RHOSLC Reunion Part 2: Lies, Loyalty & Walk-Offs

 RHOSLC Reunion Part 2: Lies, Loyalty & Walk-Offs 

The second part of the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City reunion was filled with heated confrontations, unexpected alliances, and emotional moments. Todd addressed his comments about Bronwyn’s miscarriage, while Andy praised his support for their child, Gwen. Angie continued to accuse Meredith of spreading a gay rumor, but Meredith fired back, saying Angie had relentlessly targeted her. The control room ultimately confirmed Angie’s version of events, leading to a dramatic moment where Meredith threatened to leave unless the full clip was played.

The episode also tackled the fight between Justin and John at the Mob Wives party, with both men laughing about how exaggerated it felt in hindsight. A shocking rumor about Lisa and John’s alleged threesome surfaced, but John dismissed it, and Whitney apologized for mentioning it.

The most emotional segment involved Mary and her son, Robert Jr., as they discussed his struggles with addiction and his journey to rehab. The conversation deeply affected the group, with Whitney admitting that Robert’s story helped her children understand her estranged father’s absence. Mary’s openness and wisdom were praised, and her growing friendship with Angie surprised the cast.

The episode wrapped up with lighter moments, including Mary’s tampon theory discussion and updates on her church. Despite lingering tensions, the reunion showcased raw emotions, personal growth, and the complicated friendships that keep RHOSLC so compelling.

Takeaways

• Lisa's advice to Todd highlights the importance of accountability.
• Meredith's accusations against Angie reveal deeper tensions.
• The emotional affair discussion raises questions about trust in relationships.
• Social media backlash affects cast members' mental health.
• Different marriage dynamics are explored, emphasizing personal choices.
• Friendships can shift dramatically in reality TV settings.
• The reunion showcases the emotional struggles of the cast.
• Honesty in relationships is crucial, as seen in Todd and Bronwyn's discussion.
• The importance of open communication in family dynamics is emphasized.
• Personal growth is a recurring theme throughout the reunion. The conversation aims to help at least one person.
• Worrying about loved ones is a lifelong concern for parents.
• The desire for change is crucial in the recovery process.
• Parents should not blame themselves for their children's struggles.
• Mary's wisdom provides comfort and support to others.
• Open conversations about addiction are essential for healing.
• Friendship can play a significant role in recovery.
• Mary's church is still active and undergoing renovations.
• Understanding the dynamics of friendship is important in recovery.
• Sharing stories can have a profound impact on others.

Transcript

We Wine Whenever (00:00.824)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy. We are talking about Real Housewives of Salt Lake City reunion part two.

Kelli (00:03.397)
I'm Kelly.

We Wine Whenever (00:12.654)
We start off with Todd telling Lisa that asserting that Braunwyn had a miscarriage, Lisa says she understands where it would be hurtful and offensive, but you have to realize when you say things on camera, they live on camera and they can be repeated.

Kelli (00:34.884)
Yeah, Lisa, take your own advice.

We Wine Whenever (00:36.531)
Right, exactly. Exactly. I know.

Kelli (00:39.312)
Why is she telling him that? Todd didn't say anything on camera that he's, you know, not happy about.

We Wine Whenever (00:45.353)
Right. Andy thought it was admirable the way Todd was really sticking up for Gwen. A viewer asks Angie, why are you holding Meredith accountable for the gay rumor when all she said was there was rumors? You never held Whitney accountable for getting Monica to spill the rumors on camera.

Kelli (00:53.189)
I agree.

We Wine Whenever (01:09.139)
Angie said, I know they're off camera conversations about me. I'll never be able to prove it. Meredith said, you spent two years accusing me of something that I didn't do and relentlessly accusing me of doing it. You've actually, I know she's like, you've actually done those things to me in retaliation. You've talked about my marriage. You've talked about my home. You've talked about my business. Sean said, you did. You were on camera saying how Monica could take her home.

Kelli (01:20.956)
She did.

Kelli (01:37.99)
Right, right.

We Wine Whenever (01:38.325)
And she did. Andy asked, how has she spoken so negatively about your home? Meredith says, well, she says all the time that she's in a rental or an Airbnb. And he said, well, so what if it's a rental? What's negative? Meredith said, well, it's clearly meant to be nasty and shady. No, it's just the facts, actually. Right. Right. Exactly.

Kelli (01:59.576)
It is what it is, Meredith. If you don't like it, then buy a fucking house in Salt Lake City. I mean, it is what it is. You rent. You don't live there all year long. We know this. And you have an open marriage, and your husband does have a side piece in Ohio. Just for the love of God, just say it.

We Wine Whenever (02:15.542)
We didn't get there yet.

Kelli (02:17.56)
Ugh.

We Wine Whenever (02:18.893)
I don't actually even know if we're gonna get there. You know, the way they edited this, I thought in the coming attractions, before we saw it, that she was getting up and saying she was leaving about the Ohio thing, but that's not what it was about.

Kelli (02:31.14)
It's not what it was about. It was about this, because she gets up to walk away. Did you see Todd's face when she gets up to walk away? He's like, god, here we go.

We Wine Whenever (02:37.932)
A viewer asked Meredith, why did you expect an apology from Sean when you leveraged Brooks' sexuality so you wouldn't receive further scrutiny for the false allegations that you made? And Meredith says, well, I didn't make the allegations. And then they play the clip and the podcaster asks, after saying, he's the one who asked Sean after saying, yeah, it was David Yontiff.

Kelli (03:03.878)
David Yanta.

We Wine Whenever (03:07.564)
Meredith, I am on the board of GLAAD. I would never out someone's sexuality. My son is gay. Is that another roundabout defense? She's using that as saying, why would I be blamed about outing someone's sexuality? Not that there's even a sexuality to even out. That is what Sean was responding to when he said she was using it for leverage. So it was a leading question. wasn't,

Kelli (03:35.056)
Yeah, Sean didn't say the words. He just responded to it. Again, semantics, but if it were Meredith on the other side, Meredith would use these semantics just like she's using semantics with, didn't say the rumor or I didn't say that Sean did this. I just said there was a rumor that, you brought it to light. You put it on national television.

We Wine Whenever (03:38.487)
right.

Right.

We Wine Whenever (03:59.444)
Right, right. And Andy says, that sounds like, this what we're fighting over? And Angie says, yes. And Meredith shakes her head, yes. And Andy's like, well, this sounds like a huge waste of time. And then Meredith got all bent out of shape. Well, maybe you think it's a huge waste of time. Andy says, no, this interview, it sounds like that guy led him into a thing. Andy asked Shawn, do you think she started the rumor? Shawn said, well, this was in the middle of it and I would never disrespect your son. Shawn said, during that time,

You could have seen how I would have thought that maybe that was a backpedal. Sean said, at that time, I didn't know you well enough to know whether or not you were being honest with me, which is true. And now all the ladies are arguing that Monica is the one who said it. Monica is the one who brought it on camera. It was said at the pre-ski day. It was also said at Greek Easter. I know, right?

Kelli (04:51.58)
Good for Monica still being brought up. A year later.

We Wine Whenever (04:56.887)
one, and then it's like one side of the couch is arguing on Meredith's side. The other side of the couches are arguing the other way.

Kelli (05:06.01)
At this point, I just want Meredith to leave. I just want her to leave.

We Wine Whenever (05:08.435)
I do too, and I know. And then Andy says, well, the control room is saying that Angie's right. And I'm like, thank goodness. Angie is correct. And Angie said, thank you, justice for Angie and Sean. Meredith said, it's never going to end unless you play it. Actually, I think I'm finished. I'm leaving unless you play the audio.

Kelli (05:16.986)
Yes, yes.

We Wine Whenever (05:33.907)
At a pre-ski when Monica said Meredith didn't say it, I did, unless I hear it. I was told it would be played at the reunion, I'm finished. I'm like, are you kidding me? This is what you're, and everyone is like, Meredith, just sit down. They're all trying to tell her, just sit down. So then Meredith sits down.

Kelli (05:43.162)
Yeah, like... Just let her walk away.

Kelli (05:50.884)
And I will give him this credit though, Seth, when he saw her get up, he got up. He did. He got right up.

We Wine Whenever (05:56.869)
yes he did. Yeah. Yeah. So she finally sits down and this was actually after they played it. They did play it and...

And Andy's is, listen, they play the footage and both was said, Andy's telling Meredith that he agrees with her. Then Meredith sits down. So both things were said, whatever. He's like, I'm moving on. Thank God. Right, right, right.

Kelli (06:26.298)
Yeah, like at this point, I'm so bored. I don't care. Who cares?

We Wine Whenever (06:32.395)
Then the next question was, the night of the Mob Wives party, the fight between Justin and John escalated pretty quickly. When you watched it back, did it play the way you remember it? John said that he was embarrassed about my second reaction and I apologized to Justin and I apologize again. It wasn't, you know, I didn't want to start a fight. It was to defuse the situation. They were both kind of laughing when they watch it back. It was worse in their heads than when they saw it, which...

Kelli (06:58.427)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (07:02.007)
I can imagine, you know?

Kelli (07:03.152)
Yeah, and they seem like they're in a good place, which is good.

We Wine Whenever (07:06.11)
Well, they're because they're men and this is stupid shit, right? A viewer said, Whitney revealed that John and Lisa allegedly participated in a threesome. Have you ever heard that rumor before? John said he never heard that rumor. Well, Lisa associated John's name with circle jerk in Mexico. Yes, Shawn's name, Shawn's name. Lisa said, yes, I did. Shawn said, I'm never going to get away from this. I feel like he's never going to get away from this.

Kelli (07:08.806)
Exactly. Yep.

Kelli (07:26.3)
Sean, Sean's name.

Kelli (07:34.638)
I know, I feel bad for him.

We Wine Whenever (07:36.68)
I do too. Whitney apologizes for bringing John into that. Whitney said, I wanted to burn that with you because I wanted to apologize. I don't want to say anything about your marriage. I appreciate that. And John said he's cool.

Kelli (07:50.14)
Did Wendy ever say who she was texting?

We Wine Whenever (07:55.146)
She said that she text Angie when she gave her the phone, she said, text Angie this after she...

Kelli (08:04.144)
I'm just wondering, because I mean, I don't think she'd have to worry about Angie, but I'm just wondering if she thought that somebody else was gonna bring this text to light and she was trying to get in front of it. You know what I mean?

We Wine Whenever (08:17.31)
Well, I mean, her reason for putting that as her worst text is she wanted to burn her talking about Lisa's marriage. She wanted to burn that.

that conversation. She wanted to move forward. That's why she brought it up. I don't think it was that she wanted to get in front of it.

Kelli (08:29.444)
Yeah, right.

We Wine Whenever (08:41.136)
Angie said, think it was very reckless what was said about Sean. We were just getting over the rumors from last year. It doesn't matter about sexuality. A lecture was told on her horse group. Is your dad gay? Angie says, our children are our most cherished things that we all have. When you bring this up, it's reckless.

We Wine Whenever (09:04.092)
Sorry. You're gonna have to take, I got a drink.

Kelli (09:05.146)
Okay.

Yeah, well, and she's right. I mean, for her poor daughter to have to endure that is pretty messed up. So, you know.

We Wine Whenever (09:13.733)
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We Wine Whenever (09:18.344)
Cough

I totally agree.

Kelli (09:22.714)
Yeah. Yeah. Do we move on to, I have, is Heather being so aggressive with Bronwyn about the emotional affair?

We Wine Whenever (09:33.737)
Next thing I have as a viewer said Brahman watching Todd reprimand you When you were in the pool sounded more like a parent talking to a child than a husband talking to his wife

Kelli (09:46.192)
think they just have that kind of relationship. They're not the only people I know who have that kind of relationship. I don't think it has anything to do with age. I think that Todd is a very...

What's the word I'm looking for?

Damn it anyway. He's very alpha, but he's a very accomplished. He's a very accomplished man. And he clearly, she clearly respects him very much. And they do have that kind of relationship where she does want his approval. And that's okay. That's okay. And I think that they just have that kind of marriage where...

We Wine Whenever (10:03.759)
Alpha. He's very alpha. mean, he's

Yes.

We Wine Whenever (10:13.606)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (10:21.065)
Hold on, I'm gonna have to... have water. I'm gonna have to edit it out.

Kelli (10:26.918)
You want to go get water?

We Wine Whenever (10:36.988)
like a tickle.

Kelli (10:38.278)
hate that. That happens to me in the middle of the night. Wakes me up in the Yeah, I have to have water next to my bed, because I feel like I'm choking.

We Wine Whenever (10:41.329)
It does.

We Wine Whenever (10:50.024)
you

You

Kelli (10:56.668)
Take your time.

We Wine Whenever (10:58.024)
You know what, let me just grab a tissue.

We Wine Whenever (11:05.191)
Ahem.

We Wine Whenever (11:09.575)
god, I hope not too. I'm gonna take airborne when I'm done with this.

Kelli (11:09.584)
hope you're not getting sick.

Kelli (11:15.162)
Yeah, I'm worried about Lori. I really hope she's not getting sick, but starting this job.

We Wine Whenever (11:21.097)
I mean, if she is, you know, they'll have to understand. mean, it's six season. This is the time of year everyone is sick, you know?

Kelli (11:23.228)
Mm-hmm, yes, I will.

Yep. Everyone, yep.

We Wine Whenever (11:34.17)
Okay, I'm better.

Kelli (11:37.926)
Yeah, so I just feel like they have that kind of relationship and I don't think that there's anything wrong with that. Like I just feel like people are coming so hard on social media at it. Like she wants his approval. That's their relationship and that's okay. And I don't think it's a father daughter thing. Like I think that that's just the way he speaks.

We Wine Whenever (11:51.974)
I agree.

We Wine Whenever (11:58.204)
Yeah, Heather, what was your initial reaction after watching that? Do you see similarities between Todd and your ex-husband? And Heather said, I do. I was married for a long time and in that kind of relationship, I just wanted to make work no matter what because I wanted to be married. Heather said to Todd, when you spoke to me, you were very positive. And she's referring to at Mary's house, right?

It was someplace where they were all at dinner together. I don't know where it was. it was unseen footage that they play where Heather... Yeah, he tells Heather that she's a beautiful woman, because she's talking about how she's like kind of insecure about being alone, that she's a beautiful woman. She's very intelligent.

Kelli (12:34.601)
I must have missed-

Kelli (12:44.828)
Maybe it's not nerd, it's but mitzvah.

We Wine Whenever (12:48.145)
yes, that's where it was. That's actually, yeah. Yes, that's where it was. It was at the Vamitsava. And that she said, spoke to me and you were very positive and I thought you were amazing. And then they show a scene that's that scene. Heather said, I didn't see that same energy towards your wife. And it reminded me of how it was when I was married. And Bronwyn, she's acknowledging it. She's like, well, it kind of triggered you.

Kelli (12:50.07)
Let's just try to think when they were all together.

We Wine Whenever (13:16.901)
And then Angie said, yeah, we're neighbors and we go out and we see Todd all the time and they have a great relationship. We actually go to the same gym and then they show a selfie of Angie and Todd together at the gym. Cause Bronwyn says, he sends, they send us selfies all the time. think that's great. I think that's great. I think that's great. That's the stuff I wanna say.

Kelli (13:31.482)
Yeah.

Kelli (13:35.258)
Yeah. I do too.

Kelli (13:41.172)
Absolutely. And like I said, like that's just their marriage. you can't, listen, unless there's some kind of abuse going on, clearly cheating, stuff like that, you don't judge somebody's marriage. What's good for you might not be good for me. What's good for me isn't good for this one. It is what it is.

We Wine Whenever (13:55.351)
Right. Exactly. Exactly. And then the next question is, Justin, why did you not feel the need to stand up for your wife when Seth called her a biatch?

Kelli (14:09.628)
I really like Justin's answer.

We Wine Whenever (14:12.495)
Yeah, Justin said he had just committed to himself that he was not going to be a part of the drama. He had actually done a morning meditation. He didn't realize how aggressive it was until he saw it and then he regretted it. And Seth said it was aggressive. He also said we started day drinking at 7 a.m. and he apologized.

Kelli (14:17.35)
Hmm?

Mm-hmm.

Kelli (14:34.524)
Yeah.

Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (14:37.892)
I don't really think his apology was all that great because then Whitney's like, well, are you apologizing to me? Because he was still kind of making excuses.

Kelli (14:44.796)
I think he was just trying to be funny. It did definitely come off as aggressive, but I do think he was just trying to have a moment on camera. Isn't it interesting that Bronwyn and Angie both came on this show as Lisa's friends and neither one of them are in a good place with her? Isn't that interesting?

We Wine Whenever (14:53.37)
Yeah, and.

We Wine Whenever (15:01.54)
Yeah, it is interesting. But it goes back to the fact that one, Lisa is the queen bee. She's the reason that that show exists in Salt Lake City. And she's the one who connects them all together, which is why she's

Kelli (15:16.624)
Did they start the show because of her? Like is she the Vicky of Salt Lake City?

We Wine Whenever (15:20.709)
I don't want to say they started it because of her, but she was like the driving force.

Kelli (15:27.58)
Yeah, because she has the connections with the Sundance Film Festival, like all that stuff. I would believe it. don't, listen, you know how I feel because, and it goes back to Jersey, I don't like that Teresa thinks that the show revolves around her. This is an ensemble cast. I think everybody contributes. I'm not saying that. I'm just wondering if the show was brought to light because of Lisa Barlow's connections, like Vicki Gunvalson's neighbor wanted to do a show and approached her.

We Wine Whenever (15:33.451)
And yes, yes.

We Wine Whenever (15:55.542)
I think so, yes, yes. Andy asked Todd what he thought about Bronwyn sharing with the ladies about his emotional affair. Todd said he didn't watch it. And then Bronwyn kind of started answering and Bronwyn said, you know, we talked about it. And then Todd said, you know, anything she would have shared would have been more than he wanted her to share, which we knew that.

Kelli (16:20.644)
Of course. Of course.

We Wine Whenever (16:23.31)
And then Seth asks the question, it was only emotional? And Bronwyn said yes. Then she said, I wouldn't even say it was an emotional affair. There are a lot of people that Todd has conversations with. He goes a little bit further in a conversation than I would have. And then Heather says to Bronwyn, come on, when we were on the boat, you said that he had been disloyal, you caught him in an affair. And then they cut to the clip where she said that. She said,

He said it's a fatal flaw like in business. He's never satisfied with the deal. He just keeps pushing for the next and the next. And it's hard to turn that off when you get home.

Kelli (17:01.872)
I didn't really understand where she was going with that personally. And I like Brahman, but I didn't really follow that very well.

We Wine Whenever (17:04.951)
We Wine Whenever (17:09.381)
Listen, she said that in the heat of the moment. And I think really what she was saying is that

It wasn't an affair. it was, he was a little bit, I don't want to say flirty, but forward, right? He was a little bit forward with a conversation. And, right. But when it was brought to him, you know, he apologized and said he wasn't going to do it again, right? And then,

Kelli (17:26.82)
Right, right.

Right, and nobody wants that in their marriage.

Kelli (17:41.926)
Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (17:47.013)
Bronwyn says, I told Todd and we talked through it and then the ring with the five new diamonds and the five promises. So then Andy, and I wanted to know this too, like what are the five promises? It's support, love, fidelity, transparency and taking care of Gwen.

Kelli (17:58.117)
Of course.

Kelli (18:07.878)
Beautiful. So fidelity and there was another one, transparency, those both indicate that he stepped over a line, that she felt he stepped over a line and he acknowledged that he stepped over a line. So I don't think she was lying. I don't think someone could say she was lying. Maybe she was just expressing how she felt about it, but it did happen. It happened.

We Wine Whenever (18:08.676)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (18:14.03)
Transparency, transparency, right.

Right.

We Wine Whenever (18:35.725)
Right, right. And I thought it happened. I felt like when she was telling the story, it was genuine. wasn't like a made up story that she was just telling, but I felt like the way Heather was going for her, what? Yeah, it was not called for. It wasn't called for the way Heather was going for her.

Kelli (18:41.104)
Yeah.

Kelli (18:49.36)
Totally aggressive.

totally aggressive.

I think that Heather likes that Lisa and Brahman are not close. I think it all goes back to Heather just wanting to be with the cool girls and she's on that couch with Meredith and Lisa and she is sitting so high on her pedestal.

We Wine Whenever (19:13.474)
Yeah. I mean, then the next thing is Andy said, Todd, Bronwyn revealed that it was Gwen that discovered you were messaging another woman. That had to be very difficult. Bronwyn said, embarrassing. And Todd said, all of this is difficult. And then you see Todd looks really emotional and Bronwyn whispers to him, you're okay, you're okay. Like I felt bad for him at that. I really did. I did.

Kelli (19:35.066)
I did too. Well, especially after all of the hate he's getting on social media. Like, I just feel like they're coming way too hard at him. Like, you can't watch these shows without acknowledging that everyone's marriage is different and you're gonna see different relationships on these TVs. Nobody's hurting anybody. Like, you know, I just think people are coming too hard for him.

We Wine Whenever (19:55.702)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (20:01.452)
I do too. I do too.

Kelli (20:02.454)
He's also on a show with John Barlow who kisses his wife's ass and like watch your tone. Shut the fuck up, John. He didn't say anything out of line.

We Wine Whenever (20:13.653)
No, he didn't. No, he didn't.

Kelli (20:15.642)
So, you know, of course, compared to John Barlow, he's gonna look aggressive.

We Wine Whenever (20:21.933)
Then Angie said that she had learned more about Bronwyn's marriage than she did about Lisa's entire life when they were on that boat. yeah, Lisa only opens up about safe topics and not what's really going on. Angie said, that's not what I was trying to get at. What I was saying is that Bronwyn really didn't know any of us and she really divulged a lot of information. She put a lot out there. Mary said, well, that's why everyone loves her. She's a fan favorite.

Kelli (20:31.312)
Us too.

We Wine Whenever (20:51.179)
I thought that was really nice of Mary.

Kelli (20:53.222)
That was nice of Mary.

We Wine Whenever (20:56.77)
A viewer asked, Meredith, why do you think it's okay to judge Bronwyn's marriage when your husband has been open about his desire to motorboat Whitney? I was like, so she said, Seth can speak to that. I think it was a joke. Heather said, everyone wants to motorboat Whitney. And Whitney said, well, he got to do that with the cake when they had the cake, right? Yeah.

Kelli (21:06.551)
I don't remember that.

Kelli (21:21.211)
he did do that with the cake. I was thinking there was a cake involved.

We Wine Whenever (21:26.275)
Lisa, what was your reaction to seeing Todd call your tequila mediocre? Lisa said, I gotta get you through a tequila training course. Todd said, okay, I look forward to it and asked Todd if he's willing to give her tequila another chance and he said, absolutely. So that's good. What is the status of Seth and Meredith's relationship? We saw that you're in Ohio a lot. Are you living separate lives?

Kelli (21:44.164)
Yeah, that was good.

We Wine Whenever (21:53.322)
Meredith said Seth and I are monogamous. said that he sees Meredith on the weekends and it's helpful that he doesn't have to see her every day. He was joking about that in a way. Yeah, Todd jumped in and said, like people have accused him and Braun one of the same thing saying that they live in different states, but they do what works for them. And Todd, he totally understands the situation and he agrees with what Seth said. Again, I thought that was very.

Kelli (22:02.138)
Listen, I'm here for it. I'm here for a weekend marriage.

Kelli (22:18.852)
I like that Todd came to their defense in that. I really did.

We Wine Whenever (22:23.03)
I do too. I do too.

Kelli (22:24.988)
He just seems like a very honest man, very straight to the point. People might not like the way that, like we're from Jersey, we get it. But I liked that he defended them in that situation. I do think that Seth and Meredith have an open marriage and they're completely being not honest about it, whatever. Whatever works for them.

We Wine Whenever (22:32.759)
Yeah.

Ahem.

We Wine Whenever (22:47.272)
Andy said a lot of questions on Twitter wanting to know if you have a side chick in Ohio. Seth said no. He said he has two side chicks and he held up his hands. That's his only side chick.

Kelli (22:57.542)
Yeah.

No.

We Wine Whenever (23:02.018)
The next is tough. The next they start, they show the clip of Mary and her son Robert Jr. And Andy says, the amount of tweets we got when you shared your story was immeasurable. Mary said she felt the love and support. Andy asked, what did it mean to you? Well, she said, well, it meant that my mission was accomplished. And he said, well, what was your mission? And she said, well, Robert and I came together.

Kelli (23:10.224)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (23:30.857)
And I told him I was gonna talk to him. I wanted him to openly tell me what his struggles were, what was going on, because I knew he was absent. She's like, you know, we came together and the cameras went up. I didn't know what he was gonna say. I didn't know what was gonna come out. I had nothing planned.

Kelli (23:49.212)
Thank God he was.

on board with being on camera and talking about it. Cause a lot of people, like think Jill Zarin's daughter came out and said he might regret that, but it wasn't sprung on him. It was a conversation they had and he had agreed to it. So, I mean, she may be right. He may in the future, but he at least agreed to it.

We Wine Whenever (23:59.37)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (24:09.256)
Right. Yes.

We Wine Whenever (24:17.569)
But I mean, the conversation was if we can help just one person. So that was the reason that he agreed to do it. And listen, they helped many, many, many people. They helped many people.

Kelli (24:22.512)
Yeah.

Kelli (24:35.142)
Yeah.

Kelli (24:38.684)
They're very brave. Both of them were very, very brave. And of course, Mary says she's gonna be worried. You're gonna worry for the rest of your life every day for the rest of your life. Listen, I lost two nephews to drug overdoses. I worry about my own kids because of that. If you've experienced it in any capacity, you're gonna worry for the rest of your life every day that it's gonna happen to somebody. But especially, certainly her, being her son and going through this journey with him.

We Wine Whenever (24:54.699)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (25:03.617)
100%.

Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (25:10.273)
Andy asked, what part of that conversation surprised you the most? He had ideations of suicide, very serious opiates, drugs. was taking, Mary said, all of it. Like all of it. I didn't expect him to say all that. I didn't know what he was doing. And the fact that I was unaware, it scared me. Like he lives in my house. We're so close. Like I get that, you know? And how can you know? Cause he's isolating himself. You can't know. No, she...

Kelli (25:21.446)
Of course.

Kelli (25:34.938)
Yeah. You cannot know and you cannot beat yourself up for not knowing.

We Wine Whenever (25:41.352)
No.

Then Andy said, talk to me about taking him to rehab. How long was he in rehab? But then he asked the question, but he says, guess the most important thing is he did actively want to go to rehab. Mary said the fact that he wanted to go, like he was asking for help. When he opened up to me, that was his cry for help. He wanted to go. He wanted to change things. So then Andy asked again, well, how long did he go? And she said, 30 days.

Kelli (25:55.376)
He went.

Kelli (26:05.2)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (26:13.409)
And he said, well, what's it been like? She's like, listen, I still worry, you know, things need to change. I think his friends need to change. And she's like, well, has he done that? And she's like, well, yeah, yeah, some, you know, it's hard to know, right? It's hard to know. She can't be with him. Yeah. And Andy asked if he has emotional support for many sober people. And she's like, yeah, he goes to the, you know, the AA and his friends and you know, that he met there.

Kelli (26:30.757)
I tell you.

Kelli (26:42.042)
He has a sponsor, right? Did she say that?

We Wine Whenever (26:44.544)
She didn't say that, but I'm sure he probably does. You know, that's how the program works. Then Andy says, you know, for me hearing him say that he felt like a stain as a mom, that must have been, and of course that was heartbreaking. sometimes when Andy says these things, I'm like, do you really have to go there?

Kelli (27:05.818)
No, I totally agree with you. I mean, to hear it once out of your child's mouth is hard enough for him. And I know it's a reunion, but she's being very honest and open and telling you everything. Why do you gotta say that?

We Wine Whenever (27:17.522)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (27:20.978)
I know. really, I mean, it was heart wrenching. I really, honestly, I thought it was wrong. I don't think he should have said it. I don't think he should have said it. Mary's crying. She's like, you don't want to hear your child say that. You know, he's everything. Everyone is crying now. Except for, I don't know if you saw Meredith's face. Meredith did not shed one tear.

Kelli (27:22.172)
Let's make a different chain.

Kelli (27:28.636)
I don't either, I agree with you.

Kelli (27:42.96)
No. Really? Because everyone else was crying.

We Wine Whenever (27:48.124)
Everyone else was crying. Meredith did not shed one tear. She's the only one who didn't cry.

Kelli (27:52.634)
which is interesting because she kind of went through something similar with her nephew, which comes out.

We Wine Whenever (27:58.184)
Yeah. Mary said everything he was telling me were his true feelings when he said that I wanted to take everything. I wanted to take everything in me to convince him otherwise, like he's beautiful, he's smart, he's intelligent, he's worthy. I want him to believe that. And she's like, we as humans, like we're our worst critics. Then another thing.

Kelli (28:22.96)
I thought what she said about Robert Senior, what he said to her was so beautiful.

We Wine Whenever (28:28.721)
Absolutely. Absolutely.

Kelli (28:31.526)
that he said, what did he say? You're a beautiful mom.

We Wine Whenever (28:38.089)
Yeah, Robert's so lucky to have such a great mother. You saved his life.

We Wine Whenever (28:47.175)
Mary said, he commended me, he said he loves me and I was a beautiful mom. He told me he was proud of me. Andy said, does he say that often? Mary said, no, but he doesn't say it if he doesn't mean it. So if he said it, he meant it. But then again, Andy does these stupid things. Like he asks her, you must feel guilty about this.

Kelli (28:57.564)
Yeah.

Right. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (29:12.316)
Yeah, like what the fuck are you saying, Andy? Like she should be in therapy to make sure she doesn't feel guilty about this because it's nobody's fault. People suffer from addiction because it's an illness and it's nobody's fault. And parents harbor this guilt because they don't know how to handle these situations no matter what you do. And I've seen people do.

We Wine Whenever (29:38.824)
Yep.

Kelli (29:40.6)
Everything imaginable to try to fix it you can't they have to want to fix it for themselves So for a parent to harbor guilt is the worst thing in the world and he like why would you ask that question? Because he's never because he's never been through it. That's why

We Wine Whenever (29:52.67)
Yeah, his exact words. Well, his exact question were, well, Andy said you were also beating yourself up. You felt like you had missed this as a mom. Mary said, of course you do as a mom. When you have a relationship with your son, you want to give him the world. You want him to have a better life than you did. Then we find out I moved to New York for eight years so that he could have the best education and have a diverse atmosphere. I didn't want him I know, I didn't want him to be raised like me.

Kelli (30:17.564)
That's amazing.

We Wine Whenever (30:22.503)
I was the only one in my class that was African-American. They would play slave movies and the whole class would turn around and look at me. my gosh, like heartbreaking. I do blame myself. I feel like somewhere I missed the mark. Mary said, everyone has their own journey. Everyone has their own testimony. Everyone has their own story. And I feel like that one is for him. And again,

Kelli (30:22.736)
Yeah.

Kelli (30:32.732)
That's terrible.

We Wine Whenever (30:52.35)
marry what she did and what her son did. It's amazing. It's amazing.

Kelli (30:57.894)
Who does not love Mary? so the Watch What Crappens guys on Watch What Happens Live, Andy asked them who the MVP of Salt Lake City was and they said Lisa Barlow. I mean, Mary is clearly the MVP of this season. Stop it right now. my goodness.

We Wine Whenever (31:15.55)
100%.

and she said married a great job the way she found the right words in the moment i a hundred percent agree bromance said you're a great example

Kelli (31:24.956)
Totally. 100%.

Kelli (31:30.022)
Yeah, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (31:33.272)
Then, let's see, I know Whitney said some- okay wait.

Kelli (31:36.284)
Poor Whitney, forgot. She doesn't talk to her father since season one. She brought up her father.

We Wine Whenever (31:39.912)
Yeah.

What, who said this? Let's see, okay, what an incredible testament to you that he felt so close to open up to you. I don't know who said that.

Kelli (31:52.122)
I think Heather said something.

We Wine Whenever (31:54.877)
Oh yeah, maybe that was Heather. That was.

Kelli (31:56.156)
It could be Heather, yeah, it could be.

We Wine Whenever (32:00.015)
And what an incredible testament to him that he was able to speak about it so, no, Andy said this, actually, this was Andy, that he was able to speak about it so eloquently, even though he appeared to be compromised, explaining that he felt like unseasoned chicken and that the drugs made him feel seasoned.

Kelli (32:07.674)
Yes.

Kelli (32:18.044)
What a smart analogy though.

We Wine Whenever (32:21.191)
That's what everyone said. It was.

Kelli (32:24.624)
Finally an analogy on a housewives show that people can understand and made complete sense complete sense

We Wine Whenever (32:27.836)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (32:33.655)
then he asked Angie, what did it mean to you that Mary opened up to you during this whole process? And Angie said, I felt honored. She shared this with me. And he asked if, again, another, if you connect with Mary because of the situation with your mom and her addiction again, now Angie says, listen, my situation was different because Robert wanted to get help and I was too.

Kelli (32:54.382)
I know, I mean, I-

We Wine Whenever (33:02.14)
I was too little. I used to think if I was old enough, like maybe I could have been a part of helping my mom. And then Mary said to her something that she's been waiting to hear for 43 years. I know if your mom could do it all over again, she would do it different.

Kelli (33:18.332)
That's why it's an illness people. Like, you know, it's not a switch you can turn on and off. People don't wake up every morning wanting to be an addict. They don't.

We Wine Whenever (33:21.019)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (33:26.32)
And when she said that, right.

No, they don't. They don't. I happened to see a clip today of a bro show or bra bros or whatever we're calling them. I didn't hear the whole episode, but Steele was talking about this exact, this exact part and he was in tears. And he said, this is exactly, know, thank God. He goes, I had cirrhosis at 27 years old. imagine, imagine if my daughter didn't get to know me.

you know, my family, like this is, this is, you know, I would have done things different. And the fact that Mary said that to Angie, like that's what Angie needed. And Angie's right. Mary does know the right words to say. And you know what? She is a minister. She is a minister. And you know what? This is a gift from God. Being able to know what to say and how to respond. Like that's a gift.

Kelli (34:07.612)
Yeah.

Kelli (34:16.816)
Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Kelli (34:29.134)
Absolutely. Absolutely.

We Wine Whenever (34:31.92)
That's a gift. That is a gift. Mary's a very wise leader, she said.

Whitney is very emotional and she's trying, she's trying not to make eye contacts with Mary because she's, she's just, and she's just really crying. Whitney tells us that she hasn't had contact with her dad since season one and she watched that with her children and now they're able to understand why they don't have a relationship with their grandfather. Like it's hard to explain to kids and then for them to listen to Robert Jr. and hear it from him, you know.

And Mary said, thank you. Whitney is so grateful that Robert Jr. and his family were brave enough to share this. And then Andy asks if anyone in the group was surprised how close Mary and Angie became. And it's kind of silent. Angie and Mary are both, come on, be honest. And then Heather said, well, it was shocking that

Mary's engagement and openness, you know, like she'd never seen that before. Cause Mary really wasn't, she wasn't, you know, and she's grateful to know Mary, that those two have had their ups and downs and she always looked at Mary as like a cloud, the sunlight would break through. And that, in that conversation,

Kelli (36:00.496)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (36:08.505)
with robert she considered

Let's see. you can. she's also said that when she watched that conversation, she felt like the sun was, you know, breaking through the clouds. But she also said that Mary had counseled her being Heather spiritually in the past, which she had because Heather, you know, she lost her church when she, you know, so she needed, she did need someone like they they've had great heart to hearts. And she was.

Kelli (36:29.242)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (36:34.852)
Yeah, but Mary said Mary felt like having Angie as a friend helped her clock in which I thought was really nice for her to say

We Wine Whenever (36:42.295)
Absolutely. Yeah, because she felt very close to her. Andy asks what the update on the church is. If she's still preaching and are the renovations complete and the renovations are finally done, they show us a quick picture of it. It's beautiful. She said she's had a few services there, but I guess they're getting back to it slowly.

Kelli (36:46.373)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (37:08.542)
I'm happy to hear all this because I really thought, you know, Heather McDonald said that the church was closed, the church didn't exist, you know, but I guess the church does exist. I guess it was closed because they were renovating it.

Kelli (37:15.162)
Yeah, she did.

Kelli (37:21.798)
Yeah, maybe they were doing online. you know, we know, like we did church virtually through COVID. So maybe they were continuing it that way.

We Wine Whenever (37:29.762)
Right, right. So I was glad to see that Mary still has her church.

Kelli (37:36.634)
Yeah, of course. But then Andy gets shady again about Mary and Meredith's friendship.

We Wine Whenever (37:43.417)
Yeah.

Kelli (37:44.144)
But I thought Mary explained it very eloquently.

We Wine Whenever (37:47.086)
She did. She did. Andy asked Mary this season, seems light and engaged. What changed? Mary said, I don't know. I guess I felt like, you know, I found a real friend. And then he said, Meredith, you and Meredith had a friendship. Did you not feel support from her? And you could see Meredith looks pissed. Right? Mary said, Meredith and my friendship is very different. Meredith is a beautiful friendship. She travels all over the world. You know, I felt the support.

But it's just different. Meredith said, I wish I could have been there for you.

Kelli (38:22.972)
But then they, I mean, listen, I'm not a huge Meredith fan, but they show the text, like she was very sweet in her text. You know, please reach out to me if you need it. You know, here's my nephew's information. Like that's what a friend does.

We Wine Whenever (38:28.921)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (38:39.051)
Right, right. And Meredith doesn't think that there was a breakdown in the relationship.

Kelli (38:46.96)
Well, Meredith is not really, yeah, she's not clocking into reality, but.

We Wine Whenever (38:48.739)
Delusional.

We Wine Whenever (38:52.993)
Yeah. And a viewer asked Mary if she could explain how the tampon stops you from peeing.

Kelli (38:59.366)
Yeah

We Wine Whenever (39:01.975)
Mary says it works. You can only leave it in for six hours though. Angie said, yep, she tried it. And Heather tried it too. Yes. Andy said he Googled it and yes, says it works. I'm not trying it. No, no, no, no, no.

Kelli (39:08.668)
They did! Oh, I didn't catch that, okay.

Kelli (39:17.997)
I'm not trying it. I don't use those things. Fuck all that toxic shock syndrome. Hell no.

We Wine Whenever (39:27.161)
I'll be honest with you, that's all I have. I don't have any other notes. I do know that something did happen after that. I just stopped taking notes.

Kelli (39:34.064)
Well, Mary said to Angie, you need to work it out with Meredith because I love her. That was very sweet. That's the last note I have.

We Wine Whenever (39:38.787)
That's that is true. Yes. Yes, that is that that did happen. That did happen.

Kelli (39:44.986)
Yeah. I mean, listen, it was a good reunion. It's a, we have what, one more? One more episode?

We Wine Whenever (39:52.218)
I guess we do. I guess we do.

Kelli (39:55.322)
Yeah, I mean, I want resolve. You we always say this, we wanna see them get along. We don't like the mess. So we kind of, I mean, I don't think we got resolved with Brahman and Lisa. We'll see what happens next week. But I'm glad that they gave Mary a good chunk of time because that's important. Like that's what we need to, you know, that can't be the whole show clearly, but.

We Wine Whenever (40:15.523)
Yes.

Kelli (40:24.506)
The fact that she talked about it and her son talked about it, that's huge because so many people are going through that. And it's a very difficult thing to talk about. It's very difficult for families to go through. It affects every single person in the family. So whoever's out there watching it will appreciate this. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (40:30.552)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (40:44.151)
Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. I'm glad it was brought to light. I really am. I mean, I guess we have to see Britney next week.

Kelli (40:52.892)
that's right. There's definitely another episode because we haven't seen Brittany yet. I love the fact that she and Angie showed up with the same dress and Angie was like, bitch, please take it off. Call somebody, tell them to run to Macy's and get you a new dress.

We Wine Whenever (41:04.226)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (41:09.977)
Hahahaha!

Kelli (41:14.352)
And clearly that's what happened.

We Wine Whenever (41:16.825)
Or, yeah, I mean, maybe she brought two dresses, I guess? I don't know.

Kelli (41:20.49)
her dress was super cute. I love a short dress. Brittany's dress was cute. I'm just teasing.

We Wine Whenever (41:24.632)
Her dress was cute. did think her dress, I mean, I Lori didn't like it. I thought it was cute.

Kelli (41:28.826)
I thought it was cute. mean, it's straight up like to be like 80s like but that's what I like

We Wine Whenever (41:34.028)
Yeah, I thought it was cute. So we'll have to wait and see what happens next week. Like I said, we haven't seen Brittany yet. And hopefully we wrap up some more stuff. And I guess that's it, right?

Kelli (41:35.983)
Yeah.

Kelli (41:42.268)
No.

Kelli (41:48.506)
That's it. I don't think there's anything extra, right?

going on. We're gonna, we are gonna talk about the Justin Baldoni Blake Lively thing. We have to do that sooner rather than later. So.

We Wine Whenever (42:02.1)
Okay, we'll have to plan an episode where we talk about that because there's a lot we got to add Ryan Reynolds into it now too because there's a lot going on and Taylor Swift.

Kelli (42:08.38)
crazy crazy It's so hard to follow It's a lot

We Wine Whenever (42:13.386)
It's a lot. and Shane and Emily came up with their second episode. They have another episode. I didn't listen to it yet. I didn't listen to it yet. I just saw that there's a second episode on it.

Kelli (42:18.198)
I'll listen to it tomorrow. I listened to both of them and the Bravo Docket, which I love. I did feel like Emily and Shane break it down more simply. The Bravo Docket, I mean, they're all lawyers, all four of them are lawyers, but I feel like the Bravo Docket really, the terminology they use, like if you're not, and I work for lawyers.

We Wine Whenever (42:34.348)
Did you listen?

We Wine Whenever (42:45.762)
Right.

Kelli (42:46.34)
I just feel like Shane and Emily kind of break it down simpler.

We Wine Whenever (42:49.836)
Yeah, I agree. Did you look?

Kelli (42:51.26)
for anyone out there who's looking for a more simple breakdown.

We Wine Whenever (42:54.84)
Yes. And we'll give you our simplest of all simple breakdowns. Did you listen to that other one I told you about? That's... Oh.

Kelli (42:58.038)
we will be the simplest.

Kelli (43:04.956)
Not yet, I'll listen tomorrow. I have to clean my entire house tomorrow. I have a lot of work, so I'll plug in, I'll put my pods in.

We Wine Whenever (43:13.673)
a good idea. I have to clean out my closet. just, my closet is a disaster. I have to get rid of clothes. I think that's what I'm gonna do too. I'm gonna put in my airpods, listen to some, get the closet cleaned out.

Kelli (43:27.067)
Yeah.

I like, obviously it's February 1st. I put all of my Christmas stuff away, but you know, like I feel like there's like a couple of times a year where you really like clean your house, you know? I mean, I clean my house people, but I'm just saying, you know what I mean? Like, I just feel like my house is still untidy from Christmas. Like there's just like, there's still wrapping paper out of my back room. It's February 1st. Nobody's wrapping Christmas presents anymore. Like it's, this shit needs to go away.

We Wine Whenever (43:42.931)
No, we know that. Like a deep clean.

We Wine Whenever (43:56.855)
No, they're not. Yeah. No, I hear you.

Kelli (44:00.496)
So I gotta like get stuff and put it back up in the attic and you know, so that's my plan tomorrow and I have to clean my bathroom which is the thing I hate most in the world. I absolutely hate it.

But I have to do it every week.

We Wine Whenever (44:16.107)
I'm not a fan either. I'm not a fan of cleaning the bathroom either.

Kelli (44:19.034)
I'm ready to pay somebody just to come clean my bathroom.

We Wine Whenever (44:22.731)
Really?

Kelli (44:23.608)
I swear on the Bible, I'm ready to do that.

We Wine Whenever (44:28.501)
Well, I'll be honest with you. I only clean my bathroom and the boys clean the other two bathrooms or the bath and a half because I'm sorry, they live here. They can clean a bathroom.

Kelli (44:37.466)
Yeah. Right.

Kelli (44:42.434)
I totally agree with you.

I would do that, nobody would clean it the way I'd want them to though. Not a damn one of them.

We Wine Whenever (44:52.982)
Matthew's the best cleaner. Nobody really does a job. Matthew's a really good cleaner. He takes pride in his cleaning too. He's a very good cleaner. He cleans better than I do.

Kelli (45:02.94)
It's great though. I don't think Joe's cleaned a fucking thing in his whole life. Except himself.

We Wine Whenever (45:09.78)
Well, now Matthew's my, yeah.

Kelli (45:15.014)
Tess was her room, you know. My mom just said it to me today, so I have two sisters, and my mom said, I never made you guys help around the house because her mother, my beloved Nana, made her do everything. My mother did everything growing up. So when she had three, she didn't make us do anything. And I was like, well, that wasn't great either. She's like, no, but thankfully you all three turned out to be like good housekeeper, you know, like we're.

responsible and keep our houses tidy. But we didn't, mean, I didn't set the table. I didn't clean the table. I didn't do my laundry until I moved out. I did nothing.

We Wine Whenever (45:45.328)
Right, right, you figured it out.

We Wine Whenever (45:54.292)
Wow.

Kelli (45:58.788)
And, but now that's what I do with my kids. Tess does her own laundry and cleans her room, but the other one, no, he don't do shit. He doesn't even bring his laptop in to charge it overnight half the time for school.

We Wine Whenever (46:12.31)
these kids.

We Wine Whenever (46:16.053)
Yeah. Okay, until next time. Thank you for watching and listening. Bye.

Kelli (46:23.11)
Bye.