RHOBH-The Serenity That Wasn't: Kyle's Stormy Exit

RHOBH-The Serenity That Wasn't: Kyle's Stormy Exit
RHOBH S14 E8 - A Perfect Storm Out, highlights a chaotic spa day at Bozma's house, escalating tensions between the cast members, and emotional fallout among the women. Bozma hosts a lavish "Sisterhood Serenity Soirée," but the serene vibes are quickly disrupted as Kyle's cryptic text messages about Dorit come under scrutiny. Garcelle and Dorit have a heartfelt reconciliation, but the drama peaks when Kyle refuses to fully explain the text, leading to an explosive confrontation and her dramatic exit.

The tension carries over into smaller meetups, with Dorit confiding in Erika about PK and their struggles, Sutton voicing frustration over Kyle’s behavior, and Erika opting to stay neutral. Meanwhile, a tender moment emerges as Kyle celebrates her daughter Portia’s 16th birthday, offering a brief respite from the ongoing drama.
Takeaways

• The Sisterhood Serenity Soiree sets the stage for the episode.
• Dorit's hair extensions become a point of discussion.
• The text message drama continues to unfold, raising questions about authenticity.
• Kyle's relationship with Dorit is scrutinized amidst the drama.
• Chef Darryl's charm adds a light-hearted element to the soirée.
• Garcelle's interactions reveal underlying tensions with Dorit.
• The hosts speculate on the authenticity of the cast's conflicts.
• Kathy Hilton's tech struggles highlight generational differences.
• The use of McCormick spices raises eyebrows among the hosts.
• The episode concludes with unresolved tensions surrounding the text message. The text message drama reveals deeper emotional struggles.
• Friendship dynamics often involve unspoken expectations.
• Confrontations can lead to misunderstandings and emotional turmoil.
• Personal struggles can affect how individuals react in social situations.
• Strategic alliances are common in reality TV friendships.
• The ongoing drama can overshadow more significant issues.
• Emotional reactions can cloud communication and understanding.
• Celebrations can serve as a backdrop for personal conflicts.
• Loyalty is often tested in high-pressure situations.
• The absurdity of the drama can highlight the triviality of conflicts.

Transcript

We Wine Whenever (00:00.78)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:03.656)
I'm Kelly.

Lori (00:04.486)
And I'm Laurie.

We Wine Whenever (00:05.806)
We are talking about Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, season 14, episode number eight, A Perfect Storm Out. This is a good name for this one.

Kelli (00:16.905)
That is a good name.

We Wine Whenever (00:19.478)
We start out with all the ladies are getting ready to kind of go over to Bozema's house because she's having what she's calling the Sisterhood Serenity Soiree.

Lori (00:31.358)
I don't want to have too many cocktails and say that.

Kelli (00:31.467)
that makes more sense. I have written down sisterhood sorority soiree.

Lori (00:35.942)
No, there you go. No, that's not it. Hey, listen, Dorit wears a lot of exta-

We Wine Whenever (00:36.274)
own.

Kelli (00:44.711)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (00:44.936)
yeah.

Lori (00:45.8)
I noticed that when she was, I mean, I don't care. She has great extensions, wish I could afford extensions like that, but I'm just saying it's just something I noticed when she was getting ready. was like, damn, like when you look at her real hair.

Kelli (00:51.271)
Yeah, me too.

We Wine Whenever (00:55.799)
Yeah.

Kelli (00:56.361)
Did you see her hairdresser's hair? Her hairdresser, Chris? Did you see his hair? I need to know if his hair is real or if that's a wig. He has the nicest hair and I love the color. Like that's the color I would want my hair. Yeah. I need to know if that's a wig or if it's real hair. if any of our listeners... It doesn't matter. It doesn't.

Lori (01:01.63)
No, I didn't notice it. Did I add nice hair?

Lori (01:12.86)
We Wine Whenever (01:14.828)
Interesting.

Well, what does it matter? if it's, like, just bring that color to your hair salon. Like, show them that picture if you want that color, right? Like, if it's real or wig. So the Sisterhood Serenity Soiree, I feel like they should have reached out to Margaret Joseph's and got some of her Soiree beverage. Right? A little cross promotion?

Kelli (01:24.606)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, who cares?

Kelli (01:40.381)
They should have.

Yes. Bravo. Wake up. Sleeping at the wheel.

Lori (01:44.488)
There you go. There you go.

Sleepin'. Sleepin', sleepin'.

We Wine Whenever (01:50.475)
Always got to bring it back to Jersey, even when we're in Beverly Hills.

Kelli (01:52.303)
Always. At least it wasn't me this time.

We Wine Whenever (01:58.476)
so Bo says, sometimes it was also inspired by Sutton's little friendship rap too. So, you know, there was that. And she says that sometimes in the boardroom, you know, there's some good ideas, but it's about the execution. So she thought the, the friendship thing that Sutton was trying to get out was a good idea, but you know, the execution was not so great with the wrapping their hands together in the ribbon ceremony. So she's.

Kelli (02:26.675)
I think she felt like as a manager she could bring them all right together.

We Wine Whenever (02:29.598)
Yeah. Yeah, I think that's the case. So Boz is telling Dorit that Kyle's text messages are more than you think they are. And while Dorit's getting her extensions put in and she says that she just spoke to Erica this morning and Erica said there was nothing, not anything to worry about. So, you know, it's two different perspectives on the same situation, but

Erica's friends with Kyle and Erica's friends with Dorit, so she's going to have a different take than Bo's who's just meeting these ladies.

Lori (03:06.429)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (03:06.441)
And she's, Erika's probably thinking like, all right, this can't possibly really be a storyline. Like, it's fine. Like, relax, it's a text message, you know? Yeah, because it is odd that, like, is this really what we're gonna watch all season? What episode are we on? Yeah, and we're still talking about the text message. Like, I don't know, I feel like it's...

Lori (03:15.666)
Yeah. Everybody needs to like chill the fuck out and just stop it.

We Wine Whenever (03:26.698)
Eight, and we're still talking about the text message.

Lori (03:32.222)
So, wait, so how about this? So how about Dorit and Kyle are still really good friends, but decided before the season that, look, we're going to take this kind of little thing and run with it because if we make this our gig, then no one's going to be like really paying attention to what Mo's doing or PK's doing or how fucked our marriages are.

Kelli (04:00.221)
I totally agree with you. Especially knowing that they're in a good place now. Like I'm watching them fight with each other and I'm trying to see like if one of them cracks a smile. I'm really paying very close attention because I think that you could be 100 % right. I think that this could all be fabricated. They came up with it between the two of them prior to the season starting.

Lori (04:01.534)
There you go. I'm just saying it's possibility.

Lori (04:07.614)
I'm just saying.

Lori (04:27.927)
I'm just a big conspiracy theorist. I've gone for the weird thing.

Kelli (04:30.116)
I, I, the thought has crossed my mind though.

We Wine Whenever (04:34.24)
I will say that I've heard that conspiracy theory out there before and I don't buy it. but I, I, don't, I, I know. No, but no, you, mean, listen, I'm always the one who's rooting for good instead of evil. mean, you're the, you, you think that all the breakups are a first story line and on

Lori (04:42.014)
Alright.

Kelli (04:43.261)
We're not surprised. Now I'm like, where do we normally take a negative spin? That's for sure. A more negative spin.

Lori (04:49.618)
Yeah.

Kelli (04:56.422)
Exactly.

Kelli (05:02.163)
I do.

We Wine Whenever (05:03.357)
I'm going to say this. I don't think they're that bright to be quite honest with you. I don't think they're that cunning.

Lori (05:07.336)
Yeah, well there you go. Give me too much credit.

Kelli (05:07.737)
I do because I think Kyle's been on the show long enough where Kyle's like, let's, you know, why not? I think, and I think I have this written down in my notes when it comes up, but I think that Kyle, of course she's grown up in LA or in Beverly Hills, so her sense of reality has warped anyway, but I think she's been on this show so long that I don't think she has any idea, any sense of reality.

Lori (05:38.11)
Well, there you go.

We Wine Whenever (05:39.125)
Yeah.

Kelli (05:39.217)
I think she's a great mom. think she was a great wife. I don't mean in that respect. She's got four beautiful daughters who are very healthy and, you normal. She does have normal girls. Like, that's a testament to her. But I think that, you know, I do, I think she would do something for the show, but whatever. I always think that. Absolutely.

We Wine Whenever (05:51.314)
Yeah, no, she absolutely does.

We Wine Whenever (05:57.674)
We'll just, we'll have to wait and see what happens. Then we see Kyle is FaceTiming Cathy in Italy and she couldn't FaceTime her on Cathy's phone because she lost it. So she had a FaceTimer on Rick's phone. Did you pick that up?

Kelli (06:13.457)
Yes. He's like, of course she can't find her phone.

Lori (06:13.476)
Mm-hmm. So now I wanted to bring this up too, because when she's talking to Kathy, she says,

talking about sending memes on Instagram, but that's not what it was about. It was sending text messages, not on Instagram.

We Wine Whenever (06:30.198)
But Kathy Hilton doesn't know Instagram from a text message. Kathy Hilton is not like, no, she's a boomer. Kathy Hilton is a boomer and she has no idea like what the difference is. Yeah. I will say something that did come up now that you just mentioned that is people all over the internet were saying that when Kyle showed the text message the first time,

Lori (06:35.317)
there you go.

Kelli (06:35.335)
Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (06:38.374)
Yeah, I got you. Okay.

Kelli (06:39.581)
That, I agree with that.

Kelli (06:44.723)
Right.

Lori (06:44.763)
Okay.

We Wine Whenever (06:57.362)
it was a screenshot because you could see the picture roll underneath. So they were all over that online. Which, whatever. I mean, if she was going to hide something, she wouldn't have done such a bad job of it.

Lori (06:58.598)
A screenshot, yes.

Kelli (07:02.729)
Yeah. Yep. Yep, yep, yep.

Lori (07:04.741)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (07:14.459)
I don't think people realize sometimes.

We Wine Whenever (07:17.629)
Well, I don't think, like I said, I said this from the beginning, I don't think that she thought that that text message was bad. And it was at the same day that she was texting Dorit right after it was announced that they were separated. And she's not gonna send him a funny joke. You know what mean?

Kelli (07:34.899)
So this came up on 2tease today. Teddy was like, I don't think everybody knows this, but Kyle sent a text to Dorit that day too. And Tamara was like, what? Like that, you know, that changes everything. I don't think that changes anything. She texts PK, she texts Dorit. So yeah, like they made it like this was, that was like some big revelation. like, but is it? Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (07:54.631)
Right. She texts him, right, separately. She did text him separately, like breaking news. I mean, I don't think it is.

Lori (08:05.982)
I think that the issue is not that particular text because like Erica said, you could read that either way. I think the issue is what was texted after that. Because that was right. It was what was texted after that, what happened after that. Because I can see you finding out, you sending that text, it just came up, you get it out there. But I think it's...

Kelli (08:21.107)
that she's not sharing.

Lori (08:35.602)
The problem that people have is that if it went on past that, past the point of you knowing that they're separated, then that becomes the issue.

We Wine Whenever (08:50.099)
Well, we'll never know now, will we? Not unless PK decides to release the text. I don't see that happening.

Lori (08:51.474)
We'll never know, we will.

Kelli (08:52.041)
No we won't.

Kelli (08:56.594)
Right.

Lori (09:00.188)
and I wanted to bring this up. When she was talking to Cathy on the phone, she was making some kind of something and she pulled out some cinnamon and it was like a jar of McCormick cinnamon. Now, let me tell you something. As someone who loves food, if I had money, I would not be buying McCormick spices. I would be buying like really good cinnamon, like really high end.

We Wine Whenever (09:02.802)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (09:25.011)
the organic ones.

Lori (09:29.414)
Spices. was just like, girl, you got all this money and you're using like shitty McCormick spices. I just had to bring it up.

Kelli (09:35.497)
so funny you noticed that. I never noticed that.

Lori (09:38.267)
Yeah, fine.

We Wine Whenever (09:38.546)
I guess McCormick is not going to want to sponsor us now. Thank you, Lori.

Lori (09:40.862)
No, I don't think so. don't think so. So do I. But I'm in that tax bracket. Nah, I'm just saying like, girl, you know, you could, you could afford them. You could afford some really nice good spices. Get in the correct spice tax bracket is all I'm saying.

Kelli (09:42.857)
I don't have Kyle Rickards money,

We Wine Whenever (09:47.912)
I'm kidding you! I'm so kidding you!

Kelli (09:50.217)
I'm in McCormick tax bracket, baby.

Yeah. You're in organic spices. Back bracket Kyle. You're in the door to the stuff and get the spices.

We Wine Whenever (09:55.228)
You

We Wine Whenever (10:02.309)
you

We Wine Whenever (10:06.864)
She's probably in the Air One tax bracket.

Kelli (10:10.247)
Yeah

Lori (10:13.69)
I don't know, just something, just something I picked up. was like, what are you doing?

Kelli (10:19.421)
Well, then Kyle tells Kathy that all of a sudden Dorit thinks it's weird that Kyle and PK are like brother and sister, but that wasn't it at all.

We Wine Whenever (10:27.137)
No, that wasn't it. No.

Lori (10:28.787)
Mm-mm.

We Wine Whenever (10:31.176)
So, Boze's event planner shows up to her house and she lets us know that she's having a chef who has prepared a 14 course meal.

Lori (10:40.935)
Yum yum.

Kelli (10:40.97)
Chef Darryl was quite fine.

We Wine Whenever (10:43.15)
Yes. Yes.

Lori (10:46.064)
And he looked, he looked at Garcelle with such stars in his eyes. He was digging her so hard. was so cute. was like, Garcelle, you better, Garcelle, must jump on that because he was just like, like the hearts were popping out of his eyes. It was so cute.

Kelli (10:49.447)
Yes.

Kelli (10:56.357)
I agree.

Kelli (11:03.173)
Yeah, that was cute when he was like, you're all beautiful. And she was like, yeah, but who's the most beautiful.

We Wine Whenever (11:08.485)
I know.

Lori (11:10.313)
And with her little shoulders shrugging her friend. I'm so cute. Yeah. I just wanted to bring something up real quick. I only thought about it afterwards when I started seeing some social media posts and actually I saw, do you say Bo's Boz? I don't know how you say it. Bo's. She was on like, with Charlamagne the God. She was on the radio. Yeah, on the.

Kelli (11:13.223)
Yeah, he was quite fine.

We Wine Whenever (11:16.008)
Yep.

Kelli (11:29.097)
Bose, right? Because it's Bosema.

We Wine Whenever (11:29.753)
It's Bose. Yeah, Bose.

Kelli (11:36.691)
Breakfast Club.

We Wine Whenever (11:37.607)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (11:38.884)
And they were pointing out how like everyone that she had there was all, like all black staff, like the masseuse, the party planner, and that's exactly what I'm saying. I didn't even realize it. It just never even, like never even occurred to me. But I guess if you're a person of color, then that's something that you...

Kelli (11:50.415)
I didn't even realize that.

Kelli (11:56.531)
Yeah.

Lori (12:07.982)
notice but I just thought it was interesting that I personally just didn't even take notice of.

Kelli (12:14.919)
Yeah, no, me neither. But again, Chef Daryl was quite fine. So we could bring him back anytime, people.

Lori (12:19.367)
Yes, you are.

Anytime. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (12:24.014)
Well, how about all the manly hands guy that Garcelle knew all of them?

Kelli (12:27.561)
She knew all of them. That was so funny. She was like, Hi, how are you? It's so good to see you.

Lori (12:28.318)
That was great.

We Wine Whenever (12:37.03)
you

Lori (12:38.108)
And I don't know if you noticed this, but Baz said hello and she said it just like Kelly does.

We Wine Whenever (12:46.33)
How does Kelly say hello?

Kelli (12:47.753)
Yeah.

Lori (12:48.048)
Sometimes Kelly says, I don't even know if I can do it right. She says, hello. And Bob said, well, so cute, just like my friend Kelly. Yeah.

Kelli (12:54.301)
I do say hello a lot. Hello.

Kelli (13:00.325)
I didn't notice that. I'm gonna go back and watch that.

We Wine Whenever (13:04.367)
my goodness, so she has robes and slippers for everybody and Jennifer Tilly puts her robe on and she's like, I love it when it has my name on it. I'm like, Jennifer.

Kelli (13:14.845)
Yeah

Kelli (13:18.963)
She's perfect for her spot on the show. just, you know, one quick look. And she does say, memes. Memes or memes? Memes. Yeah. So funny.

We Wine Whenever (13:20.038)
Hmm

Lori (13:23.936)
yeah.

We Wine Whenever (13:24.933)
She really is.

We Wine Whenever (13:28.804)
Yes. Mems.

Lori (13:29.468)
It's so funny. She says men's. Yeah, it's so funny.

We Wine Whenever (13:36.268)
as so kyle says that the she's wearing this long dress with this plunging neckline

Lori (13:42.738)
Yeah, where is she going?

Kelli (13:44.989)
Dead.

Lori (13:45.79)
I didn't say I didn't like it, but it's it's not like a spa day. It's not like a spa day at home. It's not that kind of dress. It's not that kind of outfit. Like, it's like comfy clothes. Like, where you going?

We Wine Whenever (13:49.327)
It's not a Serenity Spa dress. It's not a...

Kelli (13:56.765)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (14:00.453)
But the thing is they took off all the clothes and wore the robe anyway.

Kelli (14:03.379)
Exactly, that's what I mean. I thought, like, you know, like, remember when Kathy Waukele did her goddess night? I felt like Kyle looked like that kind of, like a goddess dress. And that could be for a serenity day, you know?

We Wine Whenever (14:19.781)
thought her dress was beautiful, but it just, it just hit me a little odd. wouldn't have said anything except for the fact that Dorit said something.

Kelli (14:28.701)
Yeah, Dory did say something. didn't... She was definitely throwing the shade.

Lori (14:29.95)
She was throwing the shade.

We Wine Whenever (14:31.297)
Is that, are those, is that your comfy? Are these your comfy clothes?

Kelli (14:35.569)
I mean, listen, a dress is comfy unless it's, you know, tight fitting, but that one wasn't. That was a nice, comfortable, flowy dress. I wouldn't have had a problem if Kyle decided to fly in a plane in that dress because it was so comfortable. It's a good, plain, flying dress. It's comfortable. And I'm not here to defend Kyle, but I got her on this one.

We Wine Whenever (14:39.661)
No.

We Wine Whenever (14:46.791)
that is a good plain flying dress.

Lori (14:49.235)
There you go.

We Wine Whenever (14:50.969)
Yes, yes.

No, you're not. No. The ladies go outside and they are greeted by the manly hand men. And Garcelle is there relaxing, laying down, getting her feet massaged.

Kelli (15:12.233)
She gets so comfortable.

We Wine Whenever (15:14.104)
And then all of a sudden Dorit comes over.

Kelli (15:17.265)
It's like right in her ear. I'm so sorry. I don't mean to bother you.

We Wine Whenever (15:19.503)
Sorry. Exactly.

And Garcelle is like, oh, you could see the look on her face. So, Dere's like, you know, the other night at the Viper Room, you know, when you said to me, like, how are you doing? I just want you to understand that, like, I, my reaction wasn't so much to you about what you were saying. It was more of the situation and, you know, what was going on. And I know,

Kelli (15:30.845)
Yeah.

Kelli (15:51.453)
which is totally believable.

We Wine Whenever (15:52.83)
Right. And I know that you and I haven't always seen eye to eye and you don't think that I own my stuff. And I just want you to know that I'm sorry I shouldn't have reacted that way. And Garcelle accepted the apology and she said she appreciated it. And I think that she really did. She did appreciate it.

Lori (16:13.918)
It did seem like she did now. See, on the after show, was saying that Dorit at the Viper Room was saying how like PK was like volatile and blah, blah. And in the midst, right before her and Kyle started going at it, Garcel had said, you know, like, how? Like wanting Dorit to get into it a little more. Right. And then her and Kyle blew up.

We Wine Whenever (16:37.888)
x yet expand on it

Lori (16:43.524)
And so then that's why, even though it seemed like ourselves was, it was ill timed, she was trying to go back to that question that she was trying to ask Dorit. So that's, you know, that made a little more sense to me when she explained it.

We Wine Whenever (16:59.714)
Yeah, that does make more sense. But I do like that Dorit was kind of owning her part in other situations that, you know. So then we see Boz and Kyle are talking and Boz asked Kyle about the text between her and PK and that she said she heard from Garcelle that the text was read. And she wants to know why it wasn't read to Dorit. And what can you tell me what it says?

Kelli (17:05.747)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (17:28.657)
And you could see Kyle's getting annoyed and

Lori (17:33.01)
Yeah, she gave her that bitchy sunglasses look.

We Wine Whenever (17:35.511)
Yeah. So she's like, you know, I'll, I'll tell you. And then Sutton walks over and interrupts and tells her, Kyle, it was more than that. First of all, you weren't in the conversation Sutton. Why are you sauntering over there and inserting yourself?

Kelli (17:37.224)
Yes.

Kelli (17:48.936)
Yeah.

Kelli (17:54.089)
if you needed some screen time.

We Wine Whenever (17:55.5)
Seriously, like, are you trying to help Kyle? Are you trying to hurt Kyle?

Kelli (18:01.801)
I think she just wanted to be on camera.

We Wine Whenever (18:04.002)
I just thought that that was so shady.

We Wine Whenever (18:11.768)
Buzz asked Kyle to read the text to her. Kyle says, why do you think I owe that to everyone? Sutton says, well, you're the one that brought it up. And Erica hears them talking and then she's like, no, no, no, we're not gonna do that. You need a search warrant to get someone's text. I was like, go Erica.

Kelli (18:33.639)
Yeah, but honestly at this point, just show her the fucking text. Like you not showing her the text is making the text a bigger deal than it has to be.

Lori (18:39.528)
Well, especially when you brought it out to other people. Right. And the fact that you showed it to everybody but her, I mean, come on. And what the whole problem is, no matter what, is that the punishment is not fitting the crime. The math is not mapping. She protested too much. Her reaction, it does not match the situation.

Kelli (18:47.667)
to other people.

Kelli (19:08.807)
No, if you don't think your text message is bad, show your text message to the person who thinks it's bad. Let them read it, let them see it, and have a discussion. And I think you're right. I think what you said last week is right. I think she meant, well, I think that they covered this in the episode. She meant like, production's not gonna know, nobody on the show's gonna know.

We Wine Whenever (19:37.187)
Right.

Kelli (19:38.397)
what you've, what we've, I would never bring up on camera what you and I have discussed. I think you're right, that's what it meant. If that's what it meant, just say it, show it and say it.

We Wine Whenever (19:43.725)
Right.

Lori (19:51.56)
Well, she did. Didn't she? She did. She said eventually she did. Right. Right. Right.

Kelli (19:53.401)
eventually, but not at this point.

We Wine Whenever (19:55.831)
Well, she did. mean, at this point, she, you know, she's like, I just need to step away for a bit. And Sutton says, I don't understand this. And Erica's like, of course you do. And then Erica goes to talk to Kyle, you know, cause Kyle's crying and she's like, I can't do this anymore. Now, again, I do think that she's under a lot of pressure and a lot of stress with her situation. Cause Mo just recently moved out also, right?

Kelli (20:01.532)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (20:25.482)
They had been separated, but he was still living there. So now she's feeling the weight of being alone in this big house. And she's got a lot going on in her life too. And this is supposed to be a serenity spa day. And now the text messages are coming and everyone's coming for her. And she's feeling away about it. And I don't blame her to be honest with you. Okay.

Kelli (20:49.193)
However, Kyle has been in her fair share of groups of people questioning other people. So you can't say, how old are we acting like this? Well, you've been doing this for 15 years to other people, so.

Lori (20:57.16)
Well, I think that's the problem.

Lori (21:08.402)
I think that that's part of the problem. It's not just looking at it from right now. It's looking at it from her behavior in the past, what she expects and demands from other people and then not. And I think that's why later in the episode when Sutton is like, well, I'm not going to bow down to Kyle. Like she just laughed when if one of us did that, she would be being like, well, you know.

Kelli (21:19.08)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (21:31.159)
Right.

Lori (21:37.412)
What are doing? We need to test this out. We need to figure it out. Blah, blah, blah. But I think the bottom line of the whole text thing is that Dorit shouldn't have to ask Kyle not to text PK. That is something that she should have done on her own. I think that she didn't do it because I think it's her tie to Mo.

So I think that she didn't do it because it would be a further separation for her with Mo. I think that it was just this little tie that she didn't want to let go of. And I don't think that it was something like insinuous or inappropriate or anything like that. But I think that

In any other situation, she would have possibly been smart enough to say, you know what, this is probably not a good thing. But I think that because she was in the place that she was in, in her own head, that she didn't want to let it go. For her.

Kelli (22:53.125)
It does make sense because of how close PKMO are. They're spending time together. It's, you know, when you break up with somebody and it goes back to like middle school, like you want to stay in touch with people who know them so you can kind of keep tabs basically.

Lori (22:57.086)
You know what I'm saying? It's just that little tie, that little string.

Lori (23:03.878)
You lose your friends.

Right. And because that's been part of your life and it's another thing that you're losing.

Kelli (23:12.819)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (23:14.059)
Right. So then Dorit is like, I don't understand why they're over there talking about the text messages without me. Like, why is this conversation going on without me? So Kyle comes over and she's like, I'm going to read this text. I did nothing wrong. And then I'm leaving. I want to go home.

They tell her to sit down. Kyle's like, I don't want to sit down. I can't do this anymore. I'm not in good place in my life. I want to say one thing, I'm leaving. And then she starts crying. I love you. I love PK. I love your kids. I know that you know, you know, what you're doing is making me feel like I did something wrong. I didn't do anything wrong. I'm going to read this text once and that's it. So she reads the text and Kyle's like, I was not talking about sharing with you.

That's when she clarifies, I was talking about production. That's all I fucking said and now I'm done. I'm not gonna be made feel like, not to be made feel like I did something wrong. And then she storms out with her robe and her slippers on. I hope she grabbed her dress. And then Dorit and Erica go outside after her. And I was glad that Dorit went after her too, to be quite honest with you. And you know, Dorit's like, let me have a minute with Kyle.

Kelli (24:21.447)
I got it.

Kelli (24:26.75)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (24:32.06)
And she did, like she, you know, her and Kyle walked down the street a little bit and you know, they, talked and Dorit said, listen, I protected PK for a long time. And, know, he's not the person, he's not that person. Like he can be like, he can be a mean person and I protected him. And Kyle's like, well, I've never seen him like that. And she's like, right, right. She's like, you know, you don't understand. And Kyle said, well,

Kelli (24:55.625)
That doesn't mean it's not true, though.

We Wine Whenever (25:01.867)
they both had their moments and Dorit said, when you say that I won't say anything, Kyle said, PK doesn't share anything about your relationship. Dorit said, yes, he does. Because I know, I know PK. And, you know, he tells people things and Dorit doesn't think Kyle's being honest to herself. Like she's not being, not that she's lying to Dorit, she thinks she's lying to herself. And it,

kind of goes back to maybe what you're saying, Lori, that she thinks that, you know, like, this is like she's holding on to this because of she doesn't, it's going to be a further separation from her and Mo. Like, I don't think she's really seeing it for what it is, meaning that she's lying to herself about what's happening. Like she's not, again, I don't think Dorit sees it as her being malicious towards her, but she's not understanding

Lori (25:41.15)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (25:45.085)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (25:58.964)
Dorit's side of it because she doesn't see it.

Kelli (26:03.015)
Yeah, I totally agree with that.

Lori (26:05.47)
Now, when they were talking outside, anybody else notice this? Like, I don't know what Kyle's got going on. I don't know if she had like, a lot of people say she has veneers, it's the lip filler. Like, she was mumbling and wiping her mouth. Like she was drooling. She was mumbling. Like you couldn't, she was not articulating her words. was just like, what is, what do you got marbles in your mouth? Like, just a little sudden I was just like, what?

We Wine Whenever (26:08.34)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (26:32.721)
I thought I just thought it was because she was so upset You know like it's hard like when you're so upset and you're crying and it's hard to like catch your breath And it's hard to like you know

Lori (26:36.239)
I don't know what it was.

We Wine Whenever (26:41.587)
Yeah, she was crying. That's what I thought it was too, is because she was crying and she was upset.

Lori (26:42.545)
I don't.

Lori (26:47.248)
I don't know. I don't know what it was.

Kelli (26:47.335)
I do think she got another nose job though. Listen, no judgment, she looks fantastic. Kyle looks the best she ever has. But yeah, I was looking at her, I'm like, I think maybe she had her nose done again. But you know what, that can also be contouring. People are amazing with makeup, so maybe I'm wrong. And who cares if she did? How about it?

We Wine Whenever (26:49.778)
Really?

Lori (27:04.286)
Yeah, you can get different things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. But I don't know. She was just, she was just talking weird. She was talking weird. I don't know what it was. And I just got distracted by her lips. I was just like, I don't know what's going on. Sorry.

Kelli (27:19.01)
You notice so much. I know you are, like it.

Lori (27:21.275)
I'm that kind of girl.

We Wine Whenever (27:25.216)
So then Kyle leaves and Dorie goes back in, she talked to the other ladies. Erica said, I think she feels misunderstood. And then Boz jumps in and said, well, I see a conflict and I try and resolve it. That's what I do. So, uh-huh.

Kelli (27:40.285)
Real quick before that though, Kyle said when Dorit was saying things about PK and she's like, well, I never saw that side of him. Kyle says, could Dorit be painting a picture of PK acting like he's a monster? That's not fair to do to Dorit. exactly. So are you insinuating that Dorit's lying? Like that's not right.

Lori (27:57.886)
Mm-mm.

We Wine Whenever (27:58.803)
No, because she doesn't live with them.

Lori (28:00.85)
Right, she don't know.

We Wine Whenever (28:06.663)
No, I agree, that's not right.

Lori (28:07.538)
So was it in Kyle's confessional where she says she thinks like Dorit orchestrated it all to deflect from not being a good friend to Kyle in the first place?

Kelli (28:17.434)
I didn't even hear her say that, I don't think.

Lori (28:20.638)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (28:21.641)
I think that wasn't her confessional. Yeah, yeah.

Lori (28:23.174)
Yeah, I wrote it down. And I was like, well, what is it that Kyle's done to not be a good friend to you? I mean, what is it that Dorit has done to not be a good friend to you, Kyle? I was just like, what?

We Wine Whenever (28:32.166)
I know, I thought that was strange. Dereed's done. Yeah, I thought...

Kelli (28:34.665)
story's done. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (28:39.12)
I thought that was strange. did hear her say that. was definitely, yeah.

Kelli (28:41.211)
I didn't even catch that.

We Wine Whenever (28:48.264)
So what else? Jennifer, Jennifer, another Jennifer Tilly. She says, it's not a success unless someone leaves crying.

Lori (28:56.857)
there you go.

Kelli (28:59.657)
Bravo, ladies.

We Wine Whenever (29:00.574)
So then we see Kyle's at her house with her family. They're getting ready to celebrate Porsche's birthday, her 16th birthday, and the girls are there and then Mo shows up. We find out that Mo is taking Porsche to Europe in a couple weeks, which that sounds fabulous, right?

Lori (29:00.893)
Yeah.

Kelli (29:23.441)
Yeah. Mm-hmm. Very nice.

Lori (29:23.801)
Yes it does.

Sounds fabulous getting a Porsche for your 16th birthday too.

Kelli (29:30.127)
Yeah, my kids happened to be in the room at the time I was watching this. They were like, who got that car? Not you, mofos. Not you.

We Wine Whenever (29:32.93)
Lori (29:35.58)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (29:37.597)
Well, that's what happens.

Lori (29:38.866)
Yeah, got like the old used Chevy Nova with like a carbon monoxide leak. That's what I got for the first car. Yeah, it's great.

We Wine Whenever (29:48.861)
There you go.

We Wine Whenever (29:54.525)
So then we see Garcelle's beach house. She's there and Sutton shows up with her dog. Junebug? And Garcelle's dog, Kobe is there? Okay, just bring the dogs in.

Kelli (30:03.465)
June bug.

Lori (30:10.563)
Yeah, we dog people if you're dog people.

We Wine Whenever (30:12.923)
Yep. The ladies are talking about Kyle and storming out and Sutton doesn't appreciate it. But Sutton storms out too. I mean, she's done it many times for many reasons. But.

Kelli (30:29.659)
Yeah, I'm kind of with Sutton on this one though. I feel like Kyle beat feet out of there before she had to really face any heat. But I'm sure you're right. I'm sure Sutton's has done it as well.

We Wine Whenever (30:44.114)
Well, and that's when Sutton says, I, Sutton Strach, am not going to bow down to the altar of Kyle Richards. Which, again, was a little dramatic. Like, do we have to be so dramatic?

Kelli (30:51.305)
Mm-hmm.

Right.

Lori (30:55.23)
Well, it is a dramatic show.

We Wine Whenever (30:56.701)
I mean, that's true. That's true. then Erica, go ahead. Did you have something else?

Lori (31:01.916)
Yeah, I like how Garcelle like fucked up her chandelier as she was doing. was like, dude, don't cut that. Don't cut it. Don't cut it because it's all, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like, what are you doing? Don't cut it. Sorry.

Kelli (31:07.113)
my gosh, I was thinking the same thing. I'm like, no, they're all going to fall because there's probably a tie at the, there's probably a knot at the bottom preventing them from all falling down.

We Wine Whenever (31:17.199)
that was a chandelier I was trying to figure out what the hell that thing was.

Lori (31:18.534)
Yeah. Yeah, the chandelier.

Kelli (31:19.451)
I was thinking the same thing. I'm like, no, no, no, no, don't cut it. Don't cut it.

We Wine Whenever (31:25.315)
Wha- The shell thing was a chandelier?

Lori (31:28.538)
Yes, yes, yes, and it was hanging too low.

Kelli (31:29.499)
Yeah, and it probably had like a knot on the bottom of it so the shells stopped. You know what I mean? So when she cut it, there's no knot at the end. Now they're just gonna fall.

Lori (31:34.64)
Right. And then cut it to make it shorter. Right. It was hanging down too long. It was hanging down too long. So the real way to fix it is to fix it from the top.

We Wine Whenever (31:35.857)
Eh.

We Wine Whenever (31:46.161)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, I didn't even realize that. I just like, what is that thing? I didn't even realize it was a chandelier.

Kelli (31:46.312)
Right.

Lori (31:50.96)
I just noticed really weird shit.

We Wine Whenever (31:53.894)
Yeah, that's why we, that's why we keep you around Laurie. So then Eric and Dorit meet up and they're going to get facials because they didn't get to relax at Bose's Serenity Day.

Kelli (31:54.077)
Yeah, yeah, that's right.

Lori (31:56.776)
That's right, that's exactly it.

Kelli (32:06.269)
Don't you feel like we should have included bows in this?

We Wine Whenever (32:09.917)
No. Because Dorit and Boze have already had their little thing and Erica and Dorit, I don't think so. I don't think, and I think honestly, I think...

Lori (32:21.958)
Maybe Dorit set it up because she wanted to talk to Eric.

Kelli (32:25.873)
Right, I just felt like because Bose's day got so messed up, because of Kyle.

Lori (32:29.735)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (32:30.993)
I don't think at this stage of the game that Bo's personality and Erica's personality would go well in this situation with Dorit because Dorit is already bonded so well with Bozma and Erica is so alpha. I just don't, I honestly I think it, I just think it would have not.

Lori (32:49.63)
Yeah. And she's trying to play the middle. She's trying to be Switzerland. So I just wanted to let you know that they had a 60-minute facial. So that's 275 as I looked it up. But if you got 180-minute all-inclusive treatment, 725 for the Cadillac.

We Wine Whenever (32:53.415)
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah

Kelli (32:53.618)
It was a good call.

Kelli (33:14.281)
That sounds lovely. How much? $7.25?

Kelli (33:20.253)
Interesting.

Lori (33:21.338)
Yeah. I just saw the thing. said, let me see how much this is. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (33:24.475)
Hmm.

Kelli (33:26.653)
I need a facial.

Lori (33:28.38)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (33:29.349)
So Dorit tells Erica that she didn't like that, she didn't stick up for her. She felt like Erica should have stuck up for her at

Kelli (33:38.191)
I thought she was talking about Bose. I thought she said Bose didn't stick up for her and I was thinking, that's all Bose has done all season to stick up for you. Okay, that makes more sense. Thank you.

We Wine Whenever (33:42.139)
No. No, it was Erica. Erica didn't. Yes.

We Wine Whenever (33:53.135)
Doreen thinks that Kyle's interpretation of the text is not as simple as she says. And Erica once again says, understand both sides. You know, I need to see more proof. And this is, I was married to a lawyer wife, like that's how you are. And I wasn't married to a lawyer, but I would want to see more proof too. That's, that's, know, she's, Erica said she's not going to assume the worst because she knows what that's like. We know she's been through this, right?

Kelli (34:09.597)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (34:14.28)
Yeah.

Lori (34:22.728)
Right, yeah.

Kelli (34:23.837)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (34:23.885)
And Dorit thinks that she is scared of Kyle. I don't think Erica's, Erica is not afraid of anyone. Let's get that straight.

Kelli (34:28.425)
That's a bold statement right there.

Lori (34:31.538)
I don't think he's.

Kelli (34:35.081)
I don't think she's afraid of anyone. I think that Erica is a very smart person and she knows that if she stays on Kyle's good side strategically, she has a good place on the show. Just like people join the show and wanna be friends with Teresa Giudice. Like this is strategic, but I do not think Erica is afraid of Kyle and I do think that if Erica thought Kyle was wrong in a certain situation, she would say it. Just like she said, I wouldn't.

Lori (34:47.326)
Absolutely.

Kelli (35:01.509)
I wouldn't like you texting my ex-husband. You know, she told Kyle that, so yeah. But I do think she stays close with Kyle strategically, but that's okay.

We Wine Whenever (35:03.673)
Right, exactly, exactly, exactly.

Lori (35:10.526)
Hey listen, she's in a position where she needs, listen, there's no if, ands buts about it. She needs that fucking job. So she's very smart for doing it. Just like I think as nice as Boz is, I think she's smart like a fox, making friends with Dorit. I think there's some calculation there and it's not always necessarily a bad thing. It's just a smart.

Kelli (35:17.971)
She needs to hold that diamond.

Absolutely.

Kelli (35:26.301)
Yep. Yeah.

Kelli (35:34.695)
Right. I agree.

We Wine Whenever (35:38.363)
I do think though that when Erica was going through that really tough time with Tom, Kyle was always there for her.

Kelli (35:46.281)
Sure, yeah, she was.

We Wine Whenever (35:50.114)
When Dorit says to her, I think you're afraid of Kyle, that's when Erica says, you know, maybe this is time that I bow out of the middle of this. And I think that it's true. I think it is. I think it is time that she bows out. doesn't want to be in the middle anymore. And, you know, then Dorit says to her, if you knew it was true, are you going to be okay with that? And Erica kind of pauses and she's like, no.

Kelli (36:00.349)
I do too.

We Wine Whenever (36:21.763)
So.

Lori (36:23.4)
knew what was true.

We Wine Whenever (36:25.178)
the text messages that it was more than what she said it was. Like if it was more than that. If that...

Kelli (36:34.224)
Right. Right.

Lori (36:34.312)
Right, right, like them talking about Dorit together.

We Wine Whenever (36:40.248)
if there's something nefarious going on.

Kelli (36:42.025)
Because Dorit said, I know PK and Kyle talked about me because PK would come home and tell me that they talked about me. He told her things that he is unhappy about, she's told him things she's unhappy about. Like I know these things. So Dorit is looking at it from a different perspective than anybody else as she should. if she can prove, and Erica's saying I need more proof. So if she can prove it to Erica, Dorit's like, well, are you gonna be okay if.

We Wine Whenever (36:50.157)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (36:56.74)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (37:06.049)
Right.

Kelli (37:10.779)
I approve this to you basically, right?

We Wine Whenever (37:12.481)
Right, which was a valid question, you know? And Erica's like, no, I wouldn't be okay with it. But, you know, we don't know anything yet. So if Dorit has the proof and she can bring it to...

Kelli (37:15.283)
Sure.

We Wine Whenever (37:28.761)
So ladies.

Kelli (37:30.035)
But here's the thing, Dorit's only upset that Kyle's texting PK about her. Let's say it's true. Let's say Kyle's texting PK about her. She's only upset.

Lori (37:42.034)
Which I think it is, I think that that's probably true.

Kelli (37:46.789)
Right, but she's only upset because the dynamics have changed because now she and PK are separated. Prior to this, she would not have been upset because it was a friend confiding in a friend. Now it's territorial though and to Kyle she's like, but you're my friend. So you can't do that with him anymore. So it's kind of like Dorit changed the rules of the game, but didn't tell Kyle.

Lori (37:55.068)
It was not a problem. No, was, she already said she was, she wasn't upset.

Right.

Lori (38:11.314)
Right.

Lori (38:17.224)
But the point is, is that, like I said before, that's something that Kyle should have just known on her own. But like I said, I think in defense of her, which I'm not really a big fan, but in defense of her, I think that there's reasons why she didn't sever that when she probably should have, and maybe possibly even would have if her situation weren't what it was.

Kelli (38:24.478)
for sure.

Kelli (38:45.779)
I totally agree with you. I totally agree with

Lori (38:49.691)
out.

We Wine Whenever (38:50.755)
But like I said, I think that the time span of this whole thing happening isn't that long. And as soon as she found out, she said, I will never do it. I'm sorry, I will never do it again. As soon as she became aware of it, that's it, we're done.

Kelli (39:03.049)
she stopped.

Right. Right.

Lori (39:13.074)
I think maybe the problem is is that it wasn't like Kyle said, you know what, you're right, I'm sorry. I don't need to talk any smack with Kyle about you, know, blah, blah, blah. And I think it's the point of her trying to be like, it's just memes instead of just owning the fact that like, all right, I won't talk shit about you anymore with him.

Kelli (39:39.783)
The other problem is, is that we're on episode eight and we're still talking about a fucking text message. That is the real problem.

We Wine Whenever (39:45.273)
Exactly. It's like back to Lucy Lucy. Lucy Lucy, Apple Juicy. Stupid puppy gate. Like that's all we talked about.

Lori (39:49.416)
That's a grill.

Kelli (39:52.489)
Hey.

I mean, for the richest city in the country, can you come up with something better than a text message?

We Wine Whenever (39:59.779)
Yeah.

Lori (40:02.91)
All right, then a stupid fucking text message. Absolutely. That's real problem. So we'll see.

Kelli (40:06.601)
That's the real problem.

We Wine Whenever (40:11.512)
Yeah, we'll have to wait and see what happens next week. I don't have anything else for Beverly Hills, do you?

Lori (40:14.942)
you

Kelli (40:16.243)
Yeah.

Lori (40:20.293)
Nope, and I'm not.

Kelli (40:20.413)
No. No.

We Wine Whenever (40:22.302)
Okay, until next time, thank you for watching and listening. Please follow us. Bye.

Kelli (40:28.573)
Bye.

Lori (40:29.694)
Bye.