RHOM-Who Told Lisa?!

RHOM-Who Told Lisa?!

RHOM S7 E4 – “Boogers and Birkins”

One day after Marysol’s wedding bash, the drama among the Miami ladies simmers and then boils over. Julia tries to make amends after her water-throwing outburst, but tensions with Guerdy remain unresolved—especially with Guerdy still hurting and absent in New York. Meanwhile, we meet the newest Housewife, Stephanie, a glam-loving real estate mogul’s wife with no filter and no interest in children (“Boogers and Birkins don’t mix”).

Relationships are front and center: Alexia and Todd are on a 3-month divorce pause, Larsa continues shading Lisa during a vulnerable time, and Julia and Martina share laughs (and accountability avoidance) at the grocery store. Kiki’s visit with her wandering, baby-making father adds comic relief, while Stephanie delivers a brutal line about “not diving back into the garbage” that offends Alexia but resonates nonetheless.

At Julia’s beautifully decorated baby shower, games like “truth or dare” and tasting fake poop are overshadowed by real-life hurt. Lisa confronts the women for gossiping while she was grieving her father, leading to a chaotic emotional exit that derails the celebration. Guerdy’s absence is felt, secrets are spilled, and alliances are shaken—again.

Takeaways

The episode title 'Boogers and Birkins' sets a humorous tone.
Julia's character is seen as both entertaining and problematic.
Gertie's health struggles impact her party planning business.
Stephanie's introduction brings a new dynamic to the group.
Larsa's comments about loyalty create tension among the women.
Lisa's family issues are highlighted throughout the episode.
Kiki's family dynamics add depth to her character.
The baby shower serves as a backdrop for various conflicts.
Game segments at the shower reveal personal dynamics.
The episode showcases the complexities of friendship among the housewives.

Transcript

Wendy (00:01.168)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy. We are talking about Real Housewives of Miami, season seven, episode number four, Boogers and Birkins. Horrible name. Horrible. Boogers. it's in there. it's in there. I'll tell you. Well, when we get there, I'll let you know. Boogers, like snot.

Kelli (00:03.915)
I'm Kelly.

Kelli (00:15.438)
Where'd the boogers come from?

Kelli (00:23.598)
Okay, boogers. Okay, okay. Why don't I remember that? All right. I literally just watched this a couple of hours ago.

Wendy (00:30.268)
All right.

I did too. I did too. So we start out with one day after Marisol's wedding party and we see Julia practicing singing and she's talking to her voice coach and telling him what happened. What?

Kelli (00:50.924)
Like, need somebody to film with much?

Wendy (00:53.902)
I mean, that was so produced and ridiculous. was so bad. Then we see the new housewife Stephanie and we get her tagline, I don't just sell luxury, I live it. We'll come back to her because that's all we see her for. We'll come back to her. Because Kelly has some strong opinions about, yeah. And I pointed out that Kelly has strong opinions about a lot of things.

Kelli (00:58.542)
Stupid. Yeah.

Kelli (01:09.548)
Yeah, we sure will.

Kelli (01:15.118)
Strong, strong.

Kelli (01:22.346)
Not the things I should.

Wendy (01:23.67)
Exactly.

So then we see Alexia and Marisol are doing the vibration plate together. Now you have a vibration plate, I have a vibration plate. I don't think I could, I don't think you and I could do it together. I don't know how they were doing that.

Kelli (01:38.23)
don't think we could either, but I love my vibration plate. Do you?

Wendy (01:43.462)
Do you? I don't use it, I so should use it.

Kelli (01:48.014)
don't use it as much as I did when I first got it. Mainly because I've been walking and going to the gym more. But I just used it last night and I was like, yeah, and I just feel good when I get off of it. I really do.

Wendy (01:58.757)
You did?

Wendy (02:03.536)
That's good. You know what? I should use mine more. You know what the problem is? This is my problem, is that it's the perfect thing to do when you're watching TV, right? But I only watch TV downstairs if I'm taking notes for Housewives and I'm taking notes. So obviously I can't vibrate and take notes at the same time. And then the other time I'm watching TV, I'm in my bed. So it's like, I don't have a time where I am gonna have to make a time and vibrate.

Kelli (02:11.874)
For sure.

Kelli (02:22.348)
No, you can't do that.

Wendy (02:31.9)
I'm going to do my vibration plate. Because I do think it's good for you.

Kelli (02:35.618)
And you only do it in 10 minute increments, so I'll do it twice for 10 minutes each.

Wendy (02:40.088)
Okay, I thought it was 20 minutes. Only 10 minutes?

Kelli (02:44.43)
I thought I read where you should only do it 10 minutes, but maybe I do wind up doing it for 20 minutes. I just break it up.

Wendy (02:48.804)
Okay.

Okay. And do you always do it standing or do you ever do it sitting?

Kelli (02:57.142)
I always do it standing. And I try to squat when I'm doing it. So my ass, yeah.

Wendy (02:58.758)
So I have a... that's really good.

That's probably about it. So I do it sitting. Yeah, I do it sitting sometimes, and sometimes I do it standing. I actually prefer it sitting. Well, mine is a little seat.

Kelli (03:06.486)
I mean, because other than that, I'm not squatting, so.

Kelli (03:14.508)
I've never tried it sitting. I wanna do the thing where you do like a plank on it.

Wendy (03:20.092)
yes.

Kelli (03:21.624)
But I could only do, like I can do planks, but I can do one minute planks. So I'd have to do like three one minute planks.

Wendy (03:28.75)
Yeah, that's a good idea. All right, maybe we'll do a TikTok of us using our vibrating plate. It would be hysterical. Did you see that TikTok where a bunch of women are trying to drink wine on the vibration plate? my God. Yes. Or maybe we should, maybe we should try that. Right? I mean, we are We Wine Whenever. I think we should try it. Right?

Kelli (03:35.49)
That would be hysterical.

Kelli (03:46.302)
No, but I gotta look for that.

Kelli (03:51.704)
We should try it. We should try that. We are. Yeah. If anybody's gonna do it, it should be us.

Wendy (03:59.096)
I think so. So then we see Gertie just finished decorating her house for Halloween and she's excited because her son Liam is it's his favorite holiday, which we see the boys come in. my God, they got so big since we saw them last.

Kelli (04:12.504)
They really did. And they're so tall. And very handsome.

Wendy (04:14.958)
So big. Yes, yes. mean, Gertie's tall and Russell's tall. Yes. She's talking to Russell a little bit how she's, you know, like really happy that she's doing the decorating again. I mean, that's what she did. She was a party planner. Like that was her thing. And I guess, I guess she hasn't done it since she's been sick, which makes sense, but I feel bad for her because that's what her passion was, you know? And when I think it was...

Kelli (04:29.122)
Yeah.

Kelli (04:39.19)
I know. I would imagine it would be difficult for her to do it like with treatments and stuff, because you don't feel good.

Wendy (04:46.158)
Now, I would imagine it would be too. I just wish she had like a strong team that would still be able to, you know, carry it, but it doesn't seem like that's the case. And when...

Kelli (04:54.145)
carry it on.

Kelli (04:57.86)
She seems like a very hands-on person too.

Wendy (04:59.72)
she definitely seems hands on, but when Kiki was on Watch What Happens Live, one of the questions like Andy asked was, like, if you wanted to, like, ask a question of any of the housewives, she said, I would want to ask Gertie, like, are you doing Gertie? What is it? Are you doing your party planning business or aren't you? I'm like, that's kind of shady. Yeah. I'm like, that's kind of shady. Yes, like, that's kind of shady. Like, if you want to ask her that question, then just ask her that question. Really? You to do this on Watch What Happens Live?

Kelli (05:17.486)
Kiki said that? She's very shady with Gertie.

Kelli (05:29.122)
Yeah, you know clearly she's being... Does everybody on the cast forget that Gertie's being treated for breast cancer? Like does everybody just forget that? Yeah, there's no grace here.

Wendy (05:36.22)
I feel like they do. I feel like they do. I really do. I feel, there's zero grace. I really do, I agree with you. It's annoying to me to be quite honest with you.

Kelli (05:47.895)
It's very annoying.

Wendy (05:50.3)
All right, then we see Martina and Julia are shopping at this grocery store. This right here was the worst produced scene I've ever seen in my entire life. Well, at least I thought that until I saw another one later on in the episode and I'll point that one out to you too. know, Julius is talking to Martina saying that she owes Alexia and Marisol a dinner, a dinner because she asked Martina she's gonna be grilling anytime soon and Martina's like,

Kelli (06:00.386)
Yeah.

Yes.

Kelli (06:13.602)
An apology. yes, yes, yes, yes.

Wendy (06:20.538)
Why? she's like, well, I owe them a dinner because I need to apologize. And Martina's like, well, I love how you're volunteering my abilities. All right, Martina. Was it you that said it like last week that Martina likes to be on the camera? And I said I didn't think so? You are absolutely right. After watching this episode, other people are saying it too. You are 100 % right. I mean, she's horrible on the camera, but yes, she wants to be on. Yes.

Kelli (06:28.526)
Yeah, well, that's what we do, Martina.

Kelli (06:42.883)
Yeah.

Kelli (06:46.712)
She loves it, especially with this new chick, Stephanie. Yeah.

Wendy (06:51.074)
Yes, yes. So she goes on to say that, you know, she shouldn't have thrown the water and, you know, she is saying that she's upset that Gertie got her so upset that she acted that way. The whole time she's talking about it, she's not taking any accountability for her actions. It's all Gertie's fault. I'm like, you could... Right, right. And by the

Kelli (07:12.45)
Yeah, Gertie got her all worked up. You threw water. Gertie remained calm and composed the whole time.

Wendy (07:21.38)
It wasn't water, it was a drink. She had just got that drink. Well, it looked like water, but she had just gone to the bar and got that drink. Remember she was talking to Steve at the bar? And then all of a sudden it came, and then she came back? I don't think it was water. They kept calling it water, but I think it was her drink.

Kelli (07:23.903)
I thought it was water.

Kelli (07:33.858)
Yes, yes.

Kelli (07:40.152)
You're right.

Wendy (07:41.038)
I think it was her drink. mean, I could watch it back and see if there was two glasses there, but I know she went to the bar and she had a glass. Yeah, and when she was talking to Steve right before this whole thing happened. So Julia's saying that, you know, Gertie upset her and that she's telling Martina that, you know, Gertie's trying to tell the ladies that when I went to Paris to see my daughter that I was having a facelift and I wasn't there for you. And Martina's like, well,

Kelli (07:47.438)
She did get a drink.

Wendy (08:09.988)
If I needed you, I knew you'd be there. I knew I could handle this without you. I'm like, you've got to be kidding me. That is what you're going with? That is what you're going with, that you were visiting your daughter in Paris?

Kelli (08:16.59)
Yep.

Kelli (08:20.236)
And Kiki confirmed on Watch What Happens Live that that is exactly what happened. Yes.

Wendy (08:23.362)
That she had a facelift. Yes, she did. Yes, she did. She did.

Kelli (08:29.312)
And this whole, like you said it last week before the cruise, this whole Martina thing, like they were fighting. They were obviously fighting.

Wendy (08:38.928)
Yes, they absolutely had been fighting because why else would this have happened?

Kelli (08:43.318)
Right. Right.

Wendy (08:46.268)
Then we see Julius talking to Marisol and Alexia and Marisol said, I didn't like the water and Juliet is at their place talking to them and then she's sending the text message to Gertie to apologize and she's coming with an open heart and she would like to clear the air and they show you her sending the text message in front of them and she's saying, Martina, and she didn't even get back to me yet. Come on, are you, really?

Kelli (09:15.598)
Right, and you send a text, like that kind of thing warrants a phone call. They pick up the phone and dial her number and call her. Because it was gross what she did.

Wendy (09:15.802)
Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me?

Wendy (09:23.088)
Well, yes.

Wendy (09:27.932)
Yeah. It was disgusting. It's disgusting. And then we see Gertie's talking to Russell and she's crying and she's saying that, you know, she violated me in front of the ladies to embarrass me. And Russell's right. Like, didn't any of the ladies like say something like, this is not a good idea. Like you are still recovering. Like what is going on? I know, I know, I know.

Kelli (09:49.27)
No, Kiki was telling Gertie to leave!

Kelli (09:56.078)
Crazy.

Wendy (09:57.294)
And then Julia lets Martina know that, you know, she's having the baby shower and she feels that everyone should be invited. So she's still gonna invite Gertie. So she has to FaceTime Adriana to let her know that, you know, even though Gertie, you know, did her wrong to still invite her. Give me a damn break. This whole thing, this whole episode annoyed the crap out of me. It really did.

Kelli (10:14.542)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (10:22.316)
Yes, I totally agree. I totally, totally agree.

Wendy (10:26.158)
Then we see Larsa's with Stephanie on her private jet, the new housewife. We find out that she met her through Carolyn Stansberry and Stephanie didn't even want to meet Larsa. She said she was yachting in the middle of the ocean in the south of France and she's added to this group chat. And then she realized that Larsa had a really good sense of humor. So she would like to be friends with her. What? I mean...

Kelli (10:54.648)
So my take on Stephanie is if you look up the word flex in the dictionary, you're gonna see a picture of Stephanie.

Wendy (11:00.72)
Hmm. Yes. Yes.

Kelli (11:05.462)
And listen, if you got it, God bless you. But the flex was off the charts.

Wendy (11:12.56)
Yes, it was. Yes, because we find out that Stephanie invited Larsa to run errands. Larsa said she thought she was going to lunch and to the mall, but in fact, they were flying to Orlando to pick up her dogs.

Kelli (11:28.28)
on a private jet.

Wendy (11:29.314)
on a private jet. I'm like, wait a second.

Kelli (11:31.308)
So not too environmentally conscious is Stephanie Shoje. What the fuck is her last name?

Wendy (11:34.393)
No.

Wendy (11:38.46)
something like that, yeah.

Kelli (11:40.492)
Yeah. What is she a developer? Her or her husband was.

Wendy (11:43.106)
Her husband. Yeah, her husband started the Schoma Group, the third largest real estate development in southern Florida. Okay, it's not the first, it's not the second, so it's the third. I mean, in the early 80s.

Kelli (11:53.176)
So is this, right, cause he's older. Is this Dr. Nicole's partner Anthony's ex? Okay. Cause they haven't said it yet, but it must've been when they were very young because she's clearly been with this man for a very long time. Right? She must've been very young when she was with Anthony.

Wendy (11:58.267)
Yeah, he's older.

Wendy (12:05.05)
Yes, I'm just trying to figure out where, when, when did, no.

Wendy (12:16.496)
Yes, I think so too.

don't know. There's more that we need to fill in here. There's definitely more that needs to be filled in.

Kelli (12:23.788)
Yeah. Which, you know, cause when I heard that Nicole was, Dr. Nicole was leaving the show and then Anthony's ex was going to be on the show, I was like, I don't blame her. Cause I think Dr. Nicole quite honestly is one of the classiest housewives we've ever had, ever any franchise.

Wendy (12:45.958)
I think Tiffany is right there with her. I love them. I love them both. love them both.

Kelli (12:48.91)
Totally, totally, totally agree with you. I do too. I love their pod, know, I only watch the clips, I haven't listened to an actual podcast yet, but I will, because I love them. But if he dated her that long ago, it's like, why would Nicole even care?

Wendy (13:04.172)
No, I don't think she would. think it was more that she just had a baby. She doesn't need this. She doesn't need this.

Kelli (13:08.782)
She had a baby and she doesn't need this. She has a private jet. She has a yacht. She's got all the things.

Wendy (13:15.258)
Yes. And actually, she's a doctor. although her

Kelli (13:19.788)
Right, and this is why Alexia did not like her. And this is why Alexia and Marisol kept coming for her.

Wendy (13:26.842)
Right, because she's self-made. I mean, yes, her husband is very successful, but she can't stand on her own. Unlike our new housewife, Stephanie, who says, I am not where I am because I married my husband. I got a little bit of help, but everybody in life gets a little bit of help. What? No, you are where you are because you married your husband. Who are you kidding? Who are you kidding? Who?

Kelli (13:47.848)
yeah. Did you, did you see her in the,

Did you see her in the boardroom? You could tell that she's probably never been in there before. All the employees are looking at her like, like with these plastic smiles on their face. She has probably never conducted a meeting in her life.

Wendy (14:02.071)
yeah, when they're due, yeah.

Wendy (14:14.104)
I agree with you. I agree with you. mean, when they got to Orlando to pick up the dogs, they met her parents there. So the dogs were at her parents' house in Orlando. What is that all about? Seriously, what is that all about? Why? That makes no sense to me.

Kelli (14:26.232)
Yeah, why? Right, right.

And again, you're taking a private jet from Miami to Orlando to pick up dogs. Do you not see the waste in all of this?

Wendy (14:40.826)
Yeah. Yeah.

So then Stephanie asks Larsa, how is Lisa? And Larsa's like, don't wanna talk about her. Then Stephanie says her glam team used to be Lisa's glam team a long time ago. Then Larsa tells her that Julia threw water at Gertie the last time she saw the ladies. Then in the meantime, Marisol calls Larsa and tells her that Alexia dropped a bomb. And this is when she's off the plane getting the dogs.

And Todd and her decided to ask for an extension another three months to decide whether or not they're going to get the divorce. And Marisol's like, you know.

Kelli (15:24.814)
have to be honest with you. I've never done divorce law, so if any listeners out there have, correct me if I'm wrong.

I've never, we've talked about this in other aspects, like legal aspects, like where a judge should say, this needs to be done by this date. I've never heard of a divorce judge, a family judge being like, you need to be divorced by this date. But again, I've never done marital law, but to me that's, right? It sounds a little,

Wendy (15:57.134)
Right. It is interesting. It is interesting.

Yeah.

Kelli (16:03.191)
odd that a judge would be putting time restraints on a divorce. But yet these other legal issues we talk about, like, I don't understand. Why doesn't the judge just say, you got to do this by this date.

Wendy (16:13.148)
or even divorce.

Well, even when we were talking about Drew and Ralph and how Ralph wasn't producing the financials and then they keep getting, like, we kept saying that, like, there's gotta be a time limit. Like, why does he keep getting it pushed off? Now, this is the absolute opposite. Like, the judge is telling them that you need to get divorced or take back the complaint. Like, either you're doing it or you're not. Like, what? It's very bizarre. It's very bizarre.

Kelli (16:21.795)
Right.

Kelli (16:28.3)
Right. So total opposite.

Kelli (16:39.884)
Yeah, isn't it bizarre?

Wendy (16:44.112)
So Marisol wants to get the girls together to distract Alexia and have a girls night and go out and have some drinks. And also Marisol says that, why wasn't I invited? Because she likes flying and I guess Larsa doesn't to go do the dogs. So then Marisol goes over to Lisa's house and she's telling her about the party and they're waiting for Alexia to come over and then they're gonna tell her when she gets there what happened. But Marisol wants to...

let her know about Alexia and Todd, but she doesn't really get a chance to do it because Alexia kind of shows up. So Marisol said, Larsa was recapping Milan and she was saying that Jodie was amped up, his crazy behavior, argumentative. You were defending her because Jodie was screaming at her. And Lisa's like, Jodie was not screaming.

Kelli (17:21.176)
Alexia come so quickly,

Wendy (17:41.894)
Jodi doesn't scream, he doesn't raise his voice. Like, she is such a lot. And honestly, I really can't see Jodi raising his voice.

Kelli (17:49.666)
I tend to believe Lisa in this situation.

Wendy (17:51.768)
I do too. I don't know if you heard it, but this past week Jodie was on the two Eds.

Kelli (17:59.692)
I meant to listen because on our text with cousin Gina, I saw, is that where you said, I think that's where you mentioned that you had listened. I thought you did and I was like, I have to listen to that, yeah.

Wendy (18:06.126)
did I say it? yeah. So yeah, yeah. I did listen to it. I did listen to it. See, I have so much going on. I don't even know who I tell what to, but yes, I did listen to it.

Kelli (18:15.176)
Or maybe you replied to a comment from a listener on YouTube or something. I saw that you listened to it though.

Wendy (18:20.75)
Yeah, I I did listen to it. And when I will say, I will say to you, he seems very level headed. He seems very level headed. He, they were doing business together. You know, like he doesn't, I believe him and I believe Lisa. I think that Larsa is trying to spin this to make him look like he is just like Marcus and that.

Kelli (18:45.443)
Right.

Wendy (18:46.458)
He also said that he's gonna be seeing Marcus because he's going to, think it was, I think it was Italy, but don't quote me. He was going somewhere in Europe with his daughter and he was meeting Marcus there in a few months. And he also said Marcus has been clean. He hasn't seen him drinking or doing anything. That is good to hear, but I thought that that was very interesting. I believe it because he's not gonna be taking his daughter around him if he's not, right?

Kelli (19:03.982)
Well, that's good to hear.

Kelli (19:11.649)
No, no, right

Wendy (19:14.33)
He didn't say whether or not Lisa was going also, but...

Kelli (19:18.136)
Listen, I'm starting to believe between the Valley and Miami, I'm starting to believe that cocaine is around and people are doing it. Certainly not in my circles that I know of, but that's, no, no, no, but it's around.

Wendy (19:31.44)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (19:37.23)
No, no, not in our hood here, not in this little hood we got.

Wendy (19:47.196)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (19:48.862)
I'm not naive, I've lost numerous family members to drugs. I don't think it's something you can do occasionally, socially, I don't think so. But hopefully Marcus wasn't at a point where it was that much of a problem and hopefully that's true. That he is.

Wendy (20:13.338)
Yes, or maybe he, maybe after that picture surfaced, he saw treatment. He saw treatment and you know, maybe he is clean, you know?

Kelli (20:19.458)
got enough heat, right, where, right.

Yeah, no, listen, I hope nothing is, you know, I hope that's true.

Wendy (20:32.186)
Okay, remember I said that the worst produced scene was Martina and Juliet? No, the worst produced scene was the next scene where Loris is on FaceTime with Jack, her friend that met her in Milan, and she is saying, yes, I'm like, you have got to be kidding me. I cannot believe that these producers allowed this scene.

Kelli (20:46.268)
Ugh, fuck.

Kelli (20:56.27)
didn't even know who it was. My notes are, Larsa is on the phone with someone. And he's basically fact checking her story, which is bullshit. This means nothing.

Wendy (21:00.122)
Yeah, it was that guy Jack that she was in.

Wendy (21:07.802)
Right, right, yes. Yeah, and I mean, my next line is, you know, I call bullshit on this FaceTime and the conversation. Like, they're both, they're trying to spin their story and spin their narrative. Like, she's still saying that she thinks that Jodie's a social climber and needs to be on all the business calls. Well, when Jodie was on the two Eds,

Kelli (21:21.549)
Yes.

Wendy (21:31.662)
They asked him like how you met Lisa and he said that he saw her like and they were out at the gym like he saw her at the gym all the time. And you know she would come in late and leave early. And he thought like you know like what's up with that but then he realized like after he got to know her like her life is crazy like she leaves early and comes in late because wherever she is there's like people around her right.

But anyway, he asked her out and he asked her out and they were asking like, how did you ask her out? And he said something like, oh, I live on the next island over. And they're like, oh, you live on the next island over? Like that's a flex, you know? Because she was living, right? And then he said that he recently sold that house because they were asking, well, whose house was bigger? Your house or Lisa's house? And Lisa's house was way bigger, but he sold his house, I want to say for like 12 or 13 million. He's got his own damn money.

Kelli (22:09.486)
That is a flex. Yeah.

Kelli (22:24.236)
Wow. Right. I think, I thought we knew that though. Like that's why all this bullshit that Loris is saying, he's a gold digger. like, but he, I thought we knew he had his own money.

Wendy (22:25.582)
is what I'm saying.

Well, I mean.

Wendy (22:37.596)
Well, that's what I'm saying. Like we know he has his own money. He definitely has his own money. So why is Lars spinning that he's a social climber? Like that was Lenny. Like Lenny was all about that. That was what Lenny was about, about the cameras and about the spotlight. That's what Lars is about.

Kelli (22:40.8)
Yeah.

Kelli (22:52.844)
Yeah, I think more than any, I think Lenny's like a sex addict. I think Lenny, like more than all that, I agree with you, he was all that. He's just, I mean, he wants the shiny, young, new thing. I mean, Lisa's, she's perfect. Lisa is perfect.

Wendy (23:14.908)
She is perfect. I think that if we really dug deep, and I don't even think we have to dig that deep, I think Lenny has had some sort of trauma in his life that makes him the way that he is, you know, on dealt with trauma. I seriously think every housewife has some on dealt with trauma.

Kelli (23:25.87)
For sure.

For sure.

Kelli (23:36.364)
mean, he's obviously a person where enough is never enough because you found a beautiful girl, right? You did clearly a lot of plastic surgery on her. But again, she's perfect. created the perfect, not that you had to do much because she was beautiful before, that's still, then she has children. You wanted children. She has children. she did every, there's nothing this woman could have done better for you.

Wendy (23:41.115)
Right.

Wendy (23:55.622)
Right.

Wendy (24:00.998)
Right.

Kelli (24:06.894)
and you still not only divorced her, but humiliated her on national television. know, just put her through the wringer. I don't know. I have no respect for that man. He's a monster.

Wendy (24:15.473)
Yes.

Wendy (24:21.198)
No, I don't either. I don't either. He really is. He really is. I hope we never see him again. really don't want to see him again. So in the midst of all this, we see Lisa's still talking to Marisol and Alexia and she's telling them that she was dealing with her father's burial and she knows what's going on back here and that's causing her stress. And Marisol's like, well, how did you find out? And she said, I'm not, I'm not a rat. But Lars is texting me that, you know,

She's texting me, so I just sent her a picture of like what's going on and she shows Marisol the picture and Marisol's like, and Alexi's like what? She's like, she sent a picture of her dead dad in the casket. Just, I was like.

Kelli (25:00.674)
That was wild. That was crazy. I mean, I'm a huge Lisa fan. That's crazy.

Wendy (25:05.212)
was crazy. That was crazy.

Marisol's like, what?

Kelli (25:17.742)
I mean, did anybody see you take the picture? were they like, weren't they like, the fuck you doing?

Wendy (25:25.018)
You know what? Some cultures like take pictures of their loved ones in the casket. I know that they do that. It's a thing. I think it's weird. think it's, it is a thing. So whatever. I don't know that they're sending it in text messages to others, but that I, I, I'm sorry. I was hysterical. I was like, my God, Lisa.

Kelli (25:33.664)
I know.

It is definitely a thing in some cultures.

Kelli (25:46.112)
Right.

Wendy (25:51.067)
Marissa, owner confessional, is like, oh my God, dead people cannot travel through cyberspace. I was like. So Lisa's saying, she's saying like, F you in one text, and then she's saying, I'm praying for you in the next. Like, I just can't deal with this, meaning Marissa.

Kelli (25:59.758)
That was good.

Kelli (26:08.187)
No, I don't, no, don't, you know, listen, if.

If you're in a certain place with one of your friends and you wanna sense, like you have to preface the I'm praying for you with, listen, I know we're not in the best place, but I am thinking of you and I am praying for your family. Right.

Wendy (26:24.75)
Exactly. Like let's, right. Right. Like let's put this aside and you know, maybe we'll talk when you get back. Right? Yeah. Yeah. It's just ridiculous. Then we see Kiki and Summer are going to pick up her dad at the airport. Summer. my God. I love Summer. I so love Summer. She wants to dance.

Kelli (26:43.758)
She's so cute. When she was talking about the brother, you know, she's talking about her son. Why don't I have his name down? Chamar, thank you. And then she's like, I'm Summer in the back.

Wendy (26:50.286)
Yep. Shamar. I think it's Shamar. Yeah, Shamar.

I know this is so funny. And she's like, I want ice cream. And then Kiki's like, do you want to have a dance party with your little brother? She's like, yeah.

Wendy (27:10.332)
I love summer. I'm sorry, but I love summer. We definitely do. So Kiki picks up her dad and she's like, you when you go back, you're going to stay with me for a few months. And he's like, no, I got to get back. She's like, why for girlfriends? He's like, no, just, just one. He's like, well, she got me a boy. She's like, I have a brother. And he's like, yeah, like a little brother, like how old? And he's like, like three. Well, summer's four. Four.

Kelli (27:13.022)
I do too, I think we need more summer on the show.

Wendy (27:38.406)
Kiki said, well, how many kids do you have? said, seven. Kiki's like, don't want any more kids. He's like, okay, I'll have more for you. She's like, no, no, no. Like you gotta take care of your grandkids. You need to communicate with your grandkids before you're having more kids. And that's when she comes up with, like you have to keep in touch with Samar. Like he's in college now, he's taller than you. Like, and then that's, yeah, well, no, I didn't notice that. Although I did notice he is extremely young looking. He looks so young.

Kelli (27:42.008)
7Kids

Kelli (27:50.925)
Yeah

Kelli (27:56.93)
You didn't like how he was taller than him. Did you notice that?

Kelli (28:05.464)
He's very young.

Wendy (28:08.252)
I mean, he looks so young. I don't think he's had any work done. I just think that he looks young.

Kelli (28:09.805)
Yeah.

Yes.

Kelli (28:17.066)
No, I mean he was probably young when he had Kiki, you know?

Wendy (28:20.26)
Yeah, no, he looks so young. I mean,

Kelli (28:22.286)
I mean, she said, I mean, how old's Kiki you think? He kicked her out at 15. How old do you think she is? Mid 30s maybe?

Wendy (28:27.964)
Well, he kicked her out of 15. He kicked her out of 15 and her son is 18 and he's never met her son. She's got to be in her 40s. She's got to be in her 40s. Right?

Kelli (28:37.54)
he's never met her son.

I was thinking like 35, like maybe late 30s. Let's say she's 40.

Wendy (28:46.254)
I don't-

Okay. Let's say she's 30. I mean, then he, I mean, he's young. He looks young. He looks young. He's actually, he's, mean, he's very good looking, but that, I mean, she's gorgeous. So that's, you know, he's, he's a, he's a good looking man. I can see why, you know, he's getting all these women, right? He's a good looking man. Larsa and Marisol and Julia and Stephanie all meet up and Marisol worked with Stephanie's husband when she had the PR firm.

Kelli (28:54.23)
He's young. He looks young, yeah.

Yes, yes.

Kelli (29:05.3)
Exactly. Exactly.

Wendy (29:18.266)
I'm glad she mentioned that because she doesn't talk about the PR firm. I wonder what... Yeah, she was big. that's what it was when it was on back then. Like it was her doing all these events, right? With what's her name? Leah Black.

Kelli (29:21.09)
God, she was in PR.

Kelli (29:27.49)
Yeah, that's right. And she was born and raised Miami, right?

Wendy (29:33.633)
I mean, I think she's originally from Columbia. And I think that

Kelli (29:39.16)
Stephanie, but Marisol was born and raised in right?

Wendy (29:41.526)
No, I think she's from Cuba, actually, now that I think about it. I think she's from Cuba. Yeah, yeah. I think she's from Cuba. Stephanie was born in the US, but she spent three months of the year in Colombia. So Stephanie's husband, okay, so Laura said Stephanie doesn't like kids because she said Birkins and Boogers don't go together.

Kelli (29:44.65)
she is Cuban. She is Cuban. Right. Yeah, no, Stephanie was definitely a...

Yeah.

Kelli (30:10.444)
That's what it was.

Wendy (30:11.962)
That's what it was. And I was taking that note and Andrew was in the room. He's like, why are you writing down Birkins and Bookers don't go together? I said, that is a very important quote, Andrew.

Kelli (30:23.895)
You don't even know!

Wendy (30:24.38)
You don't even know.

Wendy (30:30.428)
Stephanie met her husband Masoud in Miami when she... Yes, when she was 26 and he was 50. Stephanie knew at an early age that she wanted to be filthy rich. She doesn't want children. She grew up in Columbia three months out of the year on a farm. She was born here and she's first generation American. Okay. Okay, Stephanie, I see you. I see you, Stephanie. But is it...

Kelli (30:31.064)
So funny. So this is another flex by Stephanie, by the

Kelli (30:56.12)
Listen, I admire her hustle. I admire her hustle.

Wendy (31:00.002)
Is it her hustle though?

Kelli (31:02.69)
whatever she tries to put out there, she's just a little too showy for me. Her Birkin, her Valentino gloves, blah, blah, blah.

Wendy (31:04.646)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (31:11.728)
How about when she comes in the barn and Larissa tries to take her Birkin from her and put it on the bar and she's like, no, no, no, no, no. She needs to be on the seat with her, the Birkin.

Kelli (31:24.044)
Now, listen, I am very particular about my bags and I don't have expensive bags. I certainly don't have a Birkin. I mean, I have a nice, whatever.

Wendy (31:37.946)
Yes.

Kelli (31:39.788)
Whatever it is. But I am particular about my bags because there is a very old Italian saying that you don't put your bags on the floor because if you put your bags on the floor, your money goes out the window. I don't know what bag being on the floor has anything to do with money going out the window, but I live by this. You know, we go out a lot together. So I will put my bag somewhere that is nowhere near a floor, obviously.

Wendy (31:48.909)
Right.

Wendy (31:53.924)
I don't either. I know you do. I know you do. I know. Yes, I know.

Wendy (32:08.187)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (32:08.332)
and I'm a little bit of a germaphobe too, but her reaction and what she said.

Wendy (32:12.86)
She was trying to put it on the bar. She was trying to put it on the bar. It's not like she was putting it, like you said, on the floor. She was putting it on the bar.

Kelli (32:18.122)
Exactly. Like your friend was just trying to help you out. Don't be an asshole.

Wendy (32:22.168)
Right. Right. Right. No, she was definitely overreacted about definitely overreacted.

Kelli (32:28.162)
Yeah, and it was just another flex about her Birkin.

Wendy (32:36.228)
I will say though, as much as I don't like her, I think her style is cute. I think she's cute. I think she's cute. I do, I do think she's cute. I do.

Kelli (32:42.508)
Adorable.

Kelli (32:47.022)
I'm trying to chalk it up to like maybe like, I mean, she doesn't seem like the type of person to be nervous about anything, but maybe like she was just trying to like, you know, she's brand new on the show. She doesn't, but see to me, like that's the difference between, between someone like her and someone like Dr. Nicole, cause Dr. Nicole came on the show. It was seamless, seamless.

Wendy (33:07.48)
Yeah. Yes. And I'm sure Dr. Nicole has more Birkins than we would ever imagine. And I will say, and we didn't see, I mean, we did see a little bit of her closet. We did. But her closet was fabulous. I love her. Yes. Yes.

Kelli (33:15.234)
Dr. Tiffany Moon certainly does.

Kelli (33:23.768)
Tiffany's? Tiffany's closet was so impressive. Didn't she have like the face ID to get into it or fingerprint?

Wendy (33:30.51)
I think so. No, I think she definitely did. And no, her closet's fabulous. she still does her TikToks in her closet. And she still does her Birkin unboxings. she still, these are things, this is her real life though. mean, this isn't, doesn't, it doesn't bother me either. It doesn't, I don't know why. I don't know why.

Kelli (33:45.442)
for some reason, like, it doesn't bother me. Like, that doesn't bother me. Like, it's not like a, you know.

Kelli (33:53.346)
This girl just came in like that. It's like, because even Crystal on Beverly Hills, like remember when Kyle was like, my God, you have the $90,000 Birkin. but Crystal didn't come off like that either, at all.

Wendy (34:00.166)
Right.

Wendy (34:08.282)
No, because Crystal is another one. She's so down to earth and she's so humble and she is so wealthy.

Kelli (34:16.44)
I know. I think it was a bad move that they got rid of her. Somebody just told Andy that, I can't remember who. Somebody...

Wendy (34:21.668)
I think she's going to be back. I think she's going to be back. I give her another year or so and I think she'll be back. I think she'll be back.

Kelli (34:26.434)
Good. Somebody just said it to Andy on Watch What Happens Live. That was a wrong move, taking Crystal off the show. Jeff Lewis.

Wendy (34:34.358)
cause Jeff and Crystal are BFFs now. I mean, they are BFFs. Like they hang out all the time. All because of Cynthia. Cynthia got them together. Yeah. So then they're talking about like Alexia, she's running late and Marisol calls her and she doesn't answer. And then she texts back that she's in bed with a horrible headache. And Lars is like, yeah, she's in bed with Todd. And before that even happened, Stephanie said, you know, there's one thing that, that drives me crazy is that people that are late.

Kelli (34:40.514)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (34:50.319)
my.

Wendy (35:04.238)
And because Marissa was like, Alexia is never late. Alexia is not late. Larsa's late. I mean, not Larsa. Lisa's late all the time. Lisa's always late. But Alexia usually is not late. But the fact that she felt the need, this is the first time you're meeting these people to tell them that that's something that, like, why should we care? Seriously, why should we care?

Kelli (35:11.02)
Right, right, right,

Kelli (35:25.464)
Yeah, yeah.

Wendy (35:26.982)
And we know it's gonna come up again, because we see it's coming up again. So then it's the day of the baby shower, and Ajean and her confessional said that Julia called her the night before and asked her to sit her next to Stephanie. Ajean agreed to sit her across from her.

Kelli (35:40.992)
It's Martina's only ask or it's Martina's request.

Wendy (35:47.288)
No, it wasn't Martina's request. was Julia's request. Martina's only request is that the baby shower be fun.

Kelli (35:53.176)
I thought that was Martina's request.

Wendy (35:54.486)
No, no. Martina's request was that the baby shower be fun. Julia wanted to sit next to her, Stephanie. That is who Julia is. And that whole interaction was so weird. And it even gets weirder.

Kelli (36:02.146)
That's weird.

Kelli (36:11.032)
Totally gets weirder. But I don't blame Adriana. I'm throwing this shower. I would like to sit next to you.

Wendy (36:16.208)
I don't either. I don't either. I do not either. And I don't generally agree with Adriana, but she was 100 % right. I'm hosting this shower. I will say that the place looked absolutely beautiful that she had that at. But the place was called Kiki, right? It said Kiki on the sign. Yeah, it said Kiki. I was like, that looks like a cute place. We should check it out when we go to Miami and go do the sunset hour. We need to get down to Miami. We have two places now we need to visit. OK.

Kelli (36:24.493)
Yeah.

Kelli (36:30.444)
It did. it was? I think it was. was, yes.

Kelli (36:40.675)
Yes.

immediately.

Wendy (36:45.724)
Then the producer asks Alexia, like, why did you stay in last night? And she said, it wasn't, it was not, I was not with Todd. No, I wasn't, I wish I was, but I wasn't. You know damn well you're with Todd. All right, we all know you're with Todd.

Kelli (36:56.366)
She's so clearly lying. She's so clearly lying.

Wendy (37:02.682)
Yep. So then we see Stephanie meets Adriana. She says she's never been to a baby shower in her entire life. Yep, never been to a baby shower. Nope. Stephanie doesn't want children. Stephanie does not like children.

Kelli (37:10.872)
She said that? Stephanie said she's never been to a baby shower.

Kelli (37:18.614)
I know, but come on, you have a family, you have friends, you've never been to a baby shower?

Wendy (37:25.54)
Never been to a baby shower.

Kelli (37:28.098)
That's interesting.

Wendy (37:31.214)
And then Stephanie says, I almost fell over. Stephanie says to Alexia, can I tell you something without overstepping my boundaries with Todd? Alexia says, you can. She said, when God takes out the garbage, you don't go back into the garbage and go diving in. Alexia said, I have to realize that on my own. And then inter-confessionals, I know, inter-confessionals.

Kelli (37:36.462)
Kelli (37:49.912)
Does she know who she's talking to? Does she not realize that she's talking to the Miami Teresa Judice and you do not come for their men?

Wendy (37:55.758)
I know. I know. I will say that I was so surprised how Alexia took that. And did you see the look on Marisol's face? I mean, that was priceless. That was priceless. I cannot believe that she said that. The first time she's meeting her. The first time she's meeting her.

Kelli (38:07.754)
my god!

Kelli (38:12.91)
Where's Florid?

Wendy (38:15.802)
Yeah, her confessionals, she's like, that comment was way out of line. And I don't ever agree with Alexia, but I totally agree with her. That was way out of line.

Kelli (38:22.902)
I agree with her here and then when she did next, I'm like, you're still an asshole, but we'll get there.

Wendy (38:30.158)
So then Lisa shows up and Lars is ignoring her. We find out that Gertie's in New York. That's why she's not there. No, they did not say. No, I don't know if she was or she wasn't, but listen, that wasn't the place for her. Martina and Julia arrive and Julia said, she's only been to one baby shower. Because in Russia, they don't do baby showers, right?

Kelli (38:38.498)
What was she in New York for, did they say? They didn't say.

Kelli (38:56.504)
They don't do it. That's interesting, huh?

Wendy (38:59.588)
And in Europe, she said they don't do it either. But we did say that here in America, you would just do one baby shower and then that's it. Like, well, no, no, we don't. We do it, you and I. Right, some people in America do whatever, like as many as you want. Every time you have a kid, you have a shower. Yeah. So Martina had one request and that was that it be fun. So Adriana said, before we start the games, like she wants to propose a toast to celebrate the adoption of the two beautiful boys and we see quick pictures of them.

Kelli (39:01.986)
Yeah.

Kelli (39:06.168)
Wow. We only do one?

Kelli (39:14.688)
Excessive. Excessive.

Kelli (39:30.062)
So adorable. And they are biological brothers, correct?

Wendy (39:31.036)
So cute, so cute. Yes, they are brothers. Yes, they are brothers. So before she finishes her cheers, I don't know if you noticed this, but Alexia drinks her drink and then gets up, stands up, drinks her drink and then gets up and says, can I say something? And Adrian says, if you must.

Kelli (39:36.95)
Very adorable.

Kelli (39:44.526)
stands up and drinks her drink.

Wendy (39:57.87)
Alexia said, my friendship with Julia started three years ago. Adriana said, well, my friendship started with Julia a decade ago. I was like, shit. And even Marisol and everyone in the room is like, what is going on? What is going on? Lisa said that.

Kelli (40:08.568)
It's not a competition. Yeah.

Wendy (40:14.488)
I just honestly like what what was she doing? What was she doing?

Kelli (40:16.96)
What was Alexia doing? What are you doing? That was so fucking rude. That was so rude.

Wendy (40:24.484)
It was so rude. It was so rude. She cheerses everyone and then she says, I'd like to thank you for, and Adriana's like, no, no, I'm thanking you for coming. I mean, the fact that Adriana didn't like deck her.

Kelli (40:38.318)
Totally.

Wendy (40:39.204)
I was like, what is going on?

Kelli (40:41.678)
That was ridiculous.

Wendy (40:43.816)
So, and again, so produced, just so produced. So the first game was the diaper game, like guess or taste what's in the diaper. All right, that's dumb. Although Lisa was like, did you see Lisa? She was like visibly getting sick. She's like, I think there was actually.

Kelli (40:47.234)
Yes. Yeah.

Kelli (40:57.261)
Well...

Kelli (41:01.556)
Yeah, so like what was in the diapers?

Wendy (41:05.391)
Well, I mean, there was beans. when Kiki guessed it, was like beans and it was beans.

Kelli (41:11.468)
and marasols was like all mustard.

Wendy (41:13.98)
Hers was mustard, yeah. Whatever, like...

Kelli (41:17.836)
I don't wanna ever play that game. Listen, I'm not a game person at showers. I'm not a present person at showers. If you, and I've been to countless baby bridal showers, I will come to your shower. I will bring you a present. Just let me eat and drink. That's what I wanna do.

Wendy (41:20.238)
I would. No.

Wendy (41:37.178)
Yeah, I agree. Like I don't even, I don't even want to watch some open gifts.

Kelli (41:41.902)
I don't want to watch you open gifts. Take your gifts home, open them up with your partner, and then send me a thank you, because I do like a thank you, but I don't need to watch you open them.

Wendy (41:54.224)
Yeah, I totally agree. I totally agree.

So the next game is Truth or Dare. And I really thought that this was going to be like a baby really. I don't know why I thought this. So the first question is Julia's. you got to do a threesome with people in this room, who would you do and why? Julia says threesomes are not my thing. It's insane.

Kelli (42:18.986)
I would almost be on board if this were a bridal shower, but it's a baby shower. What do threesomes have to do with it? I mean, just stretch it a bridal shower, but I'd be here for it.

Wendy (42:23.248)
Let me show it. Exactly.

Wendy (42:33.148)
I, it was insane. Julia's like, threesomes are not my thing, but Martina says, well, you have done a threesome, so pick one. I was like, Ooh, Martina.

Kelli (42:42.86)
Wow. Yeah.

Wendy (42:44.602)
So who does Julia choose? Stephanie.

Kelli (42:49.263)
But how about, did you say this? Martina said she better be included.

Wendy (42:55.452)
well, yo, no, yeah, no, I didn't say that. She definitely said that. I better be included. Right, right.

Kelli (42:57.996)
Yeah, Martina's like, I better be included in this. And Julia kind of looked at her funny. I'm like, obviously you're gonna, Martina's here. So you have to pick her and then one other person. Yeah. And of course she picked Stephanie, her new BF.

Wendy (43:08.476)
Right, Exactly. No, exactly. Exactly. right. And Adriana said, oh, the new shiny toy. And Stephanie's like, we've only known each other five minutes. Like, I don't want to do a threesome with you. But you know what? Julia picked her for a reason. Like, Julia wanted to sit next to her for a reason. Julia is so fake. It is unbelievable.

Kelli (43:17.677)
Yeah.

Kelli (43:23.435)
Right, right.

Kelli (43:35.55)
Unbelievable. And if anybody doesn't see this, I mean, I'm normally blown away by people's reactions to people I don't like on Bravo, but this would be crazy if people don't see how fake she is.

Wendy (43:36.879)
It re-

Yeah.

Wendy (43:48.858)
Yeah, it's bad, right? I mean, even the fact that, I don't know if in the beginning of the, when Alexi was there and she was talking to Adriana and she was saying, how she's so stressed about Todd. And then she said, well, you were part of the reason. And then they cut to the clip. Right. I'm not blaming it on Adriana. I'm not blaming, you know, Todd leaving me on Adriana, but then they showed the clip where Adriana was telling Julia in the car that they were having financial problems, which.

Kelli (43:51.382)
Yes, yes.

Kelli (44:04.236)
You added to the stress of my marriage, she said.

Kelli (44:17.038)
Right. Obviously they were. I don't know how Adriana knew that though.

Wendy (44:18.022)
They were having financial problems. Right.

Well, I think it's probably obvious if you're in a town like Miami. You know, I think it's probably obvious. And Julia was okay to hear that then, right? Then all of a sudden, like Julia and, you know, come on, Julia.

Kelli (44:27.224)
Yeah.

Kelli (44:38.871)
Yep. Yep.

Wendy (44:41.284)
So then Larsa is the next one. What is the biggest mistake I've ever made? I feel like I'm too loyal. What? No. You are a fake phony biatch. That's what you are. That's the biggest mistake you've ever made. No, no, no. Then the next one is Kiki. She does the dare and she has to twerk for 30 seconds, which...

Kelli (44:51.063)
No you're not.

Kelli (44:56.408)
Right, yeah, you're not too loyal, Larsa, don't worry. You're in no danger of being too loyal.

Wendy (45:08.976)
That was fabulous. I wonder what other dares there were.

Kelli (45:10.732)
I'll tell you what, I could watch Kiki twerk for a lot longer than 30 seconds and Martina was enjoying the F out of that. And as would I.

Wendy (45:14.382)
Yes!

Wendy (45:19.618)
Yes, she was. Yes. mean, listen, at least someone that could twerk got that because I don't think Marisol could have done it. I don't think Alexia could have done it. I mean, yes, yes. Then Lisa says to Stephanie that she's been wanting to be friends with her because she has an amazing jet and yachts.

Kelli (45:25.6)
Exactly.

No, no, the right person got the right dare.

Wendy (45:44.508)
So the first, go ahead.

Kelli (45:45.24)
So.

Kelli (45:48.856)
I think that Stephanie being insulted by Lisa, I think Lisa was joking and Stephanie being insulted by it is a joke because all you do is talk about what you have, what you're wearing. She said something about being in Versace at this point too. So.

Wendy (45:56.208)
She was joking, but she was drunk too. Lisa was also drunk.

Wendy (46:02.01)
Yes, because that's what she leads with. That's what you lead with.

Wendy (46:13.37)
Yeah, yes, because she dropped the diaper stuff on her Versace. Yes, yes, she's dropped every name we know. Yes, it's ridiculous. Right.

Kelli (46:17.768)
Yes.

Kelli (46:24.81)
All you do is flaunt your wealth. So her making a joke about wanting to be friends with you because you're so rich should not be super insulting to you.

Wendy (46:34.78)
Right. And she was drunk. then Lisa says to Kiki, I drunk? And she said, well, you are talking like you're a little tipsy, which she was. She's like, I have to.

Kelli (46:47.256)
See, well we all need somebody to call us out on.

Wendy (46:50.242)
Yes, but I mean, would have been nice if Kiki called her out before she asked her, but maybe she didn't notice until then. But that's the thing, know, so Kiki goes to the bathroom with her and she does, you know, kind of give her advice, but that's not how she treated Gertie. Like, why wasn't she being like, like, I don't know. I like Kiki, but I don't like the way she moves between this group sometimes. I don't like it.

Kelli (47:10.102)
It's interesting.

Yeah, I totally agree with you because I do like Gertie, but I mean I do like Kiki, but there's something shady. There's a reason she's being shady with Gertie right now. I can't pinpoint it. Is it because she wants to be in like the cool kid club with Alexia Marisol? Like just like Julia flipped, Julia flipped. Julia pulled the Jackie Goldshider.

Wendy (47:26.106)
Yeah, I can't.

Wendy (47:31.812)
Or is it because.

Is it because Gertie's

Wendy (47:39.3)
Is it because Gertie's a full-time housewife and Kiki's not?

Kelli (47:42.284)
Maybe.

Wendy (47:44.432)
That would be sad.

Kelli (47:45.08)
But other than the Gertie thing, I love Kiki, but she's being very shady with Gertie.

Wendy (47:50.926)
I agree. I agree.

So while Lisa's in the bathroom, Alexia and Marisol are talking to Larsa about what she said about Lisa. And Larsa wants to know who told her. And Alexia says, that's not the point in who told you. The fact that you were talking about her while she was in Canada mourning her father. The whole time this conversation is going on, and even when it came up, I thought for sure it was Alexia that told her. I really thought it was Alexia. I thought for sure it was Alexia that told her, because Alexia immediately called it out when it happened.

Kelli (48:17.368)
Totally agree with you.

Wendy (48:23.158)
And she again said, doesn't matter who told, like, I really thought it was Alexia. And Lisa kept saying, I'm not, I'm not telling.

Kelli (48:28.622)
Totally agree.

Wendy (48:32.676)
So then Lisa comes out and says, who are we talking about? Me. And Adriana said, we're not going to talk about this. And Julia says, well, can we just in this group admit to who told Lisa that we were talking about her at Marisol's celebration? I'm like, what the F are you doing? Lisa says, I'm not a rat. And Kiki's like, what are you doing? This is your own. She actually says that to her. What are you doing? This is your own shower.

Kelli (48:50.914)
Right, let it go.

Wendy (49:02.81)
So then Marisol goes, well, it wasn't me. And somebody else said it was. And then Kiki admits that it was Gertie that told her what was said. I was floored. I really, really thought it was Alexia.

Kelli (49:14.88)
Me too, but then when they show the scene of Gertie, she's like, I did it with Kiki. So it doesn't seem like Gertie's going to be upset.

Wendy (49:23.618)
No, she's not going to be upset. She's not going to be upset, but you know what? But it wasn't, listen, it wasn't Kiki's place to do that. It wasn't Kiki's place to do that. And I liked that Lisa wouldn't say, because it wasn't, I liked that Lisa wasn't going to say who it was, right?

Kelli (49:27.0)
But now Larsa is gonna be after Gertie.

No. No.

Kelli (49:41.966)
Right, right.

Wendy (49:46.66)
So then Lisa said, hasn't even been one week since I've put my dad in the ground. Why aren't you understanding that? And Adriana says, I'm sorry, Lisa. Lisa stands up and says, I don't want this to be about me. I don't want to talk about this. My dead dad, this is about you. I'm sorry I'm leaving. Like it turned into this big thing. And again, like it didn't have to be like that. It really didn't. Adriana was like, I really asked you guys not to start the conversation. And she did.

Kelli (50:11.854)
And yeah, think that, yeah, like Adriana totally was trying to squash every time they tried to bring it up. She was like, all right, guys, we're not gonna talk about this today. We're not gonna do this today. Yeah.

Wendy (50:19.142)
Yep.

Wendy (50:23.706)
Right. And then they're all like, they go after her. Martina's out there and Julia's out there and like, I felt bad for Lisa in that moment. I really did. And Julia cost, Julia cost it.

Kelli (50:34.082)
I did too.

Yeah, yeah, she brought it back up. Everybody was ready to let it lie. And she totally brought it back up.

Wendy (50:41.57)
Mm-hmm. And by the way, Larsa still didn't answer for it. She still didn't answer for it.

Kelli (50:48.714)
Larsa cannot let one event go by without making it about herself. She did the same thing at Jodi's birthday party. She went right in and started right in about her and Lisa's beef. Like she literally can't let anything go by without it being about her.

Wendy (50:56.773)
Yes.

Wendy (51:06.266)
It's so weird too, because they really were friends and they were friends for a long time. They were really good friends.

Kelli (51:08.908)
They were really good friends. I remember there was a Watch What Happens Live episode, I forget who was on, I think it was Lisa who was on, and Andy must have asked her, who's been the most supportive through your divorce? And she said, Larsa.

Wendy (51:23.697)
Yeah.

Wendy (51:27.28)
I mean, I don't know. I'm not liking Larsa. I don't like Stephanie. I don't like the phoniness. I don't like the over-producing. I don't like what Julia's doing. Julia is a phony baloney and she needs to go. She needs to go. mean, Stephanie's...

Kelli (51:34.412)
Mm-mm.

Kelli (51:43.606)
Yep. Yep. She needs to... Yeah, get her off the show. Nobody needs her.

Wendy (51:51.278)
Stephanie said to Martina when she met Martina, my husband loves you and you're the only woman he's allowed to love. What?

Kelli (51:59.8)
Yeah, it's weird.

Wendy (52:01.114)
It's just so weird. It's so weird. And I don't think they're getting rid of Julia anytime soon, because I think that Bravo likes Martina. And Martina comes with Julia. They're not getting rid of her. They're not getting rid of her. I don't know. I used to really love Miami. I loved Miami. I'm not loving Miami this season. It's only episode four.

Kelli (52:04.333)
Yeah.

Kelli (52:11.054)
I'm sure they do.

Kelli (52:15.394)
Yep, now you're right.

Kelli (52:25.09)
Well, I agree with you, there's a lot of overproducing going on.

And I don't like that at all.

Wendy (52:33.486)
I don't either. don't either. Especially when it's so obvious. mean, the grocery store, the FaceTime with the guy, are you kidding me? I mean, seriously.

Kelli (52:42.75)
Yeah. And I really want to know what's really going on with Todd and Alexia. I feel like there's so much we don't know. Something like, is it for the show? Is the whole divorce separation, is it for the show? Are they just really together? Does Marisol really hate him or is Marisol just going along with the, cause she's a rider tie Marisol.

Wendy (53:02.556)
I think Todd.

Kelli (53:10.22)
Alexi could have been like, listen, this is what we're gonna do. This is gonna be my storyline. You gotta be the overprotective friend. Say you hate him, blah, blah, blah. And Marisol's like, all right, I'm in.

Wendy (53:19.11)
I mean, that is very possible because Marisol is a ride or die. think that she really has a real love for Alexia and she wants Todd away from her. I really do think that that's the case. I think that that part is genuine. I think that Todd is very much like Louie. I really do. think Todd came in an opportunist.

Kelli (53:22.072)
She is.

Kelli (53:33.516)
You think it's genuine.

Alright.

Kelli (53:43.214)
100 %

Wendy (53:49.582)
wanted to be in the spotlight with the, who he thought was the HBIC, right? Just like Louis. As soon as it didn't go their way and everyone turned on them and they didn't get the edit that they wanted, they bowed out. Why do you think we haven't seen Louis? Why haven't we seen Louis?

Kelli (53:56.654)
Mm hmm. Yes.

Kelli (54:12.782)
Where is Louie?

Wendy (54:15.46)
Right? Where is he? Why haven't we seen Todd? They didn't get the edit that they wanted. And even the fact that Alexia said to him, I will quit the show for you. He said, it's too late.

Kelli (54:29.24)
that's the last thing you should be doing. Then he'll really ghost you.

Wendy (54:32.315)
Right.

Right? So it just shows you who they are. It shows you who they are. And these women, both Alexia and Teresa, have men that take advantage of them and they are too stupid in their love bubbles to see it. And it's sad. Honestly, it's very sad. It's very sad because they could both be.

successful independent women without these losers.

Kelli (55:06.018)
and they're both very stubborn. So they commit to these men and people are like, I don't know, maybe you should take a step back. There's these red flags. And then that makes them wanna go for these guys even harder. Like, what are you doing?

Wendy (55:08.028)
Stubborn.

Wendy (55:15.918)
Right. Right.

Wendy (55:21.754)
Yes. Yes.

Yeah, I, yeah.

Kelli (55:26.134)
I mean, you know, I don't know. But yeah, she's the Miami Teresa, there ain't no doubt about it. And you're right, Todd is just like Louie.

Wendy (55:36.614)
Yeah. And it's just so weird. Like, I swear to God, if we did a show with the four of them, like, if you look at them side by side.

Kelli (55:44.942)
Maybe we should do that.

Wendy (55:46.3)
Yeah, maybe we should. Yeah, I mean, it's just, crazy, right? It's crazy.

Kelli (55:49.442)
Maybe we need to come up with some comparisons.

Kelli (55:54.572)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (55:56.86)
And even look at Teresa and Alexia and look at their history of picking men and their history with their families and what they've been through. It's just so similar. They really are cut from the same cloth. They really are.

Kelli (56:13.87)
Yeah, I mean, it's no wonder that they're, I'm sure they really are legitimately friends. Yeah. Until they're not. Until they're not.

Wendy (56:20.124)
Oh, I'm sure they are too, until they're not. Because honestly, because that's how that type of person rolls, until they're not.

Kelli (56:30.392)
totally agree with you. It's just gonna take one of them to do one tiny, tiny thing, say one tiny, tiny thing wrong, and the wheels are gonna fall off that bus. Yeah.

Wendy (56:39.28)
and then they'll be dead to them. That's right. That's what's going to happen. That is what's going to happen. And it's crazy. It's just crazy.

Kelli (56:47.8)
Yeah.

Wendy (56:50.096)
So that's my take on Miami. I mean, I'm hoping it gets better, but as of episode four, I'm a little bit annoyed. And I was, like I said, I was really looking forward to Miami, because I really love Miami. I do, I love Miami.

Kelli (57:00.674)
of course Andy gassed it up. Andy was like, this is the best season. He says it about everything. wait till you see the reunion. Like Summer House, there was a big reveal. There was no big reveal.

Wendy (57:06.064)
He does.

Wendy (57:12.838)
There was no big reveal. So after Ariana was on Watch What Happens Live, Ariana Beerman, now the big rumor is that she's gonna be on Summer House. I mean, she actually would be perfect for Summer House, but I don't think it's true.

Kelli (57:26.03)
So I saw a thing that Amanda Batula put out that there's a new guy in the house, Emeril's not coming back, he's someone people will know. And they're starting to film this weekend for 4th of July, like we've said. So, yeah. I'm curious. I'm curious to see how Paige and Sierra, mean, and Amanda are without Paige.

Wendy (57:31.247)
Okay.

I don't blame him.

Wendy (57:37.504)
Yeah, yeah, so we'll see.

I mean...

Wendy (57:52.934)
Yes, I am too. And how...

Wendy (58:00.366)
Lindsay, how is Lindsay? I mean, I'm curious to see. I know, I know. I'm curious to see how things are with Lindsay and Carl, you know? And this, whole situation with her and the baby. And yeah, I'm, yeah.

Kelli (58:02.304)
She's back, she said she's back.

Kelli (58:11.757)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (58:15.66)
It'll be interesting.

Wendy (58:15.864)
I'm I know but we have to wait a whole you know we gotta wait a long time

Kelli (58:19.818)
this won't come out until what? Like probably March, February, March they air this.

Wendy (58:27.386)
Yeah, it's gonna be a while.

Kelli (58:31.416)
Cause they didn't, yeah, yeah, I think February, March. Because they don't film the reunion until after Christmas. Because we know that from the last reunion, we found out that Sierra took off for two weeks at Christmas. So they wrap Labor Day weekend.

Wendy (58:33.07)
Yeah, they yeah, because yeah, that is usually when it comes out February or March.

Wendy (58:48.144)
Right. Well, no, they don't fill them reunion. They don't film the reunion until they're like three quarters away through the season airing.

Kelli (59:00.33)
Right, right, so I'm saying, so we have to get through Christmas.

Wendy (59:06.362)
Right.

Kelli (59:08.701)
so maybe they're already airing. I don't know, whatever. I can't do math, I've had two glasses of wine.

Wendy (59:11.29)
Well, yeah, yeah.

something else I was gonna say and now I forget

well, couldn't have been that important.

Kelli (59:25.486)
text me.

Wendy (59:27.388)
I will text you.

Kelli (59:32.7)
We'll bring it up next episode.

Wendy (59:34.47)
There you go. Thank you for watching and listening to We Why Whenever. Please subscribe, tell your friends, and give us five star reviews.

Kelli (59:39.522)
Yeah, and thank you for everybody who has been subscribing because we really have seen a big jump lately and we really appreciate that. Thank you very much. Because we love doing this.

Wendy (59:46.81)
Yes, we do appreciate this. Yes. We do love doing it. We do. We look forward to the day that it doesn't cost us money to do it. That's really what we're looking forward to. I mean, listen, it's a slow process, but we're getting there. We're just going to keep doing it. We are. We are climbing.

Kelli (01:00:02.286)
Ha

Kelli (01:00:07.982)
We're climbing very slowly. Our climb is showing our age.

Wendy (01:00:13.754)
Yeah, I think I can, I think I can.

Kelli (01:00:19.704)
Well listen, Wendy's gonna be on vacation next week, well deserved vacation with her husband, so cousin Gina and I will be covering at least one show, hopefully two. Atlanta's not on.

Wendy (01:00:28.764)
Sounds good. No, we got a break from Atlanta. So I will cover that when I get back. That'll be the first episode of The Reunion. Oh, was it about The Reunion?

No, I don't know. I can't remember. It's gone. All right. Bye.

Kelli (01:00:46.614)
It was there and then it was gone.

Kelli (01:00:52.736)
All right, sounds good. Bye.

Wendy (01:00:57.724)
you