RHOC-Canals, Confessions, and Chaos

RHOC-Canals, Confessions, and Chaos

🎧 Podcast Summary: RHOC S19 E15 – “Going Dutch”

This episode kicks off with Shannon in full “Type-A hostess” mode — panicking over wrong glassware and a $2,000 lunch bill for Jenn’s non-bridal bridal luncheon. Jenn insists it’s not a shower, just a celebration before her wedding.

Gretchen, trying to take the high road, prays for peace with Tamra but still delivers a scathing (and hilarious) list of how she’s nothing like Tamra. The list includes lawsuits, blogger DMs, and manipulative behavior — the ultimate clapback in bullet-point form.

During lunch, the ladies share marriage advice. Shannon says communication is key, Gina warns not to lose yourself, Gretchen credits faith, and Heather says to ignore the haters. Emily lightens things up by asking if anyone farts in front of their husbands (spoiler: Heather does not).

The group decides on a girls’ trip to Amsterdam — where Heather has personal ties and plans to spread her father’s ashes. Jenn feels torn about her upcoming wedding and her complicated co-parenting situation, while Tamra and Eddie’s dinner turns into a tense therapy session about communication, drinking, and midlife frustration.

Once in Amsterdam, chaos quickly replaces calm. Shannon arrives injured, the women glam up for a canal ride, and Tamra immediately stirs things by revisiting old wounds about Shannon’s father. A drunk (and high) Shannon ends up under a dinner table with Tamra — literally — as Tamra gropes her and they laugh hysterically.

Meanwhile, Jenn defends her friendship with Alexis despite Shannon’s disapproval, Emily questions Shannon’s motives for hosting the luncheon, and Gretchen vows she can’t “fight fire with fire” anymore… even though she keeps trying.

The episode ends with rare peace — everyone laughing and sharing dinner — until the preview teases a fiery explosion just hours later in the Red Light District.

Takeaways

• Shannon's attention to detail is commendable.
• Gretchen and Tamra's relationship remains complicated.
• Marriage advice shared at the luncheon highlights personal experiences.
• Heather's family dynamics add depth to her character.
• Tamra's communication issues with Eddie are concerning.
• Gina's relationship with Travis faces challenges due to co-parenting.
• The Amsterdam trip brings new adventures and conflicts.
• Shannon's high antics provide comic relief.
• The ongoing feud between Shannon and Tamra is exhausting.
• The group dynamics shift dramatically during the trip.

Transcript

Wendy (00:00.999)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever, I'm Wendy. We are talking about Real Housewives of Orange County, season 19, episode number 15, Going Dutch. I don't really love that name. We start out with Shannon is, she's calling up about a delivery that was done wrong, because she's got this beautiful luncheon planned for Jen. It is,

Lori (00:04.376)
Kelly.

Lori (00:16.589)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (00:29.113)
celebration that Jen is getting married, it's not a bridal shower, which is...

Lori (00:33.422)
She's very, very clear that it is not a bridal shower. She's even clear in her text message to the women, this is not a bridal shower.

Wendy (00:36.55)
Yes.

Wendy (00:43.099)
Yes.

Right. Yes, I agree. mean, it's definitely not a bridal shower.

Lori (00:49.73)
Like, because it comes up later on in the episode, but it's been made very clear to me that this is not a bridal shower.

Wendy (00:53.074)
Yep.

Wendy (00:59.13)
Not a bridal shower. I thought it was interesting because I will say that this Shannon has very good attention to detail because why she's calling up is that she ordered, you know, this all this stuff for this luncheon that she's having which is beautifully set up and she ordered rose colored glasses and she has clear glasses and she spent $2,000 on just this setup which is a lot of

Lori (01:06.86)
Yeah, apparently.

Lori (01:15.032)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (01:24.177)
freaking money so I would want what I paid for too. I don't blame her.

Lori (01:27.96)
Totally agree with you. I totally agree with you. I start out nice in conversations like that, but I get to the point where Shannon was if I'm not getting anywhere.

Wendy (01:41.263)
Yeah, I mean, I don't blame her.

Lori (01:42.606)
You know, it's not something I'm proud of. I'm just saying this is, it's facts. It's facts.

Wendy (01:47.515)
Yeah. So then we see Gretchen and Slater talking about how she was in church this morning and she's praying for her and Tamara to be able to move forward. please.

Lori (01:58.52)
Did Slade dye his hair blonde? Did you notice that? his hair was like light, a lot lighter than normal, I thought.

Wendy (02:01.893)
I didn't. I didn't.

Was it? Wasn't gray? Is it? Because it's gray. Normally it's gray.

Lori (02:09.998)
It looked like a lighter brown. I don't know. Maybe it was just the lighting though. Yeah, yeah.

Wendy (02:14.781)
Maybe, maybe. But she's going you know, she's going today's for Jen. So she's going to, you know, try and avoid the whole Tamar situation, which is good.

Lori (02:25.41)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (02:26.749)
Gretchen is the first to arrive and she gets there and she's talking to Shannon and she says that she hasn't seen anyone since the party with Emily and

The last time was when Emily was having the hoedown and Gretchen was yelling at Emily. That's what Shannon said was the last thing she saw. So she left when after Tamar left and Gretchen was yelling at her. Emily went outside after Tamar and then came back in and was yelling at Gretchen. So she's like, you know, like what was that all about? And she said, well, Emily said that I was aggressive and I wasn't being aggressive.

Shannon tells her, listen, you know you're never gonna get to a good place with Tamra. That's where I'm at right now. I know I'm never gonna get to a good place with Tamra. I'm never gonna be to where we were before, but we need to just be able to be in the same room together and just kind of move forward. Just let it be, just coexist. And she tells her that she feels like she's acting a lot like Tamra and she needs to just stop going at her. Just let it be.

Lori (03:19.886)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (03:26.915)
Right.

Lori (03:35.778)
Right. And they are acting exactly like each other.

Wendy (03:40.477)
100 % they are. I thought it was so funny because after that scene, she's sitting in her confessional, Gretchen is, and the producer asks her, know, do you think that you're a lot like Tamra? And she said, no, I'm not like Tamra. Do you want me to get my list? She goes, you have a list? And she grabs her phone and she starts reading from her list. And I wrote down everything she said. I'm like, you have got to be kidding me. I don't stoop to her level.

I don't have a child calling me a manipulator and a liar. I haven't been sued and lost because of my lies and then almost sued again for another lie. And she references Jim Bolino and Ryan. I didn't reach out to Tamar's ex and try and get dirt on her. And she's referring to Michelle Slade's ex. I'm not profiting from other people's pain. And she's referring to the podcast. I'm not harming or constantly hurting my friends.

I'm not disclosing personal information my friends asked me not to talk about," and she's referring to Shannon's dad. I don't have several exes coming forward publicly to say I'm a liar and a cheater. She's referring to both of her exes have said this.

Lori (04:56.206)
Does Tamar have that?

Lori (05:02.732)
I don't remember that.

Wendy (05:04.793)
I don't, I mean, you know, I don't, Simon did, Simon definitely did. Yeah, I don't, and I don't know who her ex was before Simon, to be honest with you. Yeah, but I don't know, like, I don't know what their relationship was. You know what I'm saying? Like after.

Lori (05:06.478)
I don't remember that. well Simon, yes. Yeah, what are we saying? Yeah, of course Simon did.

Ryan's father. He's been on.

Lori (05:23.234)
Yeah, he was on when her granddaughter was born. She had like a birthday party for her granddaughter or something, and I believe he was there. I believe Ryan has a relationship with his father, so.

Wendy (05:36.037)
Yeah, I think he does. I don't call or DM bloggers to try to get them to post horrible things about my castmates. I actually feel bad when I mess up. She doesn't. She has zero remorse and repeats her pattern. I'm like, okay. Those are all the things she listed, like that she had prepared. Okay, I think you have a little bit too much time on your hands. And I think that Tamara...

Lori (05:54.252)
Right. Right.

Lori (06:02.382)
She definitely has enough too much time on her hands.

Wendy (06:07.111)
Tamar lives in her head rent free.

Lori (06:10.066)
for sure. That's what I mean. They're both doing the same thing to each other. And honestly, I wouldn't have thought that before this season started, but I definitely think it now. obviously, Tamra can't stop thinking about Slade and Gretchen. I mean, she has been talking about him on her podcast since she has had a podcast. But I didn't think it was the same way with Gretchen, but it clearly is. It clearly is.

Wendy (06:11.43)
Right?

Wendy (06:37.341)
Yeah, definitely. Then Jen arrives at the party and she thanks Shannon. know, like she said, this is the most beautiful, like this is the most beautiful thing. This is probably the nicest thing that she'll even do for her wedding. Cause she's still not really sure exactly what she's gonna do, right? She's not, they don't really have a date or a venue or anything planned.

Lori (06:58.232)
She said they're basically keeping it low-key. But again, Shannon reiterates, this is not a bridal shower. It's just a celebration that Jen's getting married.

Wendy (07:10.436)
Right. I did think it was.

Lori (07:11.598)
It's very important to keep this in our heads.

Wendy (07:15.237)
Yes. I mean, it's important to Shannon that we know this. I don't know who else it's important to.

Lori (07:21.698)
think it's important because of how it is brought up later when they are in Amsterdam by Emily and Tamara, who are just starting problems. Like middle schoolers, I'm so over the middle school behavior.

Wendy (07:31.825)
Yeah, yeah, that is true.

Wendy (07:39.919)
No, I totally agree with you. I totally agree with you. I did feel bad for Jen when she said in her confessional, or maybe it wasn't even in her confessional, that she feels like she has a scarlet letter on her because she's been divorced and she really, you know, she was raised that you get married once.

Lori (07:56.911)
think it's more than she's been divorced. I think it's more than that she's been divorced. I think she was cheating on her husband, but Ryan, and that's why she feels like she's got a scarlet letter. listen, it's 2025. These things happen. This happens, you know? And people do eventually get to a place where they can move on. Maybe her ex isn't there now, so she still feels some guilt about it. He'll get there. He'll get there.

Wendy (08:09.531)
Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely.

Wendy (08:19.314)
Yeah.

Wendy (08:25.179)
Yeah, yeah. Then Shannon says, I'd like everyone to go around the table and give Jen your most sound wedding advice. And Emily said, wedding or marriage? And Jen said, no, I want your marriage advice. Like truly, I would like to know like what you guys think about this. And Gina's like, well, actually we've all been divorced except for Heather. Which I thought was funny.

So Jen said, okay, well maybe we'll finish with your advice then. So Heather's gonna go last.

Lori (08:59.566)
Did you notice when Gretchen mentioned her faith, the faces Tamara was making? I mean, it's interesting for someone who's recently renewed their faith, I guess within the past 10 years or so, to be having that kind of judgment on her face when someone is talking about their faith. Whether you believe it or not as a Christian or whatever faith you are, if you're a faithful person,

Wendy (09:07.099)
I did.

Lori (09:29.238)
And you're a faithful person, right? Because you just renewed your faith within the past 10 years. You shouldn't really judge when someone else is talking about their faith, whether it's the same faith you have or not. She's just an asshole, Tamara.

Wendy (09:42.941)
totally agree. I totally agree. So Tamar goes first actually and she says, actually your second wedding or marriage, you already know what not to do. She said, Simon and I used to fight and say mean things all the time. So honestly, I thought that that was good advice until we see her and Eddie out to dinner later on. I'm just like.

Lori (09:44.28)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (10:08.494)
Exactly.

Wendy (10:12.061)
So she knows how to give the advice but doesn't actually know how to take it for herself.

Lori (10:16.056)
Right. Which I'm guilty of that too, so I get it.

Lori (10:22.712)
But yeah, that was very funny when, when yes, very funny.

Wendy (10:25.136)
Yeah.

Shannon says, I'll say communication is key to any relationship. know, the littlest argument can turn into the biggest fights. Honestly, I would just have to personally, I would say that that's the answer right there is communication is the key to all relationships, whether it is a spousal relationship, a relationship with a brother, a sister, a child, a mother, a father, communication, right? Like.

Lori (10:50.786)
Yep, if someone doesn't know how you feel, then you can't expect them to know how to react to you. You have to let people know how you feel, right? What they do with that information is on them, but it's your responsibility to at least let them know how you feel.

Wendy (10:57.883)
Right. Right. Yeah.

Wendy (11:10.301)
Jen said to Emily, I don't even know what your first husband was like. And Emily said, well, you know, he was a good guy. She's like, but Shane is my person and everyone needs to find their person. I think that's also good advice.

Lori (11:25.538)
Very good advice.

Wendy (11:27.229)
I think Gina's advice was very good. Make sure that you don't lose yourself, that that person should be a beautiful compliment to your life. I 100 % agree with that.

Lori (11:36.152)
Yes.

Wendy (11:37.637)
And that's when Heather said that, you know, I agree with what everyone else said, but you know, we're best friends and faith is a really important part of our relationship. And like you said, Tamra rolled her eyes. Heather said, I think people will judge you and your relationship and make comments about Ryan and make comments about you, but let them. Let them, who cares? And I think that's also sound advice. but once again, I don't think Heather follows that advice either.

when people talk about our relationship.

Lori (12:08.232)
I mean, how many times are we gonna hire fake paparazzi? One, to take the pictures, and then two, to back you up to say you didn't hire the first one to take the pictures, Yeah, I think Heather needs to take her own advice here, too.

Wendy (12:13.469)
Right

Wendy (12:19.193)
Right, exactly.

Yep. And then I don't know if you caught this, but Emily says to Heather, can I ask you a question? And every time Emily says, can I ask you a question? I know I'm going to be annoyed to be quite honest with you. It's always trouble. It's always hers during the pot. I mean, this one was benign. was like, do you fart in front of Terry? Stupid.

Lori (12:35.32)
It's trouble. It's trouble.

Lori (12:43.948)
Yeah, it was just stupid. mean, honestly, how did you think Heather was going to answer that? Because she probably does, but she's never going to tell us she does.

Wendy (12:51.661)
Right. Right.

Lori (12:54.7)
I mean, come on.

Wendy (12:54.717)
Right, and then they have this stupid question about, they start talking about that, which was dumb.

Wendy (13:04.785)
So then Shannon says, listen, I would like to, they're talking, no, before that, Emily says, like, I think, you we really have to cherish these friendships. Wouldn't it be nice if we could all go somewhere and, you know, and enjoy our friendships? And Shannon said, well, I would really like to go somewhere in Europe. That way I can visit Stella afterwards. And Heather's like, yeah, I get that. And she said, I asked Stella what her favorite city in Europe was. And she said, Amsterdam. And Heather's like, well, why is that?

And then we see her talking to her on the phone and she's going to a rave that starts at 11 and ends at 7 a.m. I'm like, okay.

Lori (13:38.894)
That sounds exhausting.

Wendy (13:42.179)
It does sound, I mean, there's gotta be some sort of nap involved there, I would hope.

Lori (13:46.382)
For sure for sure, but I mean she's young she can handle it, but I was like who? Austin

Wendy (13:52.23)
Yeah. Then we find out that Heather's parents lived in Amsterdam for 15 years. All these years we've known Heather, we did not know that. Did not know that.

Lori (14:02.196)
No, we didn't. No, we didn't. And that was interesting. That was interesting. She didn't. She didn't live there. It was when she was in college, but she would go visit, which is very cool place to go visit if your parents live there.

Wendy (14:06.393)
Yeah. Yes. That whole, that whole thing was right.

Wendy (14:18.333)
100%. So I thought that was very interesting. So then we see they cheers to Amsterdam and then we see Heather talking to Terry and letting him know that, you know, she spoke to Josh flag about the house. It's going to be a few more months.

Lori (14:31.078)
my God, I can't take another scene of them talking about real estate. I can't do it. Do they talk to each other about anything else?

Wendy (14:37.713)
Well, that was.

That was a quick part of the conversation. So Terry says,

Lori (14:44.174)
Do we have to hear about their real estate every time they're on camera? We get it! You own a lot of properties, we get it! It's like Stephanie with her jet.

Wendy (14:55.483)
Yeah, I hope. I don't think Stephanie's going to talk about her jet so much next year.

Lori (15:00.406)
No, I don't think so either.

Wendy (15:02.621)
Heather tells Terry that she's not been back to Amsterdam in 22 years. And Terry lets us know that's where he met her parents for the first time. So again, I'm like totally blown away that we're getting all this new information. Her dad worked for an international company whose headquarters were based in Amsterdam and she was away at college and her parents wound up moving there.

Lori (15:13.347)
Yeah.

Lori (15:18.253)
Yeah.

Wendy (15:29.597)
Heather tells Terry that her mom called her the other day and we see that phone call. She's thanking her mom for the ashes because her mom sent her some ashes of her dad's and Terry's like, you know, what are you going to do with them? And Heather's like, well, you know, my mom wrote me a note and he said, well, what did she say? Don't snort them? Like, she's like, no, like I cannot imagine her mother saying that.

But basically she wants him to be canonized. she doesn't, in her confessional, she talks about that her mother doesn't want him painted in a bad light. Like she's very controlling of the family's image, her mother.

Lori (15:56.721)
No.

Lori (16:11.66)
Why do you think her mother would say that to her? Do you think it's because her mother knows that she said on camera her father would have explosive behavior when they were younger? Why would her mother say to her, don't want you saying anything bad about him? I thought that was a very odd thing for her mother to say to her.

Wendy (16:36.303)
Well, I will say that I listened to Lala had a podcast last week or so and Heather was on the podcast and Lala is a huge fan of Heather and they were kind of talking about this relationship. She didn't give too many details because this episode hadn't aired yet, but she said, we're going to find out more. only, when they were on the podcast, we only knew about what she had said about the angry outburst and

she said she's very careful about what she says. And Lala's like, well, I would like to know. She goes, we could probably talk about it on the podcast. My mother does not listen to the podcast. She specifically said that her mother doesn't listen to podcasts. She's like, so I don't know if, I mean, she could have told her

Lori (17:18.818)
Yeah. So she's like.

Lori (17:26.606)
She's censoring herself because of her mother when she talks about her father.

Wendy (17:29.701)
Yes, yes, she is. And honestly, I don't blame her. I absolutely don't blame her. I mean, it's her father. It's her father. She's set on Lala's and he's deceased and he's deceased and it will hurt her mother. It's not gonna do anything but hurt her mother. And she did make it pretty clear that when her mother is no longer here, she will speak her truth. Like she will tell the full story. It's out of respect for her mother. Cause her mother.

Lori (17:37.802)
and he's deceased, so yeah.

Lori (17:56.877)
I see a book coming in Heather DeBrow's future.

Wendy (18:00.325)
I do too. I do too. mean, really? You don't like fancy pants.

Lori (18:01.826)
I'll read it. I'll read it.

Yeah, no, I really don't. I don't mind her this season though, but I mean, if she's gonna talk about, if she's gonna actually tell us something about herself, I'd like to read it. If she's just gonna talk about real estate that she and her husband own, I'm not gonna read it. So maybe I'll wait to see what the critics say first.

Wendy (18:17.959)
Yeah.

Wendy (18:25.041)
Right.

Yeah, no, do. I did like that listening to that interview with her and Lala because I thought it was very telling of, and I get it. I totally understand it. Just like Shannon with her father. You know, it's one thing to talk about him. He's still alive. The man is still alive and well.

Lori (18:45.742)
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, either way, either way, it's not for anyone else to say. Like it wasn't, yeah, it wasn't Tamra's place to say. If Shannon wants to say something about her father, okay, which she clearly does not, but it was never Tamra's place to say anything. And same thing for Heather.

Wendy (18:56.817)
That's just it. Right. That's just it.

Wendy (19:04.145)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (19:09.093)
Right. Right. And Heather can talk about if she wants to, but she chooses not to because of her mother out of respect for her mother. So she goes on to say that, you know,

Lori (19:17.068)
Right. Right.

Wendy (19:24.367)
I don't even know how long her father's been gone because she said all these years that she's never dumped his ashes anywhere. So her mother's had these ashes for all this time. I don't know how long it's been.

Lori (19:32.706)
Yeah, because it wasn't clear if they, if he passed while they were still living in Amsterdam or if they had moved, they must've moved back to New York. Well, I don't know. I mean, she hasn't been to Amsterdam for 22 years. So if he lived there when he passed, I would imagine it was 22 years ago, last time she was there.

Wendy (19:42.823)
I don't-

Wendy (19:51.997)
was trying to think back, didn't look, remember when we met her mother in New York, when she took Gina to New York, Gina's first season? Was her father there? I mean, he wasn't, I can't even remember. Yeah, so I don't know, I mean, I guess I suppose I could look it up. But anyway, she said, she figured she would take it to his happy places, and his happy places were New York, Puerto Vallarta, and Amsterdam. So.

Lori (19:57.805)
Yeah. Yeah. I don't think so. No. Right.

Lori (20:10.062)
Yeah, I'm sure it's.

Lori (20:17.326)
So spread them all over.

Wendy (20:19.523)
Yeah, so she's going to bring them. Terry suggested she, you know, put them right there in front of the house in Herringgrot, which I was like, I don't know what that is, but it's a canal. I now know that in front of the house.

Lori (20:30.2)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (20:32.892)
I thought it was interesting too that Terry started talking about him a little bit, that he was an interesting, brilliant man. you know, he was difficult and difficult to understand him because he wasn't emotional. And, you know.

Lori (20:46.924)
Right. Well, Terry got the memo because he said all nice positive things that would make Heather's mother very happy.

Wendy (20:55.077)
Yes. Terry does say to her, you know, how they say sometimes you marry your father. He said to Heather, am I unemotional? He said, well, you've seen me cry a few times. I mean, probably when opening the American Express. He said, kidding. And she goes, yeah, you're probably not. I thought it was funny. You didn't like it?

Lori (21:16.16)
Lick it.

Lori (21:23.406)
Oh my God, it's like, no, because it's constantly about how much money they spend, how much money they have, how much real estate they own. It's like, is there any substance to either one of you? Or are we just gonna talk about how much money you have, how much money you spend, how much real estate you

I mean, it's exhausting. It's exhausting me.

Wendy (21:46.011)
Okay. Okay. Okay. We'll move on to Gina and Travis then.

Lori (21:53.357)
Yes.

Wendy (21:54.525)
Gina and Travis go out to dinner and Gina tells Travis everyone thought he looked so good as a cowboy. I did too. I thought they all looked good, all except for Terry. They were talking about how they had such a stressful year and I didn't realize this. So Gina in her confessional said that Travis couldn't see his child anymore. Like he was, couldn't take not seeing his child anymore. So he started volunteering.

Lori (22:02.446)
I did. I know.

Wendy (22:23.229)
at gym time in the school so that he could actually see his son because the mom was keeping him home and wasn't letting him go visit Travis.

Lori (22:32.952)
I think it was the kid's decision, but I think the mother was heavily influencing him. You know what I mean? I don't think it was her, because the other kids were going, but I think this one, she was able to get in his ear and have an effect on, enough effect on where he didn't want to go there, which is not, you know, that sucks.

Wendy (22:40.23)
Yeah.

Wendy (22:53.66)
Yeah.

It does suck. This is what I didn't understand. She said, she thinks that that helped trigger Joey to tell his mom that he wanted to go home. So does that mean that the kids live with Travis full time?

Lori (23:10.38)
I think it's 50-50 split. I think it's 50-50 split, but he just wasn't ever going to Travis and Genos. I don't think they have full-time custody. I don't think that woman would ever agree to that. Most women wouldn't, you know.

Wendy (23:15.516)
Yeah.

Wendy (23:19.055)
Okay.

Wendy (23:24.251)
Yeah.

Wendy (23:27.717)
No, no, they wouldn't, no. So Gina said moving back in with Travis, she's learned to understand that like Travis's relationship with his ex is never going to be good. Like it's never gonna be good. So she just has to accept what it is.

Lori (23:29.453)
way.

Lori (23:43.363)
You know, I mean, I see why she's saying what she's saying, but I'm hoping that that's not true. Obviously everybody is, but the kids are going to get older. Eventually you are no longer going to have to co-parent with this woman. Eventually they're going to get to a place where they're on their own. And then, you know, I know it's a ways away. I'm sure it's over 10 years away for the youngest, but.

Wendy (24:08.741)
Yeah, I know. I think when you're in the middle of it, like they are, it's so hard to see down the road. I mean, Travis starts crying a little bit. You could tell, his kids are his heart. They're everything. And he also says, all right, let's talk about my balls or something. I love that. I so love that.

Lori (24:12.834)
Yeah. Sure. Yeah.

Lori (24:21.453)
Yeah.

Lori (24:28.878)
So good. So good.

Wendy (24:36.893)
We see Jen's getting ready for Amsterdam and she's talking to Ryan.

Lori (24:45.484)
And she even says to him, know, Shannon put a lot of effort into that bridal shower. I'm like, my God, it was not a bridal shower. Stop calling it that.

Wendy (24:54.64)
I know.

Yeah. Ryan says, do you think the ladies will get along? And Jen's like, well, hope Tamar goes and has fun. I hope Tamar and Gretchen can get along.

Wendy (25:15.079)
She also at this point, they talk about the wedding a little bit, but she said that, she's told them that she still has a little bit of reservations. Brian said, know what the boys told me that at the last volleyball game that Will sat with you guys. So I guess that's the X. So they were together, which she's like, yeah, we're making baby steps. She's like, we're making baby steps. And I was so happy to hear. And she's like every...

Lori (25:32.44)
Yeah.

Lori (25:40.877)
Yeah.

Wendy (25:43.087)
Every stroke, every text I send, I'm so mindful that I don't say anything that's gonna hurt his ego or make him mad. Because she wants it, I get it, she wants it to be good for the kids.

Lori (25:55.471)
I mean, but again, she most likely cheated on this guy with Ryan and now she's living her happily ever after with Ryan. That's very difficult. And I've said it before, I'll say it again, I do think it's harder for men to get over that than it is for women. I just do. So exactly. It's their pride.

Wendy (26:01.339)
Right.

Wendy (26:18.109)
Because of the ego, it's an ego thing. It's an ego thing, right. Whereas I think women are hurt more where, you know, when they're cheated on, I think that it hurts them more like to their core, to their heart. Not so much they're humiliated or their ego. think like you're saying with men, it's the ego.

Lori (26:25.037)
You know.

Lori (26:33.454)
Yeah.

Lori (26:36.866)
No.

Lori (26:40.354)
Right, right. But hopefully this guy finds somebody and then realizes like, know what, we really weren't that happy. And I am happier with this person and you know.

Wendy (26:49.593)
Right. Right.

Lori (26:56.865)
Everybody can move on.

Wendy (26:57.031)
So then we go see, next thing we see is Eddie and Tam are out for dinner. And this was tough. This was a tough scene.

Lori (27:07.17)
What, her talking about her daughter's sex life on national television? Like, what are you doing? What are you, I mean, my daughter would probably start, stop talking to me if I did that to her. She has no shame, Tamara, no shame.

Wendy (27:10.713)
I can't even. I know.

Wendy (27:18.865)
And this is one that.

Wendy (27:22.747)
I know, this is the one that talks to her too.

Lori (27:24.876)
Yeah, right. Holding on to that by a thread after this.

Wendy (27:30.747)
Yeah, yeah. But they're talking about Gina and she's telling that she met with Gina and she's asking if there's any moving forward with Gretchen and Eddie's, like you don't need that woman in your life. And Tamara's like, no, I don't want her in my life. She's toxic. And Tamara says to Eddie, like she had a talk with Sophia about the boyfriend thing, you we're fully aware. And now she's worried that

Sophia has a boyfriend and that she's not going to want to go to LA to go to school. And it's funny because you guys were talking about this the other night at happy hour about

Lori (28:08.354)
Yeah, yeah, I totally understand where Tamra's coming from with this.

Wendy (28:13.283)
Yeah, like this, I get it too. Like, I mean, I don't get it because I don't have that situation. I don't have daughters, but it goes back to like what Gina said, like you, especially for women. And if you have daughters, you want to empower them and you want them to have their own life and live their own dream. And you don't want them to hold themselves back for any man ever. And no man should want them to hold themselves back. So.

Lori (28:26.892)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (28:35.468)
Nope. Nope, nope, Exactly. Exactly.

Wendy (28:43.387)
And know, Tamara also, you she has this conflict that, you know, she was young when she got pregnant and, you know, she worries about that. Of course you're going to worry about that, right?

But then she says to Eddie, like, so if Sophia does go away, like, what does that mean for us? And Eddie said, well, you know, we had talked about moving out of state. He's like, I don't know how you feel about that now. And Tamara's like, well, you know, when we make plans, I feel like they're for death, which I thought was odd. Like, why is she, like, why would she say that?

Lori (29:20.108)
I don't think Tamara knows why she says things. I think when the cameras go on, Tamara's mind, it's like scrambled eggs up there. I think she's just saying things to say things. I really do. I don't think she knows what she's saying.

Wendy (29:37.563)
Well, Eddie's response was, know, God knows how long we're going to live. You know, my grandma lived till she was 99, so I'm probably going to be, you know, alive a long time unless I get hit by a bus. And then she says, or I kill you because you annoy me when you eat.

And then she said, don't chew or whistle around me. Eddie says, if you don't like it, put some earplugs in. That's not always a good way to react. Tamara says, I'm not an asshole. You're the asshole. I was like, wait, what just happened here?

Lori (30:10.778)
Exactly. So I don't know exactly what happened, but I am guilty of if I'm eating near somebody and they're chewing very loud or breathing very, very loud, I have a problem with it. So I understand her sensitivity to that, but why she's calling Eddie an asshole, like he can't help it. When people chew loud or breathe louder, they can't help it. So, and listen, I know that and I still get annoyed, but I'm not calling the other person an asshole for it. She's just a

I don't know.

Wendy (30:42.139)
just thought that reaction was so over the top for eating too loud.

Lori (30:48.578)
Right.

Wendy (30:49.977)
And when you're on camera and you

Lori (30:52.364)
Right, that's what I'm saying. She has no shame. She'll say and do anything on camera to keep her spot. You know what I mean?

Wendy (31:03.365)
Yeah, and the interesting thing about this whole scene, I don't know where it was, but somebody asked her about it. She doesn't remember it. She doesn't remember it. She doesn't remember it.

Lori (31:12.034)
The... Exactly. It's like her brain goes to mush when those cameras come on. She doesn't even know what she's saying. She's the worst housewife, but she thinks she's the best housewife.

Wendy (31:22.033)
doesn't remember it.

Wendy (31:29.499)
Yeah. So then after the asshole thing, Eddie says, well, do you think we have a problem? And Tamara said, I think our problem is we don't communicate and then it all explodes at once. I will say, you know, we have one good fight like about every six months. And Eddie said, well, the way you talk to me, sets me off. Usually you're drunk and that makes you come at me. And she's like, well, do you think I have a drinking problem? He said, for our relationship purposes, you should never drink. You should be able to talk to me.

Lori (31:55.95)
couldn't believe he said that on camera.

Wendy (31:58.329)
about what's hurting you. I'm glad he said it. I'm so glad he said it. I'm so glad he said it.

Lori (32:02.142)
me too. Me too.

Wendy (32:07.643)
And it's so, that, and I couldn't believe he said it. And then the other thing that it struck me is, you this is something she says all the time. And she even said it when she was talking about this scene. Eddie and I don't drink at home. We're not partiers. Like we don't even really have alcohol in our house.

Lori (32:08.27)
I couldn't believe you said it though, could you?

Wendy (32:28.015)
So we only drink socially if we go out with another couple. We don't even drink when it's just the two of us. How can this be true? Right, right.

Lori (32:36.45)
Yeah, so why would he even bring this up?

Wendy (32:43.631)
I don't know. I-

I don't know. really don't know this whole, I mean, I feel like there's, she's like, no, there's no in her, in the interview. She's like, no, there's no, you know, there's no tension. We're good. And Eddie, when he did the, you know, he's like, yo, no, and my wife are so good. He wouldn't even take a billion dollars for someone to sleep with his wife for one night, that their relationship. Yeah, yeah, like there, he loves his wife that much. And I'm just like, I just don't buy it. I mean, yes, he may love her that much, but I don't buy it that, you know.

Lori (33:04.337)
right, his interview with Joe Corga, right.

Wendy (33:17.519)
It's really good at home. I just don't buy it based on what we see.

Lori (33:23.544)
Did you see, and I saw it real quick, I didn't look into it, because quite honestly, I don't even care. But Tamra's other daughter, I think, I don't think it was Sophia, but there's a headline that Tamra's daughter says that Tamra and Eddie's relationship is phony, fake. I don't know if there's any merit to it. Like I said, I just saw a headline and I don't care enough about Tamra to even.

Wendy (33:35.367)
Sydney.

Lori (33:52.643)
bother checking that. But I did see something like that. Maybe that's our question to people. Do you think Tamara and Eddie's marriage is a real one, is real? Or are they just having each other's backs? So, know, she stays on the show. They put up this front, but they really just do what they want. Because I think that there's merit.

Wendy (34:06.481)
Yeah, that's a good question.

Lori (34:20.76)
to what Jen was saying about Tamra being attracted to Ryan and saying, I take one for the team? I think there's merit to that.

Wendy (34:33.317)
I do too. I do too.

Wendy (34:40.645)
Okay, so enough of that craziness. The next thing we see is the ladies arrive at the airport getting ready to go to Amsterdam. yes, yes. Shannon is walking in and she needs a bandaid because her toe is bleeding.

Lori (34:49.39)
comfortably dressed to fly.

Lori (35:00.61)
What the hell was that going on with her foot? Holy guacamole.

Wendy (35:04.274)
I know. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, in her confessional, Heather says, my God, those were amazing. So I was watching that and I called Bill over. was like, do you see these things right here? If I ever go on a flight that's 13 hours or more, I want one of these. He's like, do you know how much those cost? I was like, no, I don't, but this is what I

Lori (35:11.5)
Wow. Those pods were very cool on the plane. Those pods that they were sending in, right?

Lori (35:34.481)
How much do you think they cost?

Wendy (35:37.275)
I don't know, we're gonna have to look it up, but I definitely want that.

Lori (35:39.458)
Yeah. How long was the flight? Okay. I mean, listen, that's the way to go.

Wendy (35:43.357)
13 hours, because they arrived, yeah. Yes, I totally agree. I was so into those pods.

Lori (35:53.77)
They were awesome.

Wendy (35:55.653)
And you know, we saw the JetBlue logo like all over the place. So they probably didn't even pay for it. Like that was their advertisement. Me talking about those pods. I thought so too. I thought it would be, well, now we're talking about JetBlue. Let's stop it. Cause they're not paying us. mean, if they're going to give us a ride in the pod, I will talk all about it. Talk all about it. Yeah.

Lori (36:01.23)
Right?

pretty surprising that it was JetBlue.

Lori (36:10.86)
Yeah, let's not even. Right. They're not paying us. That's for damn sure.

Lori (36:19.19)
That's right, JetBlue.

Wendy (36:25.349)
So then they arrive in Amsterdam and they're on the bus on the way to their hotel and Heather said, my God, there's the shopping. I always know where the good shopping is. And of course the champagne and the caviar and...

Lori (36:38.982)
She's like, I know I'll be getting champagne and caviar. What is she insinuating? That she's gonna spend the most money, so she's gonna get the champagne and the caviar.

Wendy (36:42.298)
Yes.

Wendy (36:49.478)
Okay.

Lori (36:50.52)
I'll tell you what, this is probably why those Beverly Hills Housewives want nothing to do with her. Not a damn one of them act this way. And I would imagine that most of them have more money than Heather and Terry DeBrow. I know they're very well off, but I would imagine that most of the Beverly Hills Housewives are more so well off. You would never see Kyle acting this way. Ever.

Wendy (36:58.769)
No, none of them.

Wendy (37:05.767)
Yes.

Lori (37:17.996)
They don't want that new money around them.

Wendy (37:21.061)
No, no, you wouldn't. I agree with you.

Lori (37:22.222)
It screams desperation for attention.

Wendy (37:29.351)
So Shannon announced that, you know, she grew up around boats. And so this is a city of canals. So she has arranged for them all to go through a tour of the canals through Amsterdam. I was like, that sounds cool. Right? I want to do that now too. So Gina and Emily are sharing a room and everyone else has their own room.

Lori (37:45.752)
Very cool. Very, very cool. Yes. Yes.

Lori (37:57.166)
That was interesting.

Wendy (37:58.631)
They always share a room.

Lori (38:00.687)
I mean, yes, but everybody else had their own room, but they still chose to share one, but okay. I like the trick of that.

Wendy (38:08.347)
Yeah, I mean, it's a hotel. I'm sure that they have the ability to have their own room, but they'd rather be together. They're codependent, which is fine.

Lori (38:15.454)
Exactly. Yeah. Totally fine.

Wendy (38:20.637)
I'll tell you this, I love my friends, love you, but if I have the option to have my own room, I want, yeah, I'll meet you in the lobby. We can hang in the lobby. I want my own space.

Lori (38:27.49)
I want my own room.

Absolutely. You can even come in my room and hang out, but when I'm ready for bed, get out!

Yeah, no, I'm 100 % with you. 100%.

Wendy (38:43.793)
So the ladies all get dressed. I didn't realize that they were immediately going on this boat. Because when they came down with those clothes that they were wearing, I was like, what is going on?

Lori (38:50.028)
I know!

Lori (38:58.988)
Listen, again, I don't want to get heat for this, but what was Jen wearing?

Wendy (39:02.309)
No, listen, we're-

Lori (39:07.02)
I mean, her whole ass was out.

Wendy (39:07.195)
What was Jen wearing? Her whole ass was out. And what about what, first of all, Tamar's skirt was so short, it was ridiculous. Okay, okay, those shorts were so short and Emily's dress with all those cutouts.

Lori (39:13.07)
It's a

Lori (39:17.72)
Those were shorts Tamra had on.

Lori (39:27.054)
can't. Like, what are you doing?

Wendy (39:31.069)
I have never seen these ladies dressed like this before, ever.

Lori (39:35.818)
Ever, ever, yeah, you know what, you're right. It must have been because they were in Amsterdam and Red Light District. That was it. That was it.

Wendy (39:46.653)
I mean, that, because they were getting dressed once. So they were doing the boat tour and then they were going to dinner and then they were going to the red light desert. But I'm sorry, when they get on the boat like that, I was like, oh, this was your boat attire? Like, and when Emily went to get on the boat, you could see this huge bruise on her thigh through her cutout. I was like, oh my gosh, yes. I mean, and I'm someone who bruises easily. I, you know.

Lori (39:52.408)
Right.

Lori (40:08.086)
I didn't even notice that.

Lori (40:12.75)
Yeah, me too, me too, yeah.

Wendy (40:15.599)
Like, I was like, my God, like these women.

Lori (40:17.998)
That so funny.

Wendy (40:21.981)
Heather asked the boat driver if he can go to, you know, down the Herring Barret because her parents used to live there and you know, that's the canal near their house. And he's like, yeah. And Gina's like, do you have the ashes? She's like, no, they're back in the hotel. I was like, well that was poor planning. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So they go through the seven bridges, the seven bridges canal, which was very cool to see.

Lori (40:31.405)
Yeah.

Lori (40:40.162)
I know it would have been perfect, right? Cause now they gotta go back.

Lori (40:52.138)
wait, real quick, how about when Emily said that she took her kids to build a bear and she put her voice in a bear for Luke so that when she's gone, I thought that was a nice idea for anyone who has a child who maybe has some separation anxiety.

Wendy (41:03.292)
I was.

Wendy (41:07.045)
Yeah, it was a nice idea.

Lori (41:08.93)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (41:11.965)
So they get to Heather's house and she points it out, the one with her parents, you where they had lived, the one with the black door, which looked gorgeous, like, looked like a wonderful place to live. Yes.

Lori (41:20.904)
Mm-hmm Yeah, especially right across from that canal like Like you know sit outside in the morning and have your coffee and just look at that. I would love that

Wendy (41:33.829)
I thought those boats on the canal were interesting too. Like some of them were like super long with like the roof on them. And I liked their boat. I liked their open boat. I thought I liked their boat tour. Tamra said that she Googled things to do in Amsterdam and there's this place where you can go bedazzle penises. Gretchen announces that she's not going to partake which...

Lori (41:42.326)
Yeah, me too, yeah.

Wendy (42:02.255)
Honestly, I would not partake either.

Lori (42:05.9)
Right, did she give a reason why I forget?

Wendy (42:08.859)
She didn't. Nope, she didn't. She didn't.

Lori (42:11.244)
I'm just wondering if she's using her faith as, you like, I can't do that. I'm a Christian. Cause I feel Gretchen picks and chooses when she pulls that card out. Yeah.

Wendy (42:15.399)
Yeah.

So then.

she does.

Wendy (42:26.801)
She definitely does. But then Emily says that question that I love, says to Shannon, let me ask you a question. Because you always say about your boundaries, do you think Tamra was being shady when she asked you about your dad? Okay, so now you're bringing it up again too.

Lori (42:44.014)
Why bring it up now? Why bring it up now? Because it's not like this is Shannon's only issue with Tamra. This is just an added issue that Shannon has with Tamra.

Wendy (42:59.749)
It's right, you're absolutely right. And I think why she brought it up now is because Gina's sitting there right next to her and Gina says, so you're gonna bring this up. You're bringing it, you're go in right in there now. And Emily said, well, I had some champagne. And then they flashed to the scene that happened just before they got on the boat with Heather in the room with Gina and Emily where Gina told them what happened. Because Heather and Emily were in LA when this whole conversation happened at Temecula.

Lori (43:29.272)
They already knew about it. This has already been discussed in the group. This isn't the first time it's being discussed in the group.

Wendy (43:39.973)
Listen, I agree with you. And the fact that Emily's the one that has to bring it up, I don't care that you had a glass of champagne, Emily.

Lori (43:41.932)
Yeah.

Lori (43:46.763)
Exactly, exactly. It's just silly. It was definitely brought up in front of the group because I remember saying, because Gina was like, I don't think Tamara was bringing it up to be malicious or something. And I thought, yes, she was. But I remember it came up when they went to the self-defense thing.

Wendy (44:11.109)
Okay, that was after. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, Emily then turns to Tamara and says, were you being shady? And Tamara says, no. But when they were back in the room, Heather had said, do you think Shannon was blowing this out of proportion? Heather's the one that asked the question. And Emily said, yes, she's blowing it out of proportion. I personally, right, right.

Lori (44:34.798)
How? She's not talking about it. She's not blowing anything out of proportion. She had a reaction. She's committed to that reaction. And that's it. She's not bringing it up.

Wendy (44:46.149)
Right. I first of all don't think she was blowing it out of proportion. I think the fact that you guys keep bringing it up and it's ridiculous. It's absolutely ridiculous. So Shannon's response was I did feel like it was a did a dig.

Wendy (45:04.003)
Emily jumps in and says, I felt like her statement was her trying to be compassionate. Okay. Then she says again, she says again, Emily said, let me ask you a question. When she said she's sorry about bringing up your dad, are you able to forgive her? No, Shannon says, I don't blame her. I wouldn't forgive her either.

Lori (45:25.016)
Nope. And again, this is not the only thing she's not forgiving her for.

Wendy (45:27.345)
Why do you-

Wendy (45:31.643)
Right, right, there's other things. There's other things.

Lori (45:34.477)
Yeah.

Wendy (45:39.111)
So Shannon says, well, you can say things and go, yeah, and she's doing this with her hands and puts her arm across her head. And Tamara's like, I don't do this. I don't do this. But you did, and I can apologize, but you can't move forward. She didn't say she couldn't move forward. Just because she's not accepting your apology doesn't mean she's not moving forward.

Lori (45:58.249)
She's moving forward in a relationship with you that she's comfortable with that is not a close friendship You have to accept it You are not accepting it and you have your employee Emily doing your dirty work and now Trying to make Shannon look like the bad guy because not only here does she make her look like the bad guy But when it's Jen Emily and Tamara Later in the episode they try to make Shannon look like the bad guy

Wendy (46:03.323)
Right. Right.

Right!

Wendy (46:27.591)
They do, and it's very, very frustrating. It's very frustrating.

Lori (46:30.284)
Yep. All because she doesn't want to be Tamara's friend. It's again, it's that mentality. You're either with us or you're against us.

Wendy (46:40.443)
Yep. Yeah. Yeah. I mean.

Lori (46:41.954)
Housewives sucks people, all of them. They're all starting to suck really, except Salt Lake City.

Wendy (46:51.643)
Yeah, not yet. I mean, we're only four episodes in, so there's still time.

Lori (46:54.478)
We are only four episodes in. Right, exactly.

Wendy (47:00.189)
So Shannon says, know, what, whatever you called, you called me the C word 18 times at the dinner table. And Tamara said, you are, and she said the word. She didn't say C word. She said the word and she said it again. She kept saying the word and Jen said, okay, stop, like don't go back.

Lori (47:16.088)
Yep. Had she been drinking, Tamra? I'm just curious. You think she had been drinking at this point? She must have been. Yeah. Yeah. She must have been drinking.

Wendy (47:21.533)
She must have been. I mean, they were all drinking champagne. They were all drinking champagne. Jen jumps in and says, don't pull your shit on me. And Tamar yells at her, I'm not talking to you. Like, stay out of this. Shannon said, just.

Lori (47:38.328)
She always dismisses Jen like, like I don't even care. Like, you know.

Wendy (47:45.157)
Emily says, sometimes it's hard to decipher. It's not hard to decipher anything.

Wendy (47:52.117)
And then Heather says to Tamara, can you highlight when you want to be an asshole? And Tamara said, it's like Tamara got pissed and Heather said, I'm joking. Tamara said, yeah, all right, I'll highlight it with a yellow marker. Because she was being an asshole. She was being an asshole.

Lori (48:08.728)
She's always an asshole. There's levels with Tamra. This is a higher level of assholeness, but she's always being an asshole. She's the worst housewife. They should never have let her back because all you did was inflate her ego as if the show couldn't go on without her. Do your fucking job, producers. Find better housewives. Don't keep bringing this shit up from the past. I'm so over it. She's the absolute worst. Get her off.

the show and get a new cast, find new good housewives. They're so lazy, these producers had it with this show.

Wendy (48:50.897)
I hear that, I hear that. Then Heather says, okay, let's put a pin in this. Gina, we're going to get a blunt. I was like, okay. I mean, I was glad to not be talking about it again.

Lori (49:04.238)
For sure.

Wendy (49:05.681)
But all right, Gina says, yes, like I love bad Heather.

Lori (49:09.56)
Don't you feel like a lot happened in this first day?

Wendy (49:13.98)
my god, yes, yes.

Lori (49:16.024)
They go on this canal tour, now they're separating, right? And Jen, Emily, and Tamara go to dick decorate, and then the other four go to get high, and then they meet up for dinner. I feel like it was a lot for one day.

Wendy (49:19.419)
Yep. Yep.

Wendy (49:25.279)
I like that. Yep.

Wendy (49:32.06)
Yes.

It was, it was a lot. It was a lot. And that was only half of the show, because the other half, they were still in the OC. So that was only 30 minutes of the show that we got. Because I was looking at the time, I was like, there is a lot going on in this episode.

Lori (49:39.181)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (49:45.388)
Right.

Lori (49:52.908)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (49:56.933)
Yeah, so since you did that, let's go skip to the dinner.

Lori (50:02.562)
Well, wait, let's not skip to the dinner yet because this is where,

Wendy (50:04.401)
Unless there's something. Okay.

Wendy (50:10.874)
yeah, where they start. Yeah, where they start ganging up on her.

Lori (50:13.004)
Tamara and Emily bring up to Jen, so Jen tells Emily and Tamara that she received to save the date for Alexis' wedding, but Shannon asked her not to go. Now when they flashback, we don't see Shannon ask her not to go, we see her say to Shannon, I don't wanna basically have a problem with you, so I'm not gonna go, and Shannon says thank you. We don't, however, know if Shannon possibly asked Jen prior to that to not go. She could have, we don't know.

Wendy (50:23.367)
Right.

Wendy (50:34.887)
Right.

Wendy (50:41.116)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (50:42.766)
and obviously Emily and Tamara have feelings about that and they don't think it's fair that she would have to cut off a friendship with Alexis. Now, Emily starts saying, basically Emily and Tamara start asking Jen if they think Shannon was having the luncheon for her to make herself look good or if it was truly to do something nice for Jen. Now.

We have seen Shannon throw in people's faces like, I've done this, I've done that. We've seen it. But I really don't think that this is the case. I really think that first of all, they needed to set up the conversation to go away, right? This is where that all went down, where they said they need to go away and that they're gonna go to Amsterdam. So we needed a scene to do that anyway.

And I think that this was just a nice thing that Shannon did for Jen. I don't think that there was any selfish intent behind it.

Wendy (51:45.181)
I agree with you. actually the fact that, know, Emily again started the question, let me ask you a question. You're bridal thing. I felt like you weren't really into it. And Jen's like, right. Like that's so, first of all, she's an attorney. That is so leading. It's not even funny. And that's what she does with all of her questions. They are all leading questions. Every question she asks. And she starts it off with,

Lori (51:58.787)
Yeah, why would you say that to somebody?

Wendy (52:15.035)
Let me ask you a question. So anytime Emily says, let me ask you a question, know that she's walking you into something. Just know that.

Lori (52:23.106)
Yeah, don't answer. I'll tell you what though, this was driving me crazy because again, we're jumping back and forth between the two. We're going back and forth, back and forth. It was driving me crazy.

Wendy (52:26.427)
Yeah.

Wendy (52:33.275)
Yes. Yep, we did.

Wendy (52:41.265)
Yeah, because then they start talking to Gretchen. Gretchen asked Gina and Heather, is there a possibility of me moving forward with Tamara? And they both say yes.

And Heather says,

Lori (52:56.984)
Why would you even want to if you were Gretchen? Why would you even want to?

Wendy (53:01.989)
I think because she wants to be on the show. Yeah. And they both say yes. And Heather says, I think the problem was at the Western party, was you going over there with Slade? Gretchen said, do you understand why we went with Slade? And Heather says, no, I don't agree. Gretchen said, we didn't come in aggressive. Heather said, other people don't agree with you. So when Heather says it, it just shuts it down.

Lori (53:04.012)
be on the show.

Lori (53:29.635)
Yeah.

Wendy (53:30.799)
And, then Gina says this, which I thought was really good. She said, she says, Gretchen, you reduced yourself to a place where you shouldn't have to go. And Gretchen says, well, unfortunately with Tamara, I found that fighting fire with fire is the only way to go. And Gina and Heather are both telling her no. And Heather in her confessional says, Heather said, it's like fighting fire with lighter fluid. And that's what happens with those two. That's what happens.

Lori (53:53.891)
Yes, yes, yes. Yeah, they're saying like you guys are biting at each other and they're totally right. But nobody says that to Tamra. Nobody says to Tamra, you're acting the same way as Gretchen. You and Gretchen are doing the same thing to each other.

Wendy (54:03.247)
Right. Right.

Wendy (54:16.145)
Feel like Emily has said that to Tamara. Emily did say it to Tamara.

Lori (54:21.102)
Maybe she's just not receiving it then. Because Gretchen seemed to... Well, I guess Gretchen didn't really receive it either. She's like, let me count the ways I'm not like Tamara.

Wendy (54:23.837)
What's?

No, Gretchen didn't receive it, no.

Right, no, she didn't receive it either. But I did love how high Shannon was from her, what do they call it? What kind of muffin? What do they call it? a space cake. They called it a space cake, OMG.

Lori (54:38.382)
Me too. Space cake.

I love it too. mean, if there's going to be somebody I don't personally enjoy being under the influence of weed. I don't react well to it. But if I was going to do it, think Shannon would be a good person to do it with. So much fun.

Wendy (54:57.933)
my God, so much fun. I wanna go out with Shannon next time she has a space cake because I never laughed so hard. I mean, she fell out of the van. Gretchen had to help her get up the stairs. mean, then they cut to the scene. This was so funny where Shannon is telling Stella on the phone, what happens if you do drugs? You die.

Lori (55:04.803)
Yeah.

Lori (55:14.488)
So good.

Lori (55:25.038)
my god, that was so good. That was so good.

Wendy (55:27.614)
my.

Wendy (55:34.901)
my God, was that, this, and then the end part was just so funny too. When, when, what did she, what did she drop? her barrette, Shannon dropped her barrette. Shannon dropped her barrette and she's trying to get the barrette and she's sliding underneath the Tamra, underneath the table. Then Tamra goes underneath the table and literally her ass is hanging out, out, totally out. And.

Lori (55:44.866)
dropped her beret.

Lori (55:58.392)
Ass out. Yup, ass out.

Wendy (56:03.255)
She grabs up at Shannon's boob and Shannon's yelling, she's trying to get a bite of my muffin. just, I honestly, like I never laughed so hard. Like this is what I like.

Lori (56:14.232)
And then Heather was high too, and she's doing all the ordering and she's probably starving. So they're like, that sounds like a lot of food.

Wendy (56:20.84)
my God, she ordered so much.

But I'll tell you, Heather's high is not nearly as fun as Shannon's high. my God, Shannon's high.

Lori (56:31.476)
No, but I do like the way they bounce off of each other, like when they were putting the glasses up on their eye. I liked it, I liked it. I could see where Heather would be a lot of fun under the influence of weed. That would probably be what it would take for me to hang out with her.

Wendy (56:49.373)
Oh, I wouldn't need that to hang out with her. I would hang out with her even without Wade. Heather in her confessional says, if all it takes is a little space cakes to get Shannon and Heather back together, please buy him a dozen. And Shannon in her confessional said, a squeeze on the breast is much better than being yelled at for sure.

Lori (56:51.638)
Yeah, I know.

Lori (57:01.612)
Yeah, exactly.

Lori (57:09.42)
Yeah, or call the drunk or an alcoholic or you know, whatever else Tamara felt like hurling at her.

Wendy (57:17.085)
That's the whole thing with these two like we have seen Tamara and Shannon have so much fun together and laugh and like that's what I would like to see Why can't we just do that? Why do we have to fight like this? Why do you have to go so low? Why do you have to bring up shit that we don't need to talk about? You could still be real

Lori (57:34.702)
Well, according to Tamra, if she doesn't act like that, nobody's gonna want, know, Andy's gonna fire her from the show. That's according to Shannon. I mean, according to Tamra.

Wendy (57:40.838)
Yeah.

Yeah, Tamra, Tamra, that's what she said on Watch What Happens Live. So, I mean, then we see the next episode, they're going into the red light district. And I wrote down, they're actually getting along, like everything was going well. And then we see a clip 12 hours later, they're all fighting again. I'm like, this is just, it's exhausting. It's exhausting.

Lori (58:02.168)
Yeah.

Lori (58:06.216)
Yeah. Yeah.

Totally agree.

Wendy (58:10.832)
So we'll have to wait and see what happens, but it's not, it's honestly, I don't know. I heard that the reunion is pretty good too. Everyone has said that the reunion is going to be good.

Lori (58:23.574)
Yeah. Well, let's hope Andy holds them responsible, holds them accountable. Let's see if there's, you know, there's no reason Tamra should be in first seat, but there was no reason Alexia should be in first seat either, but you know, I guess they're just giving the oldest housewives the first seat.

Wendy (58:30.738)
Yeah.

Lori (58:45.738)
I guess. Yeah.

Wendy (58:45.851)
Maybe, I don't know. We'll have to wait and see. We'll have to wait and see what happens next week at the red light district. Honestly, I think that should be fun. I'm kind of excited to see that. So until next time, thank you for watching and listening. Please subscribe and give us five star reviews. Bye.

Lori (58:51.318)
Yeah. Yeah. I hope so. Hope so. Yeah.

Lori (59:04.089)
Bye.