us to see. Andy brings up Mexico and Zach hitting his head on the traffic light. And Zach says, I was not letting that ruin my night. Now, had that been Danny, we wouldn't we would not be laughing this off. Like, Zach didn't want a concussion to ruin his night. So we went and got sewed up and went and and went and started drinking again at the club. I don't think we'd be so flamboy you know.

Lori (23:12.257)
Right. a Andy Andy actually Andy actually congratulated him on that. I was like, o okay.

Kelli (23:16.076)
Flippant.

Kelli (23:21.642)
Yeah. Andy you can always tell who Andy whose side Andy's on. He's not very good at, you know, hiding that. Which I mean listen, he's the boss, so he could do whatever the fuck he wants.

Lori (23:32.449)
Right. And he himself has put his ass on television all whacked up too. So

Kelli (23:39.774)
And by the way, I have on very good sources. Not now because he's in a committed relationship, but prior to that, Andy was well known in the

Wii Ho community, the West Hollywood community, gay community.

Well known. So thankfully, at this point, we're moving back on to Michelle and Jesse. I've never it's so funny that somebody wrote that ninety percent of the reunion was about Danny's drinking, so he must have a problem. And I was like, actually ninety percent of the reunion we talked about Michelle and Jesse. Right? We talked about Michelle and Jesse way more than we talked about Danny, I felt like.

Lori (24:25.633)
There was a lot of them too.

Kelli (24:32.086)
So Michelle So Andy brings up how Michelle asked Jesse to be mindful about the PDA with Lacey. And she says she asked him for years to be affectionate and he told her he couldn't. Like it just wasn't in him. Jesse says he's more affectionate with Lacey and Lacey says she wants to validate Michelle's feelings, but we are not like Aaron was last year.

So last year when Michelle's boyfriend was on, they were on a trip. And I do remember him saying something like cringy, but I think she said, he said to her, like, I want to love your body or something like that. I do remember him. He was he was pretty cringy, that guy. He really was. and Michelle says affection wasn't Jesse's problem with her. So it's okay. So basically, Michelle's saying

Lori (25:07.01)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (25:11.158)
Right, right.

Kelli (25:27.206)
I had a problem with Jesse's lack of affection towards me. Jesse didn't have an a problem with my lack of affection towards him. So it's okay that Aaron acted like that with Michelle. It's okay that Michelle and Aaron were affectionate with each other because Jesse didn't care about that in their marriage. Michelle did, so therefore Jesse and Lacey shouldn't be affectionate. Listen, again, this is a very strange dynamic that they have to film with each other and be on this show together.

Lori (25:56.632)
Well, even even Lacey said y this is where you're like highly annoying the two of you, you're tit for tat bullshit.

Kelli (25:56.661)
So I don't

Kelli (26:02.72)
Yes, yes. Like I I get like I don't I don't wanna ever see anybody get divorced. I don't I I I mean obviously unless there's infidelity or abuse or something like that. But I certainly don't wanna see it play out on T V right in front of my eyes because I it makes me sad. Yeah.

Lori (26:20.385)
Comfortable. Yeah, it makes me uncomfortable. I don't like go I don't want to watch that.

Kelli (26:24.788)
wanna know what's going on in people's marriages.

Kelli (26:30.954)
And now we're gonna know everything, because now they're getting divorced and they don't give a shit. Jesse said Michelle needs had said that Michelle needed to toughen the F up. And Lacey says he shouldn't have said that. and that they are low-key, super annoying with each other, and she's right. Jesse says he doesn't want to separate his feelings for his girlfriend because of because his ex-wife is there. anyway. So now Andy asks Janet.

why she shared with Lala her personal trauma and she says Lala is one of my best friends and we've gotten especially close over the past few years. Now meanwhile Janet's talking very low and she's you know, she's being very dramatic and

Lori (27:12.043)
Yeah, she's sh yeah.

With the eyes down and the whole thing.

Kelli (27:17.792)
Yeah. We're especially close over the past few years and she holds me accountable. And it was a piece of my story she was missing. I needed to know to continue to be a good friend. I feel like Janet's always reading from a script.

Kelli (27:35.433)
Andy says he's very sorry that that happened to her. And he asks her how that experience has shaped how she moves in this group. She says she was 12 years old when it happened. Now I'm just gonna say this, and I could be wrong. I could swear when she first said it, she said it happened in high school. But I do, I really, as I was watching it, I'm like, I thought she said it happened in high school. But other people online are saying they thought she said it happened in college. I would imagine that.

at this point by now, if she had said something different, we would have seen her saying something different. So I'm just gonna say whatever she's saying, I'm you know, maybe maybe she's being truthful. it was before she had any experience with boys and men. She says she has had a lot of negative experience with men in her life and her dad was an addict. All the therapy in the world doesn't change the hair on the back of her neck standing up when she feels that something isn't right.

Lori (28:10.507)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (28:34.474)
And there are things that happen in this group to make her feel unsafe. So Danny made you feel unsafe, but Jan Jack's throwing his wife into a bush, probably high on cocaine, doesn't make the hair on the back of your neck stand up. Okay.

Lori (28:53.473)
That's why I'm saying I think that maybe her s may you know if all that she says is true, then maybe I think that's how messed up that she is, is that it's just festering and coming out and it could have been anybody in the group doing one little thing or two little things that set her mind racing to

Then it was more than it wa you know what I mean? Like I think it's not that I'm saying he's not fucked up because he is, but I think she's way more fucked.

Kelli (29:36.983)
So Andy says to Nia, I assume you didn't know this happened to Janet before watching the show. And Nia says it opens up a lot of awareness and it's heartbreaking. And I wouldn't wish that on anyone and I'm sorry that happened to you. Nia says she works with women who are victims to this type of thing and it's heartbreaking. Andy says Kristen and Jesse were questioning the timing of her bringing this up.

And it wasn't just Kristen and Jesse questioning the timing. Let's just put that. and Janet says, Well, I expected that, but I actually expected worse. Well, that's an interesting response. Kristen's like, I had no idea what we were talking about. And all I knew was that there was a trauma, but not what it was. Kristen says, You know what happened to me. And of course, I believe you, but it's not my business to ask. Andy says, She was.

Andy asks Jasmine why she thinks Kristen valid this is something else. Okay. Andy asks Jasmine why she thinks Kristen validates Lala's opinion over hers. And Jasmine says she was blown away when she saw Kristen's reaction. Kristen starts to cry and says, Jasmine didn't want to get vulnerable and kept saying you're one of my best friends. And Kristen said her anger towards Janet.

overpowered hearing jasmine. So listen, I think I think Kristen did a lot of apologizing this this reunion.

Lori (31:14.231)
Well you what it was it was kinda weird 'cause there were a couple of times when she was just totally like, Yeah, I like I said that and or I lied and I don't even know why I did it and blah da I was just like, Okay.

Kelli (31:30.324)
And I honestly think all of that comes from her anger towards Janet because she knows what Janet was doing. She knows that Janet was targeting Danny over and over and over and over again. And then you're watching Britney and you're all the while knowing that they all started season two out by trying to target these people. And they're still doing it.

Lori (31:43.446)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (31:59.041)
So I think that that's why Kristen was so angry. Like, what are we doing? Like, what are you doing? Leave these fucking people alone. And I I personally think that's where it came from. Jasmine is saying it took a white girl to come in to hear triggers regarding Nia and Danny. Kristen took accountability. She thanked Jasmine for addressing it with her over lunch and not burying it and holding on to resentment.

Lori (32:03.541)
Right.

Kelli (32:28.234)
So this is what we like to see, right? Conflict and resolution. I am just gonna say this though. I like seeing Jasmine in a good place with everybody, but Jasmine flip-flops. La La does not flip-flops.

She just doesn't. I don't think her motives are always genuine. I think that she's projecting a lot with this Danny thing because of her own past relationships. So I don't think she's always thinking clearly, Lala, but she doesn't flip-flop. And Jasmine does. So I

Lori (32:53.015)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Lori (33:03.659)
Right. I do see a lot of projecting from the two of them, from Lala and from Janet.

Kelli (33:09.28)
For sure.

Kelli (33:13.74)
So now we're bring we're now we're back at Mexico and we're back to talking about the drinking. And Andy brings up Kristen throwing Britney, Jasmine and Zach under the bus for drinking too much. She says she was

Lori (33:24.907)
Well, sh I don't think she should have apologized for that. I don't understand why she did.

Kelli (33:27.852)
I don't think she should have either. I don't think she should have either. Especially because Kristen has had horrible scenes on VPR of her drunk. Like she she has done it in the past. She is guilty of it too. So why can't you call out someone's behavior? Brittany is a sloppy drunk. Zach is a clumsy drunk. And Jasmine is a

Lori (33:49.399)
Yeah, but why not Right.

Kelli (33:57.325)
I don't want to use the word. I wanna snu it's not she's confrontational. Confrontational drunk. Like these are these are your I I can be all three of those things by the way. So

Lori (34:10.379)
Right, right. Yeah, but I don't I couldn't understand why she was apologizing. I was like, What is going on?

Kelli (34:18.612)
I I don't know because she was absolutely right.

Lori (34:22.837)
Yeah. I mean again, why is nobody bringing up other people's bad drunk behavior?

Kelli (34:32.158)
Again, Britney going to Mexico with the drains on her tits still. That's fucking that's crazy.

Lori (34:37.249)
Right. What are you doing?

Lori (34:41.483)
Yeah. You you must really like to drink.

Kelli (34:44.69)
I know multiple people who have had breast surgery with drains. They don't leave their house. Never mind go on a drinking vacation in Mexico. In Mexico.

Lori (34:48.361)
No, and it's no joke. It's no joke. Right. You let that shit heal up.

Lori (34:57.228)
Right.

Kelli (35:01.353)
so Kristen starts to cry. She says she texts them separately, said she doesn't feel that way about any of them. Yes she but yes you do. But yes you do. Well.

Lori (35:09.825)
Right.

Kelli (35:15.52)
Brittany brings up Big Bear when Jax was saying she drank too much. listen, I d I didn't agree with that. Like Jax was a dick in that scene, obviously. He was trying to make it look like Britney was drunk. Meanwhile, he's the Coke head. It it was horrible. But that doesn't take away from the fact that we did see you hungover this season. So why are you hiding it? You're hiding your drinking and you're hiding your hangover. You're doing this very same thing that everybody's accusing Danny of.

Kelli (35:48.301)
Andy asks Kristen if she could see why Luke felt pushed away. She says yes, and she had a lot of pent-up emotion from her pregnancy. Andy asks Schwartz if Kristen's relationship with Luke reminds him of her past relationships, and he says he feels like she brings past trauma into this relationship. But we all do, we all do, and she called him out for he called her out for self sabotaging and he apologizes and he says he shouldn't have said that. I love Schwartz.

Andy asks if she worries if Luke will leave her.

Lori (36:21.047)
But she but she actually did kind of admit that she she kinda does do some self sabotaging. So again

I don't know why he apologized, 'cause it was it was like, Okay. It's like, All right.

Kelli (36:32.82)
Yeah. I it's fucking people, man.

Lori (36:41.517)
Don't know what I'm watching, but okay.

Kelli (36:44.904)
Andy asks Kristen if she worries if Luke will leave her and Luke says she has brought that up since they started dating and it's her PTSD from her prior relationships. Listen, we all have our shit. Andy says to Janet, You were insulted by posts that Danny has liked. Like didn't we go over this already?

Lori (37:01.867)
Yeah we

Kelli (37:03.68)
He brings up the one with the cucking and has Danny liked any other posts and she says she doesn't know because they're blocked. Great. Perfect. Now Andy says to Danny, you said to Nia she didn't have your back. How would you have wanted her to act?

And then they get into the cucking conversation again. Lala says Nia was scared of what Danny would say when she blocked Lala from her. And Nia says she doesn't like the heightened effect of the conversations. And Danny says it was like the third time she approached them that night. And Brittany says, I have to say, I watched it. And Danny, you started it. At this point.

Lori (37:44.365)
But then production shows that that Lala comes over to the table and sits down. She didn't come get her bag. She just sat down.

Kelli (37:49.494)
Like these d first of all, we all know Britney's not the sharpest fool in the shed. Like these idiots don't realize that there's video.

Lori (37:57.73)
Right, and production's gonna pull it.

Kelli (37:59.927)
Danny didn't start anything. I I ca I want to turn the TV off, but I'm like, all right, I only have 15 minutes left, so let me just power through.

Kelli (38:10.804)
If the save cast comes back next year though, I don't think I can watch this. I don't think I could watch it.

Lori (38:16.405)
I'm tell right now, I ain't watching.

Kelli (38:18.892)
So then they start rehashing the Mexico scene and I kind of zone out because I'm done. Then Lala, this is when I perked back up. Lala says, Danny, I didn't come for you in any sense of the word. I just wanted to have conversations. And he heightened the situations. She's out of her effin mind. She came for him every chance she got.

Kelli (38:48.424)
Every chance she got. I mean, I can't believe she even said those words. And meanwhile, all I'm thinking, then it clicks. I'm like, we only have 15 minutes left of this show and nobody has brought up the solo cup being thrown at Danny's head yet. And I'm thinking in my head, if this doesn't come up, I am gonna have a very strongly worded message for Andy Cohen.

Lori (38:53.965)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (39:12.533)
Right, right. But now can you imagine if Danny threw it at her?

Kelli (39:19.084)
my god, this is what I'm saying. This is what I'm saying. It it's it's

Lori (39:24.065)
What if meant what if Danny said to Nia?

You know, I think Luke's really hot. I think he would just be my hall pass.

Kelli (39:34.463)
Exactly. Exactly. We're not making a big deal about Janet over sexualizing Michelle every chance she gets. Completely inappropriate. If someone did that to me, a friend, female or male, it would make me feel extremely uncomfortable. It would not make me feel if this were like a true friend, if you were like.

Lori (39:36.929)
What how?

Lori (39:54.726)
trouble.

What if What if I came over and all the time said, Damn, Cal, those booze getting you know, looking large in that shirt. Looking curvy, girl.

Kelli (40:04.542)
Exactly. Exactly. It would make me feel very uncomfortable because you are my good friend. And listen, I'm not offended by anything. It wouldn't offend me. It would just make me feel very uncomfortable. You're my good friend. We travel together. We do you know, we do a lot of things together. It would make me very uncomfortable. But nobody's saying anything about that. It this is wild to me.

Lori (40:11.403)
Right. Right. And now I'm focusing on your boobs. Right.

Uncomfortable. Right. Right. Right. Right.

Kelli (40:34.816)
Because he's a man, he's just a piece of shit. This is where we're at on this show.

Lori (40:42.017)
Well, it's just sad because like I said, there's a lot of projection from Lala and from Janet. It's and that's sa and I feel bad for both of them that they're at at that point in their life where whatever has happened to them has happened to them, that they're at that point.

Kelli (40:47.744)
Yeah.

Lori (41:02.999)
With

Kelli (41:05.334)
Like their therapy is not helping.

Lori (41:05.451)
The other sex. obviously not.

Kelli (41:12.15)
So Andy asks Jasmine and Michelle if they're okay. And Michelle's like, Well, I don't know. I get mixed reactions. And then Zach brings up that Michelle didn't go to the wedding. And I told you Michelle was in New York City and Jasmine got married in North Jersey. So that like Michelle was in New York City that weekend. So it is kind of weird that she didn't go to the wedding. But she said, I she said to Jasmine, I get the feeling that you don't like me. So why would I go to your wedding? Like this is the most beautiful day of your life. And she's right. I mean, she's right.

Lori (41:27.297)
Right, right.

Lori (41:39.445)
Right, right. Right, absolutely.

Kelli (41:42.605)
Andy calls Jesse out for the way he approached Michelle about dating the comedian. That was like way out of left field in the last episode. and he said he and Jasmine had a longer conversation about Isabella, solely based on Isabella that we didn't get to see. and then Jesse said that Isabella had told him that Max bought her a smoothie. So he was kind that's why he was calling BS on Michelle's story that.

Isabella only met the gentleman at a showing, a real estate showing. And of course La La s has to insert herself here and say,

Kelli (42:24.138)
They're t they were talking about Aaron. 'cause then he br you know, he brings up Aaron and how close Isabella was with Aaron and they Michelle and Isabella, I believe, lived in Aaron's house for a while and then he kicked them out, yeah. So then we move on to the comment that Kristen said Nia guilt trips Zach.

Lori (42:36.555)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kelli (42:47.838)
And then Andy asks Danny if that was the first time he has ever had a drink thrown at him at Britney's party, and he says yes. And then Andy asks the most ridiculous question in the world. Who here thinks Janet crossed the line by throwing the drink on Danny? By the way, if you don't think she crossed a line, you shouldn't be so offended by some of the things Danny's getting dragged for.

If you think throwing wine on someone and a solo cup at their head, I know a solo cup doesn't fucking hurt. I know that. But it's a such a level of disrespect. If you think that's okay behavior, you should not be offended by half the shit Danny has done. Right?

Lori (43:31.885)
There you go. Right.

Kelli (43:36.947)
so the only two people who don't raise their hand are Janet, Jason, and Brittany. And Janet says, I wish I didn't do it because he was already making a fool out of himself. No, he wasn't. You did it because he wasn't making a fool out of himself. You did it because you wanted to trigger him. You wanted to get him riled up. You wanted him to do something inappropriate or say something inappropriate. And guess what? He didn't do it.

Lori (44:01.655)
Well that's why you went in the room. He was laying down, why'd you go in?

Kelli (44:03.722)
Yep. Yep.

Yep. And he did it. He didn't react to you at all. And that frustrated you. And that's why you threw the cup because you figured this'll get it. This'll get the reaction.

Kelli (44:19.168)
Danny admits he was drunk that night and that he was just apologizing to Lala. Nia says in the moment Lala and Janet were in the moment Lala and Janet were who she was referring to about being terrible people. And Brittany says you said it

Lori (44:34.113)
Terrible people. And she's allowed to say that because they were there were times when they were acting terribly. And that's what she should have said. Is that I you know, I don't necessarily think you're terrible people, but I think you were certainly acting terrible. So I said terrible people. I don't think she should have apologized either.

Kelli (44:52.918)
Well, I think she was apologizing for a reason. I think she was apologizing for making a general statement because she doesn't like the fact that her husband has had isolated isolated incidents where he's been drunk and acted inappropriate and now there there's a generalization that he has a drinking problem and he's and he drinks too much every time and he's inappropriate every time and he makes everybody feel uncomfortable. I think that that's why she was so specific about not wanting to generalize. That's my personal opinion.

Lori (45:08.637)
Okay, okay, I see. Right, right, right, right. Right. That's what she was saying. Okay.

I get it. Yeah, yeah, I think you're right.

Kelli (45:20.726)
Lala says she doesn't like being lumped into that. Well, Lala, again, unless this is just what production showed us, we saw you going for Danny every chance you got. Literally, you couldn't talk about anything else but Danny the whole season. Nia says she regrets putting this label on them. She doesn't like that she used it as a general term. Andy asks, this I thought was very interesting. Andy asks Danny and Nia where they go from here.

Because he's insinuating that they have issues with everyone on the cast. They don't. It's Jason, Janet, La La, and whatever the w whatever way the wind's blowing that day, maybe Britney.

Lori (46:03.085)
For Jasmine. yeah, and for Jasmine, whatever way the one's called jasmine.

Kelli (46:05.62)
Yeah, I th listen, I think I think Jasmine's gonna be cool with everybody because I think Jasmine wants to stay on this show. And she doesn't she she and Zach are like peripheral cast mates. So I think that she and Jack Jack. She and Zach are just gonna be cool with everybody. I mean, Zach they both kind of insert themselves and plays it, but I think they're just gonna chill.

Lori (46:21.25)
Uh-huh.

Kelli (46:34.284)
but I didn't like that Andy insinuated that Danny and Nia have they're f they're cool with Jesse and Lacey, they're obviously cool with Kristen and Luke, they're cool with Zach, they're cool with Schwartz, they're cool with Jasmine. The rest of them suck, basically. Andy wants to end on a happy note. He asks Jasmine Jasmine how the wedding was. She says it was the most incredible day of her life.

Lori (46:47.061)
Right. So three people. Right. Right.

Kelli (47:01.246)
And the Knicks won. I didn't realize. So her wedding was the night of the NBA f well, the final game. The the game where the Knicks won. It wasn't the but you know, it didn't go s seven games, but how amazing. Janet and Jasmine's friendship is in a much better place. Jasmine and Michelle are starting to make appointments for a donor. not Michelle, Jasmine and Melissa are starting to make appointments for a donor for a baby.

Lori (47:06.167)
To the next one.

Lori (47:10.091)
Right. Right.

Kelli (47:30.752)
And then Melissa and Benji bring out champagne and they toast to Melissa and Jasmine. Jesse gives a toast, which was very sweet. And then thank God it's over.

Lori (47:42.573)
Mm-hmm.

I got it so enough.

Kelli (47:47.962)
like seriously, I ca I my God.

Lori (47:49.653)
Enough.

Yeah, and I had watched O C first and then that, so by the time it was over I was like, my god, I can't

Kelli (48:01.345)
Yeah, like I just

Lori (48:01.718)
I can't.

Kelli (48:05.46)
I don't know. I just, you know, I I don't know where we go next season. And it's a shame because I really do like this show. So I listen, my hope is that the Caperna's and the Book O's can move past whatever they have going on. Because I don't wanna see anybody leave. I mean, I don't like Janet, obviously, but I would like for them to come back next season and

Lori (48:23.917)
Yeah, and they can get it together.

Kelli (48:34.88)
Let's focus on something else. Like Danny don't drink Danny just shouldn't drink because listen, don't give them anything. Because here's the thing. If he doesn't drink and they still keep coming at him, like

Lori (48:37.399)
Let's focus Right.

Right.

Lori (48:48.289)
Right. Then you know for sure.

Kelli (48:51.178)
Yeah. So Danny, just don't drink.

Lori (48:52.513)
Well, maybe maybe n n next season let's focus on Janet getting herself better.

Kelli (49:00.224)
Yeah, well, I'll tell you what. Well, I'm not gonna say it. I'm I'm not gonna say it because I don't let you know, I'm not gonna say it. I'll say it when we're off camera. All right, we're approaching 50 minutes. Thank you for watching and listening. And if you would please go to our YouTube and subscribe and go to our socials, TikTok, Facebook, Insta, and follow and comment because we love the engagement. Even if we disagree, we're fine.

Lori (49:07.318)
Okay.

Lori (49:12.117)
Right, so that's a yeah, that's enough of that.

Lori (49:28.481)
Yes. You can even call us horrible, horrible names 'cause some do. Some do. Go ahead. Right. Right. Rage text away. I think it's funny.

Kelli (49:32.266)
Yeah, I don't care. yeah, we're good for it. We're over it now. Yeah, Lori got Lori's over the rage. Get bring it. I love that. Karen. Karen. It's a T V show.

Lori (49:42.092)
yeah. Yeah, Brady. I think it's hysterical. That anybody's that anybody's that right. If anybody yeah. That if anybody's that bothered, just to mean it's bizarre. Like you're pus you okay. Wild. All right, good night. No, but you don't get you're not on somebody's page saying nasty, nasty mean things. You can disagree with somebody.

Kelli (49:56.255)
Wild.

I mean I clearly get jacked up, but

Kelli (50:07.026)
No, no. Like I was just gonna say something about Jasmine Janet not Jasmine. Janet that actually somebody on another podcast said but it does have something to do with her physical appearance and I'm not gonna say it because I don't I don't I don't wanna do that. I don't wanna be that person.

Lori (50:17.591)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (50:24.555)
Right. The dress did not look good. Let's move on.

Kelli (50:29.739)
I think that

Lori (50:30.985)
I don't think the dress looked good on her. I think she's a very pretty girl, but I don't I didn't like her dress on her. I didn't think it was flattering to her.

Kelli (50:37.344)
I think she's a very pretty girl. I I think that she whatever she's doing, she might be going a little overboard and she's looking very thin. And I think that that dress is meant for someone who's more curvy. And if she weren't going to the extreme with whatever she's doing, she would still be curvy and the dress would have maybe complimented her.

Lori (50:49.431)
Well again l look little gaunt.

Lori (50:57.813)
Right. It just didn't look good on her.

Lori (51:08.289)
But this is why I said maybe next season focus on Jadit getting better. Because whatever she's got going on, whatever reason why she's so triggered and projecting and you know just

If you s if you spend a lot of time looking at what someone else says, does, how someone else behaves, then you don't have to look at yourself in the mirror. And I'm not saying I'm not saying look at yourself in the mirror because you're doing something just that you don't have to look at all. And somebody who somebody who is

Kelli (51:52.044)
I think you're absolutely right.

Lori (51:55.271)
going through something, you know, mentally and emotionally often doesn't want to do that. So

Kelli (52:03.9)
Right. No, I totally agree with you. Me too. Me too.

Lori (52:05.781)
I wish her the best is what I do.

Because there's a reason why people act.

like they don't like it their behavior's not making sense. And and that can all totally be from trauma. So I don't

Kelli (52:24.564)
It could. It could also be from a lifetime of wanting to be a reality T V star.

Lori (52:28.789)
It could be that too. And it could be a vicious combination of the both.

Kelli (52:33.385)
It could be a vicious combination of the both. You're right. You're right. All right. Bye.

Lori (52:35.482)
There you go. All right, but enough because I can't take anymore. Goodbye.