Wendy Williams "You Know What I Mean"

Wendy Williams "You Know What I Mean"

Wendy Williams & Guardianship Controversy

Key Points:

• Wendy’s Call to Charlamagne Tha God: Wendy Williams called into his radio show, stating she is not cognitively impaired but is being held in a facility.
• Facility Details: She has been in a New York assisted living facility (5th-floor memory care unit) for 8 months. She can make calls but cannot receive them. No access to a cell phone, computer, or iPad.
• Guardianship Concerns:
  • GinaLisa Monterroso (Connect Care Advisory Founder) questions why Wendy is under guardianship, stating no professional has assessed her condition.
  • Rosanna Scotto (News Anchor & Friend) has seen Wendy at her worst but believes she is at her best now and should not be in a locked facility.
  • Alex Finne (Wendy’s Niece): Thought Wendy was moving into an apartment in NYC. She is now isolated and trying to share her story.
• Financial Issues & Guardianship Origins:
  • Wendy’s son, Kevin Hunter Jr., mismanaged her money, including spending $113,000 on a boat.
  • Wells Fargo froze her accounts after failing to contact her, triggering the guardianship.
  • Legal Battle: No clear explanation for why Wendy remains under guardianship for three years.
• Judicial & Guardian Actions:
  • The judge authorized Wendy’s guardian to profit from her assets.
  • Documents are sealed, and Wendy has never been reassessed.
  • A lawsuit with Lifetime & A&E may be restricting her communication.
• Cognitive Health Debate:
  • Wendy was reportedly drinking heavily during her documentary.
  • Diagnosed with aphasia and possible Frontotemporal Dementia (FTD), but experts suggest alcohol-induced dementia could be reversible.
  • She hasn’t seen a doctor in over 18 months.
• Wendy’s Mental & Emotional State:
  • Friends and family claim she sounds like her old self.
  • She wants her freedom back and someone else to manage her money.
  • Wants to visit her 94-year-old father in Miami, which she finally did on February 15th.
• Recent Interview (Jan 20th) with Harvey Levin:
  • Wendy displayed sharp memory, recalling Donald Trump as the 47th president and past encounters with celebrities.
  • Made comments about Diddy ("prison for life") and JLo ("a good girl until she’s not").
  • Talked about relationships, cheating, and wanting to date again in NYC.
•  Court Decision (Sept 2024):
  • The judge ruled her son cannot manage her finances, but a new guardian is yet to be assigned.

Takeaways

• Wendy Williams feels trapped and imprisoned in her current situation.
• There are concerns about her mental health and possible misdiagnosis.
• Family dynamics play a significant role in Wendy's life and decisions.
• The conservatorship has raised questions about her autonomy and rights.
• Wendy's cognitive state appears to be better than previously reported.
• The importance of having a sober coach for recovery is emphasized.
• Wendy's son has been involved in questionable financial decisions.
• The role of care managers is crucial in ensuring proper healthcare.
• There is a significant concern about the motivations of those around Wendy.

Transcript

We Wine Whenever (00:00.686)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever, I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:03.234)
I'm Kelly.

We Wine Whenever (00:04.156)
And I'm Lori.

We Wine Whenever (00:05.806)
We are talking about Wendy Williams. We wanted to give you guys an update because we did our last episode, I believe it was last March. Yeah, so February of 2024, the documentary came out, the four part documentary, and we had watched that and we gave you our, you know, our thoughts about that where, you know, she looked really bad. She seemed to be in very bad, you know, mental state.

Kelli (00:14.361)
It's almost a year.

We Wine Whenever (00:33.836)
definitely under the influence of alcohol, possibly drugs. We didn't know. We didn't know what it was all about. But just very recently, there's been a lot of movement on that front. And Wendy has been reaching out. I think she first started reaching out to Charlamagne the God, a longtime friend of hers who has the radio show, The Breakfast Club. She called in there and she was on the radio with him.

letting people know that she is trapped and she feels imprisoned. And then Harvey Levin got involved and he actually went, wanted to do an interview with her. And they were not able to go into the facility that she's in to see her because she's not allowed to have visitors. So they did this interview with Wendy Williams standing at the window.

in her room in the facility on the fifth floor in New York City. And they filmed her and Harvey spoke to her while she was on the phone with him. Harvey Levin, well that the interview was Harvey Levin and the attorney.

Kelli (01:38.561)
while she was on the phone with them. was Harvey and...

Kelli (01:47.993)
Galop... I'm gonna... Maricaragos. I always want to say Galapagos. Look, Lopagosoclus.

We Wine Whenever (01:50.336)
Mark Garagos, Mark Garagos, that was Mark Garagos.

We Wine Whenever (01:51.578)
Yeah. So it's too. Yeah. Yeah. So that's a Too Angry Men podcast.

Kelli (01:59.883)
Yeah. Now, how did she get into this facility and when? Do we know?

We Wine Whenever (01:59.926)
Yes, that was that.

We Wine Whenever (02:08.056)
So she's been in the facility for eight months at this point. Eight months.

Kelli (02:11.049)
eight months.

We Wine Whenever (02:12.636)
Yes. And previous to that, she was in a facility in, believe, Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (02:18.392)
Connecticut, yes.

Kelli (02:19.809)
And these are memory loss, like right now she's on a memory loss floor.

We Wine Whenever (02:25.214)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (02:25.582)
She's on a memory care floor, which is a lockdown floor. All of the roommates on all the other people on that floor, like she has said, are in their 70s and 80s and are very cognitively impaired.

Kelli (02:39.017)
So my thought was listening to this interview with Harvey and the attorney, well Harvey's an attorney too, but if you're on a memory loss floor, memory care floor, and they're trying to help you restore some memory, which I'm hoping that they're trying to do.

We Wine Whenever (02:46.626)
Yeah, Mark Argos.

We Wine Whenever (02:59.348)
No, no, no, they're not. these kind of conditions, well, yes, she certainly should be seeing her family, but there's these conditions, dementia is debilitating and it's degenerative. It just gets worse. It doesn't get better. There's no way to get better from dementia.

Kelli (03:01.997)
Wouldn't they let you see your family though?

We Wine Whenever (03:18.685)
magic.

We Wine Whenever (03:20.332)
That being said, she was probably misdiagnosed. Wendy thinks that. Harvey thinks that. Anyone who's watched her interview or heard her on the phone or spoke to her for any length of time, this is what happened. She was misdiagnosed. And it is just sad. It's very sad.

Kelli (03:41.817)
So at this point, she's not in the interview I listened to, and Wendy and Lori did much more research than I did, but she's not admitting that she had an alcohol problem, but she is admitting that she is sober at this point. Right? Okay. Because when Harvey says to her that she should get a sober coach, she does not respond well to it, but she does insist that she is sober, and I believe that she is sober.

We Wine Whenever (03:55.574)
Right, that's true. Yes.

We Wine Whenever (03:56.22)
Yes. Yes. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (04:02.36)
Sobercove.

We Wine Whenever (04:11.928)
Well, because you

Kelli (04:12.205)
Listen, I listened to this interview and I thought it's a much better version of Wendy than when we last saw her in that last one. She's still a little off the wall. She's Wendy and she's been in the business long enough where I don't think anybody in the business this long is not gonna be off the wall.

We Wine Whenever (04:26.119)
Little off.

We Wine Whenever (04:26.355)
But she's Wendy. That's who she is.

We Wine Whenever (04:36.898)
I, my take on it was she still has a little ways to go. I feel like, she probably does have the dementia induced by alcohol. Alcohol, alcohol induced dementia, which they say you can get better from. So who knows how much better she's going to get? Do I think that she is a hundred percent of who she used to be? No.

We Wine Whenever (04:50.444)
The alcohol, yes.

Kelli (04:51.341)
That's it. Yes. Yes.

We Wine Whenever (04:54.04)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (05:06.29)
Do I think that she could possibly get there? Who knows? not a doctor and guess what? The human mind and the human body can do crazy things. So who knows?

Kelli (05:18.361)
but it doesn't even sound like she's getting the right treatment where she is. Right, so how is she supposed to get better?

We Wine Whenever (05:22.031)
There is no treatment.

We Wine Whenever (05:22.05)
Well, there's no treatment. is no treatment. The issue is, well, the issue, right, the issue is, right, the issue is that she's never been reevaluated. So she's been in this facility for eight months. No doctor has come and reevaluate her. She was in the other facility in Connecticut. There was no evaluation done then.

We Wine Whenever (05:27.122)
She's just getting better on her own. She stopped the alcohol.

We Wine Whenever (05:47.808)
It's been at least 18 months since a doctor has evaluated her. That is insane. That is insane. What is insane is that this guardian has all this control. It's one thing to control the finances. And I think that that definitely needs to still continue to happen. Maybe not this particular one, but to not allow her to have her cell phone, an iPad, computer, a...

Kelli (05:52.567)
Ridiculous. Ridiculous.

We Wine Whenever (05:53.607)
Jesus.

Kelli (06:07.16)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (06:15.798)
She only has a landline and can only call out. Nobody can call her.

Kelli (06:20.961)
It's amazing that they got this approved for her to do this interview.

We Wine Whenever (06:24.664)
Well, they didn't get it approved. She called them. She's allowed to call out. She's allowed to call out.

We Wine Whenever (06:27.998)
She's allowed to call. Yes, yes, yes.

Kelli (06:28.351)
Okay, good for her. See, this proves to me that she's in a good enough state mentally to make these decisions for herself. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (06:37.664)
Absolutely. Absolutely.

We Wine Whenever (06:38.642)
Almost definitely. And you know, when we originally did the first, our first podcast in regards to that documentary, I, at that point when we did it, I really didn't know that much about Wendy Williams' history. So after that, you know, I really found out all those things about like her husband had this, an affair and

We Wine Whenever (07:06.019)
yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (07:08.496)
another baby and she just, why they were married and it was like, moved like up the street and he bought her like a house with Wendy's money. Yeah. So, and so it was this, there was, yeah. So there was a lot, there was a lot. Now I can, that's what I'm saying, you know, and she really wanted to stay committed to her marriage. She really wanted to try and make it work. And I think that she just.

Kelli (07:11.501)
while they were married?

Kelli (07:20.089)
Stop it.

We Wine Whenever (07:21.379)
Yes.

Kelli (07:23.181)
With Wendy's money?

We Wine Whenever (07:24.599)
Yes.

Kelli (07:27.543)
I'm fuck you up right there.

We Wine Whenever (07:38.194)
blew it off and blew it off and just even though she knew in the back of her mind what really was going on, she really tried to just, she wrote it out for way too long and put up with way too much for too long of a time. And I think that was part of her kind of, you know, mental break that she eventually had, which we got to really see during that, you know, where is Wendy documentary.

We Wine Whenever (08:00.781)
Right.

Kelli (08:00.951)
Yeah. Yeah.

And if you have tendencies to abuse alcohol, going through something like that, you're certainly going to fall into that habit.

We Wine Whenever (08:15.062)
And that, yeah, and that's exactly what happened. That is exactly what happened. She was on top of the world. She had her show. She was like sweeping everything under the rug about her husband. She knew, she knew he was cheating. But then when he bought the house and then the baby and then he, I think he's the one who asked for the divorce. It wasn't even her at that point. And he controlled everything at the studio. Like he was the one running the thing, running everything. Yes.

We Wine Whenever (08:15.066)
Right.

Kelli (08:17.977)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (08:27.73)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (08:42.098)
Yeah, he was her producer.

We Wine Whenever (08:44.834)
He was her manager, he was everything. So she had no one at the studio that had her back.

We Wine Whenever (08:50.886)
Thank you.

Kelli (08:52.131)
This was my takeaway from this interview, that this poor woman doesn't know who to trust because her own son took advantage.

We Wine Whenever (08:59.722)
Well, yeah.

Yeah.

Well, yeah. Well, her son is her ex-husband's, you know, he's an app. Yes, exactly. Like father like son.

We Wine Whenever (09:06.224)
Absolutely. Absolutely.

We Wine Whenever (09:11.738)
Like father, like son.

Kelli (09:14.403)
But God bless her and we would all do the same thing. She said, I'm not here to talk about my son. My son is a good boy. God bless her and we'd all do the same.

We Wine Whenever (09:18.08)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (09:24.397)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (09:24.604)
Right. And you know, I'm sure to some degree she's right. I'm sure he was highly influenced by outside sources. Right. Right. And you make mistakes. Right.

We Wine Whenever (09:32.43)
100%.

Kelli (09:32.629)
Even if he wasn't, he's a young kid, he sees dollar signs. It doesn't make, you know, he's you know, he's human, he's human.

We Wine Whenever (09:40.796)
Right, right. can come, it's certainly something that he can come back from. All I'm saying was, this is how I look at it.

He has their, parents going through this situation, you know, where Wendy kind of knows what's going on, but is not really saying what's going on. So there's that whole thing that he's going through this child, their marriage, you know, and then, you know, his mother starts to decline. His father's with this other woman having another baby. And then.

We Wine Whenever (10:06.263)
Young Adult.

We Wine Whenever (10:19.686)
you know, she got put into that conservatorship before they even started filming that documentary.

We Wine Whenever (10:28.568)
Well, that's the whole issue. she was under the guardianship and the conservatorship when the deal was signed. They let this happen. And then once it came out, she says, like, she hadn't even seen that guardian. She hadn't even seen that woman. She wasn't around at all. And then when it came out, the guardian was like, we got to stop this. And now this is in court. This has been in court.

We Wine Whenever (10:55.442)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (10:58.914)
that the guardian is speaking on Wendy's behalf saying that she didn't want this and you took advantage of her. Well, you were the guardian. You're the one who allowed it to happen. So egg is on her face. So the judge has ruled that anyone involved in the lawsuit is not allowed to speak about it, which would be the guardian, which would be the production company and all of that. Her son is not allowed to speak about her.

We Wine Whenever (11:25.214)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (11:27.234)
The only one who's allowed to speak is Wendy, but the Guardian has her locked down so that she can't speak.

Kelli (11:33.209)
which is probably why she has her lockdown. Right.

We Wine Whenever (11:35.346)
Exactly. That's exactly why she's locked down. That's exactly why. She's trying to save her own ass.

We Wine Whenever (11:36.574)
Right, that's the point.

Kelli (11:43.511)
And you know what I thought was very interesting that the attorney Mark said, this is Wendy Williams, or maybe Harvey said this. Like if this can happen to her, imagine how many people this is happening to.

We Wine Whenever (11:49.996)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (11:57.49)
Well, I actually can tell you at some point when we get to it, I want to get to that in my notes, because I wrote that down exactly how many people are in conservatorships. And it's quite a few. getting back to her son. So what happens is Wendy starts to go through this big decline and he brings her to Miami.

We Wine Whenever (12:22.562)
Right, she moves in with him.

We Wine Whenever (12:24.028)
She moves in with him. So that's a not right. Yeah. So that's another

Kelli (12:25.589)
sun? Wait, after what we watched? okay, okay.

We Wine Whenever (12:26.476)
Yes.

No, before, before.

We Wine Whenever (12:31.292)
before, before, before. And then, you know, the guardianship kind of kicks in. She's got to come back to New York. So then, then that situation where, you know, he's this young person trying to take care of his mom because she's starting to go into a spiral. Then she gets totally taken away. And, you know, he's on, he's in Miami. She's in New York.

We Wine Whenever (12:39.416)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (12:57.938)
He probably has all kinds of people in his ear, his father, his friends, you know, being like, you cause I'm sure she always let him do whatever he wanted. He's our only son, you know, I'm sure he was, you know, spoiled, whatever. So I think that he made some bad decisions, but I don't feel like he himself is really a bad person.

We Wine Whenever (13:08.206)
Right.

Kelli (13:08.217)
Yeah, yeah, sure, sure.

We Wine Whenever (13:14.104)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (13:21.486)
No, and that's what Wendy said. That's exactly what Wendy said. The whole thing started the way, the reason Wells Fargo got involved is because there was all these bank transactions, large sums of money. And then Kevin said, her son, that he wanted to rent a boat for his birthday and it was going to be $1,500. But it wound up renting the boat was $113,000. And Kevin is saying to Wendy,

Kelli (13:22.287)
Exactly. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (13:24.563)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (13:48.578)
that that's what the bank wanted him to do and the bank wanted him to have. And that is not the case. And then these other people that are surrounding Kevin are telling him what to do so much as so one of them impersonated Wendy and contacted the bank and called the bank pretending to be Wendy, an older woman called the bank pretending to be Wendy.

We Wine Whenever (14:08.604)
Yes.

Kelli (14:09.433)
What?

We Wine Whenever (14:18.4)
And then this is when Wells Fargo finally said, no, no, no. Like, this is not right. We need to shut this down. Like, someone is taking advantage of her. They were not out of line with that. That was, and even Wendy acknowledges that. Like, she's glad that they did that because at least her money is protected. She thinks because she doesn't know how much money she has. She doesn't know where it is. Yes, yes, but.

Kelli (14:27.427)
so they were not out of line.

We Wine Whenever (14:30.365)
no, no.

Kelli (14:34.883)
She did acknowledge that.

Yes. Yes. And she did say that in the interview.

We Wine Whenever (14:45.536)
There's no reason for her to be stuck in a facility that she can't leave. doesn't get fresh air. She can't have visitors. She doesn't have a cell phone. Doesn't have a computer. There's no reason to live like this.

Kelli (15:00.545)
I agree with you, but you also, you have to think about this. If she really did have an alcohol substance abuse issue, she's been in this facility for this long. She has no access to it. So she has to, so when Harvey says to her, you need a sober coach, he's not lying. She needs to get into a program ASAP and get herself a sponsor.

We Wine Whenever (15:12.278)
Yeah, she's clean. Right, 100%, 100%.

Kelli (15:29.869)
because when she leaves, if she wins, and I hope she does, she's gonna be out and about all on her own. She's going to have access to everything. You have to change people, places, things, right?

We Wine Whenever (15:41.72)
Well, her niece...

We Wine Whenever (15:45.053)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (15:45.154)
Yeah, her niece, Alex, has been involved in this and has been a part of Wendy's life the whole time. Yes, yes, Alex. And she went to see Wendy for the first time in October and she hadn't seen her in a year and a half. She talks to her every day, many times a day, but she hadn't seen her in a year and a half. And she also had a hard time even getting in there. When she first showed up at the facility, they weren't even gonna let her in.

Kelli (15:51.235)
That's who was on the interview, yeah.

Kelli (16:11.779)
blows me away.

We Wine Whenever (16:13.004)
Yeah, she finally got in there to see her and she said, that's the Wendy that she knows. Like that is the Wendy that she knows. They didn't skip a beat, but she does acknowledge that, you know, she agrees that she still needs to have someone taking care of her money and that she still needs to have someone, whether it be a sober coach or somebody that is looking after her, another person, not her son. They all agree that he is not the one to do this, but.

Kelli (16:36.706)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (16:39.174)
He's too young. He shouldn't be in charge of it.

Kelli (16:40.739)
Yes. Yes.

We Wine Whenever (16:40.802)
Well, it's not even too young. He's just not capable. But she has a sister in Florida. She has a sister. has... No, her sister wouldn't. Because I think it's Alex's mom. I think it's Alex's mom. Alex, her niece could certainly be involved. And then there's this other person, Gina Lisa. So this Gina Lisa is her ex... She works for a company that is called...

Kelli (16:48.025)
But these could all be people who were taken advantage, though.

We Wine Whenever (17:10.19)
Connect Care Advisory Foundation. So she's trying, what she said is she's trying to assist her and be a care manager. So a care manager, yeah, a care manager is, because I know someone who has a care manager, a care manager is someone who looks after your care, your healthcare and your wellbeing.

We Wine Whenever (17:22.844)
Yeah, I looked her up.

We Wine Whenever (17:36.448)
and they make sure that you're getting the services and the things that you need. Which is an important job. What did you find out about at Genelease? What I see is she looks legit.

We Wine Whenever (17:41.576)
Yes.

Kelli (17:44.322)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (17:49.126)
Yeah. She has, like you said, she's a care manager. She started her business like 25 years ago because she had a Down syndrome child and she really had a lot of difficulty navigating Medicare, Medicaid. So she really knows how to manage someone's healthcare. So I think

We Wine Whenever (18:07.832)
The system. Yes.

We Wine Whenever (18:14.818)
Yes. Yes.

We Wine Whenever (18:18.042)
She's going to be a definitely a great advocate for Wendy. Now, going back to us talking about Wendy not really acknowledging that she needs a sober coach. I think that Wendy has to be careful what she says and what she admits to because I think legally she doesn't want to give any ammunition to the guardian.

saying, look, she's already admitted that she needs a silver coat. So I think she has to be kind of careful as to what she, you know, she's even careful saying the woman's name.

We Wine Whenever (18:53.08)
Right.

Kelli (19:02.979)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (19:02.988)
Yes, she doesn't say her name.

We Wine Whenever (19:04.413)
So I think that she, I think she has to be very, she has to be very careful with her wording. Like she gets all freaked out. you know, what if she doesn't give me my phone back? She had, the woman has her phone.

We Wine Whenever (19:07.736)
She's afraid of her. She is afraid.

We Wine Whenever (19:19.758)
She had to get permission from her to go visit her father for his 94th birthday down in Miami. And she was afraid that that wasn't going to happen. Now, I will tell you this. She's there. She went to Florida today. TMZ reported. I saw her in the airport. I saw a video of her. So she got to Florida. And she's going to visit her father. But this was like a touch and go thing. Harvey did this interview with her.

Kelli (19:23.641)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (19:33.692)
Yes, she did.

We Wine Whenever (19:48.222)
on the to be thing on January 20th, which was the same day as the inauguration. Harvey started asking Wendy some questions. Asked, you know, let her know that today was the inauguration of Donald Trump. If she, you know, what her thoughts were about him being president. She's like, yeah, yeah, he's the 47th president. And yeah, I think it's good for him. I think it's good for him.

She goes on to say this whole story about how she met him in a movie theater. And he had mentioned something about her weight and she said something to him. And then he was on her show. And then they show a clip where he's on her show in 2013. Then he asks her. Yeah, I know. then, right, Candy, exactly. So Harvey keeps asking her all these questions about topics that are going on now that she would have talked about on her show to see where she's at cognitively.

Kelli (20:29.859)
That's so funny, he says something about our Wade.

We Wine Whenever (20:33.694)
Well, because she had candy.

Kelli (20:44.963)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (20:46.016)
So he asks her about Diddy. She said, yeah, he needs to be in prison for life. JLo and Ben. I really loved JLo. She was on my show, but mm. She's a good girl until she's not. So listen, then he asked her about TikTok. She doesn't know anything about TikTok. She doesn't have it, doesn't know anything about it. Then he asked her about Taylor and Travis. Like, you know, do you think that they should get married? She said, yeah, I guess so. But then she said, men are cheating pigs.

Kelli (21:01.643)
Damn.

We Wine Whenever (21:16.768)
And I was like, well, not me. she's like, well, then she admits that she cheated herself when she was married. But she said, you have to, you have to cheat up is what she said. I cheated up. We'll find out.

Kelli (21:23.363)
Come on, Wendy.

We Wine Whenever (21:24.434)
But she said at least she cheated up. She said she cheated up.

Kelli (21:30.393)
who it was with. Listen, I'm gonna venture to say that her husband stepped out prior to her stepping out and she just did it to be like, fuck you. And good for her.

We Wine Whenever (21:31.323)
Yeah, I know, right?

We Wine Whenever (21:38.335)
most definitely. yes, absolutely. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (21:40.814)
Yes, 100%. But what I'm saying to you is she is cognitively there. If she can answer these questions and have this conversation, she should not be in a memory care unit. There is no doctor.

Kelli (21:47.543)
Yes, she most certainly is.

Kelli (21:55.852)
No.

Certainly not without any, with restrictions on people coming to see her. mean, Eric's aunt, her husband, you know, got Alzheimer's or dementia. I'm not exactly sure which one, but he was then put into a memory care facility and his aunt went to visit her husband every day. This is what you do for people who are in these places.

We Wine Whenever (22:26.491)
and she's lonely. She is a people person. She's an entertainer. There's nobody on her floor she can talk to. They're all people in their 70s and 80s with memory care issues.

Kelli (22:28.162)
Of course!

Kelli (22:36.801)
I mean, it is so clear, like, people don't want her to get better because they're just taking advantage of her money.

We Wine Whenever (22:41.996)
because of the money. It's all about the money. That's what it goes back to. It's all about the guardian trying to

We Wine Whenever (22:44.101)
some money.

Kelli (22:47.885)
Like look at Bruce Willis's family and how they're like embracing what he's going through.

We Wine Whenever (22:54.008)
Yeah.

Kelli (22:55.715)
This is like a, this is terrible. I did agree with Harvey when he said, and I was like, my God, I've been saying this. He said, I will, I stood by the fact that I did not think that Britney Spears conservatorship should have been, you know, released. And I said the same thing, which I remember having conversations with Tass. I'm like, there's a reason.

There is a reason, and I tried to read her book. I couldn't even get through it. I don't think that this girl should be left to her own devices. So I thought it was very interesting that Harvey said the same thing.

We Wine Whenever (23:35.879)
No.

We Wine Whenever (23:39.894)
Yeah. So Wendy's actual diagnosed issues are she's got lymphedema, she agrees with that, and she's got a thyroid issue which is attached to Graves' disease. And these are all things that she's acknowledged, right? And those absolutely need to be treated. And they are being treated.

Kelli (23:54.061)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (24:02.627)
Grave's disease is why her eyes were protruding.

We Wine Whenever (24:05.304)
That's the thyroid, right, the thyroid. Yes, yes. And she says that too, even in the interview, she says that. But there's no reason that she should be under this kind of lockdown. She really is, she really is in jail. She really is. They have imprisoned her.

We Wine Whenever (24:07.72)
Yes.

Kelli (24:11.841)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (24:24.68)
So the diagnosis that she received from Wells Cornell Medical Center is frontal lobe dementia. Yeah, temporal lobe dementia, yeah. So the way that that works is before it affects memory, it affects language and behavior. when she, so she got diagnosed with this.

We Wine Whenever (24:33.624)
Temporal frontal dementia. Yeah

We Wine Whenever (24:53.712)
And then when she was in court in front of the judge, they kept saying, because you know how Wendy likes to say, you know what I'm saying? You know what I mean? You know what I'm saying.

Kelli (25:05.64)
there were two things. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? And there was something else and I meant to say, you know what I mean? I was gonna say at the beginning of the episode, like we should do a play a drinking game every time she says that.

We Wine Whenever (25:11.042)
You know what I mean. You know what I mean.

We Wine Whenever (25:12.274)
You know what I mean?

We Wine Whenever (25:18.78)
Yes, every time she says that.

We Wine Whenever (25:20.428)
You know what I mean. Actually, I think that's what we're gonna name this episode. You know what I mean. Wendy Williams. Yeah. It's her moniker. Harvey Levin said it's her moniker. She says it all the time.

Kelli (25:24.525)
You know what I mean, yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (25:24.988)
That's a good idea. That's a good idea. yeah. So he was, the judge said that he ruled in favor of this diagnosis in part because she kept saying that and he was saying that he saw that as evidence of aphasia. Now aphasia is what happens in this disease.

where it affects language and behavior before it affects memory.

Kelli (25:58.233)
That's what happened with Bruce Willis.

We Wine Whenever (26:00.41)
Right. you know, but and like her niece said, no, that's just her. She's always said that. It's she's not saying that like she's not saying that to fill in the words because she doesn't know what to say. She's saying that because that's how she speaks. So.

We Wine Whenever (26:05.356)
Right. That's who she is.

We Wine Whenever (26:17.784)
That's what she says.

Kelli (26:18.081)
It's like us when we first started doing this podcast and we would say 100%. 100%.

We Wine Whenever (26:22.942)
100%. Yes. Yes.

We Wine Whenever (26:23.266)
Yeah. And it's like her, how you doing? Like that is her thing. That is her thing. Even the care manager went back and watched episodes cause she wasn't really familiar. And she's like, she says that all the time. How is this judge say, like even her care manager is acknowledging this. This care manager has been doing this for 30 years and she has no reason. She can't come up with any reason that this should be going on. She should not be there.

Kelli (26:27.177)
Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (26:27.238)
Right, it's the same thing. Yeah. So.

We Wine Whenever (26:38.578)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (26:51.794)
No, no. So there are 2 million people in the US right now in guardianships.

Kelli (26:59.673)
2 million? That's a large number, I feel like.

We Wine Whenever (27:01.31)
2 million people. That's a large number. And do you know that the person who's in charge of Wendy Williams' guardianship, Sabrina Morrissey, she is under investigation and she has a $30 million lawsuit against her and several other attorneys because there was a man who got hurt in New York from an accident at work.

We Wine Whenever (27:12.002)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (27:30.814)
received back and I believe neck injuries. And I will tell you, Morrissey and other attorneys were accused in the suit of conspiring to perpetuate a baseless guardianship against an individual, Jose Verdugo in New York, who had won a 5.5 million personal injury claim. So

It's just amazing that she could be under investigation for this and still be given Wendy Williams guardianship.

We Wine Whenever (28:11.148)
Yeah, that's crazy. That was already going on.

Kelli (28:11.427)
So, she's an attorney?

We Wine Whenever (28:14.684)
She's an attorney. Yeah, the guardian.

We Wine Whenever (28:17.474)
But that was going on before she was given Wendy Williams? that's crazy. the guardian, she's not answering any, she's not responding to anything. She's saying, obviously, because the judge has ordered that, but.

We Wine Whenever (28:20.22)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (28:24.121)
Crazy!

We Wine Whenever (28:33.394)
Yeah, and supposedly Sabrina Morrissey said that, you know,

in regards to the first documentary. So I have here, according to Morrissey, Williams' former manager, Will Selby, remember him from the documentary, alleged he would have a final creative control over the documentary's final cut and told Sabrina Morrissey, know, don't worry about it, I got it. She'll be portrayed in a great light. So what she did was,

We Wine Whenever (28:53.602)
Yes. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (29:13.074)
She was a guardian. She was supposed to be in control of the whole situation. And she just let that manager, who really wasn't even a manager, he was like a jeweler, take control of the whole situation. And then we saw, see how far south it went.

We Wine Whenever (29:23.053)
Right.

Kelli (29:29.611)
sure. Like how could she not be there during the filming of that?

We Wine Whenever (29:34.022)
Now, Denise said she never saw the Guardian during filming and Wendy says she never saw the Guardian was not around during filming at all.

We Wine Whenever (29:37.91)
And Wendy said the same thing.

Kelli (29:44.803)
So, however, she's getting a check every month, this guardian.

We Wine Whenever (29:44.813)
it

We Wine Whenever (29:48.898)
Yes, and it's funny because Wendy says to Harvey when she's talking to Harvey, she's like, you know, I have this guardian, but I don't even know. I think she's making money off me. And Harvey goes, no, she is. The judge authorized the guardian to make money off of you. And yeah, and that's when she said, well, she's the one who is fighting. She's the one who put the lawsuit against Lifetime, not Wendy. And she's saying it's on behalf of Wendy. Wendy's like,

We Wine Whenever (30:02.586)
most definitely.

Kelli (30:15.491)
Right, right. On behalf of Wendy.

We Wine Whenever (30:18.85)
Wendy's like, I didn't want that. She's the one who agreed to this. She's the one who agreed to this.

We Wine Whenever (30:22.206)
Hmm.

Kelli (30:23.299)
So this poor woman gets, you know, say she wins and she's like, who do you trust? Your husband? Douchebag. Your son didn't do good by you. Like who do you have? A court appointed guardian? F'd you over. Who you don't say? F'd you over. Like you can't, who the hell does this woman trust?

We Wine Whenever (30:32.018)
Nope.

We Wine Whenever (30:33.496)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (30:44.418)
Who you don't see, who doesn't show up. Right, who doesn't show up.

We Wine Whenever (30:46.172)
Right. Right.

Kelli (30:52.727)
when she gets out. I mean, hopefully the niece, sounds like the niece is, you know.

We Wine Whenever (30:52.781)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (30:57.886)
And her sister seemed a very stand up person, at least in that initial documentary. Now Wendy said that the place where she's at now in New York is $18,000 a month for that facility.

We Wine Whenever (31:13.326)
That's a lot of money. So I have an aunt that's in a memory care unit here in Brick, and this is her second memory care unit. So I'm very familiar with how these things work.

We Wine Whenever (31:14.586)
That's all the money.

Kelli (31:14.617)
That's a lot of money.

Kelli (31:25.377)
and you can go visit her whenever you choose.

We Wine Whenever (31:27.118)
I can go visit her anytime I want, 24-7, to be quite honest with you. It is a locked facility because they can't get out because they will hurt themselves and they need to be monitored 24-7, but that's not the case with Wendy. But I think the one was like $12,000 a month. And now the new one that she's at is a smaller facility and it's closer to $10,000 a month. But it's still, it's very, very expensive.

Kelli (31:34.105)
Sure, of course.

We Wine Whenever (31:54.076)
It's very expensive.

We Wine Whenever (31:54.304)
And this is Wendy's money that's paying for this. This is Wendy's money that's paying for this. She could be at the Four Seasons.

We Wine Whenever (31:57.171)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (32:02.642)
Right, paying that.

Kelli (32:02.701)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (32:03.446)
She could be at the Four Seasons, you know, with a companion. You know what saying? Like, this is craziness. Rosanna Scotto is also a friend of hers, and she's a news anchor, and she owns Fresco. And she was saying that, yeah, she's known Wendy for many years, and she's been talking to her a lot lately. She's known her, you know, when she was the best Wendy, and she's known her when she's the worst Wendy.

We Wine Whenever (32:09.628)
Yeah. Yep.

Kelli (32:15.129)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (32:20.337)
It shows the restaurant.

We Wine Whenever (32:32.362)
And she has said that, you know, she would show up at the restaurant and she would be inebriated and they would give her food and put her in a car and send her back home. She would try and get alcohol to go. They'd say, no, we can't do that. But she said the Wendy that she's talking to now is a good Wendy. It's a Wendy that she is one of the better, you know, she's in a good place. And she also feels that she should not be where she's at and that she needs to get out.

and she needs to make connections with people and have family and friends around her. That's all she wants.

Kelli (33:08.363)
I totally agree with that, but again, like I said, she is sober. She's been in a place for, you know, however many months.

We Wine Whenever (33:13.421)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (33:17.678)
Three years, well this has been going on for three, it's been three years that this has been going on. At least 18 months, at least 18 months, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (33:18.64)
three years.

Kelli (33:20.995)
but she hasn't been in a facility that long. Okay, so 18 months. She hasn't had access to any alcohol. So.

We Wine Whenever (33:29.45)
Right, no I'm not saying she doesn't need someone there looking after her. Absolutely.

Kelli (33:33.055)
She definitely needs to, like, hopefully she wins this battle and gets out on her own. She needs to get into a program, find a sponsor, and do all the things.

We Wine Whenever (33:44.302)
So her lawyer has petitioned the court to get an evaluation. She's getting an evaluation on Tuesday. And it's someone that her lawyer is having evaluate her. And then I believe it's next Wednesday, something is going in front of the judge. And if it doesn't get granted, they're going to go for an emergency something.

We Wine Whenever (33:52.614)
Next Tuesday.

Kelli (33:54.189)
Wow.

We Wine Whenever (33:57.874)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (34:10.526)
Yeah. And then Wendy's lawyer can actually demand a jury trial.

We Wine Whenever (34:15.52)
Yes. Yes.

Kelli (34:17.313)
I think that's what she needs personally.

We Wine Whenever (34:19.32)
Well, I think the judge should just do the right thing.

Kelli (34:21.495)
I think she needs a jury trial.

We Wine Whenever (34:24.436)
I think they need to just get her evaluated. Get her evaluated!

We Wine Whenever (34:24.808)
Well, the judge, yeah, if she gets reevaluated and the judge approves it, then she can, you know, she can get out. And I'm sure that there's going to be stipulations in order to end the guardianship. And one of them is high probability that she's going to have to have managed care, which this person Gina can do. And part of that is going to be something to do with like a sober coach or

We Wine Whenever (34:31.661)
Yeah.

Kelli (34:54.211)
for sure.

We Wine Whenever (34:54.302)
Most definitely that is probably going to be some of the stipulations in order to have the guardianship null and void.

Kelli (35:03.583)
it's one thing to not have access to it it's another thing to

We Wine Whenever (35:06.984)
to be out and about with it, absolutely.

Kelli (35:09.131)
Make a conscious choice to not drink.

We Wine Whenever (35:12.158)
Yeah. So now I also saw here. So actually the legal team that Wendy has now, I have here 121.25 update. She's.

We Wine Whenever (35:12.44)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (35:33.08)
Well, that was the day after Harvey did the interview. So Harvey did the interview on 1-20-25. As soon as this happened, he's the one who really got this ball rolling. And thank God, thank God for Harvey Levin.

We Wine Whenever (35:38.556)
Right. So.

We Wine Whenever (35:44.104)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (35:44.205)
Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

We Wine Whenever (35:46.588)
Yeah. So the next day, she officially retained a law form of Schwartz, Sladkis, Reich, Greenberg, Atlas to represent Denise Alex to petition the court to address all issues pertaining to Wendy Williams' guardianship.

now and they gave a 20k retainer, but that was given to the lawyer by a GoFundMe.

We Wine Whenever (36:24.398)
Because she couldn't get the money from the Guardian to attain, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (36:25.38)
Mm-hmm. Because she can't get her own money. yeah. So that was really cool that people, you know, pitched in for her to get the 20K in order.

We Wine Whenever (36:35.458)
Yeah.

Kelli (36:39.481)
Shit, I would've. I never saw it come across my Facebook.

We Wine Whenever (36:42.222)
I was actually surprised when I was listening to the Mark Garagos. I was like, why doesn't he just do this pro bono? Like, I mean, I think maybe, I don't know. But that's what I was thinking. He's doing a lot. He is doing a lot. But he's got a team. He's got a team. mean, he doesn't have to do what I'm... I think that might be him. And he's got a lot. He definitely is busy. He definitely is busy. I think he, is he do...

We Wine Whenever (36:48.669)
Yeah.

Kelli (36:52.757)
He seems a little busy though, isn't, is he the, yeah, he's doing a lot.

Yeah, he does have a team. Is he doing the Menendez Brothers?

Yeah, I think he's got a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (37:12.438)
Is he, no, he's not doing a Bell Donnie. That's somebody else.

We Wine Whenever (37:17.064)
for somebody.

Kelli (37:17.069)
No, he might be Baldoni too, isn't he?

We Wine Whenever (37:19.922)
somebody could have stepped up and.

We Wine Whenever (37:20.118)
No, no, it's not. No, somebody else, somebody, Brian, another famous lawyer is doing Valdoni. Maybe he might be.

We Wine Whenever (37:30.012)
Yeah. But somebody else could have stepped up and did pro bono.

Kelli (37:30.061)
Okay.

We Wine Whenever (37:33.482)
Yeah, I was surprised that nobody stepped up to do pro bono for this to be quite honest with you, or even Gloria Allred. Like, I mean, come on. Like she's that New York girl, you know what I'm saying?

Kelli (37:34.093)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kelli (37:39.063)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yep, yep.

We Wine Whenever (37:43.184)
Uh-huh. Yeah, so good for her. So we're going to keep our fingers crossed and hopefully, you know.

Kelli (37:48.906)
for sure.

We Wine Whenever (37:51.928)
So Harvey asked her what she wants if she wins and she said that she wants to stay in New York. She wants to date.

Kelli (38:03.033)
she wants to work.

We Wine Whenever (38:04.482)
She wants, yeah, she just, she didn't say she wants to work, but she wants to stay in New York. I mean, I'm sure she does. She certainly should. Listen, I will watch the Wendy Williams show. Let's bring it back.

Kelli (38:07.533)
I thought she said she wants to work.

Yeah, I thought she said it.

Kelli (38:15.807)
Absolutely, although Sherry Shepherd clearly took over her spot, her studio.

We Wine Whenever (38:16.124)
I used to love that show.

We Wine Whenever (38:20.076)
Yeah, but that's okay. Yeah, it's quite all right. We can, I mean, we can find space for Wendy Williams. I thought her apartment got sold. I don't know. It did, right? And all of her stuff is in storage, which is bullshit. Why would they sell her apartment?

We Wine Whenever (38:28.114)
Yes, it did. Yes, she did.

Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (38:37.826)
Like that's crazy. No, supposedly she had, what did she say? What was the number that she had? was like, it was like at least 10 million. I don't remember the exact number, but it was at least $10 million.

Kelli (38:38.275)
Funds might have been getting low the way they're spending down there in Miami.

We Wine Whenever (38:38.567)
I don't know.

We Wine Whenever (38:45.052)
It's a couple million dollars.

Kelli (38:52.49)
what it was.

We Wine Whenever (38:54.045)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (38:55.19)
Yeah, mean, listen, I want Wendy Williams to come back. As Mike the Situation says, the comeback is greater than the setback. Is that what he says? Yes, the comeback is greater than the setback. And Wendy Williams, we are here rooting for you. Hashtag free Wendy.

Kelli (39:06.434)
That is what he says.

We Wine Whenever (39:06.962)
Yep. And that is it. That is it.

We Wine Whenever (39:13.926)
Yes, we're here for hashtag save one. Yes, absolutely. Yeah. So we shall save.

Kelli (39:15.577)
free one day.

We Wine Whenever (39:17.174)
Yeah. So that's our update. Yeah, I'm happy that we were able to give this update. And I think the tides are turning and I can't wait to give the update that she's out of this and living her best life.

Kelli (39:28.185)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (39:33.8)
And I thought it was really interesting how through this whole thing, they were saying how she has now has a whole new fan base of a lot younger people who really didn't even know about her. And now that this has all come about, she has a lot of new fans, which I think is great.

Kelli (39:43.833)
Sure.

We Wine Whenever (39:54.126)
100%.

Kelli (39:54.189)
Well, it's probably the same people who are like, hashtag free Britney, much different situation because Tess was hashtag free Britney and I'm like, listen, I'm telling you.

We Wine Whenever (39:58.029)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (40:04.862)
Mm-mm. Girl needs help.

We Wine Whenever (40:06.616)
Mmm.

Kelli (40:08.663)
Yeah, something.

We Wine Whenever (40:11.186)
My girl needs help.

Kelli (40:12.631)
Yeah, but that's okay. I'm glad that Wendy has a new fan base because she deserves it. I hope, you know.

We Wine Whenever (40:19.314)
I'm just saying, thought it was interesting how through social media, there's now she has this whole new fan base of people who, you know, didn't even know about her before. So we shall see.

Kelli (40:23.224)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (40:32.504)
We'll wait and see. Yeah. So I guess until next time, please give us some five star reviews. Tell your friends. Anything else we want to tell them?

Kelli (40:32.632)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (40:43.317)
Nope, I think that's it. I think we're good.

We Wine Whenever (40:45.504)
Okay. Bye.

Kelli (40:45.529)
Good, bye.

We Wine Whenever (40:47.283)
Bye.