RHOC-Welcome to the Golden Door... of Drama

RHOC-Welcome to the Golden Door... of Drama

Podcast Summary: RHOC S19 E1 – “Revolving Door of Lies”

The season kicks off with Shannon picking up Katie, who just got back from Arizona. Shannon is in a different headspace from last year, and invites the ladies to a healing retreat at The Golden Door. Katie appreciates Shannon's support and feels close to her, especially after the drama from the reunion.

Drama unfolds as Katie reveals that Emily’s ex-nanny reached out to her with information that ended up on a podcast, which deeply upset Emily. Katie insists she didn’t seek the nanny out but admits she should’ve ignored it. Meanwhile, Emily accuses Katie of intentionally stirring the pot and dragging bloggers into their private lives.

Emily is also dealing with her son’s eating disorder and possible autism diagnosis, adding emotional depth and real-life stakes. Her raw vulnerability is contrasted by Katie’s evasiveness and inconsistencies, leaving the group torn on who to trust.

Tamra opens up in therapy about her trauma and possibly being on the spectrum. She also reignites conflict with Katie over blogger accusations and blocked Instagram accounts. At the same time, Jenn and Ryan prepare for a wedding—sans Tamra—and drama bubbles between Jenn and Gina, who calls Katie a “con artist,” claiming Jenn told her that.

The Golden Door trip is supposed to bring healing, but tension builds. Katie and Jenn arrive last, and despite Katie offering to host a lunch as an olive branch, the ladies confront her again. Emily is hurt and financially burdened from legal issues tied to Katie’s involvement with the nanny. Gina and Tamra express distrust, and Heather warns against blogger drama.

Meanwhile on Watch What Happens Live, Tamra is grilled about whether she’s changed through therapy (most viewers say no), while Katie is voted most likely to get caught in a lie. The episode also touches on RHOA reunion drama, alliances, stylist wars, and abortion rumors, shifting the spotlight onto Kelli, Britt, and Porsha.

Transcript

Wendy (00:01.621)
to WeWineWhenever. I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:03.903)
I'm Kelly.

Wendy (00:05.437)
I am so excited that Orange County is back. We are recapping season 19 episode number one, Revolving Door of Lies. I think that this is appropriately titled.

Kelli (00:21.006)
agreed.

Wendy (00:22.177)
I also, I'm sure you noticed this, I've noticed, and it's not just the housewives, but I've noticed that Bravo shows are editing a little bit differently and their intros and their music and their fade into their scenes is a little bit more upbeat. Yes, dramatic. I mean, I would say upbeat. I specifically noticed it with Below Deck, or you didn't watch the latest Below Deck.

Kelli (00:40.76)
Dramatic.

Wendy (00:51.563)
Like when they give you like.

Kelli (00:52.27)
I gotta be honest with you. I tried to watch it today with Captain Carrie Yeah, I tried to watch it today because it's in my DVR. I don't like that guy. I can't get into it

Wendy (00:55.711)
You did? Yeah.

Wendy (01:02.729)
Yeah, like when they do like the intro of the cast mates, like they throw in all these pictures at the same time. And then like they're doing like this little, they're talking just the whole way, like the way they're shooting it. And I was noticing in the same thing with the OC, like the scenery that they're giving us, you know, like we started out like at everyone's house. Like we were at Shannon's new house. were at Matt was doing like, yeah, like we're, they're giving us a lot more like visuals, like that we.

Kelli (01:17.709)
Yeah.

Kelli (01:25.385)
Yeah, I did like that.

Kelli (01:31.906)
Right, right, right, right.

Wendy (01:32.651)
that we haven't seen before, you know? So I like that because I'm normally taking notes and I'm not really watching, but now I have to just really stop and actually watch it. Like I wanna watch it, I wanna see what's new, I wanna see where they're at, I wanna see, you know, what's going on.

Kelli (01:35.042)
Right. Yeah.

Kelli (01:50.072)
Yeah, I have been pausing a lot and rewinding a lot while I'm taking notes. Because I sit with my laptop on my lap and then I'm watching the TV and I'm, but a lot of times, and I'm a fast typer, but a lot of times I'm like, shit, wait, like I gotta pause and rewind.

Wendy (01:53.259)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Wendy (02:00.651)
Right.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yep. I've noticed I'm doing the same thing. And a lot of times I'm doing, plus I'll use my iPad, I'm doing voice to text. And of course it screws it up, but that does help me a little bit, the voice to text, but I still have to stop it because there's a lot going on, especially when they're going back and forth, because they're doing a lot of that. They start with like two people talking about one thing and then they...

Kelli (02:20.822)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (02:25.208)
There's so much.

Wendy (02:33.333)
cut to another scene that has nothing to do with that. And then we have two other people talking about the same thing that other, but it's a different angle. Are you noticing that too?

Kelli (02:41.09)
I

Yes, it's very confusing. It's just hard to keep up. It's like, it's like that, you know, remember the show, you know, This Is Us. Like, Eric tried to watch that with me when it first came on, but they're flashing back, they're flashing forward, then they're in present time, he's like, forget it, I'm out.

Wendy (02:45.863)
It really is. It's hard to keep up and honestly.

Wendy (02:55.049)
Yes.

and they do flashbacks.

Wendy (03:03.593)
Mm-hmm, I know. But I was thinking about it when I was taking these notes. I mean, you and I are seasoned veterans on these shows. We've been watching for 19 seasons, right? So even for us, it's hard. can't imagine if someone's gonna start now. Like they are gonna be so lost. So any of our listeners that are just starting now, please bear with it or just come listen to us and tell your friends to listen to us. Cause we really try and break it down. It really is a lot.

Kelli (03:11.32)
That's right, that's right.

Kelli (03:16.631)
Right.

Kelli (03:29.74)
Yeah, it's a lot though.

Wendy (03:33.226)
It is.

Kelli (03:33.814)
It really has evolved.

Wendy (03:36.041)
No, it definitely has. It definitely has.

Kelli (03:37.474)
I mean, if you go back and watch season one of OC, it's night and day to what it is now.

Wendy (03:42.112)
Mm-hmm.

It really is. It really is. So after we see all their houses and stuff, I was glad to see Shannon has a new place. it is cute. She picks up Katie. Katie just got back from Arizona. Her husband, Matt, was hosting a golf outing and she's talking about how there were so many men there. But Shannon says that she doesn't see any men in her future for this year. That she's in a completely different place than she was last year. And I'm happy for Shannon if that...

Kelli (03:52.844)
Yeah, cute, very cute.

Wendy (04:15.027)
is in fact what happens. I think

Kelli (04:17.006)
Yeah, I she even said like she's got a vision board and men aren't on it. So that's good.

Wendy (04:20.361)
Right. That is good. That is good. And she's talking about how she's inviting all the ladies to go to the Golden Door. I did not look it up, but I definitely am going to look it up. Didn't realize what it was until we get there until the end that all these celebrities go there. And she was there a few weeks ago and they told her that she could bring her friends. And then she goes.

Kelli (04:44.076)
Is that the place she went to with Jeff Lewis? It has to be, right?

Wendy (04:48.492)
Kelli (04:49.703)
He went somewhere with Shannon.

Wendy (04:51.379)
Who and Beverly De An... Wasn't it Beverly DeAngelo? I know it was, I think it was her. He went someplace with a couple of them. That may have been it.

Kelli (04:56.642)
What do I love?

Kelli (05:05.538)
Yeah.

Wendy (05:07.637)
That's interesting, I didn't even think of that. Now we're gonna have to look that up. And they probably did it for like advertising reasons. That's certainly why they did it for OC, to invite the friends. don't, you know.

Kelli (05:21.186)
Yeah, because when Shannon normally goes, when she goes, she normally goes for a week. They were only going for the day. Yeah.

Wendy (05:25.907)
Right, right, they were just going for the day. Exactly, exactly. But then her and Katie are going shopping because Katie wants a new BMW. Okay, these are the kind of things that I don't need to see. I really don't need to see you shopping. It's frivolous. Right, it's just frivolous.

Kelli (05:38.784)
No, because it's all like, does she, is she really gonna buy that car? I mean, she probably is, but when we saw Britt go on Atlanta, it's like, you're not buying that car.

Wendy (05:46.517)
Yeah.

Yeah, those are the scenes I don't like to see. I don't like to see those frivolous scenes. But Katie's saying that she feels pretty close to Shannon because she felt like she was the only one that stuck up for her at the reunion. And she was. She really was. Shannon starts telling her that Emily called her up and said that when she brought up her kids, Emily's kids, that she really crossed a line. And Katie said that she thought it was funny.

Kelli (06:02.04)
She was.

Wendy (06:17.855)
what her daughter had said. Now this is kind of where it gets confusing. So I guess after the reunion, when it came up that Katie's daughter, Kylie, babysat for Emily's kids and she said that Emily's kids said,

Kelli (06:38.104)
We don't like Heather, she's mean to my mom.

Wendy (06:40.339)
Exactly. And Emily got all bent out of shape. She said, never talk about this in front of my kids. There's no way that my kids said that. That never happened. But then we see the scene where we do see her talking in front of the kids. Not that specific thing, but we do see it happening, right?

Kelli (07:01.237)
Mm-hmm. Yes.

Wendy (07:05.747)
I don't know. Emily used to be one of my favorite housewives. Last season, the way she acted, how she acted superior and like little Miss Lawyer and how she was coming for Shannon and how she was coming for Katie. And I just, really, I lost a lot of respect for Emily. I did, because I don't think that she needs to be that mean girl bully just to be friends with Heather.

Kelli (07:10.551)
Me too.

Kelli (07:33.778)
and that's exactly why she's doing it. And Tamara, she wants to stay in Heather and Tamara's good graces and she figures this is how. But here's the thing, Emily, you can't, she basically called Katie an unfit mother at the reunion. She said, there are two reasons you lose your children. You called her an unfit mother and outed her custody situation with her ex-husband.

Wendy (07:35.787)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (07:51.681)
That's right. Yep. Yes.

Wendy (08:01.087)
Yes. Yes.

Kelli (08:02.144)
So you can't now say, don't bring my kids into it. I mean, way worse. And now I'm wondering, like, did she do that at the reunion because of what happened with the daughter? Like, that's probably why she came into the reunion and acted like that. But still, it's way worse. You're a lawyer, Emily. That's a legal situation you're talking about.

Wendy (08:06.557)
I totally agree. think what she did was way worse. I think what she did was way worse.

Kelli (08:31.15)
We're not talking about an eight-year-old may or may not making a comment. You're talking about a legal custody situation that sounds like it might still be going on because her one kid doesn't even live with her. And her daughter doesn't talk to the father.

Wendy (08:44.053)
Right. Right.

Right. And we don't know because we had talked about this last season when we met Katie, we weren't really sure. We kind of thought there may have been some sort of abuse situation and that she kind of left with what was on her back, which is why she didn't have a stable place, which is why she lost the custody because her family wasn't supporting her because they liked him so much.

Kelli (09:03.842)
Basically that's

Wendy (09:14.505)
Now again, we don't know the whole story, but the fact of the matter is there are children involved. And I agree with you. I think what Emily did at the reunion in regards to Katie and what she said about her was way worse.

Kelli (09:28.91)
Yeah, and how come nobody is saying it? Like, Gina's coming hard for Katie now. Like, what are you doing? All, listen, Katie did, said one thing about Heather. That's it. But that's who Heather is. That's who Heather is. She's never gonna let it go. She's never gonna get past it. She thinks she's the HBIC, and everybody's gonna do her dirty work, and Emily's doing her dirty work.

Wendy (09:36.169)
I don't know.

Wendy (09:46.945)
Right.

Kelli (09:57.592)
And that's it, and she's not gonna be happy until Katie's off the show.

Wendy (10:01.895)
I'm very curious to see what happens next week with the lie detector test. I hope that is in fact next week or just what's coming up.

Kelli (10:08.587)
I mean, have we seen a lie detector test on housewives yet? Vanderpump, Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Remember Lisa Vanderpump did one about the Lucy Lucy Apple Juicy? I think that's what she did. Of course she did.

Wendy (10:21.921)
Yeah, but she did it by herself, didn't she? I don't think we saw that. I don't think we saw that. Like, it wasn't like on camera where we saw everybody there, like...

Kelli (10:32.944)
it was just talked about that she did it. Okay. But she did it like on her own, like she hired a private company, which I'm sure these women are doing too, but they're all doing it.

Wendy (10:35.099)
Yeah, I don't think we saw the actual...

Yes, yes. No, but they're filming it. They're filming it, right. So they're all there.

I mean, then I just thought it was interesting that she, when she's telling, she's telling Shannon what happened, you know, her daughter, Kylie went on a podcast and talked about it. And then that's when the nanny, the ex nanny reached out and said, everything she's saying is true. Your daughter is not lying. And Katie's like, well, you know, you can contact the podcast if you want to get your side of the story out. You know, this is, and she didn't listen.

The podcast was the podcast. was out there, whether she told her which podcast it was or not. It was public information.

Kelli (11:24.27)
totally agree with you. I have that in my notes. Like she didn't need Katie to tell her what podcast she was on. The girl, there's a thing is Google. You Google it, you find out what the podcast is and you contact them. And listen, any, I don't like all about TRH. I can't stand them. But any podcaster who got a DM from Emily Simpson's ex nanny would have jumped all over that. Anyone.

Wendy (11:26.369)
Like, no, it was already out, right. And you DM them. That's it, right. I thought it was interesting that it was TRH.

I don't either. I don't either.

Wendy (11:49.697)
Yeah, yes, 100%. I completely agree, right? I thought that whole thing was bullshit. I'm like, are you really, is this really where you're going with this? And by the way, her daughter's an adult. Katie's daughter's an adult. So what Katie's daughter does, Katie's daughter does, you know, she can't control her.

Kelli (11:54.136)
So.

Kelli (11:57.603)
Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, she didn't need Katie to tell her. Right.

Wendy (12:12.321)
she absolutely did. And she did ask her daughter to take something down because she did say something that was a little bit off color and, she did take it down, but it took a while. But again, something like that. But again, she's an adult, right?

Kelli (12:13.174)
And she said that at the reunion.

Kelli (12:21.9)
Yeah. Something about hoes. She called them all hoes. Yeah, exactly.

Wendy (12:30.849)
Then we find out that Gina and Travis, well Gina actually made the decision for them to move back in together. I don't know if they bought this house or not, but it's in the same neighborhood and it's 2,800 square feet and it's five bedrooms so they'll have enough space and not be all crammed in, which I'm so happy for her about that and Travis. I think it's interesting that she had to go to Bali to figure this out that she had this

Kelli (12:50.722)
Me too, me too, yeah.

Wendy (12:58.965)
you know, awakening while she was in Molly that, yes, yes. So just like, okay, all right. So Emily comes over to see her new place and Gina starts telling her that she went to the dog beach with Jen and Shannon. And again, they're talking about the whole Katie and podcaster thing, which is why I say it gets confusing because basically they're saying the same thing that we already knew, right?

Kelli (12:59.054)
She connected with the wind and discovered she was living in fear.

Wendy (13:29.067)
that they're, you know, Kylie did the podcast and Jen said to the nanny, can contact the podcast to get your story out. Katie says that Emily bringing up the custody of her children at the reunion, making her look like a bad mom, which we just said is, I totally agree, it's way worse. They both agree that Emily and Katie should just sit down and talk. I agree that that should happen.

Kelli (13:48.28)
Totally agree.

Wendy (13:56.715)
Then we see Stella calls Shannon and she is in Amsterdam living her best life. I like Shannon's daughters. I really do.

Kelli (14:03.384)
Me too, me too. I like that the two are in New York together. Too bad they didn't get on that next-gen NYC show.

Wendy (14:07.391)
I do. I like that too.

Wendy (14:11.957)
You know what? think that they're doing okay. I actually speaking of that, saw somebody asked Terry Dubrow, because there's going to be an LA version, next gen LA. And he couldn't completely confirm.

Kelli (14:25.902)
We're just breeding a whole new generation of entitled people who have zero talent, who are just gonna get famous for being on TV, and we're gonna watch it. I'm not.

Wendy (14:36.225)
well, I am. I'm gonna watch it. I am gonna watch it. But Max, no, no, not Max. Nick, his son, Nicky was approached to be on it. He hasn't confirmed or denied.

Kelli (14:51.522)
I wonder, is he still doing real estate, they say?

Wendy (14:54.261)
Did not say, did not say. We find out that Max is in Paris and she's doing well. She suffers from anxiety. So Heather initially tried to talk her out of going to Paris because of the anxiety, but you know, she's doing well and she's, you know, glad that I guess she didn't talk her out of it, right?

Kelli (15:14.124)
Yeah, I think it was a little irresponsible of her though. And I know that this is just who Heather is and she just thinks she's so funny. when she's like, who can have anxiety in Paris, the food, the this, the that. If your child really has anxiety, you know that none of that shit matters. So it's kind of a foolish thing to say.

Wendy (15:28.191)
Right.

Yeah. Right. No, 100%. No, I completely agree.

And then we see they're talking about their house that they bought in Beverly Hills and when they bought it they had all these plans to do this big remodel and the builder was in on the plans and then all of a sudden the builder comes back with a price it's eight million dollars over their budget after he tore the house apart. Well that seems a little irresponsible contract wise from the Dubros.

Kelli (16:05.346)
I think that their scenes are all so overproduced, it's disgusting. And I think that the way they talk, he's like 45,000, you spend that on a party at Nobu. Well then why are you sweating $8 million over your budget to build a house in Beverly Hills?

Wendy (16:09.569)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (16:19.051)
Right.

Kelli (16:27.512)
There's something more to the story, but we'll never know, because they don't really show their lives. They're like the Meredith Marks. They're not really showing us what's really going on, let's face it.

Wendy (16:35.999)
Hmm.

You're probably right. We're not going to see. I agree with you. eight million. mean, yes, eight million is a ridiculous number to be over budget, but considering how much money they made on their last house and how much money he continues to make. And he's got the new season, which I want to see the new season of botched where he has Brielle Biermann on and Kim Zolciak and all the fillers. And I think that, you know, I want to see it. You know, I think it's horrible that these young kids.

Kelli (16:41.228)
Right? Isn't that odd that they would be sweating?

Kelli (17:08.792)
why they changed that show. Like, why are they putting reality, like, why are they putting these people on now? Like, I like seeing like normal people, regular people that aren't already famous, like, but I guess maybe they just ran out, like.

Wendy (17:09.29)
are doing this.

Wendy (17:20.489)
Well, I think they do both. I think they do both though. I don't think that they just do, it just happens to be one of the episodes. I mean, they do other people too, I believe. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no. I think this just happens to be, no, no, this just happens to be one of the episodes.

Kelli (17:30.071)
okay. so it's not like a whole new premise of a show. I thought that's what it was.

Kelli (17:41.07)
I wonder if he's gonna have Brandy Glanville on, remember? He said he was gonna help her.

Wendy (17:45.119)
Well, I don't know that he would have her on the show. He definitely said he was going to help her. Brandi has said that she's talked to him. And I think he is trying to help her behind the scenes. But this is not just a question of plastic surgery. This is not just botched plastic surgery. There's a lot going on with Brandi. there's a lot

Kelli (18:01.752)
no, yeah. Plus if it's a Bravo show, they're not gonna probably let her on.

Wendy (18:09.215)
Well, regardless of that, like, I don't... Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (18:11.438)
She was trying to sue them.

well, I get it.

Wendy (18:17.343)
So yeah, the $45,000, they're gonna put the floors in, guess, whatever.

Then we see Emily is sitting at the counter with her boys and she's talking to them about lunch. And Luke has had pirate's booty and Gatorade today. We find out the twins are almost 10, so there's still nine. And two months ago, she took him, Luke, to a therapist and said that he was diagnosed with ARFID, which stands for avoidance.

restricted food intake disorder. I actually had never heard of that before. Have you heard of it? Okay. I'd never heard of it. The therapist was explaining he doesn't understand that he feels hungry, like food in general disgusts him. I thought to myself, well, this is very interesting. I also saw before I even watched the episode that she was getting so much hate online for

Kelli (18:59.404)
Me neither. Nope.

Wendy (19:20.417)
putting this story out about her son having an eating disorder at his age. Like how insensitive of her. I'm like, again, I'm annoyed with Emily, but I don't think she did anything wrong with telling this story. Especially if she can help other people. Yes, he is only 10 and he is a minor, but this is what's going on in her life.

Kelli (19:36.035)
I mean.

Kelli (19:42.594)
think it's really a conversation between she and Shane and whatever they choose to put out there, they choose to put out there.

Wendy (19:45.555)
Right, this is what's going on.

It's right. It's their family. It's their family.

Kelli (19:51.982)
I understand that this kid doesn't have a say right now in it, unless they talk to him about it, but he does seem a little uncomfortable when she's asking him, like, did you eat today? What did you eat today? Like, are you gonna eat this? But, you know, I don't know.

Wendy (19:59.317)
Well.

Wendy (20:03.872)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (20:11.721)
I don't know, I feel like she shouldn't be getting hate for this. I understand people think that it's her family. It's her and her husband's family. It's what is really happening in her life. I know that, what's her name? Jill Zarin's daughter had made a comment when, what other housewife kid came up with something that was very personal and they thought that they were gonna...

Kelli (20:20.022)
It's what she's going through. At least she's putting something real out there.

Right.

Kelli (20:38.774)
No, I remember this. I forget.

Wendy (20:40.321)
They thought that they were going to regret it and I can't remember who it was, but she had very strong feelings about it because she felt like, you know, she went through a lot with her arthritis and she didn't have a choice. But whoever she was talking about, and it will come to me, yes, it was Mary Cosby's son. And they did not feel that way. Like they wanted to put this story out there. Now, granted, Mary Cosby's son is older and

Kelli (20:53.058)
Mary Cosby's son.

Wendy (21:07.507)
is an adult and able to make that decision. But I don't think I don't think what she's doing is wrong. I think that she's going to help people I do I think when you're honest.

Kelli (21:18.072)
think that's the reason she's doing it. I had never heard of this. And we both had people in our families that have mental health issues and we know a lot and I've never heard of this. somebody, I did see a couple of posts where people were coming at her and somebody said, I think it's somebody like Bravo Snarkside or Bravo and Betches. One of the ones that come up a lot said, I'm glad she did this because my child has that.

Wendy (21:20.864)
Right.

Wendy (21:25.503)
Yes. Right.

Wendy (21:39.55)
It probably was.

Kelli (21:46.572)
And people do not talk about it. People are not educated on it. So, I mean, listen, it's up to her.

Wendy (21:46.689)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (21:50.813)
Right. And that's the whole thing is that people don't. Right. It's her family.

Kelli (21:56.394)
Right, it's her family.

Wendy (21:58.209)
Emily and her confessional, she's crying and she's explaining that he says he's starving, but then he doesn't want to eat anything. And she offers him everything and he just doesn't eat. And we both know this, like when our kids are hurting, we're hurting. it's the most helpless feeling. it is the most, as a parent, as a mother specifically, you just feel helpless. All she wanna do is fix the problem.

Kelli (22:14.392)
Yep, you're only as happy as your saddest child.

Wendy (22:25.779)
and there's no way you can't love it. You can't love it out of them. Like whatever it is they're growing through, you can't just love it out of them. And it's so hard to go through. I saw kind of in the upcoming and even in this episode, as much as I love Shane, Shane doesn't get it. And I know what that's like. Our husbands don't always feel the same way we feel and they're not as passionate about it as we are.

Kelli (22:49.581)
Right.

Wendy (22:51.283)
Husbands in general, men in general think that we are being dramatic and overreacting when that is not the case. And you feel lonely because this is your partner. So I'm glad that that's gonna come out. I'm glad that they're gonna talk about it. Because I think that that's a real issue that many people face, right?

Kelli (23:12.45)
Yeah, for sure. Yep, absolutely.

Wendy (23:15.521)
Unlike the next scene where we see Tamara and her psychotherapist, Dr. Michaela Sarnow.

Kelli (23:22.584)
So not to use a lorry word, but what a juxtaposition to go from Emily talking about a real mental health issue in her family and being so real and raw to Tamara fake crying.

Wendy (23:32.639)
Yes.

Wendy (23:38.975)
As she walks in.

Wendy (23:43.585)
She's been crying since last week's since last week's section. And she starts talking about stuff that she doesn't want to talk about. And it's just very emotional. mm-hmm, mm-hmm, I know.

Kelli (23:43.926)
I can't take her, man.

Kelli (23:54.094)
She wants sympathy from us. You're not getting it. You act awful on this show. I like you on the pod, but you act awful on this show. She blamed everyone for her issues, her ex-husband, her daughter, her father.

Wendy (24:13.087)
Yep. Yep.

She doesn't take ownership. She just doesn't. She's that housewife that never says, I really screwed up. I'm so sorry. How can I make this better? I don't think those words have ever come out of her mouth her entire life.

Kelli (24:18.603)
At all!

Kelli (24:28.894)
Never! Just the fact when she, well we didn't get there yet, but she starts saying how Shannon, I forget what she said, it's in my notes, and I'm thinking, you crushed Shannon last season. All you did was come at her for her drinking.

Wendy (24:41.181)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (24:45.386)
Yeah.

Kelli (24:46.976)
And nobody was buying it.

Wendy (24:49.119)
Right. Right. Nobody was buying it. Nobody was buying it.

Kelli (24:53.932)
Like she says she brings up the spectrum diagnosis and how she got annihilated. It's not that people don't think you have feelings. You're just not a nice person. You're just not a nice person. At least on the show you're not. Maybe in real life, but you're real friends you are, but not on the show.

Wendy (25:13.459)
Yeah, it's that you came on the show and you annihilated Shannon and people gave you shit for it. And then you go on the reunion and say, okay, I screwed up. I'm going to go to therapy. Then you go to therapy and after your first session of therapy, you go on your podcast and again, start crying and say, I just found out I have autism. What?

Kelli (25:42.968)
brutal.

Wendy (25:43.859)
It's like, come on, you want us to believe that? Okay. All right. So then you get annihilated for that. So then you go onto your show, your reality show, and your first scene is with the therapist who told you that, you know, some of these symptoms, these trauma responses can mimic autism. But we need, you know, we need to test you for that. Okay.

talk about produced, it's bullshit. It's just, it's bullshit.

Kelli (26:15.79)
It's such bullshit. It's such bullshit.

I don't know, I don't see anyone saying like, think Tamra's like, we keep Tamra on the show. Cause it's not, it's not like, it's not, it's like, it's kind of like Jax. It's like, he just brings a negative vibe. He just brings toxicity to any situation. And I feel like Tamra's the same way. She's not moving. She always says she moves storylines. So she always looks like the villain.

You're not moving story lines. You're being nasty and toxic.

Wendy (26:55.933)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, I agree. I totally agree. Then the next thing we see is Jen and Ryan are shopping and they're looking for casual beach attire for the wedding because they want to wear, they want to get married on the beach and they don't want to wear dresses and suits. I really think that she does want to wear a bikini to the wedding. I think that's the plan. Listen, if anybody can pull it off.

Kelli (27:18.222)
And I loved how he said, the kids are in favor of it. My kids would not be in favor of it.

Wendy (27:25.658)
God, can you imagine?

Kelli (27:27.692)
I don't look like Jen though, but even if I did...

Wendy (27:29.471)
Listen, if anybody could pull it off, it's Jen. And I'll tell you what, if I had Jen's body, I'd be getting married in a bikini on the beach too. Why not? Why not? She worked for it or she bought it. Either way, it's hers. However she got it, it's hers, right? You know, it's hers.

Kelli (27:33.368)
For sure.

Kelli (27:37.885)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (27:43.286)
Right, whatever, whatever. She clearly works out and she has a yoga studio.

Wendy (27:48.757)
Yeah, yeah. She's to.

Kelli (27:51.714)
But Ryan hit the nail on the head when they were talking about Tamar and he said the therapy's fake.

Wendy (27:56.745)
Yep. yeah. Yeah, cause she says that, you know, she's got to work it on the guest list and she doesn't want to invite her. I don't blame her. Don't invite her. You don't need to invite her. It's your wedding. Do not invite her. Nope. And he said, you know, she had that baptismal 10 years ago. I can't believe it's been 10 years since she had that. You're right. If that didn't help her, certainly this isn't going to help her. It's all fake. It's all fake.

Kelli (28:04.662)
No way. Do not let that woman anywhere near your wedding.

Kelli (28:20.055)
It's all fake.

Wendy (28:24.245)
Then we see Heather and Emily, meet up and they're talking about Max being in Paris. Again, how she's doing great. Tamara shows up a little bit later. And I don't know if you picked up on this, but she ordered sparkling water and lime. Did pick on that? up. Yeah, so she didn't order alcohol.

Kelli (28:37.539)
I didn't.

you must not be drinking this season.

Wendy (28:42.675)
Yes, which is a good thing, because I don't think she should be drinking, right? They tell her she looks too skinny, and she says it's stress from therapy. I actually agree. She really does look too skinny. I mean, did you see her on Watch What Happens Live?

Kelli (28:44.738)
It's very good thing. Yeah.

Kelli (28:58.444)
I did not, I did not watch it. And not for any other reason except that I watched OC on Peacock and it didn't just come on after. Yeah.

Wendy (29:05.237)
Come on, yeah. So when we get to that part, I'll talk, I'll give you my thoughts on that whole thing. And I generally, as a rule of thumb, I do not like to talk about people's appearances, because I just think they are what they are. But I have some thoughts on this. So I will be talking about it a little bit. She says she's been in therapy for four months. And she also talks about how she went out with Katie the other night, and she wanted to go to the Quiet Woman.

course, nothing good ever happens at The Quiet Woman, right? So she gets there and she says she hasn't talked to her in quite a while and Katie says, why did you block me on Instagram? And she's like, well, there was a blogger putting out stories that I make fake accounts and that I'm out there lying.

Kelli (29:36.558)
No.

Wendy (30:01.939)
And how did that get, I don't understand how that all got back on Katie. Like there's many of bloggers that say crazy stuff about people. Like how did that get back on? I mean, we know Jax does, right? So I'm sure she does. Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure she does too. She's like, you reached out to a blogger and Katie's like, no, the blogger reached out to me. I have it in my DMs. This is like, you know,

Kelli (30:09.814)
Right. And Tamra probably does have fake accounts. Let's face it.

Right, they're like kind of like the same person.

Wendy (30:31.987)
Then Tamra plays her a voicemail. I thought that was a little weird.

What are your thoughts on that? Because the blogger does say that Katie reached out to her.

Kelli (30:40.098)
Wait, yeah, yeah, yeah, the voicemail, yeah.

Wendy (30:51.625)
And Katie is saying that the vlogger DMed her and she responded back.

Kelli (30:51.938)
Yes.

Kelli (30:57.228)
Right, right, and this is what they're all like, show it, show it. Why didn't Katie just show it right there at that dinner?

Wendy (31:00.745)
show it.

Wendy (31:05.087)
Well, she says, because she kind of ends it with, I'm going to have to, I'm going to have to. She said she reached out to me and I responded. I never called her. I don't have her number. I don't know her name. I'm going to go home and figure this out. She said, I'm going to search through my DMs. Those were her exact words when she left the restaurant. And then when we see her at the golden door, she still hasn't, doesn't have an answer. I do it.

Kelli (31:29.772)
Yeah, like I would have had it up on my screen, screenshot it, and text it to her right away. Here, boom, proof.

Wendy (31:35.177)
I have to. I would have to. So I do think that she is lying. I do think that there's enough receipts there that she is lying.

Kelli (31:41.645)
I do too.

Kelli (31:45.812)
I think that maybe Katie didn't think she was coming back, so she probably did do a bunch of things off camera in between seasons before she got that letter saying, sure, come back.

Wendy (31:57.759)
Well, Jen says that when Jen was asked about it, she says, think that Katie doesn't really think she's lying because these bloggers are her friends. Because she also said to Jen, she was at this party and there was these bloggers there. I think for whatever reason, maybe because of Matt being in the hosting world and like,

Kelli (32:26.083)
Right.

Wendy (32:26.305)
announcing and doing things like that. Maybe she's around these people because even what she said about, and when she first came on about the paparazzi, her friend like runs the paparazzi. Like these are the people that she hangs out with. Like these aren't people that she goes and seeks. Like, let me contact this person. These are just people in her everyday life that she's at parties with.

Kelli (32:30.766)
Right.

Kelli (32:38.688)
Yeah, yeah. yeah, she did say that.

Wendy (32:52.031)
So she is having a conversation with them. She's not contacting a blogger in her mind. She's just having a conversation with somebody at a party. That's how Jen explained it. I don't know. Like, I don't really know what the answer is on this. But I do think that it does look bad for her, that there's an actual voicemail and she has not produced the receipts that says that she DM'd.

Kelli (33:15.404)
Yeah, she should have, by now, the receipt should have been shown.

Wendy (33:21.215)
Yes, I agree. Then we see Emily said that Jen said, Jen and Katie are supposed to be very good friends. That Jen said that, see this is the telephone game I don't like. Emily said that Jen said, she tells Gina, not that Emily heard it. Jen tells Gina that she thinks that she isn't consistent with her stories and she's the one who uses the word con artist.

Now, Emily is now sharing this information that she got from Gina. Who got it from Jen? I mean, come on. Seriously, come on.

Kelli (33:58.124)
Right, right, and then you see Gina saying it to Jen and she's like, I don't remember saying that.

Wendy (34:04.851)
Right, right. Like this is the stuff that they do that gets me a little bit crazy.

Kelli (34:11.149)
Yeah.

Wendy (34:13.461)
Tamar says that Jen has a way of telling people what they want to hear.

Wendy (34:21.371)
And then she talks about how she's sending out the dates and she's pretty sure that she's not gonna be invited. No, no. So then this other scene, so we see Katie at the coffee shop and we see that Gina and Emily are on their way there. And Emily on the way there starts crying and telling Gina what's going on with her son and that she thinks that he may have autism. And I'm like, well, this is not really the time to be going to meet with Katie after you just

Kelli (34:26.286)
She's not invited. You got that right.

Wendy (34:51.519)
started crying to Gina about what's going on with your son. Like, who planned this?

Kelli (34:54.69)
Right, like maybe Emily's just, I mean, I can't imagine going through what Emily's going through and having to deal with like bullshit with a group of friends. I'd be like, yeah, I'm good. I have like real shit going on.

Wendy (35:07.229)
Right. This is stupid bullshit. This is stupid bullshit, right?

Wendy (35:14.271)
Right, but the other thing I think is so interesting is that Gina totally threw Katie under the bus. Katie thought she was meeting Gina. She had no idea that Emily was showing up and that was so not cool.

Kelli (35:25.166)
Totally blindsided her, totally. No, I don't know. think we're seeing a different side of Gina and Emily now and I don't love it. I don't love it at all.

Wendy (35:26.709)
Like that was not cool, like why did Gina have to do that?

Wendy (35:36.563)
I don't either. I don't either. I really don't. So Gina said that she knew about the eating disorder, but the therapist said that they can go hand in hand and there's gonna need to be some additional testing and they're gonna have to figure it out and go from there. And obviously Gina can relate because when her daughter was diagnosed with sensory processing disorder, she felt like a horrible mom. I can remember the day that I did a parent teacher conference.

Kelli (35:40.47)
Wendy (36:06.253)
And it was in second grade and the teacher told me that she thought my son had ADHD. And I thought, what are you, wait, what? There's something wrong with my son? Are you nuts? I thought it was the worst thing ever. And then I went and I had him tested and we went through all the things and guess what? He has ADHD. No big deal. We know what it is and we know how to deal with it, right? But at the time, I know the feeling. I know.

Kelli (36:26.636)
Right, right, no big deal.

Wendy (36:34.611)
I know that feeling like, no, how did I not know this? Okay, the kid was seven. Yeah, there's nothing you can do about it. You find out that there's something wrong and then you do everything you can to get them in the right direction. That's all we can do as parents, right?

Kelli (36:38.616)
Well, of course you feel guilty.

Wendy (36:51.905)
then Gina said, I called your friend Jen and she said that things weren't adding up again, bringing up the whole thing about Katie and Katie's like, know, Jen, Gina even says, those are her words, not mine. She called you a con artist. She says that at the meeting.

Kelli (37:14.328)
She said, Jen is now questioning your authenticity and even called you a con artist, which is kind of a fucked up thing for Gina to do.

Wendy (37:14.6)
and

Yep.

And then it really is. First you blindside her and then you say this to her. And then she's like, a con artist. I talked to Jen 10 times a day. Like if she really thought I was a con artist, I think she would have told me. Right? And then we see that they play it back where she says it to her in the car. And she's like, I don't think I said those words. Like I don't know where that came from.

Kelli (37:26.307)
Yeah.

Kelli (37:37.132)
Yeah.

Kelli (37:47.852)
I don't think she said it. I don't think it's something Jem would say.

Wendy (37:48.033)
I don't think she did either.

I don't either. I don't because even when she explained it, she's like, listen,

Wendy (38:00.583)
What she's saying to you isn't a lie. It's what she believes happened. Okay, she talked to a blogger. They were at a party together. She didn't call it the blogger.

Kelli (38:10.712)
Right.

Wendy (38:15.029)
Gina says, so then Gina says to Emily, okay, wait. Gina says.

Kelli (38:15.182)
I don't know.

Wendy (38:24.321)
Katie says, because your ex nanny came to me, Emily and Gina both say, yeah, Katie said, I should have ignored her, but I was pissed. Emily says, well, that's not an excuse. And then Emily starts going off on her. Like, that's not an excuse. Then Gina says to Emily,

Kelli (38:35.31)
Yeah.

Kelli (38:42.072)
She says I didn't retaliate and bring your kids into it. Yes you did!

Wendy (38:46.121)
Yes, you did. Yes, you did. You absolutely did.

Kelli (38:50.496)
outed her custody situation on national television and called her an unfit mother. Yes you did.

Wendy (38:54.409)
Yes, you absolutely did. And then Gina looks over at Emily and says to Emily, well, you can apologize for going into our past. Really, Gina?

Wendy (39:07.155)
And she does. She did. She said, I, you know, I apologize for that, but I was pissed. Okay, so it's okay for you to be pissed, but it's not okay for her to be pissed?

Kelli (39:07.16)
I mean, at least she did apologize. Yeah, at least she did apologize.

Kelli (39:16.738)
Right.

Wendy (39:18.965)
Kate, Emily says, appreciate your apology, but I don't have any trust in you. Okay. Katie leaves. She's like, okay, I gotta go pick up my son. Then she goes to hugs Gina. goes to hug Emily and Emily's like, I'm good. I'm like.

And then they go, let's get in the car. And Emily says, well, we have to take our donuts. And then Emily starts putting the donuts in her pocket. One donut at a time? Three donuts. One donut at a time. She puts them in her jacket pocket. I know, just loosey-coosy. I don't know. I don't know.

Kelli (39:41.368)
Yeah, what was that?

Kelli (39:46.112)
Not even wrapped in a napkin! What the hell was that?

Kelli (39:54.306)
What are you doing?

Wendy (39:55.905)
She wanted those donuts. She was not leaving those donuts there.

Kelli (40:01.666)
Crazy

Wendy (40:04.657)
my God, when I saw her with those donuts, I literally did laugh out loud. But then I laughed when she ate the turkey sub in the sauna too.

So the next thing we see is all the ladies are getting ready to go to the event at the Golden Door and Shannon has gifts for everybody. She's invited everybody, including Tamar, even though they're not on good terms. And she's said that there's something magical about the energy there. can't, that's so funny. You can't put a price on that, but it costs $12,950 for eight days.

But I come out a better person. I'm like, my God, Shannon.

Kelli (40:42.925)
hahahaha

Kelli (40:46.862)
This is where Tamra said that Shannon stabbed her in the back. How? She never stabbed you in the back?

Wendy (40:55.893)
She said she stabbed her at the back at this place.

Kelli (40:59.032)
This, my note says Shannon invites Tamra to her event, so hopefully Tamra can heal herself. Tamra said that Shannon stabbed her in the back, but Tamra was the one that came for Shannon last season, all season. So she didn't. this is, so Tamra's packing for her, or getting ready for her, and she's talking to Eddie. That's what she said to Eddie, and Eddie goes right along with it. Like, come on.

Wendy (41:09.865)
Yeah, it yes, exactly. No, she absolutely did not.

Wendy (41:16.652)
she's talking to Eddie. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Wendy (41:22.461)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, Eddie's a follower. He's a little lost sheep. And all these famous people go there, Oprah and all these people. Listen, I'll be honest with you. I actually, $13,000 for eight days. I mean, I that's a lot of money, but if you're a celebrity, that's really not that much money.

Kelli (41:25.93)
Yeah, yeah, he's a lap dog. Yeah.

Kelli (41:44.832)
If you're a celebrity, absolutely not. Yeah.

Wendy (41:46.697)
Right? I don't think it's that much money that they're going crazy about this place, but whatever. Maybe this is where Jax went when he went to rehab. Yeah, I think they probably do. Tamara shows up and she's all down. And they ask her how Teddy's doing. And this is when we find out that Teddy's actually in ICU. And then she found out about the multiple brain tumors. All of this I-

Kelli (41:56.627)
maybe. Did they have their phones?

Wendy (42:15.111)
genuinely feel bad for her about. Like this is all real stuff. This is all real stuff. It is her best friend. I can't even imagine. I can't imagine, you know, what her headspace is like doing this. So I'll give her grace on that.

Kelli (42:16.94)
I do too.

Kelli (42:30.082)
Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Wendy (42:31.861)
But then Emily, before Katie gets there, Emily's like, why did you invite Katie?

She said, one of the reasons I come to the Golden Door is to find clarity. And I thought this would be a great opportunity for all of us to see if we can heal and move on. And Gina's like, I don't trust her. And Emily said, behind closed doors, she's trying to damage us. Now meanwhile, she's not even there yet. So Katie and Jen still aren't there. And they're all having these conversations about why is she even invited? And Emily said,

you know, she's trying to damage us and she made a list of the things that Katie lied about. And you see this big long list and she starts like rambling it off.

She had once again said, this is a place of healing. And then Katie and Jen show up together. like they're all saying, this is so uncomfortable. Yeah, it wasn't comfortable because you guys were being assholes talking about her.

Kelli (43:25.07)
and Heather said, when I get a bad feeling about someone, I'm never wrong. I don't have a bad feeling about you Heather.

Wendy (43:29.471)
Yeah. yes, I'm, yeah. Right. I'm vindicated. I'm not gonna say I'm vindicated that I said she was lying to begin with. I'm actually just did, but okay.

Kelli (43:41.324)
Right. And she wasn't lying. Those photos were totally staged.

Wendy (43:48.065)
So then we find out that the ladies are gonna split up and some of ladies are gonna do Tai Chi and the other ladies are gonna do that Taiko drumming thing. I would wanna be doing that drumming thing. I think that looked, I thought that looked pretty cool.

Kelli (43:56.482)
I like the drumming thing.

Well, at least you get a little aggression now.

Wendy (44:01.587)
Yeah, so Emily and Gina and Shannon and Katie are doing the drumming and Gina, Heather and Tamar are doing the tight shape. Tamar says, keep Jen away from me today. I have no time to deal with her nonsense, which, okay, whatever.

Kelli (44:21.196)
Yeah, she said, I don't know what Jen's so mad about. They were coming for me on social media. She really just, she really just plays the victim.

Wendy (44:31.591)
She doesn't see her part in any of it.

Kelli (44:34.121)
Nothing!

Wendy (44:36.767)
I mean, what she was saying about Jen and Ryan and the FBI and the money laundering and, you know, what she said on Watch What Happens Live about Venus CBD making more money than he stole. And then the next day she's like, I meant that was embezzled. Like, come on, you were coming for them, both of them.

Kelli (44:41.646)
FBI? I mean come on!

Kelli (45:03.96)
Right. Right.

Wendy (45:07.049)
And Jen's right. Like, I'm sure she did say, hot gym guy is here.

Kelli (45:13.23)
Absolutely. I believe everything Jen says about what Tamara said about Ryan. Absolutely.

Wendy (45:15.113)
And she's pissed. Yep.

I do too. I do too. I do too.

Kelli (45:23.438)
because that's who Tamra is.

Wendy (45:25.332)
Yep.

Wendy (45:29.205)
So then they all get, I guess they go to eat lunch after that and.

Heather says you have to stop with the bloggers. then Jen says, the difference with me is I've taken the time to get to know Katie. And Gina said, you have concluded.

Wendy (45:49.629)
You have concluded that you're confused and concerned. I don't know what that means.

I don't know, but then Katie says, I did ask Jen if she told you I was a con artist and she said that she never said that.

She didn't actually, like she didn't say I never said that. Jen said, I don't really know if I use that word about you. I wish she would have just said, I didn't say that. But she didn't say that. I wish she would have said that.

Kelli (46:12.556)
Right, right. I didn't say it, I know.

Kelli (46:21.112)
I mean, Gina's really not a liar, so she could have said it. I can't picture Jen saying that about anybody, but yeah, she didn't just come out and say, I never said that.

Wendy (46:32.053)
Yeah, I didn't like that she didn't really stand by that.

Wendy (46:39.201)
So then she said, well, what does it matter? Does it affect you and Travis or me and Ryan? And he says, I had to hire an attorney to sue the nanny. Do you understand that, Katie? That I had to send her a cease and desist for invasion of privacy and defamation and I have to pay this attorney who's very expensive. If you ignored it, I wouldn't be dealing with this. And poor Katie's sitting there. But what about what Katie had to do? And what about her custody thing? But you could see by the look on her face,

Kelli (47:04.087)
Exactly!

Wendy (47:09.333)
She's not strong enough to fight this fight with Emily. She's not. And she has the ammunition, but she doesn't know how to use it. You know I'm saying? She should be fighting this fight because I think she's valid in fighting the fight. She just doesn't have it in her. Emily's too, and she's too attorney. She just comes at her like at full force.

Kelli (47:11.662)
She's not, she's definitely not.

Kelli (47:20.684)
Right. Yeah.

Kelli (47:36.558)
Yeah, but I mean, they all talk to bloggers. all go on podcasts. They all talk about stuff. Like, I just feel like they're holding her to a different standard than themselves.

Wendy (47:49.705)
I do too. do too. Emily said, well, how am I supposed to have a conversation? Cause then, you know, she invites them all over to go to her place for lunch. She's like, I'd like to invite you over the whatever that something pot.

Kelli (47:58.178)
Yeah.

Kelli (48:02.85)
Yeah, hot pot.

Wendy (48:04.905)
Yeah, it's like a way to, I don't know, sit down and like discuss and, you know, break bread and, you know, she's like, how am I supposed to sit down with you and ask you how you're doing? Like, how am I supposed to do that? Okay, well, I kind of see your point there, but Shannon says, I'm uncomfortable when I see a bunch of people going after one, which is again, what's happening? Shannon's the only one who was sticking up for Katie. Even I don't feel like Jen is, although Jen is,

Kelli (48:10.53)
Yeah, right.

Wendy (48:34.589)
is sitting with her, she's not fighting for her. And again, I don't know if Jen has it in her either. I don't know that that's in their makeup, right?

Kelli (48:43.37)
I know, I know. I think that it's becoming like, you know, the Emily, now Gina, Heather, Tamara, it's just becoming something.

Wendy (48:58.089)
Yeah, it's like it's the mean girl. So Tamara and Gina said, no one's going. Yeah, no one's going after one person. And Heather said after the reunion, I thought we made it very clear that no more digging up information on someone. And then after that, then Katie, there was an incident with Tamara where you were telling the bloggers that she was setting up fake accounts. Katie said she DMed me first. And then that's kind of where we end it, where they're going back and forth about did she or did she not? And the producer.

Kelli (49:00.083)
It's a mean girl. Yeah, it's a mean girl thing.

Kelli (49:22.946)
Did she make the phone call or did she get a DM? I mean, if she's friends with these people, you know, it's all very confusing though. And it's stupid, like it's just stupid. Tamara talks about people all day long on her podcast.

Wendy (49:25.833)
Right. And then they produce

Right.

Wendy (49:38.687)
It is stupid.

Wendy (49:43.465)
Right, right. I mean, we have a whole episode and this is what we're talking about is two different bloggers and two different stories. One from an ex nanny and one about making fake accounts and it just doesn't make sense.

Kelli (49:48.694)
Yeah.

Kelli (49:53.304)
Right.

Kelli (50:01.472)
No, it's stupid and uninteresting, quite honestly.

Wendy (50:03.391)
I mean, it is Shannon saying after spending eight days here, I had to use a land light. Like there's no service. And then the ladies are like, well, you know, they go on the wifi and then the timers like, well, I would climb a tree just so that, you know, I could get service. I'm like, my God, seriously?

Kelli (50:21.634)
Yeah. I agree that the proof should have been shown by now, but who cares? Who cares? We don't care.

Wendy (50:26.131)
I do too. I do too.

Yeah.

No, we don't care and I fear that this is gonna be, I don't know how many episodes we're gonna go through this. How many episodes do you think? Let's make a prediction. I was gonna say four, I think four episodes. So we'll have to wait and see. So then watch What Happens Live was Tamra and Stephen McBee Jr. who is on the McBee dynasty, which I really wanna watch. We have to watch it. I started watching the first season.

Kelli (50:43.726)
Probably three. Probably until Gretchen comes.

Kelli (50:49.472)
All right, we'll see.

Wendy (51:02.945)
These guys are hot. And they're real, right? And the bartender was John Hill. Andy says to Tamara, you're still here. And she says, I'm like a cockroach. I was like, my god, that is so true.

Kelli (51:05.038)
They look it.

Wendy (51:19.197)
Then I go on to say that I really don't like to talk about people's looks, but first of all, Tamara's face just looked so fake and so plastic. It just looked so fake. Her teeth were so white. It was ridiculous. But then we find out at some point in watch what happens live because Andy says, so that guy, Steven and his brother were there. Steven McBae Jr. and his brother were in the audience and

Kelli (51:28.248)
Really?

Wendy (51:48.863)
they were smiling and Andy says,

are all these teeth God given? Andy says, are those God giving teeth to all of them? And they both say yes. And Tamara goes, no, they're not. Mine's Smile, Texas. That's where mine are from. Andy said, your teeth are from Smile, Texas? And she's like, yeah. Yeah, but turns out it's the same place that Frank Catania got his teeth and Brittany got her teeth there too. And she says to Andy, I can get you teeth there too if you want. And Andy's like, no, no, I'm good.

Kelli (52:10.113)
of veneers.

Kelli (52:14.956)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (52:22.975)
And she's like, Eddie's got teeth from there too. And I'm like, my God, she's talking about everyone's teeth. But then, this is what I thought was kind of funny. So they're doing questions. You know how Andy asks questions? So one of the questions he asked was asking Steven, he said, so apparently in the show, he's there with this one girl, because one of the questions is, is he gonna stay with her? And beginning of the show, he said he's single, so they're not together. So Andy asked Steven,

Kelli (52:23.064)
Yeah.

Kelli (52:27.053)
Yeah.

Kelli (52:48.578)
Okay.

Wendy (52:50.305)
Do you like girls with super big boobs? And Steven like, that's a trick question. And Tamar's like, well, that's rude. And he's like, what do you mean? She's like, well, do you like men with big dicks? And he's like, yeah. She's like, do you like men with super big dicks? And he's like, yeah, kind of. She's like, well, do you discriminate against men with little ones? I was like, oh my God, she's having this whole conversation with him.

But I will say that I think what he said was rude. was a rude question to ask. And I liked that she actually did call him out on it, even if it was as obnoxious as it was. When she called him out on it, she was way more obnoxious than he was, and she was way more rude than he was. But I do like that she called him out on it, because he does ask rude questions. Why are you asking him, do you like girls with big boobs? Like, what?

Kelli (53:20.608)
Yeah, it is. It's a weird thing to...

Kelli (53:33.09)
Yeah, like it's... He does.

Kelli (53:41.206)
Yeah, I'm so glad the guy didn't answer by the way.

Wendy (53:42.601)
I yeah, yeah. Yeah. So I'll get back.

Kelli (53:47.918)
Yeah, it's like, what do they call Like Moe, can't think of the word I'm looking for. Damn it.

Kelli (54:00.516)
well, I'll think of it. But it's not respectful to women, let's put it that way.

Wendy (54:01.343)
I don't know. Do you like, I don't know. then some.

It's really not. It's really not. And like I said, I'm so glad that she called him out on it, even if she was way ruder than he was. Tamara's admitted that she's still in therapy. Andy asked her how it was going. And she's like, well, good. And Eddie said, she's still angry. So I guess not so good. Then the poll question was, whose side are you on? Emily, Gina, and Tamara won at 81%. Was Emily, Gina, and Tamara against?

Katie whose side are you on by 81 %? Yep.

Kelli (54:39.127)
And they won?

Kelli (54:43.416)
That people were on their side?

Wendy (54:45.601)
Yep. Yep. Whose side are you on, Tamra or Jen? Jen won by 80%. Do you feel like Tamra has changed from therapy? 85 % of the people said no. Who's going to be caught in the most lies with the lie detector test? Katie, 71%. And Tamra was second. Yeah. Tamra.

Kelli (55:07.544)
have a feeling we are gonna find out that she lied a lot. Who got second?

That's great.

Wendy (55:18.525)
Getting married in swimwear hot or not? 93 % said not. Which McBee brother is more qualified to run the farm? Steven Jr., who was the one was there, 87%. And then that's when he started asking about the teeth. And that's pretty much where it ended where, you know, the Frank and the Brittany and everyone has the same teeth.

Kelli (55:37.326)
Didn't she say something that Shannon's like past her prime or something? Shouldn't be on the show anymore.

Wendy (55:42.057)
yes, yes, that was one of the questions. One of the questions was which housewife has overstayed their welcome or prime or something like that and she did say Shannon. Yep, I didn't write that down but yes, yeah, she's a bitch. She really is a bitch. Well she is, she is the longest running housewife, she is. But yeah, her face did not look good. She's very...

Kelli (55:56.152)
What a bitch. And what did she say? She's now the longest running housewife, Tamar?

Kelli (56:07.982)
Is it only because O.C.'s been on for 16, like she's been on, right, but she came in season three, right? And she was off for a couple of years, but are they not taking that into consideration? Or she's still the longest standing even with that break?

Wendy (56:11.553)
19. 19. She missed... right.

Mm-hmm.

They are. She's still the longest standing with that because, I mean, it was Vicky, but Vicky's been gone. I mean, Teresa, it was only 15 seasons, right? Or 14 or 15.

Kelli (56:37.166)
Fourteen, I think. Fourteen or fifteen? You're right, it could have been fifteen.

Wendy (56:39.297)
I think this was going to be 15, 15. it's, you know, it's not Teresa and that would be it. I mean, there's nobody in New York and Beverly Hills. mean, Kyle's probably Kyle's the next close second. It's got to be Kyle is the next one.

Kelli (56:57.858)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (57:00.649)
And actually they were saying, somebody was saying how long Erica Jane has been on. Erica Jane has been on, I think 10 years. I think next to Kyle, she's the number two in Beverly Hills.

Kelli (57:08.088)
Yeah, because she came on with Yolanda, right? She came on as Yolanda's friend. I remember that. Because she, yes, because she, like her first scene was with Yolanda at one of her doctor's appointments, I believe.

Wendy (57:14.385)
She did?

Wendy (57:26.575)
Mm. I don't remember, but Eric has been on a long time to

So that is the first episode of season 19 of the OC.

Kelli (57:36.95)
I don't know if I'm excited about this season, I'm gonna be honest with you. If it's gonna be all this nonsense about bloggers and who said what in the off season, know, stop treating each other like assholes. Like you're so, you're so mean to each other. You're really, you're very unkind to each other. So what do you think is gonna happen in the off season?

Wendy (57:40.117)
Wendy (57:58.089)
Right. No, I agree. don't want it to be that. I don't want it to be that. I do think that Katie's gonna get annihilated. And I think we know that. She winds up leaving, right? I don't think she finishes the season. And I did see at one point Shannon told her that what she was doing was illegal to Katie. So I don't know what that could be. Because I mean, Shannon.

Kelli (58:08.588)
I think she leaves.

Kelli (58:23.075)
Right.

Wendy (58:24.063)
generally is not the one to throw stones because she does live in a glass house.

Kelli (58:27.042)
Well, especially not... Yeah, and she and Katie seem to have really formed a friendship, so...

Wendy (58:31.144)
Right.

Yeah, so the fact that I see Shannon saying that. But you know what? I'm kind of excited to see Gretchen come take down Tamara. I am. I really am. So this is what we're waiting for. This is what we're waiting for. OK.

Kelli (58:45.366)
me too. For sure.

I'm in because that season that Tamra and Tamra purposefully befriended Gretchen to basically get her off the show. She pretended to be Gretchen's friend. She was never Gretchen's friend. And then she turned on her as soon as she could.

Wendy (59:08.447)
That's not cool. Not cool.

Alright, so that's it for OC. Until next time, thank you for watching and listening. Please subscribe and give us five star reviews. Bye!

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Bye.