RHOP-Drag, Drama, and Divorces

RHOP-Drag, Drama, and Divorces
 RHOP S9 E16 - "The Truth Will Set You Off" 

• Mia’s Sons’ Paternity Test Drama:
• Karen accuses Mia of knowing the results for a while; Mia claims she only found out a week ago.
• Heated arguments between Karen, Mia, and Stacey about handling family matters privately.

Ashley’s Drag Performance:

• Ashley debuts as “Ashtop” in a drag show, performing confidently in a male persona.
• The ladies are stunned when Ashley’s performance includes topless pasties, showcasing her playful side.

Gordon and Mia’s Tension:

• Mia reveals that Gordon secretly conducted a paternity test and shared the results with others.
• Mia struggles with setting boundaries with Gordon and expresses frustration about his behavior.

Karen and Greg’s Relationship Issues:

• Karen feels unsupported and dismissed in her relationship with Greg.
• She shares her struggles with the group, questioning whether they should live separately.

Divorce Discussions:

• Ashley and Stacey bond over their divorces.
• Stacey shares that she waived child support to move on, while Ashley worries about finalizing her divorce agreement.

Strut for Strays Fashion Show Preparation:

• Stacey invites the ladies to walk the runway with adoptable dogs but faces pushback.
• Karen declines the invitation, citing Stacey’s support of Mia over her.
• Giselle questions Stacey’s motives and authenticity, leading to tension.

Wendy’s Exciting News:

• Wendy shares that she’ll film an episode of the Dr. Wendy Show at the White House, interviewing press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre.

Stacey and Mia Bonding:

• Stacey tells Mia about Karen’s past warnings to avoid her and Wendy.
• Mia discusses Gordon’s struggles and her frustrations with Karen spreading rumors.

Teasers for Next Week:

• The fashion show event.
• Karen walking into court, signaling more drama ahead.

Takeaways

• The season finale is approaching with significant drama.
• Mia's paternity test conflict escalates tensions among the ladies.
• Ashley impresses with her drag show performance.
• Karen's loyalty is questioned amidst the drama.
• Giselle advises Kiarna on her relationship with Greg.
• Stacey's fashion show aims to promote pet adoption.
• Ashley is firm in her stance regarding her divorce.
• Kierna and Greg's relationship shows signs of strain.
• The episode highlights the emotional toll of reality TV.
• The hosts reflect on the evolving dynamics of the cast. Wendy's loyalty to Karen is evident in her support.
• Fashion choices in Potomac often spark debate among cast members.
• Charity events reveal deeper issues of accountability among the women.
• Wendy's upcoming interview at the White House is a significant milestone.
• Mia's comments about Potomac culture highlight underlying tensions.
• The group's dynamics shift with new friendships and alliances forming.
• Giselle's behavior raises questions about her intentions and motivations.
• The anticipation for the season finale builds as unresolved conflicts linger.
• The hosts express hope for growth and learning in the upcoming season.
• The reunion promises to be a pivotal moment for the cast.

Transcript

We Wine Whenever (00:00.858)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy. We are talking about Real Housewives of Potomac, Season 9, Episode 16, The Truth Will Set You Off.

Kelli (00:03.522)
I'm Kelly.

Kelli (00:11.715)
Yeah.

Kelli (00:15.694)
and next week is the season finale. So there's been quite a few episodes already. I feel like that's a decent amount of episodes in a season, like 17, 16, 17.

We Wine Whenever (00:18.029)
Yes.

Yeah, yeah there has, there definitely has.

We Wine Whenever (00:30.245)
Yeah, I mean, it's funny because Melissa was talking about episodes the other day on our podcast and you know, back when they first started, they would do like 25 episodes a season. And now we're lucky to get like you said, like 15 or 16.

Kelli (00:41.12)
I remember that.

Kelli (00:46.572)
And Jersey's been more like 12 or 13. It's not that much at all. And they get paid per episode.

We Wine Whenever (00:49.731)
Yeah, yeah, I know, I know. Yes, they do. And then they get bonuses based on the number of reunion episodes too. So, well, this was a good episode. We start out where we left off with the ladies fighting about Mia's son's paternity test.

Kelli (01:01.762)
Yeah.

Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (01:13.253)
Karen is maintaining that Mia has known for quite some time and Mia says that she just found out about a week ago. And then Mia starts going in on Karen about her drunk driving and her sleeping with other men.

Kelli (01:26.956)
Yeah, it's just a big, you know, just, they're just throwing, throwing, you know, insults.

We Wine Whenever (01:33.017)
Yes. Yes. And then the ladies say, I'm done with this. They're going back inside. And meanwhile, we're watching Ashley. She's in the back getting ready to perform her drag show. And she's excited that she finally has her package put together.

Kelli (01:49.43)
Listen, I think Ashley did an amazing job and I thought that looked like a really fun time. But if she were really trying to look like a man, I feel like she should have had a white t-shirt underneath her suit jacket.

We Wine Whenever (02:01.644)
It wouldn't have been as effective when she ripped her jacket open.

Kelli (02:04.824)
that's true. I forgot about that part. But I was watching it. I'm like, she still looks like a woman. She just looks like a woman in a suit because she's got these great boobs. She should have hid the boobs, but yeah, that makes sense. can. She did and she did and she did it very well. And Karen looked like she was having a great time. know. The grand dame. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (02:09.508)
I think that was part of the act. She wanted to get those girls out there. Listen.

We Wine Whenever (02:27.651)
She really did. I did not expect that from her, right? The grand dom? Yeah. So Mia says to Jacqueline, you I don't need to be around anybody who's going to question my lifestyles. I don't need, right, right.

Kelli (02:41.888)
No, because you're lying. So you don't want to be around anybody who's going to question it.

We Wine Whenever (02:47.586)
Yep. And Stacey's over there talking to Mia and Karen gets like a view of that and she's like, Stacey's not by my side. Like she's over there comforting Mia. Like that's not good, which I'm thinking, are you kidding me?

Kelli (03:06.006)
I totally agree with you.

We Wine Whenever (03:08.868)
I mean, that just really showed yet another side of Karen. And you know what? When we get to the end of the episode and Stacey starts talking, it doesn't surprise me. It doesn't surprise me at all.

Kelli (03:21.73)
Now Karen's like a Teresa, like you ride with her or you're dead to her. You're nothing to her.

We Wine Whenever (03:27.074)
Yeah.

Yeah. mean, just the fact that they were yelling and screaming like that, like it's ridiculous.

Kelli (03:36.15)
It was ridiculous. listen, I know we, we know what Karen was doing. She's got a job to do. And she went in that day to do her job, to bring up the paternity test. And that's, and that's great. Mia, you know, starts yelling things at her. Karen starts yelling back. They're both that fault. They were both that fault. And I don't know what, I don't know what Stacey exactly was saying to Karen, but she was saying like, you shouldn't say that.

We Wine Whenever (03:55.362)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (04:05.966)
She was saying that, like you shouldn't be yelling at someone in public about a personal item like that, about the paternity and how she's a mother. And it's true.

Kelli (04:16.566)
And she, and Stacey said, and she's right, it was like an ambush. But that's what Housewives is now. We don't like it, but that is what it is. And Stacey had to know that.

We Wine Whenever (04:21.357)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (04:26.015)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (04:30.82)
Well, I don't know if she did. I mean, if she watched it once or twice, she would know that. I mean, especially with some of the scenes with Candice and Monique and, you right?

Kelli (04:38.19)
Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

We Wine Whenever (04:44.663)
I was surprised to see Kate Chastain there.

Kelli (04:48.086)
Me too. I'm not a huge Kate fan.

We Wine Whenever (04:50.047)
No, no, me neither, me neither.

Kelli (04:53.432)
But I do know that they're close and she did do that show. Remember that show? was Giselle, Kate, Portia, and Hannah Berner.

We Wine Whenever (05:03.83)
during COVID. Yes, yes, where they did like a recap, like a remote recap.

Kelli (05:07.447)
It didn't last long.

Kelli (05:13.708)
Yeah, and after it ended, think Kate was the first one to leave, and she basically called Portia out for her departure. Portia had something to do with it. Yeah. Yeah. So, and then the show just went away.

We Wine Whenever (05:24.185)
really? I did not know that. That's right, they did do that show. Yeah, yeah. Josh shows up, Ashley's boyfriend, and Giselle felt the need to introduce him to everybody, Uncle Lump and all of Ashley's family. I thought that was interesting.

Kelli (05:46.358)
It was interesting. I was kind of surprised that he hadn't met them already. But you know, it's hard to, it's hard to figure out how much time's gone by since that first blind date. Well, not blind date, but the speed dating. So, but I was glad Gisele did that because he seems like a nice guy. I mean, who knows? Maybe they had met before, but they just did it for the show. But Ashley's so close with her family that I'm glad Gisele did that.

We Wine Whenever (05:49.994)
I know!

We Wine Whenever (05:55.702)
That's true.

We Wine Whenever (05:59.275)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (06:08.456)
Right. No, he does seem like a nice guy.

We Wine Whenever (06:13.921)
Yeah. So then they, see, we get to see a few drag queens and drag kings, and then they announce Ashtop and she comes out dancing and she really got that crowd going. She, she really did. She pulls Karen out, you know, to dance with her and Karen sits down and she turns around and she pulls her jacket open and her titties were out with their pasties on them.

Kelli (06:27.502)
She did.

Kelli (06:40.406)
Yeah, she got into it. That was very good. Very good.

We Wine Whenever (06:42.658)
It was funny. It was funny. In her confessionals, she said that she's always, you know, she's always wanted to do this and she, you know, she was glad that she got to do it and she, you know, got to pay homage to her bisexuality. Okay. You know, you do you Ashley.

Kelli (06:58.286)
Yeah. Yeah. You do, Ashley. Absolutely. It's all fluid. It's all fluid.

We Wine Whenever (07:05.154)
Yep. So then Ashley asked the girls like how they're doing and Wendy basically says, well, everything Mia has been saying about Gordon is not true. And Ashley's like, say bitch or lion. I was like, she just jumped on that real quick. So he's not crazy.

Kelli (07:22.61)
She did. I'm sure they all had an inkling, you know, because she was, I mean, she still does, she still says it throughout the episode, even though now we've seen a very coherent Gordon talking to Rey. obviously with that diagnosis, you are going to have highs and lows, but she needs to seem like he's manic like every 10 minutes.

We Wine Whenever (07:35.35)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (07:46.496)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (07:50.292)
Right, right.

Kelli (07:51.532)
I did not like that car ride with ink, but I know we're going to get there.

We Wine Whenever (07:54.729)
Yeah, no, I didn't like it either. Before that happens, Giselle meets up with Karen, Ashley and Kiarna. And Karen is talking about the night before and she was saying how it was a late night for her. not only, you know, did Mia know when they were in Panama that she was the dad, but she was like making up all these stories. And

Giselle's like, know enough about that. Like I don't want to talk about that anymore I'm glad she ended it because I didn't I don't want to hear about it anymore either right and Then Kiana says that she's glad that she has this moment to chat with them and she kind of opens up about what's going on with her and Greg That's you know since she moved in together that it's not going all that smoothly and she doesn't feel like Greg is supporting her in being on the show

Kelli (08:25.4)
Yeah, enough.

No. Right.

Kelli (08:45.422)
I yeah, it's clearly has to be all about being on the show. And listen, I don't blame the guy. I mean, neither one of our husbands would ever agree to that, want to be involved in that. I don't blame him at all. However, you gotta, I mean, you have to support her. you know, if this is your person, this is your person.

We Wine Whenever (08:52.784)
I don't either.

We Wine Whenever (09:06.516)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (09:13.128)
Right, exactly.

Kelli (09:14.51)
But I guess at some point he could decide like, I don't want to film. I'm sure that would affect her position on the show, but she'd have to just focus on something else, her business. She's got a beautiful business.

We Wine Whenever (09:27.358)
Right, right.

Giselle tells her that she should never let anyone dim your light and that if Greg doesn't, if he's making you feel small, one, that's a red flag and two, you can't let that happen. And I think that there is a way to move forward with her, like you said. I think she can still be on the show and he doesn't have to, we don't have to see him that much, just an appearance here and there.

Kelli (09:41.026)
Yeah.

Kelli (09:59.426)
We very rarely see the husbands on Potomac, we really do. I mean, we very rarely see Ray. I mean, Ray took a while for him to appear this season, for good reason.

We Wine Whenever (10:03.161)
Right, I agree.

We Wine Whenever (10:12.52)
Yeah, but I think, mean, and we'll get to it when she goes out with him again. I think there's more to it than that. I do. Yeah. So then after that, is in the car and she's picking up at the airport and she tells Ink that they're going to pick up the kids tonight. And because Jeremiah said that he wanted to see Ink and then Gordon said, I don't know if you know, but you know, or she says,

Kelli (10:18.542)
It does seem like it, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (10:41.554)
Inc says, I don't know if you know, Gordon texted me about the paternity test, you know, a couple weeks ago. And he said, he told you about the results and he thought you were going to tell me. So I guess Inc found out by the text message from Gordon, which, you know, that's a little shady too.

Kelli (10:48.238)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (11:06.845)
Right?

Kelli (11:08.024)
what that Gordon text him?

We Wine Whenever (11:10.589)
that Mia didn't tell him that Gordon did it, that she has the results, that he has to find it out from Gordon.

Kelli (11:18.798)
Right, because, Gordon probably knew, this is probably why, one, he text Inc, and two, he asked Ray to go to lunch on camera. Because he knew Mia had this information, and she wasn't sharing it, and she was still perpetuating this potential lie, was an actual lie.

We Wine Whenever (11:27.636)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (11:35.697)
Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (11:39.774)
He says he doesn't believe that he took the test and Mia said, well, there are results in my inbox that says, yeah.

Kelli (11:45.77)
See, I didn't like that that Inc said that.

We Wine Whenever (11:53.076)
you know, but why would you go and get it done behind, that's what Mia is saying. Like, why would he get it done behind my back? Well, because you were being shady about the whole thing. And he's like, I'm just going to put this to rest. That's why. That's why.

Kelli (12:03.702)
Right.

He's man, he can do whatever the fuck he wants. He doesn't need you to go with him and hold his hand.

We Wine Whenever (12:13.885)
Yes he can.

We Wine Whenever (12:17.664)
Right. And ink is telling me that she really needs to set better boundaries with Gordon. I mean, he is the father of her children and her children are young. So I think she needs to set boundaries with ink.

Kelli (12:31.583)
is.

Kelli (12:38.624)
Exactly. I think that she needs Gordon for something. There's something there that she needs him for. Or, I don't know, but I think if, because if it weren't true, then she would have been out. She would have been gone. She wouldn't be co-parent. She wouldn't be, she's not the type to, you I don't know, I shouldn't say that. She's a good mom. I don't want to say anything about her being a mom, but.

We Wine Whenever (12:45.663)
What?

We Wine Whenever (12:55.271)
or what it is.

Kelli (13:05.742)
I just feel like if she didn't need him for something, there wasn't something there holding her close to him, I don't know if it's her storyline so she stays on the show, I don't know.

We Wine Whenever (13:11.848)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (13:16.703)
I don't know either. Then we see Stacey goes to the Humane Rescue Alliance and we find out that she's the ambassador for them. And she's gonna be emceeing a fashion show where the ladies walk down the runway with a pet that can be adopted. Which I thought, that's a cute idea. So Ashley came there to meet up with her and she got to pick out, or she got to meet the dog that she's gonna be walking the runway with. And...

Kelli (13:33.912)
Very cute.

We Wine Whenever (13:45.617)
Stacey and Ashley start talking about their divorces because that's something that they have in common and Ashley says that you know if if Gordon doesn't come around by the end of the week then my attorney said that we're gonna have to do a Public claim file a public claim and we can either do a vanilla claim or we can do a spicy claim

Kelli (13:51.361)
Yeah.

Kelli (14:07.34)
with Michael, you know it could get real spicy.

We Wine Whenever (14:09.969)
it can get real spicy, but you know what? Ashley's drawn that line in the sand and she's gonna stick by it. And I'm glad because this has been going on a long time now. And I think like she's finally strong enough. Stacey said she wants to get to the end of her divorce also so she can start her life. And she said, that's why I waived my right for child support again.

Kelli (14:19.64)
Yeah, yeah it has.

Kelli (14:35.15)
Yeah, I don't know about that. Like, I understand he's paying for everything now for your daughter. But like Ashley said, what if he gets remarried? What if he starts a whole new family? I just feel like you need something in writing.

We Wine Whenever (14:37.566)
Mm.

We Wine Whenever (14:49.854)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (14:53.63)
don't know why she's being so dense about this whole thing. I don't know why she's like, no, he's good. I'll always take care of Arabella. Okay, well in theory, yeah, but.

Kelli (15:04.556)
That's, yeah, like you wanna believe he always will because that's his daughter and he always has up until now, but she's his only child right now. Somebody else could come along and they might not be nice and he could marry them and then they have children and she could try to ice your daughter out. I mean, it's like a, you know, the age old story. We've seen it happen.

We Wine Whenever (15:11.73)
Right.

Right.

We Wine Whenever (15:27.558)
Yeah, yeah. And Stacey says, listen, this is the right agreement for us.

Kelli (15:35.682)
I mean, she's sticking by it. She's committing to it, so.

We Wine Whenever (15:38.311)
She is. Yeah, she is. I hope that she changes her mind. I really do. I don't think she is though. Then we see Kierna and Greg are in the car and they're driving together and that was so awkward. That drive was so awkward.

Kelli (15:46.295)
I know.

Kelli (15:55.086)
So he clearly does not want to talk about their relationship on camera. It's very clear.

We Wine Whenever (16:00.806)
Right. Right.

Kelli (16:04.662)
And she keeps pushing, but you know what? Maybe she keeps pushing. Maybe he never wants to talk about their relationship. And she figures if she's got him on camera, like he has no choice.

We Wine Whenever (16:16.22)
Right. Right. It could be. It could be. Or maybe, you know, because after watching this conversation was one in the car, but then when they got to the restaurant and he's like, you know, we met down here a couple of years ago and Greg is like, I feel like we keep arguing about the same things. And she's like, yeah, but

Kelli (16:19.82)
Right?

We Wine Whenever (16:40.95)
It's because there's no compromise. you and I keep arguing about the same thing because we can't get past it. You want it your way, I want it my way. Like, there's got to be a compromise. And basically, he says, you have to calm the fuck down.

And I think that was her answer right there. Like, he's not willing to compromise.

Kelli (17:01.547)
Even when she said what did she say you shut me out? She you don't hear me What what did she say you not you shut me down, but you

We Wine Whenever (17:09.477)
Right, yeah.

She wants to be seen. She says, I want to feel seen. I want to feel safe. I want to feel like you value me and that you see the value in us being together. And then she starts crying and she's like, I don't feel those things. And he's dismissive. He's just very dismissive. And then he says, I don't dismiss your feelings. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (17:27.574)
Yeah. And he's like, no, no.

Yeah, but that's what it was. I don't dismiss, I don't dismiss. And you have to wonder, like, is he getting so defensive because he's on camera and he knows that people are gonna have strong opinions about him, but you're not helping yourself by just being in denial and not, you're doing right now what she's accusing you of doing and you're saying you don't do.

We Wine Whenever (17:58.747)
Yeah, I mean

Kelli (17:59.294)
on camera for everybody to see.

We Wine Whenever (18:02.499)
feel like, listen, they just got a house together. They've been together a couple years. I think this might just be a pivotal part in their relationship where she's finally realizing that I can't be myself. I can't live the life I want to live if I'm with him. And listen, better she figure it out now than after they're married and, you know, have to try and... Right, right.

Kelli (18:26.606)
possibly have kids, yeah. She said I shrink when I'm around him.

We Wine Whenever (18:31.77)
Yeah, and that's sad.

Kelli (18:33.442)
That's sad.

We Wine Whenever (18:36.912)
Then we see Stacey shows up at Vivian's dress shop. I mean, we've seen Vivian quite a bit this season, right?

Kelli (18:44.054)
Yeah, but this was so, this was so messed up.

We Wine Whenever (18:48.803)
It was, 100 % it was. I know. Did see her face?

Kelli (18:50.872)
This poor Vivian, right? Yeah, like what? mean, all right, we'll get into it.

We Wine Whenever (18:58.38)
So they're there to pick out dresses for the runway show. It's called Strut for Strays, which I think is adorable. Karen texts Stacey declining the invitation. Wendy shows up and Ashley shows up. Stacey hands them each the picture of the dogs that they're walking with. She says that she only has 10 people walking the show. And then she lets them know that Karen

Kelli (19:05.185)
Yep.

We Wine Whenever (19:27.781)
you know, declined. She said she would support the event, but she wasn't going to participate because of the way she treated her the other night. And she took me aside.

Kelli (19:38.286)
her words and action.

We Wine Whenever (19:40.547)
Right. And Wendy jumped right on that bandwagon. Like I understand what Karen was talking about. I was like, Wendy rides hard for Karen. She, she always has.

Kelli (19:51.32)
She sure does. Yep. I mean, it was Wendy, Karen, and Candace against the rest of them for a while.

We Wine Whenever (19:59.918)
Yeah, she really does. Well, then we see Gisele shows up and Gisele has a totally different spin on why Karen's not coming because she was with Karen when Karen got the text message to meet them at Vivian's. Vivian's Karen's friend and you only know, and she's like, no, no, I've known Vivian longer than I've known Karen.

Kelli (20:28.046)
and she said that. I mean, the first scene we met, Stacey, was at Vivian's and she said it right then and there.

We Wine Whenever (20:29.965)
Yeah!

Right. Yes. Yeah.

Kelli (20:39.424)
I remembered what I was gonna bring up. Thank God. Okay.

We Wine Whenever (20:42.543)
Say it now before you forget.

Kelli (20:44.494)
Okay, thank you. I saw a clip on Instagram today and it must be from a past BravoCon. And Andy asks, Alexia from Miami, of all people, what franchise do you think has the worst fashion? And she said, I think it's a tie between New Jersey and Potomac. Now, first of all, asking Alexia this question is ridiculous because she dresses out of like,

the Venus catalog, literally. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but I'm just saying. And I was thinking, so as I was watching Potomac, I thought about this, because I was like, Potomac, really do have some badass fashion. They have bad, I don't mean badass, like good badass, I mean bad. When they were all walking into Vivian's store, I'm like, what the fuck is she wearing? And then the next one would walk in, I'm like, the fuck is she wearing?

We Wine Whenever (21:14.958)
Yes, she does. She does. Well.

We Wine Whenever (21:27.791)
Yeah.

Yeah, bad, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (21:41.85)
Bye now.

Kelli (21:42.496)
It was bad. They do have bad fashion. And listen, I guess people think that the, I think the Jersey housewives dress fine, but I'm from New Jersey. Exactly. Exactly.

We Wine Whenever (21:51.054)
That's cause we're Jersey. We dress like they do.

I mean, what is there to hate on?

Kelli (21:59.822)
you

I know, I like it, I like it all. Yeah, alright, I had to get that out.

We Wine Whenever (22:05.743)
I do too. I do too. Yeah, no, I get it. So she goes on to say that, listen, you could have just like given Karen an FYI and let her know that, you know, we're going to be doing this at Vivian's. Listen, I will acknowledge the fact that she invited them the day before to come meet her at Vivian's and did not even ask them, you know.

Kelli (22:31.864)
But don't they all get a call sheet? Like they know when they're filming. So maybe they don't know where they have to go, but they knew they had to film that day. So who cares where you got to show up?

We Wine Whenever (22:34.97)
Yes, they do.

Kelli (22:47.008)
I don't know, I'm just-

We Wine Whenever (22:48.474)
Yeah, I mean, there is a way to ask somebody to walk a fashion show with a pet. mean, listen, Giselle, you know, she comes up with that cockamamie, you know, what if, what if I had a past trauma or if I was allergic to dogs and Stacey's like, well, do any of those apply? And she's like, yeah, I'm not going to be able to do the fashion show. And then the producers are like, well, what was your trauma? She goes, well, I may have been bitten by a dog. I mean, that may be a lie or it may not.

Kelli (22:59.18)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (23:18.968)
Well, we know now that it's a lie. You were not bitten by a dog.

Kelli (23:21.44)
Exactly. She's so meh. Like this is the Giselle I don't miss. She was saying the stupidest stuff. Stacey does not owe Karen a phone call because she's going to film at Vivian's. That's her friend. If you don't want to come, you don't want to be part of this. and then she brought up the GNA event. You didn't donate. And Stacey said, you kicked me out and good for her. And then she said, we've had two GNA events and I don't know how you sleep at night.

We Wine Whenever (23:27.413)
No, I don't.

We Wine Whenever (23:33.385)
No. No. No, she does not. No.

We Wine Whenever (23:45.247)
Right. Right.

Kelli (23:51.092)
I'd love to know what kind of charitable donations Giselle has made to her fellow castmates over the years.

We Wine Whenever (23:51.33)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (23:57.677)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (24:01.005)
Yeah, because when Giselle said that to Stacey, I didn't know you did charity. And you see the look on Wendy's face, she's like, what?

Kelli (24:04.983)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (24:08.876)
Yeah, yeah, like say something Wendy say something

We Wine Whenever (24:12.297)
No, she wouldn't. And even when Giselle was saying that ridiculous thing about Karen giving her the FYI about the, Wendy's like, I don't necessarily, in her confessional, I don't necessarily agree with that. Like, what do we need permission? That doesn't make sense. I know, I know. It was totally ridiculous. Stacey.

Kelli (24:26.572)
Right. But Ashley agreed with it.

ridiculous.

We Wine Whenever (24:42.004)
said, I thought we were all like-minded. And Giselle says, well, we're not. And interconfessional said that Karen seems to want friends to just blindly follow her no matter what. And that is very, very true. Giselle said, I'll be there on time and I will write a check. Stacey said, good. And you can sit with Karen, which was perfect. And she's like, OK.

Kelli (25:09.688)
Yeah, Gisele was ridiculous. mean, not one person could say her behavior during that conversation was okay. She was just looking to needle Stacey about something, anything. Because she stepped out of line.

We Wine Whenever (25:17.684)
No, definitely not.

We Wine Whenever (25:24.748)
Yeah. And I, I actually like Stacey. I would like to see Stacey another season without TJ. Yeah. So then we see Wendy at home and she's doing some work and happy Eddie comes in. She says she's working. Well, I mean, in this group he is, but it's, it's not, it's not that hard in this group because look, look at what we got.

Kelli (25:33.454)
songs TJ.

Kelli (25:42.4)
He is the number one guy in the group.

Kelli (25:47.278)
That's what I mean.

Kelli (25:54.518)
I know, but he still has it. He still has it.

We Wine Whenever (25:54.616)
She said she's working on season two of the Dr. Wendy show. I've never seen it. I guess it's on YouTube. I think it's a YouTube series.

Kelli (26:06.23)
Yeah, I'm gonna watch it though. I haven't seen it either, but I am gonna look for it.

We Wine Whenever (26:10.552)
Eddie tells her that she needs to stand for this announcement because he's got some good news for her and She's like, what are you? What are you? Are you gonna ask me to marry you like she was all confused? so he's like well, I just got off the phone and you're gonna film an episode of the dr. Wendy show at the White House and The look on her face and he's like do you want to know who you're gonna be interviewing and she's like, yes the White House prex press secretary

Kelli (26:22.37)
you

We Wine Whenever (26:40.151)
Kareem Jean Pierre. She's the first black woman to hold the position of White House Press Secretary. So she's very excited about that, which good for her. mean, invite, yeah, invite to the White House. That's amazing, amazing.

Kelli (26:52.864)
Absolutely, she should be excited. That's amazing.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah. Because it's not like she's like on you know, mainstream show. you know, this is big.

We Wine Whenever (27:04.535)
Right.

Right.

think she might be friends with her to be honest with you because isn't that the high ranking person that gave her that award from the White House?

Kelli (27:18.176)
I don't know, I don't know, probably.

We Wine Whenever (27:21.183)
I think she might be friends with her. You know, they're in Potomac, you know? And she was, you know, she does do broadcasting.

Kelli (27:23.406)
Probably. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Kelli (27:31.618)
And she was a professor and she was a professor of, forget what it was it. Yeah, but like black studies, I think. Like, so yeah, I mean, she's definitely well versed. Yeah. Yeah, she's well versed. She's highly intelligent. You know, she's likable. Very likable.

We Wine Whenever (27:35.927)
Political science maybe?

yes, I think you're right. Yeah. Well, she has, yeah, she has four degrees, four degrees. So yeah.

We Wine Whenever (27:53.195)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (27:57.077)
Yeah, so,

Then we see Stacey meets up with Mia.

Kelli (28:04.558)
Well, he asks her, who are you gonna bring?

We Wine Whenever (28:07.871)
Yeah, that happens later. We could go into that now. Yeah, okay. So then we, Stacey meets up with Mia and they get there and Mia's like, are we having a glass of wine or something? And Stacey's like, yeah, let's get a glass. So Stacey asked me how she's doing and she says there's good days and there's bad days. You know, I take it as it comes. Gordon is having a little bit of a spiral. Again, I don't know.

Kelli (28:09.445)
okay. Okay, sorry.

Kelli (28:20.866)
Yeah, the sooner the better.

We Wine Whenever (28:37.182)
I really don't know.

Kelli (28:37.312)
It's funny because every time we see Gordon, he's not in a spiral.

We Wine Whenever (28:42.922)
She says, Mia says she's upset that Gordon sharing their personal family information with non-family members. Which, I mean, you're already kind of sharing it with the world. So I don't know what you're talking about.

Kelli (28:55.06)
yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

She's a do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do person, for sure.

We Wine Whenever (29:02.474)
Yes, she is. Yes, she is. Just like Karen. Just like Karen. So the next bomb comes out. Well, Stacey says, when I met Karen before I was introduced to this group, Karen specifically told me some things about you and how I should avoid you because you are not Potomac.

Kelli (29:05.026)
Yeah, exactly.

We Wine Whenever (29:22.898)
And she's like, when Mia says, Potomac drunk driving, swinging on bar stools, crashing your car into trees, continuously getting DUIs? What exactly is Potomac? And I was like,

Kelli (29:38.055)
Uh-huh, those are fighting words there. I don't blame her though, I don't blame her. Because if somebody told me that somebody said that about me, I'd be looking to go real down and dirty.

We Wine Whenever (29:40.552)
Yeah, I don't either.

We Wine Whenever (29:49.472)
And then she said, she also told me not to be friends with Wendy. She said, Wendy is completely self-absorbed and I should never trust her. She's only out for herself. Wendy says, I would like to share this moment with my friends. think, that's when when Eddie asks her, like, who do you want to share this with? And she's like, well, I think I'd like to invite Karen. Because she took me to,

Surry County when she got the key to the city and Queens recognized Queens. Wait till you see what Karen said about you, Wendy.

Kelli (30:25.098)
Yep. And you know what? Think about the timing. Stacey is so new to this group. So she's meeting Karen after the seasons where Wendy, Candice, and Karen were like a trio. And Karen's still saying that shit about Wendy.

We Wine Whenever (30:32.598)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (30:42.826)
Yeah.

Kelli (30:44.27)
That's wild.

We Wine Whenever (30:45.514)
I thought that was wild too. And she goes on to say that, know, Karen was so proud that she bought her family's home because they were slaves on the home, on the land, and now they own it. And, you know, the White House was built by slaves, so I can bring her to the White House and she can see like the, you know, the grandest house of the land and that was built with slaves. And I was like, this is not good. No, it's not gonna go well. And then the next week,

Kelli (31:09.166)
This is not gonna go well.

We Wine Whenever (31:14.272)
We're going to see the fashion show. I do see that the animals have gone amok. I see some dog poop on the floor. I see Karen walking into court. You know what I didn't see though? I did not see anything about the White House. So I don't know if we're going to get to see that.

Kelli (31:21.496)
They have.

Yeah.

Kelli (31:29.967)
yeah.

Kelli (31:37.39)
I thought it was in the promo for it. mean, gosh, I hope so. If they cut that out to show the dogs pooping in the fashion show, I mean, come on, Bravo, get it together.

We Wine Whenever (31:50.59)
I know.

We Wine Whenever (31:56.393)
I hope that's in there because that's something I want to see. Yeah, absolutely. So hopefully we do see that. Well, hopefully. I mean, it is an hour. We have another hour left. Well, 40, probably 44 minutes or something. So yeah, next week is the season finale. I'm kind of glad though. think, you know, yeah, I'm glad to wrap this one up. See how many reunion episodes we get.

Kelli (32:00.044)
Yeah, that's major.

Kelli (32:04.652)
Yeah.

Kelli (32:14.894)
Crazy.

Kelli (32:25.911)
I know.

We Wine Whenever (32:27.125)
don't think we'll get three, I really don't.

Kelli (32:29.004)
I don't think we're gonna get three either. mean, Karen's not there. If Karen were gonna be there, sure, because we could have a whole episode about her. And then the other two could fill it, you know, but if she's not there, I mean, how much can they talk about it? They probably can talk about it.

We Wine Whenever (32:32.405)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (32:38.291)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (32:43.732)
I know.

We Wine Whenever (32:47.485)
No, I agree. I don't think they can, especially since at that point she hadn't been sentenced yet and she was going to rehab. The word out today is that they are casting for New York. We saw that online. So there's a casting call out for New York Housewives. So any of our listeners? I think it's probably just a couple. don't think they're, I mean, Andy's already said he's not going to scrub the hole.

Kelli (32:49.517)
Yeah.

Kelli (32:56.513)
Right.

Kelli (33:01.122)
Mm-hmm, yep.

Kelli (33:07.086)
I wonder if it's just a couple. Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (33:17.15)
cast, you know?

Kelli (33:18.552)
He loves Jana.

We Wine Whenever (33:20.274)
He does love Jenna. He was surprised she came back.

Kelli (33:23.104)
and I think he loves Raquel now too. I hope Jessel stays.

We Wine Whenever (33:25.587)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (33:29.668)
I want Cy back.

I want UBA back too. I think we'll see it totally.

Kelli (33:34.806)
yeah, I could just honestly do without Erin and Brynn.

We Wine Whenever (33:39.442)
Yeah, well, Erin was pre- well, she wasn't pregnant yet.

wasn't pregnant when they filmed it.

Kelli (33:44.844)
I'm not, I don't, I think she's a tryhard.

I don't want to see it. Like, I don't want to see you acting. Just live your life. Like, you live in New York City. This isn't OC. You live in New York City. Live your life and let us see it.

We Wine Whenever (33:53.617)
No.

We Wine Whenever (33:59.891)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (34:04.794)
I would hope that this season is a learning experience for the entire cast. Yeah. I would hope. We'll have to wait and see though.

Kelli (34:10.156)
I hope so.

Kelli (34:16.076)
Yeah, but the reunion should be good.

We Wine Whenever (34:18.479)
yes, the reunion should be good. I did see on, I think it was Instagram, Brynn was flying someplace today, so she's still posting. I don't know where she was flying to. She didn't say.

Kelli (34:34.156)
Yeah, I mean, maybe she's, you know, going over to Europe to see her eggs. Isn't that where they are?

We Wine Whenever (34:39.505)
Maybe. Yeah, they're in London. Okay, am I keeping you up?

Kelli (34:43.574)
No, I'm so sorry. That was ridiculous. Sorry.

We Wine Whenever (34:49.457)
Hmm

Kelli (34:49.836)
It was the nail appointment that threw me off.

We Wine Whenever (34:52.219)
Okay. All right, I guess until next time, thank you for watching. Please watch and follow us. Bye.

Kelli (35:03.074)
Bye.