RHOA-Porsha & Shamea "The Cost of Friendship"

RHOA-Porsha & Shamea "The Cost of Friendship"

Summary

In this episode of We Wine Whenever, Wendy and Kelli discuss the latest happenings in Real Housewives of Atlanta, focusing on family dynamics, unexpected friendships, and the complexities of relationships. They explore the challenges of parenting, the impact of rumors, and the financial struggles faced by some cast members. The conversation also delves into misunderstandings and the evolving dynamics of friendships, particularly between Portia and Shemeah, as well as Angela's role in the unfolding drama. The conversation delves into the complexities of friendships and emotional dynamics among a group of women, particularly focusing on misunderstandings, communication breakdowns, and the impact of reality TV on personal relationships. The speakers reflect on specific incidents that highlight the emotional reactions of the individuals involved, the challenges of maintaining long-standing friendships, and the anticipation of future interactions, especially during reunions.

Takeaways

Kelli discusses the challenges of raising four daughters in a small townhouse.
Wendy reflects on the importance of summer jobs for teenagers.
The unexpected reunion of Shemeah and Ralph raises eyebrows.
Rumors about Portia and Ralph's relationship create tension.
Drew's past relationship with Ty is revisited amidst current drama.
Angela's financial struggles highlight the pressures of investment properties.
Misunderstandings about comments made regarding Pilar's college fund surface.
The dynamics of friendship between Portia and Shemeah are questioned.
Angela's honesty about her relationship with Charles Oakley is appreciated.
The episode showcases the complexities of navigating friendships in the spotlight. Emotional reactions can significantly impact friendships.
Misunderstandings often arise from lack of communication.
Group dynamics can complicate personal relationships.
Sister circles are a recurring theme in reality TV.
Long-standing friendships face unique challenges.
Emotional conflicts can linger for months.
The importance of addressing issues directly.
Friendship struggles can be exacerbated by external influences.
Anticipation for reunions can bring hope for resolution.
Reality TV can amplify personal conflicts. 

Transcript

Wendy (00:01.008)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy. We are talking about Real Housewives of Atlanta, Season 16, Episode Number 10, Meditation and Mediation, which is very appropriate.

Kelli (00:03.564)
I'm Kelly.

Kelli (00:17.559)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (00:19.644)
We start out with Kelly talking to her daughters in the kitchen and she's talking about the townhouse that she lives in now, how it's not big enough for all the personalities, which yes, and that is a lot of estrogen in one house, right?

Kelli (00:30.638)
She's got four daughters, right?

Kelli (00:35.886)
and the age difference between them. Chloe's what 16, 17? Yeah, and then Chance is 11, and then the twins are younger. So the age difference, it's not even ages where they could share a room other than the twins. I mean, if they have to, they have to, but.

Wendy (00:38.67)
Yes. 17.

Wendy (00:45.648)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (00:54.651)
Right.

Wendy (00:58.298)
Right, no, it's a lot. And she said that the judge has just, I guess she was awarded the home and the judge said that she needs to sell it because they came from a 7,000 square foot house. That's a huge house.

Kelli (01:11.778)
That's a really big house.

Wendy (01:16.224)
and Chloe is talking about how she just wants to be a teenager and she wants to not have to work for the summer. I like that her mother is telling her that she needs to work for the summer.

Kelli (01:29.772)
Yeah, and listen, that's the most fun time to work. I I worked on the boardwalk at 14 years old. it's the best job in the world. You know, it's the most fun time to work. You have no cares. You're making money and you have nothing to pay for except shit for yourself. I mean, she should be saving for a car, but you know, I'm sure, exactly, exactly.

Wendy (01:45.88)
Exactly. 100%.

I'm sure her mom's gonna fire one. Right. Yeah, but like you said, it is like you get to make all this money and it's all for you.

Kelli (01:59.726)
Yeah, you get to hang out with your friends. I mean, come on, what kind of job are you gonna go get a job at your favorite store, then you get a discount. And you get to hang out there all day. It was nice when they were talking about Chloe's dad and Kelly said that they're close. Yeah, that's nice.

Wendy (02:07.004)
Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

Wendy (02:17.39)
Yeah, I was glad to hear that. Yes, and she has such a bad relationship with the other children's father and you know, I'm glad she has a strong male figure in her life.

Kelli (02:24.491)
Right.

Kelli (02:29.248)
Yeah, for sure.

Wendy (02:31.45)
The next scene where Shemeah meets up with Ralph, this was a shock to me. I did not see this coming.

Kelli (02:38.196)
I did not see this coming at all.

Wendy (02:41.636)
I mean, we find out that they used to do a podcast together. I have no idea.

Kelli (02:47.726)
I mean, did they do a podcast together or were they on a podcast together one time?

Wendy (02:53.323)
no, think they did one together. I think it was a couple people. I don't think it was a one-time thing. No, I think that they did a podcast together.

Kelli (02:56.844)
Okay.

Kelli (03:01.144)
Okay.

Wendy (03:05.389)
and then to see Porsche roll up on top of it, like what?

Kelli (03:11.63)
Yeah, and I'm calling bullshit that Porsche didn't, she's like, I didn't know Ralph was gonna be here. Okay, stop.

Wendy (03:18.854)
Well, Shemeah does co-sign that on Watch What Happens Live that she didn't tell Portia.

Kelli (03:26.53)
So now

Wendy (03:26.724)
I don't know either, but I will also say that on Watch What Happens Live, she said what we see of her and is what there is. They are not close like they used to be. They are not close. Yeah. So she would not be lying. she feels like, like she said, like Portia hasn't had her back. She's been riding hard for Portia and she's not finding it reciprocated.

Kelli (03:35.512)
Really?

Kelli (03:49.634)
What do you think about what they said about Portia not wanting her on the show or only wanting her to keep a friend status?

Wendy (03:59.248)
I mean, I think that that's very possible. I also think it's very sad if that's the case. Shemeah did say though, she had no idea that the reason Portia didn't go to her wedding in Atlanta, she didn't know that she was mad at her. She didn't know that.

Kelli (04:16.684)
Yeah, I mean, she says that in, you know, in the scene tonight where she's like, that's not what you told me. And I remember hearing that, like she wasn't going because of, she couldn't, she was pregnant, right? She couldn't sit on the plane that long. Is that what it was? I thought it was something about her not being able to be on a plane that long. I thought maybe she was pregnant by lore.

Wendy (04:21.35)
Right.

Wendy (04:36.977)
No, she definitely wasn't pregnant. No. Mm-mm.

Kelli (04:42.518)
Yeah, I don't know. I thought I remembered hearing that. I don't remember hearing that it was because there was any kind of beef. So.

Wendy (04:50.938)
Yeah, mean, the fact that they've, mean, you can tell. Did you see Watch What Happens Live at all or no? You can tell.

Kelli (04:56.606)
No. I just watched Atlanta before I cooked dinner before we came on. So I didn't have time to watch it. She's on with Ariana though, isn't she?

Wendy (05:01.818)
Okay, you can see by.

Yeah, she is. I didn't finish watching it. I only saw like a little bit of it, but she did not, no. I mean, they did, that rumor, that rumor was out there and I was like, shit, I didn't finish watching it. And then I started reading more about it. Like, no, she didn't do that. Like, it's just people making up shit. It really is annoying. It is.

Kelli (05:10.648)
Did you hear that Ariana announced that she was pregnant? Is that real? Okay. So much fake shit going on.

Kelli (05:24.556)
Okay. I know it's so annoying.

Wendy (05:33.178)
So anyway, Shamim meets up with Ralph and he's talking to her about doing a podcast. And yes, and she says to him, like, listen, she met him through Drew, like that's how they met to begin with. And she wants to know like, what is going on with Drew and Dennis? And then all of a sudden Porsche rolls up and in the confessional,

Kelli (05:39.586)
Kings and Queens.

Wendy (05:59.012)
They say that Ralph, like Ralph says it and like Portia says it, they didn't know that the other one was gonna be there. They really didn't. I mean, not that I believe Ralph.

Kelli (06:08.152)
Let me ask you something, did you hear Ralph say that Dennis called him and asked for his blessing? Or did I mishear that? He said that, right?

Wendy (06:13.316)
I did. No, he did say that. And I was like, he did say that.

Kelli (06:20.376)
See, this leads me to think that Ralph's a little bit of a liar. Yeah, because Dennis, there's no way that happened.

Wendy (06:23.335)
Ralph is definitely a liar. I mean we know Ralph's a liar.

No, no, no, because then he's, then he goes on to say that like,

He doesn't know what's true. You know? So Portia says that Dennis sent me a text. It said, told Drew I wouldn't F her and run, I wouldn't F her and you run me her, you run me my money. And I was like, first I didn't really know what that meant.

Kelli (06:40.749)
Right.

Kelli (06:55.244)
Well, I feel like Porsche had to break it down for us a little bit.

Wendy (06:59.258)
Okay, was it, it wasn't just me? okay. I was like, I was like, wait, no, I knew what the first part meant too.

Kelli (07:01.078)
No, no, wasn't just you. I didn't know what the fuck that meant either. I knew what the first part meant. That was pretty clear, but the second part I'm like, I just kept thinking of Rihanna, bitch better get my money. Which I guess it kind of does mean the same thing.

Wendy (07:16.892)
Right. So I guess when she breaks it down, it's that Drew was saying, I'll just sleep with you and I'm not going to give you a piece of what you're producing. You know, you're producing things. And he's like, no, no, that's not happening. I honestly cannot see Drew doing that. I can't see her doing that. I'm sorry. I can't.

Kelli (07:42.446)
Me neither. Me neither.

Wendy (07:45.188)
I can't see that happening. I can see Dennis lying about that, but I cannot.

Kelli (07:48.334)
For sure. And honestly, even if Drew did put that out there, would she put it in writing in a text? There's no way. Knowing that you're filming a TV show with his ex, who doesn't want you filming with him anyway? She's not that dumb.

Wendy (07:54.809)
No.

Wendy (07:59.448)
Right, no. Right, right, right. So Shemeah admits the reason she brought Portia there is that she wanted a witness because she didn't want it to, you the rumors to go around like the rumors that are going around between Drew and Dennis. And that she also announces that Ralph is paying for the dinner. they, that was so funny. Yeah. And then it was dessert time too.

Kelli (08:15.469)
Bye.

Kelli (08:19.574)
God that was so funny. Porsche was like, I didn't know we were having appetizers.

Wendy (08:29.211)
you

And then Portia says the rumors on the street are running. But that does not mean they're true. She said to Ralph, what about the rumors about you? Are they true? And Ralph said, no, they're not. So if the rumors about you aren't true, then what makes you think the rumors about your wife are true?

Kelli (08:39.138)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (08:52.376)
Yeah, see, first of all, feel like we got... I feel like we got hit with a lot in the first 10 minutes of this episode.

Wendy (08:59.194)
We certainly did. We certainly did.

Kelli (09:01.45)
Now, again, I took a little bit of a break from Atlanta. So when they flashback to Drew saying, I mean, I don't know if she said she had an affair, but she said, yes, there is someone in my life and she makes me happy and she makes me laugh. And was her name Ty? The woman?

Wendy (09:19.408)
Yeah, so her name was Ty and that was, I wanna say, was it last season or the season before? She was in...

Kelli (09:27.595)
Okay.

Wendy (09:31.932)
Was she in that movie with her? I think they had a, I think she met her in that movie. I think they were in that movie together. The movie that she did with Candy, the movie that she did with Candy, I think Ty was in that movie with her, if I'm not mistaken. And it was rumored, it was rumored, but I I mean.

Kelli (09:38.264)
TLC movie? got it. Candy. Yeah, got it.

Kelli (09:50.254)
Okay, so did they have some kind of relationship?

Wendy (09:59.268)
It wasn't as rumored as Kyle and Morgan, let's put it that way. I mean, it was rumored like that, but it wasn't to the extent. It wasn't to that extent. And maybe it was last season and then it went off the air because then, you know, we didn't see it for a couple of years. And at the end of that reunion, Drew sang that song to Ralph, which you didn't see. Did you see that? Okay. Yeah.

Kelli (10:02.712)
Okay.

Kelli (10:06.701)
Right.

Kelli (10:19.854)
I don't think anybody didn't see that because it was everywhere and it was cringy AF.

Wendy (10:26.68)
Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, it's not like she admitted it. She just said that, you know, she makes me feel, you know, happy, right? So we don't know. We don't know for sure. We don't know for sure. And like Ralph said, when he came up that Dennis text him, there's no way Dennis text him. And then you're saying you don't know about the rumors on the street. Well,

Kelli (10:37.486)
Happy.

Yeah.

Okay.

Wendy (10:53.988)
What about what Dennis texted you? Why didn't you show those receipts if those receipts are out there? Why didn't we see those? You know?

Kelli (10:57.93)
Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, no, I'm not buying any of it. I still don't know if I'm buying the whole Drew Ralph separation thing, quite honestly. I feel like they could still be doing this for a storyline. The jury's still out on this one.

Wendy (11:04.887)
then for

Wendy (11:12.988)
I mean, I don't think that they are. I don't think that Drew would do that. I certainly would not put it past Ralph. I know, but they're her kids.

Kelli (11:19.47)
She's an actress.

Kelli (11:24.226)
but they don't know anything yet.

Wendy (11:26.684)
I mean, they don't know anything because the judge has ordered that they can't tell them, which I find that very strange. I mean...

Kelli (11:34.668)
very odd. Why is the judge telling you what you can or cannot do with your kids? The judge might order therapy, but they're not going to tell you what you can and can't say to your kid.

Wendy (11:38.844)
How to parent. Right. How's a judge?

How do you, has a judge order you how to parent your children when the judge orders him to live in the basement? What? I mean, seriously, am I missing something? Okay. Like this is not making sense. It's, it is not math thing. It's not math thing. And poor says, you know, don't use my divorce and say we're going through the same thing, meaning her and Drew.

Kelli (11:50.946)
Bye.

I know, I know, no, no. You just laid it out and the math's not mathing.

Wendy (12:12.866)
And then she says to Ralph, you know, that girl's talking about my child. She said, make enough money and I could send Pilar to college. But that's not what she said. But that's how it was relayed to Porsche from Shemeah. But that is not what was said because Angela was there when it was said. So I don't know what's going on here, to be honest with you. I really don't. I don't, you know, I think it's a bit of a telephone game.

Kelli (12:29.772)
Right.

Right.

Wendy (12:41.892)
I think that's how Shemeah heard it, right?

Kelli (12:46.542)
Maybe she did say like, she did say something about putting PJ through college. And Shemeah said PJ's college was already paid for and she said, well then maybe I could pay for some snacks, which is snide. That's snide.

Wendy (12:57.574)
from snacks. Right, no, it is, that is exactly what she said, but she didn't say, I'm going to, and that's what Portia thinks she said, and that is not what she said. And again, if she's saying that, then she's not gonna be offering to F him in lieu of payment, right? She's not gonna do that, doesn't make sense. Doesn't make sense.

Kelli (13:02.701)
Yeah.

Kelli (13:09.484)
Right. Right. Right.

Kelli (13:18.741)
No!

Right, Dennis is thirsty. Dennis wants on this show.

Wendy (13:26.35)
Yeah, so Dennis and Ralph, Dennis and Ralph need to go get their own damn show. Can we get a show which is Dennis and Ralph, the hot dog man and the liar? Like, let's put that someplace. I mean, not that I'm gonna watch it, but somebody might, right?

Kelli (13:30.571)
Exactly.

You

Yes, yes. And who was Cynthia's ex? Who was that?

Wendy (13:43.652)
Mike or, Peter, Peter Thomas. definitely.

Kelli (13:45.41)
The other one, Peter. Yeah, put him, Peter, on there. He was pretty thirsty, too. He tried to get on the show with somebody, didn't he?

He tried to get back in there.

Wendy (13:55.1)
Listen, you can put Peter, Apollo, Dennis, Ralph, put those four together and let them go on an island or something. Let them go do, you know, survivor on an island. I don't know. You guys can go measure your dicks.

Kelli (13:58.926)
Mmm.

Kelli (14:04.77)
Yep. Go film each other. Yep. They're horrible.

Exactly. That's all it is. Exactly. Good luck to you.

Wendy (14:19.036)
Yeah, there you go. Porsche says, Porsche says to Ralph, you never cheated your entire marriage. And he said, no, come on. We all know that's not true. We know that's not true.

Kelli (14:30.926)
Yeah. Yeah. We're going bullshit, Ralph. We're going bullshit.

Wendy (14:37.518)
Okay. So that kind of ends with the dessert and you know, whatever. It was a lot.

Kelli (14:42.35)
That was a lot for the first 10 minutes though. There was like smoke coming off my pan. I was like, woo.

Wendy (14:49.028)
It was a lot. Then we see Angela, I didn't realize she has five investment properties.

Kelli (14:56.142)
She needs to sell a house.

Wendy (14:58.33)
and she's two million in debt. And I don't know how it's only two million when that one property is $3 million and she owns five. I mean, that math is not mathing either, but... So Kelly goes over to one of her houses because I guess now she's going to be looking for a house and she has to sell the other house and get out of the condo or the townhouse or whatever it is. And that house is not ready to be sold. It is not finished.

Kelli (15:03.66)
Right. Right.

Nope. Nope.

Kelli (15:24.75)
No, and I liked it. Like, I love a big laid out ranch. I love it. But no, I mean, the pool was green. I mean, I understand if it's not like ready, like everything's not landscaped and everything, but I mean, get some chlorine in there, do something.

Wendy (15:43.546)
Yeah, it wasn't filled. What was in there was green. Like Kelly saying the ceilings are not very high. I know that's so funny. It is funny. But listen, I think when you're used to these high ceilings, like that really hits you because when I was down visiting my mom in Florida, my gosh, the ceilings in her, it's a ranch, right? But the ceilings.

Kelli (15:46.19)
Bye!

Kelli (15:53.1)
Meanwhile, she's like four foot two.

Kelli (16:03.714)
Yeah.

Wendy (16:12.346)
have gotta be like 10 or 11 feet high. So that means the doors, the doors for the closets, the doors for the bedrooms are eight feet high. I'm not used to these huge doors. It's so weird. Like it looks like it's so much bigger than it is just because the ceilings are high. Angela says that, you know,

Kelli (16:27.18)
Right, right.

Kelli (16:31.724)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (16:40.622)
it came across that she knew something at the event about Charles to Kelly. And she tells us the story. She breaks it down for us that she was in, Charles and Wendy Williams were doing an event together. And that's at the time when Wendy Williams husband, Kevin was, you know, in the public having a baby with somebody else and she was going through a hard time. And Angela did say to her,

Kelli (17:05.378)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (17:10.298)
You know what? It's just a baby. And Wendy said, well, do you know about this? And she said, you know, yeah, I've experienced this. So Wendy just ran with it thinking it was Charles, but it was not Charles. It was not Charles.

Kelli (17:22.574)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (17:27.598)
I'm so glad she cleared that up because I really like Angela. I feel like if, listen, he's fucking Charles Oakley. If this happened, I think we would know about it by now. If we didn't know about it prior to them being on the show, it certainly would have come out. I mean, cause you hope to God that if that did happen, he's doing the right thing. And you know, in this child's life.

Wendy (17:32.442)
Yeah.

Wendy (17:47.759)
Right.

Kelli (17:57.224)
I just, you know, I'm just glad she cleared it up. It's a totally legit explanation.

Wendy (18:04.272)
Yes, and she says it was her daughter's father, and Charles knows about these rumors. He doesn't care. He doesn't care, you know?

Kelli (18:08.258)
Right.

Kelli (18:14.638)
And why would he? He's Charles Oakley.

Wendy (18:15.716)
Right. Right. But she also admits, and she did say this to us, and we found this out in the very beginning, that her and Charles did have some problems at one point. And they took a break.

Kelli (18:25.048)
Yeah. And I love her honesty about him stepping out.

Wendy (18:30.14)
Yeah. So she's saying, listen, I know who he is. You know, we had our problems. We took a break. We worked through it. We're back together. You know, mind your own damn business. Right?

Kelli (18:33.912)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (18:42.25)
Exactly exactly. Yep, but she talked about it and that was

That was important. I don't love what happens next.

Wendy (18:54.752)
No, I don't like that she inserted herself in the whole Shemeah Porsche thing. Like that, yeah, that did not need to happen.

Kelli (19:00.62)
Agreed. Agreed.

However, she is earning her peach by doing it.

Wendy (19:08.908)
But did she need it? I mean...

Kelli (19:11.694)
No, but she, I mean, she's pushing that story along. Because clearly, it wouldn't have come out.

Wendy (19:20.118)
No, we wouldn't have known. How would we have known? mean, Shemeya didn't even know. But why is Portia confining in Angela if she's not even close with her?

Kelli (19:22.498)
We wouldn't. Exactly.

Kelli (19:28.118)
Well, first Shemeah did. First Shemeah confided in her and told her things that she felt a certain way about Portia.

Wendy (19:34.148)
Right. Right.

Kelli (19:38.027)
I, you know.

Wendy (19:38.234)
Yeah, I know. The whole thing is weird, to be honest with you.

Kelli (19:43.04)
Yeah, and I'm glad we went 24 minutes into the episode before we saw Brett, and I didn't mind it at all. When she came on the screen, I was like, pause, let's see when she enters.

Wendy (19:47.984)
Yeah. You timed it? That's so funny.

So yeah, so we see her and she's talking to Mike about she's excited about her mom's coming and he lets her know that he reached out to her sister Cher. I thought that was pretty, yeah, I that was pretty big of him. Then we see Angela's at another investment property and she's playing tennis with her daughter.

Kelli (20:10.414)
That was

Wendy (20:23.938)
and she invites Portia over because she's not gonna invite Portia to her real house because she says she would F her husband. So she's gonna invite her over to the investment house and play tennis. Listen, yeah.

Kelli (20:34.744)
Yeah, that's so good.

Wendy (20:42.072)
She, Portia, when she's there, she talks a little bit about her pampered by Portia event. I still really don't understand this event. I'll be quite honest with you. I don't, I didn't, I had no idea she had a sheet line. I still don't understand it. I really don't. I don't.

Kelli (20:53.806)
I don't either, but one, I loved the setup of that. Like all the different rooms. I loved that. And I loved when Drew was like, are we taking a picture for her line? Like all of a sudden they're all in a picture and Portia's like, can you hand me those sheets? They were clearly doing an advertisement for her line. So good.

Wendy (21:00.032)
Oh... Yeah, and the m- Yeah.

Wendy (21:08.368)
Right.

Wendy (21:12.153)
Right, right.

Wendy (21:16.388)
Right, and Drew's like, I didn't get a contract, because I know I'm not working for Bare Naked. Like, is this for my Instagram, or is this PampersbyPorsche's Instagram? I so, I love Drew. I really do. It was good.

Kelli (21:26.2)
That was great. That was great. Yeah.

Wendy (21:31.58)
And yes, yes. And Angela tells Portia that Drew didn't say she could pay for Pilar's college.

Kelli (21:32.728)
She tells Angela about her dinner with Ralph.

Wendy (21:47.948)
Angela also tells her that Shemeah said not wanting to be her lap dog and You can see you push starts crying. You could tell you could tell she's really she is upset and this is what this is what

Kelli (21:59.116)
Yeah, because she said that she thinks that she and Portia have a lopsided friendship.

Wendy (22:04.622)
Right. This is what, listen, I do like Portia. I don't like the way she came in this season. I don't like how she thinks that she's top dog. I don't like that. I would like someone to dethrone her, but not at the expense of Shemeah and her friendship. That's kind of how I feel about this whole thing. Right? Like.

Kelli (22:21.518)
Totally agree, yeah. But you know, Bravo has a real nice way of making these women think they're top dog. And then when they get too big for their britches, then Bravo gets rid of them. Look at NeNe.

Wendy (22:28.208)
Like I would be...

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I wouldn't have a problem with Angela taking down Portia, but don't do it with Shemeah. Like, leave Shemeah out of it. Let them have their friendship that they've had since they were kids. Like, that's what I don't like.

Kelli (22:42.23)
Yeah, but I honestly, like I really do think Angela's doing this to, you know, make a mark and push the story along. And I do think she's doing it in an eloquently way, an eloquent way. But I also don't think she's trying to hurt Shemeah in the meantime. Like obviously she knows this is gonna be good for the show, but you know, these are things that Shemeah.

Wendy (22:50.448)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (22:54.748)
She definitely, she is. She definitely is.

Kelli (23:08.76)
probably needed to say to Portia because they have been, for instance, middle school or high school, and it's probably always been this way. mean, you know, Portia has a presence and she, you know, probably always strived to be famous or in the public eye in some way. And her mother and her sister have always been nothing but supportive and hang in the background and let her do it. And I'm sure Shemeah was the same way, and now Shemeah's got a peach.

Wendy (23:32.006)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (23:37.242)
Yeah, I mean, I will even tell you when it was brought up on Watch What Happens Live, Shemei was crying. She was crying on Watch What Happens Live. So it's real for her and it's raw. And I agree. I don't think Angela knew the depths of their friendship and I don't think she knew what this would do to it, right? Because I think this is unfortunate. That's all.

Kelli (23:44.439)
Sure.

Kelli (24:05.762)
mean, if my best friend came to my birthday party three hours late and I'm filming and I'm filming getting a brand new car for my husband and she rolls up and walks up and interrupts the whole thing, I'd be fucking pissed. And I'm not like that. Like I don't want attention, I don't need attention, I don't crave attention, none of that. But I would still be pissed. Like, can I have a moment?

Wendy (24:14.812)
Hmm.

Kelli (24:34.654)
my birthday party, I'm getting a present, you're three hours late. Walk around, I mean, we said this when the episode aired, walk around the back and make a discreet entrance, not like some big, you know, like it's the Porsche show.

Wendy (24:39.055)
Right.

Yeah.

Wendy (24:48.902)
Right.

Kelli (24:51.692)
That alone would have pissed me off.

Wendy (24:54.478)
No, I agree. I totally agree.

then we see, we fought, we see Drew. something else.

Kelli (25:02.894)
let me ask you something though. When Portia left crying, if you were Angela, what would you have done right then?

Wendy (25:07.152)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (25:13.26)
when Portia left crying and she went in the house and she said she was really upset. What would you have done?

Wendy (25:22.724)
probably would have called Shemeah. Yeah.

Kelli (25:24.974)
I would have gotten right on the phone with Shamiah and been like, listen, I'm just letting you know. I mean, the cameras were there. They could have filmed the whole thing too. I said it, didn't see that response coming, but this is how she responded. And this is where we're at. Whether she wanted to apologize or not, that's on her. But I would have let Shamiah know immediately that that had gone down.

Wendy (25:34.64)
Yeah, I would have called you, Mayor.

Wendy (25:47.482)
I would have crawled her.

Yeah, this is, yeah, I would too. I would have called Shemeah. I would have.

Yeah. Then we see Drew and we find out that her and Ralph have not communicated since court. And we see her talking to Dr. Ken. He's now her life coach. He...

Kelli (26:11.98)
Is this just a new way of saying therapist? Okay.

Wendy (26:14.492)
I think it is, I think it is because he used to be their counselor, their marriage counselor. And since that didn't work, now he's her life coach. And she met him in 2021. So, you they have a little history, her and her life coach. Crazy, right? Angela told Drew about the text message that he sent.

Kelli (26:18.812)
Right.

Kelli (26:27.33)
Yeah.

Yes.

Wendy (26:37.83)
to Portia about Drew wanting to, the deniscent, when I say he, deniscent to Portia about wanting to sleep with him instead of paying him for her services. And naturally she's hurt by it. So now Angela's bringing that information to somebody else too.

Kelli (26:53.326)
She's been a little bit of a bone collector, Angela. She's taking over Cherie's job.

Wendy (26:55.98)
She really is. she know? Yeah, yeah. So the day of the event, no, before that, Portia and Britt is telling Kelly about Mike meeting with her sister Cher and that how they're trying to work things out and then all the ladies show up. Drew does show up. Was she late this time? I don't think she was. She was the last.

Kelli (27:19.234)
Yeah.

She was the last one. She was filmed as being the last one walking in, but.

Wendy (27:25.976)
Yes, but yes. She admits that they're gonna try and coexist. I really didn't, you know, I didn't know it was a lingerie party. Cause I'm like, why are all these women dressed like this? And then they go inside and they all get these beautiful sheer feathered boa robes. I mean, they look beautiful. They all look beautiful.

Kelli (27:49.676)
they did look beautiful. was just like, man, like if they knew they were gonna have to change, would they have dressed that way? Like I loved all their outfits. I thought they all looked great. And then when they went in, they had to change into again, yeah, like beautiful outfits. I mean, if I knew I was...

Wendy (28:05.542)
Did they change or they just put the robe over the outfit they had on? I think they just put the robe over their outfits. And I thought it was interesting that their outfits matched the robes that were there waiting for them. So they must have been given a color.

Kelli (28:09.077)
Maybe that's what they did.

Okay.

Kelli (28:18.604)
That's true, they must have been assigned a color.

Wendy (28:20.694)
Right, because they were all different colors and yeah. So they're getting the massages, which I thought was very nice. That's when Portia said she's, you know, she's got this really high-end photographer there and she's, you know, concerned about the time and she wants to get these pictures so that the ladies have them for themselves or for their, you know, their special boo. Yeah, and I'm like.

Kelli (28:23.362)
Yeah.

Kelli (28:47.182)
They're boo-thing.

Wendy (28:49.54)
Yeah, now she was like, no, nuh-uh. Now I know why I was invited.

Kelli (28:55.896)
Mm-hmm. Exactly.

Wendy (29:00.796)
Kelly lets Shemeah know that Portia was in tears about her and Shemeah said

Kelli (29:09.132)
and that Angela repeated everything she said.

Wendy (29:11.852)
Right. And Shamiah said about what? And Portia's sister is there leading them in meditation through this meditation and a sound bath.

Kelli (29:23.79)
Let me ask you something. Is there like a playbook for Bravo every year? How many sister circles are we gonna have to see this year? Because it's all bullshit. This is the third sister circle we're seeing.

Wendy (29:25.147)
Yeah.

with the.

I know. I know. I know. I agree.

Yeah, so we saw it in Beverly Hills, we saw it in OC. we've seen it in Salt Lake too. I don't think we've seen it in New York though. We never saw it New York, did we? No, they're not doing that bullshit. No, no, there's no, no. I mean, we did a long time ago when Teresa first got out of jail. We did like the namaste with Sigi. Remember that retreat?

Kelli (29:39.586)
Beverly Hills.

Kelli (29:44.526)
Yeah, I mean, it's ridiculous.

No, no. We definitely didn't see it in Jersey.

Kelli (30:04.433)
it's Ziggy. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Wendy (30:06.812)
Right? When we know how well that went, right? None of these go well. Yeah, they don't go well.

Kelli (30:12.278)
Exactly. Yeah, these girls really seem to work out well for these ladies. It's almost like a jinx.

Wendy (30:21.38)
Yeah, it is. So all the ladies are lying down and their eyes are closed and Sheme is not, she's not laying down. And then Kelly gets up and goes over to her and Sheme is like, well, why, why are you messing with your meditation? She's like, because like you're not laying down. Yeah. She's like, well, you're not, she's like, well, she said, if you feel comfortable to lay down, she's like, I don't, I don't feel comfortable. And Portia hears them talking and she's just like, shh. And Lauren says like, we are,

Kelli (30:34.158)
I'm not at peace.

Wendy (30:49.286)
you know, open up our sister circle and Angela says to Portia she appreciates her apology and hopes that they can move on.

Kelli (30:59.128)
Did she actually apologize to Angela though? Did Portia actually apologize to Angela? When she said, appreciate your apology, I was thinking, I don't ever remember, but I guess she must've, she must've.

Wendy (31:10.126)
She did. She did at the Bailey queue. Remember at the Bailey queue? Yes.

Kelli (31:14.259)
yes, they went into a separate room. I'm thinking when they sat down for tennis. You're right. Yep.

Wendy (31:18.87)
No, no, no, at the at the Bailey queue at the Bailey queue. So Kelly says, I admire Shemeah and Portia and their friendship. I feel about. What did she say? I feel about each other. Everyone feels what is that? What did I write? I don't even know what I mean by that. What happened there?

Kelli (31:44.322)
Who was it? Who said it?

Wendy (31:46.921)
Kelly says she admires Portia and Shemeah's friendship. Which I remember that.

Kelli (31:52.418)
Right, right.

Wendy (31:54.108)
I don't know how it came, then Shemeah says she doesn't feel like she can open up to Portia. And Portia said, I receive what you're saying and I feel sad that she feels like that. And then Portia said, Angela said that you're the best friend and I'm the bad friend. And you can see Portia is upset.

Kelli (32:13.912)
But that's not what she said. Like that's a bad twist on words there, yeah.

Wendy (32:15.376)
That's not what she said. That is not what she said. That's not what she said. Right. And Lauren said, well, how does hearing that make you feel? And Portia said, well, I feel like a piece of shit. And Shemei said, well, I've never been the one to talk about my friends behind their back. Anything that was brought up to her has not been communicated to her.

Kelli (32:39.042)
And I believe that anything Shemeah, well, I guess not. I guess not. I was gonna say if Shemeah said anything to somebody else, it's something she said to Portia's face, but it doesn't sound like it from what Angela's saying.

Wendy (32:48.866)
No, because then Angela said that she said that she was upset that Portia didn't go to her wedding. And she also didn't know that Portia didn't go to her wedding because they weren't speak well, then Portia announces. Let me just make this clear. Like we were not speaking a few months prior for a few months prior to it. And I didn't go to her wedding in Kenya, but I did go to her wedding here in the United States. But she made it and know that like she didn't know that. Right.

Kelli (33:02.402)
Yeah.

Kelli (33:06.286)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (33:14.934)
Right. She thought it was something else. was something about her not being able to be on a plane for too long or something. She couldn't sit that long.

Wendy (33:24.528)
I vaguely remember that. I don't remember what the exact reason was. And Angela said, well, I brought that up because I wanted to see, I wanted Sheme to see how you feel, you know, like how do you feel like right now? And she said, well, I would never allow anyone to talk bad about my friendship. And apparently that's not reciprocated. And you know, that's where Sheme is with this whole thing. Like she feels like she's always had Portia's back and Portia has not had hers. And

Kelli (33:25.901)
Yeah.

Kelli (33:45.826)
Yeah.

Kelli (33:50.892)
Right. Right.

Wendy (33:52.794)
Then Cynthia jumps in and she said, really hate when the circle breaks up friendships. And it always does. Portia and Shemeah's friendship goes deep and it does. They've been friends since they were children. Lauren asked her how she feels and she said, it's a lot of hurt and that's okay. I don't expect to have it resolved right now. And Shemeah says, well, I've always showed you grace. And Portia says, thank you for your grace. And she was like, well, that was sarcastic. And it was, it was.

Kelli (34:18.188)
Mm-hmm. It was sarcastic. For sure.

Wendy (34:21.176)
No, and Portia said, no, I'm just a piece of shit, it's cool. And it's like, no, that's like...

Kelli (34:27.892)
Yeah, like relax.

Wendy (34:31.544)
And how long ago was this? Like six, eight months ago? And they're still in that same place.

Kelli (34:37.858)
Yeah, that's tough.

Wendy (34:41.186)
I hope at the reunion that they can come together. really do.

Kelli (34:46.744)
There's gotta be more to it.

Wendy (34:50.234)
I agree.

Kelli (34:50.36)
There's gotta be more to it, right?

Wendy (34:53.178)
I feel like there has to be.

Kelli (34:55.682)
Yeah.

Wendy (34:57.232)
I mean, the obvious thing is that Portia doesn't like that Shemeh has a peach, but I think that's too obvious. I really do. I think it's too obvious. you know, Portia's...

Kelli (35:02.018)
Yeah. I do too.

I do too. But if you were Shemia and like maybe somebody came to her with receipts for that. And if you were Shemia and you saw right there in black and white that poor shit, that would be so hurtful.

Wendy (35:18.662)
that she was talking that way.

Wendy (35:24.464)
That would be hurtful, but the first thing I would do would be call her out on it.

Kelli (35:28.322)
Yeah, yeah. What did Andy, like what was Andy saying to Shemeah about it?

Wendy (35:34.124)
Andy was saying that, you know, he was trying to comfort her and say that, you know, he thinks that they can work it out. But again, she was crying. And she's even like, I keep crying. Like, I keep crying about this. you know.

Kelli (35:55.31)
That's a long ass friendship man. I mean how old are they in their 40s? Early 40s I'm sure right? That's a long friendship from high school.

Wendy (35:57.797)
I know.

So yeah, but yeah, yeah.

No, middle school. I think it was middle school.

Kelli (36:07.52)
Middle, yeah, middle school. So either way, it's over 20 years, you figure.

Wendy (36:11.066)
Yeah, it's a long friendship. To, over what though? Like we don't really...

Kelli (36:15.948)
and to know each other before you were housewives or before, you know, housewives was your thing. Yeah. Yeah. Like you were some awkward teenager when you met her. That's tough.

Wendy (36:21.18)
before you were married, before you had kids, before, you know...

Wendy (36:29.435)
Yeah.

Wendy (36:32.782)
I don't know. I hope that they can make up. I don't, and I don't know. that's what also Andy asked her. Andy asked her, you know, what her, like, was it once Phaedra came on? And Shemeah admitted she was nervous because, well, if you think about it, the last time Phaedra was around Shemeah was when the whole...

Kelli (36:37.303)
Yeah.

Wendy (37:01.468)
the thing went down and yes, and that didn't go well, right?

Kelli (37:02.99)
with Candi and Todd. Yeah, yeah. And Shemeah is really close with Candi as well. So yeah, she's definitely gonna feel a certain way about Phaedra.

Wendy (37:10.767)
Yes.

Wendy (37:15.556)
Yeah, but she said it, you know, it was fine. she was, she was nervous about it, but it went, it went well. But what I'm thinking is now I feel like, you know, they are introducing her, her and Portia as fricking frack. And yeah, like that's what they, like that's like one of the scenes we see like, fricking frack are back together. And I'm just like.

Kelli (37:30.983)
Phaedra

Kelli (37:37.876)
so this could really, this could have something to do with it too.

Wendy (37:41.486)
It could, it could. And I hope that that's not the case. Because then Shemea did make some kind of, I thought it was kind of snide comment about Phaedra because he said like, what about her unmarried to medicine? And Shemea says like, how many shows is she on? what, you know, are we going to find another show for Phaedra to be on? So there's something, there's something going on there too. I don't know what, but there's something going on.

Kelli (37:45.112)
Yeah.

Kelli (38:01.902)
That's interesting.

Yeah. Yeah. Huh.

Wendy (38:10.16)
Yeah. But I mean, what episode did I say we were on?

Kelli (38:15.05)
Yeah, 10. So how many are we getting?

Wendy (38:18.328)
Episode 10, I'm guessing maybe 15, 16.

Kelli (38:25.698)
What season is it?

Wendy (38:27.228)
16, season 16.

Wendy (38:39.515)
Are you looking it up?

Kelli (38:40.578)
Yeah, it just takes me forever because I can't say I'm old, my eyes are bad. it only has 11 listed, but I guess, you know, they list them as they come out.

Wendy (38:46.214)
Ha ha ha ha.

Wendy (38:57.446)
Yeah, they don't give us too much in advance.

Kelli (39:02.209)
Right.

Wendy (39:04.132)
Yeah, I don't, I wish it.

Kelli (39:05.238)
Yeah, they only have 11 listed, damn it.

Wendy (39:08.28)
All right, so we're guess we're just going to have to wait and see.

Kelli (39:11.306)
Yeah, but but we're at least halfway through because we're not getting 20 episodes out of these out of these franchises anymore

Wendy (39:16.476)
No, we're certainly not getting no No, we're not we're not so we'll have to wait and see what happens. I Am liking this season

Kelli (39:24.93)
No.

Kelli (39:30.945)
I am too.

Wendy (39:32.38)
I am liking it. You sometimes it takes me a little while and you know, we started out with the Kenya bang and then we're like, okay, and then we were like stuck on the Brit thing, but I feel like we're off Brit now and now we're onto Angela and Shemeah. And I think then once Phaedra comes in, it's gonna be a whole other dynamic.

Kelli (39:34.486)
I am too.

Kelli (39:45.131)
Yeah.

Kelli (39:53.9)
It's gonna be like a different show and it does feel like so long ago like that thing with Kenya happened so long ago. It's like a totally different show now.

Wendy (40:00.41)
Yeah. And I don't remember, was Drew, I don't think Drew was on with Phaedra, was she? I don't think so either. I mean, they're all from Atlanta though, so I'm sure they know each other. Yeah.

Kelli (40:08.078)
I don't think so. No. No.

Kelli (40:14.914)
I'm sure they have rolled into each other, yeah. You know what's funny? So when we recapped the Valley, I said, I don't know if this show is coming back. I was listening to Heather McDonald tonight. She's with Brandi and who's Julie, Brandi and Julie. Are they together? Are they a couple? Or are they just very good friends? I can never tell.

Wendy (40:24.422)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (40:32.624)
Julie. Yeah, yeah.

I think so. I think there are a couple.

Wendy (40:42.64)
I'm almost positive they're a couple. You know, they used to do the people's couch. Yes, yes.

Kelli (40:44.416)
Okay, I gotta look at it. People's couch, absolutely. And so did the one girl who wound up on Shaws of Sunset, she and her sister.

Wendy (40:54.128)
Which girl?

Kelli (40:55.63)
I'll look it up and I'll text it to you. But the one girl from Shadows of Sunset, she came later, she wasn't an original, because she watched it on the people's couch and talked about it. It's funny, like that was like what we're doing. They did what we're doing, but on a couch with a camera in front of them instead of, it's so funny. But anyway, Heather MacDonald was saying how great the valley is and what good.

Wendy (41:06.417)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (41:16.303)
Yeah.

Kelli (41:22.434)
good reality TV it is and I was like maybe I'm wrong maybe I'm way off

Wendy (41:26.908)
I think you are, I'll be honest with you. And I think Heather's a little biased too because she lives there. She lives in the valley. She's friends with all of them. Like she hangs, like, you know, she's a little biased. She's a little biased.

Kelli (41:29.016)
Yeah.

and she's friends with... Yeah.

That's true. I never thought of that. Yeah, you're right. You're right. But I don't know.

Wendy (41:42.33)
You know, she hangs with, she hangs with everybody to be quite honest with you. I mean, she hangs.

Kelli (41:46.966)
find any of them very interesting. I just don't like Jesse's a scumbag, Jax is a douchebag.

I don't know.

Wendy (41:57.146)
Yeah, I agree with you on those two. Yeah, I do. I do.

Kelli (41:59.566)
Yeah, but yeah, you're right. I forgot she does hang out. I mean, they were talking about going to Sheena's 40th birthday party that night and Brandi and Julie were going as well.

Wendy (42:09.316)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it used to be like a love fest when her and Jeff were friends because like Jeff hangs out with a lot of them too and he's friends with a lot of them too.

Kelli (42:22.978)
I know, I wish that didn't happen between them.

Wendy (42:25.676)
I know. I know. I don't think there's any repairing that either. I think that's done.

Kelli (42:30.422)
No way, like you probably tried to publicly shame her.

Wendy (42:33.606)
Yeah.

Kelli (42:35.49)
No way, I wouldn't be able to get past it and be his friend again. I would be cordial, I'm very good at being cordial and keeping someone at arm's length, but.

Wendy (42:42.224)
Mm-hmm

Wendy (42:46.394)
Yeah. It's just weird because I feel like they have to run into each other because like, like I feel like it's, you know, they're running the same circles. Like how do they not run into each other?

Kelli (42:50.734)
Absolutely.

Kelli (42:56.694)
Yeah, wasn't he supposed to get a show back on Bravo?

Wendy (43:00.764)
I think he is getting a show, but it wasn't announced. It wasn't announced with those, cause he's been talking about it.

Kelli (43:03.798)
It just hasn't come out yet.

Kelli (43:09.728)
Yeah, and it wasn't I mean, they just announced four new shows, right? Rhode Island, The Wife Swap, Valley Shaw's and what was the fourth one?

Wendy (43:14.288)
Yeah.

Kelli (43:21.396)
ladies of London.

Wendy (43:24.366)
yeah, Ladies of London. I don't know, I never watched Ladies of London. I tried to watch it once, I didn't really get it. I didn't get it, you I couldn't relate because I've never been to London. I felt that like they, I just couldn't relate. But then I did watch Housewives of Dubai with Caroline and I know her husband Sergio, he's a lot younger and I, you know, I...

Kelli (43:35.747)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Wendy (43:52.636)
I don't know, I liked her on Dubai. So I will watch it.

Kelli (43:55.766)
Yeah, it might be something Lori would get into too because it's in London.

Wendy (44:01.262)
Yeah, it might be.

We'll have to wait and see.

Kelli (44:06.67)
Mm-hmm. All right. I'm good.

Wendy (44:08.858)
Alright, I don't have anything else. Until next time, thank you for watching and listening. Bye!

Kelli (44:14.114)
Bye.