RHOP-Drag Kings and Deception

RHOP-Drag Kings and Deception
RHOP S9 E15 – "Old Rumors, Die Hard"

• Golfing with Karen and Ray: The episode starts with Karen and Ray spending time on the golf course.
• Giselle’s College Talk: Giselle discusses college plans with her daughters, focusing on family traditions and future goals.
• Ashley Embraces Drag King Persona: Ashley meets King Molasses and plans her debut as a Drag King at the ASHTOP Drag Show, highlighting her connection to drag culture and creativity.
• Salon Drama: Giselle visits Kiarna’s beauty salon, sparking a discussion about names and relationships.
• Flat Tire Fiasco: Wendy experiences car trouble but still joins the conversation about Karen’s weight loss and stress.
• Ray and Gordon’s Lunch: Ray and Gordon discuss custody, gout, and Gordon’s paternity test results, confirming he is Jeremiah’s father.
• Stacey’s Divorce Concerns: Stacey consults an attorney about custody, alimony, and her financial future, highlighting her personal struggles.
• Giselle’s Shopping Tradition: Giselle shares a heartwarming family tradition while shopping for her daughters’ school supplies.
• Stacey and TJ’s Relationship Tensions: TJ expresses feelings of being hidden, leading to an emotional discussion about Stacey’s divorce and their future.
• Karen Prepares for the Drag Show: Karen and Ray discuss her outfit choices and Gordon’s paternity situation.
• ASHTOP Drag Show: The ladies gather at Shakers for Ashley’s drag debut, with relationship updates and personal tensions coming to light.
• Ozempic Rumors Addressed: Giselle confronts Karen about weight loss rumors, learning Karen is on Semaglutide for health reasons.
• Mia and Giselle Clash: Giselle accuses Mia of lying about her divorce and custody arrangements, sparking a heated argument.
• Outdoor Confrontation: The group confronts Mia about discrepancies in her story, with tensions escalating during the conversation.

Takeaways

• Ashley is exploring her creative side through drag.
• Giselle is navigating the complexities of name changes post-marriage.
• Concerns about Karen's health highlight the seriousness of her situation.
• Gordon's demeanor during lunch shows a more composed side.
• Mia's paternity test results add drama to the storyline.
• Stacey's divorce discussions reveal her priorities for custody.
• Giselle's investment in a house reflects her financial savvy.
• The importance of legal agreements in divorce is emphasized.
• The hosts express admiration for Giselle as a mother.
• Stacey's relationship with TJ raises questions about timing and transparency. Leaving a marriage after 16 years is a significant emotional challenge.
• Loneliness can lead to rethinking past decisions in relationships.
• The drag show serves as a backdrop for personal growth and expression.
• Confrontations among friends can reveal deeper issues of trust and honesty.
• Paternity tests can complicate relationships and trust dynamics.
• Rehab and legal issues can impact personal lives significantly.
• The importance of being able to be alone before re-entering a relationship.
• Reality TV can amplify personal struggles and relationship dynamics.
• Support from friends is crucial during emotional turmoil.
• Personal growth often comes from navigating difficult life changes.

Transcript

We Wine Whenever (00:01.027)
Hi, welcome to We Why Whenever. I'm Wendy. We are talking about Real Housewives of Potomac, Season 9, Episode Number 15, Old Rumors Die Hard.

Kelli (00:03.53)
I'm Kelly.

We Wine Whenever (00:14.922)
So we start out with Ray and Karen. They're going to the golf course. Giselle and her girls are talking about going to college. Ashley meets up with King Molasses, the drag king.

Kelli (00:30.818)
So that was a woman dressed as a man, correct? Okay, thank you.

We Wine Whenever (00:33.164)
Yes. Yes. She has been watching him on Instagram. He asked her what made her want to become a drag king, because she wants to be a drag king. She said, she's hosted many drag shows and she loves the creative aspects of it. And she's getting into her masculine energy. Okay.

She's invited all the ladies and her friends and her family and her new boo to come watch her perform. And her character's name is Ashtop.

So Ashtop is the top part. It stands for ton of pussy. I was like...

Kelli (01:20.024)
okay. I didn't hear that explanation.

We Wine Whenever (01:24.565)
I wrote down Ashtop and I was like, what the heck is Ashtop? And then towards the end, she says something like, ton of pussy. I was like, I don't even know. I don't know what that means, but that's what it is. That's what her drag king name is, Ashtop.

Kelli (01:34.302)
okay. Okay. You got a lot of it? What does that mean? It's bigger than the average?

Kelli (01:49.976)
don't think she could have come up with something better, but you know what? I'm here for Ashley's creative outlet. I support it 100%. I'd go see her in her drag king show. Absolutely.

We Wine Whenever (01:59.777)
go see her too because you know what she does like to have fun I she she thinks she's entertaining I'm sure she is entertaining I don't know they do show a lot of clips though of her prior entertaining it's just doesn't yeah it's not great

Kelli (02:02.85)
She does.

Kelli (02:16.724)
So shady.

Kelli (02:20.682)
And they made sure they kept the clip in there and Wendy going, where is the auto-tune?

We Wine Whenever (02:24.685)
Hahaha!

Kelli (02:27.404)
That was shady.

We Wine Whenever (02:30.221)
Then Giselle goes to meet up at Kiarna and she goes to her Kay Stewart Beauty Salon. So nice.

Kelli (02:37.196)
So nice.

We Wine Whenever (02:42.293)
Giselle asks her if she's going to change the name when she gets married and she says that Greg would not marry anyone who would want a hyphenated name. And Giselle's like, well, how do you feel about that? And she's like, well, it's okay. Like this is going to be my professional, know, Kierna Stewart, Kay Stewart, this is my professional. And then my married name will be my married name. It's all right. And if she's okay with it.

Kelli (03:04.418)
think that's, yeah, as long as she's okay with it. Like I think that that's the way to handle it. When my sister was getting married, know, she and her husband were already in their fields and she didn't want to change her name because she was already in the field and people knew her. But she did wind up doing it. So, cause he felt a way about it and that's okay, you know? But if you have a business with your name on it, I understand what she's saying.

We Wine Whenever (03:24.618)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It's okay.

We Wine Whenever (03:33.472)
Yeah, why change it? Everyone knows that Kay Stewart, like that's her, you know, her business. Right.

Kelli (03:34.722)
Right.

Yeah, and legally she can change her name and, you we'll keep the business that way.

We Wine Whenever (03:43.454)
And then Wendy shows up and she has a flat tire. I thought it was weird that they showed this whole scene where she calls for service and the guy's like, well, your membership expired. And she's like, expired? Like, what's that? What do mean? What is that? He's like, well, I can renew it now.

Kelli (03:58.688)
It means you didn't set up autopay for your AAA.

We Wine Whenever (04:01.864)
Right. I thought that was weird and I thought it was even weirder yet when he gets there and says he's outside and says, okay, love. I mean, am I missing something here?

Kelli (04:12.226)
Yeah.

I mean, I thought that was a bold move on his part.

We Wine Whenever (04:19.339)
He had to know that he was on camera. I mean, he had to know that they were filming this. I don't know. That's stupid. It was just stupid. Then they start talking about Karen and Giselle is saying that she's really concerned about Karen, that she's not eating and Wendy's agreeing that, you know? And Wendy has always been like on Karen's side, always. you know, Karen was like,

Kelli (04:21.822)
Absolutely. Absolutely.

Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (04:44.406)
Yeah, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (04:48.842)
Like she takes Ozempic, what are you talking about? And they're like, what? No, she wouldn't. And then she's like, no, she said she's pre-diabetic. Like she takes Ozempic. Well, both of them are floored, both Giselle and Wendy.

Kelli (05:04.642)
Did you understand why they were, I mean, I understand like they were worried about her. But why, like I don't think it's a big, yeah. Because I don't think it's a big deal that Karen's on ozempic. I mean, I don't think she's on it because she's pre-diabetic. I think she wanted to lose weight. But who cares? Everybody, every housewife is on it.

We Wine Whenever (05:11.081)
Yes, that's why they were floored. That's why they were floored because they were worried. I don't

We Wine Whenever (05:25.353)
No, I think that they were floored because they were worried about her. And they had expressed concern to her prior to this. you know, she's like, well, I'm not eating. Okay. Right. Right.

Kelli (05:28.588)
They were worried.

Kelli (05:40.312)
But she didn't say why. I mean, listen, I'm sure Karen is nervous too. I'm sure that's got something to do with it. I'm sure she's not only not eating because of the ozempic.

We Wine Whenever (05:49.035)
It's so

We Wine Whenever (05:52.539)
Well, the interesting thing about this whole scene that reminded me of when we had this conversation about Teresa and it's one of our clips that gets a lot of feedback when I said There's no way she's on Ozempic I think she's lost a lot of weight because she's stressed out and you were insisting it was Ozempic and it's just interesting to me that this exact same conversation comes up about another housewives franchise

Kelli (06:18.263)
Yeah.

Right.

We Wine Whenever (06:22.085)
and everyone has very strong opinions about it. So I'm sure when this clip comes up, it's gonna be the same thing. People are gonna be like, you know, like for whatever reason, certain things people have strong opinions about.

Kelli (06:35.36)
Yeah, I don't know why these women don't just admit it though. But whatever. I mean, Karen admitted to Kiana.

We Wine Whenever (06:40.935)
Yeah, yeah, I'm right. Exactly. She did admit it to Keanu, but then we'll get there. Then we see Ray meets up with Gordon for lunch.

Kelli (06:54.242)
So this gives Gordon an opportunity to respond to the bullshit that Mia's been spreading all over the season.

We Wine Whenever (07:00.615)
It sure puts Gordon in a totally different light.

Kelli (07:05.91)
and he seemed very cognizant. He seemed very, you know, together, not erratic.

We Wine Whenever (07:15.07)
Right. That's exactly how I thought it was. He talks a little bit about his gout. He asks Ray how, you know, Karen's making out, you know, with the DUI and the accident. He didn't say DUI. And Ray says, the good news is that she's not injured and nobody else was injured. And Karen, you know, thinks she's going to be exonerated, which is so interesting to watch, just since we now know what's happened.

Kelli (07:19.138)
Yep.

We Wine Whenever (07:44.33)
Um, Gordon says that he has the kids 25 out of 30 days in June.

Kelli (07:53.825)
Interesting.

We Wine Whenever (07:54.728)
Yeah, Ray asked him about taking the kids while they were away in Panama and Gordon said that, you know, there were decisions that were made that I didn't agree with. And basically he did what he thought was right. Cause he thought that ink was going to have access to them. And he didn't want that to happen.

Kelli (08:14.956)
And I don't blame him, like listen, that's their father. If their mother's not around, they shouldn't be with Inc. He's not their father, he's not their parent, he's not their guardian, he's not their anything. He's their mother's boyfriend.

We Wine Whenever (08:21.663)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (08:26.471)
Right.

Right.

Right. Right.

Right. Which Ashley said on Watch What Happens Live that they are not broken up. That's where I heard it. Ashley said that Ink and Mia are not broken up. Even though that's what came out, she said that is not true.

Kelli (08:48.44)
That's interesting.

Kelli (08:54.008)
So Mia's still lying. Yep. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (08:56.338)
lying. That's what she does. She lies. Then we find out that he went and had the paternity test done and that he is Jeremiah's dad.

Kelli (09:12.588)
and me is known for weeks.

We Wine Whenever (09:14.449)
Yes. And I thought it was interesting what Ray said, that when Karen was pregnant with Raymond, she was saying there are blue and gray eyes in her family.

Kelli (09:27.116)
Was it, no, not her son when she was pregnant with, because her son is from her first marriage when she was pregnant with Raven. Is that what you said?

We Wine Whenever (09:35.464)
Oh, it was Raven. Oh, okay.

Kelli (09:38.194)
Raven, her daughter.

Yeah, because her son is not raised. I believe he helped raise him, obviously, but...

We Wine Whenever (09:43.677)
Okay. Okay, so it was Raven. Okay, so when she was pregnant with Raven, she was saying that there's blue and green eyes in her family. And Ray said, no, don't be saying that. And then they cut to the scene in the reunion where Karen's accused of dating Mr. Blue Eyes. So I thought that was very interesting.

Kelli (10:03.81)
New eyes.

Kelli (10:08.344)
We need to find out what color eyes rape has.

We Wine Whenever (10:12.563)
I don't think she has blue eyes. I think we would have noticed that. And then Gordon talks about that he suggested that him and Mia do post marital counseling, that the divorce is kind of on hold, that they're gonna try and work out the co-parenting thing and see how to make this work.

Kelli (10:14.424)
Nah, I don't think she's gonna do that. Yeah.

Kelli (10:34.648)
Unless one of them really is interested in getting remarried, why get divorced? Everyone's different in what they want in that situation. So, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (10:40.114)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (10:47.792)
Right, that's true. It's true, everyone is different.

Kelli (10:53.024)
It might just work better for them financially to stay married legally until the situation changes.

We Wine Whenever (11:00.06)
Right. Then we see Stacey meets up with an attorney about her divorce. She wants to make sure that she's making the right decisions. And the attorney asks her, know, what is it that, you know, what are the main things that you want? And she said, well, she wants Arabella during the school year and he can have her during the summer. And then she says she's agreed to waive her right to child support, which I thought that was odd.

Kelli (11:27.308)
Well, if she's gonna have main custody of her throughout the school year, what's he paying child support for? You know what I mean? no, then he would, yeah, then he would pay child support. but then she goes on to say that he pays for everything anyway.

We Wine Whenever (11:43.79)
Right. So, and then she asked, did you have a prenup? And she says, And then she said, well, or, you know, do you guys make about the same? And she said, no, he is very successful and makes substantially more than I do. So she said she's going to go forward with requesting alimony. And the lawyer, you know, points it out, like, well, why are you going to go for alimony and not child support?

And she says, well, because he pays for everything for Arabella, everything that she needs, and there's no way that he wouldn't. And the attorney says, just because it's that way now doesn't mean it will be that way in the future. These are the things that you want to have in writing in place. And then Stacey asks the attorney, how many women have come to you and sat here and said things to you that I said and then came back to you?

Kelli (12:23.925)
in writing.

We Wine Whenever (12:35.847)
and asked you to fix things for them. And she said, well, if I had $5 for each of them, I wouldn't be sitting here right now. I'd be on the beach somewhere. And she seemed shocked. And she's still maintaining that she's not going to ask for child support, which is clearly not the right move.

Kelli (12:53.432)
It's not the right move.

We Wine Whenever (12:55.878)
You're not protecting her. You're going to protect yourself and get yourself alimony in writing, then protect her and get child support in writing too. And get the custody in writing too. Get it all in writing.

Kelli (12:57.602)
Mm-mm.

Kelli (13:03.232)
Right. With child support. Right.

Kelli (13:10.38)
I mean, it would anyway, even in mediation, like they're not gonna be like all willy nilly about it. you know, there's a divorce decree that has to get filed. So those things have to get ironed out. But I think she probably went on camera and had this conversation. her, you know, because maybe her ex-husband was like, listen, you know, I'm gonna take care of her. And I'm sure he will, but people meet other people and fall in love and.

We Wine Whenever (13:25.041)
Yes, babe.

Kelli (13:40.874)
He might go on to have another family and things change. it's, yeah, like it's best to get everything in writing.

We Wine Whenever (13:44.977)
Well, that's what the attorney was saying.

Yeah. Yeah. Then we see Giselle is shopping with her two of her daughters for some school stuff. And she lets them know that she is purchasing an investment house near where a door goes to school. So that once she has a place to see when they visit, but she wants the girls to know about money and she's trying to get them set up so that

Kelli (14:18.837)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (14:19.066)
They will have things, you know.

they'll have things and she goes, the other daughter says, well, what about me? And then they start talking about the Christmas tree. And we find out that after, you know, she's been divorced for a long time, but after she got divorced, she had this tradition with her dad. Her dad would come with her and the girls and they'd always pick out the Christmas tree together and they'd always do that together. So that's gonna be the thing that they do. And that's gonna be the thing that's gonna, you know.

Kelli (14:45.878)
Yeah.

Kelli (14:50.476)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (14:53.431)
help them remember their grandfather and, you know, just bond them together. I think that that's nice. I think that, like I keep saying this, I think Gisele is an awesome mom. I think her daughters are amazing. And you know what, I wish them all well. I really do. I do.

Kelli (15:03.382)
Absolutely.

Kelli (15:10.796)
Me too, me too. I hope she's successful in court, but her father's will because that's a damn sin what she's going through.

We Wine Whenever (15:18.523)
Yes, it is. It really is. It really is. Then we see Stacey and TJ, they go out to eat and TJ saying like, don't, you they don't really do anything. And he asks, you know, why do you think that is? And Stacey says, well, because I'm not divorced yet.

Kelli (15:22.37)
Terrible. Terrible.

Kelli (15:34.678)
Yeah, she's still married.

We Wine Whenever (15:36.6)
So then she said when she got back from Panama, she really had a conversation with her soon to be ex and he's gonna be moving out, which I think that's good. I think that's good.

Kelli (15:46.87)
Yes. I mean, I would imagine now they have to be honest with her daughter.

We Wine Whenever (15:51.812)
Right, right. And so TJ is like, does that mean like I can now come to the house? No, TJ, no, it doesn't. No.

Kelli (15:59.607)
No.

Kelli (16:03.594)
It most certainly does not.

We Wine Whenever (16:05.593)
He's like, feel like you're hiding me. And then Stacy says, well, what do need for me to feel good about us? And he's like, well, I want you to tell your friends and your ex-husband that we're dating. Why?

Kelli (16:19.096)
Yeah, because this could heavily affect her moving forward with the divorce proceedings. Like if maybe her ex-husband, I mean, she's filming with this guy. So now, I mean, I don't know if her divorce is final, but now her husband's seeing that she's dating somebody, which again is so foolish. Like she should have came on the show by herself.

We Wine Whenever (16:35.982)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (16:40.196)
Yeah.

Kelli (16:42.648)
Because what if this pisses her ex-husband off and he's like, no, no, I'm not giving you alimony, you stepped out on the marriage.

We Wine Whenever (16:42.937)
I don't know.

We Wine Whenever (16:48.677)
Right, or maybe he sees that, what we see about this guy TJ, and is like, I don't want Arabella around him.

Kelli (16:58.23)
Right, right, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (17:00.835)
Right? I mean, that's what I would be afraid of too.

Kelli (17:04.439)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (17:06.767)
So Stacey said, if I do that, that will make you feel what? And he's like, well, it signifies a change in your life. And she's like, yeah, but it makes me look like the life that I'm leaving now. And I don't want to feel that. I'm sad about that. don't want to do that.

Kelli (17:28.758)
You can tell she's not 100 % comfortable with the divorce. I mean, and it doesn't mean that it wasn't her idea. Maybe she recognizes that a change needed to be made, but that change is scary.

We Wine Whenever (17:42.792)
Well, we don't even know whose idea it was. We don't know whose idea it was.

Kelli (17:45.196)
We have no idea. Hopefully she's back next season without TJ and we get more of the story.

We Wine Whenever (17:51.905)
I would like to see that, I really would. So then TJ starts to get emotional and says, you know, I don't want you to think that I'm pressuring you. Like, you know, I have to realize that you have a lot to go through and I want you to know that you're not gonna be alone and I'll be here for you. Well, you know, she makes a very valid, he's never been married before, he has no children, he has no idea.

Kelli (17:53.815)
Yeah.

Kelli (18:13.196)
Yeah, right, it's only been him. He's only had to be concerned with him, which is okay, but try to see it from her perspective where she does have a daughter to be concerned with. leaving a marriage after 16 years cannot be easy, whether it's your choice or not, it can't be easy.

We Wine Whenever (18:19.383)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (18:32.292)
Right. Exactly. Speaking of leaving a marriage, I don't know if you listened to the latest podcast that Teddy did with Tamara. Was it with Tamara or was it with Erica? It might have been with Erica. I've actually started listening to them again a little bit. I think it was maybe with Erica. I do like the...

Kelli (18:51.873)
I didn't listen either way.

We Wine Whenever (19:01.164)
Erica one's better. anyway, she was saying that she's like, rethinking.

Kelli (19:02.465)
I do too.

Kelli (19:13.751)
I think they're totally gonna try to work things out.

We Wine Whenever (19:16.42)
She's rethinking what she's done. She's rethinking the divorce. She's very lonely. They were talking to a therapist. It was Erica. They had a therapist on and Teddy was talking about how, you know, she's talked to her therapist about this. it wasn't a therapist. You know who it was? this is so good. I can't believe I'm not remembering this. So the Wolf of Wall Street, Jordan Belford, his wife in real life, she is a therapist in California.

I think in California. So after he got arrested and all that happened, she got divorced. She went back to school and she got her like masters in psychology and then she went up, think getting her like PhD and I believe she wrote a book herself. And she was talking, it was a very good interview. She was talking about...

Kelli (19:47.16)
I didn't know that.

Kelli (20:03.896)
Good for her.

We Wine Whenever (20:14.999)
you know, like Teddy and her were talking and Teddy's like, listen, I talked to my therapist and she's like, that's, you know, that's a very real thing to be lonely. Like that's, that's okay. You know, you're separated and Erica's like, yeah, I, you know, I was lonely too. So she is rethinking it. So I thought that that.

Kelli (20:34.498)
hope she doesn't just go back to him though because she's lonely. Like is she just that type of person that can't be alone? You have to be able to be alone.

We Wine Whenever (20:41.642)
No, I think it's just the whole thing with the nesting and not being with her children. you know, it's, I can't imagine, especially with her children are so young.

Kelli (20:54.304)
Yeah, I mean he stepped out before she's been honest about that and they worked it out. So listen, I would like to see them stay together. I always liked them as a couple. Hopefully they can work it out. I'm glad to hear that.

We Wine Whenever (21:06.433)
Yeah, I hope they work it out too. I do too. Go back to Potomac. Sorry, I go off like that sometimes.

Kelli (21:13.354)
No, I'm glad you brought that up because I didn't listen to it. I will. I will listen to it. How amazing for that woman though to go back and get her master's degree after what she went through. God bless her.

We Wine Whenever (21:17.546)
Yeah. So then

We Wine Whenever (21:22.655)
Yeah, yeah. And she's been remarried for many years now and she's very happy. Yeah. Then we see Karen's getting ready to leave to go to the the drag king show and she's outside talking to Ray and he's, you know, they're trying to figure out her outfit and

Kelli (21:26.242)
Good. Good for her.

Kelli (21:36.694)
And he says, why are wearing so many short stuff lately? And she said, it's my mating call. He's like, I don't give a shit. You can wink at me. could be your way, your mating call.

We Wine Whenever (21:39.746)
Yeah.

Yeah, she's so funny.

We Wine Whenever (21:50.274)
Ray's such a good guy.

Kelli (21:53.59)
I love him. I love scenes with Ray. I always have.

We Wine Whenever (21:55.836)
I know, I know. So then he starts telling her about his lunch with Gordon. you know, Karen says that Mia said she had full custody and Ray's like, I don't think so because, you know, Gordon had the kids 25 out of 30 days in June and unless the judge did something and then all about the paternity test, she goes on to tell Karen. So,

The ladies then arrive at Shakers for the drag show and Kiana is there first with Giselle and Wendy and she's telling her telling them that her and Greg, you know, are having a little bit of growing pains just moving in together. You know, she's had a tough day and Wendy asks her, like, do you think being part of this group is affected the relationship? And she says, yes.

Kelli (22:46.272)
Yeah, I mean, you could tell he's just, mean, that immediate question that he asked, like, all these divorces because of the show? I mean, he broke the fourth wall on the show. He's nervous. Sure.

We Wine Whenever (22:48.49)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (22:55.978)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, which I get. And she was assaulted on the show. So like there's that too, right?

Kelli (23:04.856)
That too. You're right. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (23:10.69)
So then Karen shows up and Giselle is telling Karen that she's been concerned about her body and her not sleeping and her losing weight. And Giselle says, Kay told me that you're on ozempic. And Karen's like, well, no, I'm not. And yeah, she said, no, I'm not. And then Kierna said, well, she said, I'm on a semi-glutide. Karen says, I'm on a semi-glutide. And Kierna said, a semi-glutide is the ingredient that's in ozempic.

Kelli (23:26.154)
She said no, I'm not.

Kelli (23:38.77)
pulled a Margaret Joseph. That's what Margaret Joseph used to say.

We Wine Whenever (23:40.103)
Yes, yes, yes. And then, you know, she said, well, you know, people in her family are diabetic and she's pre-diabetic. So then she admitted, you know, to it. Then Jacqueline and Mia arrive.

Kelli (23:55.618)
Well, first Wendy comes in and they asked her, like, you're not really in touch with your manly side. And she said, I came as what every man wants, a hot piece of ass.

We Wine Whenever (24:03.858)
That's true. That's true. That is true. Yeah. And then Mia and Jacqueline come in. One has got a black cat suit on. The other one has a red cat suit on, neither of which are the masculine. Then Karen asks to speak to Gisele privately. And first she says, you know, thanks for, you know, addressing that. She didn't mean thanks for addressing that. She just wanted to let her know what was going on with Mia.

Kelli (24:07.138)
That was amazing.

Kelli (24:17.911)
masculine.

We Wine Whenever (24:33.663)
Then she tells her what's going on with Mia that she heard from Ray. So Giselle's like, I'm gonna go over there right now. So she goes over there to me and says, you you've been lying to us the whole time. And Mia said about what? Giselle says everything. The divorce, Gordon says the divorce is on pause. Mia said, Gordon's word is more important than mine.

And then Wendy says, maybe we should go outside. Giselle's like, well, you're known liar. I like that Wendy moved it outside.

Kelli (25:12.906)
Yeah, because instead of Mia sitting there listening as soon as they got outside, she started verbally attacking Karen.

We Wine Whenever (25:21.704)
Yeah, but again, inside is not the place to be having this conversation.

Kelli (25:27.456)
No, absolutely not. Not at your friend's show.

We Wine Whenever (25:30.536)
Right. At a small venue. So yeah, the ladies go outside, they start yelling, Karen and Mia, Karen said Mia,

Kelli (25:32.952)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (25:44.321)
Karen said Mia watched her, Mia watched her kid for five days, because she goes on to say that, you know, Gordon had them 25 and Mia had them five. And that he had them the rest of the month. Is that true? Mia said lies. G told Ray that he was his son, that he had a paternity test and you knew about it and you've known for quite some time. And they just start yelling back and forth at each other.

Kelli (25:53.079)
Right.

Kelli (26:12.118)
Right, that's when Mia lost her shit on Karen and started saying, you know, bringing up the DUI and bringing up her cheating. And Giselle says, okay, great, she got a DUI, we know that, move on. Okay, great, you're saying she stepped out? We all know that too. Giselle said that. Like basically we all know Karen cheating on Ray. So.

We Wine Whenever (26:14.336)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (26:29.15)
Yeah. Yep, because...

Right. Yep, but she was trying to move it along. She was trying to move it along.

Kelli (26:37.25)
For sure. But when she said that in her confessional, I was like, this is gonna, this should come up at the reunion.

We Wine Whenever (26:43.614)
Well, we know it can't come up at the reunion because Karen and Karen and she resigned. I don't know if that's true or not. Like we haven't seen that.

Kelli (26:46.6)
Karen's not there. That's right. I don't know if it is either because somebody put it on Facebook and I went immediately and checked her Instagram page and I didn't see it. So the girl who put it on. So I said, is this really true? It's not on her Instagram page. And the girl who posted it said she took it down. And then somebody, no, somebody else answered and said that wasn't Karen Huger's page. That was her. That was the Karen Huger parody page.

We Wine Whenever (26:57.438)
Yeah, there was nothing there.

We Wine Whenever (27:07.904)
Kelli (27:16.3)
that put that up and took it down. So it wasn't even on, from what I understand, I don't think it's true. mean, I don't doubt she probably will resign. Right, but I don't think that post that was out there was true.

We Wine Whenever (27:18.207)
We Wine Whenever (27:22.259)
So it wasn't true, not yet. Right.

We Wine Whenever (27:29.107)
Well, she may be fired.

We Wine Whenever (27:34.609)
Okay. Yeah, so we know that she didn't go to the reunion, that she entered rehab. That statement was put out there, official, right?

Kelli (27:43.659)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (27:45.279)
And we know that the timing was she went the day of the reunion or the day before the reunion and her sentencing is in about a week or so.

Kelli (27:58.422)
which will happen while she's in rehab.

We Wine Whenever (28:01.662)
Well, she has to... remember I said there's no reason to an adjourn? This is the reason. This is the reason to have it adjourned. Unless she does it virtually. Nah. I would... No.

Kelli (28:02.774)
unless they get an adjournment.

Kelli (28:07.864)
Right.

Kelli (28:18.612)
Yeah, she could definitely do it virtually.

We Wine Whenever (28:21.181)
Yeah, she could. This is gonna be interesting. We'll have to wait and see because it's very rare to have a adjournment for a sentencing. But if she is in rehab, you know, let's do it virtually.

Kelli (28:25.366)
gonna be interesting. Yeah.

Kelli (28:30.168)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (28:35.052)
I think they can do it virtually, but we'll see.

We Wine Whenever (28:37.415)
Well, we will see what happens. Also, the Bravo Docket said that they are going to discuss it once it happens. So I'm happy to hear that. I'm happy to hear that.

Kelli (28:44.416)
I heard that, yep. Yeah, and by the way, the last time we were talking about the Bravo docket, I did not know and you had said it, I looked it up, Tom Girardi's house was repossessed, whatever, foreclosed, whatever, the bank took it back. Yeah, so I don't know what they were talking about when they said her interest is in the, maybe they said the property.

We Wine Whenever (29:00.827)
Yes, for the bankruptcy.

Kelli (29:12.308)
and maybe the property is something else. So that if she had to pay something back on his behalf, she would have that invested interest. I don't know. I mean, listen, it was a long podcast. can't go back, man. But the house that they, but the marital home was taken back by the bank. So that's not what they were talking about.

We Wine Whenever (29:22.942)
Yeah.

Yeah, no, I get it. I get it.

We Wine Whenever (29:31.998)
Yes, yeah, because I remember that happened a couple years ago. Like it was a big, yeah, it was a big deal. It was a big deal. So what else? I guess that's it, right? We have to just.

Kelli (29:36.768)
Yeah, I don't even remember that.

Kelli (29:41.57)
Yeah.

Kelli (29:46.474)
Yeah, so I mean, of course, during all of this, then so so Giselle says, you know, G had a paternity test and you've known that he's the father and you haven't said anything. And Jacqueline. Of course, you know, jumps in and Giselle's like, no, this has been going on for a year. This has been questionable. Like, if you know the answer, why aren't you telling us? So that, you know, I mean, everything else aside,

We Wine Whenever (29:55.666)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (30:01.896)
jumps in.

We Wine Whenever (30:11.816)
Right.

Kelli (30:16.438)
how many days he, cause Jay could be lying about having the kids 25 days out of 30. I mean, who the hell is going to prove it? I don't think he's lying. I would say Mia's lying, but, but the paternity test you can't lie about.

We Wine Whenever (30:29.83)
No, that's what Jacqueline said. Jacqueline said, well, we just found, I just found out two days ago and it was a home test. They're all home tests. They're all home tests. You put the saliva in the thing and you send it off. I mean, they're all, yes, yes, they're all home tests. I mean, really? Come on.

Kelli (30:39.234)
Are they?

Kelli (30:44.118)
right, right. Just like 23andMe and all the other bullshit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kelli (30:54.112)
Yeah, she's riding too hard for Mia. You got it, like, because everybody's seeing who Mia really is. mean, I don't see anyone on social media defending Mia anywhere.

Right? Like normally you see somebody coming up for somebody.

We Wine Whenever (31:08.561)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (31:11.951)
No, I don't see her being defended at all. And you're right, as all this is going on, Ashley's coming in another door dressed up with her hair really short and like a tank top on, but she's going to get into her like real drag outfit. They have her do a shot before she's going to get into her drag costume.

Kelli (31:32.76)
You know when she came out in that tank top, I'm like, she can't be wearing that up on stage, right? Her boob, like, aren't you trying to look like a man? You got these nice perky boobs. So they're probably gonna tape them down. But we didn't see Josh come in yet, right?

We Wine Whenever (31:37.532)
Her boobs are too big. Right. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (31:46.393)
No, we didn't see Josh get there yet. So, you know, we didn't see her perform. So next week should be good.

Kelli (31:51.288)
Yeah.

Yeah. Did she say on Watch What Happens Live if she's still with Josh? Okay, good.

We Wine Whenever (31:58.161)
Yes, she did. Yes, she was with him that day, actually. He was there with her. And yeah, they're doing well.

Kelli (32:03.2)
I'm glad.

I wonder if Gisele ever went on a date with her guy.

We Wine Whenever (32:12.317)
I don't know. Hopefully we find that out at the reunion. Or maybe Giselle will be on Watch What Happens Live, too.

Kelli (32:16.79)
Yeah. Yeah, I'm sure he'll ask.

Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (32:24.093)
All right, I guess that's it for Potomac. Okay, until next time, thank you for watching and listening to We Why Whenever. Bye.

Kelli (32:27.352)
It sure is.

Kelli (32:33.474)
Bye.