RHOP Reunion Part 2: Tears, Accusations, and Walkouts

 RHOP Reunion Part 2: Tears, Accusations, and Walkouts 

• Mia & Stacy Drama:
  • Stacy felt Mia’s apology wasn’t genuine.
  • Mia got emotional and left to cry in her dressing room.
  • Andy comforted Mia, encouraging her to give herself grace.
• Giselle's Update:
  • Enjoying life as an empty nester.
  • Daughters excelling in school and have no relationship with Jamal’s wife.
  • Stronger relationship with Nnamnse; Josh and Nas are close.
• Ashley & Josh:
  • Their relationship has slowed down.
  • Josh was offended by Wendy’s “lateral move” comment.
  • Wendy reminded Ashley of past comments about her husband.
• K & Greg:
  • Still together and looking at engagement rings.
  • K moved out but will return once she gets a ring.
  • Greg dislikes being on camera but supports K.
• Stacy & TJ Breakup:
  • Broke up around the holidays.
  • She was shocked watching him on the show.
  • Denies paying TJ to be on the show.
  • Still best friends, despite Wendy’s shade.
• Stacy & Vivian Feud:
  • Stacy accused Vivian of being shady.
  • Vivian designed Ashley’s finale dress months prior.
  • Stacy no longer considers Vivian a friend.
• Fashion Critiques:
  • Wendy criticized for her Michelin Man outfit.
  • Kay’s shoulders got viewer backlash.
  • Ashley joked about her crop tops.
• Mia’s Relationship Mess:
  • Mia, Gordon, and Inc’s situation remains unclear.
  • Mia and Inc announced a breakup, but cast members doubt it.
  • Wendy believes Mia staged the breakup due to backlash.
  • Mia lives in Atlanta, as does Inc.
• Mia’s Divorce & Kids:
  • Questioned about telling her kids about the divorce on camera.
  • Confirmed a professional paternity test proved Jeremiah is Gordon’s child.
  • Giselle called Mia a "terrible mother," leading to Mia walking out.
• Jacqueline’s Perspective:
  • Familiar with Gordon and Inc’s on-and-off dynamic.
  • Advised Mia to keep the kids away from both men together.
• Karen’s Alleged Affair Bombshell:
  • Next episode teases Karen possibly being with a man during her accident.
• Final Moments:
  • Mia storms out after Giselle’s harsh words.
  • Greg, Eddie, and others FaceTime TJ, who dismisses the show as “fake BS.”
  • Wendy receives a text from Eddie about TJ.

What’s Next:

• More drama to come, including a bombshell about Karen.
• Further discussions on the ladies’ outfits and fashion choices.

Transcript

Wendy (00:00.78)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy. We are talking about Real Housewives of Potomac Reunion Part Two. And we pick up where we left off. They're taking a break and Mia went into the back to talk to Stacey because they had just finished talking about the whole Miami trip where, you know, Mia blew Stacey off. And...

Kelli (00:03.515)
I'm Kelly.

Kelli (00:25.395)
Yeah, and jealousy.

Wendy (00:26.774)
Yeah, she went and she apologized to Stacey and Stacey said that her apology just didn't feel genuine and that she's going to need some more time. So then Mia goes, goes to her dressing room and she's crying and Andy goes in and he kind of gives her like a a pep talk. He's like, you know, you need to give yourself some grace. You know, you've admitted that you've done wrong. So, you know, just kind of move forward.

Kelli (00:52.421)
Yeah, I felt like he was falling for that damsel in distress act, but I know it's it's kind of his job to kind of go in and at least if nothing else get her back out there.

Wendy (00:56.578)
I mean, what's he gonna do?

Wendy (01:00.554)
Right.

Right, exactly. Then they come back from the break and Andy asks Giselle how life is as an empty nester and she says it, I was legit sad for 28 hours. And then all of sudden I was like, Ooh, this is amazing. I'm waiting for that myself.

Kelli (01:18.309)
You

Kelli (01:23.571)
Hell yeah. We just had 24 hours of it and it felt pretty damn nice.

Wendy (01:28.174)
Yes, we did. We had our 24-hour visit to Atlantic City.

Kelli (01:33.253)
Mm-hmm. like that she said that there there's 4.0 is all around, you know

Wendy (01:38.99)
Yes, yeah, because he asked how the girls were doing at school and he said, you know, all they all have 4.0s. He asked how the relationship was with Jamal and she said, good. If you were asked, do you know why Jamal and his wife dressed up like characters in Wicked for their wedding? And she's like, and he's like, they did? And she's like, did you see the pictures? And he's like, no, I hadn't seen them either.

Kelli (01:45.939)
Amazing.

Kelli (01:57.127)
That was wild.

Kelli (02:07.079)
Did they show the pictures? I forget. They did not. Okay.

Wendy (02:08.526)
They did not they did not I didn't even bother looking for them because I thought that is the weirdest thing I've ever heard

Kelli (02:13.619)
Especially when he said, is Jamal a big Wicked fan? She's like, I don't even think he knows what it is.

Wendy (02:19.636)
Exactly. And supposedly he dressed as Alphaba, which is the green witch. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if they were joking, but that's what they said. I don't know. I think we're going to have to.

Kelli (02:28.915)
Jamal was alphabet?

Kelli (02:36.299)
okay. Now I feel like we're have to look up some pictures. That was wild. And the girls were horrified.

Wendy (02:47.36)
Yes, they were horrified. He asked how the girls' were with the new wife and I was like, they don't really know her. You know, it would be good if they got to know her and that they did have a relationship, but they don't really know her.

Kelli (02:59.099)
It's kind of a hard time with them being away at school. Like really, when are they gonna have the opportunity to know her, you know?

Wendy (03:02.424)
Definitely. No, I agree. And especially if they're doing a costume party for their wedding, which is little strange.

Kelli (03:09.873)
Yeah. It's... it's... yeah.

Wendy (03:12.706)
Yeah. So then he asks how Nam says doing and she said stronger than ever. And she said, Josh and him are actually very close. They hang out together. And then he asked Ashley how things were going with Josh. And she said that he, she's kind of slowing it down a little bit. You know, she wants to take a little bit of a break, but the interesting thing is, you know, I guess he couldn't ask them, but they were

Kelli (03:19.507)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (03:39.17)
both filming Love Hotel, both Giselle and Ashley, so they were out dating.

Kelli (03:45.043)
Wendy (03:46.55)
Right?

Kelli (03:47.795)
while they film the reunion or like around the same time.

Wendy (03:50.446)
Before they film the reunion, after they finished the season, I would think, right?

Kelli (03:57.68)
so that's probably why she, she probably is seeing him. Like would she say like we're just chilling a little bit now, but.

Wendy (04:03.672)
Well, she said, I'm slowing it down a little bit, Giselle said, well, according to Josh, really likes you, Ashley. So Ashley's slowing it down, but Giselle said that she's stronger than ever. So maybe Ashley found a connection. I don't know, but I just thought.

Kelli (04:19.375)
I know, we're gonna have to wait and watch Love Hotel. This is how they're gonna get us to do it. Not that we wouldn't anyway, but.

Wendy (04:22.382)
Yes, yes. I know, I know. I just thought that whole thing was a little interesting, right? Then Andy asked Ashley, what does Josh think about the nicknames as pool boy or Jack Harlow? And Ashley said that he was offended by the things, particularly that Wendy said that it was a lateral move to Michael, which that...

Kelli (04:28.327)
That is very interesting.

Wendy (04:51.288)
that was shady and Wendy said well he'll get over it.

Kelli (04:55.269)
It was shady and he will get over it. And I'm glad that Wendy brought up what she brought up about what Ashley said about Eddie, because that's way worse than saying it's a lateral move or calling the guy Jack Harlow.

Wendy (05:08.014)
I mean, she brought up a rumor that was on the vlog. She brought up a rumor. And I mean, that was a couple years ago.

Kelli (05:10.011)
She, yeah.

Kelli (05:21.255)
Yeah, but come on, if somebody's saying that your husband's cheating on you, you don't get past that. And that person should certainly not ever try to say that you said something about their person and find it insulting. Like, you said my husband was cheating on me. So, checkmate.

Wendy (05:31.938)
Well, she did.

Wendy (05:38.574)
She just brought up the blog and Andy asked her a question about how he felt about it and she answered it. Listen, I give Wendy a lot of credit for having that in her memory bank to be quite honest with you.

Kelli (05:47.623)
Yeah, no, she's got the right to add, you know.

Kelli (05:55.791)
I don't forget that. That's when I was like, Robin's gotta go because she's hiding all this shit about Juan and he really was stepping out and now she's trying to say that Eddie stepped out? Come on.

Wendy (05:57.998)
Okay.

Wendy (06:09.069)
Okay, so then Andy asks, no, also Wendy says, well my husband's amazing and I'm still married to him. Good luck with you and Josh. I was like, okay. Yeah. Then Andy asks Kay, what is the current status of you and Greg? And she said that they're still together. They actually looked at rings last week, but she also admitted that they took a little break and she moved out and she's in the process of buying her own condo.

Kelli (06:22.012)
Yeah.

Wendy (06:39.04)
which I think is amazing. I'm so glad that she's doing this. She said it will be a premarital asset, which absolutely it will be, because all the girls are like, wait, what? And then once she feels like they're in a better place, then she'll move back in. And once she gets the ring, I do not blame her. And now she's got her rental property or a fallback if this doesn't really work. Right?

Kelli (06:41.459)
Totally.

Kelli (06:58.257)
And now she's got a rental property. In her name only.

Exactly.

Wendy (07:07.918)
I give her lot of kudos for that.

Kelli (07:12.123)
Me too, she's a smart business woman.

Wendy (07:14.476)
Yes, she talks a little bit about, you know, how Greg doesn't feel comfortable on camera. And we all said that, we could all see it. Andy said, but he did say that, you know, he's there to support you even when he was at Watch What Happens Live, which he was. And it's not easy. You know, some people just... Yes, he absolutely is. And some people just don't like the camera. And then Andy said to Stacey, people are, seem to think that TJ really liked the camera.

Kelli (07:28.039)
Yeah. And he's there, he's at the reunion with her.

Wendy (07:44.558)
And Stacey said that her and TJ are not together anymore. And Stacey said that she's consistently said that he is one of the best people she's ever met and that they're still good friends. And that there's been a lot of pressure after she watched it back and she got some heat from her family about the way he spoke to her and the things that he was saying. So...

She said it was very hurtful for people to say I was paying him to be on the show. And to say people said he looked more interested in the trainer than me. And Wendy said, well, that was me. And Stacey said, I know.

Kelli (08:29.181)
Yeah.

I thought it was nice that Wendy, cause she did apologize for it. But it was interesting that she apologized to Stacy for saying that and her reaction to Ashley was, he'll get over it. Like there's no love lost there.

Wendy (08:34.84)
She absolutely did a pot. She owned it.

Wendy (08:42.636)
Yes, yes. No, and the fact that we see at the end, Wendy's the one who gets the text message. I mean, so Wendy genuinely apologized and planned on going forward, but now what's going to happen is now she's going to wind up throwing her under the bus.

Kelli (08:58.695)
Yes.

Kelli (09:05.597)
She sure is. She sure is.

Wendy (09:07.778)
Which we saw it all play out though. It's not like, you know.

Kelli (09:11.627)
It wasn't on purpose. But I'm sorry, Eddie and Greg FaceTiming TJ. Maybe Greg didn't know what was going on. Eddie knew what he was doing. And I would imagine that Eddie and TJ had a conversation prior to that FaceTime about what they were gonna talk about.

Wendy (09:14.059)
Right.

Wendy (09:27.846)
you think so? Maybe, maybe, maybe. I know. You don't take a FaceTime. Right.

Kelli (09:32.071)
He's in a car driving, like when you're in a car driving, escaping fires, you don't really take a FaceTime call unless you anticipate what's happening. I mean, he did know that they were filming the reunion that day, so maybe, but I think that...

Wendy (09:45.166)
That's a good point.

Wendy (09:50.248)
He didn't though, because that's what Eddie said to him. we're here filming the reunion. Where are you at? And he said, I'm not doing that fake ass shit. So I don't know that he did know. Like, don't know. I don't know. Very good point you're making though.

Kelli (10:02.663)
Yeah.

Kelli (10:07.666)
Yeah.

Wendy (10:10.528)
That, well, Andy asked Stacey if her and TJ are still best friends and she says yes and yeah, yeah. And then I know Andy asked Stacey, well, a viewer said, was TJ there just to boost your storyline and boost his career? It gives Walter in Kenya. And I was like, well, we've been saying that the whole time. She didn't really answer that.

Kelli (10:17.489)
Not for long, Stacey.

Check back with us in about an hour.

Kelli (10:34.707)
We said it from the beginning.

Kelli (10:39.13)
No, she didn't.

Wendy (10:40.472)
So then they move on to how every one of Potomac really reads each other on fashion.

Kelli (10:46.899)
Well, she did all, before that Stacey did say she's already divorced, which was interesting because of how long Ashley's took. you know, different situations, I'm sure. Although it does sound like Stacey's ex has a lot of money, but I guess maybe he wasn't, know, Ashley and Michael, he was much older than her. I'm sure there were concerns from his ex.

Wendy (10:51.041)
Yes, yes.

Yes.

Kelli (11:15.695)
older children, like just a different vibe. Their marriage was a bit of a different vibe.

Wendy (11:20.43)
definitely a different vibe. And she said that they have one week on and one week off, so they're co-parenting and everything seems to be going good for her.

Kelli (11:28.377)
Yeah, like it seems like everything's amicable and her daughter's doing well, which is the most important thing. Yeah.

Wendy (11:32.91)
100%. Then, like I said, they're talking about the fashion and I don't know which one brought it up, was it Wendy that said the only one who should be, no, maybe it was Stacey, the only one who should be wearing 613, it Stacey, should be wearing 613, which is the shade of blonde, is Karen. And Stacey said, it's really hard for me with Vivian because the whole thing came up about Vivian that...

Kelli (11:57.789)
Yeah.

Wendy (11:58.444)
You know, when they're going through the fashion, they're going through the stuff that Wendy wore and Mia wore the same dress. And then they're going through a couple other dresses. then Ashley says, well, you you didn't show this, but that dress that Stacey wore at the finale, I wore that a couple months prior. And then Andy says, yeah, Vivian made that dress special for you. And Stacey's, yeah, Stacey's like, you know, it's just...

Kelli (12:20.487)
That was interesting.

Wendy (12:24.974)
I did her this favor, like I've known her a long time and I thought I would give her this platform where she'd be the only designer. And the girls were like, you're elevating her? And she said, yeah, I'm elevating her.

Kelli (12:37.671)
She gave her an opportunity, that's not a lie.

Wendy (12:40.406)
Right, I thought she, you know, I thought what she was saying.

Kelli (12:42.035)
I mean, I don't know if the word elevate is appropriate, but listen, you interpret it the way you want. She did give her an opportunity. We didn't know who Vivian was before this.

Wendy (12:47.351)
Right.

Wendy (12:51.902)
No, and even though she was Karen's friend, we didn't really know her. Right?

Kelli (12:55.557)
Nope. I don't think we saw her before this season, did we?

Wendy (12:59.854)
I think we may have. I think we may have. Because I feel like... Right. Right. But, you know, obviously she gave her that dress to wear at the finale knowing that Ashley had worn it already.

Kelli (13:04.359)
but maybe we didn't know like she was a designer or she had a boutique or, know, yeah.

Kelli (13:18.533)
and knowing that that was going to cause a stir.

Wendy (13:21.966)
Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, they're talking about the 613 and

Kelli (13:23.442)
Yeah.

Wendy (13:33.39)
So Stacey said that Karen's the only one that could wear it. They were going over the insults that they were giving Stacey about her wig that she wore that day. And Mia called her Whitney Houston, whereas Ashley called her little orphan Annie.

Kelli (13:53.341)
take, not one of them wouldn't take Whitney. Let's put it that way.

Wendy (13:56.942)
Yeah, oh definitely. But Stacey said that she was a little, you know, little, she thought that they would have been more receptive because they had all been giving her a hard time about her hair to begin with because she had never changed it. And Giselle was commenting that she had never seen her ears, which I thought was a little odd. Like, why do you need to see her ears? Like, what? I mean, I just, I don't know.

Kelli (14:13.363)
because she wanted to make sure she wasn't an alien and that she was a human being.

I mean, that was great.

Wendy (14:24.02)
Andy said that he's never ever texted a housewife before over her fashion, but he did text Wendy over her Michelin Man blue outfit. I did too.

Kelli (14:32.285)
How about that? I thought that was funny. Like if Andy texts you about your outfit and it's not like, girl, you look good, that's really something.

Wendy (14:39.757)
Yep.

Wendy (14:43.926)
Yeah, it's like, what were you thinking? was like, what were you thinking? Right? But Wendy owned it. Like she owned it.

Kelli (14:49.971)
I mean, it was very like 80s inspired, thought. I didn't like it, but you know, Potomac's not known for their fashion. Yeah, especially according to Alexia from Real Housewives of Miami.

Wendy (14:54.638)
Yeah.

No, they are not. No, they are not.

Yeah, I don't think they're so known either, so I don't know who she should be talking.

Kelli (15:05.651)
think so either. I loved how someone asked Mia why her dress has changed from blazers to Fashion Nova. And then she basically admits that she's getting paid from Fashion Nova.

Wendy (15:13.248)
Yes.

Wendy (15:17.292)
By the way, I was just going, I didn't realize she was doing, I was just gonna look into Fashion Nova and see if, yeah, because I think we can get like a brand ambassador deal with them. So we may be wearing Fashion Nova too. So we're not gonna, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I mean, let's hope, listen, we're gonna do some investigating. Yeah, we're gonna do some investigating. I don't,

Kelli (15:24.051)
really?

Kelli (15:32.115)
It's not like sheen, is it? Is it like, okay, okay, it's not like child labor. Okay, whew, okay, then we'll do it. Yeah, we're gonna look into this first. We're not gonna push anything like that.

Wendy (15:46.574)
think it is. Then Andy asked Ashley, he also said that she looked hot as a man and what her family thought, like what was their reaction? And she's like, well, my 77 year old grandma thought it was great, which I love that.

Kelli (16:03.175)
Mm-hmm. Absolutely.

Wendy (16:07.214)
Then they go on a break and they come back from the break and Andy, before they come back, Andy whispers, I don't know if you saw this, because I watched it on Peacock, to Ashley, he loves her hair. And did you see that? She sounds like he's not talking to me. No, right, exactly.

Kelli (16:20.435)
I did see this. And Gisele goes, he wasn't talking to me.

But Stacey did say when somebody said who pulls off the best blonde, Stacey said Giselle and she does. mean, Giselle's hair color is the perfect shade for her. Perfect. So I don't, Cal, Cal does her hair. was gonna say, I don't know who does her hair, but we do know who does her hair, it's Cal. So good job, Cal.

Wendy (16:32.354)
Just Elle. Yeah, she does.

Wendy (16:37.942)
It is, it is.

Wendy (16:43.758)
Yes. I agree, Ashley's hair looked very good at the reunion. I agree it looked good. But then Jacqueline comes out and we find out that she's due in May and that Ashley reminds her that their set that they're sitting on is Panama and that was the last time the two of them had kissed. And Giselle asked if maybe she was the...

Kelli (16:48.305)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (17:10.894)
the baby daddy. And that's when she said the father has never been on Bravo and it is not PP. But then they asked if he was at the finale and she didn't say no. More to come.

Kelli (17:13.683)
So funny.

Kelli (17:22.323)
Mmm.

Kelli (17:26.813)
She said, more to come if you're interested, which I'm personally not. But maybe some people are interested in Jaclyn. I'm not. Don't you think she's doing that so she gets asked back in some capacity?

Wendy (17:33.303)
Yeah

Yeah.

Wendy (17:42.774)
I mean, it could be, because if Mia doesn't come back, there's no chance she's coming back. Yeah. That's probably what it's all about. So then they start talking about the Mia, the Gordon and Ink thing and how the whole convoluted situation and they keep playing clips. And then Andy says, you and Ink recently announced that, you you're separated. What happened? And Mia says, it's complicated. And she starts crying.

Kelli (17:47.481)
Exactly. I totally agree with you.

Wendy (18:12.558)
And Andy says, your tagline is, is permanent. Well, Mia said, well, he's still my best friend and he'll always be in my life. Then Wendy had some nice things to say about him, which I was, you know, was surprised. I was very surprised to be quite honest with you.

Kelli (18:13.105)
You see Gisele rolling her eyes?

Kelli (18:28.871)
She did.

Kelli (18:33.947)
I do think Wendy calls it like she sees it though. Like I don't think Wendy gets emotional about things except when you talk about her husband and I'm sure her children. No, I don't blame her either.

Wendy (18:41.55)
Good general, Blamer. Yeah. Yeah, she said he's kind, he's a respectful gentleman. She said she didn't think Ink knew what he was getting himself into.

Kelli (18:53.735)
Maybe the fans comments got to him.

Wendy (18:55.722)
Right. And him getting all the backlash and she thinks he just dipped out and said, okay, I'm done. then just, just that.

Kelli (19:03.389)
which I'm sure he was getting some bad comments because people love G, I love G. And whether you want Mia and G to be together and we wanna see G on the show. It's like Ray, like I want to see Ray on the show, I like Ray. But so this guy's coming in like her side piece basically.

Wendy (19:06.07)
Of course. Yeah.

Wendy (19:15.392)
Right. Right.

Wendy (19:21.154)
Right, but then.

Wendy (19:26.156)
Yeah, but then we see the whole Gordon reaction to him. And that's really where the problem lies, is that Gordon says, I'm not filming with him. I will not do this with him. And it makes Mia look like an idiot.

Kelli (19:30.461)
Yeah.

Kelli (19:38.779)
And the way Giselle was talking about it, like leads me to believe that like somehow Giselle knew. Giselle knew without watching the show, obviously, G wanted no part of filming with Inc. So that must have been a thing.

Wendy (19:56.578)
Well, she also said she doesn't think that they really broke up and that they're still together and that this is what Mia does and that Mia lives in Atlanta and Inc lives in Atlanta. And, you know, the big question was asked, well, where do the kids go to school? They go to a private school, a private homeschool. Every homeschool is private. Is there a public homeschool?

Kelli (20:08.263)
Yeah, she did say that.

Kelli (20:19.507)
but a private homeschool. Exactly. And have you seen her kids in uniforms? I feel like we've seen her kids in school uniforms. So that's not a homeschool. You don't wear a uniform to a home. I mean, I don't know. Maybe there are some homeschools where you wear uniforms, but I really did think that her kids went to like a charter school or a private school. Cause I thought I remember seeing them in uniforms.

Wendy (20:47.64)
I don't know, but it does make a little bit more sense because when we saw where Mia is living now in that apartment that she's overlooking DC, I'm like, this is a really nice apartment. This has got to be crazy expensive.

Kelli (21:01.951)
Super expen- I mean DC's expensive anyway, so to get a place like that with a view... Ridiculous. And she and G both have separate units?

Wendy (21:06.347)
Right.

Right. So.

Right. So I don't know, like that made more sense. Then Wendy jumps in and said, I'll be honest with you, it's a lie. Me, Gordon and Ink are all in on it. And this whole thing is orchestrated. And as soon as you started seeing all the backlash, that's when, you you started posting the pictures with G and Ink and the kids. And then you came up with the breaking up story.

Kelli (21:41.553)
Right. It's all for the show.

Wendy (21:43.594)
And then Andy said, but she's getting divorced. And Wendy said, that's a lie. I think it's a lie too.

Kelli (21:50.545)
You don't think they're getting divorced?

Wendy (21:52.204)
I don't. I don't.

Kelli (21:54.461)
So do you think that it's just they're gonna legally stay married for the kid's sake, for financial reasons. There's a million reasons to stay married. But she's going to be with Inc. and Gordon's just gonna be okay with it.

Wendy (22:10.796)
Listen, I kind of think that that's what's been going on the whole time.

Kelli (22:14.225)
You're probably right. Yeah.

Wendy (22:16.046)
I think that that's what's been going on the whole time.

Kelli (22:19.731)
You're probably right.

Wendy (22:22.254)
Then a viewer asked Mia if she told her kids about the divorce for the first time on camera. And Mia said, well, what she wanted to do is to go to family counselor and with the kids and tell them, yeah, so, but you didn't. So you did tell them on camera and she didn't admit it, but that's what happened. Which is honestly, it's horrifying. It's horrifying.

Kelli (22:35.539)
But you didn't.

Kelli (22:42.941)
But you know what? But she kind of didn't because what she said to them and they flashed back is, don't you remember mommy told you that whatever she said, mommy and daddy are gonna get divorced? And they were like, no. But she said, don't you remember we talked about? So she had talked to them about it before.

Wendy (23:03.214)
I don't know. I don't know. I know. I know.

Kelli (23:04.701)
But they're kids, they're like, you know, and who knows her level of communication, like, you know, who knows? She does seem like she's just a walking lie.

Wendy (23:16.598)
Yeah, that's the problem. That's really the problem.

Kelli (23:18.183)
Yeah.

Wendy (23:21.696)
And then the whole paternity issue comes out, you know.

Kelli (23:24.275)
Mm.

Wendy (23:26.506)
wanting to know, know, does Jeremiah know anything about this? Like, I mean, she had the conversation. He was not that far away. And she said, well, you know, no, he doesn't know. He doesn't have social media. He's only nine. Okay, I get that he's only nine, but he knows.

Kelli (23:43.763)
He knows and like somebody said, his friends, his friend's parents, like you can't put something out on national television and think you're gonna hide it from your child. Even if he doesn't know today, he's going to know in two weeks from now and that's no different.

Wendy (23:49.058)
Right.

Wendy (23:55.234)
Right, right.

Wendy (24:03.0)
Yeah.

Right, right. mean Mia doesn't admit that she should not have put this information out there, that she shouldn't have put it on camera, but you know, once it's out, it's out.

Kelli (24:17.105)
That was her storyline though. That was her thing to get her back this year, know, saying that last year.

Wendy (24:26.592)
Mia says that they have now done a professional paternity test, even though I believe the first one was professional as well. And Jeremiah is Gordon's child.

Kelli (24:38.355)
So, where did I, so I don't know, you know, I didn't deal with IVF. Okay, so Kay says to Mia, your stories aren't adding up. And Wendy points out that you get, you have to take a pregnancy test before you do IVF, you know, somebody who's never had to deal with IVF, you wouldn't even, that wouldn't even occur to me, but it totally makes sense.

Wendy (24:46.029)
Mm-hmm.

Right.

Wendy (25:01.549)
Right.

Wendy (25:06.957)
Right, no, it's.

Kelli (25:07.281)
And Mia's arguing it. It's like, what are you doing?

Wendy (25:11.062)
Right, right, doesn't, listen, no.

Kelli (25:14.615)
None of it makes sense. So, Inc. could not have impregnated her before IVF because they would have known she was pregnant. I mean, you know, the kid's what, nine years old? The technology was out 10 years ago where if you were two weeks pregnant, if an IVF doctor is testing you, not, you know, clear blue from Walmart, but if an IVF doctor is testing you, they're gonna know you're pregnant.

Wendy (25:26.509)
Yeah.

Wendy (25:44.888)
Definitely they will know you're pregnant. I mean, and if she's doing IVF, that means that they have retrieved her eggs and then they've created ovaries and they're implanting ovaries. I mean, yeah, they recreate embryos, I'm sorry. I'm like, ovaries, no, embryos. No, they're retrieving her eggs and they are creating embryos with his sperm and they're implanting embryos.

Kelli (26:01.639)
I knew what you meant. No, we can't create ovaries. But I knew what you meant.

Kelli (26:14.333)
Right.

Wendy (26:15.082)
So, you know, they know what's going on in there. Like they know what's going on.

Kelli (26:20.699)
Yes, exactly. to somebody who's, know, I mean, not only did I, like, I don't know, like, now I know people, but like, you know, it just never occurred to me, but now that I'm hearing it, I'm like, yeah, like, it's common sense, people. Like, how could she be lying about that? It's literally common sense.

Wendy (26:31.607)
Right.

Wendy (26:37.102)
I'm right.

Kelli (26:44.381)
She's sticking to it though. And the whole time this conversation's going on, don't know if you noticed this, Giselle's boob was literally about to pop out, like I was waiting for her nipple to just pop out.

Wendy (26:45.88)
Hmm.

Wendy (26:54.828)
I mean, we can certainly talk about that, because I was going to bring that up. Every single one of them had the worst dress for a reunion to be sitting down. All of their boobs were popping out, whether it was the side or the top, or they were pressed in so hard that they looked like they were in pain.

Kelli (27:13.043)
I'll make you laugh. I'm watching it last night and Tess was in the living room with me and Joe came in and I paused it and I paused it where like three of them were sitting there with their boobs like literally falling out of their dress. Joe, I saw, asked Joe a question and he went to answer and he looked at the TV. He's like, what are you watching? Like it was just, I just started laughing. I'm like, I know it's all boobs. He's like, they're all, it's all boobs. I'm like, I know.

Wendy (27:34.958)
you

It's so stupid like what

Kelli (27:41.221)
It looked ridiculous. It just looked ridiculous.

Wendy (27:44.302)
I just want to tell, I would like to fire all their stylists. need to fire, like why do they let them wear these dresses to a reunion? They are sitting down. Excuse me, any stylist for a housewife for a reunion, please make sure that the dress looks great or better sitting than it does standing.

Kelli (27:47.898)
Kelli (27:52.658)
Yeah.

Kelli (28:02.149)
Right, they're sitting for 12 hours. I mean, New York, did you notice in New York, every time they took a break, Cy took her dress off? When they were filming at break time, Cy had her dress off. I'm thinking, like, think about going to a wedding. You're there for five hours. Like, of course you wanna look amazing, but you also wanna be comfortable because you're wearing this for five hours. They're wearing this for 12.

Wendy (28:05.152)
Right.

Wendy (28:11.329)
Yeah.

Wendy (28:20.002)
Bye now.

Wendy (28:27.648)
Yeah, I've noticed many of the reunions where they do that. They'll take their dresses off on the breaks because like you said, they're very uncomfortable and you know.

Kelli (28:31.642)
Yeah!

Kelli (28:37.395)
Yeah.

Wendy (28:38.544)
You want to be comfortable.

Kelli (28:40.355)
it was definitely a boob vibe. Boob-themed reunion. Titties out.

Wendy (28:43.242)
Yes. Yes, it was. So then Andy asks Jacqueline, what's her take on this whole situation? And Jacqueline said, well, it's familiar. And he's like, well, what does that mean? And she said, well, I've seen this before with Gordon and they'll be getting along fine and everything's good. And then all of a sudden it's not.

Kelli (28:53.382)
I hate her.

Kelli (29:06.269)
She blames Gordon's mood swings.

Wendy (29:08.268)
Right.

But she did say, have told Mia that I don't think that Gordon and Ink should be around together around the kids. Which, I mean, we can certainly all agree on that.

Kelli (29:20.626)
Yeah.

Wendy (29:22.286)
Kay jumps in and says what she is seeing is Gordon is an elderly man and it almost looks like elder abuse. I thought that was a bit of a stretch.

Kelli (29:31.443)
That was a little harsh, Kay. I mean, even Giselle was like, like, damn.

Wendy (29:34.25)
Yeah, I thought that was a bit of a stretch. I'm like, alter abuse. And Mia said he's one way when, you know, we're there together and then all of a sudden the camera comes on and he turns into a different person and that he wanted to come here today to apologize to Mia and explain how, you know, he is the one who

Kelli (29:41.169)
That was harsh, that was harsh.

Wendy (30:02.944)
made this, I'm like, she wouldn't let him. She wouldn't let him.

Kelli (30:04.595)
So why didn't he? Right. Because that's not why he wanted to come. He was not going to apologize to her for doing anything. Making her look like a liar. She is a liar.

Wendy (30:13.675)
Right, right.

Wendy (30:18.006)
And I mean, she's a little foolish because they could certainly take a camera and go talk to G.

Kelli (30:24.605)
They probably will. Bravo, pick the cameras back up. Go talk to Jay. Somebody said it, was it Ashley or Giselle? They're like, where is Gordon? I think it was Ashley. Mia was spinning something and Ashley was like, where is Gordon?

Wendy (30:26.016)
I hope they do. Yeah, go talk to Jay. Please let us know. Yep.

Wendy (30:39.821)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (30:45.75)
And then Wendy brings up about Mia said, when we were in Miami and we were talking about the relationship of the group, you said we were all like Destiny's child. Everyone is Michelle and I'm Beyonce. And then everyone's like, wait, what's wrong with Michelle? I know.

Kelli (30:58.963)
crazy.

Kelli (31:04.719)
I mean for her to call herself Beyonce when Giselle has already said she has been mistaken for Beyonce. If I have to give the Beyonce to somebody, it's going to be Giselle.

Wendy (31:12.812)
Yeah.

Wendy (31:18.798)
Honestly, I would have to agree. I would have to agree in this group. In this group.

Kelli (31:20.657)
Yeah, for sure. And I would give Wendy Kelly. And the rest of them could be Michelle's. Now if there's anything wrong. I love Michelle. Yeah, yeah. Michelle has beautiful Christian songs.

Wendy (31:29.28)
Okay. That's what Wendy said she wanted to be Kelly, right? Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (31:39.819)
yeah.

Well, that's what they were doing before Destiny's Child. Kelly and Michelle were both doing like Christian music. Yeah, yeah. Let's see, what's next?

Kelli (31:45.787)
Was it?

Kelli (31:50.431)
I didn't know that.

Kelli (31:57.107)
Andy asks Jaclyn about Mia and she said that Mia has always been honest with her, but she does exaggerate. So to me, that's the closest you're gonna get to Jaclyn saying that Mia's lying.

Wendy (32:05.388)
Yes. Yes.

Wendy (32:11.254)
Yes, that's it. That's all she's gonna get. And then a viewer asks Mia if she's all stressed out about her children, what makes her think it's okay to bring up Gisele's daughters? And Mia said, well, I didn't think it was okay. And I apologized to her. And Gisele says, well, then, you know, when Ashley was dressed in drag, you went after me again about my daughters and you got up in my face again.

Kelli (32:39.569)
And why they didn't air that. We saw it last night, but they didn't air that.

Wendy (32:42.934)
Yeah, they didn't air it. didn't air it. And Gisele said, I mean, honestly, what Gisele said was harsh. She said, you're a terrible mother and I stand by it. I mean, that's harsh. It really is. It's harsh. It's harsh. I think I would have gotten up to. I mean, I don't know. So she did. got up and she said, I'm done.

Kelli (32:55.677)
That is harsh. I agree. That's harsh.

Kelli (33:01.81)
Yeah.

Kelli (33:08.339)
I I do agree that putting the paternity of your child on national television is unacceptable. But I don't think she should call her a terrible mother.

Wendy (33:13.87)
I do too. I do too.

Wendy (33:20.859)
No, think that those are harsh words.

Kelli (33:24.997)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (33:27.15)
so she goes and walks off. we see Greg and Eddie are in the back and they FaceTime TJ. And, you know, he said he had to get evacuated because of the fire. And Eddie said, we're here at the reunion and TJ's exact words are, he's done with that fake ass bullshit.

And then Wendy gets the text from Eddie about his conversation on camera. And then we see the coming up next. We're going to see the bombshell about TJ and Karen being with a man the night of the accident. Right. So the next episode is going to be really good too.

Kelli (34:03.623)
Yes, yes, yeah, they haven't even mentioned that yet.

Kelli (34:11.269)
It is. A lot of people online I saw on social media today were like, the reunion's making up for a bad season. I don't think it was a bad season. I think it was a fine season. I mean, I'm tired of the Mia bullshit, but I think we're seeing the best version of Giselle we've ever seen. And I think that Karen's true colors are coming through. And I, listen, I stand corrected. I was always a Karen fan. I always thought I always liked Karen more than Giselle, but I think that

Wendy (34:18.542)
I don't either. do too.

Kelli (34:41.095)
Karen's days are done on Real Housewives of Potomac. Although, you know, I don't know, you know, we have to see because again, they brought Teresa back and, you know, she went to prison. So we'll see, but they're certainly not gonna halt filming for her like they did.

Wendy (34:42.412)
No. Yeah.

Wendy (34:47.5)
I agree.

Wendy (34:54.818)
Yeah.

Wendy (35:02.51)
No, they are not going to halt filming. I mean, we are recording this on Tuesday evening, the 25th. On the 26th, she is supposed to be sentenced. But her attorney has sent, yes, her two new attorneys has sent a message to the judge and has some new information, which really isn't new information.

Kelli (35:15.475)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (35:19.612)
new attorney.

Wendy (35:32.846)
And I don't know if she will. I hope that she's still sentenced. I hope whatever this attorney's trying to do, I hope that it just gets, she gets, it's been going on since last March.

Kelli (35:42.865)
Listen, it all comes down to the judge and the judge should say, no, we're not putting this off. She's being sentenced tomorrow. This has gone on long enough. This is her fourth offense, fourth. There are Ubers, there are taxis, there are people to call to drive you home. You chose to do none of that. And you chose to get behind the wheel, we think, unless somebody else was driving and they're not coming forward.

Wendy (35:48.554)
Right. Right.

Wendy (35:57.292)
Right. Right.

Wendy (36:03.693)
Yes.

Kelli (36:10.811)
Which, I don't know, at this point, all of the strings they're trying to pull, don't you think at this point if somebody else were driving, they would have said it by now? Yeah, exactly.

Wendy (36:18.838)
I would certainly hope so. I mean, we also saw a clip earlier on where Wendy said that she goes someplace and they said that Karen is in there every day drunk. We haven't seen that yet. Right, right. So we're gonna hear from Ashley, we're gonna hear from Wendy. I mean, I don't know. I mean, I can't imagine that somebody else was driving that car and she's gonna go down for this.

Kelli (36:29.873)
I'm sure that will be on the next one, right? Yeah.

Kelli (36:36.4)
Yeah.

Kelli (36:45.221)
No, me neither. She had to have been driving, but I mean, to hear the way she was talking when she got pulled out of that car.

Like nobody thought to stop her unless wherever she was she has been there before drinking, exhibited this behavior, left and was fine. Not fine, but got home, managed to get home. So this was like any other night with her, which is sad.

Wendy (37:15.191)
Yeah.

It is sad. It is sad. Well, you know, we're just going to have to wait and see. So we're going to have to, when we find out the news, will, you know, we'll do a post about it.

Kelli (37:28.209)
Yeah, or maybe a quick little pod.

Wendy (37:30.466)
Yeah, we can just jump on or just do a quick TikTok, whatever. Yeah, because we're all interested. We want to know what's going to happen to Karen.

Kelli (37:39.035)
Yeah, I think she has to face some consequences.

Wendy (37:44.3)
I do too. do too. And I will listen, I, what do you think? Do you think Ray is going to stick by her? I think he is actually. I think Ray is going to stick by Karen.

Kelli (37:51.078)
Of course.

I think at this point, if the rumors are true about blue eyes and all that, listen, maybe they just have that kind of marriage. He's older than her. It's the same thing with Gordon and Mia. I mean, little bit of age differences, like, know, Ray's of a certain age where he's, know, Karen's his partner, his person, and you know, through thick or thin, where's he going? You know, where's he going?

Wendy (38:02.06)
Yes, yes.

Wendy (38:15.21)
Right. Right.

Kelli (38:18.865)
And I'm sure it's the same thing with Gordon and me. I'm sure they weren't really having an intimate relationship at this point, especially if he was having mental health issues, but that's his person and you know, all right. So you wanna see ink on the side and we'll just keep on keeping on.

Wendy (38:28.813)
Right.

Wendy (38:35.468)
Yeah, but be discreet about it next time.

Kelli (38:38.003)
Oh, for the love of God. But yeah, I think Rae will stick by her, especially because, you know, their daughter Raven.

Wendy (38:40.28)
Yeah.

Wendy (38:46.083)
Yeah.

Kelli (38:47.707)
It's a very sad situation. You don't want to see this happen to anyone. Before times, she has to face some consequences. Two, we thought it was two, right?

Wendy (38:53.463)
No.

Wendy (38:59.33)
Yeah, and supposedly the third one was, it was dropped down to a lesser charge, but it was a DUI. They pulled strings to get...

Kelli (39:07.229)
Yeah. Remember when Monique, remember when this happened with Monique and they were, they tried to bury her with it, those women.

Wendy (39:12.362)
yes.

Wendy (39:16.641)
Yes.

Yeah, I do remember that.

Kelli (39:19.571)
I wish I knew what season it was because I'd like to go back and watch and see how Karen reacted. But I think she was good with Monique because I think Giselle, yeah, because I think Giselle was the one who was the hardest on Monique. So I think Karen was, know, because it's always that way, whoever Giselle doesn't like, Karen moves, he's up to. So.

Wendy (39:28.643)
Karen's such a hypocrite. She's such a hypocrite. I'm sure.

Was she?

Wendy (39:47.041)
Right.

Kelli (39:48.467)
I'm gonna try to go back and see what season that was.

Wendy (39:52.874)
Alright. I know. In your spare time.

Kelli (39:53.981)
Cause these are the things I think about.

My spare time.

I

Wendy (40:01.964)
I don't have anything else, guess we just have to wait. We have one more episode of The Reunion and then we'll be done with Potomac.

Kelli (40:11.955)
Atlanta's gotta be starting soon, right?

Wendy (40:13.854)
Atlanta and the Love Hotel and something else is coming up too.

Kelli (40:17.17)
yeah, love hotel.

Kelli (40:23.385)
well, we still have Beverly Hills.

Wendy (40:26.788)
yes, we do. But I think the next episode is the finale or the one before. I think there's only two more episodes. Yes, I think so.

Kelli (40:33.799)
Beverly Hills? That's a short season. I feel like it just started.

Wendy (40:38.35)
Let me see, we are on Beverly Hills, let me check. Episode 12 we did last. yeah, yeah, and Potomac, oh, well actually Potomac had 17. That's a lot.

Kelli (40:48.443)
well yeah, we're getting there.

Kelli (41:00.253)
that like before the reunion started. that is a lot. Yeah.

Wendy (41:03.574)
Yeah, before the reunion, that's a lot, yeah. You know what, it varies. We never know what we're getting anymore because Roni only had 15. They cut short, right, right.

Kelli (41:13.171)
Yeah, well they got cut short, right? Because of the trip. But we've said it before, Jersey never has 15 anymore.

Wendy (41:18.678)
Jersey got cut short. Well, this time they got cut short. This season got cut short,

Kelli (41:23.623)
Yeah.

Did you see where somebody called into radio Andy and because he was on vacation when that bullshit came out and Andy was like, there are no decisions. Nothing has been said, no decisions have been made. I hope he realizes that it was Teresa's camp that put this out. I know, I know.

Wendy (41:48.12)
He's not stupid. He knows what's going on. Someone also asked Andy about... What is her name? Kelly Ben-Symon. So Kelly Ben-Symon has given Andy a list of other housewives and he confirmed that in fact she did give him a list with herself also on it. And one of the people on the list, they both know would never do it.

Kelli (41:59.633)
Wendy (42:17.452)
like would never do the show. And she also has herself as like the center person to all the other people that she's put on the list. And that's all he'll confirm.

Kelli (42:19.206)
Interesting.

Kelli (42:26.515)
Sure she does.

Kelli (42:30.343)
I wonder if the other person's like Kelly Ripa.

Wendy (42:34.122)
Whoever the other person was, I think they've already been asked and said no. So they like know that this person is not gonna do it. I don't know, I don't think they would do this. don't Kelly, Kelly Ripper would never do it. Yeah.

Kelli (42:44.561)
No, that's what I mean. If it's somebody they both know would never do it. Because she's like the quintessential, even though she's from like Philly area, she's like the quintessential new. She is from Jersey, I'm sorry. She is from Jersey, but she used to film that show, Dance Party USA, which I believe was filmed in Philly. That's where she, you know, first was on TV before she started acting in a soap opera. You're right, she is a Jersey girl. I think, but South Jersey near Philly, I think.

Wendy (42:48.331)
No, I think it's somebody that

Wendy (42:52.652)
No, she's from Jersey!

She's from Jersey, she's from Jersey.

Wendy (43:08.205)
Yeah.

Wendy (43:13.504)
It could be. Or actually, something tells me Monmouth County.

Kelli (43:19.483)
I don't think, I don't know. Listen, we're gonna do the research people, we'll get back to you. We're gonna fact check all of this.

Wendy (43:21.557)
I don't know either.

Wendy (43:25.858)
Or maybe we don't. Listen, if you guys have the answers to these questions.

Kelli (43:28.317)
I had a couple of glasses of wine. I could forget about this in 10 minutes. They did a wine tasting. I told you they did a wine tasting at Tess's work. And there was a $30 bottle of wine that I tasted, but I'm cheap, I'm not buying the $30 bottle. So I bought it, I did buy a $20 bottle and brought it to AC with us. So there was like three quarters of the bottle left at the end of the tasting. And the nice gentleman who owned the winery

Wendy (43:38.157)
Yeah, yeah.

Kelli (43:57.317)
sent it home with Tess and said your mom liked this. Or maybe it was her manager. Maybe it was Tess's manager. Wasn't that so nice? I know. I love my daughter's job. Go to Lovoti's liquor store and bring

Wendy (44:02.616)
Somebody sent it home and you got it. That's so nice. That is a nice little perk. Yes. That was a nice little perk. That's a nice perk.

Kelli (44:15.227)
Yeah, I think it was her manager. He's very very sweet.

Wendy (44:20.462)
Okay, well until next time, thank you for watching and listening to We Wine Whenever. Please give us five star reviews and subscribe. Check out our YouTube channel. If you're just listening to us, check out YouTube. You get to see us. Sometimes we make funny faces. You know, you never know. So.

Kelli (44:34.002)
We do.

And we had a very nice night in AC Sunday night. We stayed at Ocean Resort, which I love the rooms there. Aren't the rooms beautiful? They're very spacious, ocean view. We stayed at Ocean Resort. We spent the night there, dinner, the whole thing. And then the next day we went to Hard Rock Spa and that was very relaxing. We spent hours there because the facility is so nice. So check those two places out in Atlantic City.

Wendy (44:44.376)
The rooms are very nice. Yes.

Wendy (44:55.906)
Yes.

Wendy (45:01.942)
Yes. Yeah, and we're going to post those too on our social media, so check it out.

Kelli (45:07.505)
Yep. Bye.

Wendy (45:09.154)
Bye.