RHOBH: Family Tensions and Healing Conversations

 RHOBH: Family Tensions and Healing Conversations 

RHOBH Season 15, Episode 11

Sutton’s Emotional Family Visit

• Sutton, Kyle, and Garcelle continue their trip to Augusta.
• Sutton opens up about her father’s struggle with depression and suicide in 2002.
• She revisits her childhood home, the last place she saw her father alive.
• Her mother, Reba, refuses to talk about the past or visit the house.
• Sutton feels unresolved resentment but hopes to mend things with her mother.

Reba’s Tough Love Approach

• Reba, Sutton’s 82-year-old therapist mother, is blunt and unemotional.
• When Garcelle encourages her to express love and pride for Sutton, Reba responds, “That’s none of your business.”
• Sutton confronts her mother about never telling her she’s proud.
• Reba argues that saying “I love you” is trite and overused.
• She justifies her coldness by citing her own upbringing in the post-WWII era.

Kyle & Family Updates

• Kyle FaceTimes her sister Kathy and reminds her not to put the phone to her ear.
• She shares that Portia and Mauricio are heading to Europe.

Erika & Dorit’s Relationship Talks

• Erika FaceTimes Dorit, discussing her excitement about her current life phase.
• Dorit updates Erika about her conversation with PK, which went better than expected.
• Bozma talks to her daughter about possibly having a child with Keely before they even say “I love you” to each other.

Sutton’s Business & Mother’s Skepticism

• Sutton presents her sustainable fashion line to her mother.
• Reba compares it to ground beef, making light of Sutton’s hard work.
• Sutton explains the importance of reducing landfill waste, but Reba remains dismissive.
• Reba eventually agrees to visit Sutton in California, showing a small step toward reconciliation.

A Bittersweet Ending

• Despite their differences, Sutton and Reba share a meal together.
• Reba compliments the salad, and Sutton leaves feeling hopeful.
• Sutton expresses a desire to be a better daughter and a friend.
• The episode closes with an air of tentative resolution between mother and daughter.

Transcript

We Wine Whenever (00:00.684)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:03.202)
I'm Kelly.

We Wine Whenever (00:04.099)
And I'm Lori.

We Wine Whenever (00:05.698)
We are talking about Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, season 15, episode number 11, Mind Your Business. That's it.

We Wine Whenever (00:13.802)
Mind your business.

Kelli (00:16.547)
That's what the that's what it was called.

We Wine Whenever (00:18.637)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (00:19.312)
Mind your business.

We Wine Whenever (00:21.42)
So before we get started on this, just wanted to mention that I'm sure you saw that Teddy Mellencamp had surgery this week. They found several brain tumors after she was suffering from headaches for several weeks. And she's on the mend. And then they're going to be doing radiation, I think she said, in chemotherapy. So she's in our thoughts and prayers.

Kelli (00:32.835)
Yeah.

Kelli (00:44.643)
Yeah, it's scary for her because she had the skin cancer, so.

We Wine Whenever (00:44.74)
Most definitely.

We Wine Whenever (00:47.662)
and she's had and she's been getting all these scans and all these checks. It is scary but it was very nice to see that she was surrounded by her husband was there, her kids were there. I'm sure you saw the video with Kyle and Morgan and a couple other friends. She shaped her friend shaped her head which I thought how good for you though. I bet you that's empowering. I mean as scary as it is I bet you it's empowering.

Kelli (00:51.789)
Yeah, yeah.

Kelli (01:02.968)
Yeah.

Kelli (01:14.829)
It is scary because your hair can grow in completely different than it was before.

We Wine Whenever (01:19.216)
completely different.

We Wine Whenever (01:20.512)
Yeah, yeah. But she's in our thoughts and prayers.

We Wine Whenever (01:23.15)
I yeah, I also saw a post, I don't know if it's real, it was from the reality report, Real Housewives of Rhode Island, it's rumored test filming and Real Housewives of Seattle, rumored test filming, yeah. So, who knows about that?

Kelli (01:25.327)
for sure.

Kelli (01:36.298)
yeah, I saw this.

Kelli (01:42.605)
I saw this. Yeah.

Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (01:47.222)
All right. We'll have to wait and see what happens. We'll have to wait and see. So we'll start with this one. We pick up with Sutton, Kyle, and Garcelle are all in Augusta, Georgia. Kyle came back from running and she got lost because I guess the directions Sutton gave her were from the opposite starting point or something. But she's talking to Sutton's mom, Reba, and

We Wine Whenever (01:49.328)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (02:14.159)
Avi comes in and says, we're going to need you to get dressed for brunch. And he was like, I am dressed. And he's like, it's a proper. Yeah. He's. Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (02:21.442)
He said, don't want to fluff? That's what he said. Fluff.

Kelli (02:23.459)
He tells her to fluff up. Avi has zero tolerance for Reba. Zero.

We Wine Whenever (02:29.345)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (02:29.754)
Yeah, zero, zero, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (02:32.59)
So after Kyle's talking to Reba, she goes up and she starts talking to Sutton and she tells her that, you know, she thinks Reba's a really strong woman. And she tells Sutton that Reba admitted to her that she's not a nurturer. And Sutton's like, she said that? Like she was surprised to, you know, realize that she knew that she wasn't a nurturer.

We Wine Whenever (02:54.436)
Yeah, well, that's kind of an understatement.

Kelli (02:56.943)
Yeah, but it's interesting that she said it to Kyle, but was so offended when Garcelle brought something to her attention.

We Wine Whenever (02:59.781)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (03:05.836)
Well, Garcelle was telling her what she needed to do. There's a difference.

Kelli (03:09.263)
Hmm.

We Wine Whenever (03:09.54)
Yeah, that's that we'll get to that, but that's definitely the problem right there. You hit it on the head, Wendy.

We Wine Whenever (03:14.476)
Yeah. So then.

We Wine Whenever (03:17.476)
And I don't think, sorry, I don't think Reba fluffs. I don't think she's a fluffer.

We Wine Whenever (03:20.95)
No, Reva does not fluff.

Kelli (03:22.713)
She is not a fluffer.

We Wine Whenever (03:24.192)
And I will tell you, one of our listeners, I'm sure you, I don't know if you saw, but she's commented on the episode you guys did last week and you were talking about, know, Garcelle and Reba. And her take on it is that, you know, she's a strong Southern mama and they don't mince words. They say what they mean and they mean what they say. So, you know, when she got that scarf, it was like, okay, you know.

She's not a scarf wearing person. It's that simple. Like that's just not who she is and she's not gonna pretend to like something if she doesn't like it. That's just who she is.

Kelli (04:01.453)
I can see that, but I believe that New Jersey and New York mothers are the same. We don't mince words. We say it like it is, but we can also be gracious when somebody gives us a present. And not rude. She was literally rude about it.

We Wine Whenever (04:12.878)
Yeah, it's not that difficult to do.

Kelli (04:18.497)
Exactly. And aren't southern people supposed to be more polite than us northerners, us Yankees?

We Wine Whenever (04:20.963)
So.

We Wine Whenever (04:25.646)
Well, don't yes, we're not getting in a fight with the South let's move on This is not a north-south thing It's so funny, but she goes she starts talking to Sutton about her dad She's like, you know, well, when did you notice that you know, and she said well She noticed when she was about 25 or 26. She got a call that she had to come home because her father was

Kelli (04:29.687)
I'm just saying, aren't they supposed to be more polite?

We Wine Whenever (04:30.07)
I'm

Kelli (04:37.135)
You

We Wine Whenever (04:38.537)
it's too funny.

We Wine Whenever (04:54.03)
starting to like break down and they had to put him in the hospital two times. And she said they physically had to like force him in the car. Which when you hear her tell the story, you know, that he was in a very depressive state, you know, he was self-medicating, he was on sleeping pills, but there was no therapy. Like they didn't go to therapy back then. There was no talking to figure out what was going on.

Kelli (05:02.468)
Yeah.

Kelli (05:17.945)
No.

We Wine Whenever (05:23.788)
He was never really regulated. He was taking sleeping pills and alcohol. And of course, that's not gonna turn out well.

We Wine Whenever (05:32.313)
No.

Kelli (05:32.803)
No, but it is interesting that her mother is a therapist and didn't, I mean, listen, I don't wanna make it like she didn't do what she was supposed to do. I'm not saying that, because I'm sure this woman has a lot of guilt, but it's amazing to me that he married a licensed therapist, but didn't seek cognitive behavioral therapy, being that he was married to somebody who had

We Wine Whenever (05:36.564)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (05:37.456)
Yes, see.

We Wine Whenever (05:48.142)
Well, I'm.

We Wine Whenever (06:00.506)
this is a thing

Kelli (06:02.659)
who did it for a living.

We Wine Whenever (06:04.72)
Right, but this is the thing, we don't have a timeline of when her mother actually became that therapist.

We Wine Whenever (06:10.722)
Right, we don't. I was thinking the exact same thing. We don't know.

Kelli (06:11.373)
that's true. that's true.

We Wine Whenever (06:13.53)
You know, because usually women back then really stayed home with the kids. So maybe this is something she pursued later in life. And then that was my thought process on the whole thing. possibly, possibly, yes.

Kelli (06:20.761)
Sure.

Kelli (06:26.659)
Yet maybe as a result of what happened with him, she did that. Yeah, that's true. That's true.

We Wine Whenever (06:32.334)
I'll be honest with you though, because I was thinking the same thing as you were, Lorde. Like we don't know when she became a therapist, but when later in the episode, when she does have that conversation in the kitchen with her mother, her mother said, you know, you are a strong professional woman, just like me. And Sutton said, well, you gave me a hard time about it. I wanted to stay home and raise my kids. So again, we don't know what the timeline is, but we did get that.

Kelli (06:56.227)
Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (07:00.716)
that bit of information towards the end.

Kelli (07:02.745)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (07:04.175)
Well, maybe it was a situation where her mother looked back and maybe through guilt or who knows what thought that if she had changed the narrative, maybe it would have been better. Like maybe she's looking, maybe she did stay home with her children and then maybe she looked back on it and thought that maybe that's something that she shouldn't have done, that she should have, you know what I'm saying? So yeah.

We Wine Whenever (07:20.909)
Yeah.

Kelli (07:29.517)
Right, right, maybe she just, you you always want more for your kids?

We Wine Whenever (07:33.614)
Right, so yeah, who knows.

We Wine Whenever (07:33.718)
Right. Right.

Kelli (07:35.407)
and maybe she felt like she gave a lot up and she didn't want something to do the same.

We Wine Whenever (07:39.748)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (07:39.862)
Yeah, the other thing was that she, Sutton did say, which I thought was interesting, is that he always said, he would always verbally say, I want to kill myself. Yes, he would say it all the time. Yeah.

Kelli (07:48.611)
He said he- I didn't hear that!

We Wine Whenever (07:50.328)
Yeah, I heard her say that. Yeah.

Right. And it was interesting how she said, you know, in her confessional about her dad's non-treatment.

We Wine Whenever (08:04.492)
Yes, that's what you said. It was just jointed with his treatment or should I say his non-treatment. Yep.

We Wine Whenever (08:10.243)
treatment.

Kelli (08:12.493)
It's amazing because now if somebody verbalizes that, you are taken.

We Wine Whenever (08:17.25)
Yes, because of, know, we've been through this now. Like we're a little bit more educated with mental health. It's not as frowned upon. Right, yeah.

Kelli (08:26.319)
Sure.

We Wine Whenever (08:29.988)
Sweep it under the rug. Yes, sweep it under the rug, yeah.

Kelli (08:31.791)
Yeah. And rightfully so. It's just, it's so different.

We Wine Whenever (08:35.054)
Right, it is totally different. So then they go to brunch and Avi offers to make Reba a drink. He's making her a Bloody Mary. you know, like true to Reba fashion, she doesn't like the ice. Even later on in the episode, Sutton offers to get her mother a drink. And she's like, you know, I live alone. Like she's not used to someone getting her a drink. Like she's just used to doing her own thing. And I just, yeah.

Kelli (09:02.447)
But again, don't they, like, hosting in the South is like a big thing. Like, don't you know that when you're at your daughter's house and she's hosting something, she's going to offer to give you a drink? Like, to me, her saying to her, like, you know I live alone, like, okay, but you're at my home and I'm hosting and I'm going to offer to give you a drink. I don't know, maybe her mother wasn't 100 % comfortable being on camera.

We Wine Whenever (09:31.096)
no, I don't think that was it. I think that's just who her mother is. She showed us who she is. But it's not snide to her. That's what I'm trying to say to you. To her it's not snide. This is all she knows. This is all she knows.

We Wine Whenever (09:34.138)
Yeah.

Kelli (09:35.407)
Yeah, it's just like snide remarks. Like, what are doing?

We Wine Whenever (09:47.952)
Yeah, it's very cut and dry. Yeah, no, don't think I'll read.

Kelli (09:48.503)
I don't want to hang out with Reba. I feel like Reba and I would not hit it off.

We Wine Whenever (09:50.188)
Yeah. So she's 82 years old and she still works as a therapist. So like, what does that tell you? You know, she's going to just keep doing whatever it is she's going to do. Like no one is telling Reba what to do. They're not telling her to fluff up for brunch. They're not telling her to have ice in her Bloody Mary.

We Wine Whenever (09:53.092)
Now.

Kelli (10:01.582)
Yeah.

Kelli (10:05.027)
Yeah.

Kelli (10:11.583)
I was living for Avi telling her to fluff up though. Cause you really, you know he really wanted to be like, fuck off. But that was his way.

We Wine Whenever (10:14.672)
That's great.

We Wine Whenever (10:17.998)
And then Garcelle has a one-on-one conversation with Reba and she said, you know, she would love to hear from you that you are proud of her and that you love her. And that's when Reba said, I don't think that's any of your business. I don't want to insult you, but I think you have no clue. And listen, it's her relationship with her daughter.

We Wine Whenever (10:19.382)
Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (10:43.218)
And Garcelle only knows what Sutton has told her. And to be quite honest with you, the more I see of Reba, the more I see Sutton. I mean, when Sutton cut off, yeah. When Sut-

We Wine Whenever (10:51.557)
absolutely.

Kelli (10:52.943)
Well, mean, Garcell says that. They're like the same person, yeah. I don't think it was Garcell's place to say those things to Reba. I really don't.

We Wine Whenever (11:01.004)
No!

We Wine Whenever (11:01.658)
Well, like I said before, the problem, and like Wendy said before, the problem arose when she presented that conversation as it came across as Garcelle telling Reba what to do. That's not how you work. If she would have worked it and just told her how Sutton felt and there was ways to massage that.

We Wine Whenever (11:15.98)
Yes.

Kelli (11:16.302)
Right.

Kelli (11:31.055)
But listen, Reba's no dummy. Reba would see right through that.

We Wine Whenever (11:31.12)
conversation.

We Wine Whenever (11:36.176)
Yes, she would, but she also, I don't think would have gotten her hackles in such a rise if you weren't telling her what she needs to do. If you were just trying to, basically, if you would just try to make her feel bad, you would have did much better than trying to tell her what she should be doing.

We Wine Whenever (11:57.174)
Right, right. And then Garceau said, you're right, I have no clue. I haven't lived with you guys. I haven't grown up with her. I was just coming from a place of a caring friend, which is what she was doing, but it really wasn't her place to do that.

Kelli (12:03.865)
Right.

Kelli (12:07.267)
Yeah, absolutely. Right. But I did agree with Garcelle when she said that it could be that maybe Reba was jealous of the relationship between Sutton and her dad. Because you're married to someone who suffers from depression, you're not getting the best of them. So he may have been giving the best of him to Sutton and her brother.

We Wine Whenever (12:18.348)
Almost definitely.

We Wine Whenever (12:20.534)
Yeah, I agree.

We Wine Whenever (12:35.79)
and not a river.

Kelli (12:36.109)
and then the mom wasn't getting the best of him, but because she was his partner and that's who gets the brunt of your feelings. So, you know, not in a bad way she was jealous, but maybe it was like, you know, damn, like why can't I get, you know, that piece of him too?

We Wine Whenever (12:44.687)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (12:47.18)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (12:54.766)
Yeah. Garcelle did bounce back pretty quick in the conversation. Now I was like, okay. You didn't let Rebus chopping off of your ankles affect you too badly. You came back with it. You were like, okay.

Kelli (12:59.137)
Yes, she did. I thought she handled it very well.

We Wine Whenever (13:03.459)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (13:09.068)
Yeah, because then Reba said, are you a messenger? And Garcelle said, maybe I am. You know, she did. I agree. definitely, listen, Garcelle's a smart woman. She's a smart woman. So then Sutton says she wants to take the ladies to her childhood home. Now this I was shocked about. you know, Reba was like, she wants no part of this. you know, there's people living there. What do mean? You're going to go in that house? Like, what is wrong with you? I mean, I can see.

We Wine Whenever (13:14.756)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (13:18.606)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (13:18.831)
She sure is.

We Wine Whenever (13:38.818)
where she would be taken aback by this, especially since we know that's where her father killed himself, in that house.

Kelli (13:43.821)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (13:44.282)
Yeah. Right. And right before Christmas.

We Wine Whenever (13:47.776)
Yeah, exactly. December 23rd to be exact. Like, yeah, like that's a lot. That's a lot.

Kelli (13:51.758)
Yeah.

Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (13:54.628)
And I think that Sutton does, you know, she even said it, I think that she harbors some resentment in regards to her mother because...

We Wine Whenever (14:06.808)
Her mother was home when it happened and they've never had a conf- Right. Sad.

We Wine Whenever (14:08.28)
Yeah, she just

Kelli (14:08.63)
And there was a loaded gun in the house with somebody who has obviously, you know, vocalized that he wants to kill himself.

We Wine Whenever (14:16.046)
Right, so I think she does, you know, in some way blame her mother. And maybe that's part of Reba's, you know, part of the distance that's between them, is because Reba knows that. And so maybe, yeah.

Kelli (14:26.477)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (14:27.97)
Yeah, right. I mean, Sutton said it. She said, have resentment about this. And I don't blame her. But I mean, if she really thought inviting her to go on camera as a surprise, mean, no. I mean, in what world does that happen? So then we see Erica calls Dorit and their FaceTiming and the cabana's getting a

We Wine Whenever (14:42.114)
Yeah, that was not brilliant, no.

You

We Wine Whenever (14:53.72)
Facelift. by the way, I wanted to mention this when you guys were talking about the cabana and the price I Think the $36,000 was his fee only it's usually it's only a person. It's usually a percentage of what the merchandise is. So Yeah, yeah, that's his fee that's just his fee and that was probably a discounted fee to be quite honest with you Yeah, that's just his fee All right back to the caban

We Wine Whenever (14:58.746)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (15:02.541)
I do too.

We Wine Whenever (15:04.016)
you

Kelli (15:08.139)
I totally agree with you. That's his fee.

We Wine Whenever (15:15.023)
Wow.

Kelli (15:18.511)
He said, I'm gonna give you a billion dollar feel for not a bit. So he probably got 10%, so the whole thing was probably 300 grand.

We Wine Whenever (15:21.581)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (15:27.414)
Yes, yes, it's always a percentage of what the stuff is. Yeah.

Kelli (15:30.159)
which that house in that location is over a million dollars. Even though it's a tiny house, it's over a million dollars. So 300,000 to renovate isn't.

We Wine Whenever (15:34.925)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (15:40.612)
Right. Well, it's not always a percentage. Some designers just have hourly fee, plus they make a percentage. So it just, everybody works differently. So who knows? But okay. No.

Kelli (15:53.697)
Yeah. I don't think that guy works for cheap though.

We Wine Whenever (15:54.808)
Yeah.

No. I mean, he's got a book and he's, you know, yeah, no, he's, he's making bank.

We Wine Whenever (16:02.422)
When Erica was walking down her hallway, the black and white hallway, did you see her shirt matched her hallway?

We Wine Whenever (16:06.455)
huh.

Kelli (16:10.735)
I didn't notice that.

We Wine Whenever (16:10.864)
that's funny. No, didn't notice that. But it's looking good. I mean, it looks good.

Kelli (16:17.869)
It looks good and she seems like she's feeling good, which is nice to see Erica because she's a whole vibe Erica, so we want her to feel good.

We Wine Whenever (16:21.121)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (16:30.05)
We do want her to feel good. then we see Bozema's talking to her daughter, Lael, about where she's going with Keely. And she asks her about if she has another child with him, is she going to be OK with that? And her daughter thinks about it for like a half a minute and says, yeah, I'm OK with that. And then Bozema's like, why are you OK with that? And she's like, well, I'm not going to be here.

So I want you to grow and have more in your life. And if you're going to have somebody there, yeah, if you're going to have somebody else in your life, then yeah, go ahead. And I thought it was a great conversation. do still am very puzzled by the whole thing. They haven't said I love you to each other yet.

Kelli (17:06.351)
share a bond with another baby.

We Wine Whenever (17:12.848)
Yeah.

Kelli (17:22.701)
and they're together eight months. So I feel like, like, I don't know. mean, Eric and I definitely said I love you like, I'm saying like, like two months in.

We Wine Whenever (17:24.781)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (17:33.784)
Well, it's not even that, but you weren't talking about having a baby with him. That's what I'm confused with. Not that they didn't say, love you, but...

Kelli (17:36.943)
I was not. I was not. I was 24 and living, no 25 and living my best life. I was not talking about having a baby.

We Wine Whenever (17:45.303)
Amen.

I'm gonna get it, she's 48 and you know, her clock is ticking, I totally get that, but how can you have this conversation with someone that you don't, haven't said I love you to and he hasn't said it back?

Kelli (17:59.363)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (17:59.364)
Well, this was my take on it. My take on it is when you are of a certain age and get to a certain point in life, I think you kind of know when you're clicking with somebody. And I think that in some way those words can just be words. And I think that

Kelli (18:20.111)
Yeah, but you still say them. I mean, listen, I say it to Eric every day. We say it to each other every day. I don't love him every day. He annoys the F out of me. But I say it because that's what you do.

We Wine Whenever (18:26.51)
Ha ha ha ha!

We Wine Whenever (18:30.138)
Well, listen, this is me. You're a lot nicer than me because I don't even say it every like if I'm not loving you that no, then I'm no, then I'm not saying no. If you're really annoying me. No, no.

Kelli (18:37.375)
yeah, now we do.

We Wine Whenever (18:39.278)
you

Kelli (18:40.461)
Yeah, you always gotta love you. Love you. Love you.

We Wine Whenever (18:44.172)
Yeah, but the other thing is she had that like catfish situation. Like she just had a bad situation, right? Like, and now you're in this one and it does appear to be good, but we're just seeing surface stuff. Like how are you talking about having a baby?

Kelli (18:53.207)
Yeah, you're right.

We Wine Whenever (18:53.903)
Yeah.

Kelli (19:02.171)
And like, did he know she was going on the show? Like if I were on one of these shows, I would be so, and weren't married, like, and dating, I would be so skeptical to get with... Yes, yes.

We Wine Whenever (19:13.602)
Yeah, that's somebody's trying to get their airtime off you.

We Wine Whenever (19:18.912)
Like Sienna, Southern charm. That's another story. We will.

Kelli (19:23.288)
we gotta talk about that.

We Wine Whenever (19:26.682)
So maybe it's a situation where she's just like thinking to herself, you know what? I'm gonna just keep like throwing this shit at him and just see if he's gonna ski-dattle kind of a thing. So yeah, maybe that's her play. know, maybe she's like.

Kelli (19:26.947)
That was hard to watch.

We Wine Whenever (19:28.642)
Yeah.

Kelli (19:41.465)
see how he handles it.

Kelli (19:45.923)
Maybe she does think he got with her because she was going to be on the show. And she's like, let's have a baby. Like just to see what he'd say. She's like, wow, what can I say that would scare the living shit out of them? Let's have a kid.

We Wine Whenever (19:50.136)
Yeah.

Shit out of you. So yeah. Yeah, so maybe that's her game. I don't know but I

We Wine Whenever (20:00.96)
I don't know, but they are still together and we've got to be at least another 10 months out from when this was filmed, right? So I wonder if they've said it yet. Like we need an update.

Kelli (20:07.693)
Yeah, absolutely.

We Wine Whenever (20:10.606)
I did like, yeah, maybe it came out. I did like how when she was speaking to her daughter that she said to her daughter, know, use any words.

Kelli (20:12.943)
Yeah.

Kelli (20:24.324)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (20:24.652)
Yes, I like that too.

We Wine Whenever (20:25.284)
I just thought that was, I was like, look at you. Very good.

Kelli (20:28.463)
Well, because the camera's on, so she probably thought her daughter was gonna be a little reserved in how she answered, which by the way, her daughter is gorgeous. So beautiful. So she was probably like, say whatever your feelings are, we'll deal with it. So just say it, don't worry about the cameras. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (20:34.233)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (20:37.11)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (20:37.124)
Yes. Yes.

We Wine Whenever (20:45.582)
Right, whatever it is, it is. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (20:47.99)
Right. So then the ladies, they get to Sutton's childhood home and they're going to go inside. So Sutton's good friend knows the owner. So that's how they arrange this to happen. And we start walking through the house and Sutton says that's where the last place she saw her dad alive was in that room.

Kelli (21:10.607)
And that room was very interesting, wasn't it? It was a very cool room and he designed it and built it.

We Wine Whenever (21:16.28)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (21:16.41)
Yeah, this is Man Cave. I thought it was very gracious of the homeowner that they said to Sutton to welcome home. I think that was really very, very, very sweet.

Kelli (21:18.744)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (21:19.502)
Yeah.

Yes.

Kelli (21:25.014)
Absolutely.

We Wine Whenever (21:28.278)
I did too. I did too. I did too.

Kelli (21:29.131)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (21:30.96)
And I just want to put it out there that...

residing somewhere where someone has passed away is not an easy thing.

I feel like it's got to be just a tad easier on the mind fuck level when somebody that you love passes away in an accident or in the hospital. When they pass away in your home and then you have to continue living there, it's just a whole different level of fucked up-tidiness.

Kelli (22:21.847)
You mean when your own family member passes away in a home that you live in, not you buying a home that somebody else passed away in. Got it. Yeah, I can't, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (22:26.412)
And then, right, no, no, no, I'm just saying, you know, when you have to be in that place day after day after day after that happens, it's just weird and it's just difficult. It just adds a whole nother layer.

Kelli (22:46.101)
Even not living, you know, just having a family member that passed away in a home, or didn't pass away, but pretty much passed away, going back to that home. Not a home you live in, but a home you have to go back to.

We Wine Whenever (22:57.354)
Right. Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (23:01.72)
Right, like after my mother passed and I had to stay at my parents' home because it was COVID and you couldn't travel. You're like every morning I got up and went downstairs and that's where my mother passed. So it's just, I'm just saying it's just something to think about. It's just a whole nother layer for Sutton, you know, after having the whole thing, having to put her dad in a car to take him away and always talking about.

Kelli (23:09.731)
Yes.

Kelli (23:22.852)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (23:30.328)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (23:31.556)
killing himself and the depression and then doing it in the home. she, it's just a whole, it was a mass for her. It was really tough. I just give her lot of kudos for even going back to that home. And I think probably in the end, it'll be really good for her that she did it.

Kelli (23:37.401)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (23:46.072)
Well, she said, yeah, she said it was the last step on her healing journey and she wanted to say goodbye to him. Like that's what, that's was the purpose of this trip to the house. And I think, you know, I felt like after she was there, I felt like she got what she went there for, you know? And I'm glad that she did it. If this is what she needed to do to kind of say goodbye to him and, you know, move on a little bit, I, you know, I'm glad she did it. She said she was daddy's girl, you know, and she, you know.

We Wine Whenever (23:55.043)
Okay.

Kelli (24:10.509)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (24:16.696)
And you know, when she was talking about having, that's another thing I'd certainly resonated with. And when you have somebody really close to you that passes away, you know, how she talking about how she has regrets, like she should have sat down for five minutes with her dad. And that's another thing that's very hard to escape. Someone passes away, just, even though certain things don't even necessarily make sense. And you know that really,

We Wine Whenever (24:32.088)
Five minutes.

We Wine Whenever (24:46.66)
That person truly knew how you felt about them. But still, you just always have regrets. But there's, but it doesn't even make sense because even if you could have done those things that you regret not doing, you still, if they passed away, you still would have felt bad and came up with more regrets. Cause it's just how the human psyche works.

Kelli (24:55.225)
Sure.

We Wine Whenever (25:08.396)
Right.

Right.

Kelli (25:10.839)
It's true, and certainly with suicide.

We Wine Whenever (25:16.056)
Yeah, it's that whole other thing. Yes.

Kelli (25:16.687)
and like drug overdoses, like these, know, there's not much anybody else can do. But before we go on, if anybody is, you know, suffering with depression, there are two, NAMI, N-A-M-I, it's the National Alliance on Mental Illness. You can go to that website, or Cully Strong, which is very close to our hearts. You can check out that website if anybody's suffering from depression.

We Wine Whenever (25:44.334)
Yes, and I will confess, I did cry. I did cry at this episode and spoke to our neighbor. you know, I was just like, it brought up a lot of, yeah.

Kelli (25:50.991)
Of course.

We Wine Whenever (25:51.65)
Yeah.

Kelli (25:59.5)
Of course.

We Wine Whenever (26:00.598)
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.

Kelli (26:03.449)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (26:05.774)
Yeah, so Boz was saying how she wants Keeley to say, love you first. That's one of those things that made me kind of think like, maybe she's just like throwing bombs on him to see if he's gonna continue along the minefield.

We Wine Whenever (26:05.838)
you

We Wine Whenever (26:21.581)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (26:25.996)
Yeah, mean, listen, it's possible. It's very possible.

We Wine Whenever (26:29.84)
Yeah, I don't know.

Kelli (26:30.285)
It is possible, but man, like at that age, like who gives a shit if you feel like that, just say it, no?

We Wine Whenever (26:35.438)
That's how I feel. feel like life is too short, but you

Kelli (26:37.855)
Absolutely. Like I'm pretty sure Eric said it to me first, but I could have said it to, if he didn't, I would have said it to him first. you know, and I was only, I was only 20, I was 24 when we started dating. Yeah. Yeah. But you know, I remember where we were. I swear to God, we were in the kitchen at my parents' house. Yep.

We Wine Whenever (26:46.094)
have no idea who said it first.

We Wine Whenever (26:50.032)
This is a long time ago, Wendy, right? Long.

We Wine Whenever (26:51.694)
I know.

You do?

We Wine Whenever (26:59.884)
All right, well, we'll have to ask Bill because if any of he doesn't remember, he'll come up with some date and time that it happened. And I'll go with it because I have no idea. I'm like, okay, sounds good to me.

We Wine Whenever (27:00.325)
Look at that.

We Wine Whenever (27:05.443)
yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kelli (27:09.167)
Wait, I still love the fact that neither you or Bill can remember what your wedding song is.

We Wine Whenever (27:14.166)
We cannot remember our wedding song. I know. Stupid.

Kelli (27:16.207)
fucking hysterical

We Wine Whenever (27:17.769)
I

Kelli (27:20.031)
I think it's funny. At least you're both on the same page. At least like one didn't forget and the other one's like, what the heck? You know?

We Wine Whenever (27:23.918)
Yeah. So then Dorit says she spoke to PK and everyone stops like, well, wait, how did that go? And she said, well, he's just starts talking like they're friends. nothing, you know, like nothing had happened.

We Wine Whenever (27:25.422)
Right. Right. Yeah, they're equal.

Yes, no.

We Wine Whenever (27:37.008)
Mm.

Kelli (27:39.651)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (27:43.726)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (27:48.322)
Pause says it sounds like a trick.

Kelli (27:51.055)
and I wasn't even thinking it, but when she said it, I was like, it does kind of sound like a trick. Yeah. He's getting some good advice from somebody.

We Wine Whenever (27:53.996)
Yep.

We Wine Whenever (27:56.032)
It's a trick. It's a trick.

We Wine Whenever (27:57.216)
Yep. says, Erica says you need to be on your toes. You need to, you know, don't fall for these tricks.

Kelli (28:06.701)
Yeah, like he's just trying to calm her down so he can make the first move. I think Erica said that.

We Wine Whenever (28:11.298)
Absolutely. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (28:11.5)
Yeah. Yep. Yep. Then we see Kyle FaceTimes with Kathy.

Kelli (28:19.661)
Listen, you know I'm not the biggest Cathy Hilton fan, but this scene had me laughing how she was face-sliming but had the phone to her ear. Like Cathy was really showing her age in this scene and I don't know how old she is. That was great.

We Wine Whenever (28:31.054)
Carl said, don't put the phone to your ear.

Yeah, they're just so funny. really are. I know you don't like Cathy, but every time I see her, she makes me laugh because first of all, she's totally clueless. She doesn't know the difference between FaceTime, a phone call. She doesn't know a text message from social media. She just doesn't know. it's not that she's stupid. It's just that she's a different generation.

That's all. Like she is a boomer. She's literally a boomer. I mean, she's a boomer. Right. But it's so

We Wine Whenever (29:04.944)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (29:07.865)
She is a boomer. She's, yeah, she's the poster child for a boomer. Like my parents can navigate FaceTime better than Cathy Hillen.

We Wine Whenever (29:08.794)
Definitely a boar.

We Wine Whenever (29:17.772)
Well, I'll be honest with you. I mean, my husband can't because he has an Android. He's got an Android and, you know, he doesn't have social media. So I can so relate, you know.

Kelli (29:28.173)
Now he doesn't, yeah, good for him.

We Wine Whenever (29:30.606)
Neither does mine, so mine would be the same, mine would be...

Kelli (29:34.373)
your husbands aren't taking pictures of themselves shirtless on the beach, telling you to meet up with them on Valentine's Day?

We Wine Whenever (29:37.29)
No, no. I was laughing my ass off when I saw that and I showed it to Andrew today. He's like, my God, he's so funny. was like, no, you got to see what Kelly wrote. Was it a necklace?

We Wine Whenever (29:37.882)
now.

Kelli (29:46.927)
Wait, the best was I showed Tess, she goes, what the fuck is he wearing a necklace? And I zoomed in, I'm like, the fuck is he wearing? was something around his neck. I don't know, it looked like he was wearing dog tags, but he doesn't have dog tags. Yeah, I gotta ask him what that was.

We Wine Whenever (30:01.313)
that's so funny. I didn't see that. I thought that was an old picture. Was that an old picture? ran, he'd go up the beach to do that.

Kelli (30:09.007)
could have been yesterday. It could have been three years ago. We don't know.

We Wine Whenever (30:14.048)
Okay, we don't know. We just have to tell our listeners what we're talking about because they're gonna be confused. It was Valentine's Day yesterday.

We Wine Whenever (30:17.732)
Yeah, they're gonna know.

Kelli (30:19.693)
Yeah, I'm sorry, my husband's a whack job and took a picture. It was Valentine's Day, so he posted a picture on my Facebook page of him shirtless at the beach, telling me to meet him at the beach for a swim.

We Wine Whenever (30:32.352)
In February, in New Jersey, in New Jersey, yeah. Like 20 degrees. I loved it. Kyle tells Kathy that Porsche and Mo are leaving for Europe soon. So that's, you know.

We Wine Whenever (30:32.592)
in the freezing cold.

Kelli (30:33.901)
And it's cold. Yeah, it's cold.

We Wine Whenever (30:38.881)
Brilliant idea.

Kelli (30:42.921)
Ay yi yi. It was great. It was great.

We Wine Whenever (30:54.914)
Now, I was under the impression the past episode where Mo was like, I'm taking her to Italy, you know, and her friend. I thought he was taking the girls like around. No, thought he but I thought he was taking her to Europe and going around Europe with her. No, he's taking her. She's meeting up with the tour group and he's off to Switzerland and then Saint-Tropez or whatever his.

We Wine Whenever (31:07.287)
No, just Porsche.

We Wine Whenever (31:24.624)
But I was thinking to myself, what a great guy. He's going to take him and his daughter, father, you know what That's what I thought now.

We Wine Whenever (31:26.189)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (31:30.04)
father-daughter trip. Yeah.

Kelli (31:32.003)
Yeah, I agree. I thought the same thing. then it

We Wine Whenever (31:37.902)
Yeah. And did you see he broke his collarbone on Valentine's Day skiing? By mass pen.

We Wine Whenever (31:42.356)
Yes, in Aspen, yeah. He's in the hospital, yeah. Well, he was.

Kelli (31:44.495)
We did. Now think back to his social media. Do you remember months ago there was a pic, there was a video of him skiing in Aspen and there were two women like naked, tubing, snow tubing with him or something? I wonder if this was that trip.

We Wine Whenever (31:59.271)
yeah, I remember that. I remember that, yep.

We Wine Whenever (32:06.221)
What?

We Wine Whenever (32:06.294)
I... No, he just broke it now. Just yesterday.

We Wine Whenever (32:09.676)
It just happened yesterday.

Kelli (32:11.409)
no, but I'm saying, I'm sorry. Yes, yes. But I'm saying what they're talking about on the show, was this the trip that showed up on his social media with the naked women snow tubing? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (32:19.28)
okay, I see what saying.

We Wine Whenever (32:22.506)
We Wine Whenever (32:26.045)
I see. Yeah, I see what you're saying. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What you doing?

We Wine Whenever (32:27.296)
Okay, I was just about to say how many glasses of wine have you had? Like what is wrong with that?

Kelli (32:30.939)
You know what? I am feeling a little tipsy because I haven't been drinking that much so I am on my second glass of wine but it's hitting. It's hitting good. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (32:35.758)
you

We Wine Whenever (32:37.669)
good, good, good, good. We like it. We like it.

We Wine Whenever (32:41.622)
Okay, so then we see Sutton is in the kitchen with Avi and she doesn't know... What did she say? Doesn't have... she doesn't have what she needs to make, what she's making. Right, right.

We Wine Whenever (32:54.894)
Yeah, thank you, North.

Kelli (32:54.991)
Yeah, she was very specific about what she wanted. I don't know who she sent out to go shopping.

We Wine Whenever (33:01.472)
Well, she gave her mom a list and her mom was not able to get the things that she needed. Yes, yes, yes. So then Reva comes over to the house and Sutton's showing her the capsule collection and it's her sustainable clothing line and Sutton's trying to explain to her mom how complicated it is. She's got to send the stuff and send a code to London and then it all ships from Houston and then it's not easy.

We Wine Whenever (33:01.87)
Probably,

Kelli (33:03.585)
so it was Reba's fault.

We Wine Whenever (33:06.576)
Well, we'll this one.

We Wine Whenever (33:30.686)
know, Reba's like, like it reminds me of my ground beef. It's packaged here, but it's made in Cuba. I was like, my, like what?

Kelli (33:39.225)
Why are you buying ground beef from Cuba, Reba? We have farms in the United States. Why are you going to Cuba for your ground beef?

We Wine Whenever (33:42.03)
Exactly.

When Reba said that I was like, boy, she is out there. And like you said, why are you buying your ground beef from Cuba?

We Wine Whenever (33:50.01)
Yeah, I don't know what she's talking about.

Kelli (33:54.212)
Yeah.

Yeah, something's wrong, Reba.

We Wine Whenever (33:59.73)
And Sutton says, no, this is not like the ground beef. this is very important because this material, if we don't use it, is going to wind up in a landfill. And that's not good. The whole reason she's doing this recycled line is because it's better for the environment. And she wants to decrease our carbon footprint. And so then Sutton offers her mom a drink and that's when her mom's like, don't you realize I live alone?

Reba's like, what time is your flight tomorrow? Yeah, then Reba's complaining about the ice again. Like she doesn't, Reba does not want ice in her drinks. Anyone's making a drink for Reba? They do, yeah, she does not want the ice in her drink for whatever reason. I like ice in my drinks, so.

Kelli (34:39.683)
Not that ice.

Kelli (34:48.299)
Yeah, some drinks require ice. Bloody Marys require ice.

We Wine Whenever (34:48.366)
meter.

We Wine Whenever (34:50.094)
I would think so, So Sutton says she was talking to her brother, John Clark, and she said, you know, like her mom has like no idea of like what's going on. He's like, well, you know, like look at what she does for a living. She's like, yeah, but we're not her patients. you know, she can't therapize us, you know? And she says to her mom, and finally she says to her mom, I don't think you realize everything that I do or.

Kelli (35:10.467)
Right, right.

We Wine Whenever (35:19.982)
that you're proud of me at all. And Reba says, I don't understand any of that. And why wouldn't I be proud of you? And Sutton says, I guess because you don't say it. And Reba's like, well, why do I need to say it?

Kelli (35:34.233)
Reba said saying I love you is trite.

We Wine Whenever (35:36.866)
Yep, that's what she said. She said, saying I love you is trite. So that's just how she feels. Like she doesn't, like the words don't mean anything. She wants like, she's there. So she thinks that that's enough.

Kelli (35:52.399)
That's the thing, like you can say, you know, actions speak louder than words, but she's not even acting like she's proud of her, acting like she, I mean, I'm not gonna say she's not acting like she loves her because the bottom line is she's her mother, obviously she loves her. But I mean, my goodness gracious, Reba, show some affection.

We Wine Whenever (35:59.989)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (36:02.496)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (36:06.71)
Right, right.

We Wine Whenever (36:12.228)
Yeah, but I think...

We Wine Whenever (36:12.622)
I was glad Sutton said it though. She said, I need to hear it. I need to hear that you're proud of me. I need to hear that you love me. So then she said, okay, I love you. I'm proud of you.

Kelli (36:16.813)
For sure.

We Wine Whenever (36:24.164)
Right. Can we move on?

Kelli (36:25.131)
I'm not a very needy person. I don't need affection. I don't need the words. don't, but I'll tell you what. My mother says I love you every time we hang up the phone. I say it back. My father doesn't, but that's just him. You know what I mean? But my father will say I love you, just not every time we hang up the phone. But listen, I don't need it, but I love it. I like to hear it.

We Wine Whenever (36:40.663)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (36:50.712)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (36:50.714)
Right. And well, like Reba said, she's just from a time of, you know, there's not all this coddling going on when she was, that's just how, you know what I'm saying? I'm not making excuses for her. I'm just saying that's kind of where her head is at. you know, of course I love you. I fed you. I clothed you. I was your mother. So that means I love you.

We Wine Whenever (37:00.267)
wait, yeah.

Kelli (37:16.079)
Hopefully though now that Sutton has brought it to her attention and said this is what I need from you Hopefully she does those things because it cannot be easy at 82 years old to completely change yourself To accommodate your child, but if this is what they're asking for and telling you that they need it. Hopefully you do it

We Wine Whenever (37:35.64)
Well, Reba actually said, I have to go back to the way I was raised post WW2. And in those days, nobody ever told me I was pretty when I was growing up. It didn't matter that was I pretty, was I ugly. You just kept going. That's how it was in those days. Right. She's like, we would put the baby in the crib and let the baby cry. There was no, well, imagine post World War II. And then that's when Sutton said, well,

Kelli (37:50.767)
Yeah, you were just trying to survive.

We Wine Whenever (37:52.644)
That's a thing.

Kelli (37:57.002)
I did that.

We Wine Whenever (38:04.596)
It's not trite. I don't want to make you do anything that isn't real to you, but what I'm saying to you is that this is what I need. you know, Reba said, okay, you know, this is what you need. And then Sutton says, well, I know you don't like traveling. Reba's like, I don't mind traveling. I was like, okay. She's like, well, I've got this show coming up with the capsule collection, you know, I'd like for you to come. She's like, I'll come to California.

And Sutton's like, you know, good. And we was like, does that mean I have to sleep in Phillip's room? That's the weird one. Right, so it's like, and Sutton's like, well, where do you want to sleep? So like, that's just who she is. I'm sure she's.

We Wine Whenever (38:40.164)
complaining about the aquarium with this weird fish in the room freaking her out

Kelli (38:40.707)
Is that the weird one?

Kelli (38:46.179)
can't believe she called her own grandson weird.

Kelli (38:55.449)
She must have a guest bedroom, Sutton, for crying out loud. 300 grand a month for alimony? Get a best guest bedroom.

We Wine Whenever (39:00.682)
I'm sure, yes, I'm sure she has a guest house. But she agrees that she's gonna come. Sutton says we need to do better and her mom agrees and that they should be friends and listen to each other, have more of a better relationship. So I do think that although as awkward as it was, I do think hopefully it looked like Reba was getting something out of it and

We Wine Whenever (39:02.64)
I'm sure she does. Yeah.

Kelli (39:05.12)
Exactly!

We Wine Whenever (39:21.103)
Hopefully.

Kelli (39:29.603)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (39:29.748)
Sutton at least got to say it, which

Kelli (39:32.271)
She said it, so that's, you know, she's good. But Reba said, can do better. We can do better. So that's great. So it all ended on a good note. It was a good trip.

We Wine Whenever (39:34.732)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (39:39.872)
Yes, she did. She absolutely did. She did.

We Wine Whenever (39:43.278)
That's promising.

We Wine Whenever (39:46.126)
Yeah, it was a good trip and it was so funny then she's like, Oh, I'm going to go get the girls and she and they're standing there to look on their face. was hysterical.

We Wine Whenever (39:54.138)
That was funny.

Kelli (39:56.089)
That was so funny.

We Wine Whenever (39:57.892)
Yeah, whether that was produced or not, really doesn't matter because it was funny. It was cute.

Kelli (40:02.759)
Somebody put on social media that picture of the three of them like around the corner. was like, is the cover of a Nancy Drew novel. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (40:11.312)
Yeah, I like that,

We Wine Whenever (40:12.118)
Yeah. So they go, make the crab cakes. Her mom didn't say anything about the crab cakes, but she did say the salad was good. So more than likely, she didn't like the crab cake.

Kelli (40:22.499)
Well, I mean, me too. But Sutton said that her mother made her crab cakes that Christmas Eve the day before her father committed suicide.

We Wine Whenever (40:23.704)
I would have been digging the crab cake. I was getting really hungry looking at that crab cake.

We Wine Whenever (40:34.542)
The day after. The day after, yeah, yeah, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (40:34.958)
the day after and she burnt them and she burnt them.

Kelli (40:35.951)
The day after, I'm sorry, the day after, yeah. So maybe just the fact that Sutton was making them, maybe that was just a, maybe her mom doesn't eat them anymore because, you who knows?

We Wine Whenever (40:47.838)
Right, right, right. Right. So I thought it was a good episode. thought that it was good to see where Sutton comes from. This is what we talk about. This is what we like to see. We like to see these people, what their real lives are like. It makes us understand them so much better.

Kelli (40:52.963)
Me too.

Kelli (41:00.128)
Absolutely.

Kelli (41:07.949)
Yeah, there was no drama. There was no unnecessary fighting. Yeah, but listen, that's her mom. And listen, I mean, no fake drama. Like Reba is who Reba is, like her or not. So that was good. Yeah, no fake drama.

We Wine Whenever (41:10.336)
Right. I mean, just Reva drama. Right.

We Wine Whenever (41:13.06)
Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (41:22.736)
All right,

We Wine Whenever (41:24.598)
And I think, right, I think when you think back to when we saw Heather Fancy Pants go back to New York with Gina and we met Heather Fancy Pants' mom, I was like, now we know why Heather Dubrow is the way she is because she is also just like her mother. And I like to see these things. I like to see these connections. They make perfect sense. Like, you know, that's why we watch these shows. I personally don't watch to watch them fight. I know.

Kelli (41:38.127)
For sure. For sure.

Kelli (41:51.523)
No, me neither. I know. Dana?

We Wine Whenever (41:52.288)
some people do enjoy that. That's the reason that they watch, but Dana likes the fight. She's not the only one though.

Kelli (42:00.527)
Mm-mm.

We Wine Whenever (42:01.704)
And I thought it was really good to, you know, just like with Salt Lake bringing up the topic of, you know, addiction. again, with this Beverly Hills bringing up the topic of mental health and suicide. I think those are important topics. So.

Kelli (42:03.042)
short.

Kelli (42:16.995)
Yeah, absolutely.

We Wine Whenever (42:18.934)
Yeah, I think so too. So I think we'll kind of close this one out because we have some more things to talk about today, right? We'll do another episode. Yeah. Okay. Until next time.

Kelli (42:30.583)
Yeah. Yep. But we will start talking about Southern Charm because this is crazy.

We Wine Whenever (42:30.81)
Yeah?

We Wine Whenever (42:36.866)
Yeah. yeah. We're definitely going end Southern Hospitality and Summerhouse. Okay.

Kelli (42:42.991)
Summer House. And I'm just gonna say this and then we'll leave it. Craig and Paige need to stop talking. They both need to stop talking because Bravo is editing their shows and Bravo is writing the narrative about their breakup. They need to just be quiet and not comment.

We Wine Whenever (42:59.256)
Well, bravo.

We Wine Whenever (43:04.398)
Bravo picked up cameras on both shows.

Kelli (43:06.938)
listen, this is Bravo's new formula since Scandival. Pick the cameras back up. Bravo is doing this. Bravo is meddling in these people's lives. You sign your soul to the devil when you get on a Bravo show. I'm convinced of it.

We Wine Whenever (43:09.024)
Yes, it is.

We Wine Whenever (43:19.16)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (43:23.792)
Absolutely. I would never in a million trillion years, not for a lot of money, no, no, no, no, no, no. Like I've said a million times, I think it's a horrible way to make a living and I would never. I'll stay home and eat Kraft Mac and Cheese. I'm good. Don't need the paycheck.

Kelli (43:26.847)
Never in a million years. I'll talk about it, but never in a million years.

Kelli (43:36.847)
For sure. You're selling your soul to the devil.

Kelli (43:43.028)
Absolutely. Ramen noodles it is for dinner people.

We Wine Whenever (43:48.077)
Yes, absolutely.

We Wine Whenever (43:48.13)
There you go. And if Kraft would like to sponsor us, that would be great. Thank you. Or ramen, listen. Or McCormick's.

Kelli (43:51.407)
Or ramen.

We Wine Whenever (43:51.536)
Yeah, yeah, I know. He does.

Kelli (43:55.366)
Eric has the ramen pants!

We Wine Whenever (44:00.366)
We could even bump it up a notch and go for Stofer's Mac and Cheese.

Kelli (44:00.569)
All right.

We Wine Whenever (44:04.992)
you can go for both. Okay. Okay. Until next time. Bye.

Kelli (44:06.777)
Don't get crazy. Settle down, Laura. Settle down. Bye.

We Wine Whenever (44:07.36)
Hold on. Take it easy. Take it easy. All right.

We Wine Whenever (44:17.22)
Bye.