RHOC S20 E6 Carmella's Betrayal and Heather's Control

RHOC Carmella's Betrayal and Heather's Control

RHOC S20 E6 Suite and Sour

The ladies head to Las Vegas, where the glamorous getaway quickly turns into another test of the group’s friendships. The women embrace their inner showgirls with a day of showgirl school before heading out for a night on the town. But while the trip is supposed to be fun, tension is brewing beneath the surface. Vicki, Shannon, Gina, Emily, Heather, Jennifer and Carmella all bring their own baggage to Vegas, and it doesn't take long before the group dynamics start getting messy. The episode also gives Carmella a chance to confront the fallout from a betrayal in her personal life, while her complicated relationships with the women continue to raise questions.

Meanwhile, Emily and Shane's marriage becomes a major focus as Emily tries to figure out how to stabilize things at home. The conversation highlights the challenges Emily is facing in her marriage and adds another layer to what has already been an emotional season for her. Vicki also finds herself in an unexpected situation when an accident leaves her injured, giving the usually larger-than-life OG a vulnerable moment. Shannon steps up to help her, while the women continue navigating the strange combination of friendship, competition and unresolved grudges that comes with a Housewives trip.

The biggest confrontation comes at dinner overlooking the Las Vegas Strip, when Heather Dubrow is confronted by the other women over her perceived need to control everything. Complaints about Heather's behavior finally come to a head, forcing her to defend herself as the women question whether she is trying to manage the group and the narrative. Add in the continuing questions surrounding Carmella, Gina's suspicions and the increasingly complicated alliances, and “Suite and Sour” becomes less about Vegas fun and more about who actually has control of this group.

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Transcript

Lori (00:03.029)
Welcome to We Wine Whenever. This is Laurie.

Kelli (00:07.19)
And I'm Kelly and we both totally forgot where we were and what we were doing.

Lori (00:08.314)
Yeah.

Yes. I know that I know that we're talking about the latest episode of OC and I'm season twenty, episode something, and the name of the episode is I have to Google it.

Kelli (00:19.298)
We know it's season twenty.

Kelli (00:33.39)
Figure it out.

Lori (00:34.566)
Yeah. So it's Real Housewives of O C.

Kelli (00:37.4)
No big thing.

Kelli (00:41.944)
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Lori (00:41.975)
And

Lori (00:51.984)
Yeah, okay. sweet and sour, episode six.

Thank God for Google. Or else we would have. Yeah. Yeah. All right, so Vicky, Emily, and Tamra. Vicky's showing her her bulging knee, talking they're talking about navigating Las Vegas. Tamra gives a suggestion that maybe she gets a helicopter. I wasn't really getting it, but I was like, okay.

Kelli (01:02.722)
Yeah, I don't I don't get the sweet and sour thing, but whatever. Maybe not for me to get.

Kelli (01:29.868)
Yeah, I didn't really get that either.

Lori (01:31.504)
I yeah, I don't know how that's really gonna work out for you. like a scooter, okay. And then we flash back to the dinner where Jen says she has an opportunity for them to go to the Vega to Vegas, to the penthouse at Caesars. And

Kelli (01:34.893)
Right.

Kelli (01:55.072)
I found it very funny when Jen was like, Brian and I have a lot of connections in Las Vegas. It's like we know

Lori (02:02.052)
And I was thinking, isn't there like isn't there a rumor that he's involved with some s like serious gambling stuff?

Kelli (02:09.547)
His his best friend went to jail because of something that had to do with that MLB player that was gambling but blamed it on his manager or something. I mean, I believe somebody actually went to jail for something that Ryan's name was mentioned in, but right. I mean he didn't get in any trouble. I just thought it was so funny when she was like, We have a lot of connections in Vegas. We're like, We know.

Lori (02:27.026)
Involved in Yeah.

Right, right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought that was funny too. And so then, you know, we find out that she just really thinks that she's going to impress Heather with all of her vegas knowledge.

Kelli (02:52.951)
Why these women think they have to impress Heather, I I I it it annoys the hell out of me. But that's just me.

Lori (02:59.856)
Yeah. And then we flash back to Vicky and Tamara and then we get our first whoop it up and Debbie Downer of the episode.

Let's see.

Emily and Gina had a word discussing Gina throwing Emily under the bus and the Emily saying that everybody was talking about it. And, you know, both sides are right, but Emily was the one that brought it to Carmella's attention. Yes, the other girls were discussing it, but they were not the ones who brought it to Carmella's attention. So therefore

Kelli (03:40.706)
Yeah.

Lori (03:49.435)
I do think it was kind of a shitty friend move on Emily's part. Like best friend. Yeah, right. And you know, Emily says, Well, since when was that a confidential statement? You know, she's kinda playing both sides and being messy.

Kelli (03:53.451)
Mm-hmm. A like shitty best friend.

Kelli (04:08.674)
Yeah.

Lori (04:13.542)
But you know, I don't know. But maybe, you know, Gina bringing it up pissed off Emily, so she brought it up to Carmella. I don't know. But it's just so we have a show, so it doesn't matter. And then we go to the lymphatic Brazilian massage place, which I am all about.

Kelli (04:30.261)
Yeah, it is so we have a show.

Kelli (04:41.437)
I would like to do that.

Lori (04:43.216)
Yes. And now it was just kind of weird for me. They go into the room, the girl gives him them the two sets, one for each of them, of a paper kind of pseudo bikini. And they're talking about lotion and all of sudden Shannon is like busting, laughing, cracking up.

But then Jen was like weird. She was like wouldn't like break out of character and like laugh with Shannon. Like I would imagine Shannon wasn't laughing about lotion. I'd imagine Shannon was laughing about having to put this little thing on her body in her sixties. But Jen was just like it was just weird. Like Jen just like kept on.

Kelli (05:22.902)
Right, right, right, right.

Kelli (05:30.422)
Yeah.

Kelli (05:34.902)
Do you think that was editing or you think she really some Sometimes I think Jen doesn't really get what's going on. I don't and and listen, I feel bad saying this, but I don't think she's the sharpest tool in the shed. And two, I don't know how great of a sense of humor she has. Like if Emily were in that room with Shannon, she would have been on the floor rolling, laughing. Or Gina. Or Vicky. You know.

Lori (05:37.466)
I I don't know, it was odd 'cause I was just like

Lori (05:49.766)
Yeah, I don't know what it was.

Lori (06:00.77)
Right, 'cause that was one of those things that s somebody was laughing so hard, like how do you not laugh along with them? So it was v yeah. I just thought it was

Kelli (06:08.225)
L yeah, like just their laughing should be infectious enough to make you laugh. Yeah, I think she's very I I I can't tell if she just doesn't get it or if she gets it she has no sense of humor.

Lori (06:18.352)
Yeah. It was odd. I was very confused. And okay, I'm just gonna say this right now.

Kelli (06:22.509)
Mm.

Lori (06:27.362)
if I'm in my sixties and I'm not looking like Countess Luan, you are not going to be seeing me in my little black

Kelli (06:40.855)
Paper bikini. Yeah, but you know what? I'm gonna say this because I know we'll get there, but Gina and Vicky do look amazing for their ages. I think. I mean, when they were getting dressed for the showgirl thing, God bless them. I know they don't look like Countess Luann, but damn, they still look good. I like

Lori (06:41.126)
Paper bikini. No. You you're gonna

Lori (06:53.306)
absolutely. Yeah, Shannon too, absolutely, yeah. Right, yeah. Yeah.

Right.

Kelli (07:07.081)
I feel bad that Shannon stresses about her weight so much because she really does look amazing.

Lori (07:07.086)
Yeah, not bad.

Lori (07:13.096)
yeah, she does. But I'm just saying to you, if it was me, you would not be seeing that. You'd be seeing Jen in her perfect body, and I would be laying underneath the blanket, maybe showing the top of me with the little bittings. And that would be all you would be getting now, beat. let's see. and then did you see the scene where Shannon's talking about the duct tape?

Kelli (07:16.821)
Yeah. Right.

Lori (07:43.673)
She duct taped her body.

Kelli (07:46.012)
yes, yes, yes. She I know she goes to great lengths, Shannon. She goes to great lengths.

Lori (07:47.335)
That works. I've I've done that before. It works very well. It works very good. All right. And then Gina Heather. It's not though. No, it's not. It's really not. I've done it before. Not bad. Gina, Heather and Carmella meet up for cocktails and then

Kelli (07:55.299)
That must be a bitch to get off though at the end of the night.

Hm. Okay.

Lori (08:12.514)
Heather's like, you know, I wish the United States would catch up with Europe. We need purse stools I was like, okay.

Kelli (08:21.686)
Okay, so I'm just gonna say this. I am a germophobe, okay? I don't have extremely expensive bags. I have nice bags, but I don't have three thousand dollar bags. I'm such a germophobe. I don't like to put my bag on a table. I will not put my bag on the floor because it's an old Italian saying, you put your bag on the floor and your money goes out the window. And

I don't like to hang my bag off the back of my chair because I do have a big bag and people knock into it. So at my job at the law firm, we've got these things because I wear a headset for when I have to answer the phone just because it's kind of close quarters, so it's better to hear. But you put these hooks on your desk and then when you're not using your headset, you hang it on your headset. But it is perfect for a pocketbook.

Lori (09:08.721)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (09:18.304)
at a table at a restaurant. So I'm gonna order one so I can bring it to a restaurant, any restaurant I go to, and I can hang my bag under the table. Because I'm a germophob it's not because of the cost of the bag. For these women, I'm sure it's the cost of the bag. I'm just a germophobe and I know how many germs are in a restaurant. So I agree with her we need to catch up, but I don't think I need an extra chair for my bag. That's a little extra. Mm-hmm.

Lori (09:43.886)
Right. My own special store. And then Gina says, doesn't have doesn't Heather have her own plane. She can go to Paris any time she wants about the whole Paris trip in the past and her being jealous.

Kelli (09:56.141)
And they did that off camera. They did that while they weren't filming. They went for Emily's fiftieth birthday, Gina and Emily. So it's not like they purposefully left people out while they were filming. Because Heather's not real friends with anybody. So get over it, Heather. They're real friends.

Lori (10:02.126)
Right. Right.

Lori (10:08.292)
Right. And then Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.

And then Gina asks about yeah asked Carmella about Jen working with her.

And what did you think about that whole conversation?

Kelli (10:25.74)
I think it's very shady and I think that they need to stop it. And the fact that she doesn't have a real estate license and the fact that she's not a licensed contractor means nothing. I think Carmella is just being a girls' girl and is like, listen, you need your own income ex other than this show. So come do this with me and just see if it's something you're interested in. You s because if you're not interested in it.

Lori (10:35.59)
Means nothing.

Lori (10:41.808)
Right. Right.

Lori (10:48.206)
Right. You can go for your licenses or whatever later on. Yeah.

Kelli (10:52.738)
Took that real estate course, it is not easy. I didn't even feel comfortable enough after taking the course to take the test. I'd like to take it again because real estate's always something I've been interested in. But why invest the time to take the course if you're not even interested in it? Go work for her, make 20K, and see if you like it. What's wrong with that?

Lori (11:06.586)
If you're not even like it. Right.

Lori (11:11.482)
And see what it's like. Absolutely. Yeah. And it was very ignorant of Gina saying or Emily saying that to do the job that Carmela does requires capital. No, it doesn't. No, it doesn't. You think Carmela you think Carmela's out there shoveling out the cash for renovations? No. Her clients are. No, she goes to someone's home, she says

Kelli (11:30.23)
Not her own capital.

Kelli (11:35.274)
Exactly. Right.

Lori (11:40.376)
If you invest a hundred thousand dollars, I can guarantee you you'll get that hundred thousand dollars back plus another two hundred thousand dollars. So that's how that works. So it's like what are you even it just sounds really ignorant.

Kelli (11:47.022)
Plus.

Kelli (11:55.619)
Well, what they are showing Gina and Vicky, because Vicki's being very disrespectful about it, is their lack of knowledge in it. So Vicky should stop touting that this is what her boyfriend does for a living because she doesn't seem to understand it. And what he does and what Carmella does are two different things.

Lori (12:15.514)
It's different things. Absolutely.

Kelli (12:18.702)
They're only showing their own ignorance, which for Gina, she should stop because if you want to be a respected real estate, you know, you know, if that's the path you're going on and and she is successful in selling and and, you know, representing home buyers, but if you want to get into something that Carmela is doing, you should be a little bit more open to it, a bit a a a little bit more interested in

Lori (12:21.251)
It yeah.

Lori (12:28.849)
Right.

Kelli (12:44.236)
and learning about it because people are watching this show and they're seeing how ignorant you are with it.

Lori (12:49.294)
Yeah. I mean everybody doesn't stop at the top people. You know, start at the top. I don't get it. So, they're sitting down and Gina said she's happy we finally got to talk about it. And it was nice that Heather did give

Kelli (12:54.018)
Yeah. Right.

Lori (13:08.786)
Carmela some flowers for handling her handling of the dinner conversation. And Carmella says she knows where Gina's coming from, and Gina does apologize. And then we flash back to the dinner with Shannon talking about Gina. Gina says Shannon wanted to talk for Carmela and Shannon wasn't trying to take, you know, Carmela's voice away.

Carmilla doesn't need a cheerleader.

Kelli (13:41.323)
No, but I think at the end we see the resolve to that and I think it was a good resolve because I understand why Shannon did what she did. They were they were bullying her basically. Yes. Every one of them know how's it how it feels to be the new girl, so they should all be more gracious about it.

Lori (13:51.344)
Right. She was just Right. So it's just trying to stick up for her a little. Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (14:05.328)
Yeah. But don't be acting like, Shannon was taking her voice away. Girl, hey, nobody take a shit from Carmela, so I don't know what you're talking about. Stop it.

Kelli (14:14.442)
Exactly. Exactly. She one hundred percent completely held her own.

Lori (14:19.898)
Yeah. Gina says she's feels like Emily's talking about her behind her back. Emily in the confessional. she says we've been very good friends. She never says best friends. Emily. Good friends. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Kelli (14:35.586)
Who? Really?

Kelli (14:41.826)
That's interesting. I've never picked up on that.

Lori (14:46.224)
And then Emily's at our house moving her daughter's bedroom around. You know, all the typical kid stuff. Nobody's happy with nothing. And then eventually they'll all be happy. So you just gotta ignore them while you're doing it. And then we got three more whoops. Whooping up. We got three more. So we are at four whoop it ups and one Debbie Downer at the moment.

Kelli (15:15.086)
Ha ha ha.

Lori (15:15.876)
Okay. Carmella does desperately need to get

Lori (15:25.99)
Drapery treatments in her in her apartment.

Kelli (15:29.464)
So I didn't realize like, is that a new place?

Lori (15:32.602)
I think that's her place that she has here and I think the place that we've seen that's the really big plea place that kinda has the view, I think that's in that ranchero whatever where the kids stay.

Kelli (15:45.197)
Okay. So is that's so that's where the kids stay. So when she goes to the beach house, 'cause that looked like a beach house, right? Yeah, 'cause that's near Shannon. I guess her husband goes to the ranchero or whatever house. Got it. Okay.

Lori (15:51.782)
And a sort of yeah. Yeah.

Lori (15:58.097)
Right. Yes. I believe so. I think that's what goes on. But she does need to get drape treatments. And as Kelly knows, this is a huge pet peeve of mine. When people have the fishbowl look, I don't like it. I don't wanna see what you're doing. Yes, I don't like it. It's stupid. Get some curtains. No one wants to look.

Kelli (16:10.894)
Huge.

Kelli (16:15.544)
She could show you every house in our neighborhood that does not have curtains.

Kelli (16:23.158)
Mm.

Lori (16:25.084)
We don't wanna watch what you're watching on T V. No. Yeah, I don't wanna watch you shoving popcorn in your yap. I don't wanna watch it.

Kelli (16:27.67)
Right, right.

Kelli (16:32.386)
We walked past my house the one night last week and my blinds were not open but like you could see you know I guess they were open. We'll say open. And it was the back room with the big T V and she said, Tell Eric not to put porn on 'cause everybody will know he's watching it.

Lori (16:48.486)
But go and watch. Like I don't like it. Just close your blinds, man. Close your blinds. Yeah. And then we find out that

Kelli (16:52.43)
Not that he would ever do that, but it was funny.

Kelli (16:59.074)
I mean I'm sure he watches it, just not on the big T V where people could see.

Lori (17:02.512)
Right. then we find out, what's her name? Carmella has found that she was diabetic at thirty six when she rut ruptured her blo breast implant and had to do her like pre op blood work. So

Kelli (17:19.95)
So I'm just gonna say this and I'm not judging anybody, but I had gestational diabetes when I was pregnant with Joe. So I know how you have to eat.

Lori (17:27.718)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (17:29.43)
I mean, unless they were listen, she was eating pizza and cupcakes. I'm like, I think those are two big no no's on the diabetic diet, but maybe those cupcakes were like, you know, sugar free or whatever.

Lori (17:34.982)
I know.

Lori (17:43.984)
Whatever. She she obviously knows what she's doing or not doing, right? Whatever. Yeah. She must be all right.

Kelli (17:47.501)
Yeah, she does. I mean, listen, she looks amazing, so she must be handling it. And that must be wild getting that diagnosis that at that age. Yeah.

Lori (17:56.763)
at that age? Yes, absolutely wild. And then we meet her boyfriend Danny, find out he was cheated on her four years ago. Now this is interesting because I really thought that I had read that the husband also cheated on her.

Kelli (18:18.178)
Yeah, she said that. Yeah, she said that.

Lori (18:19.672)
So that's pretty horrible to have your husband cheat on you and then your longstanding boyfriend cheat on you. That's horrible. Yeah, that's that's that's messed up.

Kelli (18:30.242)
Yeah, because he I'm sure this guy Danny knew how hurt she was when her husband did it to her. I mean, women, you know nobody, women or men, recover from that. And when that happens to you, there's always an insecure part of you. And and and you are s are so hesitant to start new relationships because you always have that in the back of your head. So he must have known that. I'm sure she

Lori (18:56.08)
Right.

Kelli (18:59.766)
shared that with him, communicated that to him.

Lori (19:01.53)
Right, yeah, yeah. So she says she's gotta figure out how to forgive him and herself. But then she's saying he's still lying. I'm like, Girl, what are you doing? What are you doing?

Kelli (19:13.164)
Right, right, right. And she's right. Like if you're lying about something silly, you're definitely lying about big things. Yes.

Lori (19:20.336)
Right, you can line about something big, right? Right, yeah. So she says, Let's pack for Vegas so I can cheat on you and you can know what it feels like. That was pretty funny. Yeah.

Kelli (19:29.804)
I actually really thought that that was funny.

Kelli (19:34.722)
I thought that was very funny.

Lori (19:37.33)
All right, let's see. Heather and

Lori (19:45.69)
Trying to think who made it for lunch. Heather, Shannon.

Kelli (19:50.25)
with her mom and Vicky.

Lori (19:51.491)
And her mom, yeah. meet up for lunch. Vicky comes in and heals. Stop it. Son.

Kelli (19:58.457)
This is what I'm saying. Don't tell me your knee hurts and you're wearing four inch heels. No. And she's been doing this, you know for weeks. Mm-hmm.

Lori (20:03.418)
Right. And then right. They're limping around the whole the whole season now. Like it's like geriatric housewives with there's too many people foolin' about. All right, and then we find out that Carol, Heather's mother, has a home in Puerto Riarta, like Vicky and Vicky has gotten her Mexican residence.

Kelli (20:15.532)
Right.

Yes. Yes.

Lori (20:32.599)
And then who was it that says the apple does not fall far from the tree?

Kelli (20:41.388)
I don't know if it was Gina or Vicky, but they're they're absolutely right. They're the same person, Heather and her mother.

Lori (20:41.446)
Maybe Gina, I think it was Gina, yeah, Gina. Yeah. Yeah. And how about the story that the mother told?

Kelli (20:52.322)
about not becoming a doctor because she was too attractive? I'm sorry, Carol, but get the fuck out of here.

Lori (20:55.226)
Yeah. And then how about

And how about the one where this just told me everything. The one where Heather wanted to make friends with different girls so she would make lists. And one of the girls on the lists, she went to her house and then it was on a main road and her mom came together and they were out walking on the road singing and and Heather's mom said, well, you're never coming back here again.

Kelli (21:28.418)
Right. Did I

Lori (21:28.562)
'Cause your kid was walking and singing.

Kelli (21:32.664)
Did I just see you singing and having fun with a friend? Absolutely not. We will not be doing that again.

Lori (21:36.538)
Wha Yeah, let's cut this in the bud. I was like, my God. There's why you're fucked.

Kelli (21:46.114)
Yeah. Yep.

Lori (21:47.474)
Right? Like I was like, that's some crazy shit.

Kelli (21:50.819)
Yeah. I mean, was it like the Garden State Parkway? Is that what they were walking on? I mean when Heather was a little girl, roads weren't as busy. I'm just gonna say it. 'Cause when I was a little girl, roads weren't as busy. And she's older than me.

Lori (22:00.454)
Yeah, come on.

Even if it wa even if it was a main road, there's still a shoulder. Like come on. All right, now they all meet up at the airport and Emily is there with some busted knee from an e bike full 'cause she was mad at Shane. So again, now we have another casualty.

Kelli (22:08.866)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (22:26.17)
And what was up with that?

Kelli (22:26.991)
she was on an e bike? I thought she was in a car.

Lori (22:29.968)
No, on a E bike. She was mad at Chain. Yeah, she was mad at Shane and wasn't paying attention and she was on the e bike with the other kids. I guess they were on their own and she fucking wiped out on it.

Kelli (22:31.63)
but her kids were with her.

Lori (22:46.64)
Yeah, and then we get Vicky comes in and then we get another two Debbie Downers. So we are on

Kelli (22:58.582)
Eight.

Lori (22:59.364)
Two. Three.

Kelli (23:02.425)
no, Debbie Downers maybe four.

Kelli (23:08.728)
The whoop it ups, I think we're up to eight.

Lori (23:10.842)
Yeah, that yeah. All right. So and what was that with that lame lounge they were in? Lame. Lame as hell.

Kelli (23:18.542)
I don't know. I thought the same thing. See, this is the difference between O C and Beverly Hills.

And listen, New Jersey, you literally see them walking into Newark. There is no lounge.

Lori (23:30.5)
Right. But that was a lame, lame, lame lounge.

And then we find out Carmel has a fear of flying and some O C D. Doesn't like to leave her kids, her pets. She's always afraid something's gonna happen. And then they fly, everything's fine. They get to Vegas.

Kelli (23:54.328)
Listen, I'm with Carmella. I haven't flown since I was pregnant with Jo.

Lori (23:57.925)
Yeah. They get to Vegas and they're have the limousine that picks them up for Showgirl Boot Camp.

Kelli (24:09.976)
I would totally do that, wouldn't you?

Lori (24:11.952)
my god, yes. My daughter would rock that like there's no tomorrow. No tomorrow. yes, I would do that. Hell yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (24:18.37)
Yeah.

Yeah. That would be a fun thing to do. And what a fun thing for that woman. Like I don't know if she's the only game in town, like if she's the only one who started a company like that, but what a good idea. Absolutely. Like you're too old to do it anymore, but why not have fun with it and give women the experience?

Lori (24:31.954)
Yeah, it was a great idea. What a great idea. Yeah. Right.

Lori (24:41.222)
Yeah.

And then Shannon's telling us she needs some deodorant. I was like, Okay. We get another two Debbie Downers. So

Lori (25:00.22)
Jen gets put on the spot when Emily asks her what if Ryan showed up and said, Let's get married. Jennifer said that would happen because they would want the kids there. And then Km Carmella says, I don't think you should get married right now. You should just pause. It's a lot of pressure. And Tamra made like a face, like, whoa, like that's kinda ballsy telling her. But it's something I would it's something I would do. It's something I would do though. Like she wasn't

Kelli (25:21.538)
Yeah. But Jen totally called her out.

Yeah, and Jen called her out and was like, Are you s no? Yeah, are you saying this because of your situation? Which is a valid question.

Lori (25:28.37)
She wasn't being a dick. yeah. She switched it all around. Jen's Jen

Lori (25:36.123)
Right. And she wasn't it she wasn't saying it like, you know, look in your own backyard before you talk to me. She was just being nice about it. She really meant it. Yeah. And she and I think she saw it t to apply to her own self also, you know. And but she did volley it back and I thought that was pretty good.

Kelli (25:43.342)
Right. Genuinely asking. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (25:59.225)
Yeah, for sure.

Lori (26:02.866)
You know, we find out that, you know, her big anxiety is to give her kids stability.

Lori (26:12.516)
Yeah. Carmella. Car that's a big thing for Carmella is to give her kids let's see Emily and Gina talk about dinner and rooming together and Higga Heather's trigger that they share a room. w what do you care?

Kelli (26:16.302)
Carmella. Right, right, right, right.

Kelli (26:32.866)
I don't I mean I I do believe Heather when Heather says everybody agrees with me and I'm the only one saying it, I believe that. but you know, on New York it was always Ramona and Sonia sharing a room. Listen, they don't like them sharing a room because they know damn well that after the night's over, they go back to the room and they debrief and they talk shit. And who's getting the cameras? Them.

Lori (27:02.398)
because they're gonna get more camera time. okay, I see. I got it, I got it. And whoever did Vicky's makeup for the showgirl did not like her.

Kelli (27:05.176)
Course. Cause they're gonna go in and talk about everything that happened for the night. Mm.

Kelli (27:19.758)
I agree with you. I it was throwing me off when Gina and Emily were back in their room talking about how people are jacked up that they share a room and Gina still had her full showgirl makeup on. I was like, my god, she's gotta take that off. The eyelashes were like

Lori (27:21.212)
Did not like her. Did not like her.

Lori (27:35.697)
Yeah. But Vickies, Vickies had these round things of blah b no, s so she yes, that someone did not like her. And I wouldn't if I was her, I would not have done any of the dance moves. I would have posed for the picture, played up the knee and moved on, but I would not have I just would not have done it.

Kelli (27:42.967)
yeah, she looked like a clown.

Kelli (27:47.51)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (28:02.732)
Yeah, but she doesn't want anybody calling her Debbie Downer.

Lori (28:05.614)
Well, everybody could call me Debbie Downer because I would be like, you know what? I'll be the Debbie Downer and not look like an ass and look pretty cute over here in the photo and and move it all on. let's see.

Kelli (28:12.514)
Right.

Lori (28:29.582)
And then

Lori (28:34.32)
I think Vicky's so silly, like to go back to the hotel and Vicky says, I'm gonna decapitate my leg. That's not the right word. It's not the right word. That's like your head. You can only decapitate your head.

Kelli (28:42.478)
Yeah, like what? It's not the right word. No, and it sounds terrible. Right. She's so I know. For a smart woman, it's like I d is is she tr is she pretending? Like I I don't know.

Lori (28:56.11)
I don't know. And then Emily and Gene are having a conversation about the whole pocket book and the throwing under the bus. And I thought it was a pretty good manipulation by Gina telling Emily, you know, it's just that I don't want you to think that you always have to be the biggest hammer. Like she actually got Emily to apologize to her and I was like, look at you

Kelli (29:23.79)
She did. She did.

Lori (29:25.938)
She did, right? Now wild. And then we have Shannon having her EMF elevator freak out.

Kelli (29:29.826)
Yes.

Kelli (29:37.718)
Listen, this is all about the room. This is all about the fact that Heather got a better room. Heather's always gonna get the better room. Like Shannon, where have you been? And the the elev I loved I loved how production kept flashing back to the room and it was silent.

Lori (29:38.512)
Yeah.

Lori (29:45.756)
Right. Where have you been? Right.

Lori (29:55.719)
With the silence. The silence. Yeah, that's great.

Kelli (29:59.405)
Now we've I mean, I've seen and ho I've never had a room that the elevator is right next to in a casino.

Lori (30:08.314)
I certainly wouldn't like it. I'm just gonna tell you that.

Kelli (30:10.28)
I don't think they have them though is my point. I think it goes like elevator, like laundry room, ice ice machine and vending machine room. And then there's rooms. I don't think there's a casino that would have the elevator shaft butt up against w a guest room. I think that's a bunch of nonsense. I think we need somebody from Caesars Palace to fact check this for us.

Lori (30:13.03)
Yeah, I wouldn't think so.

Lori (30:19.45)
Right, like things around it. Right.

Lori (30:27.086)
Next to a room. Right. Right. Yeah.

Lori (30:36.358)
Yeah, to let us to let us know about that. Yeah. And then

They're a dinner and

Lori (30:50.492)
Somebody says whoop it up. So we get another one of those. Carmela says she needs to use her insulin thing and doesn't want to offend anybody. And Gina says there are so much injections here. I don't think you're Yeah.

Kelli (31:03.584)
I mean, really. I mean not just their faces, but the amount of GLPs going on right now.

Lori (31:08.848)
Yeah. And Emily starts stirring the pot. Yeah. Emily starts stirring the pot, saying to Shannon, Are you talking for Carmella again? 'Cause Carmelo is telling the story about all of the other vibrators. And Shanna brings up her defense of Carmella and

Kelli (31:11.448)
GLP ones, excuse me.

Lori (31:31.773)
Gina apologizes to Shannon. Gina brings up rooming to Heather and I f felt she did really good kinda like setting her boundaries about it. She's just like, It's fucking stupid, it's your problem and I don't want to talk about it anymore. And I don't want my vacation micromanaged by what you think about what I'm doing and the relationships I have. So I thought that was really I thought that was really good.

Kelli (32:00.547)
Yeah, and again, I do think that one, Heather has major control issues. And two

Lori (32:05.542)
Mm.

Kelli (32:12.03)
Lost my train of train of thought. and two, I do think that they're all talking about it and they all have opinions about it, and Heather's the only one saying it. I'm sure Tamara has made a comment or two about that. You know, so but but whatever. Listen, I like this. People are bored with OC. People thought this was a filler episode.

Lori (32:13.714)
Mm.

Kelli (32:40.234)
I mean, it was kind of silly that we're at this table and like three conflicts were resolved within twenty seconds, but that's okay. Because one, I think that for the twentieth anniversary, after how dark New Jersey got, and I think that they're trying to keep this twentieth anniversary season of OC very light.

Lori (32:47.354)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (33:05.581)
Kelli (33:07.264)
And fun. And I think they're accomplishing that, quite honestly.

Lori (33:12.262)
Well they did it now. A new word. Fuddy duddy. I got another one to count. I got another one to count. Yeah. So we got another term for me to count. and then we see the next episode looks really cool. It's Grand Canyon. I wanna go there so bad.

Kelli (33:18.232)
Fuddy duddy. I mean, did you grow up hearing that term? I did.

Kelli (33:28.216)
Ha ha ha

Kelli (33:38.254)
Me too.

Lori (33:39.727)
And then we see Vicky doing way, way, way too much because she makes a jab at Carmela's children and while I wrote was girl and underlined it. So she needs to she yeah. She needs to back up that truck.

Kelli (33:49.494)
Mm.

Kelli (33:53.634)
No. No no bueno, Vicky. No bueno.

Kelli (34:02.126)
Seriously, 'cause honestly, I we can't you ca you gotta s every all these franchises, they gotta stop. They gotta stop with the kids. These kids did not sign up for this show. Like what happened to Katie Janella last season or you know, the season before when they brought up when she had to go into a, you know, a shelter or whatever. So low, so below the belt. You cannot talk about people's kids.

Lori (34:13.989)
No. It's horrible.

Lori (34:28.412)
Mm.

Yeah. So

Kelli (34:31.662)
People are just out here we're out here doing the best we can.

Lori (34:34.598)
Best we can, yeah. So you got anything else to add?

Kelli (34:40.064)
No. That was great, great. Just about at a half hour. I love it.

Lori (34:45.404)
Bam boom.

Kelli (34:46.606)
Bing bang boom. But like I said, there are people online saying this was a filler episode. This is so boring. I'm enjoying it. I like the light and fluffy nonsense conflict resolution. Let's move on. I'm enjoying I am enjoying everyone on this cast right now. Even if some of them get under my skin. I I'm even not minding Tamara. Like I thought Tamara was very funny in this episode.

Lori (35:13.84)
Yeah, no problem. Yeah.

Kelli (35:14.21)
With her comments and her confessionals. Vicky, we're gonna we are gonna recap Ultimate Girls Trip. we might just wait until Wendy comes back to do that, but we'll see. We'll figure it out. Vicky is annoying the hell out of me on that show, but not this show so much. She's annoying, but again, I I think it's light, I think it's good.

Lori (35:28.112)
So yeah, yeah.

Lori (35:34.8)
Yeah. She annoyed me way more last episode than she did this episode. I still like this episode.

Kelli (35:41.656)
For sure. But she's definitely gonna annoy us next next episode with the Carmella Kid thing.

Lori (35:46.33)
Right. Right. Like this episode.

I didn't want to be friends with her. I could ca hang out with her. Last episode I wanted to punch her in the face. So that's where I'm at with that.

Kelli (35:59.148)
Right. Right. So there was some improvement.

Lori (36:04.122)
I think it's temporary, but

We shall see.

Kelli (36:09.538)
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Lori (36:21.083)
Yep. Thank you. Bye.

Kelli (36:22.457)
Bye.