RHOA- The Bravoholic Connection

RHOA- The Bravoholic Connection

In this episode, Wendy, Kelli, and Miriam dive deep into the dynamics of the Real Housewives of Atlanta, focusing on the relationships between Porsche, Dennis, and Drew. They discuss the complexities of reality TV relationships, the double standards present in the Bravo universe, and the impact of production on the cast's interactions. The conversation also touches on nostalgia for past cast members and the importance of unity within the franchise. In this conversation, the hosts delve into the intricate dynamics of reality TV, focusing on relationships, parenting, and the personal struggles of the cast members. They discuss the drama surrounding various characters, the impact of wealth on personal lives, and the challenges of surrogacy. The conversation also touches on the importance of authenticity in reality TV and the pitfalls of filler scenes that detract from character development. In this conversation, the speakers delve into various themes surrounding reality TV, particularly focusing on the impact of fame on personal appearance, financial betrayals in relationships, and the ongoing drama among cast members. They discuss the dynamics of friendships, the role of anger management, and the complexities of victimhood in relationships. The conversation also touches on the intersection of music and reality TV, highlighting the challenges faced by individuals in the spotlight. In this engaging conversation, the hosts delve into the complexities of relationships within the reality TV landscape, particularly focusing on the dynamics of Shep and Sienna, and the evolving role of self-made women in shows like Bravo. They explore the impact of representation in reality TV, highlighting the importance of showcasing diverse narratives and the challenges faced by women in the industry. The discussion wraps up with a look ahead to future topics, emphasizing the ongoing relevance of these themes in the world of reality television.

Takeaways

• Wendy, Kelli, and Miriam share their experiences as Bravoholics.
• The group discusses the latest episode of Real Housewives of Atlanta.
• Dennis is viewed positively by the group, especially in relation to Portia.
• Miriam highlights Portia's manipulative behavior in her family dynamics.
• The conversation reveals the double standards in Bravo's treatment of cast members.
• Drew's relationship with Dennis is seen as a potential storyline.
• Portia's control issues over Dennis and Drew's filming are debated.
• The role of production in shaping narratives is critically examined.
• The group expresses a desire for past cast members to return.
• Unity among cast members is emphasized as crucial for the show's success. Kenya is known for her snide remarks and drama.
• The dynamics between husbands and wives vary across shows.
• Generational wealth is a key theme in parenting discussions.
• Surrogacy brings both joy and challenges to families.
• Wealth does not equate to happiness or fulfillment.
• Shemia's character is evolving positively in the series.
• Filler scenes can dilute the impact of character arcs.
• The importance of legacy in parenting is emphasized.
• Reality TV often highlights the contrast between wealth and humility.
• Drama in reality TV often reflects real-life struggles. Fame can significantly alter personal appearance and public perception.
• Financial betrayal can have severe consequences on personal and professional relationships.
• Drama often follows certain individuals in reality TV, particularly in romantic relationships.

Transcript

Wendy (00:00.899)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy. And today we have a special guest, Miriam. That's okay. Welcome Miriam, a BravoHolic.

Kelli (00:03.6)
I'm Kelly.

Mariam (00:05.176)
And I am, Tariq.

you

Kelli (00:09.956)
Welcome, Uriam. Absolutely. And it was a chance meeting at the Heather McDonald show in Red Bank. We started talking and hit it off right away and kind of spent the rest of the night together, right? Yeah.

Mariam (00:11.754)
Another Bravoholic among the millions, yes.

Wendy (00:20.161)
Yes.

Wendy (00:25.952)
Yes.

Mariam (00:26.188)
Yeah, you know Heather always said when you want to find your people go to my shows and she's she's so right. It was the first the first time I go alone to something. I found you guys. Yeah.

Kelli (00:30.786)
She was right.

Wendy (00:32.887)
They

Wendy (00:37.027)
That's great. That's great.

Kelli (00:38.672)
Yep. And cousin Gina was with us too, of course. Yeah.

Wendy (00:43.075)
Yep, cousin Gina. So tonight we're talking about Real Housewives of Atlanta, season 16, episode number two, and this one is called Hot Dog and Hot Mikes. Well, I don't know what the hot dog. Yeah, we didn't really get to, I mean, just because it's Dennis, we're calling it hot dog. I don't know.

Kelli (00:55.492)
very appropriate.

Mariam (00:57.146)
Yeah.

Kelli (01:01.199)
Sure.

Mariam (01:02.446)
The hot dog kink.

Kelli (01:03.908)
just say though, I like Dennis. I always liked Dennis. So I'm rooting for Dennis. I'm just gonna say that out the gate.

Mariam (01:06.871)
love it.

Mariam (01:11.448)
Me too.

Wendy (01:12.609)
I like Dennis too.

Mariam (01:14.91)
Dennis is the best extra for Bravo ever. He's so chill. He's funny. know, he doesn't like he has money, but he doesn't say it out loud. He's very chill. I really like him. Portia Lost. This is the one that got away from her for sure.

Kelli (01:18.928)
Yeah.

Kelli (01:22.383)
Yes.

Wendy (01:33.091)
you

Kelli (01:35.088)
Yeah, and that's what I was gonna say. I think that he, I don't wanna say handles because that's not a nice thing to say, but I think he interacts with Portia appropriately. I think he knows how to navigate a relationship with her very well.

Mariam (01:52.494)
Did you watch Porsche Family Matters?

Wendy (01:56.023)
I did. I did. I did. Yeah.

Kelli (01:56.382)
no I didn't. so maybe I'm way off.

Mariam (01:57.751)
Ugh.

Mariam (02:01.294)
Listen, but it's not a Dennis problem. I'm just telling you right now. I think Portia, can we talk about Portia Family Matters a little bit? Because that's the best hidden secret. Because it was out there for everybody to see. It was really jarring how Portia tried to manipulate everything, but she couldn't.

Kelli (02:05.837)
Okay.

Wendy (02:11.938)
Yeah, why not?

Kelli (02:12.088)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Mariam (02:30.926)
And she was trying to portray herself some type of way, but she wanted to control everybody in her family. She wasn't even treating her sister kindly, which she never did, to be honest with you. She treats her like one of her employees. And I feel so bad for Lauren. But then she had a cousin as well. And I'm just fast forwarding to the end of the show. There was a session.

Kelli (02:45.945)
I agree.

Mariam (02:56.846)
that supposedly it was gonna be a meditation, everybody bring together, and then the producers started like asking the family members, aren't you gonna talk about what happened? Like before, they had the huge altercation. She did not get along with Dennis' mom. She did not. It was terrible, yes. it was, she lunged into her to punch his mom.

Kelli (03:16.592)
Wendy (03:16.803)
Yes.

Kelli (03:25.136)
So did they show a little bit of a flashback of that in last night's episode? Is that who the other woman was? And Dennis was like, whoa. Okay. Okay.

Mariam (03:29.45)
yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. So Dennis, to be honest with you, I think now he knows how to co-parent with her and he dodged the bullet, I think. But Portia, she lost her. feel like, I know he's a womanizer and he, I think he cheated on her. That's what she said. You know, maybe, maybe that happened, but.

Wendy (03:34.305)
Yes.

Kelli (03:43.952)
Mmm.

Kelli (03:53.61)
that's what she said.

Mariam (03:59.56)
She, the reason I say that she lost the good one because she was really, really in love with him. I never seen her look at a man like she did look at Dennis. Like when they're taking a picture for like the pregnancy pictures. It was really like, was, I never liked Portia, but I was happy for her. Like despite of me. Because I always felt like Portia, got like, she's very funny. Like,

Kelli (04:07.269)
Yeah.

Kelli (04:20.302)
Right. Right.

Kelli (04:28.688)
Mm-hmm.

Mariam (04:29.474)
There is Nini, then Portia, as to funny. She is extremely funny, but she has the other side of her personality that she's, I'm here, you guys are here.

Kelli (04:42.33)
She definitely needs to be the center of attention. And she needs to be surrounded by people who will allow that.

Mariam (04:45.141)
always and

And she had a facade because her like, you know, before marrying, what is his name? The first guy, her first husband, Cordell, she had a wild life according to her at all, you know? Like you would have never guessed that, that she was in videos, you know, rap videos and she was with R. Kelly, like what? She never mentioned that.

Kelli (04:57.232)
Cordell and I had I forgot it too. They reminded me last week

Kelli (05:16.568)
Yeah. Yeah.

Mariam (05:18.456)
So she was really trying, she really compartmentalized her picture in the franchise. What helped her is her being so funny. She's very funny. But then like her coalition with Portia brought the evil side of her. I know that Phaedra for sure used her as a pawn, but she had no reason to flip on Candy.

because Kandi gave her opportunities in her play, in everything. She was there with her, like packing her stuff when she was kicked out from Cordell's house. So for me, like that coalition with Phaedra brought the evil that maybe was always there. I don't know how Bravo still employs Portia because of that. They really tried to frame Kandi.

Wendy (05:51.351)
Yes.

Kelli (05:52.25)
Totally agree. Yes.

Kelli (05:58.447)
Right.

Wendy (05:58.594)
Yes.

Kelli (06:15.812)
Well, but look, but they brought, we talked about this last week, they brought Phaedra back too. They put Phaedra back on Bravo.

Mariam (06:16.224)
It's criminal.

Mariam (06:22.496)
And this is what upsets me the most with their multi-standard. It's not a double standard. It's every shade of standard and what they did with Kenya. Kenya Photoshopped the picture. But then again, what is that compared to criminally accusing someone of drugging them to take advantage of them? Like there is no comparison.

Kelli (06:24.632)
Yes!

Kelli (06:39.044)
Yes. Yes.

Kelli (06:44.708)
Yes.

Mariam (06:47.448)
and they put her as a friend off, they give her a time out, like seriously, they should get a grip. Like just from the first two episodes, like I am 100 % sure we will feel Kenya's absence, we will.

Kelli (06:52.154)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (07:02.21)
Mm-hmm. I totally agree

Mariam (07:04.59)
I'm already mourning it. Like when I see her, she will be back, but I don't think they should have put her on pause at all. Like she would have showed up, she would have been confronted by the woman because she's now quite coward. But they should have kept her in, they should have given her her flowers, title pictures, she should be in it all along.

Kelli (07:06.874)
Think she'll be back though.

Kelli (07:30.212)
What do you think about this, both of you? Now, so she was asked to leave, know, put on pause or whatever it was, Kenya, for doing this picture. She is at an event that she is hosting. Production's there. Cameras are up. Production knew that these pictures were there and they didn't stop it. They continued to film and then they slapped Kenya on the wrist? Like, that's what I don't understand.

Mariam (07:44.258)
Yes. yeah.

Mariam (07:48.526)
I am 100%. Exactly.

Mariam (07:55.832)
But that's what they do. That's their formula with everybody.

Kelli (07:59.416)
If you knew it was wrong production, you should have shut it down before the tape started rolling.

Mariam (08:05.07)
But that's their formula. They let the talent do whatever they want. They push the envelope. Look what they did with Brynn. Brynn is being like passively promoted. Today, there was like virtual reality from page six. They had like, they were plugging three podcasts from Bravo Labs. Brynn was on top. In the middle was Erin and her husband.

Kelli (08:10.436)
Yes.

Mariam (08:34.56)
And at the bottom was Gia.

So, and what did Brynn just do? Exactly. What did Brynn just do when she did one of the darkest things ever too? exactly. But that's my point. Like they don't have a standard, they just push. And I'm sure Brynn was, you know, she was also like, she had some motivation. They gave her incentive to do it. Yes, say it.

Kelli (08:48.666)
She did too.

Mariam (09:07.0)
But then they just hope for the best and they deal with the backlash accordingly. And they were always harsh on Kenya. Like she was punished because she didn't air her wedding. But then again, here they have their golden goose, Portia. When she got in with Simon, he had four weddings off camp.

Kelli (09:26.617)
Right.

Kelli (09:32.76)
Right, right.

Mariam (09:34.446)
And now they're bringing her as the center peach. So.

Kelli (09:36.964)
Yeah, you're absolutely right.

Wendy (09:38.723)
don't think she's the center. really think it's Shemeah.

Mariam (09:42.599)
Shemia. my god. Not yet.

Kelli (09:42.772)
Yeah, but not yet. I agree with you. think Shemeah is gonna take this season for sure. But right now, I mean, that intro with Portia in her workout gear and looking at the buildings and it's like, what is this cinematography on Real Housewives? But I agree with you, Shemeah is gonna take the season.

Mariam (09:48.13)
She already!

Mariam (09:59.566)
Cry me a river.

Mariam (10:03.65)
First of all, I bet my bottom dollar that Porsche never ran a mile in her life.

Wendy (10:06.947)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (10:14.679)
Hahaha!

Mariam (10:15.212)
That one, no, come on.

Kelli (10:16.919)
You're absolutely right and neither have I for the record

Wendy (10:20.067)
you

Mariam (10:21.034)
me neither. No I have but like you can count with one hand. I'm not criticizing her but this photo op that they had her like with the photo op that they had to show her that she's working out and she is you know come on and cry me a river cry me a river. my god.

Kelli (10:29.136)
No, I don't

Wendy (10:31.158)
You

Kelli (10:40.345)
Yeah.

I know.

Yeah. All right, let's get into it. Yeah. Get into it.

Wendy (10:46.997)
All right, so let's get back to this episode. We start off where we left off at Shemeah's birthday where they're all having the conversation and Shemeah asked Drew if she's dating Dennis. And Drew said, Portia knew that she was working with Dennis and Drew tells Portia that she reached out to her many times and Portia's like, you sent me a couple texts. And she said, well,

Mariam (10:52.416)
It's hard.

Kelli (11:13.904)
But isn't that reaching out?

Wendy (11:15.391)
Well, it is, but this wasn't a conversation to have over text. She was expecting her to call her. Well, then she explains how she wound up working with Dennis, that she had opened up for Tamar Braxton and then Dennis reached out to her management so that she would host the official after party for that. And then he came to her after she did this with this professional pitch on how he could work with her and her music.

Mariam (11:22.612)
I think it's a trap.

Wendy (11:45.776)
And her music at this point was really what is helping her get through her divorce with Ralph. I don't think she's dating Dennis. I really don't think she's dating Dennis.

Mariam (11:49.87)
Kelli (11:56.816)
I don't think she's dating Dennis, but I do think, I do agree with Portia that he should not film with Drew. He should not film with her. Because no matter what capacity it's in, if it's a professional capacity or anything otherwise, it's going to cause some ripples.

Wendy (12:06.808)
I do too.

Mariam (12:19.028)
Ladies, I'm the odd man out here, odd woman out. Karma. Who is Portia to set moral boundaries on anyone? She completely lost all of those the moment she got in with Simon. Period. There is a clear, like there is a clear cut break between her and Dennis. There is nothing between her and Dennis.

Wendy (12:23.235)
You

Mariam (12:48.878)
If I also, I don't think they're dating or anything, but I'm sure they're like both of them. have mutual interest in being on TV because then he can promote his, his hot dog kingdom. And, know, and then Drew, she has a juicy storyline other than her dry husband. You know, that's not the, her ex yet, but I would agree with Portia.

Kelli (13:04.771)
Yeah. Yeah.

Mariam (13:18.998)
If Portia practiced what she preached, she doesn't. So she got with Simon. He was still married, she says in paper. Come on, the blurred lines are so blurred there. And then she said, but he was separate. I'm not saying that they were not separate because Fallon also, they all lie.

Wendy (13:22.051)
Practice what you preach.

Kelli (13:43.588)
Well, wasn't she pregnant with someone else's child? Okay, cause-

Mariam (13:46.68)
She was, and you know, I fell prey of Fallon as well. I believed Fallon, but then there was one time that she came into a podcast and I was one of the call-ins. And at that moment I realized this woman is lying. Like her timeline is not messing. So they're all the same. So here for Portia.

Kelli (14:01.712)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (14:06.574)
Mmm.

Mariam (14:14.552)
to say that Drew, that's messed up, to film with him. But then again, why? Because he's coming into her show, into her money. Dennis helps her with Pilar, if not, puts the whole bill. So I don't think Dennis coming in damages or affects Portia in a negative way money-wise. I think it's the opposite. But then again, they're not together.

Kelli (14:30.383)
Right.

Mariam (14:43.214)
She met Simon as the husband of Fallon on TV, on the screen, on the show. So now here she is preaching on Drew. Yeah, what Drew is doing is wrong, but it's not as wrong as what she did. So we can't forget that. So I am totally in. I want more Dennis, more Drew. I want to see their single and I will download it.

Kelli (14:49.036)
On the show. On the show.

Kelli (14:59.95)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (15:09.658)
Well, the thing is, I understand Portia's point where, you know, I don't want you filming with him because it could mess up what they have because it's reality TV and there's drama. But I also understand Drew, if this is what's going on in her life right now and she is producing music with him, that makes sense too. But I don't know, something about Drew, there is, I don't agree with Portia calling her low down and dirty and I know we'll get there, but.

There is something about Drew that just seems a little off for me. I don't know what it is. I don't want to say she's a liar. I don't know if she's a liar. There's just something I'm like, I don't know, man.

Mariam (15:46.943)
I have-

Wendy (15:55.403)
Listen, my take on this whole thing is the reason Portia doesn't want Dennis to film with Drew is because she can't control Dennis if he's filming with Drew. It's a control thing. It's definitely, it's a control thing. It's a control thing. And listen, think that she, because he is her baby daddy, I think she has that right to do that. Because listen, although as far as a moral compass goes, you know, that's a totally separate situation.

Kelli (16:05.613)
Exactly. Totally. I totally agree with you.

Mariam (16:06.862)
Exactly. Totally. Yes.

Wendy (16:24.895)
She was there for Drew when Drew was going through the, you know, she was having the hard time with Ralph. She's the one who reached out to her and said, do my, you know, my hairline with me and you can be an ambassador for me. And she did reach out to her. She was trying to help her. She wasn't trying to throw her underneath the bus. And what she's saying to her is don't film with him. I don't care. She even said, I don't care if you're dating him. I don't want, I don't want you filming with him. And I think that she needs to respect that. I think that she needs to respect that.

Mariam (16:40.078)
I think, first of all, just like she is protective of her wallet, her wallet is not more important than Drew's wallet. First of all, Drew also, she wants a storyline, right? And okay, so.

Kelli (16:47.949)
Exactly.

Kelli (16:53.112)
I did, yeah, yeah.

Kelli (17:05.934)
Well, that's true. This is going to be big part of our storyline.

Mariam (17:09.324)
So here's the thing. just as my, like why everybody should play by Portia's rules. Why? First of all, yes, the control thing. She can't control what Dennis does. She doesn't know if his mom is going to show up. You know what? Karma. Yeah, she helped Drew and so did Candy help her. And what did she do to Candy? She did way worse than what Drew is doing. So for me, it's like her.

crying and her getting emotional. I think she is really jealous. Period. She is jealous because maybe deep down she thought maybe they can work something out right now by the parenting thing because now she realized how a scam of a guy is Simon. Come on.

Kelli (17:51.12)
Mm.

Kelli (18:01.208)
No, she saw dollar signs with Simon. I firmly believe. Yeah.

Mariam (18:05.262)
Exactly, she was blinded by them. So this is, and she likes to display that she's the smartest in the room, she knows what she does. Some things, does she know that the year is 365 days yet? Maybe she learned after because in the beginning of her story with housewives, it was 265 days the year. So, you know.

Kelli (18:30.408)
that's right.

Mariam (18:34.282)
She was totally blinded by the money and she didn't care the optics. And she said, okay, I won't be in housewives. won't need housewives. She really thought she wouldn't need that. But then when she started going to the airport and seeing that they can't stand in the same line as everybody else, this is what triggered her to what is going on, what is going on. Well,

Kelli (18:38.244)
Yeah.

Mariam (19:02.37)
She got the Wizard of Oz as husband and now he's in ice custody. So my point of view is she needs to put her bigger pennies and deal with it. And it's not up on her to curb anybody from filming with anybody. It's not Portia's land. As far as I'm concerned, I was in love. I'm in love with Shamiah at first sight.

Wendy (19:05.155)
Yes.

Wendy (19:31.646)
yes.

Mariam (19:31.658)
And this is Chemiah's land. And I feel like there will be friction because he has been always her sidekick, Portia's sidekick. Now I don't even think that Portia can fathom all the love that Chemiah is getting from everybody.

Kelli (19:32.715)
she's a great addition.

Kelli (19:48.356)
did not realize that Portia was three hours late to that party until last night's episode, or I watched it last, yeah. I did not realize it was three hours. That's effed up.

Mariam (19:50.562)
me neither.

Wendy (19:56.077)
I know. I didn't realize it either.

Wendy (20:02.349)
Yeah, it is apt up.

Mariam (20:02.828)
Yeah. And I think it was motivated by production as well, but in Portia's mind, it's okay. She is the star. She is the last to arrive. And she saw that like, if my friend, my best friend, she is receiving the gift of all gifts, I'm not going to go and talk to her right away. I'm gonna go mingle just like Kelly said.

Kelli (20:08.272)
Absolutely. Absolutely.

Wendy (20:13.357)
Right.

Kelli (20:30.489)
Yeah.

Mariam (20:32.13)
I would pretend I've been there and talk to her to the side. Like, it's unbelievable, her ego.

Kelli (20:34.992)
skirt around the back. Like, try to blend in, like you've been there a while.

Mariam (20:41.582)
She has no clue. She thinks she's the queen, now that Nini's not there anymore. And for her, I don't know if you guys watched her at Watch What Happens Live. They asked her, who would you like to bring back? She didn't say Nini. She said Kim Solzy. Yes, she did. I'm not making this up.

Kelli (20:50.436)
That's right. She took that's right.

Wendy (21:04.451)
She did.

Kelli (21:04.649)
come on.

That, listen, that's a great way to get me to not watch the show again. I just jumped back in. If Kim Zolciak comes back, I'm out. I can't stand the sight of her. I want NeNe back.

Wendy (21:12.011)
Hahaha!

Mariam (21:12.084)
me too.

I want Mimi back.

I want Nini back, I want Nini back just to put Portia in her place because Portia is funny. Portia is funny. But well, Nini, you know, her ego got the best of her too. And it was her demise. I think now she got like a piece of humble pie, but she still knows everybody like loved Nini. Like my favorite scene of all times is when she and what's his name?

Kelli (21:24.496)
Put them all in their place.

Kelli (21:31.615)
yeah, she thought she was the shell. Yeah.

Humboldt.

Mariam (21:50.168)
the fashion guru Dwight, they were in the basement. And then all of a sudden, like he's lap dancing on Nini. It was hysterical. Like, I'm like, what is going on here? Yeah, I am a proponent of Dennis. I want him to hold a peach or a hot dog. I don't care. He needs to be part of the show. And Portia has no say in telling anyone.

Kelli (22:07.237)
Yeah.

Kelli (22:11.138)
Yeah, that would be amazing.

Mariam (22:18.592)
It's messy, yes, it's messy, but guess what? What is Real Housewives? It's messy. That's what it is. So no, I'm all for it and I wish, I wish Portia, she came, she could have won this. I wish she came showing remorse, acknowledging that it was a mistake, the way she got with Simon.

Kelli (22:21.902)
That's it. That's what it is now. Yeah.

Kelli (22:48.548)
Yeah.

Mariam (22:48.704)
It should, she should have taken her time to know him, not in 30 days get engaged.

Kelli (22:55.098)
She's not gonna show any remorse and she is a true, and listen, most housewives are narcissists. So I don't feel like I'm insulting her by saying this. They're all pretty much narcissists, but that's typical narcissist behavior. Kelly's asking her, why'd you take that woman's manager? She's gonna immediately get on the defense. I mean, obviously that's not the way to ask the question anyway.

Mariam (22:57.934)
I don't remember.

Mariam (23:04.75)
Tree? Tree?

Kelli (23:21.86)
but she is immediately gonna get defensive about that because a narcissist will never acknowledge that they did something wrong. She's never gonna acknowledge it.

Mariam (23:30.254)
But I was happy with the question because.

Kelli (23:32.378)
Sure, I mean Kelly came in hot.

Mariam (23:35.148)
Yes, Kelly came in hot with both of

Wendy (23:36.067)
She definitely came in hot. Miriam, I have one question. How do you really feel about Portia?

Mariam (23:41.838)
Listen, I had the nickname of Captain Twirl. I love Kenya. I love Kenya.

Kelli (23:43.544)
You sound like me when I talk about Teresa!

Wendy (23:44.451)
You really do!

it.

you

Kelli (23:54.992)
I love Kenya too. But honestly, I really like, like when they went to lunch, Portia and Kenya, I like this duo. I like them being friends. I like them being on the same side. I don't wanna see those two fight because they're, they come so hard at people. I don't wanna see them fight with each other. It's like, it's almost too intense. So I want them to stay on the same side, please.

Mariam (24:03.085)
Yes.

Mariam (24:07.552)
Me too. no, me neither.

Mariam (24:18.902)
You know, Real Housewives of Atlanta, as it was like before all these additions and stuff, it was the only franchise that was really fun when they were all together. Like look at, like they don't need to be at odds. And this is their downfall. They misread, like because the Bolo situation, everybody was together, right? And even before, whenever they go,

Kelli (24:32.303)
Yes.

Kelli (24:46.042)
That was a great, great episode.

Mariam (24:48.79)
Like it used to be so dark when they would fight. There was, and it was all because of, I'm the queen, you're here, don't, you know, like I wish they never did that because they are funny. They know how to read someone. Like that scene when they were like checking Phaedra's math in her pregnancy. Like it's hysterical.

Kelli (24:58.384)
Yeah.

Kelli (25:02.596)
Yeah.

Wendy (25:11.875)
Thanks.

Mariam (25:13.678)
And they didn't need to fight with Fedra. And it was one of the best scenes ever as well. So I love them together. And this is why I'm so mad at Bravo for, slapping the wrist is the maximum that Kenya deserved. And to be honest with you, knowing Kenya, she always said, don't come for me unless I sent for you. And I heard

Kelli (25:30.938)
I think she'll be back.

Kelli (25:39.234)
Yeah, she did. That's a great line.

Mariam (25:43.63)
like rumors that there's more than one cast, even Shamiah is at odds with Britt. So Britt is getting under everybody's skin. And even when she thought that Kenya was coming for her, she wasn't really. The way she said, it's my second ring was confusing. Yeah.

Wendy (26:02.754)
Right.

Kelli (26:02.926)
Yeah, I, like, listen, Kenya's just, Kenya's just like, she's just, she's just snide sometimes. Like, she's just, whatever. Yeah, she is, and you know, you can't, I don't know.

Mariam (26:12.344)
She's the shade assassin. She is. I know.

Wendy (26:19.073)
Okay, so the next scene we see is Angela and Charles Barkley. They're at their house and Charles is doing all the cooking and Angela is telling us about how she is the business woman and that she is self-made and yeah, and he's getting annoyed. He's like, he doesn't want to hear, cause she's trying to tell her daughter about what had happened at the party and how they were fighting. I mean, he was there and he doesn't want to hear about it. He doesn't want to hear about all this nonsense.

Kelli (26:34.639)
love that.

Wendy (26:49.181)
And I think that he's going to be the perfect house husband. He's just going to stay out of it. that's sometimes that's what they need to just do. Stay out of it.

Kelli (26:56.666)
And other than Jersey, the husbands need to just stay at him.

Wendy (26:59.724)
Yeah.

Mariam (27:00.206)
I like when husbands get involved. I do.

Wendy (27:03.691)
You do? I guess it did.

Kelli (27:04.24)
The New Jersey husbands get involved. The Salt Lake husbands, terrible, terrible. They don't know how to do it. But honestly, Charles Oakley can't do anything wrong in my mind. Ugh.

Wendy (27:08.253)
Ugh, yeah. No.

Mariam (27:09.162)
they don't know how to do it. They don't. Peter Thomas. He wasn't. he can. He's handsome. And I love the way he takes care of his wife. had her best interest. He told her about the wig. my God. That's... He is the number one guy. And I...

Kelli (27:22.7)
Yes, he did. I know. I think he's the number one guy in this group for sure. Yeah.

Wendy (27:30.445)
What about Dennis? You guys already forgot about Dennis?

Mariam (27:33.678)
Well, if I have a choice, I will pick the basketball player. Because he's

Kelli (27:41.504)
Exactly. It depends on what we're talking about. But I feel like Charles is going to win this one. Yeah, he wins everything. All of us.

Mariam (27:48.046)
No, no, Charles, he wins for sure. Yeah.

Wendy (27:52.035)
you

So what about when Sokenya and Portia, they meet up for lunch, right? And they both pull up in their 2022 Rolls Royces. I mean, seriously, talk about like playing it. Those two, just so funny. Yeah, absolutely. But I did not realize that Portia was his fifth wife.

Kelli (28:03.109)
Yeah.

Kelli (28:07.118)
Yeah. The flex, the flex was real.

Mariam (28:08.578)
Yes.

Kelli (28:15.876)
Well, neither did Porsche.

Mariam (28:17.358)
Neither did Borsa!

Kelli (28:19.192)
We expected to know if Portia didn't even know.

Mariam (28:23.64)
Porsche thought she was the fourth wife.

Wendy (28:25.623)
You

Kelli (28:26.256)
And enough. Well, no offense to anybody who's been married four times. Live your life. I'm not judging.

Wendy (28:30.403)
You

Mariam (28:31.534)
No, we're not laughing about how many times he got married, which that could be a red flag sometimes for some people but like for Portia not to know the number that she is

Kelli (28:37.232)
Right.

Wendy (28:38.978)
Yeah.

Wendy (28:44.011)
Yeah, yeah.

Kelli (28:44.964)
mean, come on. I mean, at that point, he might not even remember how many marriages he's had.

Mariam (28:49.708)
Yeah, think, yeah. Well, he's older. I give him a slap for not remembering how many wives he had.

Wendy (28:58.371)
I'll be honest, I didn't realize that Porsche wrote a book.

Kelli (29:01.808)
I didn't either. I might have to get it.

Mariam (29:03.456)
my God. No, the best way to read her book is to pick one of the podcasters roasting her book.

Wendy (29:04.083)
No, you're not gonna get it. No, you're not getting it.

Kelli (29:07.568)
All right.

Kelli (29:16.121)
Okay, I can do that.

Mariam (29:18.272)
Yeah, this is how I read her book, by listening. I watched memes, it was amazing. Work of art, like you laugh, you laugh, yeah. Her book was horrible, like even like, it wasn't like, the sequence wasn't good, like it was all messed up. And clearly she wanted to hop on the wagon of the Me Too movement. Because all of a sudden she remembered,

Wendy (29:21.603)
Yeah.

Kelli (29:22.148)
Hahaha!

Kelli (29:27.757)
that's so funny.

Mariam (29:47.874)
her, which to be honest with you, I don't blame her and that, but I wish she had a ghostwriter, a better ghostwriter to tell the story, to be more impactful. Like what really upsets me about Forche is that she has such a platform. She can do good and she doesn't. And when...

Kelli (30:05.102)
Yeah.

Wendy (30:05.293)
Mmm.

Kelli (30:08.888)
And her family has a lot of history, like a lot of important history her family's a part of. she...

Mariam (30:12.36)
yeah.

All she does, she wants to be the face, but she needs to be the boots on the ground. She has such a big platform and she never used it like the way she could. Yeah.

Kelli (30:17.465)
Yeah.

Wendy (30:23.104)
Yeah.

Kelli (30:25.872)
She could have, yeah.

Wendy (30:29.923)
What happens next? Then we see Kelly and Lamont, her publicist, they go into this new space that she's going to make her next location. And Al, her project manager, shows up and lets her know that they're not gonna be able to open when she's planning on opening and she does not wanna hear that. listen, I don't blame her. I don't blame her.

Kelli (30:50.05)
I don't blame her either. Did I understand this right? Did she say that her only location has closed down? Her soon to be ex-husband closed her only location down. So this...

Wendy (31:00.919)
Well, she opened another location though. So she, he opened, yes, yes, yes. It was the main one, yes.

Mariam (31:00.941)
Yeah.

Kelli (31:04.59)
So there is currently one open? Okay, that's what I was confused about.

Mariam (31:09.742)
But the main one was closed down.

Kelli (31:12.578)
Okay, and now she's opening this other one. So she'll have two open, one which had closed.

Wendy (31:15.459)
And she wants this one to be like the model, like the flagship one for all the rest of them.

Kelli (31:22.873)
Okay.

Mariam (31:23.308)
Yeah, no, I admire her work ethic, but 17 bags for her daughter. That was a lot. wish like, you know, listen, every, love bags, but especially going through what she went through and being self-made like she is. I feel like she is the real deal. This is where I think she should be more thoughtful in what she gives her daughters.

Kelli (31:26.605)
Me too.

Kelli (31:30.798)
That was a lot.

Wendy (31:31.946)
I know.

Kelli (31:37.412)
Mm-hmm.

Mariam (31:52.898)
give something for legacy, give her one Birkin, one bag, one Chanel, but then give her a piece of land or something. I feel like, so that her daughters really learn from her. Maybe that was because of the show she did that. I don't know if she had given her before, but even for the sake of the show, I wish she did that because they can always

Kelli (32:02.394)
Right.

Kelli (32:08.996)
Yeah.

Kelli (32:12.91)
I'm sure it was.

Mariam (32:22.676)
Give us a lesson, you know, they can always teach us something. Yeah.

Kelli (32:24.142)
Right. I'm sure that was for the show.

Wendy (32:28.215)
Yeah, because she even says that she's looking to build generational wealth for her children. And, you know, I think of Giselle because that's what Giselle has, you know, her father, Giselle's father wanted that. And, guess Miriam doesn't like Giselle.

Kelli (32:32.26)
Yes. Yes.

Kelli (32:39.364)
Mm-hmm.

Mariam (32:41.144)
I am no Giselle Pham.

Kelli (32:47.288)
I wasn't either, I loved her this season and I love her without Robin. They better never bring Robin back because I thought I absolutely loved Gisele this season.

Wendy (32:51.971)
You

Mariam (33:01.39)
Listen, Giselle got a little humble pie, but she is one of the most hypocritical housewives ever. Her talk about double standard, they cast a size Monique. I'm not saying I'm not condoning violence. I'm not condoning violence, but for them,

Kelli (33:24.182)
I agree with you.

Mariam (33:29.676)
the judgment fits according to who they like and who they don't. Then they have, fast forward, Mia assaulting Wendy, but they don't like Wendy. So it's okay for Wendy to get a drink thrown at her, a bag thrown at her. It's okay. And they kept, but I'm telling you, karma. And then for Miss Mia to curse her daughters and she says nothing, it takes her a while to absorb that.

Kelli (33:34.832)
Absolutely.

Mariam (33:58.904)
Shame on her! I'm not-

Kelli (33:59.92)
No, I agree with you that was completely hypocritical, because I'm a huge Wendy fan, and I've liked her since the beginning. And when Mia did that, they were in Miami, right? Yeah. And Giselle and Robin completely defended Mia in that moment.

Mariam (34:11.062)
Yes, yes.

Wendy (34:11.928)
Mm-hmm.

Mariam (34:18.754)
Listen, this is like a side or story. Remember Bravo Shade Room? Yes, so they had the gem of Kate Chastain with the horrible Hannah Berner and Giselle and Portia. Well, Portia was still funny there. But what dissolved that quad group

Kelli (34:26.479)
Yes.

Kelli (34:31.888)
Mm-hmm.

Mariam (34:47.702)
was Giselle, she threw shade at Kate in a way that was so uncalled for. She said, well, Kate, they were talking about orgies, I think. She goes, well, let's ask the expert. So Kate, tell us. And then Kate looked at her. She said, excuse me? Why am I an expert? She goes, because of the industry that you work at. She goes, I think you don't understand the industry I was at. I was.

So after that, Kate never came back.

Kelli (35:23.308)
I remember that and I remember Kate basically saying that the, she does it like the housewives thing, like that's not how she rolls. She's not throwing shade and she also felt like they heavily, heavily influenced Hannah. And I think, and she felt like it was, excuse me, all three of them basically coming at her at one point. Hannah was heavily influenced by Portia and Gisele and Gisele and Portia were

Mariam (35:34.198)
Yes.

Mariam (35:46.872)
Henna is a nut job. Henna is a nut job.

Kelli (35:52.944)
playing it up hard.

Mariam (35:55.498)
I could not believe that she was there first of all. I don't know why. Like she wasn't iconic in Summer House.

Kelli (36:02.922)
No, I think she got that because she's a comedian and I thought that they thought that she'd bring comedy to it, which would have been great, but she she went she went the other way with the drama and the shade and it didn't work. The show didn't work. It was a bad mix of people.

Mariam (36:09.102)
I think she has connections. I think she has connections.

Mariam (36:18.104)
She has, it didn't. Hannah, like you can say as much as I hate her, yes, Giselle is the face of Potomac. Portia can be the face. She's an icon of the Rushman Mountains of Atlanta, okay? Kate, nobody knows how to do confessionals like Kate. No one, no housewife. She is witty, funny with that.

Kelli (36:33.178)
Atlanta,

Wendy (36:36.643)
you

Kelli (36:41.378)
Yeah. Right.

Mariam (36:47.266)
interesting bitch face that she has. She tells it. Hannah? Who's Hannah? Why was Hannah there? Yeah, so.

Kelli (36:53.698)
I know. And the thing is, is that at the time they put her on, she did not have a good look on Summerhouse. When she left Summerhouse, she was not a fan fave whatsoever. It looked like she completely set Luke up. Like it just, it just wasn't a good look. So it is interesting timing that she got that show because she was not a fan fave.

Mariam (37:13.631)
Yes.

Mariam (37:19.974)
She sat Sierra up, but that's another day. You guys like, I know we're going everywhere, but I think she sat Sierra up too. Yeah.

Wendy (37:25.558)
Okay

Kelli (37:26.517)
yeah, we'll have to get into that another time.

Wendy (37:29.219)
All right, so next on Atlanta, see Britt and Mike, her husband, we find out that they got married during COVID and Britt is in the insurance industry. She's talking about if they wanna have a baby in the house or in the new house, in this house or in the new house.

Kelli (37:47.632)
and they're gonna plan a wedding ceremony, right?

Wendy (37:50.313)
Well, yes, and Britt's worried about her mom. She wants her mom to have a room in her house. Not right next to their room. And Mike already has a, yes, Mike already has a 15 year old son, so they're going to do IVF because he wants to be a girl dad. What? You're gonna do IVF so that he can be a girl dad?

Mariam (37:50.893)
Yeah.

Kelli (37:56.164)
but not right next to their room.

Mariam (38:00.752)
That's awkward.

Kelli (38:00.954)
To be that very clear.

Kelli (38:14.298)
I'll tell you what, I don't think they're the only ones doing this. I think that this is a new wave for people. And I just want to say this, I want to apologize because last week I said that Mike gave me gay best friend vibes. He does not. I really feel bad that I said that because he so does not give me that vibe anymore. Like I do think that they have a genuine marriage and they're in love. Yeah, so I apologize.

Mariam (38:19.202)
They can pick the sex.

Wendy (38:37.845)
Yeah, I do.

Mariam (38:38.808)
yeah, they do. Yeah, they can pick the sex of the of the embryo before implanting. So yeah.

Kelli (38:43.184)
Yeah, I think people are doing that a lot these days. I agree with you. It's foreign to us because people our age who did IVF weren't doing it for that reason.

Wendy (38:43.597)
Yeah.

Mariam (38:48.053)
Everybody's doing.

Wendy (38:52.459)
Yes, it is. is.

Mariam (38:54.24)
yes.

Wendy (38:57.411)
Did it, right, they were doing it to have a baby because that's the only way they could. Right, right. Then we see Shemeah goes to visit Shadina and Shadina is her daughter's surrogate. That's when we, that was a very tough scene. find out that she was also Candy's surrogate and she has an agency. It's not that just that she's a surrogate, she has a surrogate agency where she finds other surrogates.

Mariam (38:59.373)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (39:01.39)
Right, because they couldn't get pregnant. Right.

Mariam (39:03.459)
Yeah.

Kelli (39:12.57)
That was a tough scene, huh?

Mariam (39:24.452)
With with dr. Jackie. Yeah

Wendy (39:26.859)
Yes, yes. Dr. Jackie recommended her to Candy and then Candy recommended her to Shemeah. You know, she had told us that her daughter was born prematurely, but I didn't realize it was because Shadina was diagnosed with a very aggressive breast cancer when she was 32 weeks pregnant and they had to deliver the baby. And it was very sad to see that whole scene because they're both feeling guilty.

Kelli (39:27.594)
right, right.

Mariam (39:34.38)
Yeah.

Mariam (39:49.538)
Yeah. I was real.

Kelli (39:56.506)
Yeah, yeah, very real.

Wendy (39:56.695)
You know, it was absolutely real. And then to hear that Shamiah just had an ectopic pregnancy on top of all of this, like this poor woman cannot get a break.

Mariam (40:08.534)
Yeah.

Kelli (40:11.746)
No, from what I understand, that is excruciatingly painful.

Wendy (40:15.956)
Yes.

Mariam (40:15.975)
And this is why we say they don't need to produce. I feel like everybody's going through something. It's all about just open up. Shemia, she is the most unassuming person on earth. Like even when Andy was being shady to her on Watch What Happens Live, say, she called you a lap dog. And she goes, when I saw that dog, I want his life. And then she goes, like she's amazing.

Kelli (40:21.496)
Yes.

Wendy (40:21.922)
Yeah.

Kelli (40:29.594)
Mm-hmm.

Mariam (40:44.096)
And she has all the wealth in the world. And this is just to show that, you know, money is not everything because it doesn't matter if you have all the money in the world, still things can happen. That was one of the rawest moments I've ever seen. It was really shocking. I'm so thankful they shared, you know, because people...

Wendy (40:50.05)
Yeah.

Kelli (41:00.922)
Yeah, I agree.

Wendy (41:07.639)
Definitely.

Mariam (41:09.72)
keep saying, I wish I had Shemia's life. They think her life is perfect, which it's so close to, but she also goes through real things which are beyond the power of money.

Kelli (41:14.148)
Right.

Kelli (41:21.232)
Yeah. Right. Right.

Wendy (41:25.219)
Absolutely, but while we're talking about money, what about the elevator to her closet? I mean, have you ever? mean, next level. It's just next level.

Kelli (41:36.409)
next level.

Mariam (41:39.636)
Nobody knew. Nobody knew. Not even Cynthia. Because Cynthia said every housewife going into Shamiah's house were saying, wow. Like nobody knew how wealthy Shamiah was because they were blinded by her sidekickness to Portia.

Kelli (41:49.786)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (41:58.143)
Yeah, but like they say wealth whispers and money talks like I mean she certainly is still whispering because she is so humble and so real and that's what we want in a house. That's what I want a housewife. I you know, I I like real.

Kelli (42:01.53)
That's right.

Mariam (42:02.059)
yes.

Kelli (42:04.944)
She's whispering.

Kelli (42:11.748)
Yes, yes. A cheater husband seem like they're solid, you know, he just seems like a cool guy.

Wendy (42:16.588)
Yeah.

Mariam (42:16.599)
Yes.

Shemia, she became my favorite friend of any show when she read Phaedra for filth. She said, I have a ring. Are you putting money in his box when Apollo was going to jail, was in jail? Yeah, that was, she can hold her own.

Kelli (42:32.159)
yeah.

Kelli (42:35.632)
She's been around a long time, huh?

Wendy (42:37.773)
She has been.

Mariam (42:38.626)
all through, she's close friends with Kandi. even at that moment that they were like at odds, Kandi being attacked and accused by Portia. And Portia, even when, you know, like when she figured what Phaedra was doing, she was like, she was even shutting Shemia down, telling her, just be here, just be here. She was shushing her down because Shemia was telling her all alone, be careful of Phaedra. She's dangerous.

Kelli (42:42.33)
Yeah.

Kelli (43:06.48)
Yeah. Yeah.

Mariam (43:08.615)
And yeah, I love Shemia. my God. I can't believe they waited all this time to give her a peek.

Kelli (43:12.046)
Yeah, me too. I didn't know how I was gonna feel about her having a peach, but I think she's great. I'm so happy they made that choice. I mean, what a way to pivot after Candy leaving, because they had to do something. Yeah, they had to do something, because Candy was a big loss. That's a big loss.

Mariam (43:25.88)
She blew us away. She blew us away.

Mariam (43:32.226)
I think Kandi has something to do with it. Yeah, because she's very close with Andy. She is maybe the only housewife other than LVP that's really left the show because she wanted to, because they have too much going on. And I'm sure she tells him, this person, this person, and I think she told him, it's about time Shemia holds a peach.

Kelli (43:34.913)
good, I'm glad to hear that.

Kelli (43:39.661)
Yeah.

Kelli (43:46.361)
Right.

Kelli (43:53.935)
He listens.

Wendy (43:57.847)
Well, they offered it to Shemeah and Shemeah's husband didn't want it. So it's not that it wasn't offered to her. It was that her husband didn't want it. Right. Yeah.

Kelli (43:57.966)
I you would tell him to get rid of Teresa.

Kelli (44:06.478)
The timing wasn't there. Yeah.

Mariam (44:08.12)
The timing wasn't there. Maybe now they have this new house. They've been in this house for how many years? Maybe five, I don't know. might be mistaken. Four, five.

Wendy (44:17.301)
I think four or five years, it's not been that long. But yeah, I love everything about Shemeah, I totally agree with you guys. Yeah.

Kelli (44:25.861)
Yeah.

Mariam (44:26.218)
Everything. Please don't disappoint us, Shemia. Please. Yeah.

Kelli (44:30.158)
Yeah, yeah, really.

Wendy (44:33.347)
Then we see Kelly and Britt get together with their dogs. Honestly, I really did not need to see that. Just saying.

Kelli (44:40.226)
It was kind of a, it was kind of like a filler scene.

Mariam (44:44.782)
no pun intended.

Wendy (44:46.755)
There is a lot of filler going on between those two.

Kelli (44:54.021)
Ha ha!

Mariam (44:56.864)
Like, my God, you know, this is the problem with fillers. I think when they first do it, they do it right. But then when they keep adding, it keeps adding. They got to a point I cannot, like, I can't differentiate both of them, Britt and Kelly. And even Toya, she shaded them. Like, it's a lot of filler and Botox, a lot. Two of them, shouldn't film together alone.

Kelli (44:57.623)
Yeah, you're right.

Kelli (45:15.93)
belly.

Kelli (45:22.52)
Yeah, and you know...

Yeah, last week they showed a picture of the cover of Kelly's cookbook and it looks nothing like, I honestly think she also got a chin implant. She looks to me like she's got a chin implant as well, which, you know, I have a horrible chin. So if I could afford one, I'd probably do it too. But she just, she looks completely different than what she looked like on the cover of that cookbook.

Mariam (45:25.762)
They need other women.

Wendy (45:25.763)
We need their names.

Mariam (45:32.791)
Yeah.

Mariam (45:38.076)
she got everything.

Mariam (45:41.966)
I don't know.

Mariam (45:52.01)
Yeah, all of them look different. I bumped into a YouTube video of Mia and say yes to the dress.

Wendy (45:59.149)
yeah, I saw that. I saw that.

Kelli (45:59.639)
Oh, saw a clip to that.

Mariam (46:02.702)
She was gorgeous. She was gorgeous. Look what happened to her. Fame. This is why I'm mentioning her. I promise I don't want to go around the world, a bravo world, but like I think it's the same doctor. I think it's the same.

Kelli (46:03.918)
She was gorgeous. She's got the same look that Kelly and Brit have.

Kelli (46:14.672)
It must be. Well, Mia lives in Atlanta half the time, right? So it probably is because of ink.

Mariam (46:21.902)
Yeah, because of ink. Ink is permanent. God.

Wendy (46:26.337)
Yeah.

Kelli (46:29.892)
huh

Wendy (46:32.259)
So that's when we find out when Kelly and Britt are talking that her ex took 500,000 out of her company when she was on a birthday trip in Tulum. And that must be when he closed her store or forced it to close because he took all that money out of it, which is crazy, crazy.

Kelli (46:48.654)
Yeah.

Mariam (46:49.806)
Yeah.

Kelli (46:51.46)
Yeah, that's not.

Mariam (46:53.134)
crazy and it's more, it's very, I feel like it happens more than we know all the time.

Kelli (46:57.85)
Yep. Yep.

Wendy (46:59.499)
yeah. Then we see Drew's having a private training session with her trainer Sanchez and Angela shows up and Shemeah shows up too and they're talking about Ralph and the drama that's going on with Ralph and child support and you know, she doesn't want any drama, but there is drama. mean, there's always, ever since Ralph has been around, there's been drama. So.

Kelli (47:27.952)
Yeah, he was, yeah, he was always a yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Mariam (47:28.18)
yeah, he's he's he's nasty. He is nasty. I can't. Yeah, also no good.

Wendy (47:35.062)
Yeah.

Kelli (47:37.625)
No good.

Wendy (47:39.043)
I thought it was interesting that Angela felt the need to tell Shemeah that she is Porsche's mouthpiece.

Mariam (47:47.022)
of well we love Shamia but Shamia she she was she's really the best friend anyone could ask for

Wendy (47:48.204)
I mean...

Wendy (47:59.971)
But Portia doesn't need a mouthpiece, she has her own mouth.

Kelli (48:01.922)
So I was going to say, Portia does all the fine by herself, but Sheme is doing it.

Mariam (48:03.66)
Well, she doesn't eat, but she has a lot of them.

Wendy (48:06.197)
Yeah. Yeah, she really doesn't need one.

Mariam (48:10.638)
And listen.

She has been one, come on. She has been like, let's not like, yeah, we love Shemia. I'm in love with Shemia. I'm happy she's gonna be the center. She's the glue. Yes, yes, yes. But she gives Portia a lot of slack. And I think it's because Portia to her is like family. They know each other since high school. You know, even before, yeah. So that's the reason.

Kelli (48:15.461)
Yeah.

Wendy (48:33.631)
Yes. No, before high school. She's no- Yes. Yeah. They've-

Kelli (48:34.489)
Yeah.

She said like 15, yeah.

Mariam (48:42.796)
I feel like this is the reason why, but I don't think it's the same from Portia. Portia, she takes advantage of her kindness and she has been her mouthpiece, yeah. I don't fault her for saying what she said because it's her friend, but yeah, she has been, you know? And she's moving the story. I'm glad she did, yeah.

Kelli (49:02.64)
Yeah.

Kelli (49:06.734)
Yeah, yeah. But Britt came in a little hot with all, no that was Angela saying all that, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah that wasn't even Britt, that was Angela.

Wendy (49:13.731)
It was Angela.

Mariam (49:17.708)
Yeah, and Angela, she was holding Drew accountable. She said, because Drew was saying, but Portia didn't tell me. And then she said, no, but she told you at the party, which brings me to this point. I am 100 % sure that Portia already knew that Drew and Dennis are hanging out. She kept that for the cameras.

Kelli (49:21.615)
Yeah.

Kelli (49:28.506)
did tell you.

Kelli (49:42.416)
I agree with you. Drew said, I text you. Portia probably ignored those text messages and was like, we'll handle this when cameras start rolling. Yep. Yes.

Mariam (49:49.23)
He goes, I am gonna drag you on the show. I'm gonna drag you on the show. With me, it's not working. I don't think Drew is doing anything wrong. He's a free man.

Wendy (49:51.363)
Yes.

Kelli (50:03.586)
Yeah, mean, listen, cares? I mean, I really don't think they're dating. I do think they're just making music together. And if that's who approached her to get her music out there, I mean, listen, it's hard enough to make it in that business. And she's been in the business a long time. So she's gonna take any opportunity that comes her way. I'm still just on the fence with her though.

Mariam (50:24.536)
Well, know, Shemia brought a good point. She's saying that Atlanta is the mecca of musical producers. there are way far, like, there's like really successful people that Drew could have teamed up with. This is where I think, where is the mutual interest of Drew and Dennis. Dennis, he wants back on the camera. He wants it.

Kelli (50:35.802)
she starts naming them.

Kelli (50:49.551)
Yeah.

Yeah, he does like to be on the cameras.

Wendy (50:53.473)
Yeah, yes. Right, right.

Mariam (50:54.038)
don't blame him. Why not? Everybody's hustling. It's a big platform and he wasn't able to really take advantage of it because of Porsche family matters and what happened. And if he can, if he finds a window, not many, but it's a must watch. Yeah, it was a flop. Yes, yes.

Wendy (51:07.992)
Yeah.

Kelli (51:08.784)
I'm gonna have to watch that. How many episodes was it?

Wendy (51:12.579)
Kelli (51:13.562)
Was it like a three or four episode thing?

Wendy (51:16.151)
Maybe six.

Kelli (51:17.87)
All right, but something I could watch quickly.

Wendy (51:20.728)
Yeah.

Mariam (51:23.406)
You will see how like, uh, uh, Portia, she, she, it was like, she started up and then she went down and she was, she was horrible. And like that fight, like doesn't matter, like why she's launching on her mom at her mother-in-law. Like, know, you're good with your words, Portia. They stink like, like poison, like you don't need to use your hands, but we know her to

Kelli (51:31.536)
Yeah.

Kelli (51:41.454)
Yeah.

Wendy (51:45.347)
Right.

Kelli (51:49.913)
Right.

Mariam (51:52.376)
to run after people down the alley. Did we forget Jamie? Like that's who she is, really. She pulled Kenya in the reunion stage, like her hair. Yeah, Portia, she's, I'm sorry, she's violent. She is, she has been. I don't know how many anger management she took because we only saw one on the show. And like Candy, she said one session.

Kelli (52:00.218)
Yeah.

Wendy (52:00.44)
Yeah.

Kelli (52:04.683)
on the reunion, yeah.

Kelli (52:17.178)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (52:17.248)
That's right, remember that?

Mariam (52:21.848)
So.

Kelli (52:22.02)
think that they need to put an anger management clause in all of these contracts. All of these ladies need it. Every single housewife. I need it.

Mariam (52:33.506)
Yeah. Well, me too.

Kelli (52:36.24)
Especially when I talk about them.

Mariam (52:39.342)
I was yelling at the TV yesterday, so.

Kelli (52:40.324)
They all need anger management.

Kelli (52:46.372)
I can't even, I put like when I'm cooking dinner or something, I'll just like, if there's nothing on that I like wanna watch, like, cause I can't concentrate, so I can't like watch something that we're gonna recap. So sometimes I'll put like old reruns on of New Jersey Housewives, cause New Jersey's near and dear, like that's my fave, I'm from Jersey, I love Jersey, but I I wind up doing the same thing. I get so furious. And I'm gonna be honest with you, I just watched a rerun.

Mariam (53:11.884)
Yes.

Kelli (53:15.792)
That season six that people say was the worst season, I didn't mind those twins from Colt's Neck. I liked the twins.

Mariam (53:21.874)
I love them. I love them. But we know who didn't love them. Clink clink.

Kelli (53:28.01)
Exactly, exactly. But Teresa and Melissa and Joe Gorga were all getting along. They were all getting along. They were getting along until fucking Louie came along and wrecked everything. He wrecked everything. He got in her ear. He was talking smack about her brother saying, you know, they came on the show behind your back. He is the problem. It drives me crazy.

Wendy (53:28.611)
You

Mariam (53:42.99)
Good.

Mariam (53:52.974)
I don't think he is the problem. I think he complements the problem. Because Teresa, till this day, she cannot forgive Melissa for coming on the show without her. She didn't want her in the show. She didn't want to film them. was, like they were close. Her and Joe Gorgas, they were close. As soon as he came on the show, if they are in a family party, she doesn't want to be near her brother. Teresa.

Kelli (53:57.529)
Yeah, yes.

Kelli (54:03.918)
I know.

Kelli (54:18.81)
Mm-hmm.

I know, but I get so mad and I feel myself getting so angry and I'm like, why am I doing this to myself? What am I doing? It's not even my family for crying out loud. They don't even make me so annoyed.

Mariam (54:29.006)
Yeah, I find myself doing

Wendy (54:29.237)
You

you

Mariam (54:36.13)
And this is where I say the multi-standard, like I laugh when they say, she went to jail on the show. Well, she did something to go to jail and she had no choice. It's not like she committed tax fraud for the show, for the storyline. No, that's not it. And this is where me and all the three huggers, we get.

Wendy (54:36.659)
Stay blue.

Kelli (54:37.444)
Sometimes they do, sometimes they do.

Kelli (54:50.192)
She had no choice.

Kelli (54:57.944)
Right. Right.

Mariam (55:06.189)
friction and I listen I think people will drag this because I cannot stand her and she is very like I think Teresa she is good with Joe when she's alone when she's in need when she was without Juicy Joe no when they got along is because Juicy Joe was being deported after he went to jail this is when she was with her brother

Kelli (55:20.996)
Yes.

Kelli (55:24.943)
Louis!

yeah, yeah.

Kelli (55:31.556)
Yeah, that's true. Yes, that's true.

Mariam (55:35.99)
when she met a con artist, allegedly, yeah, but there's so, like, I feel like, I think Bravo still have her and her good graces with Teresa because that sand castle is bound to fall down. It's just a matter of time. They wanna be there with the camera.

Kelli (55:41.388)
Again.

Kelli (55:58.408)
And Bravo wants to be there with the cameras. That's probably why this show is on pause. They're waiting for this all to crumble so they can go in with their cameras. Yep. Yep. You're absolutely right. That is why they're keeping her around because this woman can blame Bravo for the heartache she's gone through in her life. Because they're right there with the cameras.

Mariam (56:06.647)
It is. The lawsuits, we can't count them. Like it's a lot. Yeah. So.

Mariam (56:23.854)
Well, but she made a lot of money, you know.

Kelli (56:28.451)
yeah. Yeah, but where is it?

Mariam (56:32.078)
Alright.

Wendy (56:32.087)
think Louis spent it. I think he spent it.

Kelli (56:33.264)
I think I always meant it.

Mariam (56:36.59)
I can't believe she didn't do a prenup. my God.

Kelli (56:39.242)
my gosh.

Mariam (56:41.486)
I can't, I can't. It's crazy.

Kelli (56:43.136)
I mean... I can't even.

Wendy (56:45.227)
And to think she did one before she married Juicy Jo.

Kelli (56:48.954)
Yeah, mean, Gia, weren't you gonna go to law school? Like, you didn't, you didn't encourage your mother to do a prenup? Come on. Gia might have been the only one she would've listened to about it.

Mariam (56:49.9)
Yeah.

Mariam (56:59.02)
GSM in Teresa.

Mariam (57:03.914)
Gia is a mini Teresa. She thinks like her mom, same standards, same everything. She's above everybody. The way she's so disrespectful with her godfather, her uncle, like, you know, when she's rolling her eyes. God.

Kelli (57:05.53)
She is.

Kelli (57:15.364)
Yep. No, if my kids ever talk to, and my daughter can be very strong-willed with her mouth and she, know, but if she ever spoke to somebody the way Gia spoke to Joe Gorga, I don't even know what I would do. I would be mortified, mortified.

Mariam (57:32.482)
That was heartbreaking. It was horrible. my God. I was mortified. Like it was terrible that day. You know, it's...

Kelli (57:38.549)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, like that was so disrespectful. I can't even believe that.

Mariam (57:46.656)
Yeah, but just to show Bravo has multi, multi shades of standards. Let's go back to what they're doing now and clap.

Kelli (57:47.821)
Alright, I always do.

Wendy (57:47.991)
Back to Atlanta.

Kelli (57:51.908)
Yeah.

Wendy (57:54.627)
Back to Atlanta. Come on back. So it really actually ends with the Porsche and Dennis together with Pilar at the little play place. And Porsche is talking to Dennis about her working with, about him working with Drew. And Dennis said that he wants to use the platform to, for promotion. And she's

Kelli (57:55.246)
Yeah, back to Atlanta, sorry. I always bring it to New Jersey. I always get New Jersey in there somewhere.

Mariam (57:58.38)
We're gonna keep going.

Yeah.

Kelli (58:21.936)
So basically he wants to be on camera with Drew.

Mariam (58:22.093)
Yes!

Wendy (58:24.705)
Right.

Mariam (58:24.918)
Yeah, I see no... No shame in there.

Wendy (58:29.121)
So we'll have to see what happens, what plays out. mean, I don't know what's gonna happen, but I do know Shemea just dropped a new song recently. Yes, Shemea just dropped a new song, so we should take a listen to it.

Kelli (58:38.215)
Shemeda?

Mariam (58:38.54)
Yes.

Kelli (58:43.471)
Yeah, for sure.

Mariam (58:43.852)
She is a triple threat. She's amazing. She's very talented. Yeah.

Kelli (58:46.926)
Well, was it, yeah, it was last week before her birthday party when she and her mom were in the hallway like talking as she started singing, Rain Rain Go Away.

Wendy (58:55.18)
Yeah.

Mariam (58:55.406)
Yeah, but she has she has a voice like it's not like

Wendy (58:58.113)
Yes.

Kelli (58:58.288)
Yeah, I mean she just started singing acapella of Ring Ring Go Away in like this beautiful, you know...

Mariam (59:03.926)
because she has the money, you know, but she is really truly talented. Yeah. But I hope you guys come around and be like, you know, Dennis on camera proponents, because to be honest with you, it's not up to Portia. If it's.

Kelli (59:08.9)
Yeah, she is.

Kelli (59:22.848)
No, I think he's gonna do it. I mean, it sounds to me like he's gonna do it. He doesn't seem like he backs down to her, that's for sure.

Mariam (59:29.762)
hope he doesn't back down. Why would he? He's supporting their daughter. He has, you know, a hot dog kingdom. This is a big platform. Yeah, let me dabble on music. You know, everybody does it like they're all hustlers. They all try new things all the time. She has no standing to say anything or dictate anything. Dennis owes her nothing.

Kelli (59:41.36)
Yeah.

Mariam (59:59.2)
They're not in a relationship. If they're in a relationship, that's another story. But no, they are co-parents and they're not married. And Drew is an artist and he wants to be a music producer. That's it. So.

Kelli (01:00:00.944)
Right.

Kelli (01:00:05.658)
Right.

Kelli (01:00:17.902)
Yeah. I mean, hopefully they can film and Portia's not brought up, but I think like what Wendy said, it definitely comes down to control. She can't control what they're gonna talk about, what he's gonna say.

Wendy (01:00:20.022)
Yeah.

Mariam (01:00:32.706)
But also, Portia might be pretending not to want this because the more they talk about Drew and Dennis, the less they're gonna talk about the elephant in the room, Simon Gwabadia. So she is very, like even her tears, she was trying to manipulate Dennis. She knows what she's doing.

Kelli (01:00:47.343)
Yeah.

Kelli (01:00:54.799)
Yeah.

Mariam (01:00:58.606)
Even because I'm 100 % sure if she really had a problem, she would have put a kvash on it before cameras went on because she knew that they were hanging around. Like, Atlanta is big and small at the same time. Like, they run in the same circles, these people. So she knew. And in her mind was like, isn't it better for me to pose like they are doing me dirty because he's my baby daddy? And she is all of a sudden the victim.

Kelli (01:01:13.402)
they definitely run in the same server.

Kelli (01:01:25.136)
Mm.

Yeah, she wants to be the victim, for sure.

Mariam (01:01:30.062)
She wants to be the victim. She's been portraying herself as the victim that now she's rising from the ashes. She's a marathoner now. I don't even think she goes to the gym. Like they have procedures. They do procedures there. Do you guys remember Kim Zolziak eating pizza while doing leg exercises? That's how they get their bodies, you know? me too, for that. That's my dream. That's my dream.

Kelli (01:01:33.561)
Yes.

Kelli (01:01:38.532)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (01:01:40.003)
You

Wendy (01:01:44.131)
you

Kelli (01:01:45.2)
eating the pizza

I wish I had money, because that's exactly what I would do. That's exactly what I would do. Is that all you had for Atlanta? Because I have a question. What are your takes on JT and Vanita on Southern Charm? Because this is getting very interesting. Like his girlfriend has gone on social media calling bullshit that Vanita did not know he had a girlfriend.

Wendy (01:01:52.727)
I'm sorry.

Wendy (01:02:01.345)
Yeah, that's all I have.

Mariam (01:02:20.948)
Even before the girlfriend came, I have lots of thoughts, because I'm revolution. So I watch that closely. Venita, she tried to say that producers, they changed the sequence of events, that the Branzino dinner happened after the Bahamas. But even when in her talking head in the Bahamas, she said that when she struggled over him,

Kelli (01:02:36.898)
Yes, she did say that.

Kelli (01:02:42.074)
Bahamas, right, right.

Mariam (01:02:50.06)
He told her, have a girlfriend. So the girl knew, Vanita is looking very bad. Not a good look at all. She, I don't know if she's doing this because she's really into him or if it's because of a storyline. Let's face it. There's no real connection between her and anybody from the cast. I think when she was brought on.

Kelli (01:02:51.769)
Right.

Kelli (01:02:56.652)
It's not a good look.

Kelli (01:03:14.81)
mean, she's very good friends with Leva, but Leva's not on a lot. And I think she's very good friends with Madison, but Madison's got the whole trying to get pregnant, husband may have cancer, God forbid. So you're right. I think it's been hard for Vanita to kind of find her way. So yeah, I think she was maybe coming on strong with this to have something.

Mariam (01:03:19.349)
Exactly.

Mariam (01:03:33.164)
Yes.

Mariam (01:03:38.776)
Well, Venida came to the forefront when there was that controversy about Catherine Dennis and what she said online. You know, this is what she wasn't even a friend of. She was a friend of a friend. So this is how, and they wanted the cast to be diverse, to be honest with you, Southern Charm, we know it's not diverse. So this is why like she will, and I don't think she has, maybe she developed.

Kelli (01:03:45.58)
Well, yeah, yeah, of course.

Kelli (01:03:51.887)
Right.

Kelli (01:03:56.472)
Yes.

Mariam (01:04:07.992)
friendships with the co-workers But leave that all aside. I love her. She's beautiful. She's trendy. She's everything but For her now to say that to blame JT that he yeah, maybe he led her on to thinking it was mutual but They he posted something today showing that his girlfriend she was She was she made a scene in the season

Kelli (01:04:15.48)
for sure.

Wendy (01:04:17.347)
Hmm.

Mariam (01:04:38.156)
when he was looking at the portrait that his mom and someone else, that person, the other lady in the room is his girlfriend. So the mom knows, it's like maybe he didn't tell the whole cast that he had a girlfriend. Maybe they were not really girlfriend and boyfriend then, because you know, maybe it takes time for them to say they're exclusive. yes, and I think he goes, okay, so what? Let me be...

Kelli (01:04:46.904)
Okay.

Kelli (01:04:59.31)
Yeah, right, right. They could have been in the talking stage for months like kids these days.

Mariam (01:05:08.246)
flirtatious with Venita, but then she was gunning in and she said it, why will I wait for a guy to ask me out? I will ask him out. He comes to her house on dinner with empty handed. Where are his Southern manners? He didn't bring dessert. He didn't bring her flour. He came, he ate her dinner, drank her liquor and said, sorry, I have a girlfriend.

Kelli (01:05:22.202)
Yes.

Yes.

Kelli (01:05:33.07)
I have a girlfriend.

Mariam (01:05:34.69)
And now she's saying, he sends all these long texts. Well, she is texting him. Like she didn't take no for no. Venita, I am so disappointed. I...

Kelli (01:05:46.384)
Well, the reason I bring it up is because I don't know if you guys saw this, but somebody's now coming out and saying that they're Molly's boyfriend. And Molly had a boyfriend the whole time she was filming. And here she was pretending that she was single and coming, not coming onto Shep, but showing interest in Shep. And the guy basically says, she cheated on me because I just saw that she's gonna kiss Shep this season.

Mariam (01:05:59.925)
I don't doubt it.

Mariam (01:06:14.126)
Well.

Wendy (01:06:14.435)
Kelli (01:06:14.638)
and she said she'd been celibate for a year. Listen, this guy could be full of shit too. I just thought that it was very interesting that now we have two people on the show who allegedly have significant others that they weren't talking about. mean, JT's saying it now, but he wasn't. He wasn't in the beginning.

Mariam (01:06:31.67)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, maybe he's, you know, you never know, like it's hard to bring like his girlfriend is not part of the cast. Just think about it. Like I'm going to be devil's advocate. Listen, JT has 99 problems. You know, he does. I'm not saying he is. He's far from perfect, but just think about his a new relationship. She's not part of the cast. Maybe, you know, and then, okay, let's have a flirtatious thing, but

Kelli (01:06:43.802)
Mm-hmm.

Mariam (01:07:01.002)
When Bush come to shove, he stopped her in her tracks, period. And to be honest with you, that's good. That's a good quality because so many would have went all in, you know, for sure. Not too many men would have stopped. So this is why I'm saying this is not one of his 99 problems. He has 99 problems. This is not one of them. But I think it's the whole vibe of the show. And speaking of Molly,

Kelli (01:07:11.023)
Yeah.

for sure. Not too many men would have stopped her.

Kelli (01:07:22.81)
Bye.

Mariam (01:07:30.218)
Even if Molly had a boyfriend, Molly is not the one going after them. It's when they, it's first was Madison telling her, you and Whitney, they're pushing her and she's just playing along. But you can see that she's, she's not being aggressive. She is, you know, so even if that's the truth,

Kelli (01:07:45.861)
Yeah.

Mariam (01:07:58.988)
that she has a boyfriend. I don't think like that's the shocking because she wasn't playing the part that she's all in into. She's moving from one to other. And she even said like, feels like, you know, fifth grade, everybody's like pushing me towards Shep. Which can we talk about Shep?

Kelli (01:08:07.343)
Right.

Kelli (01:08:14.223)
Yeah.

Kelli (01:08:17.808)
Yeah, who's pushing their friend towards Shep is what I want to know.

Mariam (01:08:23.342)
Not Frank, Taylor. Well, but then.

Kelli (01:08:24.752)
That's not a friend, man. He's great for TV, but I don't ever want any of my friends to date him, ever.

Wendy (01:08:24.821)
Not a friend. Not a friend.

Mariam (01:08:34.37)
Shep, he was trying all the time to put words in Sienna's mouth, justice for Sienna, period, end of story. Because everybody was saying she's thirsty, now they're trying to portray her as this gold digger. Hello, if she was thirsty, well, all of them are. Look what they do for a living. But then again, she would have played along. She was trying to avoid Shep like the plague.

He wanted to have a conversation with her on camera. And he kept saying, but it was love. You have to admit that. She goes, no, it was a good time. Like he kept, it was like, it really felt cringy, but to the point like, it's like someone trying to groom someone. She's over age, you know, but the way he was like trying to put words in her mouth and it's terrible.

Kelli (01:09:15.472)
Cringy.

Kelli (01:09:22.777)
I think

Kelli (01:09:30.586)
think that Jeff has gotten such a bad rap, rightfully so, and justified for being a player and not a good boyfriend to Taylor. He just looked horrible that he wanted this to be his redemption season. He wanted to get sympathy and he orchestrated this whole thing. And Sienna was like, fuck yeah, I'll be on, I'll be along for the ride. I'll be on the show. Whether she knew it, like whether they had a conversation or not,

Mariam (01:09:51.179)
yeah, once.

He wanted his trophy!

Kelli (01:10:00.14)
I think he wanted to be the victim this season. He wanted that sympathy from the viewers. And she was like, okay.

Mariam (01:10:08.94)
I think the sympathy card came along when it really went down. No way on earth he will take like shut. His ego is up there. He never worked a day in his life. Like this is his work, being on a TV show. He is a trust fund baby. He keeps traveling. Like just the day that he...

Kelli (01:10:21.187)
No.

Kelli (01:10:25.668)
He's a trust fund paper.

Mariam (01:10:33.818)
When we thought that he was proposing to Taylor and he was proposing her to travel with him, she leaves her job like Taylor, Taylor, Taylor, Taylor. And like, I can't. he is like, he wanted his trophy girlfriend. He would never have went to length. I don't ever think he would have took her to the altar. They are from two different backgrounds.

Kelli (01:10:38.34)
Yeah.

Kelli (01:11:00.782)
No, I don't either. I don't think he's ever gonna get married, Chep. And quite honestly, I don't think he should. And Whitney should definitely not get married. Whitney shouldn't get married, but Whitney better have a kid because who is gonna inherit all of that when something happens to them? Whitney is 60 years old. Whitney is 60 years old or nearing 60. I'm not, I'm gonna look it up right now.

Mariam (01:11:07.148)
Well, I don't think that's the reason with Sienna. With Sienna.

Mariam (01:11:16.279)
Nobody.

Mariam (01:11:20.568)
I think...

Wendy (01:11:23.052)
Stop it.

Mariam (01:11:24.91)
I'm not gonna say it, I think he has hidden skeletons.

Wendy (01:11:32.227)
You think?

Kelli (01:11:37.683)
agreed?

Mariam (01:11:37.964)
because he could have bought the wife just for the face of it. He doesn't even want to do that.

Kelli (01:11:42.512)
56 years old he's 56 years old so he's not sexy. I'm sorry

Mariam (01:11:46.53)
He's a drunk. They're all alcoholics, let's face it, all of them in different variations.

Kelli (01:11:52.408)
I mean, how old's Shep? Shep's in his 40s, right?

Wendy (01:11:56.173)
Yeah, he went to school with Teddy.

Mariam (01:11:56.649)
Late 40s.

Kelli (01:11:58.639)
Ready.

Mariam (01:11:59.662)
Yeah, I think 47 he must be 47 he's in late 40s still living like Peter Pan life All of them all of them the one that was trying to change blew up in his face

Wendy (01:12:07.075)
They're all Peter Pan, every one of them.

Kelli (01:12:07.184)
Total Peter Pan, 44.

Kelli (01:12:13.712)
I mean, listen, Whitney better have a kid though, because who the hell is gonna inherit all this?

Mariam (01:12:20.802)
Yeah, I don't think anyone will. That's gonna he's gonna burn that down. It's gonna go somewhere. I don't know. With these the lost cause. I don't think so. If he had the kid.

Wendy (01:12:31.021)
I was to say he doesn't have a kid anyway out there.

Kelli (01:12:33.818)
Good point. don't, because Patricia always talks about being a grandma and having grandkids. But you know, maybe she doesn't know. she doesn't know.

Mariam (01:12:40.15)
Yeah, I think that ship has sailed.

Because let's face it, if he wants to marry someone, like look at his age, he's gonna look at the very young, like in early 20s, like I don't, it's, I don't even like, he is the producer. He makes sure he's always in the background. Yeah, he's in the background. He doesn't want the shine, the light shining in his life. He.

Wendy (01:12:44.631)
Well, yeah.

Kelli (01:12:51.596)
yeah.

Kelli (01:12:58.574)
yeah, he started, he created the show.

Kelli (01:13:06.064)
He has never been at one reunion for that show. Not one.

Mariam (01:13:10.35)
Yeah, he's the friend of.

Wendy (01:13:11.947)
Why would he? He doesn't want to be in the spotlight.

Kelli (01:13:16.312)
Right. He should be at this year's reunion after what he was saying when he was drunk. Right. When he was saying to Shep, you're not rich enough for her.

Mariam (01:13:16.578)
He doesn't want to answer to anything.

Mariam (01:13:23.666)
my god.

Well, but that's true. Maybe. She was like...

Wendy (01:13:30.723)
I don't know if that's true. Listen, she's Miss Bahamas. I don't think he totally lied about the whole thing that she, you know, went into his DMs. He went into hers. I mean,

Kelli (01:13:41.231)
Yeah.

Mariam (01:13:41.302)
Yes. No, but this is why they met in Raya. You know, Raya, it's only the top here, money, people in there, and only by invitation they joined. So I think she's running with ballers and then they have to get invited and then approved. And I think like a chef, he portrays himself to be rich, but he's stingy. Like, why wouldn't he pay for

Wendy (01:13:45.141)
Yeah, yes. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (01:13:48.388)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (01:13:53.188)
Yeah, you have to get approved.

Wendy (01:14:05.549)
Yeah.

Kelli (01:14:07.056)
Well, listen, he is a trust fund baby, but he could be on an allowance from his parents. He really could, even though he's 44 years old, he didn't make that money, his parents made that money, so they might be controlling his allocation. Yeah.

Mariam (01:14:12.384)
Yes, exactly.

Mariam (01:14:21.598)
much he can take. So he's been taking drips because they know if he gets everything in a lump sum, he will burn it down. Yes, you're right. And this is where like, why wouldn't he pay for a ticket from the Bahamas to Charleston? Like, excuse me? Like, if you're that rich, like, why not? And, you know, when he told Taylor to travel with him, like, that was so irresponsible. He was making her

Kelli (01:14:29.135)
Right.

Mariam (01:14:51.01)
quit her job, her livelihood. And she thought that they were end game and it blew up in her face. She should have never done that. And you know, this is where women should say, hey, listen, you want me to travel with you in the world? This is how much I make. Like I need the livelihood. Yeah. Are you going to give me my salary? I can see my job just to be your companion. And I don't think

Kelli (01:14:52.463)
Yeah.

Kelli (01:15:06.638)
Right, right. I can't just leave my job, right.

Wendy (01:15:10.411)
Right. Right.

Kelli (01:15:12.536)
Right. You're not, you're not giving me, like, you're not promising me anything. You're not, you know.

Wendy (01:15:17.239)
Right.

Mariam (01:15:17.324)
Yeah, this is where women sell themselves so freaking short. Like, why?

Kelli (01:15:22.798)
Right. That's why the two, Angela and Britt and Kelly on Atlanta, like these are self-made women. I love that. I mean, that's, mean, Angela, you just fucking hit the jackpot by marrying Charles Oakley. God bless you. But self-made women.

Mariam (01:15:33.102)
I love that. I love that about them.

Mariam (01:15:42.904)
Self-made woman, yeah.

Wendy (01:15:42.935)
Yeah, no, I love that. And even Candy when she was on.

Kelli (01:15:46.932)
Absolutely. Candy was like one of the first to, mean, listen, Vicki Gunvalson started all this and she did her thing with her insurance. But Candy definitely came into Atlanta and it was like, like she was like one of the first Atlanta housewives that didn't just marry rich.

Mariam (01:15:55.682)
Yeah, she did, yeah.

Mariam (01:16:02.889)
Change the game.

Wendy (01:16:05.473)
Right.

Mariam (01:16:06.542)
She is like Warren White. She is.

Kelli (01:16:08.75)
Yeah, and was when, like when she first came on, I'm like, she's talking about TLC and who else?

Wendy (01:16:09.239)
Yeah.

Mariam (01:16:17.154)
Her songs, like she has Ed Sheeran's, like she wrote, she wrote Ed Sheeran's, she's still like till now, she makes hits. Shape of You, she wrote that song. So every time you hear, you listen to Shape of You, Ed Sheeran's song, she is ch-ching, money. And now she's trying to get a Tony. She's, she really like, I am happy for her because she's focusing on her goal.

Kelli (01:16:20.025)
destiny's child, like she.

Kelli (01:16:26.074)
Yeah.

Kelli (01:16:33.146)
Yeah.

Yeah, God bless her, man. Yeah, I'm-

Look at it.

Kelli (01:16:46.275)
Mm-hmm.

Mariam (01:16:46.42)
beyond Atlanta. Atlanta really I feel like used to pull her back, you know, and

Kelli (01:16:50.84)
Yeah, because she was never messy candy. never wanted to be. Remember her first season when NeNe came hard at her somewhere and she was like, you better back off.

Mariam (01:16:58.583)
Yes.

Mariam (01:17:02.2)
because Nini was intimidated with her power.

Kelli (01:17:04.368)
For sure, and her money, for sure. NeNe probably did not like Candy coming on the scene.

Wendy (01:17:06.135)
Definitely, definitely.

Mariam (01:17:08.835)
Yeah.

Mariam (01:17:12.814)
She doesn't like anybody coming with accolades. She didn't like when Kenya came to the show because she's Miss USA, you know? And she's been in movies. Like talk all you want about Kenya. Kenya, she's been something before the show, you know? And Candy, she was a powerhouse. Like she makes hits, you know? She's talented, she's kind.

Kelli (01:17:18.626)
Right. Right.

Kelli (01:17:29.582)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (01:17:34.48)
Sure.

Wendy (01:17:37.485)
Yes.

Mariam (01:17:40.674)
She employs all her family. She treats them as equal, very unlike Portia. She never like when Candy and the Gang, I love that show. It was really funny and messy. It was like a sitcom, but it was a real life sitcom.

Kelli (01:17:42.937)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (01:17:57.592)
be honest with you, I couldn't watch it because I cannot stand her mother.

Mariam (01:18:03.15)
Yeah, her mom, yeah, she's, you put her aunts, they're so funny.

Kelli (01:18:04.88)
I just can't stand her mother. I thought her mother was so terrible to Todd and her mother was terrible to Todd's mother. Todd's mother was sweet. And I just felt like Mama Joyce was so rude to her. I couldn't get past it. Absolutely. And poor Todd's mom done passed away and you know, she was never kind to her.

Mariam (01:18:14.05)
Yo, yeah.

Mariam (01:18:20.096)
Yeah, she's eating crow because they're still together. They are end game. They're end game.

Mariam (01:18:31.022)
Yeah, no, but the show, was like they had so many characters. It was really funny. I'm so mad that they didn't give it like, sometimes there are shows like Southern Hospitality, like it picked up in the third season really. So gotta give it time, but they were funny. They were really funny and she treated them as equal and they were showing the good, the bad and the ugly. She wasn't masking anything and this is what you want in a show, you know?

Kelli (01:18:44.344)
Yes. Yeah, you gotta give it time.

Kelli (01:18:49.668)
Yeah.

Kelli (01:18:55.727)
Right.

Mariam (01:19:00.984)
The restaurant business is hard. It's not easy.

Kelli (01:19:03.045)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (01:19:03.499)
It's closed. That old lady gang is closed too. Yeah, it's closed.

Kelli (01:19:06.306)
Is it? It's done?

Mariam (01:19:08.095)
I don't know if it's closed but then again she doesn't have time for that.

Kelli (01:19:12.528)
She doesn't have time for that now, yeah. She's on Broadway.

Wendy (01:19:14.483)
No, she doesn't. She doesn't.

Mariam (01:19:16.352)
It's with Denzel Washington. Look at the name she's working with right now. It's, wow, I wish the cameras were following her as a friend of, like she could be kept as a friend of. That shows up, that she invites them for a trip to New York City for the opening of the play or just to watch a rehearsal.

Kelli (01:19:21.232)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (01:19:22.648)
Yeah.

Kelli (01:19:29.316)
You're absolutely right.

Wendy (01:19:36.493)
He probably didn't, she didn't want it. I'm sure she didn't want it. Like she didn't want to have to.

Kelli (01:19:40.09)
Well, Phaedra came back.

Mariam (01:19:40.898)
Well, we know why.

Wendy (01:19:43.553)
Yeah. But Phaedra wasn't coming back until they put Kenya on pause. That's the only reason Phaedra came back is because Candy wasn't there. Yeah, Phaedra wasn't coming back. No, she, we haven't seen her yet. We're not going to see her until Kenya goes on pause. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Mariam (01:19:43.726)
because fate.

Kelli (01:19:50.401)
really? I didn't know that!

Mariam (01:19:53.804)
Yes.

Kelli (01:20:00.492)
I did not know that.

Mariam (01:20:03.21)
That's true, but Kandi has instincts. The relationship between Phaedra and the network, still thriving. Well, she got the revival in Traders, when she came in Traders. That was her lifeline. She grabbed it, she was funny, she was everything. And she was the only housewife, I did. She was the only housewife that was

Wendy (01:20:12.59)
yeah, because she came on married to medicine.

Kelli (01:20:19.918)
Yes, you did.

Wendy (01:20:20.331)
Yes.

Kelli (01:20:25.402)
for sure. I didn't watch it,

Mariam (01:20:32.494)
said to be a traitor. The only way for you to really win something in the show or thrive in the show is to be a traitor because you can kill. What they did after Phaedra, they started killing the housewives like this last season of Traders. The first one was Dorinda, then it was Chanel Ayan. They went housewife after housewife. The only one that survived was Dolores, not for her accolades. She voted eight times out of ten.

Wrong. Yeah.

Wendy (01:21:02.103)
Wrong. Yes, she did. She did. No, she was unfaithful.

Kelli (01:21:05.006)
Was she a traitor on the show, Dolores?

Mariam (01:21:07.746)
was faithful. She was a faithful. Yeah, the faithfuls they want. So this is when she came back and they put her in Married to Medicine. Such an odd like, you know, place.

Kelli (01:21:18.936)
Yeah, I mean, even I don't watch the show, but Simone, was it Simone who was on Watch What Happens Live? She's like, she didn't, know, she just, cousin Gina loves the show. Cousin Gina loved Married to Medicine. We should give you and cousin Gina your own show so you can recap. We'll just sit here and listen.

Mariam (01:21:27.81)
I do watch the show. God.

Wendy (01:21:32.547)
Cousin Gina does love it.

Mariam (01:21:34.808)
I used to love Mary to medicine before.

Wendy (01:21:38.62)
you

Mariam (01:21:39.222)
Yeah.

Ever since they brought Heavenly, the show became violent. Verbally, and yeah, she goes low. Well, yeah, yeah. She does the dirty work of Dr. Jekyll and Hyde, like Dr. Jackie, she's evil. God, she had such a good edit the first seasons.

Kelli (01:21:47.28)
well that's not good. They're doctors for crying out loud.

Kelli (01:21:58.995)
Really?

Mariam (01:22:10.956)
But then when, I don't know what happened, like when she had the problem with Simone because of, no, I remember Mariah. Mariah was pleading because she was accused of doing drugs and she did that hair test. Like there is a hair test that like unequivocally and she wanted, she begged Dr. Jackie to read.

Kelli (01:22:34.512)
Mm-hmm.

Mariam (01:22:40.034)
She wouldn't read the test results to give validation to Mariah to clear her name. This is when wow, she is, that is, and Mariah, she's the creator of the show. Now you see the credits, Mariah's name isn't there, but they, but I don't think she's making the money that she's supposed to make. They don't cast her, they took her out and it was like, because she enabled.

Kelli (01:22:48.122)
That's terrible.

Wendy (01:22:49.387)
That is terrible.

Mariam (01:23:09.646)
and then Quad became a fan favorite. She was never my favorite. She was my favorite when she wasn't good, graces with Mariah. Because they were good, they were playing together. When they started like fighting with each other, this is when all hell broke loose in that show. And Dr. Jackie, she's horrible, no. Heavenly does her dirty work. She enables Heavenly, but she holds everybody else to a different standard. She wants to play as if like she is the peacemaker. She's not, she's not.

Well, the show, yeah, I feel like they need to take Jackie out, bring other doctors maybe. I like when they do their doctor work in the communities, because this is where like, you know, this is why the show was made of. And to showcase like there are black doctors in Atlanta doing the work for other privileged, you know, even the men, you know, I love the men of Merit Medicine. I really do.

Kelli (01:23:45.178)
Yeah.

Kelli (01:23:55.322)
Yeah.

Wendy (01:23:55.616)
Right.

Kelli (01:23:58.99)
Yeah, female, women.

Mariam (01:24:07.596)
because they play part in the show, they're supporting characters, but when they come to the reunion, that's one of my favorite parts because they have conflict and resolution. They never leave, like even now King, he is open to talking to Dr. Gregg, but Quad is not open to having them around. And she's telling the group, you guys can lose me.

And I hope they lose her. Like she's not married to Madison. I would love to see Quad in Atlanta. I really would. She would be a perfect fit right now for Atlanta. Bring her to Atlanta and let her go after Phaedra over there. You know? yeah. So.

Kelli (01:24:41.168)
Mmm.

Kelli (01:24:45.348)
Yeah.

Kelli (01:24:51.022)
yeah.

Wendy (01:24:51.619)
OK. OK, so we've talked about a lot of Bravo here.

Kelli (01:24:57.038)
A lot. But yeah, this is probably the longest podcast we've ever had, or at least in a very long time. No, that's good. We we covered a lot.

Mariam (01:25:01.014)
I am sorry. It's my fault. Like when you, what is her name, Britt, the insurance owner? I was gonna say she's the black Vicky Govelton. Yeah. I only talk Bravo.

Wendy (01:25:01.315)
It's all good. We talked about it.

Kelli (01:25:10.351)
Yeah.

Wendy (01:25:11.032)
Yeah.

Kelli (01:25:14.548)
For sure, for sure. I loved that. I loved that the three new editions are self-made women. Amazing.

Wendy (01:25:24.545)
I do too. I do too.

Mariam (01:25:24.974)
Okay, since we did like bravo around the world, we cannot not say anything about Salt Lake City.

Can we say something about Salt Lake? I know they're over. But do you guys think? Yeah. Okay, okay, yeah.

Kelli (01:25:34.532)
Well...

Wendy (01:25:37.933)
But wait, well wait, but you know what? We'll save it for our next episode. Okay, we'll save it. Next episode, we'll talk about Salt Lake in addition to Atlanta. Just because I don't, you know, we're almost at an hour and a half. It's okay. It's okay. It's all right.

Kelli (01:25:42.384)
All right, all right, let's do that.

Mariam (01:25:51.586)
I don't know how long I can talk bravo

Kelli (01:25:51.77)
We are at an hour and a half.

Kelli (01:25:59.984)
Wendy (01:26:00.061)
I'm going to thank our listeners for watching and listening. Please give us five star reviews and let us know what else you want us to talk about because I mean, Miriam's here to talk about everything Bravo all the time. So put it in the comments, let us know. Until next time, bye.

Mariam (01:26:12.973)
Yes.

Kelli (01:26:14.266)
Yep. Bye.

Mariam (01:26:17.336)
Bye.