Friendship, Loyalty and Betrayals-Southern Hospitality- Season 3 Recap

Friendship, Loyalty and Betrayals-Southern Hospitality- Season 3 Recap

 
In this episode, the hosts discuss the latest season of Southern Hospitality, focusing on the dynamics of relationships, friendships, and the drama that unfolds during prom. They explore the characters' growth, the challenges they face, and the impact of their decisions on one another. The conversation highlights the importance of support systems and personal development amidst the chaos of reality TV. In this engaging conversation, the hosts delve into various themes surrounding personal relationships, confidence, and the complexities of reality TV. They discuss the impact of controversies in the hospitality industry, the dynamics of friendships, and the effects of secrets on relationships. The conversation also touches on the role of personal growth in navigating relationships, the influence of fashion and identity in reality TV, and the aftermath of breakups. Through their insights, the hosts explore the intricate web of emotions and experiences that shape the lives of those in the spotlight. In this conversation, the hosts discuss various themes surrounding relationships, personal growth, and the dynamics of reality television. They explore the complexities of breakups, the impact of public perception on personal relationships, and the importance of mental health. The discussion also touches on the challenges of identity and acceptance, particularly in the context of LGBTQ+ relationships, and emphasizes the need for independence and self-discovery. The hosts express their anticipation for future seasons of reality shows and the evolving dynamics within them.

Takeaways

The importance of supportive friendships in challenging times.
Emmy's struggle with her identity and relationship expectations.
The impact of external pressures on personal relationships.
Character growth is often overshadowed by drama in reality TV.
The significance of LGBTQ representation in media.
Navigating young adulthood and career aspirations.
The complexity of loyalty among friends in competitive environments.
Understanding the consequences of public scrutiny on personal lives.
The role of humor in diffusing tense situations.
The need for self-reflection and personal growth in relationships. Confidence can significantly impact personal relationships.
Controversies in the hospitality industry can have far-reaching effects.
Reality TV often reveals the complexities of friendships and relationships.
Secrets can strain friendships and lead to misunderstandings.
The impact of cheating allegations can be profound on relationships.
Personal growth is essential for healthy relationships.
Fashion and identity play a crucial role in how individuals are perceived in reality TV.
Breakups can be mutual, but perceptions may differ between partners.
Navigating relationships requires open communication and honesty.
The future of relationships in reality TV remains uncertain, influenced by personal and public pressures. He treated me well, like it was great, it was a great relationship.
Kyle is just so bitter and jealous.
People just don't like your product.
I'm not paying $30 for four drinks.
She looks like she's on a different planet.
She needs to go out and flourish.
You should never put all your eggs in someone else's basket.
I think she's afraid if she comes out, her dad's gonna take all of that away.
This was a great season.
I think Lisa would go back on.

Transcript

Wendy (00:01.032)
welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy and today we have a special guest all the way from Florida, Olivia. Hello Olivia!

Kelli (00:03.482)
I'm Kelly.

Kelli (00:08.807)
Mm-hmm.

Bye, Olivia.

Olivia (00:11.66)
Hi guys, thank you for having me.

Wendy (00:14.05)
Thank you for joining us. We are talking about Southern Hospitality, season three, episode 10, and the reunion. And we're just gonna kind of give you the whole season at once, to be honest with you. So I'm gonna jump in. We start out with one week before the prom. Emmy is planning the prom, and three days before the prom, the girls are shopping for the prom, and then two days before the prom,

Kelli (00:14.321)
Thank you for being on.

Wendy (00:43.158)
Michaels finally asks Preston. That was cute. What do you think of Michaels? What are your thoughts on him as a new a newbie? Yeah.

Kelli (00:46.501)
was cute.

Olivia (00:53.527)
I love him. I like want to be his friend. Like he is just so, I just love the energy he brings. Like I honestly just, and I thought his like story and everything, like it just like really touched me and stuff like that. So I think he's really cool. Yeah.

Kelli (01:06.439)
totally agree. And I'm glad he, like how brave of him to tell his story. And I'm so glad he did. his stepfather being on and being so supportive. Like to me, you know, unfortunately there are gay, know, young gay people out there who don't have supportive families, but he showed that, you know, it might not be your first generation family, but if you, hopefully there's somebody else you could reach out beyond that, that would be supportive for you.

Wendy (01:08.376)
Yeah.

Wendy (01:30.625)
Right.

Wendy (01:36.461)
Yeah.

Olivia (01:36.564)
Yeah, I also love that he also has the cast too, to just back him up with that. I just thought he brought, yeah, it was really nice to see that on live TV.

Kelli (01:41.329)
Yeah.

Kelli (01:47.099)
Yeah, for sure.

Wendy (01:48.034)
I thought, mean, you are the same age as him and how mature is he to be running that place, to be the assistant general manager? Like, that's amazing. Can you imagine running that place?

Olivia (02:00.34)
Absolutely not. I would lose my mind.

Kelli (02:01.551)
Wow. Yeah, right. I couldn't have 50, quite honestly. But he has so many things that are for a parent to be proud of.

Wendy (02:10.318)
And he's going to school. They said he's going to school too.

Kelli (02:11.685)
Right, he's a full-time student and manages Republic. How could you not be so overly proud of your son for these accomplishments? Yeah.

Wendy (02:19.616)
Right, exactly.

Exactly. Yeah. So then we see one day before the prime, Matty is sitting on the balcony and Joe shows up with his Chevy SS and his radio. And what movie was that from, Kel?

Olivia (02:23.165)
It's very inspiring.

Wendy (02:40.14)
Say anything. And he asks her to the prom. Have you seen that movie, Say Anything? It's Andrew, who does it? Andrew, no, who does it? Yeah, I was gonna say it's not Andrew. It's John Q. Yeah, it's an oldie. Yes, yes, yeah.

Olivia (02:46.375)
I have not.

Kelli (02:50.607)
I was just trying, John Cusack.

It's like a brat pack movie.

Olivia (02:57.288)
like an 80s kind of almost like can't find me love. Yeah, okay. Yeah, that's one of my favorites. Love Patrick Dempsey.

Kelli (02:58.745)
Yep. Yep. that's my favorite. That's my favorite rom-com. Yeah. Yep.

Wendy (03:08.43)
so Emmy's expecting this prom to be everything she ever expected. And I just feel so bad for Emmy that she is so delusional. I, it breaks my heart.

Kelli (03:22.275)
You know how I feel. I'm probably the only one in America who was rooting for Will and Emmy.

Olivia (03:28.819)
I was too. I was, I was.

Kelli (03:29.955)
I really am. And listen, I'm not saying that he didn't cheat on her. I'm really not saying that, but I just want to see them succeed. Cause I didn't like when the three guys were golfing and he was like, I mean, he clearly didn't word it that way. Like, well, you know, I guess, you know, I'll marry her now to pay her back. Like obviously, but you could tell like he meant like she's always been there for me and like I'm ready for that. I'm ready to settle down.

And they were like, that's so unromantic. Like, all right, Joe, you're ready to like impregnate Maddie and she, you know, just to stop her from DJing all over the country. So like talk about one extreme to the other. I like them though, Will and Emmy. Like I'm, I'm rooting for them. Yes.

Wendy (04:04.223)
I'm

Olivia (04:05.146)
you

Wendy (04:11.5)
Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

Olivia (04:13.298)
I agree. I love Emmy. I mean, I have mixed feelings with Will. just think, I think he went to law school and got a big head. And I think that led him to, like they were both in different places. I feel like that just led him to just discover other people.

Kelli (04:30.438)
Yeah.

Kelli (04:33.935)
Right. Right.

Wendy (04:36.12)
You know what I don't like? I don't like that Emmy's putting all of her eggs in Will's basket. That her plan has always been to marry him and be his wife when he's an attorney. Like, why was it, why didn't you have a plan for yourself? that's what I don't like.

Kelli (04:55.347)
I think I know I was Emmy at one point. that's why I'm really rooting for her. Didn't work out for me and I'm happily married now, obviously, but I think that's what you do when you're in a long-term relationship in your early 20s, right? She sees a future with him and she wants that future. So.

Wendy (05:03.575)
Yeah.

Wendy (05:18.86)
Yeah.

Kelli (05:20.423)
But she did, I mean, listen, she was the AGM last year. I don't know exactly what happened. She was not this year, but yeah.

Wendy (05:26.88)
Yeah, she said it was too much for her. I mean...

Olivia (05:29.68)
I just wish Emi would give herself like some grace and be like, you know what, like maybe what everyone's saying is true and let me like reflect on it. And then they can have maybe take a break and figure out things themselves. Like I just think right now she's carrying his mental health and on top of hers, and she's not really like focusing on her. She's just focusing on him. And I think it's, it's just leading her to have these crash outs, which are, I feel they break my heart. I'm like, I couldn't.

Kelli (05:39.609)
Exactly.

Kelli (05:51.643)
Yeah.

Kelli (05:55.269)
Yeah.

Wendy (05:59.33)
Yeah.

Kelli (05:59.335)
She's definitely feeling something because you're right, like anytime somebody says something to her, she breaks down. And I'm a crier, so I get it, but it's like anything somebody says to her, she breaks down.

Olivia (06:13.123)
Especially earlier in the season when she was accused of taking the money from the girls with their cards, whatever it was. and it just something so little, it just took her over the edge. And I was just like, no, something's not right.

Wendy (06:20.876)
Yeah, for their uniforms.

Kelli (06:20.891)
The dresses, yeah.

Kelli (06:27.419)
Yeah!

Right, like I would have been like, know, fuck you, and I didn't do that. Don't ask me again. But she like...

Olivia (06:33.327)
Yeah

Wendy (06:34.446)
Yeah, but even still then Will's like, well, did you? I mean, seriously? What? I I know.

Kelli (06:40.753)
Did you?

Olivia (06:41.527)
Yeah, yep.

Yeah, that was... Mm-hmm.

Kelli (06:46.339)
On camera, like at least wait until you get home and you're not on camera to ask her. Maybe he was trying to be funny.

Wendy (06:50.208)
Yeah, I know he did not help that. No, no, he wasn't. He just, you know,

Olivia (06:56.537)
No, he said it's via jerk. Yeah.

Kelli (06:57.967)
Yeah, he did, he did.

Wendy (06:58.444)
Yeah. Then we see, let's see, Grace Lilly, we find out that the whole problem with Grace Lilly and Maddie is that she slept with O'Sheen, who is Maddie's best friend and roommate, Eva's old boyfriend.

Kelli (07:19.995)
He was like a hookup buddy for Eva. I mean, didn't sound like it was a situationship. Yeah, it didn't sound very serious.

Wendy (07:23.03)
well.

Olivia (07:24.366)
think it's situatonship. Yeah, yeah.

Wendy (07:30.22)
I mean, what are they saying, O'Sheen? Am I missing something?

Kelli (07:32.039)
What a tool.

Olivia (07:33.646)
thought the same thing. Yeah. I don't know. I can't. I don't know.

Kelli (07:39.335)
Like whole milk thing? Like what?

Wendy (07:44.821)
No, right?

Olivia (07:44.865)
But I have to say though, I love Grace Ali because she just is so TV. Like, she is just so funny. Like, I just love it. just, I mean, some of the things she does, I'm like, girl, come on, but I'm like, I get it. Like.

Kelli (07:50.299)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (07:51.086)
you

Kelli (07:59.175)
She was great on the reunion. And she even said to Emmy at one point in the reunion, like, maybe this career isn't for you. Like, maybe being on TV isn't for you. I mean, somebody said it in one of the episodes that Emmy and Will said to the rest of the cast, like, don't talk about our relationship. That really backfired on them, but.

Olivia (08:03.208)
yeah.

Olivia (08:09.149)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (08:21.634)
Yes, it sure did. It sure did. So then Bradley, TJ, and me are all getting ready for the prom and they're hanging out together. And Bradley comes in with the tea who Will is seeing on campus. listen, what I don't like about this whole situation is that TJ and Bradley keep sticking their nose in it.

Olivia (08:22.314)
Yeah.

Wendy (08:47.882)
It's like grow the F up. This has nothing to do with you. If you really care about Emmy, then tell Emmy on the side. Don't be sp-

Kelli (08:57.607)
There's two reasons they're doing it. They're both, well, apparently Bradley does have a girlfriend, but doesn't act like it. They're both miserable. They're single and miserable. TJ is a miserable fuck. And that's why he can't stay out of everybody's business. And then he starts crying on the reunion, like, no, no.

Olivia (08:59.444)
I agree.

Wendy (09:20.054)
Yeah.

Olivia (09:21.307)
I think for me, I have a love-hate with TJ because I feel like TJ's funny when he's got the little comments he makes about some of the cast. I understand his frustration and all that stuff, but then he also just goes around and he's just telling everybody all the secrets and it's like, yeah, It doesn't take accountability.

Kelli (09:42.257)
Yeah. And then, and then doesn't acknowledge it. Like doesn't cop to it. Right.

Wendy (09:43.126)
It's messy.

Wendy (09:51.534)
Then we see Michols and Preston are having the conversation about being exclusive. So that was good to see. This is weird. So they're all at the place and Emmy is out on the porch with Will and they're not talking to anybody. Like, did you see that? Like everyone is like interacting within that mansion and those two are just sitting out on the porch together.

Kelli (10:18.993)
think at this point they both had had it with the season because they knew the entire season revolved around rumors of him cheating on her. So, and now then we find out that Will made the phone call earlier in the day or sent a text message or something. So they knew this was gonna get blown up at the prom. So they were probably just sitting there waiting for it. Like why go in and start dancing with these people when we know in 10 minutes the cameras are gonna be in our face and they're gonna be spewing, you know.

Wendy (10:40.246)
Right, because then.

Kelli (10:48.217)
Nonsense or rumors or whatever even if it's true. They're gonna be you know talking about us

Wendy (10:53.613)
Yeah.

Olivia (10:54.577)
I also think Austin was kind of just exaggerating the story a bit. I don't actually think he was making calls to everybody and things like that. I think it probably was just a simple, did you say this rumor? And he probably was like, no, an end of story. And I kind of feel like Austin may have gotten that rumor not from the brother, but it was definitely from the girlfriend.

Kelli (11:00.988)
Totally.

Kelli (11:12.231)
Right.

Wendy (11:12.449)
Right.

Kelli (11:19.623)
Totally.

Olivia (11:20.347)
I think it was definitely from her, she was a source, and he just made it seem like, well, her brother's in law school, so it makes sense he would tell her. Which I'm like, I don't think. Boys are boys, like they, you know.

Kelli (11:33.987)
And if that were true, so say Austin's girlfriend was gonna go to prom with him, and then they say who it is, and Will says, that's my friend, and I was in New York with Emmy, and Emmy knew about the friend, and that's totally defending himself, and the girlfriend would be like, standing there like an asshole. So that's probably why she didn't go.

Wendy (11:56.354)
Yeah. Listen, I don't like Austin at all. I really don't. mean, what did he bring to this season?

Kelli (12:00.775)
I don't like any of... I didn't like any of the three, Molly, Lake, or Austin. Lake was a... I didn't like her at all. And I thought she looked like a total bitch at the reunion. Making her faces, making her side eyes, rolling her eyes. I didn't like any of them.

Olivia (12:03.259)
I don't like him either.

Olivia (12:13.274)
mixed feelings.

Olivia (12:22.021)
I agree, at the reunion I thought she was a bit jerky. I was like, come on girl. I'm like, you've been in that place too.

Kelli (12:25.753)
Mm-hmm. Yep. Yeah, exactly.

Olivia (12:30.567)
And she's my age, she is 22, so I'm like... Yeah, so it made sense for her to be more like... I don't know, she gave off the vibe of being more young and... She's like, yeah.

Wendy (12:33.572)
she's your, okay, yeah.

Yeah.

Kelli (12:40.049)
Yeah.

Wendy (12:43.342)
So then Grace Lilly shows up at the prom with O'Sheen. I mean, come on.

Kelli (12:48.455)
Yeah, that wasn't.

Olivia (12:49.966)
Yeah, she was just asking for it that time. Yeah.

Kelli (12:52.549)
Yeah. She looked great though. I think she's beautiful.

Olivia (12:56.419)
She did. And do we believe that Maddie hooked up with O'Sheen?

Kelli (13:02.087)
100%.

Wendy (13:03.362)
Well, I don't think it was a complete hookup. admitted to... What did she say? Yes, I mean, that's not a... That's just a make out. I I believe it was a make out.

Kelli (13:11.271)
She said they made out.

Kelli (13:17.254)
I believe Grace Lilly.

Wendy (13:19.616)
do? I don't. You do? Okay.

Olivia (13:20.983)
See, I also believe grace.

Kelli (13:21.031)
She doubled down on the reunion. She doubled down on the reunion. He said, do you stand by your, and she said, I do.

Olivia (13:25.658)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (13:29.749)
Okay, I don't believe her.

Olivia (13:31.077)
Because I think Grace Lilly might be a little delusional, but a liar? I don't know. Sometimes I feel like she just likes to twist things instead of like, I don't know.

Kelli (13:41.861)
Yeah, but if she were lying about it and then, you know, Andy asks her on the reunion, I feel like she would have been like, maybe I misunderstood or maybe I heard something different. She said, I do, I stand by it.

Olivia (13:51.842)
Yeah.

Wendy (13:58.722)
So Maddie,

Olivia (13:58.789)
And at the end, sorry. No, was gonna say it. I was gonna say at the end of the day, they're letting a man come in between them. And it's so frustrating because I'm like, the problem is him, not you guys. That's it.

Kelli (14:08.391)
Yeah.

Wendy (14:08.59)
So true, so true.

Kelli (14:10.907)
He clearly didn't have any respect for Eva or Maddie or Grace Lilly. He knew what mess that was gonna cause.

Olivia (14:13.592)
Mm-mm. No.

No.

Yeah.

Wendy (14:20.526)
I know if you remember Olivia, but Kelly had brought up that O'Sheen was on Vanderpump Rules at a party with Brock when they were in Ariana and Tom's backyard for a pool party. Yeah.

Olivia (14:36.036)
No, no way.

Kelli (14:37.307)
He grabbed Lala's ass and Lala was like, don't know me like that. And she like put him in his place. Yeah, cause he's friends with Brock. I guess they're both from Australia, right?

Wendy (14:40.984)
Was it?

Olivia (14:41.26)
god.

Y-yeah.

Wendy (14:44.34)
Yes. Yeah.

Olivia (14:47.279)
my gosh, I have to go back.

yeah, yeah, that kind of checks out, yeah.

Wendy (14:53.974)
Yeah, and I think they played rugby together or something. So yeah, I was like, wow, that's kind of interesting. So then Maddie starts yelling at Grace Lilly at the party, you know, and she says, I'm your best friend. And she says, no, you're not. I was like,

Kelli (14:54.833)
Yeah. Yes, that's it. think that's it. Yeah.

Olivia (14:58.263)
Hmm.

Yeah, that's weird.

Kelli (15:02.395)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (15:16.793)
Yeah, that was hard to watch.

Wendy (15:21.582)
She's like, that's, Maddie's like, that's it, I'm done. Like if you're, if, okay. I mean, at that point, Maddie had tried to make everything good for Grace Lilly and Grace Lilly did, just wasn't having it. And for why, why? Like what reason?

Kelli (15:29.052)
multiple.

Olivia (15:30.54)
Yeah.

Olivia (15:40.778)
Yeah, Maddie has been like such a good friend to her. I'm like, it's just it was just crazy to me. I'm like, why are you saying this?

Kelli (15:48.763)
And you know that's true when in Vegas, every single one of those people sitting at the table who had been friends with Grace Lilly for a long time said it. Like, Maddie's your ride or die, always has your back, always defends you. So it wasn't just Maddie saying it, it was everybody else who probably have like kind of, you know, put some distance between them and Grace Lilly because of her actions.

Wendy (15:58.998)
Right. Right.

Wendy (16:06.445)
Right.

Olivia (16:08.054)
Yeah.

Olivia (16:11.915)
Like I would have not given her any like sympathy for being late to my DJ performance. Like you were supposed to be there on time to sing and then you were there an hour late. No, Maddie gave her too much. Yeah, no.

Wendy (16:24.16)
I know.

Kelli (16:24.678)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Wendy (16:28.684)
And thank God she didn't have a microphone because she sounded horrible.

Olivia (16:32.413)
Yes. Yes.

Kelli (16:35.929)
she would have sounded horrible live. you know when you're out, not that I have any type of singing career at all, but if I'm drinking and smoking the night before and then try to sing something the next morning, it's not gonna be good. It's not good anyway, but it's certainly not gonna be good after a night out.

Olivia (16:41.269)
You

Olivia (16:54.956)
Yeah, I know.

Wendy (16:54.956)
Yeah. Then, Michaels is the one who goes over to Will and says to him, you know, the reason, Austin's girlfriend is not here is because you were texting her brother. And now I really honestly think that that was not his place to do that. Like, I don't know why he felt like I'm going to get involved in this. I'm going to go solve this.

Kelli (17:20.849)
I'm sure a producer was encouraging him to do it, being that he's close with Emmy.

Wendy (17:27.19)
Yeah, I mean that could be it. That could be it.

Kelli (17:30.075)
Did you see him on Watch What Happens Live? Though Andy Cohen asked him, did you ever believe the rumor that Will cheated on Emmy? And he said no. He said he never believed the rumor. Michael's did.

Wendy (17:40.11)
How could you not believe the rumor?

Kelli (17:42.839)
I don't want to believe the rumor, but-

Wendy (17:46.06)
I mean, I feel like on the reunion she all but admitted that he cheated on her and she knows about it.

Olivia (17:53.053)
She did. I think that was definitely what she was admitting, yeah.

Kelli (17:53.243)
Did you?

Wendy (17:54.666)
Right? Yeah, at the reunion. Yeah, that's

Kelli (17:57.009)
Yeah. I guess he was just trying to be a good friend.

Olivia (17:58.345)
I just think, yeah, exactly. I think he's the only person besides Matty who've actually been there for Emmy this entire season. So like, I think that was just him trying to be like, trying to defuse it and calm it down.

Kelli (18:13.137)
Yeah.

Wendy (18:16.408)
So then TJ drops the bomb that he knows who Will cheated with. And it was the one that you lived with and that you took to prom. And then Emmy's like, well, I know who that is. We were all together in New York at Watch What Happens Live when she stayed at the place. So then we start to wonder, like, do you think that that really is the person that they're all saying?

Kelli (18:44.677)
And maybe he really is friends with her and if Emmy was away skiing for prom, maybe they just went as friends. Right?

Wendy (18:51.917)
Right.

Olivia (18:52.541)
Yeah, I don't know if I believe it's her. I feel like at the timelines, I feel like their story made more sense. He just let her stay there, whatever. He wasn't even there. And then by the time he came back, she was gone. And I believe that. But I think TJ was kind of just grasping at it and hoping it would trigger something in them, that Will would be showing some emotion about it, but instead they deflect it.

Wendy (18:56.461)
okay.

Wendy (19:05.432)
Right.

Right.

Kelli (19:13.338)
Yeah.

Wendy (19:16.152)
Right.

Kelli (19:22.577)
You know, honestly, if Will made that phone call earlier in the day, Austin's girlfriend's brother, whoever he called could have been like, listen, this is, you know, this is what they're alleging. He could have given them kind of a heads up, which would have given Will and Emmy an opportunity to be like, okay, well, this is what we say to that.

Wendy (19:22.605)
Right.

Wendy (19:34.71)
Right. Right, who it was.

Wendy (19:43.438)
Yeah, it could be. mean, anything's possible. And after this happens, that's when Emmy and Will say that, you know, that's it, we're going to leave. Okay, go leave your party. And they leave. And then Michaels calls everyone inside so that they can announce the prom king and queen. And, you know, guess who it was? Maddie and Joe. Oh, yeah.

Olivia (19:44.636)
Yeah.

Kelli (19:54.225)
to your own party.

Kelli (20:04.177)
Hmm

Olivia (20:05.5)
I know know Joe loved it Yep

Kelli (20:09.871)
Yeah, for sure. I mean, I'm happy for them and I hope they last too. I really think that they're cute. I just think he's gotta pump the brakes, man, because he's gonna scare her right out of that relationship.

Olivia (20:14.149)
Mm-hmm.

Olivia (20:20.165)
See ya.

I think it's gonna be almost like a Paige and Craig situation that we have. That's what I've been watching. I'm just like, her career is coming up and he's like, I wanna get married, I wanna have kids. And she's like, no, not yet, not yet. Like not for a while. No, mm-hmm. I think they're like 25, 26, yeah.

Kelli (20:27.367)
100%.

Kelli (20:35.631)
Yep. No way, they're so young. How old are they?

Kelli (20:46.033)
Yeah, like, my god, you have like a solid five years before you should be thinking about that. Having kids and getting married, right?

Wendy (20:52.151)
Yeah.

Olivia (20:55.045)
I also just love Joe. I think he's so funny.

Wendy (20:55.214)
Well, he's sweet. I do think he's a sweet guy. think that he's been in love with her ever since he met her. And we all saw that. We all know that. And the fact that he finally got the girl that he loves, I too, I'm rooting for them too. But I...

Kelli (20:57.229)
He's adorable. Me too.

Olivia (21:06.094)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (21:13.062)
Yeah.

Olivia (21:14.842)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (21:15.621)
I think he's so scared to lose her because of her career. But you know, but he, like Emmy, should be focusing on what he's gonna do. You know, even if that's staying at Republican, like what Leva said to him, basically at the reunion, like focus on your career.

Wendy (21:28.364)
Right.

Wendy (21:38.52)
She even had that chat with him that her and Lamar talked about it. you know, she and Lamar couldn't, you know, see him going further. You know, maybe they open up another place down there and, you know, right. Or that he's a part of and owner of, or, you know, like a Tom Tom spinoff. Right? Right.

Kelli (21:48.827)
that he runs.

Kelli (21:54.884)
Exactly.

Olivia (21:54.987)
Yes, yeah. And he's so likeable too. It's like so easy for him to just branch out. But I think he might be a little scared. I think that's why he's holding himself back.

Kelli (21:58.182)
Yeah.

Wendy (22:01.11)
Yes. Yeah.

Kelli (22:03.941)
Yeah, he, I think he lacks some confidence. By the way, did you guys see what's going on with Lamar and Leva with their new daiquiri lace?

Olivia (22:07.981)
Mm-hmm.

Olivia (22:15.767)
Yes, we- I've heard little bits of it, but I'm not exactly sure what actually happened. But I saw she made an apology post or something like that.

Wendy (22:15.949)
No.

Kelli (22:26.225)
So I don't like you, like I've kind of been getting bits and pieces, but allegedly, this is all allegedly, they opened a new space down in South Carolina and apparently all of their spaces after eight o'clock have address code. So people were online to enter this place and people were already in and it was like a grand opening. So the clock strikes eight and the manager comes out.

And apparently, allegedly, allegedly, the manager stood next to five black men and started saying that Jordans, specifically Jordans, were not allowed. Athletic pants and something else, maybe jeans, were not allowed. And the five gentlemen standing right next to them were wearing all of these things. Meanwhile, people inside were also wearing these things.

Wendy (23:24.578)
because it was before eight when they got inside.

Kelli (23:24.935)
It was before eight when they walked in. So some big TikToker was eating outside at the space and filmed it and started reporting on it. And it went viral. Lamar put out a statement basically saying, I have dress codes at my spaces after eight o'clock. Everybody knows this. Like I'm a man of color. My wife is a woman of color. We do not, we are not.

Olivia (23:26.04)
Mmm.

Wendy (23:50.99)
Right.

Kelli (23:54.663)
racist, are not, he put out a statement saying all this. So it'll be interesting to see what happens, but if you have a dress code, you have a dress code. This TikToker made it seem like the manager went out there specifically to address this group of men.

Wendy (23:57.112)
Right.

Wendy (24:14.942)
sure that that's not what happened.

Olivia (24:15.606)
Yeah, that's definitely messy. Yeah. And I do know a lot of places when they're like, like very like high end restaurants, like they have a dress code, but I don't know. is, a little messy.

Kelli (24:17.563)
Barry Massey.

Kelli (24:27.216)
Yeah.

Kelli (24:32.763)
Very messy.

Wendy (24:33.646)
mean, A has a dress code. Did you know that? I almost fell over. Bar A has a dress code because I know, I'm not going to mention names because I'm not allowed to, but I know people that have been in my house that have gone to bar A, not that reside at my house, I'll just put it that way, and they had to leave and go get a different shirt or the shorts, no athletic stuff. You can't wear athletic shorts either. You cannot wear athletic shorts. can't.

Kelli (24:36.401)
BORAY

Olivia (24:36.894)
Really? Alright.

Olivia (24:47.637)
you

Kelli (24:54.331)
What kind of shirt do you have to wear to bar A?

Wendy (25:02.786)
You have to wear like.

Kelli (25:04.135)
She can't wear like a Nike t-shirt.

Olivia (25:05.427)
you

Wendy (25:06.892)
No. No.

Kelli (25:09.371)
Wow, when did baray get so bougie? Meanwhile, girls can probably go in there with crop tops and shorts up their ass. Totally, totally allowed. Yeah, not only is it allowed, it's encouraged. if I could pull it off, I would, I just can't.

Wendy (25:11.905)
I don't know. was...

Olivia (25:13.097)
That is wild.

You

Wendy (25:17.326)
Well, that's allowed. I think it's encouraged.

Olivia (25:20.456)
Hey, I love my crop tops.

Wendy (25:27.374)
So then after they leave and they crown the king and queen, this whole next section I thought was a little weird. They showed 10 days ago at Republic, a producer says, hey, Will, and Will has this hot mic. And he's saying that Emmy has screenshots of all the texts and it will ruin everyone's life. And I don't know if I want to bring it up. It will be a big atom bomb, he says. I don't think we really have seen Maddie.

Kelli (25:29.563)
Huh?

Olivia (25:30.548)
you

Wendy (25:56.974)
activated this year. It would be a reunion conversation for sure. So that was 10 days after the finale or

Kelli (26:09.169)
thought it was ten days before. Was it before or after?

Olivia (26:12.372)
I think it was before the reunion. Yeah.

Wendy (26:12.888)
Well, it was before the reunion, I think it was 10 days, so 10 days before the reunion, but after the finale had filmed. I don't know. So.

Kelli (26:14.855)
before the reunion.

Kelli (26:24.572)
Yeah.

Wendy (26:28.374)
Will is at the reunion and he's backstage and he's not coming out. we know, and we see that, know, Maddie is visibly upset. And Andy said, well, so he says, well, why isn't, you know, Will coming out? Is he quitting the show? And Emmy's like, well, I mean, he hasn't said that he's quitting the show. And Andy said, will you spend the entire season defending him? And now you're you're here out here alone again.

Olivia (26:30.899)
you

Kelli (26:33.329)
I didn't like that.

Wendy (26:58.348)
Like, if he's not coming out, then...

Kelli (27:01.253)
I don't think he had to quit the show. He didn't show up at the reunion. I mean, he's probably fired from the show, right?

Wendy (27:08.59)
To be honest with I didn't even know he was still on the show because we saw him so little.

Olivia (27:08.979)
Mmm.

Kelli (27:11.023)
I know, I know, I know.

Olivia (27:13.766)
Yeah, I'm not too sure. I don't think he would get fired, but I definitely think he would leave.

Kelli (27:20.55)
now.

Olivia (27:21.455)
Like, yeah. If I was him, I'd leave. After all that, every, yeah. Cause at that point you might as well. Yeah.

Kelli (27:24.837)
I would too, especially after not going on the reunion and defending her. Because now you look like a total douche.

Wendy (27:24.92)
Yeah.

Wendy (27:30.104)
Well, yes. And Emmy says, well, my head is clear today and I'm OK. And then Maddie's crying. And she's like, well, I would love for to be here, you know, because I'd like to talk to him. And Andy's like, well, you know, what happened? And she said, last night, Will came and told Joe, came to our hotel room and spilled something. And they're like, well, what did he spill?

Olivia (27:45.073)
you

Wendy (27:59.658)
Trevor never cheated on Maddie with Sammy.

Kelli (28:03.847)
That's crazy.

Wendy (28:05.92)
And when she said that, I was like, wait, what? Like, how is this coming out now?

Kelli (28:12.359)
That just shows you what a miserable F Bradley is. All because she said that he got, you know, oral sex in the alleyway behind the bar one time while he had a girlfriend, which is probably true.

Wendy (28:17.048)
Yeah.

Olivia (28:17.38)
Yeah, I'm-

Olivia (28:27.44)
Yeah, it's yeah, yeah, especially like I feel like with TJ as well, like I think he was upset that Joe Bradley led him on and like all the things he's also said about everybody in that group. I think it stems from like that whole issue. Yeah. I think the both of them just like, no.

Wendy (28:29.101)
is definitely true.

Kelli (28:30.374)
Yeah.

Kelli (28:44.295)
Yeah, I don't even...

Yeah, I don't even think, like listen, whatever that story was with TJ and Joe, Joe is clearly not gay. You could say that people are bisexual, you could say they're fluid, you can say a lot of things, but this guy is clearly heterosexual. He clearly likes women. So I think that TJ misread something. And I think he probably really was in love with Joe.

Olivia (29:14.874)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (29:19.439)
And I think he did go around telling people that Joe was gay. Cause that's just how messy he is.

Wendy (29:22.872)
Well, he did.

Olivia (29:23.034)
yes, definitely, Mm-hmm.

Wendy (29:27.362)
He did, he did. listen, like Andy said, I give Joe a lot of credit for even having that conversation with him at the bar on camera. And even to be so graceful during the reunion, when TJ was breaking down and crying, Joe was still there for him.

Kelli (29:39.419)
Yeah.

Kelli (29:46.033)
Yeah, which

Wendy (29:47.628)
You know, I give him a lot of credit. I really do. I think that he's a stand up guy. I think he's a stand up guy.

Kelli (29:49.777)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (29:55.782)
Yeah.

Olivia (29:56.28)
Yeah.

Wendy (29:58.254)
So, Emmy's, you know, what I think is screwed up about the whole thing is that Emmy had this information for how long, you know, and Maddie was the one that was there for Emmy this whole season. You think that she would have not allowed Will to tell her this the night before the reunion.

Kelli (30:22.277)
It was just to vindicate themselves. Like, see, Brad's lying. He was lying about that, and now he's lying about this. Sure.

Olivia (30:23.566)
Yeah, it was just, Mm-hmm.

Wendy (30:25.71)
But again, you're hurting Maddie. Like why would you hurt Maddie like that? She was the one who was there for you. I just think.

Olivia (30:30.445)
Yeah.

Kelli (30:37.679)
I'm sure that's why Will wouldn't go on camera because that's the question he would have been asked. Because even though Emmy was in on it, he's the one that went to the producers and he, I... Yeah. Yeah.

Olivia (30:38.506)
Yeah.

Olivia (30:42.732)
Mm-hmm.

Olivia (30:49.239)
It was all just to take the heat away from them and their relationship. like, let's focus on Maddie's ex relationship. Like...

Kelli (30:56.303)
And maybe they figured at this point, she's so happy with Joe and enough time has passed that it won't be as harsh as it would have been to tell her right after. But that's the thing with TJ and Bradley. They did that whole thing last season, right? Was it last season where Maddie kicked that girl out of the house? mean, you could tell that girl was lying. I mean, yeah.

Olivia (30:59.959)
Mm-hmm.

Olivia (31:21.323)
Yes, yes, wa- yeah, yeah. yes, from- yeah.

Kelli (31:25.957)
She totally was lying, but Bradley and TJ started that whole thing too.

Olivia (31:27.851)
Even from that-

Yeah, even from that episode when Brad was like, did you guys make out? And she was like, yeah, but you can kind of tell like the yeah, which is like, it just didn't seem sincere. Like, so I was like, no, she's definitely lying. Yeah.

Kelli (31:43.185)
She looked like she was gonna laugh any second. They probably had to do that like 30 times to get the right take.

Olivia (31:48.768)
yeah.

But I'm glad she's not in that relationship anymore, I did not like Trevor at all.

Wendy (31:55.326)
No, mean, no, Trevor was no good. But then Andy says, everyone in the group knew that Trevor didn't cheat on Maddie and nobody told Maddie. And Grace Lilly raises her hand and she's like, well, I knew. I'm like, okay. And then Andy's, no, well, Joe didn't know.

Kelli (31:55.475)
no.

Kelli (32:12.315)
They all know, so...

Olivia (32:13.191)
is yet.

Kelli (32:16.399)
No, Joe knew.

Wendy (32:17.955)
Joe knew, but he didn't, he wasn't a part of that group text.

Kelli (32:22.075)
He wasn't, and when she was with Trevor, I mean, he's had a whole, how long have they been together? He's had the whole time they've been together to tell her. But he said that, you know, he wasn't allowed to spend time with her when she was with Trevor. So he didn't have that opportunity. And listen, I don't blame any one of them for not saying it because at the time, they're friends with all of them, they're friends with TJ and Bradley. they're...

Olivia (32:22.635)
you

Wendy (32:35.99)
Right, right.

Kelli (32:48.743)
It's it doesn't mean that Trevor never cheated on her clearly the guy wasn't good for her So it was almost like all right. Well, we did her a favor. We finally got rid of this fucking guy

Wendy (32:53.513)
Right, right.

Olivia (32:57.445)
Yeah. I mean, I'm sure he's probably cheated on her, but like, just not with that girl. Yeah.

Wendy (32:57.537)
Right.

Kelli (33:02.703)
Yeah. Right. Right.

Wendy (33:04.32)
Not with Sammy. But we saw him with Sammy in the video when he was out. Like that was Sammy in that video. So there was definitely something going on that we all saw with our own two eyes. So.

Kelli (33:11.247)
Yeah. Yeah.

Olivia (33:12.443)
Yes, yeah it was. Mmhmm.

Wendy (33:23.853)
What else?

So Emmy says that it was supposed to come out last year before the reunion. Because that's what Andy's like, well, why is this coming out now? And she's like, well, was supposed to come out last year before the reunion. But then Joe had this thing where he slept with Luann. And Joe's like, made out. And she's like, OK, made out. so that's what the focus was on, not on this. And I'm like, I don't know if that's true.

Kelli (33:53.157)
I don't know if it's true either, but that was a big thing and that's what started the downfall of TJ and Joe's friendship.

Wendy (34:03.03)
Yes, that is what yes.

Kelli (34:05.179)
This is what I love about Maddie and Joe though. And this is like when you're married for as long as we've been married, like this is how we would be. But the fact that they're so new in their relationship and they were both like this. when I think it was on Watch What Happens Live, Andy mentioned Joe hooking up with Luanne and Maddie was like, yeah, she's a fucking icon. Like good for him, like of course. And then even the scene where Grace Lilly said something about

Wendy (34:29.495)
Yes.

Kelli (34:34.393)
Maddie hooking up with O'Sheen and Joe was just like, la la la la, I can't hear you. Exactly, like it's a mature way to handle those things instead of being like, my God, like jealous, even though everything that happened happened prior to you being with each other.

Olivia (34:38.439)
Yeah, he's like, I'm gonna pretend I didn't hear that. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Wendy (34:38.478)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (34:53.025)
Right.

Olivia (34:53.435)
Yeah, I also didn't like when TJ was saying that once a cheater, always a cheater. So was like, I feel like Joe would not cheat on Maddie. He finally got the girl, he's not letting her go. Like that was just, that was just like low of him to say.

Kelli (35:01.048)
now.

Kelli (35:04.847)
right.

Wendy (35:04.959)
No.

Kelli (35:07.611)
Very low, very low. He's the villain. TJ's the villain.

Wendy (35:08.899)
Yeah.

Olivia (35:11.975)
Yeah. But that's what makes the show. Him and Grace, him and Grace. Without them, I feel like it would just be all about Emmy and Maddie and that whole stuff. But love that. But I do like that.

Kelli (35:16.167)
All right, you need one. Yeah, yeah.

Kelli (35:25.273)
Yeah, I got nervous in the beginning that we weren't seeing Grace Lilly. I thought like, did she leave the show? I even Googled it. I got nervous.

Olivia (35:34.574)
Yeah, I thought she did too, but then when she came on I was like, alright, no. I was like, she's not going anywhere. Yeah.

Kelli (35:39.941)
There she is. Right.

Wendy (35:43.202)
Well, I mean, it's kind of just like with Mia too, because Mia doesn't work there anymore. So we can only see them when we see them. I, Levis said, I don't really think that there's any chance of Grace Lilly coming back to Republic because of all the problems that were there when she was working there.

Kelli (35:51.1)
Right.

Kelli (36:00.931)
Yeah, I mean, I think she said she'd be open to a conversation, like, and hopefully, well, I don't know, then she showed up at Brambo-Ocean, so it doesn't seem like she's done with it.

Wendy (36:04.846)
Yeah.

Olivia (36:09.23)
Yeah, I just, yeah. I think, Grace digs her own hole. Yeah, she does. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. I just, yeah. Yeah. I, she, I mean, no, the best was when she was trying to relate to TJ at the reunion and she was like,

Wendy (36:09.312)
I- I- No.

Kelli (36:13.959)
Yeah, but she has her fashion line coming out and she's modeling and her music career. So she's got a lot of balls in the air, Grace Lilly.

Wendy (36:22.11)
Yes, her wavy baby. That was so funny.

Kelli (36:23.685)
Wavy baby. When she started doing this.

The girl's like, what are you doing?

Wendy (36:36.007)
my god.

Kelli (36:36.225)
my god.

Olivia (36:37.125)
I was like, oh no, that is not the time. Not the time, not the place. Yeah, she was like, I'm a sister to a woman, yeah. And I was like, okay, cool, but it's not the time for that. Good for you. I just thought it was so funny and her timing is just, it's so good.

Kelli (36:41.041)
Would you say I've scissored a woman?

Wendy (36:42.87)
Yes.

Kelli (36:54.939)
Yeah. She got best dressed as far as I'm concerned. She always gets best dressed gracefully.

Olivia (37:00.168)
yes, her style is like, ugh, I love it. I also have say I love Mia. I think she's just like very like straightforward, like get the stuff done, like I just love her. And I wish I want her like more, like more round, but.

Kelli (37:05.167)
Yep. Yep.

Me too.

Kelli (37:13.702)
Yes.

Kelli (37:18.319)
Yeah, on the show, sure.

Wendy (37:20.814)
like Mia too and I like that she had her own storyline last year. we, you know, like we saw her more even after she got fired. You know, we got to see her with her father and like she has other things going on in her life. So I would wish they would explore that, you know? I mean, even the whole thing, like she did the, the, the beauty, the, you know, why didn't we get to see that? Like, I mean, she didn't win, but still like we should have seen that. Don't you think?

Kelli (37:30.342)
Yeah.

Kelli (37:38.257)
Yeah.

Olivia (37:39.065)
Yeah.

Kelli (37:45.296)
I know.

Olivia (37:46.04)
Yeah, I was upset about that.

Kelli (37:49.863)
Where was she turning at?

Wendy (37:51.694)
I don't know where she was. I don't know.

Olivia (37:52.868)
I forget.

Kelli (37:54.341)
I forget. Yeah, I forget. Maybe whatever country it was, though, didn't.

Wendy (37:58.604)
they couldn't film?

Olivia (37:59.492)
But I would have loved to see that, like, cause she's just the best. love her.

Kelli (38:02.054)
Yeah.

Kelli (38:05.415)
Mm.

Wendy (38:05.494)
Or even if somebody went there with an iPhone and filmed it and we got iPhone footage. Do you know what I'm saying?

Olivia (38:09.514)
Yeah, like the little snippets.

Kelli (38:10.961)
We didn't see her like at all on stage. yeah.

Wendy (38:13.867)
No.

Olivia (38:14.539)
No, was just when she came back.

Kelli (38:17.551)
Yeah, like at least if her parents were there.

Olivia (38:18.124)
And she, I think she got third. What'd get like third place, something like that or? Yeah.

Wendy (38:22.102)
I think so, yeah.

Kelli (38:25.436)
Yeah.

Wendy (38:26.35)
Then what happens? So then they play all the clips of Joe and Maddie together. And Andy says, know, Joe, like, what's it like to date the person you fantasized for all your life? He's like, it's amazing. Like, it's amazing to be with my best friend. And you can see it. Like, he believes that this is, you know, this is the one that he's gonna spend the rest of his life with.

Kelli (38:45.979)
Yeah.

Olivia (38:53.249)
And I really hope so. I hope they last. I was rooting for him from season one. I was like, I know. I was like, you got it, you got it. Just keep pushing. And now that they're finally together, I'm like, no. I'm like, don't. You're pushing her away with this whole marriage stuff. I'm like, don't do it. Don't do it.

Kelli (38:54.786)
Aw, me too.

Yep.

Yup, yup.

Kelli (39:09.891)
Yeah, he has to back off a little bit. Well, it actually seems like he has, right? Yeah, he had to back off because...

Olivia (39:12.929)
Yeah. Mm hmm.

Olivia (39:19.347)
Yeah, no, I was like, I don't want to see another page in Craig because I don't think can handle that heartbreak.

Kelli (39:22.671)
No, I know. Thank God they only live 45 minutes away from each other and not in different states. What do you think about the Paige and Craig thing?

Olivia (39:28.865)
Yeah, exactly. I'm devastated. love both of them. But I think I understand where Paige is coming from, because it's like her career is just taking off a giggly squad and stuff like that. Like she has no time for like the marriage part, like the kids, like that aspect. Like I think Craig is at the age where he is. And I just

Kelli (39:38.042)
Yeah.

Kelli (39:47.003)
Yeah.

Olivia (39:57.856)
I thought since they don't live together, they didn't have that period where they do that, it wasn't gonna last. I knew it wasn't gonna last, but I didn't want to believe it. Because I was rooting for them. And I love Craig.

Kelli (40:04.517)
Right. I know, I know.

Yeah.

Wendy (40:12.174)
was rooting for them. I was rooting for them also, but I knew when I started, because I listened to Giggly Swat and I knew how she was touring all over the place. And when that first rumor came out, said, Kelly and I talked about it, said, I think it's probably true because she has so much going on. And the more you watch it on Summer House and we saw, we're still seeing it on Southern Charm.

They're just in different places and that's okay. But I still think people are villainizing her saying that she led him on and I don't think that's the case.

Kelli (40:41.991)
Totally. Yeah, totally.

Olivia (40:42.794)
Yeah.

Olivia (40:49.928)
No, not at all.

I just think people...

Kelli (40:53.553)
I think that people are villainizing her because she was seen out with that other guy. listen, she's single. She could do whatever she wants. And I don't think she cheated on him. don't think there was anybody else. I mean, listen, maybe she met this person or something and found him attractive and felt something. And maybe she thought to herself,

Olivia (41:01.236)
Mm-hmm.

Olivia (41:05.153)
No, not at all.

Kelli (41:19.175)
I really shouldn't be feeling this way if I'm truly committed and 100 % in with Craig. that was probably a red flag for her. But I don't think she did anything prior to breaking up with Craig. think she's a better person than that.

Wendy (41:27.479)
Yeah.

Olivia (41:27.623)
Yeah, definitely.

Olivia (41:31.963)
No.

think it was like a mutual breakup, but I feel like Craig is kind of playing the victim a little bit. I just feel like he's trying to be like I was blindsided, but I think he knew. I think he knew it was going to come to that point.

Kelli (41:48.017)
But he said that she asked, she like asked him to buy a ring. He said that, didn't he? Like they were talking about a ring.

Wendy (41:53.878)
He did say that. Well, we haven't seen it officially yet. Like we haven't seen it. I think we need to wait and see a little bit more. But he did say on Watch What Happens Live that he did not want the relationship to end. It was not mutual. She said in the podcast, it was mutual. And I know she said that just to protect him because when she did make the announcement, she said, I have nothing bad to say about him.

Olivia (41:53.915)
I... Did he say-

Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (41:58.959)
Yeah.

Olivia (42:03.761)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (42:04.027)
Yeah.

Olivia (42:13.436)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (42:22.078)
He treated me well, like it was great, it was a great relationship. It's just, you know, it's just not gonna work for us going forward. And that's that, and that happens. I mean, after...

Olivia (42:31.76)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (42:32.805)
And I think that they should both stop saying things. And I think that the Summer House cast members should keep their mouths shut. Did you see Kyle on Watch What Happens Live? He's the worst person in the world. He really is. Or maybe not in the world, but. When Andy asked him, who do you think has the bigger wallet, Craig or Hannah? And he said Hannah.

Olivia (42:39.566)
Yes, I agree.

Wendy (42:40.695)
Yeah.

Olivia (42:43.453)
I can't.

Wendy (42:44.578)
He's

Olivia (42:47.982)
He is. I do not like Kyle. No, but he's definitely not great.

Wendy (42:50.678)
you

Kelli (43:01.415)
Give me a fucking break. Listen, I'm very happy for Hannah. I wasn't a huge fan of hers when she was on Summer House, but I'm very happy for her and she's definitely making bank and she's definitely on a great path right now to become hugely successful. But there is no way she has more money than Craig. And Craig clearly has more money than Kyle. And Kyle is just so bitter and jealous.

Olivia (43:06.661)
Mm-hmm.

Olivia (43:18.531)
yeah.

Olivia (43:27.675)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (43:27.885)
And it's not the fact that people are talking smack about you that your lover boy is not selling. Your lover boy is probably not that good and it's super expensive. So stop calling slander on people. If people still like your product, they buy it. People just don't like your product.

Wendy (43:43.832)
We never tried it. We never tried it. Is it any good?

Olivia (43:44.771)
Yeah, I've tried it before. think, mean, it's just like a hard, like seltzer, like a hard tea. Like it's nothing crazy, you know? I mean, like it's good, but it's definitely overpriced.

Kelli (43:55.343)
Right. I went to order it. I went to order it during quarantine, because that's when I started watching Summer House. And I was like, that's ridiculous. It was so expensive. I didn't get it.

Olivia (44:00.581)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (44:02.572)
Mm-hmm.

Olivia (44:05.179)
Yeah. Well, now they have the spritz stuff out and that's like, just a four pack is almost like $30. I'm like, I'm not paying $30 for four drinks that I can make myself. no. Yeah.

Kelli (44:13.093)
That's what I saw.

Kelli (44:18.907)
and you're not even gonna get buzzed off of, they're spiritual. I wouldn't, you know? That would be nothing. But that's exactly what I saw. Four drinks and it was like $25, I think like before shipping. I'm like, okay, yeah, we're not doing that.

Olivia (44:26.203)
Mm-hmm. Yep.

Yeah. And then another one, was like, I looked and it was like, you can make your own like bundle, but it was only three drinks. And that came out to like $25. I was like, I'm not, I'm like, there's no, I'm like a case of high noon for like eight is literally 20 bucks. Like I'm not paying. Yeah, no, it's crazy.

Kelli (44:42.352)
No way.

Kelli (44:48.743)
Right.

No.

Wendy (44:53.186)
honestly they're not that great like I mean I haven't had his but I don't think high noon or truly or and I don't I don't think yeah I don't really think any of them like I I don't know not my go-to

Olivia (44:59.339)
no, truly gross, yeah.

Kelli (45:01.073)
They all have a bad aftertaste.

Olivia (45:06.605)
I think the only ones I like are surfsides, and I will stand by that. They're very good.

Kelli (45:10.184)
I haven't tried those.

Wendy (45:13.27)
Surf sides are not carbonated, correct?

Olivia (45:15.401)
No, they're not. They're not. So they're like, no, they're, they're perfect. They're like, just, they're easy to go down. Doesn't bother you. It's good.

Kelli (45:16.583)
I would like that. I don't like the carbonated ones.

Kelli (45:26.043)
Yeah.

Wendy (45:26.862)
They're like a lemonade or an iced tea kind of thing, right? Yeah, yeah.

Olivia (45:28.651)
Yeah, mm-hmm. Yeah. My favorite's the peach tea. the best. And they come in four packs too, so you can do like a four pack of green tea or four pack of raspberry tea. They have like a whole bunch of flavors. Yeah, me just promoting them.

Kelli (45:29.998)
I would like that, yeah.

Wendy (45:33.0)
okay. Maybe we'll try that.

Kelli (45:33.527)
that sounds good. Yeah.

Kelli (45:43.057)
Nice.

Wendy (45:44.662)
We'll have to try them. So then what else happened? So then, you know, TJ starts crying and, you know, he says, don't, you know, you don't know how hard this has been for me. And, and he really is crying. mean, I think it was real. think that those were real emotions. You know, Maddie grabs his hand and Joe, Joe, that's when Joe says, you know, I think that.

Kelli (45:46.149)
Yeah.

Wendy (46:14.934)
you know, our conversation was still good, you know, he has all these people, all these people there are still his friends, they will still be stand by him.

Wendy (46:28.83)
Andy said, you've been hurt a lot. And then that's when Leva jumps in and says, yeah, because he's been with, I guess Michael's jumped in and said, there's a lot of straight guys that like the queer bait in Charleston, which is horrible. That's horrible. It's horrible. And.

Kelli (46:42.275)
It's It's awful. So do they pretend to be gay? Is that what it is? Or they have tendencies and fool around with gay men but then act like they don't know them because they're straight in their real life? Like, you know what I mean? Like, is it like a secret part of their life? Is that what queerbait means?

Olivia (46:43.038)
Yeah, that's really, that's...

Olivia (47:00.286)
Mm-hmm. I'm... I'm not exactly sure. I think it's more of just like, portraying to be gay. Like... Mm-hmm.

Kelli (47:09.628)
Yeah.

Wendy (47:09.644)
I think it is, I think, yeah, I think they have a secret. I think it's a secret. Like for them, you know, they may be attracted to somebody and, but they do have a girlfriend or they do have another life. So they want to keep it a secret.

Kelli (47:22.445)
Right. So TJ necessarily, or Michael, they are the secret.

Wendy (47:29.29)
Yes, yes. And that's why he has been hurt a lot because he's, you know, had what he thought were real relationships with people only to find out that they weren't real. It was just, you know, it was just a front, you know, like behind the scenes, a secret.

Kelli (47:31.036)
Got it.

Olivia (47:31.414)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (47:42.055)
night.

Kelli (47:48.677)
Right.

Wendy (47:52.788)
Andy says, if Grace still, Grace Lilly still likes to keep it wavy baby. And she's like, I'm still keeping it wavy baby. And she talks about what she's doing, her fashion line and her modeling and her singing. Where does she model?

Kelli (48:00.571)
Bye bye.

Olivia (48:11.22)
I don't know. I don't even know she modeled. Yeah, probably...

Wendy (48:13.484)
I don't know.

Kelli (48:13.689)
in her room in front of her phone.

Listen, I love her and this is no shade at all because have at it. I know plenty of people who do smoke weed every day of their lives, but she looks high as a kite every time you see her, doesn't she? She looks very happy, let's put it that way.

Olivia (48:21.844)
Mm-hmm.

Olivia (48:32.916)
She... Yeah. She looks like she's on a different planet, but I want to be on that planet with her. Like, I don't know what she's doing. Yeah. She's hilarious. I can't. Yeah.

Wendy (48:36.056)
Yeah.

Kelli (48:38.353)
She does. For sure, especially with honor.

Wendy (48:40.652)
You

Yeah.

Kelli (48:45.827)
I agree. I agree. She's TV gold.

Wendy (48:50.146)
She does admit that she wished that she didn't hook up with O'Sheen, which is good. I'm glad she admits that. Then Lake and Michael's talk about their bonding over coming out. No, she really didn't. No.

Olivia (48:53.234)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (49:02.919)
But did she? She didn't.

Olivia (49:05.616)
Mm-mm. No, she said at the reunion it was more of like, if straight people don't have to come out, why should I? Which I get, like, I get it.

Wendy (49:14.743)
Right.

Kelli (49:16.721)
She's clearly only, if she really is bisexual, which I'm not believing everything Lake is trying to sell, because I think that she wants to be on the show, and I think that she was doing what she had to to get camera time, like the make out with Bradley in the hot tub and all that stuff. But if she, I totally forgot my train of thought.

Wendy (49:44.536)
think that girl she was with, she was really with that girl. I think that that was real. I don't think she would do that to that other girl and bring her on camera if that wasn't real.

Olivia (49:48.378)
Yeah.

Kelli (49:53.351)
Well, unless the other girl was, you know, in on it and fine with it. I mean, she doesn't want to disappoint her family. Basically.

Olivia (49:57.906)
I mean, I don't know, it looked...

Yeah, it looked real to me. I I'd rather her with anybody else except Brad, like no Brad. Like when her and Brad, I was like, oh no, was like, wait, come on. I was like, come on, I was like, no, anyone else.

Kelli (50:08.759)
for sure.

No, he did the same thing with Lucia last year.

Wendy (50:17.325)
Yeah.

Kelli (50:19.459)
Exactly.

Wendy (50:22.072)
So, Michael, you know, he starts crying and he thought that, you know, sharing his story would help him, you know, with his relationship with his mother. And she never contacted him, not once.

Kelli (50:35.495)
That's great. No, well, she did. And she said, why are people telling me that you're kissing a man on TV?

Wendy (50:36.994)
Well, and then she said.

Olivia (50:38.332)
Mm-hmm.

Like, so sad.

Wendy (50:42.838)
Right. It's so sad. It really is.

Kelli (50:44.667)
Yeah, like this is who your son is and he's just an amazing kid. How could you not be super proud of him?

Olivia (50:48.006)
Like, yeah. Like, all he's asking is just to love him for who he is, and that- just- it just sucks. That sucks.

Kelli (50:53.671)
Yeah.

Wendy (50:58.028)
I'm glad that he's going to have a relationship with his siblings, which is good. And his aunt, he said, yeah, so that's good. I think personally that Lake is just afraid of her father. I don't even think it's her mother. I think it's her father. And I think that she's just not ready because she seeks his approval so much that she's not, she's

Olivia (51:01.304)
Mm-hmm. Yes, yeah.

Kelli (51:02.885)
And it's on, yeah.

Olivia (51:12.571)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (51:27.854)
She's gonna go with his approval before she does anything for herself. I think that maybe once she gets a little bit older or is a little bit more independent because of her age and financial situation, I think she'll realize. Yes.

Kelli (51:39.985)
Well, yeah, she talks about her family's wealth enough to... It's a very clear picture.

Olivia (51:42.352)
I think she's afraid if she comes out, her dad's gonna take all of that away. Yeah, mm-hmm.

Wendy (51:47.534)
It's gonna cut her off. Right. So I think she tried it a little bit and then found out what was gonna happen. then I, yeah, I don't think it's fake. I just think that she needs the financial support. Whereas Michael's is busting his ass and going to school and working full time and you know.

Kelli (51:47.769)
Right, she'll get cut off. Yep.

Olivia (51:56.09)
Took it right back. Yeah.

Kelli (51:57.499)
Hmm.

Olivia (51:59.962)
Mm-hmm.

Olivia (52:05.935)
Yeah.

Kelli (52:06.288)
independent.

Olivia (52:08.846)
was just like Andy asking her, do you still see yourself marrying a girl in the future? And she didn't really give an answer. She was kind of just like, I end up with who I end up with. So I think that's kind of her just pulling it back.

Wendy (52:18.989)
Right.

Kelli (52:21.35)
Yeah.

Wendy (52:22.336)
Yeah, I do too. I think it's more about the finance.

Kelli (52:24.281)
I mean her too like she's clearly bi or fluid or whatever you want to call it mean she hooked up with the guy in bed not hooked up But you know she took the guy for in Vegas back to her room, so she's definitely attracted to men as well

Olivia (52:27.653)
Mm-hmm.

Olivia (52:33.08)
Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Wendy (52:38.638)
Then Andy brings up again about Will, that he's not here, and Emmy says that his mental health can't take it. What? Are you, wait, what? Come on. I mean, we are big mental health advocates on this show. We talk about it all the time, right? How important it is, how we can't ignore it. What about Emmy's mental health? Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me?

Olivia (52:54.016)
Yeah, it's ridiculous.

Olivia (53:05.847)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (53:09.189)
Yeah, he definitely sent her out there by herself. I mean, she had my goals there. I mean, none of them came at her heart. I'll tell you what, the reunion did not go the way I thought it was gonna go. I really thought that her and TJ were gonna go at it. But I bet you it would have been a different reunion had they not blown the whistle on the Bradley and TJ making up.

Olivia (53:13.845)
Yep. Yep.

Olivia (53:19.073)
Mm-mm.

Kelli (53:37.499)
the Trevor cheating story. I bet you it would have been more aggressive between those two.

Olivia (53:43.319)
Yeah, think Will probably thought it was gonna be a lot worse. So I think he just let, make Emmy look stupid and him be like, I wasn't there so I've, there's nothing on me kind of vibes, which no.

Wendy (53:50.894)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (53:54.715)
Yep. Yeah. Yeah, he sent her out there by herself. I didn't love that.

Olivia (53:59.511)
huh.

Wendy (54:00.266)
No, mean, Emmy said Will fucked up and he knows he fucked up. And Leva's telling her, Emmy, to stop carrying Will's stuff. Like stop being, you know, his keep. Like you don't have to protect him. And Emmy doesn't know where she stands with Brad and TJ. Well, I mean, I know where you stand. I mean, they're not your friend. You're not, like, that's where you stand.

Kelli (54:13.511)
Right.

Olivia (54:23.436)
Mm-mm.

Kelli (54:26.395)
Yeah.

Wendy (54:26.766)
I did think what Molly said was nice. Molly says to Emmy that she sees so much potential in her, because Molly and Emmy really didn't get along at all. And I think that that was nice of her to give her that grace, because Emmy can be something. And she's been standing in Will's shadow for so long. She needs to go out and flourish and be the best Emmy she can be.

Kelli (54:53.636)
Yeah, and like, listen, no shade to any stay-at-home mom because it is an incredibly difficult, difficult job. women do that, obviously, so that their children can benefit from it. And that's huge. That's something to truly be proud of. But when you're 25 and...

Wendy (55:01.709)
Right.

Kelli (55:18.831)
You should have aspirations. You shouldn't just be like, I'm gonna work here until he marries me and then I'm just gonna raise kids. I don't know. Maybe I sound like an asshole saying that. But I feel like she should want more right now. if you wanna be that stay at home mom in five years. Right now you have the potential to do anything you want. So do it and then in five years.

Wendy (55:33.134)
You

Kelli (55:48.704)
You you could say I did that and now I'm gonna stay home and raise my family.

Wendy (55:50.862)
Yeah.

Olivia (55:51.485)
Yeah.

Olivia (55:55.185)
I agree. think Ami just really needs to find herself. I think she's just trapped in this mindset of like, me and Will forever when it's like, that's not really reality. She needs to kind of like step out of the bubble.

Kelli (55:59.92)
Yeah.

Wendy (56:08.172)
I agree.

Kelli (56:09.913)
Yeah, and it's not, even if there were no cheating rumors, and even if he were the best guy on earth, there's still no guarantee. I mean, we've seen marriages break up, like, holy shit, they're getting divorced? Like, relationships you never expect it from.

Wendy (56:27.788)
Yeah, it happens. It happens. You know, it happens. But I just feel like as a woman, because that's what I am, so that's what I can speak on, you should never put all your eggs in someone else's basket. You should be able to stand on your own. And it's just that simple. I mean, she's a beautiful girl. She's got a head on her shoulders. She can do, she can stand on her own. And I don't think she thinks she can.

Olivia (56:28.05)
Yeah.

Kelli (56:29.913)
It happens.

Olivia (56:42.205)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (56:45.424)
Right.

Kelli (56:54.332)
Yeah.

Wendy (56:57.666)
So hopefully she comes back next season and whether she's with Will or not, I hope she's at least standing high and doing something for her.

Kelli (56:57.969)
Right.

Kelli (57:07.836)
Right.

Olivia (57:08.072)
Yeah, I agree. And I also feel like once you're in that mindset, like it's really hard for you to come out of it. Like when everybody is coming at you at once being like, you should break up with him. He's saying this, he's doing this. And like at the end of the day, Emmy's not going to listen to anybody except herself. So that's kind of like everyone else needs to just butt out, let her figure it out.

Kelli (57:29.679)
It's a natural reaction to get defensive of the person they're saying is betraying you. It's a natural reaction to just get def- it's like your kids. It's a natural reaction to get defensive if somebody says something about them.

Olivia (57:33.608)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (57:37.52)
definitely.

Wendy (57:46.688)
I agree.

Kelli (57:47.941)
So the more they come at her, the more defensive she's gonna get.

Olivia (57:50.009)
Yeah. And the more she's going to pull away and it's going to get worse. And especially not like TJ blowing up Will being like, I bet you F that girl, whatever. That he was like yelling in the face and he was like, he's going to bring you down. And I think not that I liked what he said, but I do think it's kind of true.

Wendy (57:51.095)
Yes, exactly.

Wendy (58:06.956)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (58:11.099)
Yeah, I hope not.

Olivia (58:14.406)
Yeah.

Wendy (58:14.892)
I guess we're gonna have to wait and see for season four. We'll have to wait and see what happens.

Kelli (58:19.557)
Yeah, but this was a great season. This was a good season. This is a great show. It's clearly the new Vanderpump rules.

Olivia (58:22.2)
It was a good season.

Olivia (58:26.342)
Yes, and I'm like, Andy, give him an actual reunion. Not on the, yeah, watch what happens live. Yeah.

Kelli (58:28.209)
Build that void.

Yes. Watch what happens live. Exactly. Yeah. No, you're absolutely right. They needed a real reunion.

Wendy (58:31.36)
Yes. At the clubhouse. Yeah.

Olivia (58:37.882)
They need an actual, yeah. Like I want a three part fight reunion, all hashing out. I mean with them, I know. Well, we need longer episodes, but with them, like I could watch a three part reunion and just eat it up. Especially with Grace Lilly, I can't. Yeah, just, yeah, one episode, yeah. Ugh.

Wendy (58:44.014)
I don't know about three parts. It was only 10 episodes.

Kelli (58:46.302)
I don't know if getting three bars. Yeah.

Kelli (58:55.205)
Yeah.

Kelli (58:58.715)
Yeah, just give her her whole episode to herself. You think Vanderpump Rules is really gonna come back with an all new cast? That's what they're saying, huh?

Wendy (59:08.151)
Yeah.

Olivia (59:08.838)
I think so, yeah. But it's not gonna be the same. It's not, no. mm-hmm. Yeah, no. I just wish, like, I don't know. I don't know what they're gonna do. I hope it's good.

Kelli (59:12.709)
It's not gonna be the same. We're gonna be comparing it to everybody else and yeah.

Kelli (59:24.113)
They should just put Lisa Vanderpump back on Beverly Hills. They really should at this point put her back on. Kyle can decide if she wants to stay or go, she's gonna stay. Put her back on and let her play with all of them.

Olivia (59:27.29)
They should. They should. Yeah.

Olivia (59:34.36)
Yeah.

Wendy (59:38.638)
think Lisa would go back on. You do? I don't think she would.

Kelli (59:40.389)
I do.

Olivia (59:42.916)
I recently saw a video of her, I mean that's true, but I feel like with Beverly Hills, I'm not too sure though. Cause she did say when pigs fly, she'll go back on. And I don't know. I think it'd be really cool if she did though. I honestly want Lisa Renna back. Let's bring her back. She was funny.

Kelli (59:43.193)
I think Lisa just wants to be on TV.

Wendy (59:53.602)
Yeah, I don't think so well.

Kelli (59:55.75)
I think she

Wendy (59:57.058)
I don't think so.

Kelli (59:59.879)
I do too. I do too. Because I've said it before, I'll say it again. I think every single thing Lisa Rinna said about Kathy Richard or Kathy Hilton was 100 % true. And I think that Kathy somehow got it shut down. And when Lisa Rinna found out, she was like, F you to Bravo. You're not gonna show any of that. You have proof right there and you're not gonna show it. I'm out.

Wendy (01:00:11.565)
Nilton.

Olivia (01:00:12.002)
Hilton, yeah.

Olivia (01:00:19.448)
Mm-hmm.

Olivia (01:00:28.461)
Yeah.

Kelli (01:00:28.68)
I think Lisa quit because of that. So I say bring Rinna back.

Wendy (01:00:31.608)
Well, she did quit. She did quit. She won't come back.

Olivia (01:00:31.651)
yeah. Well I think they're all afraid of Cathy.

Kelli (01:00:36.21)
they're all afraid of Cathy. It drives me crazy. Even Erica Jane now, who I never thought would be, I think she is too. She's drinking the Kool-Aid at least. Maybe she's not scared, but she's drinking the Kool-Aid.

Olivia (01:00:37.388)
Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yes! Yes!

Yeah, I have to say I really like Erika though. I never, didn't, I wasn't a big fan in the past, but recently this season with Dorit and stuff, I'm, I'm really liking her.

Kelli (01:00:48.327)
I'll be sure.

Kelli (01:00:54.831)
She's coming back. Like I think it was hard to like her when she was kind of playing victim when everything was going down with her husband. It's like, all right, come on. You were wearing the million dollar earrings. mean, you know, but I think she's making a good comeback.

Olivia (01:01:03.883)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Olivia (01:01:12.962)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (01:01:15.95)
All right, so we're gonna have to wait and see what happens on next season. It was great having you on Olivia. If you wanna come on and talk about any other Bravo shows, just send me a text and we'll get you on because we talk about them all. Have you watched Denise Richards yet?

Kelli (01:01:22.031)
Yeah.

Olivia (01:01:22.774)
Thank you guys.

All right.

Olivia (01:01:31.55)
No, I haven't, which I'm actually curious to see how that is.

Kelli (01:01:35.623)
I haven't watched it either yet.

Wendy (01:01:35.778)
All right, well, I watched it. So you two watch it, and then if you're interested in talking about it, shoot over a text and we'll make it happen. Okay. All right. Until next time, thank you for watching and listening to We Wine Whenever. Bye.

Olivia (01:01:44.096)
I'd love to. I'll let you know. Yeah.

Kelli (01:01:46.257)
Yeah. All right.

Kelli (01:01:51.729)
Bye.

Olivia (01:01:52.242)
Bye!