RHOBH-Chanel, Candles, and Crossing the Line

RHOBH-Chanel, Candles, and Crossing the Line

RHOBH S15 E6 – “Star Signs and Bad Times”

Podcast Summary

This episode opens with solo scenes that quietly set the tone: Kyle can’t find the right keys (a metaphor if there ever was one), Sutton insists she doesn’t need an assistant, Erika finds peace in flower arranging, and Rachel drops serious money at What Goes Around Comes Around while casually flexing a five-figure shopping spree.

Boz shares a vulnerable update on her fertility journey—six viable follicles and a looming egg retrieval in Vegas with Keeley by her side. The emotional stakes rise later when Rachel reveals they were only able to retrieve two eggs, a moment that grounds the episode in real-life gravity.

Amanda opens up about the devastating loss of her newborn son Zion, who passed away five days after being born prematurely. The anniversary of his death falls on the same day as Rachel’s psychic dinner party—a detail unknown to most of the group and one that will later explode into one of the most uncomfortable dinner scenes of the season.

Dorit, meanwhile, is in full reinvention mode. She meets with a new management team, celebrates a Roller Coaster magazine feature, and reveals she’s signed a book deal—prompting side-eye from Erika and confusion over ghostwriters versus co-authors.

At Rachel’s candlelit, power-outage psychic dinner (thank God for her “600 candles”), fashion takes center stage: Jennifer Tilly arrives draped in celestial drama, Rachel wears a sheer gold look topped with a crown, and Erika immediately labels a guest’s outfit “expensive hoe.” No notes.

But the real tension hits when Sutton confronts Jennifer about comments Kyle allegedly relayed—claiming Sutton is “problematic” and the reason Garcelle distanced herself. After a tearful and messy exchange, Jennifer admits she vented but doesn’t remember exactly what she said. Sutton apologizes for snapping, and the two attempt to reset.

Then comes the emotional gut punch.

A conversation about Dorit’s divorce spirals when it’s revealed Amanda once expressed concern—secondhand, via Kyle and Sutton—about Dorit discussing PK’s alcoholism publicly. As Dorit presses Amanda for clarity, Amanda breaks down, revealing this is the anniversary of her son’s death. The table goes silent. The timing is brutal. The room is mortified.

Amanda leaves the party in tears, saying she just wants to go home and hug her husband. Kathy Hilton steps in, urging Dorit to apologize. Dorit tries—but Amanda asks not to be touched. The episode ends with emotional wreckage, unresolved tension, and the reminder that sometimes reality TV gets a little too real.

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Transcript

Wendy (00:01.569)
Hi, welcome to Wee Wine Whenever, I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:05.066)
I'm Kelly.

Lori (00:06.409)
And I'm Lori with the cold, so I might sneeze. I might blow the schnoz. I'm going to try and refrain, but just this is how it is. I don't know what to tell you. I'll try my best. You gotta do what you gotta do. That's it.

Wendy (00:19.519)
You gotta do what you gotta do. You gotta do what you gotta do.

So we're talking about Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, season 15, episode number six, star signs and bad times. That's not bad. With the tarot card reader.

Lori (00:35.123)
Hmm, not bad.

Kelli (00:36.718)
I mean, I like the star signs, but why bad times? because of the way it ended. I shouldn't do that. I shouldn't say that.

Lori (00:38.259)
Yeah.

Wendy (00:40.693)
Well, Amanda. Well, yeah.

Lori (00:41.629)
Yeah, there you go. Yeah, there you go.

Wendy (00:45.601)
So we start, yeah, we start out with the ladies. Like I said, I kind of like how they do this one. We see them doing all different things. So Kyle's at her house and she's trying to get in one of her cars. We see all these black cars and she doesn't have the keys to get in them. She's trying to figure out.

Lori (00:46.761)
Well, it's okay to ask a question.

Kelli (01:03.126)
I have to be honest with you. I think it's ridiculous and-

I hope my one cousin isn't listening to this because they do this with their cars. But they all like the four like luxury vehicles. It just looks ridiculous. Like.

Wendy (01:23.849)
listen, if I had them, I would do the same thing.

Kelli (01:26.727)
Everybody has to have a black car. I mean, I have a black car.

Lori (01:31.933)
Ha

Wendy (01:34.241)
I don't even like a black car.

Kelli (01:34.382)
But it just, I've just.

Lori (01:34.545)
Listen, was watching that episode and I was thinking, boy that's kind of like a really good problem to have is you can't get out of your driveway because you got too many cars. So, okay, I'm not feeling bad for you, Kyle. That's what I was thinking. No, I'm not feeling bad.

Wendy (01:45.258)
Right.

Kelli (01:46.519)
Well, yeah, of course. Of course.

Kelli (01:53.046)
No, no, we're not feeling bad for her. Although, all that money she has, the one thing she does want is her husband and she can have it, so I kinda do feel bad for her.

Wendy (01:58.433)
So then we see.

Lori (02:03.581)
There you go, there you go. New.

Wendy (02:05.461)
Yeah, money isn't everything.

Kelli (02:07.03)
Right. Right.

Wendy (02:09.973)
We see Sutton opening packages by herself. She notes she doesn't need an assistant to open packages.

Kelli (02:15.638)
I thought it was interesting that she made that comment though. Like, I don't, like, I'm doing this without an assistant. Like she's, she's, you know, making it known. Like, I got rid of Avi because I don't need an assistant. I didn't replace him with somebody else. Right? Whether that's true or not, she made a point of putting that out there. Right. Right. Somebody loosened up those boxes.

Wendy (02:18.753)
Of course it was.

Wendy (02:23.381)
Justifying it.

Lori (02:30.471)
Right.

Wendy (02:33.471)
Yeah, right. At least not anyone who's going to be on camera.

Lori (02:36.499)
Yeah, good for her.

Lori (02:40.649)
Alright.

Kelli (02:43.916)
Somebody cut the tape on the seams before she got there.

Wendy (02:44.565)
Hehehehehe

Lori (02:45.725)
Yes, that's where she got it. The dog did it with their nails. see all the dogs running around.

Wendy (02:51.553)
But she got stuff for her horses like I thought that was yeah, and then we see

Lori (02:56.113)
Yes. And then listen, it's, it's very expensive to have a horse. My friend has a horse and there's a lot of accoutrements that go with a horse and there's a lot of things that you have to buy and it's, it's very, very expensive.

Kelli (02:58.124)
the dogs thought it was for them.

Kelli (03:12.418)
Yeah, I think those dogs thought that that stuff was for them. They were like a new bed and they jump on it.

Wendy (03:13.761)
Sutton can afford it.

Lori (03:15.921)
Yeah, yeah, of course. They're like, what is this shit? Where's the dog toy?

Wendy (03:21.793)
That was probably tomorrow's Erica's arranging flowers at her house and cleaning her backyard. I thought, okay, that's fine. Like last week she was doing her lint trap, which is good. I like to see it to be quite honest with you.

Lori (03:25.63)
Yeah.

Kelli (03:25.954)
Yeah.

Lori (03:38.469)
Yep. Yep.

Kelli (03:39.448)
First episode she was washing her cars in her stiletto sneakers. She's really getting her hands dirty this season.

Wendy (03:42.685)
Yep. Yep.

Lori (03:43.337)
There you go. Yes.

Wendy (03:46.325)
She is. Finally, Kyle finally gets the keys to her car and she's having a hard time backing up because of the way they're parked.

Lori (03:54.419)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (03:54.734)
That's what I mean! Be smart about it, people. I mean, at least my cousin had one big driveway. You could back each car out.

really hope she's not listening.

Wendy (04:05.729)
Okay, well, that's all right. I'm sure she, you know. Yeah. Rachel goes into a store. I love the name of it. What goes around comes around. So it must be a consignment shop, which I would love to go to a consignment shop like that. I mean, not that I could afford anything, but why not?

Lori (04:07.593)
Whatever. Just worse things you could say.

Lori (04:15.731)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (04:15.79)
Mmm.

Yes.

in Beverly Hills, yeah. But maybe it's a consignment shop. I'm thinking like Goodwill. Imagine going to like a Goodwill in LA.

Lori (04:24.315)
Yeah, yeah.

Lori (04:28.745)
that yeah, in Lake Beaver Hills area, that would be that would be. That would be the good that would be a good thing. Yeah.

Wendy (04:28.989)
No, no, it's not goodwill.

Kelli (04:32.908)
or Beverly Hills, well they probably don't have one in Beverly Hills.

Wendy (04:36.875)
Probably not. So as soon as she walks in, she sees her Chanel Black Caviar Supermodel XL bag that is listed for $11,500. And she's looking at a Chanel medallion necklace that is $4,200.

Lori (04:45.415)
Okay.

Mm-hmm.

Lori (04:54.813)
Now wait a second, I just gotta tell you, we had a new Goodwill open in a town just one town away from us and even though I didn't feel good, my daughter dragged me there today and I laughed hysterical because on the rack was a Rachel Zoe outfit.

Wendy (05:14.933)
That's great.

Lori (05:14.985)
Lamp. It's cute though.

Kelli (05:17.398)
It's just timely that she was at a consignment shop last night. Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (05:19.079)
Yeah, it's cute, but it is just really funny.

Wendy (05:19.338)
Yes.

That is funny. Boz meets her there and as she arrives, she's trying on, Rachel's trying on a Chanel crop jacket that's 4,200 and Boz clocks her right away. She's like, did you come in with that? And she's like, no, I'm just trying it on now.

Kelli (05:39.096)
So when the salesperson says, Aliyah.

It made me just think of Clueless. Did you guys watch Clueless? When she gets mugged and she's like, this is an alaya.

Wendy (05:48.25)
yes.

Wendy (05:53.569)
That's so funny.

Lori (05:53.731)
no.

Kelli (05:55.63)
The guy's like, give me the jacket. And she's like, it was an alaya.

Wendy (05:59.618)
Yeah.

Lori (06:00.297)
I think it was funny. But Rachel, definitely, I liked her in the store because she was like me like, oh, oh, look at this. And oh, look at that. Like, I'm like that. if I'm like the bird that she sees, the like shiny babble, I'm like, oh, look at the pretty, oh, look at the pretty. And that's how she was. It was funny.

Kelli (06:17.954)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (06:22.891)
So Boze is trying on a Rolex watch for $10,800 and we find out that she is going, this morning she just had an ultrasound done, because she's going in few days to get her eggs retrieved and the ultrasound showed, I'd never heard this term before, that she was showing six egg houses. When I was going through IUI, they referred to it as follicles.

I don't know if a follicle is the same thing as an egg house, but I don't know.

Kelli (06:55.308)
Maybe follicle is not politically correct anymore, so they had to rename it. Follicle clearly offended someone somewhere along the lines, and we're now referring to them as egg houses.

Wendy (06:58.641)
maybe.

Lori (06:59.751)
Maybe. Could be.

Lori (07:04.389)
Yeah, so now...

Yes. I was wondering like, why she, I mean, maybe it was just personal preference or something, why she didn't go to somewhere in California. You know, why she has to go to, yeah, to, yeah. Yeah. was just wondering.

Wendy (07:10.219)
This could be, that could be it. could definitely be it.

Kelli (07:23.884)
I'm sure she was recommended to wherever she's going.

Wendy (07:27.209)
I was wondering the same thing though, because from what I understand, Beverly Hills has like the state of the art right. And I thought to myself the same thing, but there's gotta be some reason she chose that place. So Rachel's talking about, she's having a dinner party and obviously she knows Bo's can't go. And they start talking about the Sedona and...

Lori (07:32.275)
Great places. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (07:32.323)
Yeah.

Lori (07:37.715)
Who knows? Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah, she's got her reasons.

Wendy (07:53.395)
She's like, Rachel's saying about herself, she's like, you know, I'm kind of like a wing it kind of person, but I feel like Amanda needs everything to be like systematic, like very scheduled and regimented.

Kelli (08:07.63)
Well.

Wendy (08:07.729)
She thinks.

Kelli (08:10.35)
know if that's a we talked about it last week if you tell me dinners at 745 and we don't eat until midnight I'm definitely going to comment on

Lori (08:20.868)
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

Wendy (08:21.516)
definitely. Me too.

Kelli (08:22.678)
I mean, you know, I don't, I mean, who knows? Maybe, I'm sure they're seeing a lot more than we're seeing, but so far, that's the only thing we've seen that would lead to that comment.

Lori (08:32.147)
Yeah.

Wendy (08:32.255)
Yeah.

Bose thinks the fact that her friend, she, what she said about Avi was very deliberate and she was really trying to, yes, I agree. I think it was very deliberate. Right.

Lori (08:41.641)
Of

and have a moment.

Kelli (08:44.514)
Yeah. Yes. Yeah.

Wendy (08:50.123)
Then we see Amanda's at her rented house in Newport Beach because they went there on vacation and the kids really enjoyed it and she really enjoyed it. So they rented this house for a year so that they can go there and spend time together. I would love that. I mean, looks like being right there on the beach. Yeah.

Lori (09:05.565)
Yeah, I wouldn't. It's a beach house. It's a shore house.

Kelli (09:11.01)
Yeah, love a beach house, yeah.

Wendy (09:11.339)
Yeah.

Yeah. And she's telling her husband about the Sedona trip and what she said to Sutton and then what Sutton's reaction was. And he kind of is like, I guess she doesn't really know you because, like, I don't know. I thought his reaction was weird.

Lori (09:32.797)
Yeah, he says, yeah.

Kelli (09:32.876)
He said, a couple more strikes and you'll cut her off.

Lori (09:36.231)
Yeah, when he gets a few more strikes before you cut a bitch down. That's what he said.

Wendy (09:41.085)
Yeah, like what does that mean?

Lori (09:43.017)
Yeah, like.

Kelli (09:43.725)
That was a very odd response, I agree. And I'm sorry, but I don't get the big tough girl vibe from Amanda. Especially because from what I understand from listening to other podcasts, your whole shtick is about your vibe. So I think you want your vibe to be a more positive thing than mob wives.

Wendy (09:47.744)
Yeah.

Lori (09:54.394)
No, no.

Lori (10:12.561)
Yeah, yeah, I was like, what does he, yeah, it's like, nah, I don't see it. That's what I was saying to myself. Just don't see it.

Kelli (10:14.422)
It was very strange.

Kelli (10:18.764)
Yeah, not at all.

Wendy (10:23.809)
So then a producer asks Rachel if she would ever read Amanda's book called Rich's The F Word and she's like, no, I would never read a book called that. Which I thought was so funny.

Lori (10:35.453)
Yeah, she said she can't figure out her, this was great though when she said this, said she can't figure out her authenticity. I'm like, okay.

Kelli (10:44.238)
Mm-hmm.

And what Boz said I thought was really interesting and spot on. Like if you want to write a book about how to become successful and rich, you have to show that you did something prior to getting there. But she's getting rich off of telling people to manifest becoming wealthy.

Lori (11:03.475)
main.

Lori (11:12.009)
But I looked into her a little bit and not only that, she is also making a lot of money selling courses to almost like multi-level marketing, selling courses to have people do what she does with other people.

Kelli (11:22.956)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (11:23.83)
Yeah.

Kelli (11:28.438)
yeah.

Kelli (11:33.197)
Right, she's got something, I don't know if you guys listen to Reality Court with Anna and what's his face? But yeah, Ace, he went into it, like he really looked at the website. She's got one thing where she only accepts 12 people and they pay $47,000 and they're in this like elite group with her. I don't know what they do, but.

Wendy (11:41.375)
Yeah. Ace.

Lori (11:56.467)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (12:02.414)
47 grand and then there's another thing where you pay $200 a month and you get voice notes from her like three or four times a week

Lori (12:04.475)
I also...

Lori (12:12.167)
Right. I also saw a thing where she's also kind of criticized because most things like that have like a, you know, like a one or two day window to cancel. Hers is like something really obnoxious. Like, I don't remember what it was. Like you got like eight hours, you know what I mean? Before, know, yeah. So that was another thing people were like, you know.

Wendy (12:12.939)
Stop it.

Kelli (12:31.618)
Like three hours?

Kelli (12:40.61)
Wow, I've never heard of that.

Lori (12:42.449)
Yeah, that's another thing that I read that her, you know, her cancellation time was really short.

Wendy (12:52.833)
I wonder if that's legal.

Kelli (12:54.73)
I was just thinking that because quite honestly, I don't think it is. I don't think it is because even when it, mm-hmm, and even when it says no refunds, you can still get around it.

Lori (12:54.875)
It must be.

Wendy (12:59.199)
I don't either. Especially if it's a contract.

it is.

Lori (13:08.744)
Right, you guys are so good around it, yeah. And that was just something I read somewhere. Could be totally untrue, you know, but that was just something that I read.

Wendy (13:18.945)
So we see Amanda's back talking to Eddie and she's asking if anyone cried about her not being there when she was gone for three nights. And he said no. He said though, she's like not even at bedtime. And he's like, well, bedtime was a little odd. then we find out, I had no idea about this, that three years ago she had twins, Kanan and Zion, because she had to have an emergency C-section in the middle of the night and they were 11 weeks early.

and Zion wound up dying at five days old. And Canaan was in the NICU for 68 days, which is horrible. It's absolutely horrible. And that this coming up Friday is the anniversary of Zion's death. so he was saying that he actually felt him. He had Canaan lying on his chest and he felt him. guess he feels him. He feels his presence.

Kelli (13:56.079)
That's horrible. Terrible, terrible, Yeah.

Lori (13:56.968)
Horrible, horrible.

Wendy (14:16.299)
which I do believe in things like that. feel like, yeah. And later on she talks about that she doesn't really feel, she doesn't feel him like Eddie does. And that's something that, yeah, yeah.

Kelli (14:18.133)
absolutely.

Lori (14:20.253)
Most definitely.

Lori (14:26.706)
Right.

Kelli (14:27.736)
she doesn't get those interactions.

Lori (14:31.133)
Well, I just think that is something that I don't think I would be able to discuss on television. It's just not something I would be able to just lay it out there and talk about. I don't know, to me, it just would be too painful, too private, and it's just not something I could ever do. That's just me.

Wendy (14:57.791)
No, I get it. mean, yeah, everyone's different, exactly.

Lori (15:01.353)
And it's gotta be tough having that twin thing because like she said, every milestone is a heartbreak because you're always thinking of the other twin that's not there. So that's gotta be really rough.

Kelli (15:05.262)
Mm.

Yeah.

Kelli (15:15.448)
Yeah.

I agree, yeah.

Wendy (15:21.813)
Next we meet Dorit's new management team. They're going out to lunch and she's got Claudia and Emma there. And they have a surprise for her and they hand her the Rollercoaster Magazine editorial about herself. I've never heard of Rollercoaster Magazine. It was.

Lori (15:36.228)
No, never heard of that.

Kelli (15:37.826)
Me neither, but it was a great picture. Has anybody noticed that Doree is losing her fake accent?

Wendy (15:43.457)
no, I haven't. But now that you mentioned it, I do.

Lori (15:46.919)
Yes, I did.

Kelli (15:47.457)
You have to start like really listening when she talks once in a while she has that little, you know, flair, but for the most part, she's speaking like us. I mean, she grew up in Connecticut, so she's not too far away.

Lori (15:54.107)
affectation.

Wendy (16:00.757)
That's so funny.

Lori (16:02.065)
Yeah, I don't know what that's about.

Kelli (16:05.002)
I mean, listen, maybe they really were traveling back and forth to Europe, but she picked things up. I mean, it was very Madonna fake accent because I married a Brit, you know?

Lori (16:12.029)
Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, Right. Yeah. Well, maybe, you know, when she be maybe she was I mean, she wasn't around him a whole lot, but maybe being around him. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know.

Wendy (16:18.421)
Yeah.

Kelli (16:28.686)
Yeah, yeah, that, yeah, of course.

Well, she's losing it either way.

Wendy (16:33.579)
So she, yeah, that's good though. That's good. She's telling her team that she needs to be busy. She likes to be busy. She needs to make money. And then she lets us know and they tell us that she just signed a book deal. So that's awesome.

Kelli (16:48.618)
I will read it. by the way, I started Sigi Flicker's book.

Lori (16:50.259)
You will.

Wendy (16:53.439)
You did?

Kelli (16:54.552)
Just, I just gotta get through my housewives books, certain ones. But yes, I'll read Dorit's book for sure.

Wendy (16:56.075)
Just a... Okay. Okay.

Okay.

Lori (17:03.217)
Well, it'll certainly be cathartic for her. I don't know about profitable, but I think it'll be cathartic.

Kelli (17:11.296)
Yeah, I don't know if she's gonna be hitting the best sellers list.

I don't know if she's a big enough fan fave for that to happen, you know?

Lori (17:20.146)
Yeah, yeah.

Wendy (17:22.165)
I guess we'll have to wait and see, right?

Lori (17:23.539)
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Kelli (17:23.662)
We'll see. We'll see. I hope so. For her, I really hope so.

Lori (17:26.792)
Yeah, sure.

Wendy (17:29.343)
Yeah. So then we see Kyle meets up with Sutton at the Elevate Infrared Sauna and watching those two sit in that sauna with the red lights was interesting. I agree with Kyle. mean, they were just in Sedona hiking in 110 degrees. Like, why would they pick to go to a sauna? Like, whose idea was that? You know?

Kelli (17:43.918)
You

Lori (17:52.848)
I don't know.

Kelli (17:52.931)
Were they in a Himalayan pink salt, Himalayan salt room? They were, like what we went to at our, okay. Okay, that's what I thought they were doing.

Wendy (17:56.735)
Now.

Lori (17:56.777)
No, it wasn't a salt room. No, it was not. No, it was not a salt room. No.

Wendy (17:59.965)
No. No. No.

Lori (18:03.527)
That's what I need this week is a Himalayan salt room for this head cold thing of mine. That would be great.

Kelli (18:08.45)
Yeah, you really do. Yeah, to unstuff yourself. Go to one tomorrow.

Wendy (18:16.213)
Yeah. So they start talking about, Kyle starts talking to Sutton about if she spoke to Jennifer and Sutton's like, well, we were rooming together. I speak to her every day. And Kyle's like, no, after the night that you snapped at us, like, and then Sutton's like, well, did she say something? I feel like that whole conversation like was disjointed because obviously that's what they were there to talk about. And they didn't say what was said, right?

Kelli (18:44.056)
Kyle had already told her everything.

Wendy (18:45.939)
Right, right, right. And I was like, God.

Lori (18:46.035)
Of course. Kyle couldn't wait to tell her.

Kelli (18:48.354)
Yes, yes. Totally agree. She probably told her on the plane ride home. Or texted to her right after Jennifer and she had that conversation.

Lori (18:53.159)
Yeah

Wendy (18:54.506)
Yeah.

Lori (18:56.43)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Wendy (18:59.165)
Yeah, so Sutton is very surprised. She's very surprised to hear that because she feels like, you know, Jennifer has seen how sad she's been the last few months and, you know, she didn't expect her to say that. And I kind of get that she didn't expect her to say that, but you can't keep treating your friends that way. You can't keep snapping at your friends and not expect them to have a feeling about it.

Lori (19:19.623)
Hmm?

Kelli (19:24.172)
Right. Right.

Wendy (19:25.717)
I mean, I didn't watch the after show for this one, but I did watch the other after shows and this conversation came up. Did I tell you this? was Kathy Hilton, Jennifer Tilly and Sutton were together. And you could tell Sutton is still a little bothered by it and Jennifer still maintaining, like I don't really exactly remember what I said. And listen, I...

I believe that she doesn't remember. mean, how many, I mean, we just saw it, so we know exactly what she said, you know? I mean, gosh, if you told me I said something like...

Kelli (20:00.141)
Right, right.

She might not remember exactly what she said, she has to remember saying something, which I guess is basically what she owns up to.

Wendy (20:08.769)
which is what she's, and that's what she owns up to in the sauna. And that's what she says, you know, at the, on the after show, she says, you know, I did say something about Garcelle. I don't remember exactly what I said, but you you snapped at me and.

Lori (20:25.977)
I feel like she's, she, you know, I'm sure she felt bad because I think she's a very big hearted person. But I think if somebody's your friend, I think she could have been a little more honest about it with something and been like, hey, look, you know, this is how I see you being sometimes. And I think that you being that way, you can push people away. And maybe that's what happened with Garcelle. And there's nothing wrong with saying that. It doesn't, you know, make

Jennifer an asshole. And it doesn't make her a bad friend. Actually, it makes her good friend. But I think she could have been a little more honest about it.

Kelli (21:03.8)
I think you're right, but I think that as much as Sutton is trying to put a brave face on, I think she is very fragile still. I think she is very, very broken from her divorce. And it's very interesting. Remember when she said to Dorie, you're not mad at me, you're mad at your situation? It's almost like she, yes, exactly. Because...

Lori (21:24.628)
huh. She's describing herself.

Kelli (21:29.774)
I really and I think that Jennifer because Jennifer Tilly I mean obviously I don't know her but she seems like a very forthcoming person she seems like a very honest person and a very good friend I Think she would have said that if she thought Sutton could handle hearing it

Lori (21:37.683)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (21:46.468)
okay, maybe she was trying to like dial it back so as to not hurt her.

Kelli (21:48.814)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (21:51.371)
agree. I agree. Because they've been friends, she said, for 18 years. Like, that's a long-standing friendship. It's not like, you know, right.

Kelli (21:55.094)
Yeah, that's a long time. Yeah.

Lori (21:56.713)
Right.

Wendy (22:01.185)
Then we see Boz and Keely, they get to Nevada. Back at Rachel's house, the power's out.

Kelli (22:12.219)
my God.

Wendy (22:14.657)
I can't, mean, she's like, there's no storm, there's nothing, and all of a sudden the power's out. And then Cathy...

Kelli (22:19.896)
Now let me ask you, I'm sorry, but I know people who don't have nearly as much money who have those full house generators. It's like 10 grand, well, maybe not for a house their size, maybe it's more, but you're Cathy Hilton for crying out loud. You don't have a full house generator where if you lose power,

Lori (22:32.199)
Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right.

Lori (22:42.557)
Well, maybe, maybe it happens so rarely. You know, it's not like they're having snow storms or wind storms. Yeah, I mean, I know what you're saying. Yeah. Come on, yeah.

Kelli (22:48.468)
I know, but still.

Come on. She can't blow- Kathy Hilton can't blow dry her hair because she lost power. That's a me problem. That's not a Kathy Hilton problem.

Lori (22:57.714)
Good?

Not a Kathy Hilton problem. Eeeeh.

Wendy (23:03.691)
Well the funny thing is when we saw her get in the car with the curlers in her hair was dry. When she got in the car to go with her glam team she had the big curlers in her hair. Her hair was dry.

Kelli (23:14.062)
That must have been some strong fan she was using.

Wendy (23:17.289)
Handheld fan. Right.

Lori (23:17.513)
Yeah, yeah, I know, I'll fan. And not only that, when she goes to Sutton's house, why are you doing your hair in the kitchen? I don't ever do my hair in the kitchen. It's gross doing your hair in the kitchen. Yeah, I know, kitchen and hair don't go. I don't care. Kitchen and hair don't go. I do your hair in the kitchen.

Kelli (23:28.044)
Well, it was glam doing her hair, right?

Wendy (23:31.273)
It was. think, didn't Sutton say, I think Sutton might've said, I think Sutton.

Kelli (23:39.523)
Well, when you're having, like when we got ready for like my wedding and Patti's wedding and our friend Jody came over and did all our hair, we were in the kitchen. Everybody was doing their makeup and their hair in the kitchen. But I will say this, Sutton clearly has a makeup room, a glam room, because we see her filming in it. So it is interesting that Cathy didn't go in there. But yeah, I mean, we didn't have a glam room.

Lori (23:47.913)
I don't like kitchen in here

Wendy (23:48.192)
Yeah.

I agree.

Lori (23:58.874)
Yeah, we've seen it. That's what saying.

I don't know. It's just my pet peeve. I don't do hair and kitchens. It's just my thing.

Kelli (24:08.322)
Yeah, well, we did for weddings.

Lori (24:12.585)
you

Wendy (24:13.12)
I think back to, think when we were little, someone used to come over to the house and cut her hair and we got her haircut in the kitchen. Cause you can sweep it up. I mean, you don't want to do it where there's carpet or anything. Like the kitchen's where you do that. And you could wash your hair in the sink. I mean, not that Cathy was getting her hair washed in the sink, but like you do that in the kitchen. When my mother used to do my hair, when I used to get my hair straightened, we did that in the kitchen. Like when you do your roots, where do you do your roots?

Kelli (24:20.364)
In the kitchen, Yeah.

Lori (24:20.636)
Really?

Kelli (24:25.654)
Right. Right.

Lori (24:25.737)
Mmm.

Right.

I don't know.

Lori (24:38.185)
don't know. In the bathroom? I do look like I my hair in the bathroom. I don't know. It's just me. I'm just saying, it's just me.

Kelli (24:40.93)
I do my roots in my bathroom. Only because I need the mirror in front of me and I have a big mirror in my bathroom.

Wendy (24:43.172)
you do?

Wendy (24:48.733)
Okay, but if you do your mother's roots, where do you do your mother's roots?

Kelli (24:54.478)
So we go in her basement, which is finished, and she has like an area set up. However, if I cut my mother's hair at my house, it would be in the kitchen. Or like the dining room.

Wendy (24:57.471)
Okay.

Lori (25:06.387)
Well, you people do you, I'm gonna do me, and that's it. That's alright. Sorta was odd.

Kelli (25:10.508)
Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (25:14.546)
You

Kelli (25:15.8)
Well, now that we got that squared away.

Lori (25:17.469)
Yeah, yeah.

Wendy (25:17.993)
Yes, I'm glad we got that. So Jennifer Tilly had a quote while she was getting ready. She said, well-dressed woman always has her underwear matching her outfits. I agree.

Lori (25:26.109)
There you go.

Kelli (25:27.086)
I thought that was interesting. was gonna ask, do you, don't follow that rule. I grabbed the first pair of cotton underwear I could find. But do you guys follow that rule? Okay. I mean, I have to do the top because I can't wear a black bra with a white top.

Wendy (25:30.461)
I I do.

Wendy (25:38.699)
I do.

Lori (25:39.593)
like to do matching. Yeah.

Wendy (25:41.376)
I do.

Lori (25:47.401)
Right, right.

Kelli (25:48.866)
Yeah, no, I don't really, if I'm wearing white pants, I do, but, okay.

Wendy (25:56.075)
So then we see Amanda picks up Kyle and she says, this is my hostess kit, gift for Rachel. And Kyle said, well, I'm glad you remembered yours because I forgot one. Listen, think that Kyle, I know that Rachel and Kathy are very close. And I imagine that Kyle has been to Rachel's house many times before. That I don't know if every time you go there that you need to bring a hostess gift. But I think it would definitely, yes, exactly. Certainly the first time you would, right?

Lori (26:15.505)
Right, that's different, Right, they do, no, no, certainly the first time.

Lori (26:25.127)
Yeah, so I want to ask you guys this. I don't know. When Boze was going for her thing and she was talking about how like, I hope this works because Keely really wants to have a baby and if this doesn't work, what would that mean for us? And I thought, wow, like I know that's something like that internally you would think. But to say that out loud, like if he really loves you, it's not about the baby. I don't know.

Kelli (26:41.3)
Mm. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (26:54.572)
Well, I think she's putting a lot of pressure on herself and obviously if this doesn't work, there are other alternatives. They can get a surrogate, they can adopt, you know, there's other alternatives. I don't think it would ever be a deal breaker, but it does seem like she's putting a lot of pressure on herself, which I would imagine isn't good when you're trying to.

Lori (26:57.883)
On yourself, yeah.

Lori (27:03.465)
Right. No, I've just, it was.

Yeah, it does.

No, but I'm sure she can't help it. I'm not blaming her for saying, I'm just saying. It's just one of those things that you would think but maybe not say out loud. But I guess they say whatever they want.

Kelli (27:26.518)
Right. Yeah. They're trying to make a show, One that we actually want to watch.

Lori (27:31.279)
I guess so.

Wendy (27:31.915)
you

Lori (27:37.318)
No.

Wendy (27:37.793)
So we find out that Rachel's having a psychic at dinner and Kyle's hoping the psychic doesn't have an electronic cigarette and that she's a positive psychic and they cut back to those scenes and I'm sorry that was great. That was great.

Lori (27:50.825)
Hmm.

Lori (27:54.665)
Yeah, that's funny.

Kelli (27:54.799)
I'll tell you what though, that woman was spot on. That woman was spot on and we all thought she was the biggest asshole basically for saying what she said. Well yeah, because of the way she was smirking and, but she was spot

Lori (27:58.311)
Yeah?

Wendy (28:06.207)
Well, she was though. She could still be that.

Lori (28:10.089)
Right. She could be right and an asshole.

Wendy (28:13.12)
Yeah.

Lori (28:15.325)
Yeah. And I am I love Amanda's. don't know if you caught it because it was real quick. She had on that confessional look. was that like pink ruffle thing. I really liked it. It's really pretty. So you'll see it again, I'm sure, because you know how they show them all the time. But it's like this off the shoulder pink ruffling thing. was like, I like it.

Wendy (28:17.568)
Yeah.

Wendy (28:39.073)
Rachel's putting together all the little gift bags that she has for all the ladies and they're announcing that they're all Rachel Zoe products. Pajamas, sunglasses, slippers. I'm like, okay, getting that.

Lori (28:49.68)
Okay.

Wendy (28:54.049)
And I don't know if you noticed, but Sutton bought her something from Chanel. Because she left the Chanel, was it a book?

Lori (29:01.127)
Yes, I the book.

She said it was a book. Yeah, she said it was a book. And another thing at this party, all these knuckleheads walking around with those stupid expensive bags and the flaps all going and you can't close. Like, what are you?

Wendy (29:06.453)
I just saw the bag. I didn't catch that. okay. That's interesting.

Mm-hmm.

Kelli (29:23.032)
They're like handbags like they're yeah. Yeah. Hermes they who Dory and Kyle had matching Hermes bags

Lori (29:23.177)
Birkins. Yeah, those Birkin bags are not clothes in the class. We're flinging, you know, flapping all over. I'm like,

Wendy (29:24.907)
for Birkins.

Wendy (29:32.361)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (29:36.59)
They're not functional, that's for sure.

Lori (29:38.139)
No! Stop it! I don't know.

Wendy (29:40.075)
Well you know what it is with those bags? You have to, the way it closes is with a lock and a key.

Lori (29:46.481)
Yeah, it's just... I just thought it was stupid. I just thought it was stupid. It's just all the flapping of the bags and their things was just aggravating. stop.

Kelli (29:46.59)
It's so stupid. No, it's not practical.

Wendy (29:47.177)
Like that's not practical. That's not practical.

Kelli (29:54.776)
Yeah, because they didn't have their keys to lock them up.

Wendy (29:57.834)
Right, right.

Wendy (30:02.753)
So we meet one of Rachel's friends, Natalie is there and

Lori (30:06.725)
Yeah, she comes with a swimsuit and a cover up.

Wendy (30:11.265)
Is that what you're calling it?

Lori (30:12.797)
That's exactly what I'm calling it. God bless her, she can wear... yes. Yeah, and I... Yeah, and I loved when Erika said, we can tell you're not boring. out, but I love it. Yeah, Erika says, clearly you're not boring.

Kelli (30:15.446)
I love when Erica said, I love a ho dress.

Wendy (30:18.849)
An expensive hoedress.

Kelli (30:21.058)
And I do too, Erica, I do too.

Kelli (30:27.583)
Yeah

Wendy (30:28.243)
Mm-hmm. Yep.

Wendy (30:35.243)
Yep. And Jennifer Tilly shows up with this long black cape with like, looked like actually like all stars all over it. It was all the crystals. Yes, very, it was beautiful.

Lori (30:44.335)
Mm-hmm, very celestial. And I loved her, I loved her brooch.

Kelli (30:47.054)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (30:53.065)
that big brooch beautiful

Wendy (30:53.338)
I actually loved Rachel's outfit too with the gold and the sheer and her beautiful gold crown.

Kelli (31:00.813)
Yeah.

Wendy (31:04.545)
Erica looked pretty though in her red too. mean that's a bold red. Not everyone can pull off a red, but Erica can definitely, yeah.

Lori (31:09.201)
Yeah, she always looked pretty. No, she can do it.

Wendy (31:17.685)
So Dorit, when she comes in with her bag and they realize that they have matching bags, she says that she bought it for herself because she just signed a book deal and they're all excited for her. And Erica says, well, did you pick a co, did you pick an author? And she said, yeah, it's a mother daughter team. And Amanda's like, like a ghost writer? And she's like, yeah. she's like, I never thought about that. I just wrote my own book.

Kelli (31:47.446)
I doubt that.

Wendy (31:47.743)
Yeah.

Lori (31:49.267)
Yeah.

Kelli (31:50.425)
I mean, maybe she didn't have a ghost writer, but if you're not a trained writer, like, I think it would be very difficult to just sit down and write a book without having some kind of help from someone.

Lori (31:57.971)
Right.

Lori (32:08.425)
You might have sat down and wrote it, but what you sat down and wrote certainly was not ended up getting in print. Fully what you wrote. Because, no. Stop.

Kelli (32:15.01)
That's not what was published. Right.

Wendy (32:20.097)
Her book is self-published, isn't it?

Kelli (32:22.526)
her book is self-published. That's right.

Wendy (32:24.993)
Exactly. Yeah, just putting that out there.

Kelli (32:29.246)
Exactly. Exactly.

Lori (32:29.277)
Maybe. Maybe.

Wendy (32:33.857)
So then she, Amanda, she can't let it go. She says, she's talking to Kyle, she's like, tell me more about this ghostwriter thing. didn't even occur to me. I just sat down and wrote my book. And then Kyle's like, well, it.

Kelli (32:45.932)
Like everyone moved on and went and got something to eat and then came back and she was still pushing about it Amanda

Lori (32:50.163)
She's still on it. She's still on it. And I love how Rachel said, you know, you don't need to put somebody else down to prop yourself.

Wendy (32:51.914)
Right.

Kelli (32:59.074)
Right, don't blow someone else's candle out because you think it makes yours burn brighter. It doesn't.

Wendy (32:59.829)
Yes.

Lori (33:02.94)
There you go.

Wendy (33:06.913)
So Sutton then comes over and tells Dorit that Amanda said that she's concerned about Dorit talking about the divorce and how it's going to affect the divorce in a negative way. She said she was worried about you talking about PK being an alcoholic and Dorit's like, I didn't out PK. I would never discuss that without his approval, which I

don't think is true because he had a problem with it.

Lori (33:37.703)
That made no sense.

Kelli (33:39.788)
Well...

Lori (33:42.154)
Well, look, it's just common sense. You can't say that you had a conversation with your husband and you said, oh, by the way, I'm gonna let everybody know you're an alcoholic. And he said, you know what? I think that's a great fucking idea. Let's do that. No, that doesn't, that's not, so I don't know where you're going. I don't know where you're going with it.

Kelli (33:42.83)
He

Wendy (33:52.385)
Exactly.

Kelli (33:55.323)
hahahaha

Kelli (34:00.969)
think Dorit's point that season when that all came out was he said it first and then she said it. He said it first. But I think he said like I'm giving up drinking or I'm taking a break from and she was like yeah he's a full blown alcoholic. he brought up sobriety first but she.

Lori (34:08.558)
okay, okay, okay. Okay. Yeah, then.

Lori (34:28.133)
Ram with it. Yes.

Kelli (34:28.852)
Embellished, yeah, not embellished. That's not the right word, but yeah. Inflated it.

Lori (34:32.669)
Right, she rambled

Wendy (34:36.385)
Well, PK even said on the Hot Mic podcast with Alex Baskin, he took offense to that. He's like, she doesn't know anything about an alcoholic. You're either an alcoholic or you're not. There's no such thing as a full blown alcoholic.

Kelli (34:42.051)
Yeah.

Kelli (34:49.218)
Yeah, I mean listen, I've been- I've heard that term used before. She's not the first person to use it. But he's right, you can't be a part-time alcoholic.

Lori (34:53.39)
Right, absolutely. Whether it's correct or not.

No.

Wendy (34:59.059)
Yeah.

Kelli (35:00.374)
I mean, he's right there.

Wendy (35:02.847)
you

Lori (35:03.441)
It's like being a part-time heroin user. That doesn't happen either.

Wendy (35:07.807)
No.

Kelli (35:07.894)
No, no, exactly, exactly.

Wendy (35:12.779)
So Jennifer's, the tarot card reader's looking at her card and hers comes up empress. And then she sees a card that reminds her of Sutton with the pink dress and holding the cake. I didn't really get what her reading was to be quite honest with you. Did she? Okay.

Kelli (35:30.252)
No, me neither. Well, me too.

Lori (35:32.027)
like to see more of their readings. think that would have been a lot of fun. I would have liked to see more of that.

Wendy (35:36.575)
Me too.

Kelli (35:39.278)
But the psychic did say when Jennifer said, looks like my friend Sutton, she said that this card is, that means that she's someone you can lean on.

Wendy (35:51.903)
Yes. Yeah, she did say that. So then Sutton goes over to Jennifer and says, you know, can we talk? And they go, they sit down to talk and she says, listen, I was super hurt. My feelings were hurt. You know, I talked to Kyle and she said that, you said I'm always the one to stir up trouble. And that's why Garcelle doesn't want to be friends with me. And Jennifer's like, well, you know, I didn't say that. Like I left the room. I was upset. maybe, like she was kind, again, I don't.

Kelli (35:53.324)
So, yeah.

Wendy (36:20.297)
She doesn't really remember what she said, which I totally understand. She was upset. She got up, walked away from the table. She said whatever came to her mind, you know? Yeah, there was a camera there. But they have said, and you know, we've talked about this before, they're so used to filming that they do sometimes forget that there's a camera there. Like they are doing their own thing because the Salt Lake City ladies were like, yeah, like we're used to the cameras being there, but we didn't even put together that there's gonna be a whole different side of this.

from the below deck side.

Wendy (36:56.669)
So they kind of squash it, which I was glad that they did. They just kind of.

Kelli (37:00.462)
Well, what was nice was that Jennifer acknowledged that she shouldn't have spoken to Kyle about that. And that led to Sutton taking accountability for snapping at her. So it actually was a good moment between the two of them, which really shows you that they are genuine friends. Yeah, I liked it.

Wendy (37:09.031)
Mm-hmm. Right.

Wendy (37:20.053)
Yes.

Yes, yes.

I did too. Then Dory is with the tarot card reader and she gets a card with all these like swords coming out of the head. And she's like, what does that mean? And she said, that means like a hard ending.

Lori (37:36.873)
Mmm.

Wendy (37:46.059)
Okay.

Kelli (37:47.278)
your marriage.

Wendy (37:52.961)
So then the ladies all sit down to eat and Rachel's like, thank God I have 600 candles that I keep on hand. I mean, honestly, there were a lot of candles there. was like, that was a lot. It really did. It really did.

Lori (38:00.595)
in

Kelli (38:02.2)
look beautiful though.

Lori (38:03.261)
Yeah, it's a-

Wendy (38:08.445)
And she says how, you know, she's sad that Bose isn't there, but she spoke to her and she said it's okay for her to share that they were able to get two eggs, which is awesome.

Wendy (38:19.677)
And then we see Amanda goes to the tarot card reader and she says to her, like, see you like manifesting like, like a hundred, like hundreds of times, like a hundred times. She's like, yeah, I wrote a book, Riches F. And I'm like, my God, like, come on.

Lori (38:40.517)
Yep, plug, plug, plug.

Kelli (38:43.498)
Exactly. That was the that was the teacup reader with Jen Aiden. Endorsements, endorsements, endorsements.

Wendy (38:45.334)
Yeah.

Wendy (38:50.109)
Yes. Yes, endorsements. Then Amanda asked the woman if she was a medium also. she said sometimes, like sometimes she'll feel it, but she didn't feel anything then. And...

Lori (38:52.253)
Yeah.

Kelli (39:10.038)
I would imagine that if we base this on what we know of mediums and people's, I've never gone to one, but people's experiences with them, a baby, normally it's somebody coming through and speaking to the medium or sending messages somehow. I would imagine it would be very difficult for a baby to do that.

Kelli (39:35.938)
That's what I'm saying. It's normally like, my Nana always comes through. Who's Teresa? Who knows a Teresa? Teresa, Teresa, you know. So, I don't know.

Wendy (39:38.112)
Yeah.

Lori (39:44.839)
Right, right, right, right, right.

Wendy (39:49.727)
I don't know either. mean, I've never seen one and I don't exactly know either.

Lori (39:54.473)
you

Wendy (39:55.656)
So then Kyle is talking to Sutton at the table and Jennifer's at the table and Jennifer hears what Kyle and Sutton are saying and then Jennifer says, I feel like we're making a mountain out of a molehill here. Which I honestly was very surprised that that happened after they just had that moment.

Lori (40:16.839)
Right.

Kelli (40:18.072)
think Kyle wanted to bring it up in front of the group. And I don't think Sutton did. And Jennifer clearly did not. So luckily for them, Dorit completely hijacked the conversation.

Lori (40:20.937)
Come on. No, I don't think she did either. Did not, right.

Wendy (40:27.541)
Right.

Lori (40:31.676)
Yes.

Wendy (40:32.807)
Yes, yes, yes, she certainly did. She said, Amanda, what is your take on me discussing my divorce? I heard you have some concerns about the way I'm speaking to the father of my children.

Kelli (40:35.598)
Mmm.

Wendy (40:50.003)
And then Amanda said, Kyle and I spoke a little about it, how it could make your divorce situation a little bit harder. And at the same time, Kyle says, where did you hear this? And Dorit is saying, Dorit said, well, how so? So I really felt like Amanda was totally throwing Kyle under the bus there.

Kelli (41:09.87)
She was trying.

Lori (41:09.989)
she tried, because she actually said, well, was really just, I was agreeing with what Kyle said. So she was making it totally sound like.

Wendy (41:17.184)
Yeah.

Kelli (41:17.582)
And really, it was the other way around. She said it and Kyle said, like, it makes me nervous or something like that. It worries me. So it was really the other way around.

Lori (41:25.693)
Right, yeah, yeah. Right. And it was really so silly because all Amanda had to say was, yeah, you know, I was just saying that, you know, in a divorce case sometimes when you talk too much about the other spouse, it can bite you in the ass because of proceedings and blah, blah, blah. That's all I would say. And there's nothing wrong with that. OK, that's all you had to say. That's all you had to say. Yeah, she's right. That's all you had to say.

Wendy (41:28.011)
Right.

Kelli (41:50.104)
There's nothing wrong with it and she's absolutely right, especially when both parents are public figures. She was absolutely right. So that's exactly what she should have said.

Lori (41:56.286)
Right, that's all she said to sad to say, yeah.

but then it wouldn't be a TV show.

Wendy (42:03.211)
But then Dorit, no, but Dorit says, well, I heard it from Sutton. Because I didn't know that Kyle was asking Dorit where she heard it from. I thought Kyle was asking Amanda. Do you know what I'm saying? Because it all happened at the same time, right? So then.

Lori (42:18.855)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Kelli (42:20.204)
Yes. Yes. Yes.

Wendy (42:27.841)
Amanda then says to what day was it? And Dorit's like, well, what does it matter what day was it? Either you said it you didn't. She's like, listen, Amanda's like, can I really, really? I've noted this because she does do that. Like the word really, she uses those words and she doubles them up a lot. Like when she does, she puts like extra emphasis by doubling up her words. I can be, can I be really, really honest? Not gonna be really honest. Like who does that?

Lori (42:49.864)
words, yes.

Wendy (42:56.939)
Like that's not normal. That's not normal to say the word twice like that. Do you think? Do you think? Like, you know I'm saying? Exactly. So she said, you know, can I be really, really honest? Like, where's my notes? Zion died three years ago today and I'm holding on by a thread. When Cathy Hilton said, that your dog?

Kelli (43:02.828)
No. Well, if you're maybe if you're a middle school.

Lori (43:03.303)
And because just do you think do you think right.

Kelli (43:24.302)
my god. my god.

Lori (43:24.937)
Your doll.

Wendy (43:27.909)
I thought I was like, boy.

Lori (43:29.673)
God.

Yeah, was a very Kathy Heldman moment. Very Kathy Heldman. Right now, but you know. Because she didn't say my child, my son. She didn't say that. She said Zion. Like, it's not like she said, Tom died today. You know what I mean? Like, it's not a common name. It's not like, how's anybody supposed to know?

Wendy (43:36.981)
But how would she know? She had no idea. She had no idea.

Kelli (43:37.262)
So at the exactly and at this point I'm thinking.

Kelli (43:55.373)
And at this point I'm thinking, okay, so none of them know about this. But then we do find out that she told them at Jennifer Tilly's party, but Kathy wasn't there. Right? Right.

Lori (44:00.862)
They do know.

Wendy (44:04.607)
Right, Cathy wasn't there. And they didn't know this was the end. They didn't know that this is when it happened. Nobody knew that. Like, they didn't know that.

Kelli (44:09.888)
No. No. God bless you.

Lori (44:11.433)
Sorry. No. Thank you.

Wendy (44:16.105)
And then Amanda goes on to explain the story that, you know.

Lori (44:20.201)
But then Cathy did it again, did you see? She did it again.

Kelli (44:22.722)
Yes. Yes, she did. She caught herself. She said, your son, your dog, your son.

Wendy (44:26.335)
What is, what,

Lori (44:28.923)
She did.

Wendy (44:30.387)
When? I missed it. she did.

Lori (44:32.367)
Yeah. It was great. It was

Kelli (44:34.958)
She's dead. She's dead.

Wendy (44:36.927)
That's funny.

Kelli (44:45.666)
I mean, Dorit tried to put a pin in it, but then she circled right back.

Wendy (44:45.769)
Listen, I mean.

Wendy (44:49.771)
She didn't really try and put a pin in it though. I really don't feel like she did. I don't. She said she did, but then she didn't.

Lori (44:54.375)
No, she... She was a dog with a bone. She wanted it out with her. And, you know... She really could have just waited to a different time. She could have waited.

Kelli (44:54.605)
Now.

Kelli (45:05.42)
Yeah, no, you're absolutely right.

Wendy (45:05.675)
I think so too. She should have just dropped it. think that when she just kept going in and Dorit said, I'm sorry that this conversation landed on a day like today, maybe we'll have this conversation another time. But then she said, I'm just curious, have an opinion from someone. Like, she didn't need to say that. Like she needed to end it.

Kelli (45:20.227)
Bye.

Yeah, yeah. When Amanda got up to leave, if that were me, personally, I don't know if I would have even been able to go anywhere that evening, but that's just me and I'm not certainly not judging her. But if at the point where Amanda got up and said, I need to go home, I would have been in the car within five seconds driving away. I would not have hung back.

Lori (45:23.015)
Right. Right.

Lori (45:36.521)
Right.

Wendy (45:36.715)
game.

Lori (45:48.61)
yeah, would have been no lingering at the door waiting for your moment. No, no, no. To see who comes. No. Right. I'm out, right.

Kelli (45:51.503)
There would be no lingering at the door. It would have been a very big F-you moment. I'm leaving and I will deal with you when I can.

Lori (46:02.737)
Right, absolutely. No, there would have been no lingering in the doorway.

Wendy (46:04.865)
I didn't think there was lingering in the doorway because I thought Kyle went right behind her. I thought Kyle went right behind her. Kyle was with her.

Lori (46:08.715)
come on.

Kelli (46:12.148)
Right, but I would have said, I would have said, I'm not, it's done, it's done, I'm going. Right. And quite honestly, Kyle should have said to her, just go. Nobody should have wanted to prolong that moment.

Lori (46:18.109)
Right, I'm out, I'm leaving. Right, thank you for your concern, I gotta go.

Lori (46:27.369)
Right.

Lori (46:32.379)
No, there should have been no Kathy Hilton make a drink it up and go over. No, no, no, just let her go.

Kelli (46:36.844)
Right, right. Just let her go. Just let her go. That's a big thing. Let her go.

Wendy (46:42.305)
I totally agree that Cathy should have never went to get Dorit to try and make it better because I mean, I know she had good intentions, her intentions were good, but it wasn't the right time.

Lori (46:45.39)
No, no, no, no, no.

Kelli (46:50.166)
Yeah, but nothing was gonna make that situation better. Definitely not.

Lori (46:54.461)
No.

Wendy (46:55.552)
Yeah.

Wendy (46:59.647)
Yeah, that was bad. That was really bad.

Wendy (47:07.935)
And I don't think Dorit, by the way, when Cathy did get Dorit over there, she said I tried to apologize. I don't think she tried to apologize. I don't, I don't. I didn't get an apology from her. Not a sincere, yeah. When she went to her and she hugged her and Amanda said, don't touch me.

Kelli (47:18.254)
Dory.

Kelli (47:23.874)
I think that it would have been had and I'm not saying I'm defending Dorit. I think it would have gotten more sincere, but when Amanda said don't touch me Dorit was like, you know.

Lori (47:36.743)
Yeah, right, yeah.

Kelli (47:40.334)
We are not friends.

Lori (47:42.801)
No, I don't see any French nibs there.

Kelli (47:44.098)
Ha ha ha ha.

Wendy (47:44.132)
Yeah. No, and then it, mean, as if I don't know if you saw the scenes for next week, but you know, now Dorita's again like a dog with a bone because now all she's doing is investigating her.

So.

Lori (47:58.334)
Right. And I saw some upcoming scenes with Kyle and Mo.

Mo is always making these faces like he's just perplexed and so surprised that Kyle is upset. It just gives me the ick. like, like what, Are you an idiot? Like, of course she's upset. Like he just has this look on his face. Like, I don't know what planet he's living on, but you just always look so surprised.

Kelli (48:17.644)
His eyes get real big. His eyes get real big.

Kelli (48:24.428)
Yeah. Yes.

Kelli (48:32.878)
I totally agree with you because she said something like I just miss it or something and his eyes got real big It's like what are you surprised about? Of course she misses it. She's still in love with you She wants to get back together with you. Like what are you an idiot? Right, right

Lori (48:37.786)
I think they, think they

Lori (48:43.571)
She was married to you for a long time. any, you know, even if she didn't want to get back with him, it's still a very painful thing. But he just has this look on his face like he's just so perplexed. And I'm like, you're just an ass.

Kelli (49:00.642)
Yeah, like I say it all the time, like the people I know who are divorced, they don't miss their spouses. They miss their family unit being together. And their kids are adult kids, but they miss when their kids were little. We all miss when our kids were little, but they miss when, you know, they were a family unit. I'm sure that is what Kyle, part of what Kyle is mourning, but I do think she's still in love with him.

Lori (49:26.409)
Yeah, I think they maybe they went to Amanda's house or something where they used to live. I think that's some of the things. Of course it's upsetting. Yeah, come on. Yeah. And I think she says something in the upcoming traction. So like, wonder how it would be if we never left here or, you know, so, you know, whatever. But he's just a tool.

Wendy (49:30.933)
I think that they did. I think that they did.

Kelli (49:33.134)
and then she went home and was like, yeah, that's when we were all together. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kelli (49:46.317)
Right.

Wendy (49:50.881)
Do you think he's high when they're having these conversations? Do you think that's why his eyes are that way?

Kelli (49:56.758)
I think he's high a lot of the time.

Wendy (49:59.542)
Do you?

Kelli (50:01.207)
I do. And I don't think there's anything wrong with it. But I do think he is.

Lori (50:02.141)
I don't know what his deal is.

Wendy (50:05.405)
I didn't say there was, I was just wondering if that's what his reaction is because of that.

Kelli (50:11.854)
Maybe.

Lori (50:12.731)
I don't know what his problem is, but.

Kelli (50:16.366)
But he's got

Lori (50:17.263)
And then supposedly Amanda was in a cult.

Wendy (50:19.968)
Yeah.

Wendy (50:24.672)
yeah. I mean that's the rumors out there.

Lori (50:25.651)
me hear that.

Yeah. So on Watch What Happens Live, they had a thing and Andy asked Bose, if you don't think Amanda is good at manifesting, what do think she's good at? And she said, scamming. She did say it. She did. yes, she did. I don't think she's a fan. I don't think she's a fan.

Kelli (50:42.926)
She did say that.

Kelli (50:48.514)
Yes, I don't think any of them are at this point. I believe she was the one and done. And when I was listening to Anna and Ace, they were saying they had somebody else on their Gibson. I don't know who that is. Who is that?

Lori (50:53.847)
No.

Wendy (50:55.073)
It's gonna be an interesting.

Wendy (51:02.559)
Yes.

Wendy (51:05.963)
So he has his own podcast and he was on, I have to look, they said he was on The Valley season two. I don't remember him being on The Valley. I'm gonna have to go back and see where he was on The Valley. don't remember that.

Kelli (51:11.32)
He was on the valley? Yeah.

Kelli (51:16.322)
Yeah, but they were basically saying that they think that this is going to be the end, the demise of Amanda's business because she's kind of being exposed.

Wendy (51:27.423)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (51:27.559)
Mmm, maybe.

Kelli (51:28.864)
So, and Anna was like, this is the way you conduct business, if this is your line of business, you had no business going on the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Because this is what happens.

Lori (51:43.219)
Right. The skeletons come out of the closet.

Kelli (51:47.554)
Right. You need a neti pot,

Lori (51:51.305)
I just need to like chop my head off and put a new one on. It's just, it's horrible.

Kelli (52:00.598)
Before we hang up, let's just take a moment to remember our neighbor who is gone seven years now.

Kelli (52:12.37)
And if you are struggling with mental health or anything like that, check out Cully Strong. They are affiliated with NAMI and a good resource for anybody who might be struggling.

Lori (52:26.163)
Yes, definitely reach out because there's people out there who love you even if you don't know them. There's always somebody out there to grab your hand. You don't think that there is, but there's always, yep.

Wendy (52:41.621)
You are not alone. You are not alone. And I'll put the links in our podcast on the bottom to those resources.

Lori (52:49.447)
Yep, that'd be great. All right, so.

Wendy (52:52.577)
Thank you for listening and watching. Bye.

Kelli (52:54.158)
Thank you.

Lori (52:56.903)
Bye.

Kelli (52:57.122)
Bye.