RHOBH S14E13 Recap: Caviar, Caftans & Catfights!

 RHOBH S14E13 Recap: Caviar, Caftans & Catfights! 

Opening Scenes:

• Dorit Kemsley enjoys a basketball session with her son, Jager.
• Garcelle Beauvais has a meeting with her Executive Producer.
• Erika Jayne chats with her mom while receiving more furniture deliveries.

Jennifer Tilley’s Caviar Kaspia Party:

• Jennifer Tilley hosts a luxurious caviar and caftan party but admits she chooses caviar based on price, assuming the most expensive must be the best.
• Sutton Stracke reveals she wants to date a billionaire—despite being wealthy herself—because she wants to be spoiled.
• Kyle Richards has a vulnerable session with her therapist, discussing her heartbreak over Mauricio Umansky moving on.

Boz’s Fertility Journey:

• At 48 years old, Boz consults a fertility specialist to determine her chances of pregnancy.
• She learns she has four viable eggs, an encouraging number for her age.

Caviar Kaspia Party Turns Chaotic:

• Sutton shades Dorit for choosing cheap caviar.
• Kyle struggles with her emotions and uncertainty about her future.
• Erika, Garcelle, and Kathy Hilton arrive in glamorous caftans—while Dorit misses the dress code.
• Sutton confronts Dorit about past accusations regarding her drinking, leading to an explosive fight.
• Sutton takes a personal jab at Dorit’s finances, boasting about her own wealth.
• Jennifer Tilley worries about a full-blown caviar food fight breaking out.

Mauricio’s Greece Scandal Shocks the Group:

• A Daily Mail article surfaces showing Mauricio Umansky in Greece with another woman.
• The RHOBH cast speculates whether the paparazzi shots were staged for publicity.

WWHL Poll Results – Fans Weigh In!

• Who won the Sutton vs. Dorit fight? Sutton (56%) vs. Dorit (43%).
• Who has the biggest wallet? Jennifer Tilley (55%).
• Did Mauricio stage the paparazzi shoot? Yes (54%) vs. No (46%).
• How much do viewers love caftans? Rated 6/10.
• Were Crystal’s infamous leather pants ugly? No (63%) vs. Yes (36%).

Transcript

Wendy (00:00.846)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever, I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:03.778)
I'm Kelly.

We Wine Whenever (00:04.625)
and I'm Lori.

Wendy (00:06.21)
We are talking about Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, Season 14, Episode Number 13, The Caviar Catastrophe.

We Wine Whenever (00:15.528)
That's what it was. That's what it was.

Kelli (00:15.692)
Is that what it was called?

Wendy (00:17.056)
Yes, I think that was very appropriate.

We Wine Whenever (00:21.478)
A catastrophe.

Kelli (00:21.581)
It took a left.

Wendy (00:23.062)
Yeah, we start out, we watch Dorit playing basketball with Jagger. Garcelle's talking to her executive producer and Erica's on the phone with her mom while she's getting furniture delivered. So I guess her mom is coming for next week's episode. So we'll get to see that. Jennifer Tilly shows up at Caviar Caspia, because that's where she's having her caviar and caftan party.

And it turns out that she was there for the very first time in London after Fashion Week, because that's where they've originated caviar, caspia. In London, yes. Wait a second, is it London or is it Paris? Hold on one second. I think you might be right. Yes, it is Paris. I misspoke. It is Paris.

Kelli (01:00.406)
in London and then they came to LA.

We Wine Whenever (01:04.69)
Don't they have one in Paris also?

I think it's Paris.

Kelli (01:16.332)
Okay, so they had that one first and then they opened in LA. Got

Wendy (01:20.16)
Yes. she doesn't really know, Jennifer admits she doesn't really know much about caviar, so she just orders the most expensive one on the menu. And that's...

Kelli (01:29.668)
I'm gonna say fish eggs, that's a good bet. Order the most expensive, it's probably the most fresh.

We Wine Whenever (01:34.172)
Yeah. Now, let's just do this. Do you like caviar, Kelly? Really? Wendy, do you like caviar? Have you ever had it? I've had it. I don't like it. I don't like it. don't like the... Yeah, like the texture of it. It's like tapioca. It freaked me out.

Kelli (01:40.196)
I've never had caviar in my life. Swear to God.

Wendy (01:44.824)
Ditto, never had it, never had it.

Kelli (01:49.804)
Now Bill loves it, right? Okay.

Wendy (01:51.49)
Bill loves it, Consistency.

Kelli (01:55.416)
texture.

We Wine Whenever (02:00.528)
And it's so like, don't, and I've had very good caviar. I still don't like it. I just don't like

Kelli (02:05.846)
I wonder if I would like it on potato chips because I love potato chips.

Wendy (02:10.518)
Yeah, or on a baked potato maybe, because that seems to be the thing, right?

We Wine Whenever (02:10.524)
Well.

Kelli (02:13.12)
Right, right, yeah. Yeah, I just never, like I don't like anchovies. If I order a Greek salad, I order it without the fish. I don't like a very anchovy Caesar salad, but I love sushi. I don't wanna, the fresh, I like the fresh. I don't know if I'd like it.

We Wine Whenever (02:30.214)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (02:36.876)
Right. Well, I was glad to learn though that the little orange ball ones are the least expensive. So I do know that if I ever try it, I will not be trying those. Which, mean, honestly, yeah, because they don't look appetizing to begin with, right? Yes.

We Wine Whenever (02:46.662)
You will not be trying those. Yes, okay. So now we know.

Kelli (02:48.269)
Okay.

We Wine Whenever (02:52.673)
None of it looks appetizing to begin with. No. No, no, no.

Kelli (02:54.338)
It does not look appetizing. It does not look appetizing.

Wendy (02:59.342)
So then Sutton meets her up there, meets up with her, know, caviar, Caspian. And I guess Jennifer had just gotten back from the Dolce & Gabbana fashion show, and she bought Sutton a little gift there, which was nice.

Kelli (03:11.854)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (03:11.876)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (03:16.6)
Yeah, she's a good gift giver. Yeah.

Wendy (03:18.304)
She really is. She really is. And they're sitting down chatting a little bit and Sutton announces that she wants to find herself a billionaire. She has her own money, which she does, but she wants someone who's going to spoil her. And listen, I don't blame her. mean, we all should find herself a billionaire.

Kelli (03:36.322)
Yeah, I'll play more.

Kelli (03:40.42)
or least somebody who can spoil you. I don't think they necessarily have to be a billionaire, but somebody who wants to do nice things for you.

We Wine Whenever (03:40.562)
Well, I don't-

Wendy (03:42.004)
Yes. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (03:48.326)
Well, as Jennifer Tilly nicely pointed out to her, I don't think her husband did that bad of a job when they were happily married of spoiling her. So it's not like something that she's never encountered before.

Wendy (03:58.388)
Right, no, he definitely... Exactly.

Kelli (04:04.6)
Right. Yeah, she's not trying to make up for the lack of. She just wants to continue that kind of, that's okay.

Wendy (04:05.4)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (04:08.44)
No. Yeah. Yeah, that's okay.

Wendy (04:11.406)
Yeah, once you get used to it, right? So then Sutton is filling Jennifer in on what happened at Dorit's Fourth of July party because she wasn't there. And she lets her know that she has not seen her since that either. So her first time seeing her is going to be at Jennifer's party, which usually doesn't go well.

Kelli (04:13.26)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (04:29.88)
Nope.

We Wine Whenever (04:30.288)
No. But they plan it that way.

Kelli (04:33.655)
Yes, they do.

Wendy (04:34.314)
Yeah, I mean, they definitely do. Then we see Kyle's at her house and her therapist slash life coach shows up. That's nice. Yeah. I mean, I have a therapist, but.

Kelli (04:45.848)
Yeah. Yeah, that'd be nice.

We Wine Whenever (04:45.96)
I want one of those.

We Wine Whenever (04:50.63)
Yes, but I like the therapist slash life coach that comes to your house. mean, that's, probably on call and the whole thing.

Wendy (04:53.258)
Life coach, you're it.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's good service.

We Wine Whenever (05:01.778)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (05:01.87)
I think it's very clear what's going on with Kyle and Mo now. Something happened. Something triggered the separation. And he thought that she was just gonna get over it because she probably has in the past. And she didn't. And he didn't fight for her and didn't say, can't, know, no, I'm not leaving. We're gonna work through this. We're gonna do whatever we have to do.

We Wine Whenever (05:17.276)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (05:30.946)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And you know, at this point, I wonder how much of Kyle's marriage is that she is in love or loves Mauricio still and how much of it is so wrapped up in her identity. You know, like she said that she's been married for, you know, all this time and she sees that as her biglish, excuse me, biggest accomplishment. So it's...

Kelli (05:31.075)
And he left.

We Wine Whenever (06:00.186)
It becomes this weird kind of thing like...

Kelli (06:03.426)
No, I agree with you because if he's been a habitual cheater, which at this point I'm starting to think he has been, you can't still love him the way you loved him when you first got married, if he's done this multiple times. I'm sure you still love him and you could even still be in love with him, but your feelings of him have changed because somebody can't continue to hurt you like that.

We Wine Whenever (06:19.42)
Right.

Kelli (06:32.204)
and you keep feeling the same way about them. There's hurt there. So you have to acknowledge that hurt.

We Wine Whenever (06:35.762)
Right.

Wendy (06:39.03)
It's funny because I really don't see it that way. just, I don't, I don't see it that way. don't, I don't see it's that he was a habitual cheater. I think that, you know, she was used to having him around when she needed him. And it goes back to when her friend died by suicide, he wasn't there for her emotionally, physically and emotionally.

We Wine Whenever (06:41.714)
Thank

Kelli (06:59.844)
Hmm.

Wendy (07:06.894)
And I think that she's just so used to having him there for her because what she's talking about with the therapist is this is the first summer that she's gonna spend not as a family, you know? And of course she's in high school, so that's a big deal, you know? And that's a big change in her life. And she did say she expected that they would be separated and that he would go sow his oats and do what he wanted to do and then come back.

Kelli (07:18.467)
Yeah.

Kelli (07:22.039)
Yeah.

Kelli (07:36.068)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (07:36.514)
But now she feels like that that's not gonna happen. And her therapist asked, like, what makes you feel worse that, you know, that he didn't care enough about you? And she says, yeah, not so much that he, right, not so much, like, I don't really think it was about the cheating. I think it was about the emotional support that she didn't get from him. I, you know, I think that, because honestly, like,

Kelli (07:50.22)
Yeah, he didn't fight with it, fight for her.

Wendy (08:06.19)
We've seen pictures of Mo out before but we've never gotten the name of anybody like that stuff would be all over the place

Kelli (08:13.508)
No, I think they've paid people off. I'm telling you that scene early, early, early seasons at one of their white parties where she ripped some woman off of him and was like, don't try to dance with my husband. I was like, whoa. You don't have that kind of behavior. If some woman tried to start dancing with Eric, if we were out or at a party, I would laugh, but I don't wanna, I would think it was funny.

Wendy (08:35.841)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (08:38.716)
I think it was funny. Yeah, I think it was funny.

Kelli (08:42.926)
But if I had a husband who had a wandering eye, I would not think it was funny. Her reaction leads me to believe that there were some indiscretions. I don't know, I could be wrong. I'm sure what you're saying is true as well though, right? Like I think both can be true.

We Wine Whenever (08:47.558)
You would not think it was funny. Yeah.

Wendy (08:58.689)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (08:58.982)
Right, that's what I was going to say. I'm sure that both can be true. Because even like the therapist said, they never got around to the messy conversations. I think that they just existed on this.

Wendy (09:02.496)
Right.

Kelli (09:03.852)
Yeah.

Kelli (09:09.528)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (09:14.332)
you know, let's keep it good playing for so long that.

I don't know.

Kelli (09:21.932)
And we all do that in our marriage to a certain degree, you know? Plus the money's flowing over there, so what do they have to worry about?

We Wine Whenever (09:24.196)
absolutely. Absolutely. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (09:31.156)
Right. And you think just because there's money that makes everything okay, but as we can see, that's not always the case, right?

Kelli (09:31.628)
You know?

We Wine Whenever (09:36.301)
No, that's not always the case,

Kelli (09:36.414)
Right. But it helps to avoid certain conversations and when you know you could do whatever you can, whatever you want for your kids, like your kids are never going to want for anything. So that's one thing off the table you're to argue about.

We Wine Whenever (09:41.222)
Yes, it helps.

Wendy (09:49.962)
Right, right.

We Wine Whenever (09:50.704)
Right. Right. There's really not money arguments. Do have because that's how it is. Yeah. I just thought it was interesting how I just, I just feel like from her comments that,

Kelli (09:54.476)
Right, right, which most couples, you know, that's, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (10:08.636)
you know, for her being married was a big deal and a big accomplishment for her. And I think that she has to kind of work at separating.

We Wine Whenever (10:23.89)
her actual relationship with Maurizio to her marriage to Maurizio. Because they can be two things and the same thing at the same time and be like weirdly tied to it. Do you understand what I'm trying to say? Or am making no sense?

Kelli (10:37.526)
Yeah, and I think, no, I get that. And I also think that, and not that I don't think she's comparing herself to Cathy, but being that Cathy and Rick have been married for so long, and it really does seem like they are solid. You know, she's going to aspire to do that. And for all this time, she was doing that. So it's like grieving a loss of someone.

We Wine Whenever (10:46.588)
for so long,

We Wine Whenever (10:50.876)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (11:03.76)
Yeah, who's still there. As she said. Right, as she said.

Wendy (11:05.44)
Right, who's still there? Right. I mean, she also said that Mo is an emotional person, but yet she doesn't see him being emotional right now, so she feels like he's just ignoring it. And I think that that is true. I think he is just ignoring it, because I felt like when we saw them at the shooting range, you know, he was a little bit more vulnerable, like when it was just the two of them. Like we saw a scene where you could see that

Kelli (11:05.473)
Right.

Kelli (11:30.743)
Yeah.

Wendy (11:35.788)
You know, he was, I felt like that was the first time I'd really see him feeling it, that they, you know what I'm saying?

Kelli (11:41.452)
Yeah. Well, she got very emotional, so if he didn't, I mean, that would have been pretty cold. To see her react the way she reacted and to not get emotional over that, that's your wife?

We Wine Whenever (11:42.738)
Yeah, yeah.

Wendy (11:49.846)
Yeah, no.

Yeah.

Yeah, no, I totally agree. totally agree. Next we see Bo's is arranging flowers in her house and the doorbell rings and it is her doctor, Dr. Cindy, and her fertility team comes to the house. So she said she's used to having all of her services done at home, her nails, her hair. So you might as well have your doctors come to the house too.

We Wine Whenever (12:19.346)
Minus one.

Kelli (12:19.488)
I love that she said that. She's like, my waxer even comes to my house. Why wouldn't I have my fertility doctor? I'm like, little bit of a difference, but we see your point, Bose.

Wendy (12:21.366)
Yeah!

We Wine Whenever (12:25.126)
I love it.

Wendy (12:25.496)
Right?

Wendy (12:30.294)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So she starts explaining a little bit of the history to the doctor. know, she's 48 and you know, what she's trying to accomplish and Keely's not there yet, but he arrives a little bit into the appointment. She wants to know if she has any eggs, you know, if this is something that she can achieve at this age or if it's something that she should just say, you know, I can't do this.

So the doctor gets out the ultrasound machine and she starts checking and she said usually by the age of 45, you have a less than 2 % chance of having a spontaneous pregnancy.

Kelli (13:13.72)
Less than 2%.

We Wine Whenever (13:15.026)
Yeah

Wendy (13:15.99)
Yeah, which is nothing really. But she does say that she has four eggs and for her age that's good. So, you know, that's a good sign.

Kelli (13:18.572)
Nothing.

We Wine Whenever (13:19.176)
Yeah, I think.

Kelli (13:30.104)
I wonder if they're gonna wind up doing a surrogate. I feel like that's probably the smartest thing, right? Just given the fact that what she goes on to say about her history of pregnancies.

We Wine Whenever (13:35.068)
I think that would be the smartest thing.

Wendy (13:41.324)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (13:41.456)
Yeah, and we learned that her daughter was preterm also, which I didn't know until she said it.

Kelli (13:47.85)
Yeah, and she lost one prior to that.

We Wine Whenever (13:50.793)
Right, but I didn't know that her living daughter was preterm also until she sat at the show.

Kelli (13:54.646)
Yeah. Yeah, so I don't know if she should put that stress on her body. And risk, God forbid.

Wendy (13:56.087)
Right.

Wendy (14:02.316)
Right, right. So I guess, you know, she's in the exploring stages and finding out what's, you what's possible for her.

Kelli (14:10.412)
Yeah, or adopting.

Wendy (14:12.724)
Yeah, but I think he wants his own. I mean, I...

Kelli (14:14.904)
Yeah.

Kelli (14:18.596)
Adapting is always good.

Wendy (14:20.054)
Yeah, no, I agree. Sometimes men aren't as much into that as women.

We Wine Whenever (14:25.148)
Yeah, sometimes men have an issue with that.

Kelli (14:27.382)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (14:29.474)
I'm not saying Keely does, I'm just saying in general, yeah.

Kelli (14:31.584)
In general, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (14:31.942)
Yes, yes.

Wendy (14:35.086)
Then we see the ladies are all getting ready for the caviar caspia party. And Sutton in her confessional is shading Dorit by calling her poor Rit and getting the cheap caviar. Now that was not necessary, but you know what? did think it was funny. It was funny. Poor Rit. Well, that's it.

Kelli (14:51.748)
It's not a good look for her though, it's really not. Because let's break it down. What did you do to earn that money, Sutton?

We Wine Whenever (15:01.48)
Big fat nothing.

Kelli (15:03.396)
Yeah. All right, you held down the house, you raised your children. We're all doing that. We're not all getting a $300,000 check every month.

Wendy (15:04.236)
You married well. You married well. Yep.

Wendy (15:13.784)
Yeah.

Kelli (15:15.16)
Some people may argue with that, but I stand by it.

Wendy (15:18.794)
No, listen, I agree. just think it's interesting that, you know, we've never heard Sutton talk about money like this before. And I don't know why. mean, and she says, I guess she probably said her confessional, she probably did her confessional after the wallet thing. It's just interesting that all of a sudden in the same episode, we're getting all these money references and we'd never, yeah.

Kelli (15:26.989)
No.

We Wine Whenever (15:39.388)
Yes, a lot of money references.

Kelli (15:39.64)
Yeah. And listen, I get it. And I can go low if somebody comes at me says certain, yeah, I can go low. And I get that she's coming off of last season where Dorit really did insinuate she had a drinking problem. She did. So I get it. It's just, doesn't, it's not landing. It doesn't look good. For some reason it's just, I, know, I can go low. It's just not landing.

Wendy (15:56.578)
Yeah.

Wendy (16:03.286)
No, it doesn't.

Wendy (16:11.118)
Then on the way to the party, and Jareet are talking and then they're, Bose is suggesting that maybe she should talk to Sutton and find out about her trip to Georgia and just get talking to her about something other than the alcohol issue, right? And I think that was good, solid advice, but as you see when she gets there, she doesn't really follow that advice.

We Wine Whenever (16:37.8)
Didn't take it.

Kelli (16:40.43)
She does not heed that advice.

Wendy (16:41.038)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (16:44.008)
Did you see when Jennifer almost face planted now this episode? Last time it was Garcella. was like, what's up with the tripping? Yeah.

Wendy (16:49.685)
Where? I missed it! Where did she-

Kelli (16:51.874)
walking into the Caviar, Caspia, yeah. Maybe, I think she tripped over her cap, Dan.

Wendy (16:54.156)
Caviarcasbia? Okay.

We Wine Whenever (16:56.486)
Yeah. She did.

Wendy (16:59.63)
yeah. You know, that's the problem with those calf dance is they're very trippy. They're very trippy though.

We Wine Whenever (17:02.832)
I love a Capitan though.

Kelli (17:05.698)
Yeah, I think we need to have a kaftan something, lunch something.

We Wine Whenever (17:11.258)
I love a caftan, just like I love a moomo.

Kelli (17:12.736)
I wish I had, my father's mother, we called her Mama Lois, my father's mother, and my father's parents traveled all over the world. And that's where she wore, she wore calf dance and she had them from all over the world. And I have, we have no idea where they are, where they went.

We Wine Whenever (17:24.86)
She knew.

Wendy (17:31.343)
that's sad.

Kelli (17:32.278)
Yeah. Yeah. you would have loved them. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (17:33.458)
Dang, I would have sported him.

Wendy (17:39.406)
So then we see the lady start arriving. Erica arrives and I thought hers was a beautiful pink caftan. Yeah, mine too. Erica's.

We Wine Whenever (17:45.22)
I loved hers. have that written down. Hers was my favorite. Erica's caftan was beautiful.

Kelli (17:48.366)
Whose was it? yeah. Erica looks great because I think she was on Ozempic, which is fine. And I think it went a little too far at some point. But now I think she must be like maintaining it or something. She looks great. Yeah, she looks good.

We Wine Whenever (18:04.442)
And then back to our final little, yeah.

Wendy (18:06.894)
I think she looks great too. I think if we do have a Kaftan party, we're going to have to find a petite one for me because otherwise I will be tripping over it and it will just look ridiculous. You do? You do?

We Wine Whenever (18:15.9)
Yes, you'll be tripping over.

Kelli (18:17.32)
you'll definitely be trying. You're gonna have to go see Mona and get that thing hemmed.

We Wine Whenever (18:22.086)
Well, listen, who does all the sewing around here? you go bring it, bring it, bring it to me. Yeah, nevermind mom.

Kelli (18:27.075)
that's true. You just go across the street and see Lori. Never mind Mona.

Wendy (18:29.814)
Okay.

Kelli (18:33.06)
You won't be needing your services.

Wendy (18:34.574)
So Garcelle and Jennifer are in blue and then Cathy shows up with Faye Resnick and Cathy's wearing the lemon caftan. Faye is wearing blue also. Okay, so let's hear what you have to say about Faye Resnick. Well, she's a friend of theirs. There was...

Kelli (18:43.268)
Don't even get me started on Fevresnik, I have so much to say.

Kelli (18:50.338)
Why is she there?

I'm so tired stop trying to make fae resnick happen you've been trying since season one fae resnick is not happening nobody likes her she is so uninteresting and whatever she says whatever moment the producers choose to give her is is nothing it's a nothing moment

We Wine Whenever (19:12.594)
I love it.

Wendy (19:14.606)
You are having a Faye Resnick hate party right now.

Kelli (19:19.446)
I can't stand the woman.

We Wine Whenever (19:22.65)
And I was the one who said pre-podcast that I was cranky today.

Wendy (19:26.734)
Exactly. Well, maybe if we knew, Faye Resnick would trigger her.

Kelli (19:27.181)
I know.

We Wine Whenever (19:30.48)
I rubbed rock. Yeah, who knew?

Kelli (19:32.43)
certain things. I can't stand her and they keep trying to make her happen. It's not happening.

Wendy (19:38.52)
think they're trying to make her happy. She is a friend. She's a friend. She's friends with Kyle. She's friends with Kathy. They've been friends for years. They're friends. There was a lot of

Kelli (19:41.14)
No, they're trying to make her happen.

Kelli (19:45.902)
Get her off the screen. What did she say? She made a comment about that she drinks as much as sun. Like it didn't, it doesn't land. It's, it's not.

Wendy (19:55.347)
Nothing she said was going to land for you.

Kelli (19:57.22)
No, it wasn't. I can't look Faye Resnick. Somebody put it on a social media post. Like, stop trying to make Faye happen. It's not happening. I'm like, I could not agree with you more. I've been trying not to comment. I did, I found a friend.

We Wine Whenever (19:57.734)
No, no.

We Wine Whenever (20:07.942)
There you go. Kelly's not a friend.

Wendy (20:13.09)
Really? Oof. So Dorit shows up in not a caftan. And she said she didn't read the invite right, but it did say caviar and caftans. And in her confessional, she admitted that she didn't really like them. So she wasn't wearing a caftan. I mean, does Chanel not make caftans?

We Wine Whenever (20:19.144)
Yeah, I didn't get that.

We Wine Whenever (20:23.976)
Hmm.

Kelli (20:31.406)
She wasn't wearing a cap, Dan. She knew well, she was well aware of what was going on.

We Wine Whenever (20:36.904)
She shoulda not, she shouldn'ta went then. Cause come on, that's a theme. If I have a theme something, don't fuck it up. Don't, if Lionel Bayid is something.

Kelli (20:38.072)
Guess not.

Kelli (20:43.63)
Yeah, I'm not a big theme person, but if I get invited to a theme something, I'm gonna do it or I'm not gonna go.

We Wine Whenever (20:49.414)
Right. Well, that's what I'm saying. I'm saying if I have a theme thing, you better follow it or don't come. Because don't mess up my theme shit. So there you go. There's my cranky. Very aggressive today.

Kelli (20:55.597)
or come correct.

Right. Yeah. I back you on that.

Wendy (21:02.446)
All right, you guys are both very passionate today. What is with you two? So Jennifer had place cards where everyone was to sit and thank goodness. And I also noted that she had a lot of her friends there too. So there's many other women there that were not Beverly Hills housewives. But Fay was sitting at the opposite end of the table of Jennifer and she did feel the need to yell down the table that it was fabulous that she was nominated for an Academy Award.

Kelli (21:05.112)
Wendy's like, get me off this fucking podcast already.

We Wine Whenever (21:07.612)
Very grass of today.

Wendy (21:32.91)
And a very long time ago in 1995, which I thought that was a little odd.

Kelli (21:36.26)
Exactly.

We Wine Whenever (21:39.794)
Wait, wait, didn't she do it? Didn't she spring that up though amongst the rubble? Like, did she bring that up to... Okay. Okay.

Kelli (21:45.452)
No, no, that was the other nonsensical thing she said. She brought that up amongst the rubble. No.

Wendy (21:46.642)
No, no. Yeah, no, no, no. And then Erica jumped in and said, or was she the, cause her sister was also nominated. And they're like, I didn't even know you had a sister. And if she, if her and her sister were the only sisters nominated, or if it was also Olivia and Joan Fontaine. And we find out that they have also, I have no idea who Olivia or Joan Fontaine is. you? Well, I don't, I don't even care. I really don't care.

We Wine Whenever (22:12.252)
Yep. Yep.

Kelli (22:12.292)
Me too. I'm gonna look it up though.

We Wine Whenever (22:16.88)
wait, wait, wait. You know who I wanted to look up and I never got a chance to? Jennifer Tilly was saying when she was first talking about the, no, the invitation to come to the party, she was saying, channel something Getty.

Wendy (22:27.916)
Share.

Wendy (22:39.192)
Something getty.

We Wine Whenever (22:39.41)
Talitha Getty. That's what she said. I wanted to look her up. Yeah.

Wendy (22:43.245)
Okay.

Kelli (22:43.288)
I didn't even catch that. I did catch the share thing,

Wendy (22:46.452)
Yeah. So then Jennifer says that they were the only two Chinese American people that have been nominated.

Kelli (22:52.708)
didn't know she was Chinese, part Chinese. Yeah, amazing.

We Wine Whenever (22:54.674)
And now we do!

Wendy (22:54.878)
I had no idea. I really had no idea. She said she's half Chinese. Her dad was Chinese and I thought, maybe she's related to Kathy Hilton.

Kelli (23:04.248)
For sure, there's gotta be some bloodline there.

We Wine Whenever (23:07.984)
Okay, so wait a second. So what she's talking about is Talitha Deena Getty. She was a Dutch actress, socialite, and model who was regarded as the style icon of the 1960s. And she was, yes, she did. She was closely associated with the Moroccan city of Marrakesh. that's who, yes, that's who Jennifer Tilley said.

Kelli (23:23.044)
Did she wear calf pants?

Wendy (23:25.538)
Okay.

Kelli (23:31.126)
well, that's the Kaftan Mecha.

Wendy (23:31.224)
Okay, well that explains it.

We Wine Whenever (23:37.274)
everyone was supposed to channel who they were supposed to have in mind when they came up with their absolutely yes

Kelli (23:41.998)
So had Dorit done her paid attention, she would have known.

Wendy (23:46.39)
Yes, absolutely. Then Sutton asked for an ice cube in French. Did you pick that up? And then she says, I don't know who I'm going to be today. And then she looks over at Bose and asks her how many people are in her today. And Bose is like, what are you talking about?

We Wine Whenever (23:54.152)
yeah.

Kelli (24:06.18)
Fuck you talking about. But you know why Sutton said that? Because Dorit said it to her earlier. Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (24:07.364)
but

Wendy (24:09.038)
If you had said, never know what's up and I'm going to get.

We Wine Whenever (24:11.4)
Right. Right. And Bob said, girl won myself. That's great. That was in her confession. That's so fun.

Kelli (24:17.107)
Exactly. Exactly.

Wendy (24:18.232)
Yeah.

Wendy (24:22.594)
So then Sutton starts in with, know, I'm gonna say something. I came to your house for a Fourth of July party. I came in very calm. I came in peace. I waited, and as soon as Kyle got there, you came down and then you took my handbag.

We Wine Whenever (24:40.028)
Did you see how the producers did the echo of hello, hello, hello?

Kelli (24:40.622)
So.

Kelli (24:45.326)
So this is what I'm thinking, because remember last week I was like, you walk in, nobody's there, go outside. I guarantee you. Now, after she said what she said about you didn't come down until Kyle got there, I bet you the producers told Sutton, in and wait. And Sutton probably thought they were gonna send Dorit down and they didn't. And they probably didn't send her down until Kyle got there.

Wendy (24:45.88)
Yes.

Wendy (24:51.523)
Right.

Wendy (25:07.287)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (25:07.656)
I'm perp.

Wendy (25:11.544)
Right.

Kelli (25:12.792)
So I had a different perspective on it after she said, you didn't come down until Kyle got there. Because the producers knew something was there. The producers knew something was sitting and waiting.

We Wine Whenever (25:19.304)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (25:24.536)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (25:25.136)
And Dorit looked so uncomfortable, like when everyone came in and she stood up, when everyone got to the restaurant and Dorit stood up and she was like smoothing her skirt down and she just looked really uncomfortable. was just something I... Or maybe she was thinking, yeah. Or maybe she was thinking, you know, I thought I was going to be clever and not wear one, but now I just look like a dick.

Wendy (25:40.078)
Well, because she realized she wasn't in the caftan and everyone else was.

Kelli (25:43.766)
Yeah, and she probably knew what was going to go down at the table.

Kelli (25:53.656)
Boy, yeah.

Wendy (25:54.894)
Yeah, that could be it.

We Wine Whenever (25:55.27)
It'll be that.

Wendy (25:59.764)
And Dorit says, that was a little humor taking the handbag. And Sutton said, was it humor? I came with politeness. I brought you champagne. I cut flowers from my garden. I held on for 30 minutes in your lobby. She called it a lobby. And then we sit down and I get the watermelon drink and you say, your friend is asking if there's vodka in it. When I watched you put vodka in your Coca-Cola.

Kelli (26:15.21)
She called the lobby.

Wendy (26:29.504)
Okay, touche. I didn't see that. And then she brings up how last year you insinuated I had a drinking problem. And then Doreen said, well, am I the only one that insinuated that? She said, no, Kyle did too, but she has apologized to me and you we've moved on. You haven't even acknowledged it. And Doreen said, whoa, I didn't apologize and said, says, I wasn't gonna let you perpetuate the myth, which is what you wanted.

We Wine Whenever (26:30.439)
Okay.

Kelli (26:31.716)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (26:56.544)
and needed to do. Like you wanted to perpetuate the myth that I was, you know, an alcoholic or I had a drinking problem.

Kelli (27:03.14)
So when Dorit said, I didn't apologize, they flash back to the reunion, which I can't believe that was the last reunion with her squiggy hair. I didn't realize that was last reunion, but they flash back and she does not apologize. She clearly does not apologize. So if that's what she's thinking was her apology, she didn't apologize.

We Wine Whenever (27:11.176)
Maybe I a little squeaky curl.

Wendy (27:12.663)
Yeah.

Wendy (27:19.904)
No, she didn't. No.

We Wine Whenever (27:19.974)
No, she does not. No.

Wendy (27:25.834)
No. She didn't. She didn't.

We Wine Whenever (27:25.928)
All

Wendy (27:32.0)
And then that's when she said to pick on somebody else whose wallet fits. And all of sudden you see.

We Wine Whenever (27:40.774)
Which, listen, I'd rather be poor. I'd rather be poor. Because I think that's really sad that Sutton thinks that her worth is in her wallet. I know she just said it to like dig a dory and everything, but sometimes things that you say, mean, reflect back on you, not the other person. So.

Kelli (28:04.546)
Not the other person. And that is 100 % the case with this. Dorit looks like a fucking hero now because Sutton said that.

Wendy (28:06.341)
definitely.

Wendy (28:14.05)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (28:14.064)
Yeah, that was even I even her buddy Garcelle is like, whoa.

Kelli (28:18.432)
Exactly. And Kyle was like, I can't defend that. I can't defend that.

We Wine Whenever (28:21.926)
Yeah.

Wendy (28:22.156)
Yeah, right. She put her hand on her head. She's like, And Erica said, do you think you're bigger than her? She said, I think my wallet is. I like, listen, I love it. That's what I love about Erica. Like she'll just, she's the only one who ever steps in on stuff like that. Cause Kyle could have stepped in. Kyle, yeah, Kyle could have stepped in on that.

Kelli (28:25.892)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (28:30.98)
Who gives a fuck?

Kelli (28:34.764)
Erica's... yeah.

Kelli (28:39.68)
no matter whose side.

Kelli (28:45.24)
Yeah. Yeah. We said it because somebody said Erica's afraid of Kyle. And we said it. She's definitely not afraid of Kyle. I think she's strategic where she knows if she stays on Kyle's good side, it's good for her for the show, but she'll call her out on her shit. She'll call anybody out on their shit.

Wendy (28:45.922)
She could have.

Wendy (28:56.779)
No, she's definitely not.

We Wine Whenever (28:57.277)
Mm-mm.

Wendy (29:06.636)
Yeah, I definitely don't think that she is afraid of Kyle.

We Wine Whenever (29:09.576)
But Sutton was... See, this is what happens though. You fuck yourself. Because her reactions are not fitting the goings on. the way... Yeah, the way she was looking at Dorit, like... Sutton looked fucking deranged. Like the hatred and the hate laser beams...

Wendy (29:23.971)
Sutton's.

We Wine Whenever (29:37.49)
that were coming out of her eyeballs was quite frightening. And I was like, girl, you need to like take a Xanax, like I don't know what you need to do.

Kelli (29:47.928)
Well, think about the comment she just made, my wallet's bigger than hers. When you get to a point where you have that much money, this is why everybody's scared of Kathy Hilton. This is why nobody will cross Kathy Hilton, because she has all this power. Sutton must think in her head that in this group of women, because of her wallet, she has this superiority. She doesn't, because I was thinking about it at the end of the episode.

more people are going to be on Dorit's side. I mean, even Jennifer Tilly on Watch What Happens Live afterwards was like, well, she kind of felt bad, but then she doubled down on the after show. So.

We Wine Whenever (30:29.128)
Well, I did Google and this is how it goes money-wise. Jennifer, Cathy, Kyle, then son.

Wendy (30:29.409)
Yeah.

Kelli (30:42.766)
So Jennifer Tilly has more money than Cathy. Well, she's got Simpson money. She's got Simpson money. God bless her, man. And listen, out of all of them, I mean, I would hang out with many of them. I would hang out with Jennifer the first because she just seems like a good time. So with all that money, she doesn't seem like an asshole.

We Wine Whenever (30:45.288)
yes. She's got more money. Yeah. But yeah.

Wendy (31:03.467)
yeah, definitely.

We Wine Whenever (31:07.962)
Now, I don't know if you guys saw this. You know that person, drunk drawn, who does all the pictures of the housewives? He did one of Sutton and there's dollar bills where her teeth are supposed to be and a hundred dollar bill where her tongue is supposed to be and around her mouth is a zipper. It's great.

Kelli (31:15.33)
He does. Yeah.

Wendy (31:19.265)
Yeah.

Kelli (31:19.512)
That's great.

Wendy (31:34.755)
that's funny. Yeah, that's funny.

Kelli (31:34.766)
That is so good.

We Wine Whenever (31:36.136)
That was so good. I saw that.

Wendy (31:43.374)
So then what happens next? she, then she says, let me make this very clear Missy. Now Sutton says to Dorit, let me make this very clear Missy. Now that can be a Southern thing or it can be a condescending Southern thing. I mean, it's definitely condescending. I'm not saying it's not condescending, but

Kelli (32:03.628)
No, that was very condescending. Very. I'm, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (32:06.244)
I was kind of sending. Yeah.

Wendy (32:12.696)
There's nobody in New Jersey or New York is gonna call someone Missy to be condescending.

We Wine Whenever (32:16.424)
It's a really messy note. Definitely a southern thing.

Kelli (32:18.454)
If you call somebody Missy in New Jersey, you're probably gonna get popped. You're gonna get smacked in the face. Fucking call me Missy. Bitch would be better. Bitch would be better. Yeah.

Wendy (32:22.798)
I don't know, Dee. mean, bitch would be better.

We Wine Whenever (32:23.176)
Yeah.

Yeah. No, yeah. That should be most definitely better. Most definitely better.

Wendy (32:34.114)
This is so funny. is why. Listen, I was born in South Carolina. I'd rather be called Missy. Don't call me bitch.

We Wine Whenever (32:39.26)
No, no, no.

Wendy (32:42.734)
Call me Missy, don't call me bitch. All right. So she was very rude to me. She made it very clear that she didn't want me there. Dorit says, it's okay for you to leave early, but it wasn't for Kyle. Which I'm glad she said that. Sudden said I wasn't sitting on the side of the road with my bathrobe on. was kind of funny. Right, no, it doesn't matter. She's like, I walked out because the hostess didn't want me there.

Kelli (32:56.974)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (32:57.253)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (33:03.364)
Who cares though? Like, it was definitely funny, but it doesn't matter.

Wendy (33:13.528)
Dorit said, I did call you a bitch. Sutton says, no, I should have called you a fucking bitch. I was like, Like it's just getting worse and worse. Like every word that comes out of their mouths, both of them, back and forth with each other. But it was definitely Sutton was the aggressor. She definitely came in hot. She came in hot.

Kelli (33:22.71)
It's getting worse.

We Wine Whenever (33:23.026)
worse and worse.

We Wine Whenever (33:33.093)
yeah.

Wendy (33:36.622)
Then they say, does anyone have a mirror because she needs, Dorit said that. Needs a mirror, yep. Jennifer in her confessional says, I do not want these girls to get in a caviar food fight, which I don't blame her, because that's just expensive.

We Wine Whenever (33:45.266)
Like I said.

Kelli (33:52.996)
Mm-mm.

We Wine Whenever (33:54.344)
$1,000 a potato. $1,000 a Yeah, $1,000. You know what I could eat with $1,000? I could eat for like four weeks.

Wendy (33:56.79)
Is that what it was? Yeah.

Kelli (33:57.412)
$1,000 of potato. That's what they were eating baked potatoes with caviar that cost $1,000 each

Wendy (34:03.446)
Okay.

Kelli (34:11.01)
I was just gonna say, that's like a month. mean, shy of a month, but close to a month. Three weeks, three weeks for sure.

We Wine Whenever (34:14.822)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

for sure.

Wendy (34:21.966)
So then Garcelle says, well, what about you just say, I'm sorry, that was a terrible joke and we're done. I'm thinking, that's not gonna work. And Dorit says, do you think that that will work? And Dorit says, she says it. And Sutton says, well, that wasn't sincere. Okay, well, I didn't think that was gonna work. Dorit says, absolutely, if I offended you or I upset you in that moment, you said that upset me and it offended me, then please don't do that. Sutton said, I did do that.

Kelli (34:36.426)
Dory's like, yeah, fuck it.

Wendy (34:51.31)
Dorit said, no, you called me a bitch and you decided to walk out. And then Kyle's the one who finally says like, what do we need to do? Like, what do you each need from each other to move on? Because we can't just keep going back and forth like slinging insults and calling each other a bitch.

Kelli (35:03.566)
Right. No, because it's like, you know, it's the same thing over and over again. we don't, it's boring, quite honestly, it's boring.

Wendy (35:12.224)
It is, it is boring, it is. So Sutton says she has nothing to give me. And then Dorit says, and you Kyle of all people are sitting here watching. Well, no, she actually was trying to help just now. Yeah. Right.

Kelli (35:24.206)
She was, she definitely was. I mean, she's friends with both of them. So one can't be annoyed at her for anything. She's just trying to be a good friend and a mediator.

We Wine Whenever (35:25.938)
to us.

Wendy (35:33.782)
Right, right. And Kyle said, no, I'm trying to help. Kyle says, is there anything either one of you can do? Dorit says, I think I need space. And Sutton's like, fine, I need space too. And then she tries to get her to come sit near her, like rearrange the table. like, no, there's another spot down there. So.

they separate a little bit and she's sitting down with Dorit and then that's when Faye jumps in with her comments about, I think I drink as much as you to Sutton and every, right, we all have our little buttons, but nobody wants to be judged or put in a box.

We Wine Whenever (36:06.352)
Yeah, we all have our little buttons, she says.

Wendy (36:16.992)
And meanwhile, Dorit is talking to Kyle and she's saying, listen, if I go as low as her, can, you know, I'll eviscerate her. And Dorit says, listen, I also need a break. Like, I can't keep doing this either.

Kelli (36:29.4)
No, like she's got a lot going on, Dorit. She's separated from her husband. Clearly she's having financial issues, which she's not saying on the show, but clearly that's what's going on. And she has babies. They are so little, her kids.

Wendy (36:32.481)
She does.

Right.

Wendy (36:40.918)
Right, they're young. Yes, yes. I mean, she's involved with, you know, playing basketball with Jagger. The other one's doing ballet and doing acting. Like, she's got a full plate. She's got a full plate.

We Wine Whenever (36:41.618)
their babies,

Kelli (36:51.662)
Yeah, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (36:52.232)
Yeah, those kids are little still. She's got a lot going on.

Wendy (36:55.031)
Yeah.

Kelli (36:55.586)
I don't agree with what she did at her barbecue when she said what she said to Garcelle, like, you're asking her. I don't agree with that, but I think that they have to be able, they have to like say to each other, like, Sutton has to say like enough with the alcohol comments. And then Dorit has to say like, stop calling me poor. Like, you know what I mean? Like I feel like we could squash this pretty quickly.

We Wine Whenever (37:15.632)
Right. Yeah.

Wendy (37:18.327)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (37:20.591)
Easily, yeah.

Wendy (37:20.864)
Well, Kyle does admit that she has a totally different perspective with Sutton after going to Georgia after finding out that her father had depression and he was self-medicating with alcohol. So of course, alcohol is going to be a trigger for Sutton.

We Wine Whenever (37:31.206)
Well.

Kelli (37:31.224)
Wow.

We Wine Whenever (37:34.918)
Right, but I thought it was very telling how in Kyle's confession, confessional, the production cuts in and, you know, leaves with Sutton saying her dad would self-medicate with alcohol. And Kyle says, well, that's why alcohol comments bother her. But maybe, I'm not insinuating, but maybe it's cutting a little close to the truth for Sutton.

Kelli (37:35.523)
And.

We Wine Whenever (38:00.122)
Maybe Sutton uses some alcohol to self-medicate herself because she's had all these issues with losing her dad and her relationship with her ex-husband and her non-relationship with her mother and blah, blah. I just thought that was very telling on production's part and that's kind of like, that's almost the takeaway I took from it.

Kelli (38:24.354)
And it doesn't mean that she's an alcoholic. It may just mean she has an unhealthy relationship with alcohol.

We Wine Whenever (38:26.478)
No, that's not what I'm saying. With alcohol, right, that she is doing a lot of self-medicating also.

Kelli (38:34.85)
Right. But when Dorit says so Dorit and Kyle go out on their own and when Dorit says something about son adjusting her meds. Listen, I don't like that being said about anyone because I think that that puts a stigma on mental health, but certainly not on somebody who lost their father to suicide who suffered from mental health.

We Wine Whenever (39:04.657)
Right.

Kelli (39:04.664)
to say that somebody needs to regulate their meds. Like, come on. I didn't, like, I walked away from this episode feeling like they're both assholes. Like, they both said really shitty things about and to each other. Because that was fucked up.

We Wine Whenever (39:07.878)
Right. It's not a good, no, it's not a good look.

We Wine Whenever (39:15.352)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Wendy (39:19.424)
No, I agree. I totally agree. It was.

We Wine Whenever (39:23.258)
Yeah, it's like they've they're in the, know, durites around all these alcohol issues too, like, durite with her husband, durite with Sutton's problem, maybe not a problem, you know.

Kelli (39:28.878)
Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

Wendy (39:35.425)
Right, right.

And then, you know, it kind of ends. just says to Jareet, you know, you guys should talk, but they don't really, and not at this point. And then the next thing we see is the Daily Mail article comes out with the picture of Mo in the airport in Greece. Everyone's on the phone with each other talking about it. Erica is the only one we see that calls Kyle directly. And I honestly think that that is the real friendship because

We Wine Whenever (40:04.584)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (40:09.004)
I don't know if you've noticed like on the after show, when there's two people together, Kyle's been by herself, but I think that's because Erica was in New York doing Chicago. But it's usually Erica and Kyle together. It's usually, know, Dorit. Yeah, it's usually, yeah. So that's what I think that that's, you like she's really her friend in the group at this point, right?

We Wine Whenever (40:19.186)
Right. Erica with her.

Kelli (40:22.776)
I don't watch the after show, so I'm not familiar.

We Wine Whenever (40:31.538)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (40:33.092)
think that Erica is a straight shooter and if she's your friend, she's your friend on camera or off camera. you know, she definitely seems closest with Kyle out of everyone, but she also does seem close with Doreen.

Wendy (40:38.486)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (40:40.315)
Right.

So the.

We Wine Whenever (40:47.176)
out of it. Yeah.

Wendy (40:49.42)
Yeah, so she asks Kyle like, did you know that this was coming? And she's like, no, like she doesn't, she had no idea. And Sutton is telling Garcelle that this is not accidental, that there's paparazzi there. She's been in that exact airport in Greece. It's a small little airport. It's not like they're just there.

Kelli (41:08.6)
with Jennifer Aniston, she's been there. Sutton said, and there was no paparazzi.

We Wine Whenever (41:10.76)
And with no problem, I'd say. So I wrote down, damn, Sutton is going the Kelly route.

Wendy (41:11.63)
Yeah. Right.

Wendy (41:18.859)
Yeah.

Kelli (41:19.384)
What do mean?

We Wine Whenever (41:20.476)
with the whole paparazzi and Kyle and Maurizio, not this is like, necessarily, you know, how we were saying, maybe it's kind of a little bit made up. You how we had always, you had always speculated about that in the past? You did.

Wendy (41:21.752)
paparazzi.

someone's paying them. And then Garcello said, no one's going to pay.

Kelli (41:37.1)
I did, I definitely did. After this season, do feel less, that that's less likely. However, I did think what Sutton was saying was interesting. I don't think that, I don't think it was, I think if anyone called the paparazzi.

Wendy (41:52.652)
It was the model. It was the model.

Kelli (41:53.741)
It was the model.

We Wine Whenever (41:54.216)
Now her name is Nikita Khan and she broke up with him because he wouldn't commit. And then after that he's with his current girlfriend, Claudia Kay. yeah, Claudia Kay is her name. Yep. And not only that, which I think is a little douchey, is he's been seen with her in Colorado, which I mean...

Kelli (42:09.368)
So he does have a girlfriend, Maurizio?

We Wine Whenever (42:22.146)
That's kind of like they have a house there, him and Kyle, you know, like that's...

Kelli (42:24.908)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they filmed there.

Wendy (42:28.616)
in LA too and I mean we're

We Wine Whenever (42:30.344)
I don't know, Colorado, it just seems like their kind of family place. So if you're like, dick around, don't dick around there. It just felt really wrong. I was just like, no, it's just wrong. I just thought it was wrong.

Kelli (42:34.838)
like a family thing almost.

Kelli (42:40.516)
Don't shit where you eat.

Kelli (42:47.478)
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what to think about all this.

I do think that if anybody called the paparazzi though, it was the model. And what was it Jennifer Tilly on Watch What Happens Live? She's like, what's the point of dating Maurizio if you're not gonna put it out to the public? Like that was pretty funny. She's like, other than that, what's the lore? I mean, he was very good looking years ago, but he's aging, let's face it. He's not aging great. He's really not aging great.

Wendy (42:54.159)
Listen.

We Wine Whenever (43:05.264)
Yeah.

Wendy (43:05.526)
Right. Yeah. Right.

We Wine Whenever (43:18.342)
He's not too shabby though.

Kelli (43:20.046)
He's not too shabby, but he's not what he was. I mean, he used to win every Watch What Happens Live poll, like who is the sexiest house husband, and I don't think he's been winning them lately. Joe Gorgor takes that away a lot too.

Wendy (43:34.54)
I don't think they've had that many lately polls though on the house husbands. Sutton is saying that Mo planted these photos to get back at Kyle. I absolutely do not think that that would happen.

Kelli (43:36.746)
Mm-mm. But Mo used to get it.

Kelli (43:45.748)
She's saying because she was putting the pictures out of her and Morgan.

Wendy (43:49.836)
But she wasn't putting them out. Like, they were just out.

Kelli (43:51.502)
She was, she was putting them out. Yeah, she was putting them out. She was definitely putting them out, but now I'm starting to think she was putting them out to get a reaction out of him so that maybe he'd come home.

We Wine Whenever (43:52.038)
Was she? Come on. yeah, I think she was putting on-

Wendy (43:54.83)
I don't think she was.

I don't agree.

We Wine Whenever (44:04.048)
Yeah, that was always my thought on that. That was always my thought on that. No.

Kelli (44:07.246)
But he didn't. So she pumped the brakes on putting that out.

We Wine Whenever (44:12.7)
Right.

Wendy (44:13.102)
But I thought those pictures came out before they were even separated. Those pictures were coming out way before they were even separated. Yes, the whole season. Because they didn't actually get separated until this season. They were still living together. Last season, those pictures came out before last season even started. It was like the start of this conversation.

Kelli (44:18.026)
No, no, I don't think they were.

Kelli (44:33.422)
So we didn't know they were separated until this season, but I think it was before that that they were separated.

Wendy (44:39.426)
Well, she said in the start of the season that he just moved out.

Kelli (44:42.756)
Yeah, but I think that they were separated before he moved out. Right.

We Wine Whenever (44:45.736)
But right before he moved out. Yes, I think I read that off.

Wendy (44:48.31)
Yes, but that's what I'm saying. That was all last season. That was a whole year ago that they were separated with him still living there. I don't know, whatever. Next on, unless you haven't watched What Happens Live was Jennifer Tilly and Crystal Kung Minkoff. Did either of you watch that?

Kelli (45:07.031)
Yeah. I did.

We Wine Whenever (45:08.336)
Yes, I watched that and I did watch the after show, no on the after show. Yeah, she said it was last week would have been their 29th wedding anniversary.

Wendy (45:12.482)
Yeah, watch the after show too.

Wendy (45:19.191)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (45:25.148)
What else?

Kelli (45:26.926)
So, you we know people who are divorced and a lot of times, you know, they don't miss the person, but they miss their family unit. So this might be what Kyle is struggling with.

We Wine Whenever (45:36.037)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (45:40.046)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (45:40.156)
That's what I'm saying. Like, is it really her relationship with Mo or is it how she feels about marriage in general and her family being together? Yeah. So Jennifer Tilly on the after show also says that, like you said, she thinks that the girl called the paparazzi.

Kelli (45:47.95)
just her family being together.

Yeah, exactly.

Wendy (46:01.688)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (46:01.698)
Yeah, yeah, I believe that.

We Wine Whenever (46:06.778)
we got for the after show.

Wendy (46:07.918)
Andy did a couple polls and watch what happens live. Whose side are you on Dorit or Sutton? 43 % were on Dorit's side and 56 % were on Sutton's side.

Kelli (46:22.084)
Wow, Sutton won that? I don't remember seeing that. That's shocking.

Wendy (46:23.85)
I was surprised, yeah. I was surprised. And then the next one was, who do you think has the biggest wallet? And Jennifer Tilly got that with 55%.

We Wine Whenever (46:36.295)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (46:38.67)
And the next one was, you think Maurizio planned for the paparazzi shoot? Yes or no? 54 % said yes. 46 % said no.

We Wine Whenever (46:47.816)
See.

Kelli (46:47.972)
Wow. Wow.

We Wine Whenever (46:50.866)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (46:52.969)
How much do you love a caftan on a scale of one to ten? Got a six.

Kelli (47:00.568)
I mean, they're not very flattering, but super comfortable, I would imagine.

We Wine Whenever (47:04.252)
awesome, I come.

Wendy (47:06.158)
Yeah. Were Crystal's leather pants actually ugly? 63 % said no and 36 % said yes. Andy asked Jennifer who's more high maintenance on a girls trip? Jennifer said, I'm going to have to say Sutton because I have my stuff all over the floor. I'm easy going and she has her emotions all over the place.

Kelli (47:09.892)
I remember this song.

Yeah, that was funny. That was really funny.

Kelli (47:33.006)
She did say that, And she has Avi there organizing her closet. Yeah.

Wendy (47:35.862)
And I was going to say she's got Avi there. Exactly. Why doesn't Jennifer bring a person? Because she doesn't care. She doesn't care that her shit's all over the place. Right. She's like, I don't care. My shit's all over the place. She has two houses because her shit's all over the place.

We Wine Whenever (47:39.144)
Hmm.

Kelli (47:44.26)
She doesn't care.

We Wine Whenever (47:44.316)
And she doesn't care. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (47:48.088)
Right. Yeah, exactly. A house for her and a house for her doll.

We Wine Whenever (47:51.312)
Yeah, right. My house for a doll.

We Wine Whenever (48:00.466)
So on the after show, Kyle said that this whole thing with the photo coming out is just a reminder that they really need to move forward. So I really feel she's really starting to talk like she's getting there to the whole D-I-V-O-R-C-E thing. let's see.

Wendy (48:00.694)
Anything else?

Kelli (48:15.618)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (48:25.977)
and Kyle said that that was one of Sutton's worst moments when she said that to Dorit.

Kelli (48:32.512)
I agree.

Wendy (48:33.92)
I agree too. I mean, it's a horrible thing to say.

Kelli (48:37.732)
Terrible. Terrible.

We Wine Whenever (48:38.618)
And she was going off on the after show, Sutton, saying that how Dorit is one of the phonies people she's ever met.

Kelli (48:48.888)
Yeah, saying that you're in foreclosure and you're not paying your bills and yeah.

We Wine Whenever (48:49.082)
She says she has no respect for

We Wine Whenever (48:56.422)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I love how Jennifer Tilly was like, no, if my house was in foreclosure and I had no money, I'd be showing up in the Louis Vuitton's and my Chanel bag and maybe my fake Birkin if I had to, because that's just what you do. That was great. So we shall see.

Wendy (49:10.786)
Yes, she did.

Right. Yep. Yeah. That's why I like Jennifer Tilly is that she's real. She's totally real. And you said she has the most money and you would never know that. Right. And that's what.

Kelli (49:16.196)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (49:26.802)
she has the most money. Yep. Which I love.

Kelli (49:28.664)
You would never know it. If she didn't say, have Simpson money, I'd be like, all right, how much are those Chucky movies paying her? And how much is she winning at poker? But now knowing she has Simpson money, like it makes total sense, but she doesn't come off like that.

We Wine Whenever (49:36.839)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (49:37.442)
Right.

Wendy (49:43.501)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (49:47.698)
She's not one giving statements out like Sutton did.

Wendy (49:47.733)
No.

Kelli (49:52.298)
No, and she's not so, and listen, I will admit Kathy Hilton has...

You know, my opinion on her has somewhat changed this season. I like this Cathy Hilton that we're seeing. But she's still so out of touch with reality. I mean, and it is because of the amount of money she has. And I don't feel like Jennifer, I think Jennifer Tilly is a very eccentric person, but I don't think she's so out of touch with reality like Cathy Hilton is. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (50:24.728)
No. No, definitely not. So we shall see with Kyle and Mo and yada yada yada.

Wendy (50:33.088)
Yes, we shall.

Kelli (50:34.86)
Real quick, I will be interested to see if this comes up at the reunion, if Cathy's there. What Kyle said about her mother, that she was very proud of the fact that she was married for so long to the same man because she did not have that role model in her life growing up with her mother. Now Cathy is so defensive about their mother. So I'm curious to see if Cathy has an opinion about that.

We Wine Whenever (51:02.47)
Yeah, she gets charged up about that. She did not put her mother in a favorable light at all.

Kelli (51:04.256)
I would imagine she's...

No, but I don't think her mother was a positive influence. Like I don't think she did set an example. I think she pushed those girls into show business and she pushed those girls to marry rich to make a more comfortable life for herself. And them, but for herself.

We Wine Whenever (51:11.877)
I don't think so either.

We Wine Whenever (51:21.859)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (51:27.662)
So.

We Wine Whenever (51:28.7)
Yeah.

Wendy (51:28.768)
I mean, Andy would be someone to bring up a question like that. Just to stir the I'd rather he not because there's no reason to stir that pot.

Kelli (51:32.278)
I hope so. I hope so because-

He tiptoes around Cathy. He tiptoes around Kyle like he does Teresa. He tiptoes around certain housewives.

Wendy (51:44.557)
Yeah.

Kelli (51:45.902)
So we'll see though.

Wendy (51:47.02)
We definitely will see. Let's just mention real quick, because we haven't talked about it yet. Karen was sentenced to two years for her DUI. One year is suspended, her sentence. And she went, right? She's already there. She's already in county jail. She's going to be there. So somebody said, and I don't know, you might know, Kelly. Although it's a year, right? Because a year is suspended.

Kelli (51:52.695)
Mmm.

Kelli (51:57.06)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (52:01.316)
She's there. Crazy.

Wendy (52:12.014)
That she'll probably only actually do six months. It's like day for day for good behavior

We Wine Whenever (52:17.192)
That's horrible. I'm sorry, but there's a lot of people.

Kelli (52:18.71)
I don't know if she's gonna get that though. I think that the good behavior plays a role, time served always does, but she didn't have any time served. She wasn't even on house arrest, like nothing. There's nothing to contribute to that. And honestly, I cannot see a judge giving her anything for good behavior at this point because of what led up to this sentencing.

Wendy (52:21.1)
We'll see.

Wendy (52:27.479)
Right.

Wendy (52:30.933)
I know.

Wendy (52:38.904)
But I don't, does that go through, is it the judge that does that or is it the parole people? I don't think it's, I don't know. Because you know, Jennifer, Jen Shaw, her sentence keeps getting reduced every like six months.

Kelli (52:44.566)
I mean, I think the judge would have a say in it.

Kelli (52:54.444)
Yeah, yeah, I guess it's the people in the jail. I don't know. I'll have to ask.

Wendy (53:00.758)
Yeah, we should look into that just to see. I'm just curious, you know? I'm curious how it works. I don't know.

Kelli (53:08.118)
Let's hope she's a little bit humbled and does exhibit good behavior now.

Wendy (53:15.298)
Well, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (53:15.858)
Well, let's hope she gets the help that she needs because quite obviously she needs some new.

Kelli (53:18.24)
Yeah, I don't think six months is gonna do enough for her. I think she needs to stay a year. don't think she should be given any grace. I don't think she should be given any, no, any shortcuts.

We Wine Whenever (53:28.582)
Any special treatment? No!

Mmm.

Wendy (53:33.558)
No, I don't think so either. I'm just curious. Yeah.

Kelli (53:34.776)
do your time because especially since it was a two year and now it's one.

Wendy (53:39.925)
One year, right? One year.

Kelli (53:41.976)
And I don't know what they're saying. What does that mean when you're suspended?

Wendy (53:46.486)
It means once she gets out, she's got probation. So a suspended sentence means that if she violates her probation, then she goes back and does that other year. So it's suspended upon the completion of the probation period. Because I think she's got...

Kelli (53:57.431)
Okay.

Wendy (54:04.826)
either three or five years. She's got an extended probation at the end. So you have to complete all that for it to not go into effect. But if you violate it with one thing, then you go back and you have to put the other year in. Yes. Yes. So we'll have to wait and see. I mean, I did see that, you know, Ashley and Giselle.

Kelli (54:21.454)
you serve that year. Okay.

We Wine Whenever (54:25.18)
Well, we'll see.

Wendy (54:31.798)
Even Wendy, they put out statements that they were praying for her. Even though they think what she did is horrible, she's still someone that they knew. And she's still a human being. And you know what, prayers? No, no, and prayers are good for all of us. We could all use prayers. I'll take any prayers you guys wanna send my way. I'll take them.

Kelli (54:41.986)
Yeah, and you know, nobody wants to see anybody go through that. That's for sure.

Me too, me too.

We Wine Whenever (54:53.0)
Absolutely.

Wendy (54:54.432)
I did like that they were taking the high road though, you know.

Kelli (54:56.62)
Yeah, of course.

Wendy (54:59.662)
So I think that's it, unless you guys can think of anything else. Nothing else. All right, well, until next time, thank you for watching and listening. Bye.

We Wine Whenever (55:03.029)
Nothing. Big fat nothing.

Kelli (55:07.416)
Good.

Kelli (55:11.918)
Bye.

We Wine Whenever (55:12.936)
Bye.