Postpartum Pressure, Apologies & Awkward Dates 💥 The Valley Recap

Postpartum Pressure, Apologies & Awkward Dates 💥 The Valley Recap

Summary:
In The Valley Season 3, Episode 4 (“Mariposa Momma”), the group juggles relationship strain, unresolved conflicts, and new dating chaos. Danny tries to support postpartum Nia in unconventional (and humorous) ways, while tensions with Jason remain unresolved after a tense group confrontation over past behavior and accusations.

Jesse continues to hold resentment toward Janet, hinting she may be the common source of group drama. Meanwhile, Michelle focuses on moving forward with her divorce and explores her independence, even attempting to play matchmaker for Schwartz during a messy night out filled with flirting, jealousy, and interruptions.

Kristen, still struggling postpartum, opens up about insecurity and emotional overwhelm, leading to a raw and emotional fight with Luke. Their relationship hits a breaking point as both feel unappreciated and isolated, but they ultimately agree to try couples therapy.

The episode balances humor, dating drama, and heavy emotional moments, highlighting the challenges of parenthood, relationships, and personal growth within the friend group.

Transcript

Wendy (00:01.134)
Welcome to We Wine Whenever, I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:04.526)
I'm Kelly.

Wendy (00:07.128)
We are talking about the Valley, season three, episode four. But before we do that, I would like to do our call to action, which is please head over to YouTube and hit subscribe if you're not following us. If you are, thank you. Check out our Instagram, follow us, Facebook, TikTok, every place we're at. Please follow us.

Kelli (00:29.276)
Thank you.

Wendy (00:32.056)
Thank you. We're also going to talk about real quick Summer House because we are recording this on Friday the 24th and they just recorded the reunion yesterday the 23rd and this morning what came out was the leaked audio. So what are your thoughts, on this? Because I have a lot of thoughts.

Kelli (00:57.5)
So, again, with so much AI online, we really don't know what's true and what's not. Supposedly, West announced that he's leaving the show. Amanda announced that she's leaving the show. So, there are theories out there that one of them leaked it and got fired. And that the other one's just leaving the show. I mean, Amanda's on in the city, so it kinda makes sense that she would announce, I don't know.

I also read something somewhere else where it said that the audio is very clear. And if someone just had a phone in their pocket and hit record, you wouldn't be able to hear Sierra on the other couch. And KJ, I believe, is on the other couch. Or maybe KJ is down this couch. I don't know. I kind of believe that. I feel like it was somebody on the set, not a cast member, though.

Wendy (01:56.386)
That's what I think. And Kyle went on Instagram and was talking about it. And he also said that he thinks it's from a speaker that was on the set. said, you know, he's not sure how that could have happened because the set, there's such tight security. He said all the hair and makeup people are not allowed on the set. They don't have speakers. They don't hear what's going on.

Kelli (02:01.487)
Yes.

Kelli (02:18.758)
Right.

Kelli (02:24.252)
Yeah, I mean, somebody could have just put something down and nobody noticed.

Wendy (02:30.624)
Yeah, but I mean, Andy put out a statement, Bravo put out a statement. They are investigating this and they will find out. I believe that they'll find out who put it out there and.

Kelli (02:45.316)
I believe they will too. I just think it's funny because every time there's a reunion, we might not hear audio before the reunion airs, but we'll see clips, we'll see reports that so-and-so said this at the reunion prior to the reunion coming out. And you know damn well Bravo's putting that out. So I think Bravo's just pissed because they're not the ones who leaked this.

Wendy (03:13.238)
Well, it's their information though. They should be pissed. I don't blame them. This is all copyrighted. This is illegal. It's actually illegal what they did putting out this.

Kelli (03:15.1)
Yeah.

Kelli (03:21.818)
Yeah, it is illegal, especially for anybody on that set because I am sure there is very, very clear paperwork you have to sign to even be there. And I'm sure this goes against what's in that paperwork. So, yeah, yeah, no, I know.

Wendy (03:34.711)
Absolutely.

Wendy (03:41.248)
And I don't think it was West because, or I don't think it was Amanda. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. It really doesn't.

Kelli (03:44.88)
think it was anybody on those couches. I really don't. People are like, it was Jesse. I'm like, I don't think anybody on that couch would jeopardize their future with Bravo, especially West and Amanda, because people hate them right now. Their futures on Bravo are already jeopardized because of the way people feel about them. mean, Tom Sandoval was not treated very well after

Wendy (04:11.393)
Yeah, and

Kelli (04:14.618)
That whole mess. Rightfully so.

Wendy (04:18.668)
Yeah, but I mean, I don't know. This is crazy to me. It's crazy that people have such...

low regard for themselves, to be quite honest with you. And I am referring to Amanda and Rachel or Raquel, whatever we were calling her, because these women, just, it's disappointing. It's, yeah, it's just disappointing. I mean,

Kelli (04:45.094)
your friend.

That's your friend. There was no remorse on Amanda's part. There was no remorse on Wes's part. I do think Amanda is getting more heat than Wes, but I also think that we should hold our girlfriends up to a higher standard than some fuck boy. I mean, he's out there playing around in Manhattan. Did you see Southern Hospitality's Mia on Watch What Happens Live the other night in which she said?

Wendy (05:07.768)
Definitely.

Wendy (05:16.918)
I sure did. Yep, I sure did. I sure did.

Kelli (05:20.046)
And she said, didn't, I got caught in the dragnet that West had covered over New York City. This guy's out swinging his big D, well, I'm gonna say swinging his day around, because I highly doubt he has a big one with the way he's acting. So he's swinging it around. Amanda, and Mia says it, from Summerhouse says it, like, you, you did this to Sierra?

to be a side piece for West? Like, what are we doing? And I think that that's what most people are thinking.

Wendy (05:56.418)
Yeah, because, well that's what I'm saying. And she even admitted that she knew that he was seeing other people.

Kelli (06:05.178)
And here's the thing, he said,

Wendy (06:05.602)
Like, that's what I'm saying. They don't have any self-respect. These women don't have any self-respect. Like, what is wrong with you? You're worth more than this.

Kelli (06:14.49)
And he said, yeah, we had to put the statement out because of what was going on. They don't even know if they like each other yet. And now they put this statement out like, you have to commit now. this is like, I mean, it's crazy.

Wendy (06:34.879)
crazy.

Kelli (06:40.066)
And I'm sorry, she used Sierra's own words against her. She said, you can't control who you like. And Sierra's like, well, actually, yes, you can. And she's like, no, you said you can't. Yes, you can, Amanda. And I think that what Sierra's, when Sierra said it, she meant like, I had a relationship with this guy. It's very clear that Sierra doesn't just go around sleeping with people.

it's very clear that she is very cautious with who she gives that part of herself to and God bless her for it. And that's what she meant. Like we went this far and I can't just turn those feelings off now because that's not who I am. She didn't mean that, you somehow get attracted to this guy, which I don't get it. Out of all the guys on Summer House,

Wendy (07:06.403)
Definitely.

Wendy (07:27.64)
Right.

Wendy (07:32.386)
I don't get it either.

Kelli (07:34.746)
I get it the least with West, but you can't, yes, yes, Amanda, yes, you could control that. Yes, you can control not sleeping with someone who literally broke your good friend's heart on national television and is very close friends with your soon to be ex-husband. Yes, you most certainly can control that.

Wendy (07:55.84)
And this week's episode, Sierra and West had that whole sit down at the beach. I mean, are you kidding me?

Kelli (08:04.956)
at the coffee shop at the coffee shop before they got on the boat

Wendy (08:09.016)
They were at the coffee shop? No, they were sitting on the lounge chairs.

Kelli (08:18.778)
Sierra and West.

Wendy (08:19.15)
weren't they on lounge? Yeah, when they left early. They left early. Yeah, I don't think it was a coffee shot.

Kelli (08:21.968)
I thought. Yeah, they left early. They went and got coffee and then went to. Yeah, you're right. They went and got coffee and then they went to where they were going to all meet up with everybody else to go on the boat. Yeah.

Wendy (08:34.41)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like, I mean, she was opening up her heart to you. And you sat there and you

Kelli (08:42.66)
No, did you hear him say? Did you hear him say it's hard to not resent the person? Like something about him resenting her.

Wendy (08:54.976)
No, I didn't hear that.

Kelli (08:57.463)
my god. When he said it, I was like, did he actually just say that? Like something about resenting her for all the heat he got for the way he treated her.

This guy is gonna be the most hated guy on Bravo, got news for him. He's gonna be hated more than Sandoval.

Wendy (09:17.806)
Well, you know, I mean, I'll tell you why too, because not that, Sierra's loved, Sierra's always been loved. Sierra has always been loved. Ariana wasn't always loved. Sierra has not done anything wrong. I mean, I love that she got Dancing with the Stars. I love that she got that Sonic commercial with Ariana. Did you see that? It's like another one, Chef's Kiss. okay.

Kelli (09:39.953)
my God, amazing. I shared it on our Instagram. Absolutely, absolutely. Do you ever notice, and I know they're probably just such good friends, it's never gonna happen, and I believe he hopefully is dating Bailey, but did you ever notice the way Carl looks at Sierra?

Wendy (09:47.416)
Yeah.

Wendy (10:01.344)
Well, Carl did like Sierra. I mean, he really did. he had the conversation with her. He did have the conversation with her. I know. But Carl's OK. I think Carl's going to be OK. I think he's going to be OK. I do too. I do too. All right. That's it for the summer house, because we have to get into the valley. We have to get into the valley. This one was called Mariposa Mama.

Kelli (10:03.643)
Kelli (10:07.578)
Yeah, he did.

Kelli (10:14.296)
I know. I like him with Bailey.

Kelli (10:20.686)
I don't know. Yeah.

Wendy (10:30.518)
We start out at Danny and Ni- I know, it's so silly, right? I was like, my god.

Kelli (10:34.556)
Yeah.

GASP

Wendy (10:37.814)
We start out at Danny and Nia's house and poor Nia is standing there double pumping at the counter. I'm like this poor girl. Like she is, she said it. She's like a human cow. Five years.

Kelli (10:49.03)
She said she's been either pregnant or breastfeeding for five years or both at the same time. That sounds exhausting.

Wendy (10:56.14)
Yes. Yes.

It does, it really does. And then Danny has something that's gonna help her. And my gosh, I thought this was the sweetest thing. The Mr. Wilk Milker, world's number one most used male breastfeeding product. I had never heard of that. I mean, I have seen, like, I had seen other objects, but not that one.

Kelli (11:10.222)
It was.

Kelli (11:17.702)
Me neither.

Kelli (11:24.668)
It was so good and it didn't look like it worked very well in this scene. However, on the after show, he does say that it works. He tried it again and it works.

Wendy (11:27.31)
He's so sweet.

Wendy (11:34.839)
Good good good. good cuz I didn't watch the aftershow. I'm glad to hear that I'm glad to hear that

Kelli (11:40.06)
The baby looked traumatized.

Wendy (11:43.392)
my god, and the kids, the kids are like, no, like what are doing? No!

Kelli (11:48.272)
The sun like ripped the picture of Mayo off his face. He was like, what are we doing?

Wendy (11:58.606)
really do like Dani and Nia. So then Dani's... I know, I know.

Kelli (12:01.148)
I do too. People are all over social media though saying like, he objectifies his wife. I'm like, oh my God, he doesn't.

Wendy (12:10.062)
don't think so. don't think so. The BraavBros were saying that. They're like, we don't like Danny. I'm like, how can you not like Danny?

Kelli (12:17.468)
I don't, well first of all, got, mean, broad bros, have weird takes on things. Sometimes I think they say things just because they think it's gonna land well with their listeners, quite honestly. I don't think Danny objectifies his wife. His wife is hot, he knows it, and listen, he's very attracted to his wife. That's okay.

Wendy (12:41.742)
He's a good looking man himself. Like, Danny's... I mean, they're adorable together. I think they're the perfect little couple. I really do.

Kelli (12:43.673)
Exactly.

All right. Yeah.

Wendy (12:51.278)
don't want to have any cheating scandal with these two because I'm not going to be able to handle it. Enough of this already.

Kelli (12:56.092)
Please, yeah, exactly. We've been through enough.

Wendy (13:01.09)
Yes, it's too much, it's too much.

Kelli (13:03.164)
Let us get over the whole West and Amanda thing, please.

Wendy (13:08.268)
Yes. So Danny's telling her what Luke had said that Jason wants to meet up and he wants to apologize for things. And Nia's like, listen, I think that maybe if you just do that so that it's not so awkward, I don't want you to miss out on stuff. Hopefully you can coexist. So then we see Tom and Jason and Jesse.

go to a place called Hammer and Nails. It is a male mani-pedi spa thing. I'd never heard of such a thing.

Kelli (13:43.046)
Did you notice that this is the second episode? We do not see Janet. It's lovely. It's lovely.

Wendy (13:47.51)
I did. I did. And did you notice for the coming attractions, she's crying that she feels like she's to Lala and Brittany that she feels like she's losing touch with everybody. Well, maybe do the right thing. yeah.

Kelli (14:02.874)
I did not see that. Right? Apologize for the essay comment. That's what you gotta do. And really mean it. That's what you gotta do. Yep.

Wendy (14:11.286)
Yes. Jesse shows up late. my God. Because he was at the doctor's office. He had to get tested for rabies. Jesse! And we find out that he's been feeding a squirrel by hand whole foods, almonds, whole foods, organic almonds from his hand. And the squirrel bit him.

Kelli (14:38.0)
I was laughing because may he rest in peace, my brother-in-law Andy who has passed, he was an animal lover. I used to call him Snow White. Animals loved him and there was one squirrel, there was one squirrel that would come to their bedroom window and he would feed the bird nuts at their bedroom window. He would never come in the house.

Wendy (14:53.528)
Ha ha ha.

Kelli (15:03.462)
But he would come right up to the window. Andy was snow white. I was laughing during this scene thinking of him. May he rest in peace. Yep.

Wendy (15:07.416)
That's so funny. That's so funny. So then we find out that, well, Tom tells Jesse that he's going to a singles night with his ex and Lala. And Jesse said, and Michelle are getting along fine, and I think you should go for Michelle. And I'm like, my gosh, could you imagine?

Kelli (15:35.239)
Well, did you not think that this conversation was so timely given what's going on on Summer House? especially because of Schwartz's response, like, I would never disrespect you like that unless it were true love. Like, unless I knew, like, she's the one for me. Like, I just thought that this conversation was so timely because that's the right response.

Wendy (15:42.744)
Yeah, really, I know, right?

Wendy (15:53.496)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (16:01.588)
It definitely was.

Kelli (16:06.032)
You know, if I thought I couldn't live without this person, okay, but other than that, I would never do that.

Wendy (16:12.822)
Right, right, exactly, exactly. So we find out Jesse's been with Lacey for a year and a half. And he's like, I don't have a problem with Jason, but I don't like the way Janet treated Lacey. And my next statement is, seems like the common denominator of people not liking the way they're being treated is Janet. Like, it's Janet. The problem is Janet.

Kelli (16:15.248)
Yes.

Kelli (16:29.884)
Yeah.

Kelli (16:40.108)
It's Janet. And Jason said that when Jesse started dating Lacey, Janet made him block her.

Did you catch that? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, listen, I give Jason credit, he's a good husband, and this must be very hard to be, to keep this up with her. But I mean, if she was, if Lacey was sending people, Lacey seems a little chaotic. We've said this before.

Wendy (16:49.527)
No.

Wendy (16:55.02)
Okay.

Wendy (17:12.347)
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't think she's a picnic.

Kelli (17:16.908)
No, but that's why you don't get involved in your friends or your family members breakups or divorces or just try to stay as neutral as possible. Look it, it's a year later and Jessie and Michelle seem okay. She's never gonna be best friends with Lacey, but now Lacey's around and now there's tension between whoever who had a problem with Lacey when she first came around. Is it worth it?

Wendy (17:46.22)
Yeah.

So then we see Lala and Michelle go to Kyle Chan's store and Michelle wants to turn her engagement ring into a necklace, which by the way, that was a gorgeous engagement ring.

Kelli (18:03.247)
It was.

Wendy (18:04.91)
and the engagement in Paris in 2017 also really amazing.

Kelli (18:12.272)
Yeah, nobody was saying no to that.

Wendy (18:16.29)
Yeah, I think.

Kelli (18:18.246)
Whether he turned your stomach or not, nobody was turning that down. Yeah, that was, he pulled out all the stops for that.

Wendy (18:21.152)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (18:27.916)
He sure did. And I liked that Kyle said that you should set it the other way, horizontally, so that you don't, and I was like, my gosh, that's so smart. Like, I would never think of that, but I guess that's he's the jeweler.

Kelli (18:38.481)
Yeah.

Kelli (18:42.438)
Yeah.

Wendy (18:46.024)
And then Michelle said, you know, her goal for this year is just to get the actual divorce. But she's not so, she's not so angry anymore at Jesse. Like last year she just was so mad at him. But since her mother passed, she's kind of, you know.

Kelli (19:01.861)
It puts things in perspective.

Wendy (19:03.936)
It does, it definitely does, it does.

Kelli (19:06.384)
And what are you gonna do? Keep fight, and I'm not saying this to put any blame on Michelle because I think that Jesse, I'm sure, was a very difficult person to be married to and is even more difficult person to get a divorce from. What are you gonna do? Just keep fighting? Like you have a kid. You can't keep fighting, you have a kid.

Wendy (19:23.758)
Right.

Wendy (19:27.596)
And she said she doesn't want anything.

Kelli (19:30.266)
Right. I mean, he's getting off scot-free.

Wendy (19:31.49)
I mean, she's desi- Right, she doesn't want anything.

Kelli (19:35.632)
Yeah, I mean, that's the best case scenario for him.

Wendy (19:39.5)
Yeah. Then we see Brittany and Kristen and Jasmine all go out for dinner. my gosh. Just seeing Kristen sitting there. She couldn't even, I mean, she's got postpartum depression. Can somebody just please acknowledge this? I mean, why haven't we? Right. I mean, I'm not a doctor. I'm not a doctor, but.

Kelli (19:46.779)
Jazz.

Kelli (19:56.689)
Yes, yep, give her some medication, please. I did it, I went on, right.

Wendy (20:07.062)
when she can't sit at the table with her girlfriends without crying. I mean, let's help her. Can we just please help her?

Kelli (20:15.654)
I was a mess after I had Tess. I went on Prozac. It helped tremendously. Couple of months and then I weaned myself off, but I needed it to get over that hump. That was the first thing my doctor said to me when I went for one of my follow ups. She's like, need, you need minutes. Like this is a real thing. And do you know when I had Tess and I had the postpartum depression, I think I've said this on the podcast before, I'll keep it short. That's when Andrea Yates, remember that woman? She had

Wendy (20:18.53)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Wendy (20:26.428)
And there's nothing wrong with that.

Wendy (20:34.091)
Right. Yeah.

Wendy (20:44.651)
my gosh. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Kelli (20:44.956)
postpartum psychosis, I think they called it, and killed her children. And I, this is gonna be, I know this is controversial, but I just, I was in it. I was in the thick of postpartum depression and I just thought.

I of course felt awful for those babies, but I felt bad for her too. Like, if a mother was at the point where she could do that, that woman was ill. And I don't think her husband was listening to her when she was saying it.

Wendy (21:07.181)
Yeah.

Wendy (21:13.75)
Yes, absolutely.

Wendy (21:20.074)
sure if he's the husband that still visits his wife in jail. Is she the one who's in jail? So, I think it is her. So there was a woman that killed her children and she's still in jail or she's in a psychiatric facility, right? And she is still mentally where she was when the children died. And that was a long time ago. And he still goes to visit her.

Kelli (21:46.298)
my God.

Wendy (21:50.656)
every year. It may not be her. I'm going to have to look it up now that I'm giving so much information. Because he goes to visit her because they can talk. She's the only person he could talk about the children with and because she's still mentally there. And he understands that it wasn't her. She's been like it's come up that she can be like reevaluated for like a step down and things like that. She doesn't want to leave this place. She wants to stay here.

Kelli (21:53.85)
Yeah, we'll look it up. We'll look it up.

Wendy (22:20.558)
I have to look it up and see who that was because it just...

Kelli (22:22.544)
Yeah, we'll look that up, but that's heartbreaking. And she's never gonna get over that. And those poor babies, may they rest in peace.

Wendy (22:26.188)
Yeah, heartbreaking, heartbreaking. Yeah.

Wendy (22:32.148)
No. Yeah. So the reason we got to this is because poor Kristen is in the throes of it and she really needs to get help. And I feel bad for Luke too. I, I, listen, I know Luke, he's trying to, he's by himself too. He's a first time dad, his family's 2000 miles away. Like I know people are giving him a hard time. As a matter of fact, the Braav bros are like, he is the worst spokesperson for a new dad ever. I'm like, give that guy a break.

Kelli (22:48.191)
Mm-hmm. Yes.

Kelli (23:00.178)
God, what is wrong with them? And he even says on the after show, like, I'm not, you know, I'm not proud of how I felt and I know that my daughter's gonna see this one day. Like this guy's still living with how, you know, when Danny said that he and Nia said things to each other when they had their first child, that resonated with me because Eric and I did too. Like in the middle of the night, I can remember yelling to him, I hate you, because

Wendy (23:01.87)
That's what I said.

Wendy (23:15.352)
Yeah.

Kelli (23:29.964)
I couldn't find the binky. As if he hit the binky on purpose to create this situation for me. Like it's so, I remember it like it was yesterday. So now every time, especially like our nieces or our nieces and nephews when they're having their first child, I'm like, please remember that whatever you say to each other.

Wendy (23:32.675)
Right.

Wendy (23:36.186)
Right, right, right. And this was 20 something years ago and you remember it like it was yesterday.

Kelli (23:57.455)
in the middle of the night when you're sleep deprived cannot be held against you in the morning. You have to erase it from your memory. You're not in your right mind. You're out of your mind.

Wendy (24:08.173)
Right. Right. Yeah, no, I.

Kelli (24:10.884)
So I agree with you, I feel bad for Luke just as much as Kristen.

Wendy (24:16.002)
Yep. And they're both struggling. And I love that Danny gave him advice, you know, to go to counseling. And I love that he had the conversation with Kristen. And I love that she's like, yes, like, let's do this. Like, and they do. Well, they need that. And she needs to get medication. And he may too. And that's OK. You know I'm saying? Like, it's OK. This is life is not easy. It's hard. It's hard.

Kelli (24:34.138)
Yeah.

Right, absolutely, absolutely.

No, you, and I'm not saying marriage is easy, obviously marriage isn't easy. But once you add kids to the mix, and listen, when they say bigger kids, bigger problems, listen very carefully, because that ain't no joke, Wendy and I and Lori can attest to that. Different issues, different scenarios.

Wendy (24:46.681)
gosh, no.

Kelli (25:07.548)
I struggle nonetheless.

Wendy (25:09.676)
That's so true. That is so true. And guess what? We wouldn't change it for the world because that's what we do, right? Right? Wouldn't change it for the world.

Kelli (25:11.44)
You

Kelli (25:15.29)
No, no, you're right. You're right. Yep. Yep. No.

Wendy (25:22.452)
So, you know.

Kelli (25:23.238)
Well, I changed some things, but I'm okay.

Wendy (25:30.19)
So Jasmine and Brittany are there for Kristin. They're like, listen, if you need to come out with the girls, just let us know. And I think that's good that she's got the girls there to support her. And then we see at the cigar lounge, Danny does wind up showing up. It's Luke, Jesse, Tom, and Jason. And Danny shows up. Danny's not drinking. And.

You know, he makes a comment about that because he doesn't want to be accused of something. And Jason starts out by saying, I'm coming here with flowers today. No, you weren't. He said, I definitely regret the way I handled myself emotionally. lack of a better word, I was triggered. I'm very protective over my wife. was zero organized systematic things to take you down. Like, that never happened. OK, well, that's fine that that never happened. But there's things that did happen.

and she used...

Kelli (26:25.414)
There are things that did happen and it was systematic and it was planned and maybe it was just Jackson Janet and Jason wasn't involved, but between Jackson Janet, they were 100 % trying to take Danny down. And I'm sure it was headed by Jax because he was getting so much heat because of how he was treating Brittany.

Wendy (26:48.034)
Yeah, 100%. Yep. So then Danny said.

Kelli (26:52.038)
Dude, liked when, in Danny's confessional, he said, let's see what Janet, I mean, Jason has to say.

That was good.

Wendy (27:04.12)
Well Danny said, listen I'm not here to be friends with you to be honest. And Jason said, well I'm in the same boat. Danny said, great. I was like, okay well that was quick. And then poor Luke.

Kelli (27:12.602)
And I don't think Jason had that reaction had Danny not said it, but once he saw where Danny was coming from, he was like, all right.

Wendy (27:20.419)
Yeah.

And then Luke tried to step in and is like, listen, the first thing that needs to happen is the biggest apology needs to happen for the words that were said, the terminology that was used on the boat in Maui. And Luke said, this is something that not only hasn't been apologized for, but it has been backed up. You didn't let it go. Not only did you not apologize for it, but it's something that just kept on going.

And he said, like, listen, I'll talk. Like afterwards, I did tell Janet that I wish she didn't use that type of word and she feels the same way about that. Okay, well, then why did she bring it up again? Why does she double down on it?

Kelli (28:08.196)
And right. And, and again, like a lot of things could have been squashed in the off season. And I'm here for that. Like, because to me, if you apologize in the off season and you have a real conversation where the other person feels heard and feels like they can move on, to me, that's more genuine than doing it on camera. So Janet had this whole period of time, if she really thought she used the wrong words,

Wendy (28:32.61)
Definitely.

Kelli (28:37.786)
she would have reached out to them by now and at least said that. Like listen, I don't regret all of it, but I do regret saying these words. And I think that that would have went a long way with Danny and Nia.

Wendy (28:53.186)
Yeah, but still, I mean, the fact that...

Jason said, I'm rolling my eyes a little bit about the inexcusability. And then he's like, Danny, he's like, but I didn't do anything to you. Like I didn't do anything to Janet. And he's like, well, my wife was, my wife felt weird around you. Okay, well that was on her. What did I do to make her feel weird? you went in the closet and you closed the door when you had a drink and she couldn't have a conversation?

Kelli (29:25.596)
I wanna know where Janet grew up that people didn't just take a bottle and take a swig of it. Because where I grew up, people do that. And he probably didn't know you were in the pantry. We certainly know he wasn't in there to try to make a move on you. So he went in.

Wendy (29:36.174)
Yeah, right?

Wendy (29:49.079)
Right, right.

Kelli (29:51.749)
And he said it, I have some catching up to do. Listen, Danny likes to drink. I like to drink. If I showed up and my friends were eight hours into a drinking fiesta and I just got there, a bottle of wine would be consumed within one hour. I can assure you of that. And a glass may not be needed. So he probably didn't know she was in there. He certainly was not in any way trying to make her feel uncomfortable.

Wendy (30:09.23)
Yeah, he was trying to play catch up he was

Wendy (30:22.092)
And Danny even said, and I apologized to her for that. So again, she's holding on to something that really doesn't pertain to her.

Kelli (30:25.403)
Yeah.

Kelli (30:31.918)
No. No.

And again, it goes back to if Nia were your friend, if she was your true friend, you wouldn't be doing this. You wouldn't be doing this.

Wendy (30:41.176)
Right.

Kelli (30:49.296)
She just thinks she knows how to make good TV, Janet. But it backfired.

Wendy (30:57.55)
It's so funny too, because I wonder where she's at with her relationship with Sheena, since Lala and Sheena have fallen out, because she was close with Sheena. Janet was...

Kelli (31:09.306)
Yeah, well, that's how she got into this situation.

Wendy (31:14.028)
Right? Right? We'll have to wait and see. I'm curious about that. Then we... I might listen to Sheena's podcast and see if I find out anything. Boy, she's getting dragged all over the place right now, Sheena.

Kelli (31:18.788)
I'd be curious to hear too.

Kelli (31:27.887)
Is she?

Wendy (31:29.652)
Well, yeah. yeah. Didn't you?

Kelli (31:32.112)
cause Stassi came out and said what you told me the other night.

Wendy (31:34.958)
Well, the Vanderpump Villa, that came out on Hulu. Like that came out. And Stassi's like, yeah. And I mean, I've heard of being dragged all over the place. It's kind of funny, to be honest with you. And then even Lala mentioned her in her confessional. I was like, you gotta be kidding me.

Kelli (31:39.738)
Yeah.

Kelli (31:51.28)
I mean...

Kelli (31:59.037)
She sure did. I know.

Wendy (32:07.182)
I'll be honest with you, the next scene was Zach and Benji are shopping at the sex toy store. I really did not need to see that. Didn't need to see that scene. Could've done without that.

Kelli (32:17.646)
I just loved when they were talking about the, what, both ways Benji or both sides Benji or whatever, and there were a bunch of them and there was dust on the boxes. And he's like, well, I don't see a Zach. And he's like, that's because they're sold out.

Wendy (32:26.09)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Wendy (32:33.87)
That was funny. That was funny.

Kelli (32:38.402)
I literally laughed out loud to that.

Wendy (32:40.588)
That is funny. Yeah. Then we see Lala's getting extensions in with her daughter Sosa. Then Luke meets up with Dani and they're hanging out in Luke's garage. And Luke wants to dive into what happened to the cigar night. And listen, I love that he like apologized and said, my loyalty is to you. And I think he meant it. I do. think he was genuine.

Kelli (33:08.954)
I do too, but I understand where Luke's coming from. He said he was playing moderator more than being Danny's friend and he won't do that again. That was really nice. But I also don't blame him. Like this is an ensemble cast and I don't like when people get iced out except for Janet being iced out right now because I'm actually, I'm very much enjoying this show without her on it, but I like seeing Jason. So I understand.

Wendy (33:16.586)
Mm-hmm. I did too.

Wendy (33:27.148)
hahahaha

Wendy (33:35.736)
And we are.

Kelli (33:37.328)
Yeah. And I understand what Luke's saying. Like we don't, we don't want you to not be with us, but we got to figure this out.

Kelli (33:46.937)
I did also love that Luke said that Kristin wants to hang curtains to hang all this stuff because that is so something I would do. Like, let's just put a curtain up and then nobody can see behind it. Yeah. That's it.

Wendy (33:58.316)
And nobody will see it in the garage, right? Let's just hang a curtain.

It's the garage, Kristen. Let him have the garage. Who cares?

Kelli (34:06.266)
I let him have the garage. Listen, there's a reason I don't really go into my basement that often. It's because Eric has so much shit down there, I can't take it.

Wendy (34:15.246)
So Luke, you know, was telling him what happened with him going to Taco Bell with his friend and Kristen said you could stay out late and I just asked that you, you know, don't sleep, you know, sleep in bed with me and help me with the baby in the morning. And he got home late, fell asleep on the couch, was hungover. And of course, you know, of course she was pissed. Of course she was pissed.

Kelli (34:42.672)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (34:44.89)
But then we see him in his confessional where he's really opening. I mean, he was emotional. Luke was emotional in his confessional. I think that these are, like I said, I think he's going through it too.

Kelli (34:57.882)
Yeah, yeah. And that's when Danny tells him that he and Nia go to therapy when they get into a rut, like you said earlier. It's just great advice. It's good advice. We've done it. It's very helpful.

Wendy (34:59.291)
and I love that. Yeah.

Wendy (35:11.68)
It's absolutely helpful and it's also helpful like Danny said, like you have to have your own stuff. Like Nia knows I have to go work out in the morning or otherwise I'm irritable. I guess his thing is fishing. Like Luke's likes to go fishing. Your husband has his thing. My husband has his thing. You know, we have our thing. Like we all need our own time to do our own stuff.

Kelli (35:29.21)
Yeah, like I-

Kelli (35:34.277)
Yeah, and listen, you you forget, but Luke reminds us, like, he uprooted everything to move to LA with her. He left all of his family. He has nobody there except Kristen and her people. That's a lot. You you and I, we both grew up where we live. My husband did, your husband didn't, but his family's here now, and when you had kids, most of his family was here.

Wendy (35:41.774)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (35:50.22)
Yep. Absolutely.

Yeah.

Wendy (36:03.042)
Yeah.

Kelli (36:03.852)
It makes a difference to have that support system. And he doesn't.

Wendy (36:09.804)
Right, no, I totally agree. Yeah, two different time zones. Yeah.

Kelli (36:10.842)
I mean, they're in a different time zone.

Kelli (36:15.428)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (36:19.438)
So then we see at the Belmont, Michelle is there in Schwartz and then Michelle's friend Natalie comes and La La's there. Natalie was beautiful. Michelle and Natalie met when their kids were young and they both wound up leaving their husbands at the same time so they're kind of in the same situation. And Michelle wants to get Natalie and Tom together.

Kelli (36:28.998)
She was beautiful, Natalie.

Wendy (36:50.708)
So, my gosh, they're talking about the dating apps and Michelle said that in 2015, which like tracks because they got engaged in 2017, she swiped left on Jesse because he had a douchey picture.

Kelli (37:09.166)
And it was a douchey picture. If that's the picture he used, he's like leaning on an exotic car in front of like a house.

Wendy (37:13.401)
I bet you it was.

Yep, I mean, that's who he is though. I mean, I like him actually. I think he's funny. I think he's funny, but he's douchey. I mean, it is what it is. Yeah.

Kelli (37:19.448)
It's totally who he is. yeah. I think Jesse's growing on all of us. Now that he and Michelle are in a good place, like you can tolerate him. Cause he, you know, he wasn't, he wasn't nice. But when Lala said she slides into DMs, but she is not Sheena Shay and telling you everybody she has effed. I was like, Lala, this is why we needed you on this show.

Wendy (37:32.31)
Yeah.

Wendy (37:47.848)
and you didn't want her on.

Kelli (37:51.493)
I knew that she and Sheena, and I stand by this, I still don't understand why Sheena's not on this show, but I knew as soon as I text you, as soon as I heard they bought houses in the Valley, I'm like, here we go. But I don't like how hard La La rides for Janet, that's what I don't like. But I am, you're right, I wasn't thrilled that they were gonna be on the show because I felt like...

I didn't think we needed anybody, I guess other than Brittany and Jax really, from Vanderpump, but this is fine. Like Lala, Schwartze, good additions, good additions. And I'm happy for Lala because Randall is such a douchebag and he won't let, he won't let Ocean film. So I'm happy for her that, you know, she has Sosa, but I wish she could show Ocean, she's such a cute little girl.

Wendy (38:29.325)
Yeah.

Wendy (38:33.816)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (38:39.809)
I

Wendy (38:47.854)
Yeah, but you know what? She puts Ocean on her social media.

Kelli (38:50.51)
Yeah. Yeah. She does. She does.

Wendy (38:53.646)
So that's okay.

Kelli (38:55.078)
Yeah.

Wendy (38:57.356)
I don't know if you know this, but she has a podcast with Randall's ex, the two of them together.

Kelli (39:02.54)
I will definitely listen to that. I did not know that. I love that they have a good relationship.

Wendy (39:04.329)
It's so good. yeah, it's so good. It's,

They have such a good relationship. is so, it's actually very refreshing. It really is. Yeah.

Kelli (39:15.312)
Yeah, that's great. Did you watch the after show for this?

Wendy (39:21.526)
I did not.

Kelli (39:23.546)
because the next scene where Schwartz tells Natalie that she should do voiceover work, they're all clowning on him on the after show and the producers say like, imitate Schwartz when he's trying to flirt with a girl and Brittany does it to a T what he did. It's so funny.

Wendy (39:30.234)
my god.

After show.

Wendy (39:42.286)
you

Wendy (39:47.288)
Really? my god, I have to watch it.

Kelli (39:50.192)
They're all so funny imitating him trying to flirt. He really has no game. I think he does, but he acts like he doesn't.

Wendy (39:55.01)
He's still awkward.

I think that's the endearing thing about him, to be honest with you. Right? Because he is very smart. He's not dumb. He's very...

Kelli (40:02.074)
Yes. Yes. Yes.

No, he's very smart. Book smart, he's very smart, yes.

Wendy (40:10.346)
Mm-hmm. Did you watch Watch What Happens Live with him on?

Kelli (40:18.512)
Yes, because he was with Mia.

From Southern hospitality. Yes. Yes. Yes. Me too. Yes. Yes. I liked when they asked Mia, I forget what they asked her, but she looked at his girlfriend and she said, queen, like, can I answer? Cause it was something about Schwartz and you know, something where it would be uncomfortable to answer in front of someone's girlfriend without their permission.

Wendy (40:23.766)
yes, and his girlfriend is there, who we're gonna meet next week, which I'm excited for because she looks amazing for him.

Wendy (40:52.182)
that was nice I didn't even pick that up that is nice that is nice

Kelli (40:54.16)
Yeah, I thought that was very cool. Huge Mia fan.

Wendy (40:58.606)
What about summer from the nail salon showing up there?

Kelli (41:06.138)
mean, she said it. She said, don't be surprised if I show up. She said it.

Wendy (41:11.598)
She was so weird with her two fisted glasses in her hand asking for the lollipop, stick it in my mouth, then he goes outside and she...

Kelli (41:23.452)
She was probably so nervous. She probably went home from work that day and was like, you're not gonna fucking believe what happened. Tom Schwartz, Jesse Lolley, and Jason Janet's husband showed up, and they told me that Schwartz was gonna be at the Belmont tonight, and they told me I should go. And all her friends were probably like, you have to go. And she was probably like, all right. But she was probably so nervous.

And then they mic her up and just send her ass in there. She ordered two drinks at a time.

Wendy (41:56.088)
The Chihuahua hair?

Kelli (42:00.637)
when they flashed back to Lala with that hair. I I had that hair in high school circa 1992, Lala. Shih Tzu hair.

Wendy (42:07.608)
Shih Tzu, no the Shih Tzu hair, the Shih Tzu hair. And the fact that Kristin said it about her in her confessional, I was like, my God, this is great TV. I totally forgot about it.

Kelli (42:13.564)
You

Kelli (42:18.744)
It's so good. The flashbacks to VPR are amazing.

my god.

Wendy (42:29.624)
But by the way, did you hear La La say, if Tom doesn't make a move on Natalie, maybe I will with that ass.

Kelli (42:35.739)
I

Kelli (42:39.13)
And I think she would have.

Wendy (42:41.353)
she definitely would have.

Kelli (42:42.864)
Don't sleep on Lala. She's gonna get hers.

Wendy (42:44.91)
No, That that was I mean that was a fun thing so that kind of stuff I enjoy that like I enjoy that banter I love seeing them go out and have fun. I'd like that awkward summer standing there like this is fun. I enjoy watching this

Kelli (42:52.912)
Sure.

Kelli (43:02.438)
This is great and when Natalie tells Schwartz, I think you have ADD.

Kelli (43:11.772)
Somewhere Katie, Katie Maloney was like, yes, yes he does.

Wendy (43:18.798)
Um, are you gonna watch that new Stassi show that's coming on Hulu? No? Katie Maloney's gonna be on it. Okay. It's gonna be a pass.

Kelli (43:25.41)
I don't think I can. Yeah, I'm not, I can't. I don't know. I do like Stassi, I just don't think it's gonna, I don't think it's gonna go anywhere. So I don't know if I wanna invest my time. I think it's her and her, I think it's her, Bo and the kids. I think so, I think it's about her family.

Wendy (43:37.759)
I don't even know what it's about to be honest with you. Yeah, I don't know what it's even about.

is it?

Wendy (43:50.53)
I might watch it then, because that's kind of interesting to me. I'd to know what's going on over there.

Kelli (43:55.055)
I might be, I might be convinced, but yeah, Schwartz cannot navigate this, this dual courting at all.

Wendy (43:58.409)
Wendy (44:04.108)
my God, what did he say? What did he say? What were his words? I'm not cut out for this. What did he say? no, I don't have the skillset to navigate this. Those were his exact words. I don't have the skillset to navigate. No, you don't. No, you don't. Now, meanwhile, if it was Sandoval there, my God, it would have been, right?

Kelli (44:25.139)
my god. He'd have them on opposite sides of the room. He'd be sashaying his way back and forth.

Wendy (44:33.142)
Yep. Yep.

So then we see at Luke and Kristin's house, Brittany, Tom, and Zach are there to babysit. And we find out that Tom and Zach gave Luke and Kristin a gift certificate for babysitting time. I think was it four hours or something? And.

Kelli (44:53.564)
Yes, and on the after show, Nia goes, oh, they gave us a coupon too. Kristin goes, don't use it. And then they flashed a Zach talking to Jasmine. He's like, oh my God, we gave one to Nia and Danny too. And then Jasmine says something about four kids. He's like, four kids?

Wendy (45:11.918)
That's so funny!

Kelli (45:15.036)
I don't think me and Danny are cashing in on that coupon though

Wendy (45:19.168)
I don't think so. Well, listen, Kristin wouldn't have done it without Brittany there.

Kelli (45:22.396)
Who would? my god.

Wendy (45:29.07)
So they leave at 7.56 and then we see them playing darts and it's 8.11 and Kristen's like, should we spy on them?

You have been gone 15 minutes. We've got 15 minutes. I think it was... I think they were down the street. I think they probably walked there. It was so close.

Kelli (45:44.966)
How did you even get there that quick? He did say though, we could literally be home in a minute if there's an emergency.

Kelli (45:55.121)
Maybe it was like, no, they're in a house now. I was gonna say maybe it's like the bottom floor of their building, but now they're in a house now.

Wendy (45:58.168)
Yeah.

So they pull it up on the camera to spy on them and her cup is in the way. They're like, move the cup. I'm like, this is ridiculous. my gosh.

Kelli (46:14.691)
Wendy (46:17.772)
But then they were having fun and having pizza, playing darts, but then it comes out, like Kristen's like, I'm mad at you, and Luke's like, well, I feel like you're mad at me a lot. And she's like, well, you make promises that involve you coming home and you didn't do it. And he's like, well, she's like, I feel like you don't give an F about me. And he's like, well, I feel like you don't give an F about me. And they kind of put it all out there, which I think they needed to have.

Kelli (46:45.914)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (46:47.106)
I think they needed to do that. I don't know if you noticed this,

let.

Luke said last time I asked you to show me a little empathy about something, you said your life is so hard and Luke went in super hard on me. And then Kristen takes off her glasses and said, let's talk about it. I was like, oh, why is she taking off her glasses to talk? normally take off your glasses if you're gonna get into a fight, don't you? Like, why are you taking off your glasses?

Kelli (47:13.916)
She did take off her glasses, I noticed that.

Kelli (47:22.14)
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yes.

Wendy (47:25.582)
I was like, why is she taking off her glasses?

Kelli (47:28.55)
She was ready to throw down.

Wendy (47:31.776)
And Luke's like, listen, I tried to talk to you about, and you'd like, either you shut it down or you'd say like, this isn't right now, or I'm tired, I'm gonna go to bed. And I get it, like when you're in the midst of it, you don't wanna talk about it, you don't.

Kelli (47:45.188)
Nah, you don't. You don't.

Wendy (47:47.242)
So yeah, and then Kristen's like, is this because I don't F you? And he's like, no, like why are you even bringing that up? Because I mean, that was a big part of the storyline for the beginning of this. I mean, we're only on episode four. I mean, that was a big part of it. But I guess, you know, he's gotten past that, right?

Kelli (48:02.554)
Yes. Yes. Yes.

Kelli (48:11.344)
Yeah, and listen, to the kids at home listening, this is like real shit. This is like real. This is really what goes on when you have a baby.

Wendy (48:16.365)
Yeah.

Wendy (48:22.07)
Mm-hmm. Yep.

Kelli (48:23.494)
They're not even married yet, right?

Wendy (48:26.048)
No, they're not. Nope.

Kelli (48:28.294)
Yeah, this is real shit.

Wendy (48:32.532)
And, you know, Luke's like, I'm not allowed to be having a hard time, only you are. And Kristen's like, it's, you know, we can both play the cards. They could be different cards. It's not like, you know.

Kelli (48:44.678)
Yeah.

Wendy (48:46.486)
That's when he tells us about how far away he was.

But then Kristen brings up in her first trimester.

She thought Luke was gonna leave her, because they had a big fight. And she...

Kelli (49:01.734)
Yeah, and he said, I can't do this anymore.

Wendy (49:05.994)
Right. Right.

And you know, she sat down in her confessional and she broke it down for us, which again, I would like to say, I think is very brave of her. I'm glad that she did this. You know, she said there was one specific day when things weren't really working and I was having all these like meltdowns and Luke's like, I can't do this anymore. And then I'm sure that made her have another meltdown and she's in her first trimester. She's completely hormonal. She doesn't know what's going on. He doesn't know what's going on. And...

She's like, I would never do that. And they get through it. They're like, no, I love you, I love you. But in the back of her mind, this is something that is still weighing on her, which is really why therapy will help. Because they need to just talk it through, right? The fact that she brought it up and she remembered it with specific details like that, she's got to talk about it. She's got to just move on from it and put it away.

Kelli (49:53.616)
Yes, yes.

Kelli (50:01.66)
Yes.

Kelli (50:06.62)
Yes, yeah, because I don't think Luke's going anywhere. really don't. Like, I think she found a normal guy. Like, I don't think this guy's a clout chaser. I don't think he was like, let me date Kristin Doty because one day she might be on a reality TV show again. Like, you know what I mean? I don't get that vibe from him at all as opposed to Brandon who screamed that vibe. And quite honestly, Dara from Summer House. But that's a whole other conversation. Why is she on the?

Wendy (50:10.796)
He's not going anywhere.

Wendy (50:26.082)
I don't either. my gosh.

Kelli (50:35.43)
fucking couch at the reunion.

Wendy (50:38.862)
Why do you get so activated about things?

Kelli (50:40.604)
I can't take it. Cause this girl obviously just wants to be on the show. And if she hurts KJ, I am going to have a problem. I know, I know. just, get very nervous. I get very nervous, but I digress back to the Valley. I don't think Luke gives those vibes at all.

Wendy (50:49.016)
think her and Keiji are good together. I mean...

Wendy (50:55.712)
Okay. Yes, you do. Back to the, I mean, we're, no, he doesn't. If anything, he's awkward on camera. He doesn't want to be there, but he does it for Kristen. Right? I don't, I mean, he's a little awkward, which is fine because he should be awkward. It is an awkward thing, right? Definitely not a, it's not a, he's not a cloud chaser. And that's pretty much where it ends, but the scenes for next week.

Kelli (51:07.418)
Right. Right. I agree.

Kelli (51:12.336)
Yeah. It's a very awkward thing, yeah.

Kelli (51:21.158)
I mean, he says he loves her and he's never leaving and he thinks they should do couples counseling and then she leaves.

Kelli (51:31.332)
I mean, I thought he said all the right things.

Wendy (51:35.532)
Yeah. Yeah, I think they're going to be okay if they do counseling. Yeah. But then we see next week, Janet's crying, so we're going to have to see Janet, but I hope they give it to her. I hope they tell her what she needs to do. I hope they stop, you know.

Kelli (51:39.972)
I do too. I do too.

Kelli (51:48.954)
I know.

Wendy (51:56.814)
They have to tell her the truth. She's wrong. She has to apologize and They don't have to accept her apology either, but at least she has to do it and mean it

Kelli (51:57.35)
Yeah, I mean.

Kelli (52:01.806)
I I can't believe it. Right, right. And that's the thing, like the first episode when she went up to Jasmine, and I think it was maybe the second episode, and she was like, we need to have a conversation or something. You could tell that Jasmine was not really feeling it. And I think in her head, she was probably like, bitch, we could have done this off camera. Like if you really wanted to move forward,

Wendy (52:24.792)
Right.

Kelli (52:29.626)
You would have reached out to me in the last however many months we weren't filming. We know they're real friends. We know there's a real friendship there. Well, they were, right.

Wendy (52:33.9)
And not only that,

Well, they were, they were, because, right. And not only that, when Janet was done speaking, she said to Jasmine, is there anything that you'd like to say to me? Like she was looking for an apology.

Kelli (52:51.772)
I mean, yeah. So bad. And then with the conversation with Nia, it was even worse. Like, what are you doing?

Wendy (52:53.046)
I'm like, you are bad at this. You're really bad at this.

Wendy (53:01.174)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Kelli (53:05.116)
She's very entitled, Janet.

Wendy (53:08.034)
really is. She is. Alright so that's it for the valley. I guess until next time thank you for watching and listening. Please subscribe and give us five star reviews. Bye!

Kelli (53:21.5)
Bye.