RHOSLC- The Dinner Table Showdown

RHOSLC- The Dinner Table Showdown

RHOSLC S5 E16: "When All is Said and Done"

Day 4 in Puerto Vallarta:

• • Meredith wakes up with a scratched cornea; heartfelt conversation with Heather about communication struggles.
  • Tribute to Lisa lunch: Everyone dresses up as Lisa Barlow and impersonates her, leading to playful jabs and escalating tension between Lisa and Whitney over rumors.
  • Heated argument: Whitney accuses Lisa of being fake, leading to a shouting match and Lisa threatening legal action.
• Splitting Activities:
  • Horseback Riding: Mary expresses anxieties about safety, critiques Meredith for riding despite her hearing issues.
  • Ceviche Making: Light-hearted moments as Angie humorously misinterprets Spanish and Heather jokes about "cooking hot dogs" with lime.
• Evening Drama:
  • Luxury dinner: Mary feels betrayed by Angie comforting Britney. Angie shares emotional vulnerabilities about abandonment issues, connecting with Mary in a tearful exchange.
  • Meredith confronts Whitney over accusations of Lisa planting negative rumors. Heather urges everyone to cut toxic connections.
• Burn Book Moment:
  • Each cast member reads aloud past hurtful texts, leading to emotional confessions and tense reconciliations.
  • Lisa and Whitney’s feud escalates with shocking accusations, culminating in Angie throwing flowers at Lisa.
• Final Reflections:
  • The group attempts to "burn the past" by sharing their grievances, but unresolved tensions remain.

Takeaways

• The episode's confusing start left viewers questioning if they missed something.
• Meredith's dramatic portrayal of her eye issue was criticized.
• Kelli believes Meredith is just a character on the show.
• The tribute lunch for Lisa was a humorous highlight of the episode.
• Whitney's return policy on clothes sparked a debate about authenticity.
• Lisa's aggressive behavior towards Whitney raised eyebrows.
• Brittany's role in the drama was deemed unimportant by the hosts.
• Mary's emotional state influenced her reactions throughout the episode.
• The horseback riding scene provided comic relief amidst the drama.
• The final dinner showcased unresolved tensions and emotional confrontations. Mary's abandonment issues stem from her childhood experiences.
• Angie's empathy plays a crucial role in their friendship.
• Conflict resolution is more effective through vulnerability.
• Reality TV often manipulates narratives and credibility.
• Success can change personal dynamics and relationships.
• Emotional manipulation can lead to parentification in families.
• Understanding each other's past can foster deeper connections.
• Friendship requires effort and understanding from both sides.
• The importance of addressing issues directly in relationships.
• Authenticity is key to maintaining healthy friendships. Cultural dynamics play a significant role in friendships.
• Words can have a lasting impact on relationships.
• Maturity is essential in conflict resolution.
• Regret can lead to personal growth and understanding.
• Friendships can be tested during confrontations.
• The power of words can escalate tensions.
• Resolution is possible, but requires effort from all parties.
• Understanding each other's backgrounds can foster empathy.
• The aftermath of conflicts often reveals true character.
• Future relationships may evolve from past conflicts.

Transcript

We Wine Whenever (00:01.024)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:03.543)
I'm Kelly.

We Wine Whenever (00:06.285)
We are talking about Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Season 5, Episode Number 16. This one is called When All Is Said and Done.

Kelli (00:16.686)
because it was the season finale,

We Wine Whenever (00:18.711)
Yes, it was a season finale.

Kelli (00:20.716)
Were you too confused when the episode began? Did you feel like you missed, like I was like, did I miss an episode? Because it started and then it said, and then it went back.

Lori (00:20.816)
and all was said.

We Wine Whenever (00:32.246)
Yes, it did do that. I hate when they do that, but...

Kelli (00:34.7)
Yeah, because I really thought I missed an episode.

We Wine Whenever (00:37.548)
Yeah.

Yeah, no, I agree. I don't like when they do that, but that's kind of their new go-to. They've been doing that a lot lately. So after that little flashback, we go to, it's actually day four in Puerto Vallarta. Meredith woke up at four o'clock in the morning with a scratched cornea.

Kelli (00:46.412)
Yeah.

Lori (00:58.862)
It was not a scratch cornea. She is so friggin dramatic. If you had a scratch cornea, you would not be sitting there. That shit is so painful and serious. She got a little fucking eyelash in her eye or something coming out with that stupid thing on her face. Stop. Stop it.

Kelli (00:58.958)
She looked a mess.

Kelli (01:08.92)
painful.

Kelli (01:14.712)
Agreed.

She looked a mess though. I mean...

Lori (01:22.874)
And who we- and who wears a-

Kelli (01:23.659)
I do a little bit tonight too, but you're on the camera girl. Well, so am I.

Lori (01:27.856)
And who has a fur, who wears a fur eye mask in a tropical location? It's hot there. Like, what are you doing? What are you doing?

Kelli (01:37.452)
It's just...

She's just a character of herself, I think. I don't think anything about her is real or genuine. I just think she's just a character of herself on this show.

Lori (01:43.142)
Huh.

Lori (01:50.758)
Sorry, I just, I couldn't, I couldn't do it.

We Wine Whenever (01:51.934)
No, that's quite, it's quite, it's quite all right. So I'm looking at my notes and I don't know if you guys like saw this or it occurred to you, but so Heather and her are talking and Heather said, I don't think you've ever yelled and screamed at me before like that. And Meredith says, I don't feel like I'm heard unless I lose it. But then she says, this is where I was confused. Meredith says, well, she led this morning with an apology and an explanation for her behavior. I didn't hear any apology.

Kelli (02:18.219)
Now, and who was she talking about, Brittany?

We Wine Whenever (02:20.802)
No, she was talking. I don't know because she said this to Heather. It was only her and Heather. They're talking and then she said this. I led this morning with an apology and an explanation of my behavior and then Heather said I accept your apology, but we never. Yes, but what did she call her in the morning and they agreed to meet there like I don't even know.

Kelli (02:39.264)
I'm sorry, Meredith was saying it about herself.

Kelli (02:46.358)
And why wasn't production there to catch it?

We Wine Whenever (02:49.099)
Like what was the apology, but what was the explanation of her behavior? Like, I don't know what it was.

Kelli (02:53.229)
Right.

Lori (02:56.016)
You know what it is for me? It's like a child and my husband, like they talk and I just don't even listen. Like I don't even remember anything she says. Cause it's just like, la la la la la la.

We Wine Whenever (02:57.804)
What?

We Wine Whenever (03:08.811)
So, Heather tells the ladies when they're done sitting there to get ready for their tribute to Lisa lunch. And all the ladies are going to dress up like Lisa. I actually thought that was funny. I thought that was...

Kelli (03:20.224)
I loved the dress as Lisa at lunch. Me too.

We Wine Whenever (03:22.913)
I did too, I thought that was funny. And when Lisa sees them all, she's speechless. And like Meredith said, she's never seen her that way before. And in her

Kelli (03:33.804)
Yeah, you could tell she was genuinely surprised. Yes.

We Wine Whenever (03:36.553)
Yes, yes. And that she loved it. Like Heather said, like, you know, she hates a theme, but the theme of Lisa is a theme she could certainly get behind. Right? And in her confessionals, she shaded Whitney, you know, for wearing her three-year-old Tom Ford pants.

Lori (03:40.089)
Of course.

Kelli (03:44.682)
Absolutely. Yeah.

Lori (03:45.001)
absolutely.

Lori (03:53.966)
I saw a cute post that Whitney put out. She must have been somewhere on vacation. She's like, I'm just chilling in my three-year-old Ford pants, living life. good for you.

We Wine Whenever (04:04.894)
I'm sorry.

Kelli (04:09.314)
first I was like, no, Whitney has tags on her outfit. And then I realized what she was doing.

We Wine Whenever (04:12.882)
Yeah. Then we get, yeah. So they get to the restaurant and Lisa says, I have a reservation for eight Lisa's and they're, they all keep saying at the table and at the restaurant. I love that. I love that. Like Lisa says, was like, they've got to stop.

Kelli (04:30.819)
That was good.

Lori (04:30.844)
You know what? Seeing that many of her was absolutely nauseating.

We Wine Whenever (04:35.476)
Hahaha!

Kelli (04:37.901)
Not for her!

Lori (04:38.076)
I never want to see that many of her ever again. Ever.

We Wine Whenever (04:38.656)
Hmm

We Wine Whenever (04:43.595)
Yeah.

Kelli (04:43.766)
Not for her, man, she was in her glory.

We Wine Whenever (04:46.238)
Yeah, well, until Whitney stood up. So then they were all gonna do impersonations of Lisa. So a bunch of them stand up and they kind of mock her with her own phrases, like that's their impersonation. But then Whitney gets up and she, you know, she turns around and she walks away and Lisa's like, my God, your tags are still on. And she goes, yeah, that's cause I'm gonna return it after the trip. Like that was epic. Like great job, Whitney. Like I loved it. I really loved it.

Kelli (05:11.662)
But I don't believe that about Lisa, you?

Lori (05:15.184)
Who knows? Who knows? Who knows? And we just don't know. I mean, on the after show, it was said that there are definitely rumors about Lisa borrowing her friend's clothing and saying it's hers. And, I love the after show. And Bronwyn said that it is absolute fact.

Kelli (05:17.142)
Yeah, right. Maybe, maybe. And we just don't know.

We Wine Whenever (05:33.908)
Yes.

Kelli (05:34.666)
Interesting. I gotta start watching these after shows.

Lori (05:44.112)
that she has seen Brittany returning shit. She's seen it with her own eyes. Yes.

We Wine Whenever (05:47.902)
Brittany, yes, that's what she said. Yes, yes. Yeah, I started watching the after show too, because Lori's been talking about it. The interesting thing is there's only an after show for Beverly Hills and Salt Lake. There's not one for New York or Potomac. I'm like, what about the other shows?

Kelli (05:49.179)
Brittany, believe, for sure Brittany, I believe.

Lori (05:56.166)
love it.

Kelli (05:57.486)
Yeah.

Kelli (06:03.8)
That is interesting.

Lori (06:05.018)
Yeah.

Kelli (06:06.892)
And they don't even have the same production companies, right?

We Wine Whenever (06:10.048)
Salt Lake and New York have the same, yeah.

Kelli (06:12.704)
Right, but New York doesn't have an after show.

Lori (06:13.434)
Yeah, New York doesn't have. New York's not interesting enough to have a fricking after show. Let's just say that.

We Wine Whenever (06:14.995)
No.

We Wine Whenever (06:19.156)
Yeah.

Kelli (06:19.182)
I totally agree with you, especially after the episode the other night.

Lori (06:20.879)
Okay,

We Wine Whenever (06:24.672)
So then Whitney says, it's been rumored for years that you return your clothes. Lisa says, you can check my closet. That's not true. And Whitney says, well, maybe then, you you're more fake than you think you are. And then she's like, I'm not fake. And she tries to grab her wig. She reaches over to grab Whitney's wig off of her head. Lisa does. Like that.

Kelli (06:47.17)
Did you see the gentleman covering his daughter's ears?

We Wine Whenever (06:50.558)
I did not. I did not.

Lori (06:50.595)
yes, the baby sears. yes, yes, yes.

Kelli (06:52.974)
They flash to this guy and he's covering his daughter's ears because eventually it gets so escalated.

We Wine Whenever (06:58.431)
Yeah, but that was so aggressive of her to, you know, to reach over and to try and rip her wig off. You can't be Lisa and rip, I mean, come on. This is supposed to be in fun. Like you can't take it. Like give me a break.

Lori (07:10.56)
No, she cannot take it. That is exactly it. She cannot take it.

Kelli (07:13.09)
She can't take it.

We Wine Whenever (07:18.537)
I mean, the words that they're saying, like, you're a mean, nasty liar. You know, it's just, you lied about my marriage. I'm like, they're in a restaurant. It just, and then Lisa says, I'm gonna, Lisa says, prove it, and then I'm gonna sue the F out of you and take your effing house.

Lori (07:31.896)
yeah.

Lori (07:41.53)
Yeah, your new house. Yeah. So on the after show, the rant that Lisa went on talking about how just Whitney just is trying to copy her and Whitney doesn't know, Whitney must know, she doesn't know what it's like to have, you know, get boxes of Gucci and Versace and Chanel and get them pretty much every other day. And sometimes there's like 60 to

We Wine Whenever (07:43.655)
Yeah.

Lori (08:10.394)
boxes a day and sometimes you forget to take the tags off, but she wouldn't know that because she's just recycling her clothes. Well, you know what? That's not a bad thing. You close whore Lisa Barlow. There's not a bad thing. No, that's excessive. It's excessive and it's rude and it's unnecessary. So just like every other time, like

Kelli (08:23.382)
Yeah, I mean who needs 60 boxes of Gucci a day? That seems a little excessive.

Lori (08:37.734)
Listen to her as like listen to Jennifer Aiden, like you're trying to defend yourself with some stupid ass shit that is making you look twice as dumb as when you started out. So just shut up. Just shut up.

Kelli (08:41.218)
Yeah.

Kelli (08:50.316)
and shallow, you're right. They're very similar. mean, this situation is very similar with her trying to defend herself with that. I mean, that's...

Lori (08:58.266)
Just, just, no!

We Wine Whenever (09:00.38)
Right, 100%. So then Brittany jumps in and says, I don't even really know you, Lisa, but I don't think you're fake. And Mary said, yeah, why are you even talking, Brittany? Did everyone forget that you were recording them? And then Brittany's like, well, you've been torturing me, calling me violent, vicious. Meredith's like, you are. Brittany's, right.

Kelli (09:08.718)
Well, thank God Mary checked her, yeah.

Kelli (09:15.298)
Yeah.

Kelli (09:22.622)
And you're unimportant, Brittany. I'm sorry. You're very unimportant to this cast.

We Wine Whenever (09:27.707)
Right. And then Brittany's like, well, I may never recover from that. Meredith's like, I may not either.

Lori (09:34.576)
And you know, Meredith wanted to say, I really don't care whether you recover or not.

We Wine Whenever (09:37.871)
Right. No, she doesn't. No, she doesn't. So then Brittany gets up and she, you know, she walks away and,

Kelli (09:45.484)
She was waiting for somebody to come chase her.

We Wine Whenever (09:47.422)
I clearly don't have any friends here and Heather's like, you no, don't, don't get up. And then Angie gets up and goes over to her and then Heather gets up and goes over to her. And that's when Mary is saying like, why is she going over there? Like, why is she comforting someone who doesn't even like me? Like that's when Mary got hurt, which I was very surprised to see that. Like, but at least now we, you know, we saw that clip. I'm like, why did, why is Mary hurt by Angie?

Lori (10:12.41)
Yeah, Mary's like, let her go. She's no good.

We Wine Whenever (10:15.141)
Right, yeah.

Kelli (10:15.96)
So listen, we all know people like that. Like you gotta hate the people they hate. And I don't subscribe to that personally. Like I just don't. mean, unless you're rude to someone's kids or something like that, you know? But obviously later we find out why Mary reacted that way.

We Wine Whenever (10:35.803)
Yes, we do find out. And so this is just lunch. So then after lunch, they're gonna split up and they're not sure like where they're gonna go. So Mary, Meredith and Bronwyn and Lisa go horseback riding. Mary is so funny when she gets up on that horse. She's like, if I fall off the horse, then I'll get a broken bone, then I'll have arthritis, it'll be a defect forever. I'm like, what are you talking about? She just like.

Lori (10:59.77)
Yeah. It's so funny. Yeah. If you fall, if you fall and the horse falls on you, you will, you will be a defect. I was like, what? You will

Kelli (10:59.906)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (11:05.756)
Forever!

Kelli (11:09.666)
Those horses were going rogue though.

Lori (11:12.132)
Yeah, they were they were not having it. They were not happy. No, they were not happy. Yeah.

Kelli (11:14.003)
None of those horses seemed like they were, you know.

We Wine Whenever (11:15.479)
No.

And then she's saying like, why is Meredith riding a horse if she can't hear? You can't go horseback riding if you can't hear her. I'm just like.

Lori (11:25.34)
I don't know what you have to hear on a horse.

Kelli (11:26.018)
That was amazing.

We Wine Whenever (11:28.188)
Listen, this is one of the reasons I like Mary. She makes me laugh. Like she really does.

Kelli (11:34.754)
Yeah, and I personally think that if she were in a better head space, the thing with Angie probably would not have bothered her so much, but I think that she is just, you not in a good place.

Lori (11:45.466)
Yeah. Plus then when Angie doesn't go horseback riding and decides to go with them, that, know what I mean? Mary probably thought that, you know, Angie was going to go with her horseback riding and then she doesn't. Yeah, Mary's got a lot of shit going on.

We Wine Whenever (11:45.7)
Yeah.

Kelli (11:52.886)
Right. Yeah, it's abandonment.

Kelli (12:04.866)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (12:05.114)
Yeah. So then Whitney, Heather, Brittany, and Angie all go to make ceviche.

Heather says that Angie calls herself a chicarones, a chicaroon, because they're going to make a ceviche and the guy's name, he says something about chicaroon. Did you get that the whole part? So.

Kelli (12:31.47)
I didn't catch that. Who said it? Who said she calls herself a chikaro?

Lori (12:32.54)
Yeah, and the Sam is like, she thought it was boobs.

We Wine Whenever (12:35.948)
right she's like it's like chichi chicaron is like your boobs your chichis and i'm just like what is she talking about Angie Angie she's like i think it's your boobs i don't know i'm like angie no it's not your boobs so then they're talking about that the guy that's showing them how to make it that this marinated sea bass in lime juice for 50 minutes five zero

Kelli (12:40.472)
Who said that?

Lori (12:41.05)
No. Angie, she's making shit up. She's making shit up.

Kelli (12:53.102)
That's funny.

We Wine Whenever (13:05.269)
And Heather's like, if you can do that, like, why am I cooking hot dogs? Can I just put them in lime juice for an hour? I'm like, no. Exactly. No, that was Heather. That was Heather. That was Heather.

Kelli (13:14.626)
Why are you hot dogs, Meredith? It's fucking 2025, man. Oh, her...

Lori (13:14.83)
It's always right. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (13:24.668)
So when Mary's on the beach when they're doing the horseback ride and she says to Lisa, I think I'm done with Angie and Lisa's like, why? And she says that she's upset about her going over to Brittany and that she feels betrayed by Angie. I was surprised that she even opened up to Lisa, to be honest with you. I really was. Then we fast forward to the last night. They all finished their, you know.

Kelli (13:40.748)
Me too. Me too.

We Wine Whenever (13:51.365)
their activities and the last night is a luxury theme park and a private dinner. That was a weird combination.

Lori (14:00.604)
Yeah, it was weird. It was odd. It's very odd. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (14:02.488)
Right? I mean, what is, I've never heard of a luxury theme park.

Kelli (14:03.586)
Yeah.

Me neither, but I'd like to go to one. Because I like a good theme park. And who would not want a luxurious one?

Lori (14:09.244)
You what?

We Wine Whenever (14:11.779)
Yeah, I didn't get-

We Wine Whenever (14:15.959)
agree but I didn't really see any luxury theme park in the footage like yeah.

Lori (14:18.332)
Me neither. No. No. Yeah.

Kelli (14:18.996)
I did not. So if there's one out there, I'd like to go. I don't want to go to the one that they talked about because they didn't really go to one.

We Wine Whenever (14:24.695)
Great. Yeah, they didn't show us a luxury theme park.

Kelli (14:28.462)
It did not.

We Wine Whenever (14:32.123)
So they, you know, they do their last toast to the night, their night in Puerto Vallarta and Angie asked Meredith and Heather how they're doing since they had that, you know, that falling out the night before. Meredith says that they're on a positive trajectory.

Then they all get their food. I thought their food choices were weird too. Angie asked Mary if she wants a piece of her pepperoni.

Lori (15:00.06)
Yeah, who goes to Mexico and gets pepperoni?

Kelli (15:02.53)
I think it was like a pizza, wasn't it?

We Wine Whenever (15:02.841)
I know, pizza too, yeah, it was a pepperoni pizza. I thought that was so weird, but anyway.

Lori (15:07.974)
That weird.

Kelli (15:08.364)
Yeah. You know what, when you're staying at a resort and it's all inclusive.

We Wine Whenever (15:12.059)
They were in a luxury theme park. They were in a luxury theme park. This was their dinner. And what the freak is luxury? Right. I know, but what is luxury about pepperoni pizza? Yeah, exactly. Right? So Mary ignores her and she's like, you know, now when Angie says to Mary, like, you're being very quiet with me. Mary says, I know.

Kelli (15:15.884)
That's true. That's right. But with those resorts, like there's all different kinds of restaurants you can go to.

Lori (15:24.316)
about peace.

Kelli (15:27.554)
Must've been an upscale Chuck E. Cheese.

Lori (15:29.775)
If some

Kelli (15:32.61)
Yeah.

Lori (15:33.308)
horrible.

We Wine Whenever (15:40.886)
Angie says, what's going on? Mary's like, well, when Brittany went running out and you went after her, and then you could see like all of a sudden Angie's like, like what happened? You know.

Angie says, know, Mary, I love you. You changed my life. And she's like, give me your hand. She's crying. She's like, no, she's like, no. And all the ladies are sitting there and they're just quiet and they're just watching this like play out, which I was glad that they were quiet. I was glad that freaking Brittany didn't jump in. Cause I was, I thought for sure she was going to, right? Cause she's referred to Brittany. Like when Mary referred to Brittany, I'm like, my God, I hope Brittany does not open her mouth.

Kelli (16:07.392)
and know what to do.

Lori (16:13.83)
Say something stupid. Yeah, why not?

Kelli (16:15.128)
What about me?

We Wine Whenever (16:24.004)
but they all sit there and they're quiet. And Angie says, I see you differently than everybody else. I've gotten to know you in a different way and I don't like that you're shutting me out. Mary says, well, you hurt me. And Angie says, well, you're hurting me. And Mary said, well, I told you everything. She says, I know that's why you're hurting me right now. Mary said, because both of my parents abandoned me. We didn't know that.

Kelli (16:48.408)
We didn't know that. I mean, we knew that her mom, she's made comments that her mom always choose men over her and her siblings. But we didn't know, the first time we really heard her talk about her dad was when she was talking about him living near Jeffrey Dahmer. But she never said anything about him abandoning her then.

We Wine Whenever (16:54.655)
Right. Right.

Lori (16:56.508)
it.

Lori (17:01.626)
Jeffrey Dahmer. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (17:02.827)
Right, exactly.

We Wine Whenever (17:07.766)
Yeah, yeah. She said, my dad admitted that he didn't like me and my mom was my best friend and she cut me off and Mary's crying. I'm an adult with abandon, I know. I'm an adult with abandonment issues. I don't like when people betray me. I remember that feeling from when I was six years old. And you could see that this was real and my dad left and he told my mom, Angie says, I'm not abandoning you like,

Kelli (17:17.612)
Who does not love Mary right now?

We Wine Whenever (17:36.737)
I lost my mom too, like I get it. She has abandonment issues as well. And I don't think Angie, Angie was abandoning her when she went to go comfort Brittany. I think she was just being empathetic to someone else who was.

Kelli (17:43.202)
Jordan?

Lori (17:48.261)
No.

Kelli (17:50.678)
I totally agree with you. Doesn't this make you wonder though if this is why? So Mary's grandmother obviously was married to Robert Senior who was 20 years younger than her. So probably only 20 years younger than Mary, I'm assuming. Don't you think that this may be why her grandmother, because her grandmother placed her in line to marry Robert Senior and the mother basically wrote Mary off for good.

We Wine Whenever (17:59.788)
Right. Right.

Lori (18:01.701)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (18:15.852)
Yeah.

Kelli (18:19.756)
because the mother thought it should have been her. But maybe the grandmother was like, fuck you, you didn't do right by your kids all these years. Because she knew, the grandmother knew what was in line for, I mean, there was a lot of wealth that came along with that and a lot of stature. you know, maybe this is why the grandmother made that decision.

Lori (18:21.628)
That should have been her.

Lori (18:34.394)
Right.

Lori (18:40.218)
Yeah, maybe. But know, Mary's got a lot of walls up. infantile as it may seem looking at a situation that way, it is kind of understandable for her to look at it like that and have that knee-jerk reaction. But kudos to her that she knows. She called her own self out. She knows what she's got going on. And a lot of times...

Kelli (18:45.59)
Yeah, rightfully so, though.

We Wine Whenever (19:05.762)
Right.

Lori (19:08.794)
That's half of your bottle.

We Wine Whenever (19:11.372)
Yes.

Kelli (19:11.41)
kudos to Angie for not being like Fuck you. I just walked out to see how she was doing like Angie stuck in there and was like no no no no that's No, I'm not going anywhere. I don't want to go anywhere. I want to be in there

Lori (19:19.982)
Right, Yeah. Well, that's why I'm saying, thank God Angie was there enough to kind of break through that wall and be like, no, like that's not how it is, Mara. Like, let's look at this reasonably without saying that she said that.

We Wine Whenever (19:20.789)
Right. Right.

Kelli (19:29.569)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (19:34.026)
Right. Right.

Right. So then Angie says, I'm sorry that you feel that way. I do love you and I want to be your friend forever. Mary says, every time I pick up the phone, I want to say, I love you, but I'm not saying it first. I don't want to say it first.

Lori (19:53.382)
She's so cute.

Kelli (19:55.63)
She's like a man in the relationship.

Lori (19:57.552)
Yeah, okay.

We Wine Whenever (19:58.009)
Mary admits that she did find a real friend in Angie. And, you know, they're good now. Like, that's all they needed to get through that. And I'm s... That was honestly my favorite part of this whole episode, was the whole Angie and Mary makeup. And Angie being vulnerable, Mary being vulnerable, them letting them talk it out.

Kelli (20:12.366)
for sure.

Lori (20:14.992)
Mm-hmm.

Lori (20:21.946)
Way more enjoyable than all the screaming and yelling and nonsense. Way more, way more enjoyable.

We Wine Whenever (20:25.4)
Mmm.

Kelli (20:25.772)
Absolutely Absolutely

We Wine Whenever (20:30.018)
So then Meredith says, well, I do have an issue and a concern. I need some resolution here.

Lori (20:35.176)
Of course she does. She's such like a, like, she's like a mood killer. It's like, shut up.

We Wine Whenever (20:41.738)
Yep. Yep. She says, Whitney, accused Lisa of planning a story with a blogger about your jewelry being from Alibaba. The person that supposedly gave you this proof contacted me and gave me a very different story. Now we all know that that's Adam from Up and Adam. Like we know that, right?

Kelli (20:43.768)
Yeah.

Kelli (21:00.886)
Yeah, but think about when this was filmed because her story completely checked out with what he said. What Meredith, what Meredith said.

We Wine Whenever (21:07.841)
Who's story?

Lori (21:10.513)
Barrett's story does match what Up and Adam said, absolutely.

Kelli (21:13.622)
and think about the timing. Like they had taped this.

We Wine Whenever (21:15.979)
The thing is, I know the thing is though, know, production cuts to the footage where she's on the, Whitney's on the phone with Adam and he does say it's someone who owns a liquor brand. So what's really true? What Adam said that we don't have footage of to Meredith or what we heard the footage of? You know what I'm saying?

Kelli (21:31.073)
He does say that.

Lori (21:42.896)
Well, you know, yeah, but you can, mean, producers can, that's their job to manipulate shit. So who really knows? Who knows? That's no point, who knows?

Kelli (21:51.682)
They could have manipulated what he said.

We Wine Whenever (21:52.106)
Well, that's the whole point though. mean, that, well, those were his words that he said. We don't know if it was in reference to that question, but that's how it, that's how they made it sound.

Kelli (22:01.749)
Exactly.

Kelli (22:05.566)
It's definitely how they made it sound. But and he definitely, we heard him say that. It's somebody who owns a liquor brand.

Lori (22:12.303)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (22:14.091)
come, yeah, liquor brand. No, I just like, I wouldn't be surprised if he did give Whitney that information and then got in touch with Meredith and tried to stir the pot. And then he comes out with that story of what he told Meredith. You know what I mean? Like either could be true.

Kelli (22:31.022)
To me, you're foolish. Isn't your credibility worth more than that? Isn't your credibility worth more than having two minutes on a Housewives show where now you look like a liar and now your credibility shot? It's not worth it to me.

We Wine Whenever (22:48.556)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (22:55.339)
No, I agree. So then Lisa says, that's not proof. And Whitney said, well, it's no secret that you fed information to reality Von Teese. And Lisa's like, that's not true. And she's like, I'll pull out my phone and prove it. And Heather says, who told you this to Whitney? And she's like, well, I reached out to Monica. And the look on Heather's face.

Lori (22:55.546)
Yeah.

Kelli (23:09.159)
yeah.

Kelli (23:24.366)
I mean, who's gonna believe Monica? Monica has nothing to lose now. She looks like a big jackass from last season. She could say anything. Who would believe Monica at this point? She's the least trustworthy person that's ever, you know.

Lori (23:43.612)
I don't necessarily find Heather trustworthy either. Don't forget about how Heather was in cahoots with her hairdresser, who was in cahoots with Monica. Like don't think that, I wouldn't say that Miss Heather Gay is, you know what I'm saying?

Kelli (23:52.983)
Yes, that's true.

Kelli (24:00.295)
I'm not saying I believe Heather either, but I definitely wouldn't believe anything Monica says.

We Wine Whenever (24:07.296)
So then Whitney says, I reached out to her out of desperation because I was so sick of being called a liar. Whitney says, I felt backed into a corner by these two. And then Mary jumps in and said, you guys are not the friendliest people. Like Meredith says, are you talking to me? And she's like, yeah. You two gang up on people and make them feel like they're backed in the corner. And they do. and Meredith and Lisa, yes. That's who she was referring to. And that's the same thing that was happening to Whitney.

Lori (24:29.998)
And they do. They totally do.

Kelli (24:30.018)
Meredith and Lisa. Yes, yes, yes.

We Wine Whenever (24:36.733)
I was glad to see that Mary jumped in on that to be quite honest with you. then Heather says, this is the problem to Merritt. The fact that this man has access to you, you need to cut it off and change your number. And the same for you, she points to Whitney. And we all know, like she's referring to Adam. Heather says to them both, like consider the source.

Then Heather goes off on this little monologue. Now, I don't know. I think that either she is a very good actress, she must be, because she also had the monologue at the end of last season, right?

Kelli (25:16.843)
Absolutely.

Lori (25:17.098)
yeah, she knows how to give a speech. She could be a politician. I love Whitney's juvenile double pointing of the fingers. I loved it. I loved it. when she was saying, don't point at me and she's like, like nini nini ha ha ha ha ha. I liked it. I liked it. Yeah. It was very nini nini ha ha.

We Wine Whenever (25:20.798)
Yeah, I mean-

We Wine Whenever (25:29.235)
What do mean the double pointing of the fingers?

Kelli (25:31.347)
When Lisa said, don't point at me, she was like,

Kelli (25:37.258)
Exactly, Nanny Nanny

We Wine Whenever (25:40.725)
So Heather starts her monologue with, look at us, we're obsessed to find the receipts and you have a stranger trying to put you two against each other. Every day we have to put on our armor to face the things that the world is going to say about us, to become accountable for the things that we do. We are judged by the things that we do. We are judged privately. We are judged publicly. But we understand it hurts when we're called bad mothers. It hurts when someone attacks our business.

Lori (25:44.785)
definitely a monologue.

We Wine Whenever (26:10.747)
It hurts when someone says we are ugly. These are the... You're interrupting my monologue?

Lori (26:13.146)
Wait, stop right there. I am. she says that, when Heather says, hurts when someone calls you ugly, the camera panned right to Brittany. Panned right to her. was like, ooh, okay. No, she just had like a stupid face on, no.

We Wine Whenever (26:18.9)
Wait!

Kelli (26:29.07)
Do it, really?

We Wine Whenever (26:29.236)
What was her face? Did her face react to it?

Kelli (26:32.226)
Really?

We Wine Whenever (26:37.566)
So that was the cameras saying that, yeah, people.

Lori (26:40.272)
That production panned right to her.

Kelli (26:41.496)
Somebody must have been behind the camera holding up a cue card for Heather to read all that. She didn't come up with that on top of her head.

Lori (26:47.639)
No. No. No.

We Wine Whenever (26:49.449)
Well, I think she memorized it. So, okay. It hurts when someone says, we are ugly. These are the types of things we have to fight in the world. We shouldn't have to fight these at this table. We made fun of Monica for having a burn book and we all have our own burn books. But our burn books are not, no, but our burn books are not like a curated copy of Mean Girls. A curated copy of Mean Girls? But it's in our-

Kelli (27:05.806)
So now she's defending Monica?

Kelli (27:13.634)
Somebody wrote this for her.

Lori (27:13.894)
She worked for a long time on this speech.

Kelli (27:16.91)
for sure.

We Wine Whenever (27:17.096)
But it's in our phones. None of us are without fault. We've all said horrible, hurtful things about each other when we should have been honoring, celebrating, and keeping this place safe and private. I'm like...

Lori (27:30.532)
And does everyone stand up and salute and say the Pledge of Allegiance

Kelli (27:33.416)
Exactly! Like what the fuck is this? What was that?

Lori (27:41.37)
I know.

We Wine Whenever (27:41.428)
So then she says, I thought we got rid of this problem last year, but we didn't. But we're going to solve it tonight. I think what we do is we pull out our phones, we go through our text messages and find the worst thing we said about someone at this table. We hand them the phone and they're going to read it out loud to the group. We're going to burn it and move on.

Kelli (28:02.008)
This is the stupidest idea I've ever heard.

Lori (28:05.316)
And who came up with it? No. No. Yes.

We Wine Whenever (28:07.092)
production. Whoever wrote the monologue came up with it.

Kelli (28:07.149)
Heather.

Kelli (28:10.868)
Exactly. So I know we're going to get into what the text messages said, but at the salon, my friend Danielle was like, I can't wait to hear what you guys say about Salt Lake City. So I said, you know, I said to her, you know,

Lori (28:12.869)
Yes!

Yes!

We Wine Whenever (28:16.225)
Hmm

Kelli (28:29.358)
I have texts, you know, I text people all the time.

Those text messages, I don't have anything in my, and I'm, you know, I'm texting all the time. I don't have anything in my text messages that are anywhere near as nasty and mean as cutting as these text messages. To me, it just seemed very odd that these text messages were sent to people about.

Lori (28:56.292)
Right, that they existed. And how about odd that they were readily at hand.

Kelli (28:59.288)
Yeah.

This seemed very staged to me and I talk shit, don't get me wrong, I talk shit. I know better than to put it in writing though. But these were very detailed, very nasty, vile messages.

Lori (29:02.63)
Some of them were from like months ago. Of course it was dead.

Lori (29:10.948)
Right. But very staged.

Yeah. And no one was sitting there for 10 minutes thinking, let me find that text. Scrolling through their old texts from last year. No, no, no. Of course it is staged show.

Kelli (29:22.124)
Yeah, like, you know what? I remember I sent that one text message about Bromwin. Yeah, let me go pull that up. I don't know. This seemed very staged to me.

We Wine Whenever (29:35.027)
All right, so Meredith said, I think that that's absurd. Heather says, well, who wants to start? Mary says, I'll go first. And she hands her phone to Heather. Hers was pretty, I mean, yeah. Heather from day one, I never felt heard by her or accepted from this group. She changed the day she became successful. I think it went to her head. She started getting aggressive and throwing all the things she's accomplished in our faces.

Lori (29:47.644)
Spot on.

We Wine Whenever (30:01.467)
instead of being grateful for her blessings. It's turned into competitive and super mean, all while she's enjoyed the feeling of fame. She's forgotten the people who helped her get to where she is, and you are truly happy and proud of her, like I have been and always will be.

Kelli (30:18.168)
Spot on.

We Wine Whenever (30:19.579)
Yes, it is spot on.

Lori (30:19.61)
bottom. And I think a lot of it had to do with, you know, first her book, but then her weight loss. I think after that, she was like, okay, well now I'm in the cool girl section and fuck is all. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (30:34.236)
Right.

Kelli (30:34.656)
Exactly. Yep.

We Wine Whenever (30:39.474)
So then Heather's response is, understand why you said those things. I think it's unfair because I lost a lot of things. And I understand when I became more successful, I'm aware of the things I lost and the person I became. I like her better and she's more authentically me. So when she was referring to the things that she's lost, it's her community. When she wrote the book and she came out with Bad Mormon, she lost her family and her community.

And she did lose a lot. I kind of liked her response, you know? She feels like this is really who she is, but you know, this is who I am, take it or leave it kind of thing. That's what I got from her with that. I know my life has fundamentally changed. I know who I was five years ago when I met you. I had zero hope of my life and my future, zero ambition. I just wanna...

Kelli (31:10.584)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (31:37.905)
I just wanted to plug along, not screw up my kids, and be put out to pasture. But the success I've had fueled me to want a second chapter.

Kelli (31:47.17)
And now she's writing another book.

We Wine Whenever (31:49.048)
and then she says she doesn't want her newfound confidence to come across as mean.

Kelli (31:55.352)
Just stop being up Meredith and Lisa's ass and you'll be fine.

stuffing an embryo in their coochie, as Garcelle would say.

Lori (32:03.716)
Yeah, there you go. There you go. And then you'll be fine.

We Wine Whenever (32:08.112)
Then she says, I don't want the newfound confidence to come across as mean. Mary said, I know Heather's changed and I know she's different. Mary said, this is the Heather that I used to know. This is her tonight. Heather says, clean slate. Mary says, love you. And Heather says, love you. And they end it. They let it go, which is good. Then Brittany's like, I'll go next.

Kelli (32:24.366)
Great. Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (32:31.44)
So stupid, just so stupid, just so so so stupid. So stupid.

Kelli (32:33.006)
She's just so unimportant, so unimportant.

We Wine Whenever (32:36.166)
I just, I don't get it. I just don't get it.

Lori (32:39.888)
And Mary's like, I'm not going to your house anyway. Like, shut up. Yeah, I'm uninterested.

We Wine Whenever (32:44.027)
Bye.

Kelli (32:44.044)
Yeah, I don't... Good, I'm glad you would rather have tea with Brahman.

Kelli (32:50.85)
Great, we're all on the same page. Move on.

We Wine Whenever (32:53.269)
Yeah, I know. Exactly. So hers was that she would rather invite Braun Winow for tea instead of Mary. I mean, everyone at the table is like, that's the meanest thing you have?

Lori (33:07.044)
Yeah, I don't know if I believe that either. Yeah. Come on.

We Wine Whenever (33:09.154)
Nobody believes that! How could you believe that?

We Wine Whenever (33:14.545)
Then Bronwyn hands her phone to Brittany.

Brittany is emotionally manipulative. I didn't look up this word. She parentifies her children. Trauma bonds her relationship and is doing it to us. It's below her intelligence level and her maturity level. It makes me feel furious and embarrassed for her. Braunman says, every time I spend time with Brittany, I feel like it's the weird trauma dump and it's uncomfortable.

Lori (33:46.108)
I think it means that almost the roles are reversed with her children. her children are more in the parental position and she's in the child's Like that that's how emotionally stunted she is. she, you know what mean? I'm pretty sure that's what she's trying to say.

We Wine Whenever (34:05.423)
Yeah, I mean that could be.

We Wine Whenever (34:10.288)
Then Brahman says after she reads it, she's like, it's harsh. Brittany says it's extremely harsh and you don't know enough about me to know anything at all. Brahman says, I'm sorry. Brahman said, I would like to get to know a different side of you. But you know, this is what you've shown me.

Lori (34:25.596)
Right, this is what you shown everybody. I thought it was...

We Wine Whenever (34:27.556)
Right.

Kelli (34:27.576)
So parentification is when a child is forced to take on adult responsibilities before they are ready. So yeah, exactly what you said.

We Wine Whenever (34:34.69)
Yeah. And yeah, I think that was spot on too.

Lori (34:39.941)
Absolutely.

Kelli (34:41.164)
Yeah, I mean, they're with their dad, her girls, right? They're with their dad. So, I mean, they do have a parent, but we don't see her with her girls, so we don't know what kind of relationship they have. So maybe that is the kind of relationship they have. And we don't see it, but the other cast members have seen it because they've heard her on the phone with them or FaceTime with them or something like that.

We Wine Whenever (34:41.582)
whole yeah yes

Lori (35:06.394)
Right. Yeah, I think she's too busy trying to be friends with them.

We Wine Whenever (35:11.822)
Well, or just.

Kelli (35:12.066)
I think she's probably doing whatever she can do to have some kind of relationship with them because of the choices she's made and continues to make, obviously, because she's still with that douchebag.

Lori (35:14.855)
absolutely.

Lori (35:18.929)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (35:19.118)
Yes. Right. Right.

Lori (35:23.515)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (35:24.398)
Yes. Then Angie says, I'll go next.

Kelli (35:28.898)
Oof, this one was hard to listen to.

We Wine Whenever (35:32.046)
I sent this to Heather, but I wrote a little ditty about Bronwyn. And this was bad. Bronwyn seems nice. I like your business plan of marrying a guy who got one foot in the grave and the other one on a banana peel, but I like mine better. I'm self-made. She's nice, but she doesn't listen because her ears are stitched down to her face too tight. She wears a hot dog outfit to remind us that she sucked her way to the top.

Kelli (35:58.794)
Man, that's so bad.

Lori (36:01.222)
Listen, Angie is a Greek. And if you're, no, I'm serious. If you're going to have friends that are Greek, they lose their ever loving fucking mind. And then a little while later, it's all good and everybody's supposed to be okay. But I'm telling you, I'm telling no diss to Greeks. is a cultural thing. It is just something that happens. And if you're going to be friends with them, you have to, you might as well have a very thick skin because

We Wine Whenever (36:01.434)
So bad.

Kelli (36:16.215)
Yeah, well.

Kelli (36:29.272)
You gotta have thick skin. That, I don't know though. That's pretty fucking harsh. She sucked her way to the top. You don't know her like that. And even if you did, she didn't do anything to you to deserve that.

Lori (36:34.651)
Well...

Lori (36:42.82)
Right. To deserve that. Right. I'm not saying it was right in any way, shape, or form. And I'm not saying that I would necessarily even say, you know what, you're Greek, you had a bad day, okay? I'm not even saying that. I'm just saying that I have Greek friends and they can be like wicked, wicked. But on the other hand, there's...

Kelli (36:46.742)
I know, I know.

Kelli (36:55.522)
Yeah.

Kelli (37:02.53)
Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (37:08.774)
Greek friends that I have are people that I could call and say, there's a body.

We Wine Whenever (37:16.899)
Okay.

Lori (37:17.572)
And they'd be like, and they'd be like, all right, I'll be there with the shovel and we'll never talk about it again. I'm just saying. Yeah.

Kelli (37:17.934)
Absolutely. Say no more.

We Wine Whenever (37:21.135)
You

Kelli (37:24.366)
Say no more. You're back your art or mine.

We Wine Whenever (37:26.179)
Okay.

We Wine Whenever (37:29.581)
Okay. Angie says, wrote the text in the heat of the moment after camping the way Bronwyn treated me.

Lori (37:35.362)
Eh, the heat of the Greek moment.

We Wine Whenever (37:38.351)
was confused. knew I was one of the only ones that defended her. And Angie said, I realized watching her read it, the damage my words can do to someone and I deeply regret it. And listen, that's awesome. That's awesome that she realized that, you know? Because those words were horrible. Bronwyn's crying.

Kelli (38:00.77)
mean, somebody would have to seriously fuck with my kids for me to say that about.

We Wine Whenever (38:06.425)
Bronwyn's crying, Angie says, I'm sorry, Bronwyn. Bronwyn says, you don't need to be sorry, it's how you feel. Angie said, it's how I felt at the moment. Bronwyn said, you probably feel that way because of the way I've treated people, but I'm taking it in and it's a clean slate, we're moving forward. Again.

Lori (38:23.236)
I love how we, I love how Angie said, I like your hot dog costume.

We Wine Whenever (38:28.074)
Right, right, I know.

Lori (38:30.044)
It's funny.

But wow, so really, quite frankly.

I think what happens here in this episode is you see definitely from most of the group, a decent level of maturity and being able to take something that somebody says, being able to take it in that moment, digest it and let it go. think that... Did Meredith read anything? No.

Kelli (38:57.346)
Well, except Whitney. I mean, except Lisa with Whitney's. And Meredith. And Meredith. Yeah, she can't handle shit.

We Wine Whenever (39:00.14)
Lisa and Meredith, and Meredith.

We Wine Whenever (39:05.428)
No, she got up and left. She had no intentions of reading anything. She protested.

Lori (39:08.873)
huh, no. From the get go. No.

Kelli (39:09.55)
She definitely did not and Lisa didn't either, right? Cause we only got as far as what what did Lisa write?

We Wine Whenever (39:13.964)
No, Lisa did. No, no, Lisa did. Lisa did. Lisa said she'll go next. Lisa said, I'll go next. She hands her phone to Meredith. I wrote it last year. I feel like Meredith digs up information to weaponize it. She's fucking dirty and I don't like it.

Kelli (39:31.8)
She said, boy, how did I miss that?

We Wine Whenever (39:33.942)
Meredith says, given it was last year, I'm not surprised. Lisa says, yeah, I was super upset. That was it.

Lori (39:39.612)
And if you think that's the nastiest thing that Least of Barlow has ever texted about somebody, I can sell you a bridge.

We Wine Whenever (39:43.132)
No. No.

Kelli (39:45.334)
Listen, we've all heard her hot mic moment, so she for sure.

We Wine Whenever (39:47.265)
No, yeah.

Right.

We Wine Whenever (39:55.337)
Andy brought that up on Watch What Happens Live, the hot mic moment. And she said, well, I was just repeating what other people had said.

We Wine Whenever (40:07.701)
And Meredith and I are good now, like we're good. We spent so much time working on our relationship and Meredith and I are good. That's what she said. Right.

Kelli (40:14.958)
but we're not gonna talk about it anymore, because it's just gonna get me in trouble again.

Lori (40:19.526)
Wow, you know what? Listen, Lisa protesteth too much.

Kelli (40:23.874)
Well, I mean, let's get to it.

We Wine Whenever (40:24.183)
Yes. No, no, no, wait, we got to go to Heather first. Heather goes next. Sorry, we got to go in order.

Kelli (40:31.49)
I know, but these are so unimportant.

We Wine Whenever (40:34.477)
But she does Whitney's. Heather says, Heather said, I'll go next. She hands her phone to Whitney. Whitney is a low life, thirsty piece of shit. She sold her soul for fame and recognition. She's a snake and I should have never trusted her. And I carry her stupid wellness products even though I never sold a fucking one.

Kelli (40:36.203)
Alright.

Kelli (40:54.19)
She's talking about herself when she's saying all that, by the way, because she's the one who's a thirsty bitch, Heather.

We Wine Whenever (41:00.045)
How do you really feel? How do you really feel?

Lori (41:00.408)
There you go. There you go.

Kelli (41:03.468)
She really is. She's the thirstiest of them all, out of all of the Housewives, out of all of the franchises.

We Wine Whenever (41:10.007)
So Angie says, she didn't mean it. Whitney says, yes, she does. Heather says, I didn't mean it. I was upset and I was frustrated. Heather says, when you hurt me, it cuts much deeper. I love you. I want to be good with you. We're good. They both agree. They're good. They promise each other. They're going to move on. Then Whitney says, I'll go next. And she hands her phone to Lisa.

She says, wrote this text to Angie after I heard a rumor from a friend of mine.

So, I was at a party with Justin and this woman approached us and said, if we ever wanted to bring in a third, she's the one. In fact, Lisa and John can vouch for her. She's made out with Lisa while jerking off John.

Kelli (41:56.664)
Did you see Angie's face? I'll be honest with you, Angie's face kind of leads me to believe that there could be some truth to this.

We Wine Whenever (42:04.844)
Lisa says, what the fuck and throws Whitney's phone. Whitney said, I chose this because I've said things about your marriage and I don't believe this. Lisa said, cause it's not true. Whitney says, I want to burn it. Lisa points at Angie and says, I'm surprised at you. Like Angie had nothing to do with this. Like why are you surprised at Angie? Angie's like, why are you pointing at me?

Kelli (42:34.988)
And Angie just keeps saying over and over, nobody believes this Lisa, nobody believes this, nobody believes this. And then Lisa says something about Sean being in the circle jerk and Angie goes crazy.

We Wine Whenever (42:38.918)
Right. Right.

Lori (42:48.198)
Don't fuck with the Greek girl.

Kelli (42:50.06)
I know, but Angie was just sitting there telling her friend, don't worry about this, Lisa. Nobody believes this, nobody believes this. But then Lisa says something about her husband, hypothetically. I don't think Lisa was saying that Shawn was really involved in a circle jerk. And Angie pops off. Like, you can't do that.

We Wine Whenever (42:50.294)
Yeah.

Lori (43:13.692)
telling you, mess with the Greek girl. She looms her boob in the process, everything. Loops her mind.

We Wine Whenever (43:24.736)
Lisa says, crossed a line when you brought my husband into this. Lisa's yelling, stop fucking apologizing. You don't mean it. You're dirty as fuck. And then Lisa and her confessional says, to put my family in the mud like this, there's nothing lower than this. And Angie, like you said, keeps saying, I don't believe that there's any infidelity in your marriage. Like, please don't point at me. Cause she kept pointing at Angie when he said, I could have chosen to say something about your looks, but I wanted to be authentic.

Kelli (43:44.418)
Yeah, nobody believes it.

We Wine Whenever (43:54.474)
She's like, well, say something about my looks. She's like, no, I want it to be authentic. I want it to burn this. I want to put it behind us. Whitney says to Lisa, shut the fuck up and listen to me. Lisa says to Angie about the circle jerk. Angie picks up the flowers and throws them at Lisa. Security comes in. Whitney gets up. Mary gets up and goes over to Angie.

It was insanity. It was literal insanity. And on the after show, you know what Lisa was talking about? I paid for those flowers that Angie threw at me.

Kelli (44:23.212)
It was insanity.

Lori (44:30.114)
yeah, a bitchin' about how she paid for those flowers. I was like, you gotta be shittin' me.

We Wine Whenever (44:33.302)
Flowers, flowers, I'm like, what? Are you kidding me? That's what she said on the after show about the flowers.

Kelli (44:39.402)
Who cares?

Lori (44:43.418)
Yeah, Lisa said on the after show, Whitney is not on my level whatsoever. And she is so far beneath me. She could never climb up to me.

Kelli (44:55.534)
Why would you even say that's like a Kelly Bensimon thing? I'm up here and you're down here to Bethany. That's a disgusting thing to say. It's a disgusting way to think. You're on an ensemble cast, honey. You're no more important than Whitney. Everybody's more important than Britney, but Lisa is not more important than Whitney.

We Wine Whenever (45:08.767)
Yeah.

Lori (45:11.204)
Now on that after show, right.

On that after show, Lisa said the word like, I want you to guess how many times she said. What do you think? What's your guess? What's your guess, Wendy? On the after show.

Kelli (45:24.046)
33.

We Wine Whenever (45:30.187)
47.

Lori (45:31.708)
26, which is bad enough.

We Wine Whenever (45:34.05)
That is, I mean it's probably only 22 minutes long.

Kelli (45:34.54)
Yeah. Exactly.

Lori (45:39.132)
26 times and I'm sure I missed a couple.

We Wine Whenever (45:44.405)
So after that happens, it's pretty much over, then what happens is Meredith gets up and walks out.

Lori (45:53.638)
so she doesn't have to read anything.

Kelli (45:55.416)
That's right.

We Wine Whenever (45:55.467)
So she doesn't have to read anything. like I said, security comes in and Angie's over talking to Mary and Whitney are together. So then it shows up on the screen like Angie's like her picture and what her final line is. No longer being tied to the phone, Angie now has more time to spend with her father, leaving Electra free to roam. Her salons are busier than ever. Fortunately, high body count hair is not an offered service.

Then Lisa gets up in the midst of this and says, get this effing mic off me. And then Lisa's lines are, Lisa, John, and Henry have gone the distance this summer, traveling around the world first class and can't wait until Jack returns from his mission in six months. Meanwhile, Lisa and John have plans to build a new home, but no intentions to assign bedrooms.

Lori (46:47.312)
Yeah, I don't get that. Yeah, I don't get it.

We Wine Whenever (46:48.51)
I didn't get that either.

Kelli (46:49.728)
No.

We Wine Whenever (46:52.554)
Then we go back to the scene. Bronwyn says, there were horrible things said about my marriage. And then she said stuff about Angie's marriage. Just because she's upset, it doesn't make sense. Heather says, well, that's what this was about, leveling the field. We have to all burn it and move forward. Then that's when Meredith says, I'm out. So she gets up and walks out. Then we see her closing line is, since becoming a...

Bod Mitzvah, Meredith has been engaging more with her spirituality and selling out of her bath bomb. She is now pivoting from the beauty world to the espionage world and working on a signature pink MM recording device, Meredith Marks recording device. She will not be sharing her business plans with Whitney. I'm like, what?

Kelli (47:38.636)
God.

Lori (47:41.116)
Stupid. That was, yeah, it was almost like, it was almost like the producers got to the very end and were like, just whatever. they didn't even like think about what, yeah, like they didn't even think about those last tagline things. just like threw anything out there.

Kelli (47:42.434)
I mean, like she takes every.

Kelli (47:49.986)
Right. We don't even know what to do with her anymore.

We Wine Whenever (47:50.74)
Like they stopped.

We Wine Whenever (47:56.938)
So then we go back to the scene Heather says you guys this is the last way I wanted to end our trip. I'm so sorry I will say this I liked that everyone that got resolution got resolution because I really do think that those people can move forward and Be together next season and have a good season. I mean Lisa and Meredith I don't really think we need them because they don't know how to move forward and they don't know how to let things go

Kelli (47:57.996)
Right.

Kelli (48:27.042)
And they're not showing anything. They don't show anything. Quite honestly, who on this cast did show anything about their lives this season? Mary. Honestly, that's it. Heather didn't share anything about her life. Brahman did. Angie really didn't show anything about her life.

We Wine Whenever (48:36.05)
Mary.

Lori (48:38.502)
Bronwyn. Bronwyn did work.

We Wine Whenever (48:40.819)
Bronwyn, Bronwyn.

Lori (48:42.981)
Mom went dead.

We Wine Whenever (48:46.909)
Well, she did last season so much.

Kelli (48:49.07)
But come on, you're on a reality TV show. So Lisa didn't, Heather didn't, Angie didn't. Mary did, Bronwyn did. Whitney didn't. This whole season was about rumors and Britney.

We Wine Whenever (48:52.214)
What was there? mean.

Kelli (49:10.392)
who I don't care to know any additional information about.

Lori (49:16.08)
Well, know, Bron once said in the after show, she said, everybody's true colors are coming out. the people who want to have friendships, the people who can own their own shit and the people who are, you know, just fucking narcissist. And I think that's true too. And the only people upset about this is the people that are not real.

We Wine Whenever (49:36.723)
Yeah.

Kelli (49:44.407)
Right.

Lori (49:44.954)
And did you guys see at the end where Whitney says, it was very, and you know how she says that word healing. She said girl out and out said H I L L I N G. I'm like, what are you doing? Just saying that word completely like trashing it. Hilling.

We Wine Whenever (49:54.812)
Hilling, hilling.

We Wine Whenever (50:11.496)
All right, so then Mary's final line was, Mary, thanks God for the help and support Robert Jr. has received and they are taking recovery day by day. She's even more grateful that Jared has stopped DMing her. That was great.

Kelli (50:23.32)
That was hysterical. That was very, very, very good.

We Wine Whenever (50:28.808)
Bronwyn's final was, while her friendship with Lisa remains fraught, Bronwyn and Todd's relationship has grown stronger. Gwen still has no plans to meet her grandparents and Bronwyn has no plans to host a couple vacation unless Todd makes the guest list.

Lori (50:43.706)
Yeah, on the after show, Mary and Angie are talking and they're talking about Lisa. so Mary says to Angie something about like whatever it takes to wake you up. Like I guess Mary was trying to say whatever it takes for Angie to wake up in regards to her relationship to Lisa. So I guess...

Kelli (50:44.034)
They seem fine, right?

We Wine Whenever (50:46.108)
Yeah.

Kelli (51:11.096)
Lisa.

Lori (51:11.94)
Mary is trying to tell her, look, like, I know you think you have this great relationship with her, but it's really not. So.

Kelli (51:18.028)
Right, right. mean, Lisa's proven herself to be an extremely selfish friend. It's all about her. She's not gonna ask you how you're doing. She's not gonna, you know, she's not gonna be your go-to lean-on when you got an issue.

Lori (51:25.902)
Yeah. Well, like.

No. Right.

No. And like Brahman said in the after show, Lisa's concern for herself is so far above her concern for anybody else that Brahman says she doesn't know if anybody can even have a fair and reasonable relationship with her right now because she's just, I think she's capable.

Kelli (51:52.652)
I don't think she is either. think she loves her husband very much. I think she loves her children. Like think she's a great wife and a great mom. I do. I'll never.

Lori (52:00.74)
And I think that's as far as it goes. don't think she has a capacity to go any further.

Kelli (52:03.372)
Right, I mean hopefully she's a good sister too, a good daughter, but with her friends, not with these friends, let's put it that way.

Lori (52:12.86)
I wouldn't even, I would even differ to say that it's a high probability that she really doesn't even have those kinds of friendships, even with other people outside the show. I just don't think she's capable of it. She's a very shallow human being. And I think that's something that like, you can't necessarily, yeah, you're on a show and you're acting.

Kelli (52:29.762)
Right. Very shallow.

We Wine Whenever (52:33.063)
you

Lori (52:40.838)
But a lot of your real self does come out. There is an essence of who you are that does come out. And enough of it has come out for me to come to the conclusion that, no.

Kelli (52:43.821)
Yeah.

Lori (52:56.656)
That that's, that's basically really who you are.

We Wine Whenever (53:03.345)
So Whitney's final statement was, Whitney has finally sworn off speaking to bloggers and engaging in the rumors and the nastiness. Instead, she's pointing that energy into making Prism a bigger success. She's also vowed to keep Justin out of her drama. yeah, Heather's final was, Heather finished her book tour for the second book and has begun writing, working on her third. She realized her time is better spent writing nonfiction than nasty.

Kelli (53:19.864)
We'll see.

We Wine Whenever (53:31.771)
Text messages, spoiler alert, Mormons are somewhat involved.

Kelli (53:38.294)
In the book, in the third book. How much more could she possibly have to say? I never read one of her books and I don't plan on it.

We Wine Whenever (53:39.791)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (53:45.103)
Okay. So next is the reunion. We'll have to see how they wrap this up.

Lori (53:50.086)
Next, Zariania.

Kelli (53:51.754)
I will say, I do think that this is the best Meredith has ever looked on a reunion.

We Wine Whenever (53:56.583)
I did not like her reunion look.

Kelli (54:01.27)
I don't love it, but I'm just saying this is the best she's ever looked on a reunion. There's no feathers involved. There's no blazers involved with, you know, I just think that this is, this was her best choice for a reunion look to date. I think Whitney killed it.

Lori (54:18.832)
Good day.

you did. didn't like Whitney's at all. didn't like it. I didn't like Whitney's and I did not like Brittany's. Brittany's looked like it was on a clearance rack from AC.

Kelli (54:24.015)
I thought Whitney looked amazing.

Kelli (54:33.326)
I don't even remember seeing Britney's quite honestly.

Lori (54:36.93)
Yeah, it's not, it's not.

Kelli (54:38.06)
I don't think I saw her in a picture, I think I just saw the main...

We Wine Whenever (54:41.445)
Well, actually, I have all the shots. I thought we'd talk about it next week for the reunion episode. Yeah, so I have all the shots for the reunion looks, and I'm going to have the designers and I think the prices too. And then we'll talk about them. Okay. Until next time, thank you for watching and listening to We Why Whenever. Please follow us and download our podcast any place you get your podcast. Until next time.

Kelli (54:46.478)
Yeah.

Kelli (54:54.616)
Nice.

Lori (54:55.132)
All right, we'll talk that. Yeah, perv.

Kelli (54:57.71)
All right, sounds good.

Kelli (55:11.106)
Bye.

Lori (55:12.048)
Bye.

We Wine Whenever (55:12.185)
Bye.