RHOBH-Shade, Showdowns, and Hotdogs

RHOBH-Shade, Showdowns, and Hotdogs

Leaving Georgia & Personal Reflections

• Erika is having furniture delivered.
• Dorit invites Boz to a Fourth of July party.
• Garcelle confesses to Dorit about eavesdropping on her conversation with her mom; Reba overhears.
• Kyle reflects on returning to an empty home.
• Sutton has a heartfelt moment with her mom, ensuring an annual “I love you” tradition.

Boz’s Fertility Journey & Past Struggles

• Boz discusses pregnancy plans with cousin Tina.
• She shares her difficult past pregnancies, including the loss of her daughter, Eve, due to preeclampsia.
• Her second pregnancy was full of anxiety, and now, 15 years later, she faces new challenges.

Fourth of July Party Drama

• Sutton arrives at Dorit’s house but is ignored for nearly 40 minutes.
• Dorit awkwardly takes Sutton’s handbag, joking that Sutton “owes” her.
• Garcelle arrives and trips in the backyard.
• Tension escalates between Sutton and Dorit over drinking comments. Sutton calls Dorit a "bitch" and storms out.
• Kyle and Garcelle chase after Sutton, frustrating Dorit.

Boz’s Entrance & More Conflict

• Boz enters saying, "Excuse me, bitches," which Garcelle shuts down.
• Kyle and Garcelle convince Sutton to stay.
• Erika arrives, unaware of the ongoing drama.
• Boz criticizes the group’s lack of decorum and Sutton’s need for coddling.
• Dorit vents to Boz about Sutton's behavior.

More Clashes & Resolutions

• Garcelle calls out Boz for previously calling Kyle "cold."
• Kyle feels Boz is unfairly hard on her.
• Kyle and Dorit argue, but eventually, they hug and reconcile.

Kyle & Dorit’s Deep Conversation

• Kyle sees Dorit’s messy home, realizing something is off.
• Kyle confesses she and Mo initially planned a six-month separation, but he keeps buying furniture.
• Dorit questions if Kyle wants to get back together, but Kyle is uncertain.
• Dorit feels PK is "50 steps ahead" in their separation.
• One week later, Mo is spotted kissing a blonde in Greece.

Takeaways

• The episode highlights the complexities of family dynamics among the cast.
• Sutton's insecurities stem from childhood trauma and affect her interactions.
• Fashion choices are a recurring theme, with differing opinions on style.
• Social interactions at the party reveal underlying tensions among the characters.
• Conflict arises when personal issues spill over into social settings.
• The hosts express differing views on the appropriateness of certain comments.
• Awkward moments at the party create a sense of discomfort for some characters.
• The importance of communication and apologies in resolving conflicts is emphasized.
• The hosts reflect on their own experiences with similar social situations.
• The episode showcases the blend of humor and drama that defines the series. Language shapes our perceptions and interactions.
• Empathy is crucial in understanding others' perspectives.
• Conflict often arises from misunderstandings and manipulation.
• Support from friends can help navigate difficult situations.
• Divorce can lead to personal growth and new beginnings.
• Moving on requires self-reflection and courage.

Transcript

Wendy (00:00.844)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:03.445)
I'm Kelly.

We Wine Whenever (00:04.474)
And I'm Lori.

Wendy (00:06.158)
We are talking about Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, season 14, episode number 12, The Land of the Free and the Home of the Shade. I like it for Fourth of July party. I mean, it's appropriate. So we start out with the ladies are getting ready to leave Georgia and Erica's having some furniture delivered.

Kelli (00:20.323)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (00:20.326)
There you go. Yeah, Definitely appropriate.

Kelli (00:23.171)
for sure.

Wendy (00:33.4)
Dorit invites Baz to the Fourth of July party at her house. And back in Georgia, Garcelle starts confessing to Sutton that her and Kyle were listening to the conversation between her and her mom. And her mom is standing there in the kitchen listening to her confess to it. And they don't even know it. I'm just like, you guys are really, are really, I know, like you.

Kelli (00:57.357)
I know. She was literally right there.

Wendy (01:01.558)
You guys are really bad at this. So it was a good interaction though. Then Kyle is there and she's kind of reflecting on the fact that she's going to be going home to an empty house and almost considering like asking them if they want to extend it another day in Georgia because you know, she's got nothing to go home to.

Kelli (01:03.558)
my God.

Kelli (01:22.027)
Yeah, she's got nothing to go home to. Garcelle does though. She's got, you know, teenage boys.

Wendy (01:28.62)
Yeah, yeah, definitely Garcella does. And then...

Kelli (01:30.637)
which I'm hoping somebody else was watching them because, you know, that's recipe for disaster.

We Wine Whenever (01:34.598)
Yeah, it's a lot of trouble.

Wendy (01:36.608)
I'm sure someone had an eye on them. I mean, they do have a father, right? But Sutton with her mom, she said that, you know, she's going to hold her to saying, love you once a year. And her mom says to her, well, when are we going to do this? And she said, I guess Christmas. And then Sutton said, I love you, Reba. And then Reba said, I love you, Sutton. Just right there out of the blue. And you could say that's all Sutton wanted. Like that.

Kelli (01:39.661)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (02:00.671)
Mm-hmm. Thank God.

Wendy (02:05.068)
That was a success. was the whole reason she went there.

Kelli (02:07.915)
Yeah, that's what Garcelle said. This is why we came here.

Wendy (02:10.508)
Yep, I was so happy to see that.

Kelli (02:12.985)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (02:13.362)
And you could definitely tell that, you know, that's definitely part of Sutton's whole problem and her whole demeanor is she's a very insecure person. it's, you know, because of her, her, you know, childhood trauma, her, you know, early adulthood trauma. mean, there was a lot of goings on there and it's definitely shaped her into who she is. And I think she can be very,

Kelli (02:26.2)
Yes.

Kelli (02:32.909)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (02:43.08)
prickly. And I don't think that she... Yeah. Yeah. I don't think she means to be. I just think it's her coping mechanism, how she... Yeah.

Kelli (02:45.507)
Well, and her husband leaving her didn't help that either.

Kelli (02:53.027)
She's guarded.

Wendy (02:54.316)
Yeah. So one of the things I did learn, I watched the after show last week.

We Wine Whenever (03:00.882)
gonna sneeze but I didn't. Thank goodness. Thank goodness.

Wendy (03:02.206)
yeah. I watched the after show last week and they were talking about Reba going to school. So she went to school in the early 70s. So she had been a therapist for quite some time. Yeah. And then we see Bozema's cousin, Tina, comes over and she says that they're very close. They're even closer than her two sisters. They're because they're 10 months apart in age.

Kelli (03:02.553)
Well, God bless you anyway.

We Wine Whenever (03:17.256)
So she did, yeah.

Wendy (03:31.683)
And I just have to say that dress that Bozeman was wearing was beautiful, that yellow dress, but once again, those yellow earrings were horrible.

We Wine Whenever (03:39.888)
Listen, everybody online is always coming for Boz's earrings. I love all her earrings. I love all her big ass earrings. I love them. I don't know what everybody's problem is, but I think she can carry it off and I love them. I I love that she wears such obnoxious big earrings. I love it. I'm here for it. You go, girl. No, I like it.

Kelli (03:40.184)
Yeah.

Kelli (04:02.061)
They are so big!

Wendy (04:04.78)
I'm not. mean, if anybody can pull it off, her, but I still don't like, especially those red ones. I mean, they're just, I know. It is, it's too much. Like she can barely move her head. I don't know. I think the red ones are just too much. That's just my opinion. You know, we're all entitled. Right? Yes, we all are. And she obviously likes them.

Kelli (04:09.123)
for sure.

We Wine Whenever (04:12.419)
I love the red ones.

Kelli (04:13.879)
It's just overwhelming.

We Wine Whenever (04:23.89)
Yeah.

Kelli (04:24.024)
And you are entitled to have one. Yes, we are.

We Wine Whenever (04:27.74)
Yeah. That's right. And I like them. You don't like them. So there you go.

Wendy (04:32.65)
She obviously likes them. That's why she picked them out. So she's telling Tina about Keely and her that they need to see, you know, all the things that they need to do to see if she can get pregnant. And then we find out that she hasn't really had easy pregnancies, which I was very surprised to hear. So she had, she had got pregnant early. She was young and it was unexpected. And

We Wine Whenever (04:35.037)
Good?

Kelli (04:35.171)
That is true.

We Wine Whenever (04:52.968)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (04:53.027)
Yeah.

Wendy (05:01.736)
she had a daughter named Eve. Five months into her pregnancy, she found out that she had preeclampsia. And then at six and a half months, her blood pressure spiked. So they rushed her to the hospital. They had the whole team there waiting for her and the baby didn't make it. that is traumatic. Six and a half months pregnant, that is traumatic.

Kelli (05:21.953)
Yeah, that's terrible. So of course she's gonna be nervous during any pregnancy, nevermind at a certain age.

We Wine Whenever (05:22.948)
Very tremendous. Yeah.

Wendy (05:30.144)
Absolutely, absolutely. And then two months after she lost Eve, she decided that she was meant to be a mother. And then she got pregnant with Lael. And that pregnancy was terrifying because she was so worried she couldn't even enjoy it. know, she was every single day she'd wake up and, you know, be worried. Now she's 15 years older. Which that doesn't add up. I thought her daughter was older than that, but maybe not.

We Wine Whenever (05:30.448)
Absolutely. Yeah.

Kelli (05:47.586)
Absolutely.

Kelli (05:53.913)
Yeah.

Wendy (06:01.082)
but there's a lot involved and I'm really honestly surprised. I mean, I get it that, you know, she wants to help have a baby for him and you know, maybe she wants another baby too, but I'm just surprised she would want to carry it. Yeah. I mean, just because of her, her age, just because of that very reason, you know, I mean, it could still be your baby, but, also on the after show, that's the other thing I learned that

Kelli (06:14.659)
Yeah, like maybe a surrogate would be, yeah, a better idea, but.

Kelli (06:22.701)
Yeah.

Wendy (06:30.562)
her and Keely say, love you all the time to each other. So our concern that there wasn't love there is for no reason, because there's plenty of love. There's plenty of love there. So Sutton's getting ready to go to the 4th of July party at Doreth's and she's talking to her glam squad and you could tell she really doesn't wanna go.

Kelli (06:38.381)
Glad to hear. Glad to hear that.

We Wine Whenever (06:54.308)
You know, really think that she shouldn't have gone. And you know what? Sometimes trying to be nice and trying to do the right thing backfires and you should really just go with what's good for you instead of what's good for other people because sometimes it's just not a good thing.

Kelli (06:54.489)
She should have run.

Kelli (07:16.215)
Yeah, I agree.

Wendy (07:17.14)
I agree. I totally agree. you know, I'm sure with her hindsight, she would agree that she shouldn't have gone, but she did, she did try. And then we see Erica's on FaceTime with Kyle. And Erica tells Kyle what Bozema said to Kathy at the dinner party about Kyle being cold. So now Kyle's feeling a certain way about going to this party too.

We Wine Whenever (07:24.008)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (07:46.062)
So Sutton arrives there first and she walks in and she's yelling hello, is anyone here? And she sits down and she's all by herself and she got there at 1.22 and Kyle showed up at 1.45. I'll be honest with you, that's awkward. That's awkward.

Kelli (08:07.385)
Yeah, but I'm sorry. Sutton walking in, we're at the barbecue, right? Sutton walks in? Okay. Sutton walks in and just starts yelling, hello, hello. You knew people were outside. You definitely, the whole back of the house was open. You knew people were outside. If nobody was in the house, walk to the backyard. Don't just stand there.

We Wine Whenever (08:07.622)
It is awkward, but I would've-

Wendy (08:12.684)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (08:12.902)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (08:33.02)
Get a hot dog!

Kelli (08:34.665)
awkwardly yelling hello and when no one answers be like, I'm just gonna sit here. Well then you're gonna sit there alone because everybody else is outside because it's a barbecue.

We Wine Whenever (08:44.38)
Yeah, go get a hot dog, get a drink, go say hi to somebody, sit the hell down, do whatever you gotta do. But you know what?

Kelli (08:45.997)
Yeah. Yeah.

When I'm hosting, like this is what my mother does. I love my mother. Say I host Easter and say I tell everybody to come over at two o'clock. My mother will call me at three and be like, do you need anything? I'm getting ready to head over. Well, if I needed something, it would have been an hour ago. So at this point, please don't call me. Cause you know how I am when I have something. I'm like all over the place and cuckoo.

We Wine Whenever (08:54.246)
You're busy!

Wendy (09:03.8)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (09:12.103)
Right, not now.

Kelli (09:21.713)
and I can't talk on the phone right now, I'm sorry. So you know when somebody's hosting, like it just so happened Dory was upstairs, but she could have been out in the backyard with her guests.

We Wine Whenever (09:24.998)
Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (09:34.982)
Yeah. Not sitting, not sitting around waiting for you to show up. Right.

Kelli (09:38.659)
for Sutton to show up. Yeah, I thought that that was very odd of Sutton.

Wendy (09:44.374)
Well, I will say, I don't think she felt comfortable to begin with. And I guess if she's going out there and she doesn't know anybody, that's going to be another level of discomfort because there was a lot of kids outside.

Kelli (09:57.955)
She should have came with someone. should have, like the OC girls always travel together.

Wendy (10:00.844)
I definitely agree.

I agree. definitely should have come. She should have come with somebody. I agree with you on that. Because it was awkward. And I also will say that, once again, she is from the South. And Southern people tend to host things a little bit differently. I mean, she would have had Avi there answering the door, even if she wasn't there. And it's not like... Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (10:04.2)
Why didn't she come with her buddy Garcelle?

Kelli (10:06.293)
Exactly. Or Kyle.

Kelli (10:11.116)
Yeah.

Kelli (10:29.663)
after meeting Reba?

I'm not, I'm not sold on the whole Southern hosting thing. I'm not impressed with the Southern hospitality. Exactly. Exactly.

Wendy (10:34.798)
You're not buying it.

We Wine Whenever (10:36.197)
You're not impressed with the Southern hospitality. Yeah. But you know what, really Sutton, I think she would have found a problem no matter what, because she was just in the mode. She's in a mode.

Wendy (10:39.977)
Okay, all right, all

Kelli (10:46.263)
That's what I mean. I totally agree with you. It was overly dramatic.

Wendy (10:47.948)
Well, she was definitely in a mood. then Dorit does come downstairs, Kyle walks in and then Dorit comes down a little bit after that and Dorit goes over to Kyle and hugs her. And meanwhile Sutton's still just sitting there like waiting for her greeting.

Kelli (11:03.223)
And she gets annoyed, but your bestie just cut her off as she got to the bottom of the steps. I mean, guess she could have out of the corner of her eye been like, hi Sutton, how are you? But Sutton probably would have had a problem with that because it was a half-assed hello because then she went to talk to Kyle. Like you said, think Sutton was gonna have a problem with whatever she did. Yeah.

Wendy (11:10.765)
Yeah.

Wendy (11:20.61)
Yeah.

Wendy (11:24.19)
Yeah, it was awkward. then the whole thing with the handbag and she, and I'm going to take it and you owe me this and, Kyle, the look on Kyle's face when they're going back and forth. I was just like, this is so awkward. Right.

We Wine Whenever (11:27.868)
That was weird. That was just weird.

Kelli (11:28.601)
That was very weird.

We Wine Whenever (11:37.308)
This is weird.

Kelli (11:37.613)
Very, very weird. Yeah, very weird.

We Wine Whenever (11:40.456)
I didn't get it. I don't know what was trying to go on there, but I didn't get it.

Wendy (11:45.866)
It was weird. then Kyle walks outside and they go outside and Garcelle gets there and as she's walking into the backyard, she trips. Thank God she didn't fall. I know. I know.

We Wine Whenever (11:55.858)
She almost face planted, she almost face planted. And I've done that before. And I did that at my father-in-law's wake. my gosh. There was a step and I had like on like black flowy pants and the bottom of my heel caught in the bottom of my pants. I can't believe I didn't like face plant, but it's.

Kelli (11:57.465)
That was bad.

Kelli (12:08.921)
Aww.

Kelli (12:18.713)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (12:21.99)
That's such a horrible feeling when you almost fall like that. It's so scary. I felt so bad for her.

Kelli (12:26.167)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (12:27.744)
Yeah, I did too. So then Garcelle asks Sutton, she sits down, she's like, what she's drinking, she said it's a watermelon something. And Garcelle says, is there alcohol in that? And Sutton says, yes. Drea said, you asked Sutton if there's alcohol, if she's drinking?

Kelli (12:49.027)
That was totally unnecessary.

Wendy (12:50.464)
that was and Sutton says, Dorit, shut up. And Sutton says, don't be a bitch. And I don't blame her. I mean, I don't know about the don't be a bitch, but it was not called for.

Kelli (13:00.483)
Well, don't accuse, you're basically accusing her of having an alcohol issue. So don't accuse somebody of having an alcohol issue if you don't want them to call you a bitch. Again, I don't find bitch so offensive.

We Wine Whenever (13:09.515)
why did-

Wendy (13:11.479)
It's so funny.

We Wine Whenever (13:12.604)
But why did Garcelle even say it? Yeah. Right.

Wendy (13:15.318)
She was genuine, she was curious, cause she's like thinking, yeah, she's like, and she said a watermelon something and she's like, is there alcohol in it? Like she was deciding whether or not she wanted it. Yeah, yeah, because then afterwards they're all like, I'm gonna go get the watermelon thing. know, like that's, think if Erica said, I'm gonna get the watermelon thing, like whatever that watermelon drink was. But Garcelle meant no disrespect at all. She didn't meet Jade, she didn't. But.

Kelli (13:17.987)
She was like, what are you drinking?

We Wine Whenever (13:24.334)
Whether she wanted one. Okay, I see. I see. Okay.

Kelli (13:25.953)
Right. Right.

Wendy (13:43.36)
I mean, Doritmeche, that's what she meant.

Wendy (13:48.64)
So Sutton said she's already implied before that she had a drinking problem. And we see all the scenes where they cut back to that. And she never apologized for that. And Dorit said, if you could do me a favor, don't call me a bitch in my house. And Sutton's like, that's it. I'm leaving. I don't need to stay here. I don't need to be here and be uncomfortable. I don't need this. And then Dorit's like, well, I don't want to fight with you.

then say you're sorry. Then apologize.

Kelli (14:18.615)
Right, then why did you just make the snide comment about her drinking?

Wendy (14:22.412)
Right, all you need to do at this point, if you don't want to fight with her, is just apologize. You know what, I should not have said that, I'm totally wrong, I'm sorry. What can I get you? Do you me get you a hot dog? Whatever. But no, she couldn't do that. So of course, Garcelle and Kyle go after her because they just spent three or four days down in Georgia with her and her mother and they know how emotional that whole situation was, so they can't just watch her walk out.

Kelli (14:47.927)
No, but before they follow her out, Garcelle does go over to the bar and she's like, hey, can I get one of those watermelon drinks, please? She did order herself a drink, which I would have done the same.

We Wine Whenever (14:54.706)
Yeah.

Wendy (14:54.71)
Yeah!

We Wine Whenever (14:59.1)
But really, Sutton did drag it out though. If you wanna leave, then leave. Don't like dick around by the front door. And I think when Bose came up to them later on and said, what are you doing? Why you all hanging out by the front? It's because it's basically really, Sutton, if you wanna leave, fucking leave. Don't be like.

Kelli (15:04.8)
I totally agree with you.

Kelli (15:10.38)
Yes.

Kelli (15:16.247)
Yes.

Kelli (15:23.137)
I have that written down somewhere. I have the same thing written down. Make a decision, stay or go.

We Wine Whenever (15:26.032)
Right? Like, come on. Yeah, just say or go. Like, do whatever you're doing, but don't like, dig around at the front door of somebody's party. And Boz was kind of right.

Wendy (15:35.406)
I think she was giving them a chance to talk to her because Garcelle and Kyle were sitting there talking to her, trying to convince her to stay.

Kelli (15:44.791)
Yeah, no, I know, it just dragged on too long. Because people are coming in, Bose comes in with her entourage. How many people did you have with her? Did you see that? Yeah. And then Erica comes in and they're like, what's going on? Like, why are you guys sitting by the front door? and Kathy comes in.

We Wine Whenever (15:47.676)
Yeah, it was just drag down. Right.

You should grow a lot of people out of this lampet.

Wendy (15:59.232)
Right. And then Cathy comes in.

We Wine Whenever (16:01.064)
No, what it like? Yeah, like what? Yeah. And what about Kyle and her confessional saying, you know, Sutton's the one who gave Kyle such a hard time about her leaving the party, which is true.

Wendy (16:11.406)
yeah.

Kelli (16:12.385)
Yeah. Did you see how, right.

Wendy (16:13.974)
Yeah, she's like, it's not lost on me.

We Wine Whenever (16:16.294)
And I love how Kathy Hilton was the only one who came in and after she came in, she closed the door. I mean, it was just weird that she just, she had her door. Maybe, maybe, but you know, the door was like, this door was just like front door is just like continuously just open. I don't know. We have bugs around here when it's nice how you have a screen door, like, but Dorit's door was just open and, Kathy was the only one who after she came in, closed the door.

Kelli (16:25.315)
they probably had to reshoot their entrances a couple of times.

Kelli (16:39.723)
I know.

Kelli (16:46.275)
That's because you're only getting one take with Kathy Hilton. Take it or leave it. She's like, I'm walking in the door the way I want to, and you're not telling me to do it over. But did you see how Boz ran right over when Kathy walked in the house? She didn't go over before that. Erica came in, Kyle was sitting there, Garcelle was sitting there. As soon as Kathy came in, Boz was like, I better go see what's going on. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (16:49.468)
Maybe that was it.

Wendy (16:53.123)
There you go.

But what about

Wendy (17:10.894)
Yeah, but she starts with, excuse me, bitches. That's what she said. And Garcelle's like, Ooh, I don't know if that's the way to start this. Because after what just happened.

Kelli (17:14.957)
Yeah, not, yeah.

Kelli (17:21.527)
Yeah, mean Garcelle did check. She checked, Bose.

Wendy (17:26.006)
Yeah, and honestly, Gorsel's the only one who can check bows.

Kelli (17:29.803)
Yeah, yeah. mean, Bose wasn't wrong. either something's leaving or staying. Like, make a move. For sure. For sure.

We Wine Whenever (17:36.976)
That's what I'm saying. Yeah, it's just whatever it is that can happen.

Wendy (17:38.816)
No, I agree with that. No, I totally agree with that.

We Wine Whenever (17:42.76)
And I mean, when I walk in someplace, if I'm in a good mood and my friends are there, I could be like, what's up bitches? So like she didn't know what just went on, so.

Kelli (17:52.889)
I think it's different, like if you walked in my house and Wendy and I were sitting in the living room and you were like, what's up bitches? That's one thing, but they were clear, there was clearly a problem. And Bo's went over and was like, and you know.

Wendy (18:07.35)
She knew that there was a problem because Dorit said they are all following her out. just like an FYI, know Kelly, you said you don't mind being called a bitch. Lori, do you mind being called a bitch? See, and I don't.

Kelli (18:08.877)
Yeah.

Right.

We Wine Whenever (18:19.231)
Call whatever you want. don't care what you call me.

Kelli (18:20.589)
Yeah, for some reason it's just not offensive to me. I mean, it's not great, but yeah, I'm not, I mean, I don't really, you

Wendy (18:23.148)
I don't like it. I don't like it. Don't call me a bitch, okay? Because I don't like it.

We Wine Whenever (18:27.816)
All right, well, listen, don't be a bitch, Wendy, ever. And we won't have to call you one.

Wendy (18:32.142)
I don't like the word bitch. I just don't I don't know why but I don't like it But like you said some people don't mind and I think I think

We Wine Whenever (18:38.904)
I thought that she said that when she first walked into the door. I thought when she walked up to the

Wendy (18:43.52)
Now.

Kelli (18:45.816)
she said it when she went back when Kathy got there? Okay.

Wendy (18:48.311)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (18:49.269)
I was thinking she said it when she went, when she first got there. Yeah. You know what I mean? Okay.

Wendy (18:52.818)
No, she said it when she went back.

Kelli (18:53.163)
No, because that would have been totally normal. That would have been totally, yeah.

Wendy (19:04.568)
Dorit is saying to Baz, the lack of empathy and support or sheer kindness. Like, alls I said was, don't be a, and this is what Dorit is saying. Don't be a bitch, a vile human, don't be a douche. I was like, whoa.

Kelli (19:21.497)
But here's the thing, Dorit failed to mention to Bose that she made a snide comment about Sutton drinking and that there's a history of her doing that to Sutton. She left out a big piece of the story. So that's manipulative.

Wendy (19:34.786)
Right.

Wendy (19:38.196)
Absolutely, absolutely. I totally agree. I totally agree. So then Sutton finally says, you know, I've ruined this. want to leave. And so she leaves. And then Garcelle and Kyle, go inside and the ladies want food. And did you hear Cathy say, I brought my bathing suit. Like I thought maybe we were going to go swimming. What?

Kelli (19:59.117)
And did you hear what she said? That what her husband, what her husband, what the heck, what he said to her?

Wendy (20:05.098)
No, I don't remember what he said. What did he say?

We Wine Whenever (20:07.272)
What do you say? said something about-

Kelli (20:08.373)
He said something like, it's like insinuating that it was too revealing. Maybe I thought.

Wendy (20:14.779)
I know she says

We Wine Whenever (20:15.228)
Yeah, something like you shouldn't have a bathing suit on, like something really funny. Yeah.

Kelli (20:18.489)
Something it was like, I'll have to look it up. But I was like, oh, and actually whatever he said, it wasn't mean, it wasn't nasty, nothing like that. I thought, oh, I like that he, you know, he's still like, that's still an issue for him. Like maybe he doesn't want people looking at his wife in a bathing suit. You know what I mean? That's how I took it. And I thought that was sweet.

Wendy (20:38.806)
No, that's sweet. I just was so surprised. First of all, I've never ever seen a Beverly Hills pool party where they actually go swimming. Have you? I mean, it's not like it's Potomac.

Kelli (20:50.807)
No, me neither. No. But that slide looked fun, didn't it?

We Wine Whenever (20:52.52)
Well, I guess because there were kids there, you know. It did. I think it was because there were kids. Yeah.

Wendy (20:57.134)
Yeah, it's not like it's Potomac or Atlanta or even OC where like they always have their butt cheeks hanging out. You know what I'm saying? The Beverly Hills girls, they don't roll that way. They're not doing that.

Kelli (21:05.59)
Right. No.

We Wine Whenever (21:12.498)
How about Sutton's big litany? Was she left? Sorry, your businesses have failed and you can't have a clean divorce like I did. Girl, you had a clean divorce because your husband had enough dough to just say bye-bye. That's why your divorce was clean. So.

Kelli (21:32.579)
Well, that's going to be an issue next week because that's who she's talking to is Dorit when she says I think my wallet's bigger than hers. Which is a fucked up thing to say.

Wendy (21:38.894)
no, that's a horrible thing to say.

We Wine Whenever (21:40.302)
It is the fucked up thing.

Kelli (21:42.947)
Like, but at this point, because I was pissed off at Dorit for making the snide comment about the drinking, I'm like, I don't even know whose side I'm on anymore. I don't think I'm on either one of their sides. I think they're both acting like assholes. Right?

We Wine Whenever (21:53.19)
Yeah, both of them. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (21:55.542)
Yeah, yeah.

So then, Garcelle, so Dorit's saying that Garcelle has always been Sutton's mouthpiece because everyone is saying that Bose is Dorit's mouthpiece. So then Garcelle says to Bose, well, you said that Kyle was not easy to get to know. Like this is where she wants to throw this in. that, right, that's totally just stirring the pot, stirring the pot. And.

We Wine Whenever (22:20.936)
It had nothing to do with it.

We Wine Whenever (22:25.829)
Absolutely. Absolutely.

Wendy (22:28.672)
And then Bo says, yeah, but it's not like I said she's a cold-hearted bitch, but you did say actually she was cold. I mean, you didn't say hearted bitch, but you did say she was cold and it's not easy to get to know. Right. Right.

Kelli (22:34.467)
She did!

Kelli (22:38.414)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (22:39.174)
And you sent it to her sister, which was not brilliant. Yeah, I don't. And I'm a big Bose fan, that last episode that was like, was like, girl, what are you doing?

Kelli (22:41.849)
Yeah.

Wendy (22:47.575)
I didn't like it.

Wendy (22:51.948)
I think Kyle handled it great because she said, listen, I thought we were getting along fine. You know, I think you're being too hard on me. And then Dorit jumps in and says, I don't know what's going on with you right now, referring to Kyle. And I'm like, well, why are you getting involved in this? She's having

Kelli (23:06.201)
Yeah, like Doritia just not, she should have left it, let Kyle talk to Bose. Like, I don't know why she kept like inserting herself. It's getting annoying.

Wendy (23:17.228)
It is.

We Wine Whenever (23:17.382)
Well, you know, she's had, I think she's had a lot of attention from Bose and I think a little bit it's going to her head a bit.

Kelli (23:25.913)
She doesn't want to share that,

We Wine Whenever (23:27.598)
No, I like how Cathy Hilton said, well, I don't think any of us are mean girls, but maybe I'm just used to it.

Wendy (23:33.006)
I do.

Kelli (23:35.235)
you

Wendy (23:35.774)
Meanwhile, Erica's sitting there eating her hot dog the whole time. And in her confessionals, she's like, I don't know how long we can keep going like this, but she's happy with her hot dog.

Kelli (23:48.267)
Erica and that hot dog, when she walked up and said to the guy, I'm stealing your hot dog and you could be mad at me later.

Wendy (23:53.866)
That was so funny. That was so... Yes. I could definitely see Laurie doing that. And he just gave it to her. He's like, all right, okay, okay. I still get my own.

We Wine Whenever (23:55.079)
Great.

Kelli (23:56.181)
It was kind of a lorry move. It was definitely a lorry move.

We Wine Whenever (23:57.992)
Absolutely.

Absolutely.

Kelli (24:04.43)
Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Right.

Wendy (24:13.518)
Then Kyle says to Dorit, like, why do you have to back up everything that she says? Kyle says, I thought we were good because they had just squashed everything. And I'm having a conversation with Bose and you're jumping in the conversation. And she's absolutely right. Like, why did she have to jump into that?

Kelli (24:34.327)
I liked when Kyle was imitating her. She's like, everything I say, you're like, mm, mm, mm, mm, and like moving her face around.

Wendy (24:41.87)
you

Kelli (24:45.464)
you

We Wine Whenever (24:45.596)
But she did kind of turn it around. So I guess that on some level she really does want some kind of relationship with Dorit because she could have just been like, you know what, fuck this. But she did turn it around and be like, all right. Like, right.

Kelli (24:59.543)
Yeah.

Wendy (25:03.246)
Yeah, they hug each other. They hug each other and they say that they love each other.

Kelli (25:06.391)
It was so nice to see them go upstairs and have that moment alone and then act like they would normally act with each other because it's so crazy. They're literally both going through the same thing. And like Kyle said, Mo and PK are out living their best lives. Why can't we? But it's very clear to me, it's very clear to me that Kyle does not want to get divorced from Mo. It's very clear to me.

Wendy (25:09.056)
Yes. Yes.

We Wine Whenever (25:14.237)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (25:24.621)
Right?

We Wine Whenever (25:24.69)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Wendy (25:32.846)
I they're in a totally different situation. Because even when Kyle goes upstairs in Dorit's house and she looks around and she sees what a mess it is and there's clothes and boxes, she's like, Dorit's got OCD. She doesn't live like this. As soon as she saw the condition of her house, she's like, no, this makes sense to me. Now I know why she's acting this way.

We Wine Whenever (25:33.778)
Yeah.

Kelli (25:47.256)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (25:54.544)
Now do you think that she's packing up because they're in for pre foreclosure?

Kelli (25:58.614)
I thought that.

Wendy (25:59.746)
I mean, it could very well be. think that, you know, because then Kyle was talking about like Moe's closet and how she took half the closet. You know, maybe she just doesn't want to look at his stuff all the time, you know? And she's trying to figure out like, okay, well, we can't afford this house. So I'm going to have to downsize and let me figure out what it is can take, you know?

We Wine Whenever (26:01.447)
Yeah.

Kelli (26:01.56)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (26:05.735)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (26:10.775)
Right, right.

We Wine Whenever (26:18.598)
Yeah.

Kelli (26:18.818)
No.

Wendy (26:21.934)
But then Kyle does say that as far as the separation goes, she really thought that it was gonna be six months. And she just thought that they were gonna take a break and then he was gonna come back and they were gonna sit down and talk. But once he moved out and got the apartment and bought the furniture and didn't stage it, and she sees that he's just living his best life, now it's really hitting her that that's not what's happening.

I mean, even the fact that he just broke his clavicle on Valentine's Day and had surgery, he had actually two surgeries, I think. She hasn't even seen him because she's still in LA and she's been by Teddy's side this whole time. when they were married, there's no way, like when they were in a good place because they are still married, she would have been on a plane. She would have been, you know?

Kelli (27:01.591)
Right.

Kelli (27:13.433)
for sure.

For sure. Yeah, I felt bad for her. Like I really think, and Lori and I had talked about it the one week you weren't on with us, Wendy, like that. I think that Mo was just a big fat cheater. And I think it just got to the point where she was like, I can't do it anymore. Cause everybody probably in their circle knew, just like I think everybody in their circle knew that PK had a drinking problem. And I think she was like, you know.

We Wine Whenever (27:35.432)
you

Kelli (27:42.867)
not giving him an ultimatum, but basically saying like, we need to just take some space because I can't deal with this anymore. And it doesn't sound like he changed. he, it doesn't.

We Wine Whenever (27:52.496)
No, I think she was hoping that by switching it up like that, that he was gonna come to this, this like revelation of, shit, I better like get it together. Yeah, I better get it together, because she's like, you know, she's really at her end, but no.

Wendy (27:53.102)
Yeah

Kelli (28:01.835)
not wanting to be without her.

Wendy (28:03.661)
Right.

Wendy (28:11.404)
I mean, even Dorit said that she feels like PK is 50 steps ahead of her and she wants to catch up. And I think that she is on a rapid catch up because I think she finally realizes that we are not staying together and I'm not gonna let him bulldoze me. I am gonna fight for what is mine. And you know, this is not gonna be easy. I'm not gonna lay down and I'm good for her. Good for her.

Kelli (28:34.283)
Yeah, I totally agree. I know this is going to sound awful, but Dorit's going to bounce back. mean, she's stunning. And she's younger than him. Like she's going to meet somebody. Good. I hope she does. And I hope he's a billionaire.

We Wine Whenever (28:44.69)
Yes, you can say she's not a beautiful woman.

Wendy (28:47.702)
I think she has a boyfriend, doesn't she? I think she does. I think he's a young guy. think that, yeah, I think she's been seen out and about. Yeah.

Kelli (28:55.745)
I mean, she's just stunning.

We Wine Whenever (28:57.628)
Yeah. Now in the after show, she did say that if P.K. came back right now and said, you know, I'm sorry, let me, you know, let's continue on. And she said she wouldn't want it. Yeah, she said she wouldn't want it. only way, yeah, the only way she said she would want it is, you know, it would take lots of work. Like there would have to be lots of therapy involved. There would have to be, you know, she said at this point it could, couldn't be.

Kelli (29:12.139)
Really? I'm gonna start watching this after show.

Wendy (29:15.895)
You do.

We Wine Whenever (29:27.502)
I'm sorry, I just want to come home. Let's, you know, just continue on. She said no, which is I think is good.

Kelli (29:30.254)
Right.

Kelli (29:35.095)
Okay, I think it's very good.

Wendy (29:38.028)
I do too and I don't know if you guys have seen all these rumors out there about Jennifer Tilly how the cast doesn't like her and nobody wants her. It's all BS. I didn't either and it was annoying me but Kyle was on an Amazon live and they asked her and she said no we all love Jennifer you know we

Kelli (29:44.033)
Yeah. Yeah, I didn't pay that any mind.

Kelli (29:55.565)
What's not to love? What about Jennifer Tilly is going to annoy you? She's funny, she doesn't try to steal any scenes, she's not causing any drama. She's the ideal friend of on Beverly Hills.

Wendy (30:01.377)
Ex-

Wendy (30:06.637)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (30:10.374)
Right.

Wendy (30:11.212)
Yeah, she really is.

We Wine Whenever (30:13.414)
Now it was interesting because on the after show Sutton and Jennifer Tilly were both saying that they were shocked about how Dury called PK an alcoholic on the show. And Garcelle says that, know, she kind of, Garcelle kind of feels that Dury did that to make herself feel better. But I mean, so, all right, so maybe you shouldn't have said it because you're kids, but

It is what it is. mean, there's something like that. There's no hiding that. There's no, you know, and I'm sure for Doreen, like she has said before, this is something that she's probably been hiding and covering up and trying to make the best of the situation. you know, especially when you're married to an alcoholic, you know, a lot of times you hide that, all that stuff for them.

Wendy (30:45.271)
Right.

Kelli (30:46.265)
think he really, I

Wendy (30:52.43)
Right.

Kelli (31:03.831)
I said the same thing.

Kelli (31:10.777)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (31:12.678)
You know, so maybe she's just like, no, I'm not doing that anymore. And if it's me saying that on national television, then it's me saying that on national television because this is what it is.

Kelli (31:24.001)
And she didn't say anything about him drinking until after he did and he went into recovery. But if you're an alcoholic, you're an alcoholic. And I believe that PK was an alcoholic. If you're leaving your family for three weeks, four weeks, going to another country, not keeping in contact, it sounds to me like you have some kind of substance abuse issue.

that you know when you leave your family for that amount of time, you can go off on a bender. You're not checking in. Why wouldn't you check in? If you're working, why wouldn't you check in? You know?

We Wine Whenever (31:56.358)
Yeah, you'd go pinch.

Wendy (31:58.359)
Right.

Wendy (32:05.366)
No, I totally agree. guess, you know, we're going to have... I'm surprised we haven't heard anything like further about their divorce. Because, I mean, she's got to have passed the 10 year...

Kelli (32:13.9)
I know.

Kelli (32:18.946)
I was thinking about that. They must be past that now, because you think about when that was filming. So hopefully that's a good thing in her favor.

Wendy (32:24.919)
Right.

Wendy (32:29.346)
but they're separated still, right? So no, and I did also see that PK was thrown out of his apartment for not paying rent. Yeah.

Kelli (32:31.659)
Yeah, but they're not legally divorced.

Kelli (32:37.891)
Really?

I do think that they're in a bad way financially. It doesn't sound like they're in a great way financially. I mean, she's earning a salary being on the show, which is great for her.

Wendy (32:45.237)
No, it's-

Wendy (32:50.306)
But she lives very high. She lives very high. mean, all those designer things, she buys them.

Kelli (32:52.033)
you

Kelli (32:56.759)
You know what I was thinking when they went upstairs and all those racks of clothes were sitting there? I was thinking, I wonder if she's pulling like a Jenna Lyons and she's gonna do like a sale, start selling some clothes. I can't either, but when times are tough.

Wendy (33:07.533)
can't see her selling her stuff.

We Wine Whenever (33:12.36)
Yeah. And on the after show, Kyle was complaining about Dorit. Like she said, oh, I, you know, she doesn't see Dorit like, you know, crying about her husband to come back. Like, but I thought to myself, what do you want her to do? How should she act? Like your situation, Kyle, is totally different than her situation.

Kelli (33:29.655)
Yeah, I don't like that.

Wendy (33:30.744)
Thanks.

Wendy (33:35.438)
think she was complaining when she was saying that. I just think that she was kind of pointing that out. Like, they're in totally different places. Like, Dorit's okay with it. Like, she knows where she's at, whereas Kyle still doesn't really know where she's at.

We Wine Whenever (33:37.478)
I think so.

Kelli (33:49.333)
It does seem like PK and Dorie are at the point where they're like, okay, this, we're getting divorced. Like we're, working towards a divorce where yeah, Kyle and Mel aren't, aren't there.

We Wine Whenever (33:58.448)
yeah.

Wendy (33:58.914)
They still have, Kyle and Mo still have not had a conversation. Whereas, mean, PK sent a nasty email spelling out that I'm not paying for this, you're responsible for that. not, you know. I mean, they're in two totally different places. And I don't think she was criticizing Dorit. I think she was actually just saying like, at least she knows where she's at. Like she knows that this is where I'm at.

Kelli (34:02.252)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (34:02.973)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (34:11.356)
Yeah, so it's totally different.

We Wine Whenever (34:23.838)
she's more comparing it to herself. Okay, I got it now.

Wendy (34:27.095)
Yeah, yeah.

Kelli (34:28.055)
What's interesting is that PK was meeting Mo in San Tropez. Who's paying for that if he's got no money? You know? Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (34:34.406)
Yeah, right. If he's got no money, right? Yeah.

Wendy (34:36.214)
Maybe Boy George? Who knows? I mean, who else does he have as a client besides Boy George?

Kelli (34:42.189)
I don't think anybody, who knows if Boy George is even his client? Like, you know what I mean?

We Wine Whenever (34:42.747)
I don't know.

Wendy (34:46.668)
I mean, I think that there's a big, I think there's like a big tour coming out about Borgiorg or something.

We Wine Whenever (34:46.78)
Yeah, who knows?

Kelli (34:51.305)
is it? Boy George is sober though, isn't he? Yeah. Yeah. So that's good.

We Wine Whenever (34:53.97)
Yes. Yes. So on the after show, they also said that Reba lost her boyfriend. He passed. Yeah. And she actually spoke to Sutton and told her that she was lonely and sad. So at least they're starting to communicate their feelings to each other, which is awesome.

Wendy (34:54.87)
I think so, yeah. I think so. Yeah.

Wendy (35:05.505)
Yes.

Kelli (35:06.001)
that's sad.

Wendy (35:12.514)
Yes.

Kelli (35:14.508)
Yeah. I'm assuming Sutton's brother lives close to Reba, like he's in the area. It seemed like it, but you know.

We Wine Whenever (35:23.334)
I believe so. I believe so. think he's in Georgia. And then they asked Jennifer Tilley if she wanted to be a mom. And she says she didn't. And she thinks, yeah, she thinks that she wouldn't have been a good mom because she didn't have a great childhood and she just didn't think it would be something that she would be good at. So she didn't do it. So.

Wendy (35:32.762)
yeah. She never wanted to be.

Kelli (35:36.121)
That's interesting.

Kelli (35:48.813)
I'm sure she is an amazing aunt. I'm sure she is. I believe that, yeah.

Wendy (35:51.096)
That's what she said. She said her sister has. Yeah. And Garcelle commended her for that. Like for knowing that, you know, that's not what she wants to do. And she doesn't think that she would be better than her mother was at it. I mean, I do too, to be quite honest with you. Like we all know it's not easy being a mother. It's not. Like it is not. Like don't let, don't let anybody tell you that it's easy. Cause if they do, they're It's not easy.

We Wine Whenever (35:51.206)
Yeah, yeah, it's amazing. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (36:10.0)
No. No. No.

Kelli (36:15.073)
No, they are totally lying. And it doesn't matter how good or bad your kids are, that's got nothing to do with it. It's just the...

We Wine Whenever (36:16.402)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (36:19.814)
And it certainly.

Wendy (36:24.203)
No.

Kelli (36:28.523)
emotional.

We Wine Whenever (36:30.406)
Yes. And it's certainly not easy to be, to be a good mom. I mean, if you're a shitty mom, then it's not hard to be a mom because you're not really into it. And it's just like, they're just whatever. But to be a good mom, if you want to be a good mom is hard because you're always very hard on yourself. You always just think what should I have done different? What can I do different? How can I, you know, just...

Kelli (36:31.823)
that comes along with it.

We Wine Whenever (36:59.952)
forget it. It's a shit show. It's just a mess. It's just a mess.

Kelli (37:02.745)
Chit Show is the perfect way to describe it. But all you girls out there getting ready to start families, good luck to ya.

We Wine Whenever (37:10.305)
Yeah, good luck! Good luck to you!

Wendy (37:13.678)
Yeah, good luck.

Kelli (37:15.289)
you

We Wine Whenever (37:17.2)
And then, sorry, and then on the after show, Jennifer Tilly was talking about how, you know, they were talking about Kyle's picture table. I mean, Dorit's picture table. And Jennifer Tilly was saying when she was at Kyle's, she noticed that there were a lot of pictures of her and Mo up and around. And there was one of them like kissing. And she'd like put it in the drawer. And they were like, you really did that? And she's like, yeah, put it in a drawer.

Wendy (37:17.347)
So.

Wendy (37:25.73)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (37:27.033)
Dorit, yeah.

Kelli (37:45.88)
That's funny.

Wendy (37:45.932)
Yeah. Well, Kyle even said to, or maybe it was in her confessional, she said she finally took down the pictures of her and Mo in her bedroom and she put them in the drawer. And she said her two, I don't know, employees that work for her, she's like, they're going to open up my drawer and see them there and wonder what's going on. I'm like, probably not. They know that Mo's not living there.

We Wine Whenever (37:54.096)
In her bedroom, yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (38:06.573)
Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (38:06.94)
Right.

Wendy (38:10.872)
So I feel bad for them, mean, especially Kyle, because I really, I think she wanted it to work. And I think that...

Kelli (38:16.856)
I do too.

Wendy (38:21.25)
She would take Mo back. I think she still loves Mo. mean, especially after watching her at the shooting range with him. Like, ugh.

Kelli (38:22.754)
I do too.

We Wine Whenever (38:24.586)
I think she would take him back too.

We Wine Whenever (38:30.94)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (38:31.989)
It's kind of like, you know, other couples, you know, like your kids grow up and then it's like, are we gonna, are we gonna stay together? Like, you know, you raise your kids and it's like, do we even have anything in common? Do we even enjoy each other's company anymore? Like, you know, it's like a whole reevaluation. That's where they're stuck at.

Wendy (38:43.576)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (38:47.374)
Anymore. Yep.

Yes. Yeah.

Wendy (38:54.71)
Yeah, and even Kyle said on the after show, they asked her if she's been to Moe's apartment yet. And she said she still hasn't been there, but her valuables are there. because after the, during the fires, Porsche brought her valuables to Moe's house. So she can go there obviously at any time, but she just, I know it. doesn't want, I don't blame, I wouldn't go either. I don't think I'd want to.

Kelli (39:03.223)
She still hasn't?

We Wine Whenever (39:04.444)
I'm sorry.

We Wine Whenever (39:17.958)
I don't blame her. I wouldn't go.

Kelli (39:21.267)
Go, we probably had sex with other women in there.

Wendy (39:23.544)
Well, it's not even that, just to go in there and see how clean and easy his life is. It'd be like walking out of your home into this new sterile environment. Do you know what I mean? And knowing that that's where your partner of how many years is now living. It just would be weird.

We Wine Whenever (39:30.076)
Yeah. Yeah, no.

Kelli (39:36.217)
Yeah, yeah.

Kelli (39:41.571)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (39:43.784)
It would be weird. I wouldn't do it. It's not something I would do.

Kelli (39:44.067)
Yeah.

Wendy (39:47.232)
No, I don't think she should do it. I don't.

Kelli (39:49.315)
So when it said one week later, well, so I do agree with Kyle. I think if PK was with somebody else, they would have known about it. And then they say one week later, and did you hear who they play announcing Mo was kissing that girl at the airport? It was up and at him. I'm like, can we get this guy off of the Housewives shows? And by the way, I commented on one of his posts,

I can't believe he was this naive. Up and Adam did a YouTube thing about the Jersey, know, Rachel Food and not coming back because John Food, and I commented, I'm like, come on, Adam, you cannot be this naive. Like, obviously, Teresa's can't put this out. And then he did a retraction video about it. But anyway, he was the one, it always comes back to Jersey, sorry.

Wendy (40:41.59)
It's like, stop.

We Wine Whenever (40:41.832)
always comes back to trees.

Wendy (40:46.401)
It does.

Kelli (40:46.549)
He was the one who was reporting when they were showing Maurizio kissing that woman in the air.

We Wine Whenever (40:53.384)
Which can't be fun to say for Kyle. It's gotta be so bad. That's so bad. Yeah.

Kelli (40:56.697)
That's going to be terrible next week when you see her reaction.

Wendy (41:02.422)
I feel bad. So about the whole New Jersey thing, the OK magazine that just came out, that whole article. So Bravo debunked it.

Kelli (41:10.783)
they did. I knew as soon as I read the John Fudd apart I'm like all right well Teresa and Louie put this out.

Wendy (41:12.439)
Right.

So Dolores was on two tees and a paw with Tamara because Teddy's in the hospital still. I don't know if you didn't hear it.

Kelli (41:24.619)
I saw, I just saw it today. was like, I gotta listen to that. I'll listen to it tomorrow.

Wendy (41:28.022)
So Tamara was really breaking down crying. was really, she's very, and I get it about Teddy. mean, Teddy, they're very close. She was saying that they have a schedule between her and Kyle and all of Teddy's friends that someone's there with her all the time because they don't want her to be alone. And they will not give an update. It's not for them. It's not their story to tell. They're waiting for Teddy to do it. So anything you see out there. But Dolores was saying that,

Kelli (41:32.267)
About Teddy, sure. Sure.

Kelli (41:45.785)
Nice.

Kelli (41:52.995)
Yeah.

Wendy (41:57.728)
It's not true what came out. Nobody has received anything. It's a really good podcast. Dolores is really good with Tamar. And you know, I'm not a huge Tamar fan. And they're filming right now. Tamar's filming. And she did, I told you she did the one with Alex Baskin and she had to be on set like 30 or in her house. They were coming to her house to film in 30 minutes when she was doing the one with Alex, because he's got a new podcast coming out.

Kelli (42:05.549)
I'll listen to it.

Right.

Wendy (42:25.742)
because he started his own company. He's not Evolution anymore. Like he was the CEO of Evolution. Now he's got his own company. And now he's doing other stuff in addition to like Orange County. But the dynamic between Dolores and Dolores just being really real about like everything that goes on about that, because they were recapping Potomac and about Karen Huger and about, you know, how she portrayed herself and said that she's not an alcoholic. Dolores is like,

Listen, I know the police world. know what you have to do. Like, I can teach, I can tell her what she's got to do because she's getting sentenced next week. Karen's being sentenced next week. Like, that's going to be a big deal.

Kelli (43:06.039)
Yeah, huge deal.

Wendy (43:08.246)
So I like it when.

Kelli (43:09.751)
You know, I just saw today that they are filming and I read that slade through a glass of a drink at Tamra. I hope it's true.

Wendy (43:16.142)
Yes. Yes, I saw that too. Yeah, it happened last night it said. I believe it because Tamar and Tamar also said that she's not been drinking. She hasn't drank in a year. And Delora said, why? And she said, well, because I'm really working on past traumas and therapy and she admitted it.

Kelli (43:23.073)
Yep. She's the reason Gretchen's off the show.

Kelli (43:31.651)
She shouldn't.

Kelli (43:41.453)
her spectrum diagnosis.

Wendy (43:43.15)
Well, she didn't say that, but she admitted that drinking doesn't bring out the best in her and she doesn't like the way she acts. And I was glad to hear that she is at least admitting it.

We Wine Whenever (43:43.73)
Alright.

Kelli (43:50.125)
Yeah, good call.

We Wine Whenever (43:55.1)
Well, that's always the first step, to change whatever you gotta change.

Kelli (43:57.069)
Yeah, a lot, know, this sober thing, it's like taken over, like, and it's great. Like people like that, like just, you know, making that choice. Like, I'm not, I don't have alcohol abuse problem. Like I got to drink every day, but I just don't, I just don't respond well to alcohol. So I'm not going to drink anymore. I mean, I think it's a really, it's not, it's good that people are doing this.

Wendy (44:25.58)
Yeah, and those were pretty much her exact words. She's like, I'm not saying I'm an alcoholic and I'm not even saying I'm sober. What I'm saying is that I'm just not drinking. I'm just not drinking. And you know, the funny thing is Dolores was saying, which I did not know this, Dolores has never been drunk in her whole life.

Kelli (44:29.183)
No, she's not.

Right.

Kelli (44:40.67)
I could see that, because I could see her never, ever wanting to lose control.

Wendy (44:45.036)
Well, she said she didn't kind of, I guess she kind of grew up in it, not where it wouldn't, cause that's something you would have done at least when you were younger. And I don't know. mean, her father was a cop. I don't know if maybe, I don't know, but she said that she has never been drunk. And you know, then they were talking about the whole, like the cannabis thing about Stacey opening the cannabis company cause Frank has it. And

We Wine Whenever (44:53.224)
Mm-hmm.

Wendy (45:10.848)
Obviously Tamar has it and she's like, yeah, we talked about that. you know, Frank talked to Tamar about it and they've talked to Eddie about it. So it's like something that, you know, they all talk to each other about. And I did like that they were saying, and I totally agree with this, you know, like everyone can have a podcast, there's enough to go around. Everyone can have a cannabis company. There's enough to go around. It's not like you have to be stabbing people in the back.

Kelli (45:33.397)
No, I mean, I think it's great if Stacey wants to do that great. Just don't call it happy Stacey because that'd be a little fucked up.

Wendy (45:38.718)
No, don't call it happy Stacy and just be upfront about it, you know?

Kelli (45:42.817)
Right, Yeah, and the sober thing, like everything's habitual. So if you stop drinking, you start to not even think about it anymore.

Wendy (45:55.254)
Right. I mean, she said her, like Eddie maybe drinks once a year. She said there's no alcohol in her house. no. They're very much into health and fitness. And you know that about her. Like that's what they're into. So she's like, you know, we're boring. We go to bed at eight o'clock. You know, it's not like, you know.

Kelli (46:01.783)
He was never, mean Eddie was never really like a big drinker, yeah.

Yeah, that was obvious. Yeah.

Kelli (46:16.567)
I would love that.

We Wine Whenever (46:17.586)
Ellie's like, yeah, that'd be great. I'm gonna bed at eight o'clock.

Wendy (46:19.416)
Yeah.

Kelli (46:19.449)
I can't go to bed before 11 30 12 o'clock like I physically can't and then I'm up at 6 It's so annoying. I'm not getting enough sleep Which is why I'm always yawning on the podcast

Wendy (46:29.92)
Yeah, you're gonna have to... Yes, you are. Okay, one other thing I learned this week. So the sprinkle cookies. Melissa found her co-packer from Lisa Barlow.

We Wine Whenever (46:32.484)
Hehehehehe

Kelli (46:34.604)
Ha ha ha ha.

Kelli (46:45.907)
Really?

Wendy (46:47.018)
Yes. So which podcast was she on? I heard her talking about it on her podcast. It wasn't hers. Maybe it was Jeff Lewis. Maybe I did listen to that one too. Maybe it was Jeff Lewis's. anyway, she was saying that, yeah, was, it it was, she does this all the time. I yelled at her too. She was on Jeff Lewis's podcast and she had brought them sprinkle cookies. I'm sure it was before she went to Wyoming. She was out there in LA.

Kelli (46:54.457)
I was going say, a new one just dropped.

We Wine Whenever (47:02.908)
there's Kelly on it.

Kelli (47:05.987)
Sorry, I'm sorry.

Wendy (47:14.732)
and they were raving about them. Jeff's like, well, why don't you do this sooner? He goes, they really are good. They're really very good. And she's like, well, she had been working. She'd been trying to get the right product out there. She actually had a deal with ShopRite, and she wasn't happy with it, because ShopRite would have been perfect.

Kelli (47:33.667)
She does a lot for ShopRite and so does Rachel. Like they promote them. wow, she wasn't happy with it. Come on ShopRite, step up your game. It's Melissa Gorka.

Wendy (47:36.16)
Yeah, yeah. She wasn't happy. She wasn't happy. She wasn't happy with the product. So she was out talking to Lisa Barlow and Lisa's like, don't she's like, no, I'm I've been working on it. I can't find the right, you know, the right co packer. And Lisa's like, I know this perfect guy. Lisa introduced her to this guy. She went out and she met with him. They did the, you know, the recipe that she wanted or what she was looking for. And she loved it. So she credit Lisa Barlow.

We Wine Whenever (47:41.133)
Yeah, come on!

Wendy (48:06.164)
And whoever, I think it was Jeff, said she knows everybody. Like she knows, she has all these connections to make things happen. I was like, that is so good to know. Which again is why she will never not be on Salt Lake because she's Lisa Varlo. You know, like Jenna F and Lyons, she's Lisa F and Barlo. She really is. Even though I don't like her, she is Lisa F and Barlo.

Kelli (48:12.312)
Yeah.

Kelli (48:19.233)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She doesn't go anywhere.

Yeah, she's not going anywhere.

We Wine Whenever (48:29.873)
Yeah.

Kelli (48:29.965)
You know, it's funny, I was thinking about this when I was watching Beverly Hills last night, because you know, I always say the same thing. like this, that Housewives is an ensemble cast. One is no more greater in importance than the other. But as I was watching Beverly Hills, I was like, I don't know if I'd watch without Kyle. Like I do feel like Kyle is a staple in the franchise. I hate it when people say that about Teresa, because I don't personally agree with that with Jersey. I could totally see Jersey without Teresa.

Wendy (48:48.11)
Hmm.

Kelli (48:59.405)
but not Beverly Hills without Kyle. But at least now I understand why people do say it about Teresa, you know what I mean, the people who like Teresa.

We Wine Whenever (49:02.905)
I wouldn't have a problem with their gun.

We Wine Whenever (49:09.606)
Yeah, I wouldn't have a problem with Kyle not being on. Yeah.

Kelli (49:12.247)
without Kyle.

Wendy (49:13.378)
Now, I think Kyle needs to be there.

Kelli (49:15.993)
I do too, I know, I was too, as I was thinking it, I'm like, oh, this is different. Because I don't think it about anybody else, like any other franchise. really don't, I don't think, I don't think, you know, like OC was fine without Vicky, Atlanta survived without Nene. I don't know.

Wendy (49:17.676)
I'm surprised you're saying it.

Wendy (49:40.44)
So the announcement that you made last week about The Real Housewives of Toronto. So I did a little digging. So apparently there was or there is a Real Housewives of Toronto already, but it's not a Bravo show. So now it would be coming to Bravo. And I looked at the old one. it didn't look good. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm curious to see.

We Wine Whenever (50:04.444)
Really?

Kelli (50:04.6)
Really?

Wendy (50:09.362)
what it's gonna be if it's a Bravo show. I don't generally like the ones and also there was another one I saw, A Real Housewives of Sydney. Also not a Bravo show and also did not like it. I did not like it. Yeah. So we'll have to see. Yeah. I mean, I'm here for a lot of housewives. I really am. Like I feel like we should have one in every city, but.

Kelli (50:26.251)
Interesting.

We Wine Whenever (50:27.878)
All right, we shall see. We shall see.

Kelli (50:36.385)
Yeah, I think it's getting a little played out though. think they gotta start, Bravo's gotta start focusing on something else.

Wendy (50:41.752)
Well, I'd love them to bring back the ultimate girls trip. I wish they would just do that.

Kelli (50:45.293)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (50:45.576)
That was fun. I enjoyed that. And you know, this is not my whole game, this whole house thing, but that the girl strip thing, I liked that. I thought that was a lot of fun. So that was cute.

Wendy (50:49.665)
I know, I know.

Kelli (50:50.539)
Yeah.

Wendy (50:55.734)
I would love them to do it with Below Deck. I want them to do a Bravo's Girl trip on Below Deck and mix it up. Mix up the cast. Mix up Summer House with Southern Hospitality, with Southern Charm, with Real Housewives.

Kelli (50:55.747)
Yeah.

Kelli (51:05.228)
Right.

Kelli (51:11.865)
Well, think they, think Southern Torm and Southern Hospitality mix it up together a lot. Yeah.

Wendy (51:16.118)
Yeah, no, those two do because they're both in South Carolina, but like, you know, I think we should mix it all up.

We Wine Whenever (51:22.64)
I think it would be fun to do a girls trip and mix up some of the different housewives.

Wendy (51:27.266)
Well, that's what the girls' trips were. Yeah, that's what they were.

Kelli (51:28.259)
That's what it was. you know what? You watched the one with New York. You watched the one where it was all New York housewives. Yeah, but prior to that, that's what Ultimate Girl's Trip was. They would take like two housewives from each franchise and put them together. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (51:29.574)
Yeah.

Wendy (51:35.532)
The legacy, it was a legacy.

We Wine Whenever (51:36.602)
Yes, yes, yes. they did that. they mixed them up. Okay.

We Wine Whenever (51:46.094)
okay, cool.

Wendy (51:47.414)
Yeah, the first one actually had Melissa and Teresa on it. The very first Ultimate Girls trip. had Melissa and Teresa.

Kelli (51:53.687)
And they were calling it the OGs and Teresa was like, I don't know why they're calling Melissa an OG. She was, she didn't start it.

We Wine Whenever (51:59.823)
I say.

Wendy (52:01.238)
Yeah, that yeah, but they got along on that. They got along on that trip.

Kelli (52:07.427)
They got along, but Teresa brought up the fact that she came on the show behind her back because this was after she started dating Louis and Louis got in her ear.

Wendy (52:16.152)
She is never going to let that go. You know that.

Kelli (52:18.659)
But she had let it go and then Louie came in and just, he got in her ear, man. I blame everything on him.

We Wine Whenever (52:19.301)
No.

Wendy (52:26.454)
I'm still watching her on House of Villains. haven't finished the House of Villains. just, I know. just, listen, she's still on it to be quite honest with you. I feel like there's a lot, her and New York are not getting along. Well, she's doing okay. She's holding her own and Larsa's still there too. Larsa Pippen.

Kelli (52:29.818)
my gosh.

Kelli (52:34.602)
How many people are left?

Kelli (52:40.866)
New York or IHRA.

Wendy (52:49.624)
I don't know.

I don't have anything else. You guys have anything else?

We Wine Whenever (52:55.09)
Nope.

Wendy (52:57.326)
Okay, until next time. by the way, we got another review today on Apple Podcast, a five-star review. Yeah, so if you guys could keep giving us reviews on Apple Podcast or, yes, anyone, any place that you listen to our podcast, if you could give us five-star reviews, that will really help us. Tell your friends to subscribe so we can help grow this podcast. I think that's what they said.

Kelli (53:05.922)
Nice.

We Wine Whenever (53:09.416)
That's awesome. Thank you so much for whoever just did that review. I'm have to look at it.

Kelli (53:10.711)
Yeah, that is. Thank you.

Wendy (53:24.312)
Like, I hope you guys help, I hope you guys grow this. And I was like, yes, that's what we want. Yeah, so thank you for listening. Until next time, bye.

Kelli (53:27.417)
Aww, that's so nice. Very nice.

We Wine Whenever (53:28.805)
Nice.

Kelli (53:33.465)
Bye.

We Wine Whenever (53:34.45)
Bye.