Viper Room to Healing Rooms: Drama and Reconciliation on RHOBH

 Viper Room to Healing Rooms: Drama and Reconciliation on RHOBH 
RHOBH S14 E7 - "What the Chuck"

Viper Room Drama:

• • Dorit and Kyle have a heated argument. Dorit feels disrespected, and Kyle apologizes but seems frustrated. Garcelle checks on Dorit, who walks out, with Erika following to comfort her.
• Kyle Reflects on Her Outburst:
  • Kyle admits she “lost her shit,” comparing her anger to a past fight with Camille. She calls Mo to explain, and he calls her reaction “dumb.”
• Country Club Day:
  • Sutton hosts a themed day with tennis. Kyle and Sutton play, while Garcelle sits out with an "injury." Conversations reveal Kyle’s strained relationship with Dorit and touch on past rumors about infidelity.
• Erika Meets Dorit and Martyn:
  • Erika shares thoughts on style and life post-Viper Room. Dorit opens up about trust issues, especially with her husband PK, saying they’re not sharing much with each other.
• Bozma’s Surgery and Kyle’s Visit:
  • Bozma undergoes fibroid surgery, aiming to start a family with her partner. Kyle visits Boz, bringing flowers, which sparks skepticism about her motives. Bozma shares Dorit’s suspicions about Kyle hiding something.
• Surprise Party for Erika:
  • Kyle, Sutton, and Garcelle surprise Erika with a pizza party at Chuck E. Cheese. Erika appreciates the gesture and the supportive words from Sutton.
• Text Message Tensions:
  • Kyle confronts ongoing issues with Dorit, including mistrust over text messages. She reluctantly shares a text but declares she won’t continue proving herself this way.
• Garcelle and Bozma Bond:
  • Garcelle visits Bozma post-surgery, bringing food and discussing the tension between Dorit and Kyle. Bozma expresses disappointment over the mix of marital problems and friendship drama.
• Cliffhanger:
  • Upcoming scenes tease spa drama, with Kyle breaking down as she reads texts aloud, signaling a breaking point in the conflict.

Takeaways

• The episode title 'What the Chuck?' reflects the confusion among the hosts.
• Conflict at the Viper Room escalates with personal insults.
• Garcelle's attempt to connect with Dorit is met with skepticism.
• Tennis serves as a backdrop for exploring character dynamics.
• Kyle's emotional outburst reveals deeper trust issues.
• Garcelle and Sutton share their perspectives on infidelity.
• The conversation hints at unspoken truths about Kyle's marriage.
• Erica emphasizes that style is about creativity, not just money.
• The hosts reflect on the reality of life on a reality TV show.
• Friendship dynamics are tested amidst accusations and misunderstandings. Friendship dynamics can be complicated, especially in public settings.
• Loyalty is often tested in relationships when personal struggles arise.
• Health challenges can impact one's outlook on life and future aspirations.
• Expectations in friendships can lead to misunderstandings and conflict.
• Surprise celebrations can provide emotional support during tough times.
• Open conversations about identity are essential for personal growth.
• Reality TV often highlights the superficiality in friendships.
• Different standards are applied to different individuals in the public eye.
• Personal struggles can lead to a desire for authenticity in relationships.

Transcript

We Wine Whenever (00:00.94)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever, I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:03.752)
I'm Kelly.

We Wine Whenever (00:04.677)
And I'm Lori.

We Wine Whenever (00:06.232)
We are talking about Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, Season 14, Episode Number 7, What the Chuck?

We Wine Whenever (00:16.05)
Yeah, I don't get the name. now I get it. Now get it. I'm thinking to myself, what the fuck are they talking about? Okay, okay, okay, I get it now. Okay. Yeah, and it is good. I get it now. I get it. I get it. Okay.

Kelli (00:17.459)
I don't get it either, it's a

We Wine Whenever (00:17.464)
Chuck E. Cheese, Chuck E. Cheese.

Okay.

Kelli (00:25.471)
That's really funny. I like it.

We Wine Whenever (00:31.746)
You get it?

Kelli (00:32.765)
That's hysterical.

We Wine Whenever (00:34.434)
Okay, so we pick up where we left off at the Viper room. Kyle and Dorit are both still yelling at each other. And Dorit says to Kyle, the vein is popping out of your forehead. And Dorit's yelling at her, you don't get to speak to me that way. And Kyle's saying, what more do you want? I've already apologized and I said I wouldn't do it anymore.

So it was very volatile at that point, the yelling and the screaming.

Kelli (01:04.905)
Doreen keeps saying she thinks Kyle's guilty, but okay. I was gonna say guilty of what? But okay, now that I've watched the whole episode, know what she, okay.

We Wine Whenever (01:14.688)
Yeah, so Garcel says to Dorit after Kyle and Dorit are yelling, Garcel says, Dorit, how are you doing? And Dorit says, do you mean that genuinely? And Garcel says, my God, am I next in line? Listen, it was right, right. It totally was a legitimate question. And I don't know how Garcel didn't read the room there.

We Wine Whenever (01:30.661)
Yeah.

Kelli (01:30.759)
It's a legitimate question. They're clearly not besties. It's totally a legitimate question.

We Wine Whenever (01:43.6)
Yeah, and like

Kelli (01:43.603)
Because Garcelle, go ahead.

We Wine Whenever (01:46.738)
And like she said in her confessional, it's like, why are you trying to make an emotional connection with me all of sudden when you haven't like, we haven't talked in like two years, like, so where are you going with that?

Kelli (01:56.733)
Yeah, all you do is come at me. All Garcelle does is pick on Dorie. She really does.

We Wine Whenever (02:02.349)
She does, she does. So, Dorit gets aggravated, so she gets up and she walks out and Erica goes out after her. Dorit apologizes to Erica, you know, for walking out on her night and Erica's like, don't, you know, don't worry about me, I'm good. Meanwhile, inside, Kyle says, you know, I lost my shit, you know, with Dorit and Boseman said, well, she was trying to get all of her shit out. Like she was trying to say everything that she wanted to say. And Sutton says, well,

says, was there an implication that you were sending more than memes? And Bosma's like, well, we don't know. Like, we don't know if that's what it was because basically you didn't show us the text is really what they're saying.

Kelli (02:45.619)
Right. And I love when Sutton says that Kyle doesn't like to be called out on things. Neither do you, Sutton. Neither does she.

We Wine Whenever (02:46.822)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (02:52.523)
No. No, she's-

We Wine Whenever (02:53.04)
Yeah. Well, know, Kyle and her professional said that, know, Doree is only bringing it up to make Kyle look bad and that this texting in and of itself is just, that's really not bothering Doree according to, right. Right. According to Kyle. No. But I think Erica was doing a great job trying to like diffuse the situation.

Kelli (03:07.081)
Bullshit, I don't I think that's bullshit Right

We Wine Whenever (03:11.979)
Right, right.

Kelli (03:18.12)
I do too.

We Wine Whenever (03:18.166)
Yeah, has been a great friend to Dorit this season. And honestly, I think she's been a good friend to Kyle too. Because when Erika was going through everything, Kyle was always there for her. She never left her. She was always there for her. And I feel like Erika is kind of trying to return the favor. And she has been there where Dorit is right now. I mean, obviously it's not the same situa- Erika's been where Dorit's been. Yeah, yeah.

Kelli (03:25.063)
Yeah, I agree.

Kelli (03:33.203)
Yeah.

Kelli (03:43.399)
Erica. right, right, right, right. Eric's been.

We Wine Whenever (03:48.244)
So I think she's being a great friend to both of them.

Kelli (03:51.741)
No, I agree. think she's she is riding the fence. She's being a good friend to both like where Dolores always said she was, but she wasn't. I'll bring it back to Jersey.

We Wine Whenever (03:59.238)
Right. And you know, like, yeah, like.

We Wine Whenever (04:02.157)
You always do. You always do. What about the sprinkle cookies?

We Wine Whenever (04:09.554)
We finally got him!

We Wine Whenever (04:10.508)
Let's see, let's see. Here they are bringing it back to Jersey.

We Wine Whenever (04:16.05)
Yeah. Yes, our unboxing and our tasting. So when Garcelle asked Dorit that, you know, when she said, you know, how do we even know Kyle is texting PK and then asked Dorit how she's doing. I don't if you guys saw, but Kyle and Sutton looked at each other like, like, what do you mean? Why are you asking her that? Like, read the room, girl. Yeah.

Kelli (04:16.051)
We'll be doing our unboxing soon.

We Wine Whenever (04:17.976)
Hahaha!

Kelli (04:38.088)
I did see that.

I did see that because even they thought it was ridiculous that she was asking. You literally just two episodes ago again doubled down on accusing her husband of insurance fraud and you know, staging the whole burglary. She didn't say Dorit knew about it, but you alleged that. So that was bad. That was so bad.

We Wine Whenever (04:58.902)
yeah, exactly.

We Wine Whenever (05:03.581)
Yeah, that was horrible. That was horrible.

We Wine Whenever (05:03.76)
Right. So there you go.

Kelli (05:09.469)
And I believe that we would have known by now, God forbid that were true. I really do. I mean...

We Wine Whenever (05:13.488)
Yeah. And, and you know, when, when Kyle admitted that she lost her shit really bad, she wasn't like admitting it in like an apologetic way. There was like no, you know, I lost my shit. Like, no, it was just, she's just simply making a statement. Amazing. Yeah, I guess so.

We Wine Whenever (05:13.683)
Yeah, I don't think it's true.

Kelli (05:33.925)
Mm-hmm. Right. Well, Kyle's allowed to do whatever she wants.

We Wine Whenever (05:35.859)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (05:39.691)
So then the next scene we see Sutton slicing lemons with Avi and Kyle and Garcelle are going over and they're having Country Club Day at Sutton's house. Kyle shows up in leggings and a hoodie. I guess she didn't know it was Country Club Day or she didn't, right.

Kelli (05:59.679)
Well, they were playing tennis, so she was dressed to play tennis, which Sutton was really dressed to play tennis, but Kyle was dressed to go to the gym, like work out. That's how I would have dressed.

We Wine Whenever (06:01.86)
Yes, it's just playtime.

We Wine Whenever (06:07.819)
Yes, she was dressed to go to the gym. mean, Gorssell was dressed to play tennis even though she said she had an injury that she didn't have. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (06:16.314)
Yeah, she was too cute. She was too cute. Yeah, she was too cute and she wanted to just have cocktails. But wait a second, going back to the Viper Room, I just like it when, like how Boz, she was like, just because something was funny and cute a long time ago, doesn't mean it's funny or cute now. And how about when Kyle said in her confessional that Dorit came up with all this just so she doesn't look like an asshole. Like what?

Kelli (06:17.214)
Well, she just wanted to look the part.

We Wine Whenever (06:46.46)
This is just crazy town. All right. So back to tennis.

We Wine Whenever (06:50.505)
Yep, back to tennis. Kyle admits she's not a country club girl and Sutton is for sure a country club girl. She invites over a tennis pro, I guess, to play tennis with them and actually Kyle was pretty good at it.

Kelli (06:57.663)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Kelli (07:10.343)
Yeah, I mean, she's very competitive. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (07:10.384)
Well, there she is. Bye.

We Wine Whenever (07:12.54)
Yeah, yeah, she was pretty good at it. I didn't even realize Sutton has a tennis court in her yard.

Kelli (07:19.197)
Yeah, yeah, that's, you know, she must live on a busy street. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (07:19.312)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (07:23.548)
She does. I've seen, when I look at the aerials, there's a big U-tire right in her front yard.

Kelli (07:29.181)
Yes, yes, but her, party she had where they were dressed all eccentric was on the tennis court.

We Wine Whenever (07:34.65)
Right, the surreal part of you.

We Wine Whenever (07:36.072)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (07:39.467)
okay, didn't realize that. Okay, okay, that's interesting. they certainly do. Yeah, yeah.

Kelli (07:41.895)
Yeah, I mean, they do such a beautiful job transforming these yards and you know, they really do.

We Wine Whenever (07:46.326)
yeah, that's what money can do. I like how in Sutton's confessionals that she says she thinks that Kyle has a problem, people stand up to her. And that for years, Dorit's been like cowering back and now is not. Right?

Kelli (08:02.183)
Right, that's basically what's going on. And listen, nothing's gonna push you to do that other than you thinking a friend is being inappropriate with your husband. Like, that's gonna get you to the point where you're not gonna give a fuck anymore and the nice guy thing's gonna go right out the window. Like, don't text my husband inappropriate things about me, about our separation, about anything.

We Wine Whenever (08:02.344)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (08:23.846)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (08:29.98)
Well, yeah, mean, basically, like Garcelle and even Sun have said, if it was them, they wouldn't be comfortable with it either. Even if it...

Kelli (08:37.723)
No, and I'm glad they said that at the lunch. They said it to write to Kyle. I wouldn't like it. Both of them said it. I wouldn't like it.

We Wine Whenever (08:40.978)
Yes, yes.

We Wine Whenever (08:41.858)
Yeah, no, even if it was just a meme as Jennifer Tilly on the after show said, they were sending memes.

We Wine Whenever (08:51.818)
But Kyle says that, you know, when she got to Sutton's house, she's like, she hasn't been that mad that like the vein has popped out since that time she was in New York with Camille Grammer and they were fighting. And that she really doesn't even remember it, that she like she blacks out, like she gets so mad that she doesn't remember what she said.

Kelli (09:17.107)
Yeah, that happens to me. Mm-hmm. Yeah, if I get pushed to the point where I'm that mad, I'm just gonna start saying, I'm gonna, and I cut very, very deep with what I say, and I can't see straight.

We Wine Whenever (09:18.91)
Does it?

We Wine Whenever (09:19.814)
Yeah, obviously me too. Yeah. Yeah, you blow when you blow a fuse sometimes.

We Wine Whenever (09:30.663)
Okay.

We Wine Whenever (09:30.876)
Yep. I see red. could see red. So don't push too hard.

Kelli (09:32.626)
Yep. Just FYI.

We Wine Whenever (09:37.578)
I don't think that I've ever got that way. I don't think I have. I did, must have blacked out. I must have blacked out.

Kelli (09:43.487)
Yeah, it's not good. It's not a good way to beg. I had to get up last night. Something happened at the JV game at the basketball game last night with the team we were playing. I won't call them out. I won't go into it, but the cops had to come to the school. This was the JV game. And then the varsity game, the mom sitting behind me and two other parents of our team.

We Wine Whenever (09:44.001)
You'd know.

Kelli (10:12.103)
was so loud and so rude and I mean we played a team that's like third in the shore so obviously they were going to beat us and every time our kids went to you know shoot a basket she would scream go blah blah blah the the name of their team every time I had to get up I said to the mom I was sitting next to and this woman was literally right behind me so I know she heard me and that's fine

We Wine Whenever (10:34.386)
the other team.

Kelli (10:41.939)
I said, I have to leave because every time our guys go to shoot, she starts screaming and it's so fucking rude. I have to move. And you know, Eric doesn't sit near me. He sits way up in the bleachers on the side. So I went and sat near him. Cause I would have, they would have had to call the cops back. The cops would have had to come right back. And we don't need the cops reporting to the school again for a winter.

We Wine Whenever (10:48.24)
It is droid.

We Wine Whenever (10:59.9)
Yeah, but had to come right back, turn right around.

We Wine Whenever (11:00.297)
But that's good!

We Wine Whenever (11:06.278)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (11:06.288)
You diffuse the situation by moving yourself, which is, that's good. No, that's absolutely, yes, that's great.

Kelli (11:08.915)
I did, I was kind of really proud of myself. It was a very mature move. Yeah, it was pretty mature for me.

We Wine Whenever (11:17.668)
Hehehehehe

We Wine Whenever (11:18.696)
That's not good

Kelli (11:19.337)
She had a Kate Gosselin haircut too, this woman.

Kelli (11:25.203)
now she was a throwback.

We Wine Whenever (11:27.305)
So we then get back to Kyle and Garsel. Kyle says the first call she made this morning was to Moe. And you see a on Garsel's face when she said it? And she explained to Moe what happened, that she couldn't talk to PK anymore, and he said that that was dumb. Right. And Moe thought that that was dumb. He didn't understand. Well, of course he's going to take your side.

Kelli (11:34.183)
Yeah, how about that?

We Wine Whenever (11:38.565)
yeah, I saw that.

Kelli (11:38.643)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (11:47.12)
Yeah, she can't be friends with him. Yeah, she said she can't be friends with him.

Kelli (11:57.277)
He's gonna take her side. He's a guy. He's not gonna see it the way we see it. you know, of course he's not gonna think anything's wrong with it.

We Wine Whenever (12:01.883)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (12:02.032)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (12:07.65)
Right. Exactly. But then this conversation got a little odd because that's when Garcelle and Sutton admit that, you know, that they wouldn't like that either. And, you know, Garcelle said that, you know, she's been in a similar situation with, I guess, a divorce. goes, but, you know, not with the infidelity. And then Sutton says, well, you had infidelity to Kyle and Kyle's like, and Garcelle is like, and I don't know if they

I'm sure they edit it like that, but it was just like, does she know what she's saying? And then she goes, oh, you know, with Moe. And Kyle's like, no, when, when?

Kelli (12:46.545)
understand why we're still all pretending that Maurizio has not cheated on Kyle. Kyle has done everything other than just say, my husband has cheated on me. She has made it seem that way a lot in the show over the past couple of years without saying it. So let's, again, it's like Meredith Marks, you're on a reality TV show. If this is why you're separated, just fucking say it.

People cheat all the time. Just say it.

We Wine Whenever (13:18.32)
I don't think that's it. I'll be quite honest with you because when I am not saying that I don't think that she's ever admitted that he's cheated on her.

Kelli (13:21.778)
You don't think we cheated on her?

Kelli (13:28.573)
She hasn't, but she has said everything else around it where you know he has.

We Wine Whenever (13:32.155)
But no, but if she hasn't admitted it and they don't have hard facts that it happened, mean, Sutton was saying that you said it and she said, no, I didn't. She's like, when did I say it? And she's like, well, was it on Instagram? And then she just dropped it. But the fact is she never actually said it because if she did, they would have rolled that footage, right? And they didn't roll that footage. And if she hasn't admitted to it, just because there's rumors out there that says he cheated,

We Wine Whenever (13:32.164)
everything but.

We Wine Whenever (14:00.571)
I mean, that's what the tabloids

Kelli (14:03.451)
No, no, I think that everybody in Beverly Hills probably knows. I'm sure her sister Cathy has told Garcelle and Sutton plenty about Kyle's marriage. And the thing is, is that you have said things like, he has broken my trust. You know, I have had to tell him, you know, that I don't like him talking to women DMs he's getting on Instagram. come on now.

We Wine Whenever (14:27.131)
Well, that's what he said, engaging with, that doesn't mean he's cheated. That does not mean he's cheated.

Kelli (14:35.367)
I think that you are very naive.

We Wine Whenever (14:37.855)
I mean...

We Wine Whenever (14:39.74)
Good thing. Good thing. But listen, I have a question. I have a question. So in this conversation, Garcelle says that her divorce situation was different. but I mean, Kyle says that Garcelle's was different and Garcelle answers that in some ways it was similar and she says not in fidelity, but being angry with each other. Okay. So

Kelli (14:39.901)
You

We Wine Whenever (14:41.638)
Could be, it could be.

We Wine Whenever (15:09.988)
She's talking about, they're talking about Dorit's situation with PK. So did Dorit say that PK was...

Cheating on her?

Kelli (15:23.047)
No, I think Garcelle was saying her husband cheated on her and PK and Doree don't have that, right?

We Wine Whenever (15:26.798)
Right. Yes, yes, that's what she was saying. That's what she was saying.

We Wine Whenever (15:28.658)
okay. That's what she was saying. Okay. was confused. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Kelli (15:32.816)
Yeah. And then that's when Sutton said to Kyle, well, you've had infidelity and just the way she said it, like, you know, they've talked about it.

We Wine Whenever (15:42.63)
Right. Well, Garcelle and her confessional says that this has been an unspoken thing for years. then, yeah, and Kyle, you know, Kyle asks Sutton if she's referring to the Instagram situation and then production flashes back to that thing at the winery. then, right, and then Sutton and her confessional asked by production if she's referring to the Instagram situation. She answers no.

Kelli (15:47.805)
Right, so they all know.

We Wine Whenever (15:49.772)
Yeah, I don't-

We Wine Whenever (16:01.678)
Right, where she said that.

We Wine Whenever (16:10.169)
No.

We Wine Whenever (16:11.9)
So she's saying, I'm...

Kelli (16:14.633)
talking about something else that I know.

We Wine Whenever (16:14.639)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (16:15.76)
I'm talking about something else that is known.

Kelli (16:18.546)
Everybody knows.

We Wine Whenever (16:20.227)
Yeah, but I don't know.

We Wine Whenever (16:24.644)
I don't know. I'm just saying.

We Wine Whenever (16:26.553)
I say innocent until proven guilty. Just me. I'm just saying. Just me. Listen, you guys can say she's guilty, but I just...

Kelli (16:30.719)
Alright.

I know.

don't think she's guilty, I think he's guilty.

We Wine Whenever (16:38.979)
Well, you think she's guilty for covering up for him.

Kelli (16:41.543)
I do think that. listen, it's the thing, if she doesn't want her girls to know, that's one thing, but get off reality TV, man, because this is life. This is your life on reality TV. And if it's not, then you're a phony baloney and you shouldn't be on reality TV.

We Wine Whenever (17:00.237)
When she said that, you know, he broke my trust, I thought when she was talking about that, she was referring to, you know, what had happened when her friend died. When her friend died, she died by suicide. She was felt very alone. That's when she, you know, he wasn't there for her. She didn't feel like he was there. Well, it could be.

Kelli (17:23.839)
Yeah, but that's not breaking your trust.

We Wine Whenever (17:27.542)
You know, she trusted that he would be there for her for everything. They were married. They'd been together for whatever it was, 29 or however many years they'd been together. You know, and that was a time that she really needed him. And he wasn't there for her. And that is what I thought she was referring to. And because that's when she said it. That's when that that's when it came out, when they were having problems, when they were, you know, he was talking, he was calling her love bean and they were talking about the tattoo and

We Wine Whenever (17:44.53)
That's how you took it. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (17:55.971)
She was opening up about, you know, what has changed in her life and how she looks at life differently because of what happened and that she wants to make sure that she's happy and she surrounds herself with people who are going to support her and be there for her. And she didn't feel that way from her husband at a time she needed him. That's how I took it.

Kelli (18:18.911)
Hmm. Okay.

We Wine Whenever (18:21.136)
It was interesting how they were playing tennis. So you go from the tennis to the lunch where there's like this volley of conversation in the back and forth with the, you know, Kyle saying, who are you talking about? What, when? No. And Kyle's like, Mo. And I just thought that was cool.

We Wine Whenever (18:26.532)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (18:36.823)
Right.

Kelli (18:39.869)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (18:40.94)
Right. Then we see Erica meets up with Zorie and Martin at the Coco Republic.

and they're gonna do some shopping for her new place. Erica had a very good quote. She said it in her confessional. She explains that style is not an unlimited budget. Style is when you have a budget and you say, can take these things and mix them together with this and I can make it fabulous.

We Wine Whenever (19:07.804)
Fucking fabulous is what she said.

We Wine Whenever (19:09.187)
Yeah.

Kelli (19:09.447)
And I wonder if Erica had that motto when she was married to Tom Girardi and she had an unlimited amount of money.

We Wine Whenever (19:14.68)
No, she had an unlimited budget. No, then she had an unlimited budget. And I don't think that that mansion was her style.

We Wine Whenever (19:17.19)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (19:24.01)
I don't think so either. I'm sure his first or second wife decorated that thing.

We Wine Whenever (19:25.101)
That mansion wasn't her style.

We Wine Whenever (19:25.156)
No. No.

We Wine Whenever (19:29.079)
Well, no, did you? She said he, the second wife took everything. She pulled up with a truck. She took everything.

We Wine Whenever (19:29.68)
No.

She put an 18-wheeler and didn't even leave him with toilet paper where Erica left with four cups and four plates because she wanted to do the right thing. know, I didn't think it was very nice of Kyle to say that, you know, after that lunch that she just doesn't know who Dorit is now.

Kelli (19:33.019)
that's right.

We Wine Whenever (19:39.843)
hahahahah

you

Kelli (19:45.471)
That's funny. That's why she said that.

We Wine Whenever (19:47.821)
Yeah.

Kelli (19:58.719)
story is anymore.

We Wine Whenever (19:59.864)
Yeah, she did say that, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (20:02.65)
She just has no incentive to be friends with Duri right now. But you know what? If you're really friends with somebody, you just don't abandon them for calling you out on something. You know I mean?

Kelli (20:14.537)
Yeah, but this is not how the Richard sisters operate. The Richard sisters operate. You either fall in line or I ice you out for six months. I mean, Kathy does it to Kyle. Kyle's done it to plenty of people on the show. That's how they operate.

We Wine Whenever (20:18.906)
operate.

We Wine Whenever (20:23.726)
or I issue out. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (20:34.219)
And I honestly, I don't think Kyle thinks that Dorit's calling her out. I think that she thinks Dorit's claims are unfounded. And that's why she's saying that I don't even know who she is. Like I'm done with her because she doesn't, she doesn't own her part in it. She doesn't own her part in it. She doesn't think that she did anything wrong. She thinks just Dorit's being Dorit.

Kelli (20:34.269)
I mean it's a-

We Wine Whenever (20:57.274)
I guess. How about when that designer, Martin says, a room is like a face. If the bone structure ain't good, it doesn't matter how much plastic surgery or makeup you put on it. It's not going to work. That's good. I liked it. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (21:10.784)
Yep. I wrote that one down too. Yeah.

Kelli (21:14.035)
Good. I didn't hear him say that quite honestly.

We Wine Whenever (21:16.72)
Yeah.

Kelli (21:18.761)
Well, at least Erica admit that Kyle would not like it if the tables returned. So that's Garcelle Sutton and Erica all saying, if the tables returned, Kyle wouldn't like it.

We Wine Whenever (21:23.942)
Absolutely.

We Wine Whenever (21:27.969)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (21:32.016)
No, she wouldn't. She wouldn't like it.

We Wine Whenever (21:32.418)
It's true.

Erica also says when she's shopping with Dorit that she, it's been a while since she's even wanted to do anything for herself and to leave the house and to, you know, to decorate and she's in a good place now and I'm glad to see her there.

Kelli (21:51.869)
Yeah, this is a nice ever cover, Sam.

We Wine Whenever (21:52.176)
Yeah. Yeah, she was saying how it's, you know, it's because it's not about survival anymore, but now she wants to thrive. So that's nice. That's nice to hear. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (22:01.088)
Right, exactly. Yeah. To read also, that's... No! No, it's not over.

Kelli (22:01.149)
Yeah. Yeah. But his trial is not over, right? I mean, I was just listening to the Bravo docket on it. But is her part done?

We Wine Whenever (22:07.512)
No, no, no, no, no, no,

I don't think that, well, I'm sure something could come up with her again during the trial, but I think that she's just at a better mindset that she's able to deal with whatever's gonna come up. She feels like she can just kind of deal with it now.

Kelli (22:24.7)
Right, right.

We Wine Whenever (22:31.981)
I mean, there's nothing left for them to take.

Kelli (22:34.461)
Well, no, there is, there's his house. So I think that's what they were basically saying on the Bravo docket. Like, Erica's big interest is that house right now, because if she has to satisfy, not on her own behalf, on the behalf of the Girardi estate or whatever, if she has to satisfy any liens or debts or anything like that, she has the house as equity. No, the big house.

We Wine Whenever (22:34.546)
You're right.

We Wine Whenever (22:58.636)
the one that she's living in now. I thought that was auctioned off.

Kelli (23:04.145)
I don't know. That's what they were saying. That's what I understand. I believe it was on the Bravo docket. heard that. Her interest is the house so that she could satisfy any debts. I'll look into it.

We Wine Whenever (23:10.802)
I don't know.

We Wine Whenever (23:15.518)
Yeah, I thought that that I thought the house that she lived well

Kelli (23:18.183)
Not her house, they can't take her house.

We Wine Whenever (23:20.828)
I don't even, like we said, I don't even know that she owns that.

Kelli (23:24.081)
Yeah, because it's-

We Wine Whenever (23:24.129)
You're right, we don't know that she owns that but that house that she lives in with Tom that was auctioned off a long time ago, like years ago.

Kelli (23:33.225)
Hmm. Yeah, I'll have to look into it, because I thought that's what they were saying.

We Wine Whenever (23:34.546)
Who knows?

We Wine Whenever (23:35.901)
Yeah, because I thought she was at a spot where there's nothing else that they can take. She has nothing. She's given everything. I mean,

Kelli (23:43.963)
Yeah, no, she doesn't and I don't think she's personally responsible. I think it was like on behalf of the estate because he's incompetent.

We Wine Whenever (23:52.255)
And they're still legally married. They're not divorced.

Kelli (23:54.331)
Right, right, right. So she's not his guardian, I think his brother was or something. Yeah, but she'd still be, by marriage, she'd still be responsible for some, I don't know. It's a little complicated. I'm gonna have to finish listening to the Bravo Docket.

We Wine Whenever (24:00.029)
No, right, his brother's a guardian, so then his brother would be...

We Wine Whenever (24:09.298)
Yeah, I don't know.

We Wine Whenever (24:09.355)
I don't know either.

We Wine Whenever (24:14.485)
Dorit does tell Erica that the only one she trusts right now is her and Bosma. And Erica says to Dorit, know, what is it that you need post-Fyper Room? And Dorit says, listen, she's meeting Kyle. She's not sharing anything with me. So I don't even know like what her and PK are talking about. Like, I don't know what they're sharing with each other because she's not in a good place with PK and she's not in a good place with Kyle.

Kelli (24:43.721)
Right, right.

We Wine Whenever (24:44.422)
Yeah, and you know, she really never, she really didn't give an answer to that question.

We Wine Whenever (24:49.183)
She didn't, she didn't. We do find out later though, from Bozma, really what it is that she wants from Kyle. She wants to the text, right. She wants to see the text.

We Wine Whenever (24:51.623)
Did it.

Kelli (25:01.105)
She wants to see the text. Yeah.

Kelli (25:07.069)
which if you're only sending memes and funny jokes, you should have had no problem handing that phone over. But we know now after watching the episode.

We Wine Whenever (25:16.552)
Right. So then we see Bosma's up early in the morning. She's going to have fibro surgery.

Kelli (25:23.711)
She must have been in a lot of pain. I've never, knock on wood, experienced that, but she must...

We Wine Whenever (25:28.246)
Well, she said that she wasn't really having any symptoms from it. She just had some like distension in her stomach, but she said she really didn't have any symptoms from it. She said this on the after show, but she just wanted to have it taken care of because she really is thinking about starting a family. So she just wanted to get them, she knew they had to come out and she just wanted them out before they caused a problem and so that she could move ahead with.

Kelli (25:38.066)
Okay.

We Wine Whenever (25:58.994)
possibly, you know, moving on with her life.

We Wine Whenever (26:05.434)
she did also let us know that, I mean, she's 47 years old and Healy's 48 and he's never had any children and they've discussed it that they want to have a family together and if she is not able to have a family with him, she wants to be able to let him know so that, you know, he has other options. Yeah, so then we see four hours later she gets home from surgery and

Kelli (26:24.243)
Yeah, they can make a decision.

We Wine Whenever (26:33.394)
Then five hours later, goes over to her house to visit. Now is that five hours after she got home from surgery?

Kelli (26:41.503)
I don't know, that's a pretty bold move showing up at the chick's house when she just had fibroid surgery. I mean, some flowers and go see her the next day.

We Wine Whenever (26:46.0)
I know, I thought that was so strange.

We Wine Whenever (26:49.712)
Right, and you're only going to defend yourself. You're not going... Right, you're not going there.

Kelli (26:53.16)
and try to get her on your side. And I have that written down and then Bozema says it. I he's just trying to get me on her side.

We Wine Whenever (26:58.032)
Yeah, you're not going there like out of the goodness of your heart, like, let me see how my new friend is. No, you're going there to like, you know, plead your case.

We Wine Whenever (26:58.079)
Yeah.

Kelli (27:04.859)
Absolutely not.

Kelli (27:09.201)
Yeah, because when she said, Kyle said Dorit doesn't share anything, that was way off. Because there's one thing you can't say about Dorit is that she does not speak about herself enough. She speaks about herself all the time. And as a matter of fact, the other ladies complain about how much she talks. So that was a bunch of BS.

We Wine Whenever (27:17.396)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (27:29.939)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (27:30.01)
Right. And production did go back to show her at the table talking to Kyle about her marriage problems. What are you doing?

Kelli (27:37.119)
Mm-hmm. Yes. Yes.

We Wine Whenever (27:41.275)
Right. So we know that production set this up. I mean, she had a call time to go over there. And when she walks in her room, she tells her how beautiful the flowers are that she sent her, which by the way, I did think Kyle's flowers were prettier than Dorit's. So. OK, well, now I wouldn't say that now. OK, all right.

We Wine Whenever (27:55.408)
much nicer. Doreen's were ugly as hell. Nope, they were ugly. They were ugly. Doreen, you need to call your florist. I they look like funeral flowers. That's it.

We Wine Whenever (28:04.263)
Okay, all right. This is my take on the flowers. Kyle's were all different pretty shades of pink and they were very elegant. Dorit's flowers were like birds of paradise and orchids and they were very tropical. They were two different themed arrangements. I did prefer the roses. I would not say the other one, but that's just me.

We Wine Whenever (28:33.113)
You don't have to say it, because I did.

We Wine Whenever (28:34.821)
I know, I know. And you know, like you said in her confessional, Bozema said, like, I don't even know why she's here. She's like trying to win me over. And then Kyle says, well, I think my flowers are nicer than hers, which I'm sure Dorit probably said the same thing about her flowers. And Dorit was there before her. So like, why didn't we get to see Dorit there? Right?

Kelli (28:46.527)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (28:59.389)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (29:05.138)
Well, know, Bob says that the problem may be that, you know, that they don't view the friendship in the same way and that Dorit and Dorit were best friends.

We Wine Whenever (29:12.061)
Right. Right. Exactly. I do too. I do too.

Kelli (29:14.045)
Right. I believe that. I believe that Kyle is superficial with some people and for the show probably acted like a closer friend to Dorit than she really considered her.

We Wine Whenever (29:26.472)
Well, that's what we've said for a long time is that, you know, Kyle has a lot of people in her life and, you know, the people on the show are the people on the show. They're not her besties. Whereas we don't really see other people in Dorit's life, right? Her parents and, you know, she's got small children, so she's in a different situation. She's involved with her children, especially.

Kelli (29:43.379)
Right, her parents, that's it.

Kelli (29:50.142)
Right.

Kelli (29:53.631)
And then Kyle bringing up the rumors between Dory and Moe, like that's not the same as them texting each other. There being rumors out there is not the same as them texting each other. She's like, did I say anything about that? No. Well, what are you gonna say?

We Wine Whenever (30:11.591)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (30:11.762)
Thank you.

Kelli (30:11.825)
If it's not true, it's not true. And I never believed that anyway about Mo and Dorit.

We Wine Whenever (30:16.55)
Yeah, and it really feels like it's like Garcelle, Sutton, and Kyle against Dorit, Bas, and Erica.

Kelli (30:23.775)
Mm-hmm.

think Eric is in the middle there, but yes, right now.

We Wine Whenever (30:30.482)
Yeah. And when they first showed Boz before she went to get her surgery and they said, you know, the clock said 430. I was like, Oh, look at her. She's an early riser. Because they show the time before they said what she was up for. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (30:41.02)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, not my choice, right?

We Wine Whenever (30:43.472)
Right, she was doing the surgery, right. Right. Well, when Kyle's there visiting with Bozema, she tells her that, you know, Dorit wants to see the text messages. And that's when Kyle says, well, I'm not doing that. There's, yeah, she's like, I'm not showing her my text messages. I'm not doing that.

Kelli (30:57.353)
she gets very defensive.

Kelli (31:02.129)
It was like a la Heather DeBrow with the Disney paparazzi defensive.

We Wine Whenever (31:07.144)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (31:09.106)
Yeah, so when she says that, you know, she tells, she tells her that her and Dorit aren't that close. And Kyle says, when somebody's my best friend, I share everything. And then she said, oh, well, Dorit doesn't share anything. So which is it? So if Dorit shared everything according to you, then she would be a better friend for you. Like what? I don't understand. You know what I mean? I don't understand what the point she was trying to make.

Kelli (31:32.99)
Right.

Kelli (31:36.425)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (31:41.244)
think the point she was trying to make is that she really wasn't that good of friends with Dory.

We Wine Whenever (31:41.38)
It just didn't make sense to me.

We Wine Whenever (31:47.026)
Yeah, but she was trying to say the reason why she wasn't such good friends with Dorit is because she said Dorit doesn't share anything and she talks too much. That's basically what she said.

Kelli (31:57.151)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (32:01.458)
So I'm just saying, it's just a weird-

We Wine Whenever (32:01.575)
So yeah, it is weird. It is weird. So then the next thing we see is Kyle, Garcelle and Sutton are together and they're going over to surprise Erica.

Kelli (32:12.115)
surprised that she completely knew about because she did not look surprised. you guys surprised me. That's what she said.

We Wine Whenever (32:17.744)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (32:18.949)
Yeah, Kyle did tell her that they were going to dinner, but she thought it was just her and Kyle. And then they all show up and they are like flabbergasted with the beautiful lemons on her lemon tree. They were beautiful lemons.

Kelli (32:33.897)
Those were, they were beautiful lemons. Do you remember when, Yolanda was on and she would just walk down her steps and just pick lemons like, that's so nice.

We Wine Whenever (32:35.346)
Yeah, they were nice.

We Wine Whenever (32:41.904)
yes.

Yes.

We Wine Whenever (32:49.02)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (32:49.33)
Now, when I was watching this and they were, you know, in the in-between scenes where they show all the local scenery and everything, I was thinking to myself, I wonder how that's looking now. You know what I mean? So hearts out to the people in California because those wildfires are just horrible. But I really did think of that when I was looking at that, all the different scenery that they would show in between the scenes. I thought, oh, horrible.

Kelli (33:02.064)
I know. Yes.

Kelli (33:07.231)
for sure.

We Wine Whenever (33:17.296)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (33:21.03)
So they get Erica in the car. She doesn't know where they're taking her. They blindfold her. They get her out of the car and they take her to Chuck E. Cheese.

We Wine Whenever (33:33.318)
Well, was her emotional support pizza party. Yes,

Kelli (33:34.013)
It was pretty cute actually. I mean that place is a germ fest. But it was cute that they went there.

We Wine Whenever (33:40.142)
It is a term fest.

I mean, and Erica actually seemed like she appreciated it too, to be quite honest with you.

Kelli (33:48.467)
I think she did.

We Wine Whenever (33:49.764)
Yeah. I mean, they were actually playing the games like they were playing skeeble. They were playing basketball. They were actually playing the games. They played more there than they did on the tennis court. Right.

Kelli (33:59.625)
They did. They did.

We Wine Whenever (34:03.994)
And they didn't invite Dorit or Baz. Yeah, I know, but I'm just saying.

We Wine Whenever (34:06.672)
Well, Bob's just had surgery.

Kelli (34:08.521)
Yeah, and it's pretty clear why they didn't invite Dory.

We Wine Whenever (34:12.21)
Yeah, it's all right. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (34:13.318)
Yeah. So they sit down after they're done playing their games and Sutton says, what's really bringing me joy is right now is working on my business. You know, since she's divorced and this is, I'm like, what business? But she does have that recycled upcycled clothing company. And I think she's doing very well with it.

Kelli (34:33.791)
I think she closed her storefront, right? And it's all online now.

We Wine Whenever (34:33.938)
Doesn't she still have her store? Or she did close her store?

We Wine Whenever (34:36.026)
She, it's because she's got a huge, it's by appointment only. It's in the back, it's on the other side and it's like a huge, like a warehouse kind of situation. It's online and by appointment only. But I think she's doing very well with that. And Kyle says, well, know, she thinks she's doing okay. you know, her girls don't want to see her lying in bed and just like, you know, but she's not really sure, you know, like what she wants to do.

We Wine Whenever (34:41.1)
Kelli (34:47.251)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (35:05.936)
Garcelle says, well, listen, I mean, you're still talking to Moe every day. You're FaceTiming him all the time. And if that's what you want to do, that's fine. what is it you want? And she's just sitting there. then all of a sudden, Sutton says, if you, no, Garcelle says, wait, who said it? Yeah, Garcelle says, if you want to be a lesbian, then just be a lesbian. Because it was Sutton's face that was like, wait, what?

Kelli (35:24.83)
Marcel.

We Wine Whenever (35:25.596)
or so.

We Wine Whenever (35:30.342)
Yeah, she said, yeah, be who you want to be.

We Wine Whenever (35:33.485)
Right. If you want to be a lesbian, be a lesbian. And just looking at their faces was so funny. But again, I think that was Garcelle just kind of putting it out there. She's already said she's not really sure. You know, she's not sure.

Kelli (35:38.121)
That was pretty funny.

Yeah.

Kelli (35:51.807)
I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm so happy Sutton said the thing about infidelity. I'm so happy Garcelle said the thing about the lesbian. Enough with the beating around the bush, Kyle. If you're gonna be on reality TV, just fucking say it. And say it if you don't know. Like, spent time with her and yeah, there were some caught feelings. Just say it, stop. Stop with the... I don't like it. She's not saying anything.

We Wine Whenever (36:19.697)
Right.

Kelli (36:22.131)
She's coasting and any other housewife would have been fired for coasting.

We Wine Whenever (36:22.428)
but in the deep.

We Wine Whenever (36:23.707)
So she

Wait a second, let's just back up. She has admitted that she had feelings for a woman that she never thought that that would happen before. She's also admitted that she's not sure. You want her to say, okay, I tried it and I didn't like it? Like she's not there yet. She's admitted what she could admit.

We Wine Whenever (36:44.166)
No, but-

Kelli (36:45.107)
don't think, what I don't want is her to have these looks of shock when somebody says something like that to her. Don't act shocked.

We Wine Whenever (36:53.778)
Yeah, so then, right, that's the point. That is the point because then don't, you know, don't do that and then be upset if somebody says, well, you know what, it's your life, you're a grown woman, you know, be what you wanna be. If you wanna be a lesbian, be a lesbian. Like, that's hypocritical. That makes no sense. Like, don't get all jacked up.

Kelli (36:57.289)
Yeah.

Kelli (37:15.935)
Right.

Just be like, you know, she got a little jacked up.

We Wine Whenever (37:19.578)
She didn't get jacked up, she just was like... I mean getting jacked up would be like, you know, getting mad and yelling at them and walking out. She just kind of made like a face.

We Wine Whenever (37:23.558)
No.

We Wine Whenever (37:30.608)
Yeah, but on the after show, she was all uptight about it and saying that that's not something Garcelle should have said. But why? That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.

Kelli (37:43.188)
Why?

Kelli (37:49.725)
Maybe they're tired of her coasting too.

We Wine Whenever (37:52.58)
And I like how Erica in her confessional says Garcella has a question that she secretly wants to ask. Yeah.

Kelli (37:59.868)
Exactly.

We Wine Whenever (38:03.503)
Well, let's put this out there. So why are there different standards on different housewives? So let's look at New York, right? So Jenna Lyons is on New York and Jenna Lyons is engaged, right? But we don't get to see her fiance and nobody gives her a hard time about that. But yet we see her fiance's mother.

Kelli (38:23.959)
I do think it's weird, I don't know why, but for Jenna, she never had that part of her life on the show. So to me, right, but she never had that part of her life on the show.

We Wine Whenever (38:35.598)
Okay, it's only your second season.

Well, she wasn't, that person wasn't even in her life last season.

Kelli (38:44.723)
I think it was towards the end. think they were towards the end. Well, it doesn't matter even still though. She did have a partner. Remember she had the partner in the first season she mentioned, but she wasn't sharing them. She wasn't showing them.

We Wine Whenever (38:54.19)
Yep.

Yeah, so again, like why is there one standard with one set of housewives and another standard with another? Kyle has shown a lot of her life. She's in a transitional period of her life. You know, she's not, she's not divorced. She's separated. So she's still technically married. She

Kelli (39:12.159)
It's kind of like the Teresa thing. So Kyle's gonna say what Kyle wants to say about her life, but nobody else can question her. It's like the Teresa thing. Teresa was talking to magazines, putting stories out, but when Jacqueline questioned her, she got all jacked up.

We Wine Whenever (39:31.834)
How do we get back to Jersey? How does this always happen? How does this always happen?

Kelli (39:33.435)
Always. Always. I can sniff a similarity out in a hot second. But that's like, that's what I mean. That's, you're right. Kyle has admit that she caught feelings for a woman or, know, whatever she admit to. You're right. She did admit it. But then why when Garcels just makes a comment like, yeah, you want to be a lesbian? And I took it as Garcels saying, like, it's not that you're saying like, you'll never be with another man. Like right now.

We Wine Whenever (39:33.496)
Because it always comes back. It always comes back.

Kelli (40:02.889)
You feel like dating a woman? Go date a woman. And the look on her face was like, why are you saying that? Why is it okay for you to say it and not the people you're on a show with?

We Wine Whenever (40:02.898)
Or it wasn't, right, and it wasn't Garcelle saying.

We Wine Whenever (40:14.096)
and it wasn't Garth's fault.

We Wine Whenever (40:14.221)
Why do you have to label it? Why do you have to label it? This is...

Kelli (40:16.701)
You don't have to, and I don't think, that's my point. I don't think Arcel was labeling it. I think Arcel was basically saying, that's where you're at right now, go get it.

We Wine Whenever (40:26.009)
But when you say lesbian, you're labeling it.

We Wine Whenever (40:26.214)
And it wasn't like she was asking her, she wasn't asking her, she wasn't asking her, she wasn't saying, well, why don't you just admit that you're a lesbian? She wasn't saying that, she was just saying, look, you're the one who's out there showing you spending all this time with the girl, you're the one that's out there saying, you know, I call it a bit of feelings, I never thought I would, blah, blah, blah. So it's the hypocritical.

Kelli (40:35.071)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (40:54.81)
It's being a hypocrite about it. That's the problem. It's not separate standards. It's just being a hypocrite about it. you, if you put all that out there, then don't, and I mean, she said lesbian because she spent all that time with a woman and said she caught a little bit of feelings for a woman. So that's why she said lesbian.

Kelli (40:58.132)
Yeah, like just...

Kelli (41:18.663)
Yeah, mean, again, I don't think Garcelle was calling Kyle a lesbian, but typically when two women date each other, they are considered lesbians. That's what I'm just saying. But Garcelle could have said, if you want to date a woman right now, date a woman. I mean, to me, I took it the same way. I didn't think she was labeling her, but you know, it was the look on Kyle's face and her reaction to Garcelle saying that. It's like...

We Wine Whenever (41:26.328)
I know what a lesbian is. I know what a lesbian is.

We Wine Whenever (41:26.888)
All right.

Kelli (41:45.223)
Why are you reacting like that? You've put it out there. So why can't somebody else ask you about it? Like you can only talk about it when you're ready to talk about it because you've thought about what you're gonna say and you have it all planned out. But when somebody asks you about it, you're caught off guard and you don't know how to respond. Like is this your real life or is it not your real life? And you need to plan for your responses. Like Heather DeBrow.

We Wine Whenever (42:12.725)
Okay, now we brought in the OC. Let's see me. Let's see what else we can bring in

We Wine Whenever (42:14.802)
That's exactly it.

Kelli (42:14.855)
We really, what did you say we should, I don't, need to like, we really need to create like a trivia game about Housewives, because I think we would nail it.

We Wine Whenever (42:23.352)
I think we were too. So we've talked about New York, New Jersey, OC. We didn't talk about Salt Lake yet. Okay. And maybe throw a little Miami or Potomac in there or Atlanta. I mean, why not?

Kelli (42:30.652)
OC.

We Wine Whenever (42:34.162)
That was felt like reference.

Kelli (42:34.621)
We'll get there.

Kelli (42:38.548)
Maybe.

We Wine Whenever (42:42.935)
you

So, okay, off the lesbian's topic. Then Erica tells them that she met with Dorit. Okay, how do we get to Erica?

Kelli (42:57.193)
Well, I think she basically tells Kyle Dorit wants to see the text and I think that's when Kyle shows them the text, right?

We Wine Whenever (42:57.304)
How do we?

We Wine Whenever (43:04.817)
Yes. Yes. Yes.

Kelli (43:06.844)
and oof

We Wine Whenever (43:08.646)
Well, no, because Kyle says that the fact that Dorit is trying to make it seem like she's inappropriate is gross. So Kyle's the one who brings up the text.

Kelli (43:21.18)
Okay.

We Wine Whenever (43:21.727)
Well, no, Erica said it. Erica said that I met with Doree and she wants to know about the text. wants to see out. She just flat out said it. She said it. And Kyle's like, well, you know.

We Wine Whenever (43:31.334)
Right. Okay.

We Wine Whenever (43:37.929)
You have a lot of friends, but I'm also, and then she shows the text. She's like, I'm gonna show you guys, but this is it. I'm not showing anybody else. I'm not gonna show anybody else.

We Wine Whenever (43:46.97)
Yeah. And this is right. And but this is when she sent this text when they first made their announcement of separation.

Kelli (43:48.297)
Which is weird.

We Wine Whenever (43:49.995)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (43:54.879)
Announcement, right, right. And it said, I know you have a lot of friends, but I am also one and I'm here if you need me. I've never repeated anything you've shared with me and never would. We will keep sending memes and smiley faced emojis. that's not a meme. No.

Kelli (44:12.763)
Not a good look.

We Wine Whenever (44:15.474)
Well, you could take it a couple of ways, and I am no fan of Kyle, so in no way am I defending her. But you could take it as Kyle saying that, you know, now that you're gonna get separated and I'm friends with Dorit, I'm not gonna talk about anything that we've ever talked about in the past when it comes to their relationship in the past, Dorit and PK's relationship in the past.

Or you could take it as she would never talk about anything that she knows about their relationship to the public. So you could take it that way.

Kelli (44:58.503)
Yeah, like she wouldn't go to the media, which I mean, I don't think Kyle would ever go to the media with something like that. That would be... Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (45:00.9)
That's what I'm, no, but that's, but that's, that's just what I'm saying. Like you could take it, you could take it a couple of different ways.

Kelli (45:08.051)
Got it.

We Wine Whenever (45:09.026)
Well, I would say the fact that she shared that with them, she thought that that was innocent, because otherwise she wouldn't have shared it. Like she thought that that was no big deal. listen, I never, I never thought of it the way you just did, Lori, but maybe that's how she thought of it in her mind. That's what she thought. I, when she shared it with them and I heard it, was like, Ooh, that's no, it doesn't sound good, but in her mind, it was okay.

Kelli (45:16.905)
Yeah.

Kelli (45:33.759)
It doesn't sound good.

We Wine Whenever (45:38.944)
So.

Kelli (45:39.017)
But why do you think then if in her mind she thought it was okay, why wouldn't she just show Dory?

We Wine Whenever (45:45.814)
Because she doesn't feel like she has to show Dorit. Because why would Dorit be questioning her?

Kelli (45:55.487)
This is odd to me that she would show it to the other ladies but not Dorit, the one specifically asking, and whose husband you're texting. So if you really thought you didn't do anything wrong...

We Wine Whenever (46:02.602)
to read

But Dorit didn't ask her. Dorit never asked. Now she, well, now she knows because she's heard it from two different people. And it's not like she's in a good place when she, last time she spoke to Dorit was in the Viper Room. So the last time her and Dorit speak is in the Viper Room. Then she, the next day she's at Sutton's house and she's still not mentally in a good place because she blacked out.

Kelli (46:08.307)
But she knows that Dorit wants to see it and she's saying no.

We Wine Whenever (46:31.398)
and doesn't even remember what happened in the Viper Room. And then every conversation that she's had with anybody since the Viper Room has been about what Dorit has done and what she has done and what Dorit wants. But there's never been a conversation between her and Dorit. So if you think about it and you put all that together, yeah, it's gonna, it's gonna, yeah, I'm not sure. Like if she wants to, then she needs to, you know, it's all so roundabout. Everything is roundabout.

Kelli (46:34.217)
Right.

Kelli (46:58.579)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (47:00.95)
But I'm glad that like you phrased it the way you did, Lori. Like, you know, maybe she's referring to the media because when I was like, why does she think like, what was her point in this text?

Kelli (47:17.033)
But Dorit could take it as he confided in Kyle about things with their marriage and Kyle saying, I would never repeat it to Dorit. Like, that is how Dorit could read into it, you know, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (47:24.082)
Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (47:26.406)
Wait, you could, you certainly could, but that's.

We Wine Whenever (47:29.802)
well i think that's how everyone else read into it to be quite honest with you

We Wine Whenever (47:33.062)
Absolutely, but that's a problem with tax.

Kelli (47:33.203)
For sure, yeah. This is why Eric always says, don't send texts, just call people. can't, you you gotta hear in people's voices how they're saying things, because people will read it all different kinds of ways.

We Wine Whenever (47:39.432)
So it's a problem with tech.

We Wine Whenever (47:45.957)
Yes they do.

We Wine Whenever (47:47.574)
Stay tuned.

Kelli (47:47.9)
and you never put anything in writing.

We Wine Whenever (47:49.914)
Right. I personally, I think that I feel like there's definitely a little more to it than Kyle's putting out there. I think she protested too much. I think she just, I just think there's a little more there than she's saying.

We Wine Whenever (47:50.198)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (47:51.394)
You

We Wine Whenever (48:13.342)
You know, because there has to be because she's the one who admitted herself that PK has been a better friend to her than Dorit. So obviously, you know, I'm not.

Kelli (48:23.615)
That was a pretty bold statement.

You're talking to him about something if you're saying he's a better friend than his wife. Because you're not talking to her at all.

We Wine Whenever (48:30.714)
Right. He ain't no right. And he's no better friend because he's sending you funny fucking shit. So.

Kelli (48:37.031)
No, or because he's hanging out with your estranged husband.

We Wine Whenever (48:41.618)
husband.

We Wine Whenever (48:41.864)
Well, do you think that that's what it's about though? Do you think that that's what PK and Kyle's messaging is about? Is it about Mo? Like is Kyle getting some sort of comfort from PK? Like is PK saying like, listen, hang in there, like Mo's trying to figure it out? I don't know. Is he trying to be a cheerleader?

Kelli (49:02.941)
just can't keep getting involved like that.

We Wine Whenever (49:08.094)
I don't know.

Kelli (49:09.139)
I don't know.

We Wine Whenever (49:10.13)
I don't know, but the point of the matter is, is that it really doesn't fucking matter. Because once shit went south, she's Dorit's friend. You should have just abandoned the ship and been like, you know what? I could just see this going bad. You're a great guy. I wish you luck. Catch up through Moe in regards to where a PK's at, you know, but not just...

Kelli (49:14.568)
Right.

Kelli (49:20.35)
Right.

Kelli (49:35.401)
Great.

We Wine Whenever (49:43.22)
I mean, listen, I agree with what you're saying. And the other thing I was looking at with this whole situation is, I don't think this timeline is as long as we think it is that Kyle and PK were texting because they made the announcement in the first episode. Like that's when the announcement came out because Dorit told Erica before the announcement came out. And that was in the first episode.

Kelli (50:08.382)
Yeah.

But I think according to Kyle, they had been texting for years like that.

We Wine Whenever (50:13.754)
Yeah, they said they've been texting from here. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (50:14.948)
No, that's what they had been texting for years. That's what I'm saying. They had been texting for years. So what I'm saying is the information that they were texting after they were separated had just come out. Like it's not like that had been going on for a long time. Maybe at this point it's been a couple of weeks at most. Do you know what I'm saying? Like this timeline, like we're on episode seven. We're on episode seven. You know, we've seen Kyle, we've seen Mo, like

Kelli (50:19.313)
Yeah.

Kelli (50:33.406)
Yeah.

Kelli (50:41.01)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (50:44.692)
The news came out like it seems like it's a long time But I really don't know how long that time frame is and as soon as she found out that it was a problem She said listen, I won't do it anymore. I Won't do it anymore. I Pick your side Yes, they had been doing it. They had been doing it. But as soon like when she found out it was a problem She says all right, I won't do it anymore. I don't really think this is just me looking at the timeline

Kelli (51:00.339)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (51:14.268)
When we found out they were separated on the first episode, now we're on episode seven, you know, these, it's not that big of a timeframe that it was announced and that this is all coming out.

Kelli (51:26.302)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (51:26.972)
Yeah, but you know what? Maybe, listen, it's fricking show. Maybe production was like, hey, make this texting thing a big deal.

We Wine Whenever (51:36.913)
Yeah, I mean, I don't know.

We Wine Whenever (51:37.778)
I mean, it's a,

Kelli (51:38.591)
I mean, they're pretty much basing their whole fight about it, around it, you know? Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (51:42.236)
So you know what I'm saying? But maybe who knows who chose that to be the topic is what I'm saying. Everybody needs their paycheck. So if production said, hey, let's make this texting thing a big deal, then that's what they're gonna do.

We Wine Whenever (51:42.941)
Well, that is what it's about.

Kelli (51:48.689)
Of course. Of course.

We Wine Whenever (51:52.199)
Because

We Wine Whenever (52:02.897)
I don't know.

We Wine Whenever (52:03.773)
I don't know either.

Kelli (52:04.051)
While poor Boze is still trying to recover from her surgery and now Garcelle's knocking on her door to visit her. Can the girl rest? She did bring her food. Garcelle is a good friend.

We Wine Whenever (52:10.671)
Yes, but she brings food.

We Wine Whenever (52:12.538)
At least she brings food. Yeah, least she brought food. And how about when Gorsel says, Dorit is an embryo in your coochie. Her sister says that Nikko kid, his face, he was just like, he was so aghast. It was so cute.

We Wine Whenever (52:25.029)
Up your coochie.

Kelli (52:30.163)
Yes, he's adorable.

They are so... They are so bitter about Bo's and Dorit's friendship.

We Wine Whenever (52:41.36)
And you know, said, Bo said on the after show how hypocritical it is. She's like, so why is it okay for Sutton and Garcelle to be better friends than other people in the group, but it's not okay that I happen to like Dorit?

We Wine Whenever (52:41.459)
They are.

Kelli (53:00.113)
Exactly. again, Garcelle totally went there to recruit her. Like, stop.

We Wine Whenever (53:04.88)
Yeah. And Garcelle even said, Garcelle even said on the after show, she said, well, know, during it was hogging the whole situation with Bose. So nobody else could get to know her. Come on. Stop, stop, stop it. Just foolishness.

Kelli (53:17.447)
It's so bizarre to me.

We Wine Whenever (53:23.959)
It is like middle school. is...

Kelli (53:23.976)
It's like middle school.

We Wine Whenever (53:25.562)
Yeah. And then when they were trying to like, they were going back and forth and, Jennifer Tilly was like, you know, cause they were all talking on the after show like, like why would Baaz want to be friends with Dorit? And Jennifer Tilly was like, well, you know, Baaz does like to solve a problem. So maybe that's why she's attracted to Dorit. I don't know. just, who gives a shit? Just be glad. Listen, if yous all don't like her.

Kelli (53:49.023)
feel like that's not nice.

We Wine Whenever (53:54.994)
Just be glad that she's got somebody else to talk to and move on. There you go. There you go.

Kelli (53:57.759)
Exactly, now you don't have to listen to her go on and on and on like you all complain about. But Garcelle tells Boze about the text and her reaction was our initial reaction.

We Wine Whenever (54:06.684)
Correct.

We Wine Whenever (54:07.057)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (54:10.054)
Yes, yes. She also says that she didn't realize that there was so much vitriol between them. Like she, until she saw them at the Viper room, she's like, I didn't realize it was, you know. And she had seen them at that other party, like when she first met Dorit. So, you know, it's not like it's the first time, you know.

Kelli (54:20.403)
now.

Kelli (54:26.12)
Right.

Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (54:30.992)
But we do see in the coming attractions, because it pretty much ends there with Garcelle that they're at the spa and Boze asked Kyle to read the text. So that's when we see her crying and saying that she's done with the show. So again, absolutely, she must be there. So that's when it's going to come out, because even Garcelle and Boze said, well, who's going to tell Dorie?

Kelli (54:49.191)
And Dorit must be there, right?

We Wine Whenever (54:59.685)
And they're both like, not me, like not me. So Bose does it at the spa and puts Kyle on the spot. Yeah, that's next week. So.

Kelli (55:02.324)
Bye.

Kelli (55:06.111)
Yeah, next one. That's next week, right?

Ooh.

We Wine Whenever (55:12.473)
Yeah, it's a lot. A lot of drama. A lot of drama in Beverly Hills.

We Wine Whenever (55:12.998)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, there was not a lot of, know, sometimes when they have like kind of like, I kind of call it like a fluff scene, you know, not necessarily anything to write home about, but no fluff scenes in this episode, no fluff scene. was all, every scene was pretty like, you know, when you're taking, you know, something to write about. So.

Kelli (55:14.909)
Yeah, it is.

Kelli (55:29.159)
Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (55:31.601)
Yeah, I know.

Kelli (55:38.301)
Right. And transitional, like transitioning from one thing to another, Well, that's it. Next week should be good.

We Wine Whenever (55:39.217)
Yeah.

Right. Yeah.

Next week, we have to wait and see. The texts are finally going to come out. Listen, like you said, Dorit and Kyle appear to be in a good place now. hopefully, you know, we'll get to see. If not, you know, by the end of the season, we'll certainly find out at the reunion, you know, where they're at or, you know, how they got there. It came out today that

We Wine Whenever (55:47.887)
Interesting.

Well, that's good.

Kelli (55:59.911)
Right. Yeah.

Kelli (56:08.979)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (56:13.042)
Okay.

We Wine Whenever (56:15.526)
The entire OC cast is coming back except for Alexis, which I'm glad to hear that. I mean, I'm not glad to hear about Tamara, but I'm glad to hear that Alexis isn't coming back.

Kelli (56:20.531)
Yeah. Thank you, Jesus.

Kelli (56:28.895)
I can't believe they're giving Tamra another season.

We Wine Whenever (56:31.868)
Well, because it gives somebody shit to talk about. I mean, because in the end, these are shows and they're produced. So as much as they, you know, suck you into their relationships or what's shown about their relationships, like who knows? Who knows what's real and what's bullshit because in the end it's show.

Kelli (56:34.911)
Yeah.

Kelli (56:41.117)
Right. Right.

Kelli (56:53.503)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (56:59.023)
That's true. That's very true.

We Wine Whenever (56:59.986)
You know what mean? It's a show.

We Wine Whenever (57:04.377)
Okay, I guess nothing else. You guys have anything else?

We Wine Whenever (57:08.792)
Nope, I gots a nothin'.

We Wine Whenever (57:10.691)
Okay, until next time, thank you for watching. Please follow us anywhere you get your podcast and we're also on YouTube. Bye.

We Wine Whenever (57:19.706)
Yes. Bye.

Kelli (57:20.86)
Bye.