RHOP-Kisses, Fireworks, and Feels in Panama

RHOP-Kisses, Fireworks, and Feels in Panama
RHOP S9 E14 - "Red, White and Smooch"

July 4th Festivities in Panama:

• • Giselle shares her daughters’ camp counselor stories, earning time and a half.
  • Ashley forgets it's a holiday for her kids. Stacey feels emotional spending the holiday away from her daughter, reflecting on a trip with her mom after her father’s passing.
• Catamaran Adventure:
  • Mia apologizes to Giselle and agrees children should be off-limits in discussions.
  • Wendy reveals Deborah is countersuing Keirna for $7M. Keirna shares concerns about Greg’s overprotectiveness due to prior drama.
  • Giselle rallies everyone for the boat adventure; Gaston, the captain, jokingly states the only rule is no falling off.
• Boat Drama:
  • Karen feels unwell and stays inside. Ashley reflects on Keirna and Greg’s unfulfilled engagement expectations in Paris.
  • Mia and Jacqueline discuss their history of watching each other in intimate situations, leading to awkward moments for other ladies.
• Final Night in Panama:
  • Ashley and Jacqueline kiss, stirring drama with Mia, who later takes jabs at both during dinner. Ashley announces Jacqueline deemed her a better kisser, leading to another kiss.
  • Liberation celebration with toasts to bonding, independence, and Panama.
  • Karen oversleeps breakfast; Giselle shares Jamal’s remarriage news. Mia faces questions about traveling to Atlanta for her oldest child’s basketball game instead of retrieving her kids in Virginia.
• Closing Moments:
  • Fireworks mark the end of the trip. Wendy takes pride in uniting the women.

Takeaways

• The emotional impact of holidays on families is significant.
• Giselle's character development this season is refreshing.
• Reality TV often lacks transparency about personal issues.
• Friendship dynamics can shift dramatically in reality shows.
• The setting of a catamaran adds a fun element to the episode.
• Stacey's struggles highlight the challenges of divorce.
• The hosts appreciate lighter, more fun interactions among cast members.
• Controversial topics can overshadow genuine connections.
• Viewers are tired of overly staged moments in reality TV.
• Authenticity is key to maintaining viewer interest. The dinner drama reveals deeper issues among the cast.
• Celebration themes often mask underlying tensions.
• Questioning authenticity in personal narratives is common.
• Reality TV can impact personal relationships significantly.
• Redemption arcs are complex and often scrutinized.
• Viewers play a crucial role in shaping reality TV narratives.
• The ethics of featuring felons on reality TV is debated.
• Podcast recommendations can enhance understanding of current events.
• Personal growth is possible after public scrutiny.
• Community and connection are vital in reality TV discussions.

Transcript

We Wine Whenever (00:00.736)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:03.494)
I'm Kelly.

We Wine Whenever (00:05.227)
We are going to be talking about Real Housewives of Potomac, Season 9, Episode 14.

Kelli (00:11.652)
Yes, but first I'd like to show that we got our Sprinkle by MG cookies. So we're going to be unboxing them sometime in the future. Not tonight. It's too late and we're tired. We're exhausted.

We Wine Whenever (00:16.715)
Yay.

We Wine Whenever (00:24.077)
It's too late. We don't want to taste sprinkle cookies now.

Kelli (00:27.0)
No, we really don't. We don't. Friday's a better sprinkle cookie night or Saturday.

We Wine Whenever (00:33.993)
Yeah, so this episode is called Red, White and Smooch. Yeah. Yeah, we are on day three in Panama and it happens to be the fourth of July and Gisele is talking about the holiday and how her girls are working. They're camp counselors and they're making time and a half because it's the holiday.

Kelli (00:38.896)
Yeah. I get it.

We Wine Whenever (00:59.053)
As she said, she forgot the kids didn't have school today because it's July 4th. And I thought, well, the kids don't have school in the summer, but they're probably preschool anyway because their kids are little. Yeah.

Kelli (01:07.814)
I was thinking the same thing. Like, you know, when our kids were little and they went to Ocean Early, then you send them to summer camp at Ocean Early. you know, you just still call it school. But at first I was like, yeah, why are her kids in school? But yeah.

We Wine Whenever (01:15.008)
Right.

Right, exactly.

We Wine Whenever (01:22.509)
Stacey is upset that she's on the phone with her daughter Arabella and this is the first holiday that she spent without her. And she starts talking about how 17 years ago her and her mom went on a trip and it was after her dad had passed and she went up meeting her husband on that trip.

Kelli (01:45.655)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (01:47.533)
you know, she's just kind of really feeling it today. that, you know, it was 17 years ago, she met her husband and now they're getting divorced and you know, she's, it's like starting to sink in, I think, you know.

Kelli (02:01.094)
It doesn't really seem like she wants to get divorced, does she?

We Wine Whenever (02:05.272)
no, she doesn't. She d-

Kelli (02:08.144)
Like I really wonder if her husband initiated this.

We Wine Whenever (02:11.434)
Yeah, there's a lot about it we don't know. You know, we don't know why she's getting divorced. We don't know. We don't know. We really don't.

Kelli (02:13.592)
Yeah.

Kelli (02:18.084)
Yeah, I wish we did know more. Like you came on a reality show at this point in your life, like, can you just give us a little something? Because the TJ thing is not working.

We Wine Whenever (02:26.368)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (02:29.91)
That would be nice. No, it really is not. So the ladies all agree that they're gonna be there for Stacey today. And the plan for the day is they're gonna go out on a catamaran and they're gonna go kayaking.

Kelli (02:46.99)
love going on to Katamaran. I went on one in Key West. Very fun. Yeah. Yeah, very fun.

We Wine Whenever (02:49.068)
you did? Nice.

Mia says to Giselle, I want to make sure that you really understand that I apologize and I agree that we should not talk about our children. It's off limits. What? Yeah.

Kelli (03:06.822)
Good call, Mia. I wonder if that was true though. Did you mention it? That you had heard that Mia called her daughter sluts?

We Wine Whenever (03:15.444)
yeah, or whores, yeah. Yeah, no, I think it was true because I heard Carlos King was talking about it. I think it was, I'm almost positive it was Carlos King.

Kelli (03:17.231)
Woo!

Kelli (03:23.439)
Kelli (03:27.384)
I heard him on Heather McDonald this week and he was very good. I gotta give it to him.

We Wine Whenever (03:30.076)
Yes. Yeah, he was. I heard him on Heather Macdonald too. It wasn't that episode. It was another episode I heard him talking about. Or maybe it was even the Bros show, formerly Brav Bros. I don't know why they changed their name.

Kelli (03:45.943)
Either I was thinking the same thing.

We Wine Whenever (03:47.584)
They changed their intro, they changed their name.

Kelli (03:50.768)
Like even if you're gonna cover more shows than Bravo, why are you like rebranding already?

We Wine Whenever (03:57.206)
I think that there may be an outside force doing it.

So I would love an outside force to rebrand us. I like their new intro. incorporated something that I said I wanted to do is where they start talking about a part of the episode and then you hear their intro and then they go into the episode.

Kelli (04:04.37)
Yeah, for sure. For sure. Come in, make your changes, do what you gotta do.

Kelli (04:21.742)
Yeah, I like it. Melissa's always done that too.

We Wine Whenever (04:24.627)
Yes, she has. So I'm going to try and figure it out. We're going to try and do that too. We're going to try and do a different intro too. Yeah. And beef up our intro a little bit. I don't know. It's just a work in progress over here. That's it. That's it. That's what we're doing.

Kelli (04:31.152)
teaser.

Kelli (04:38.662)
We sure are. Throwing spaghetti at the wall and seeing what sticks.

I did love how Stacey kept cuddling up to Gisele though and Gisele was like, okay. And then when Stacey got emotional about her father and her husband and all that, then Gisele was like, all right, you can touch me.

We Wine Whenever (04:49.94)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (04:57.617)
Yeah, know Giselle doesn't like to not a hugger Giselle is not a hugger.

Kelli (05:02.434)
No, my friend Lisa at the salon is like that too and we always tease her.

We Wine Whenever (05:07.881)
So then Wendy is talking to Kiarna that, letting her know that Deborah is countersuing her for... is it seven million dollars?

Kelli (05:18.18)
I think it was $7.1 million. Where do these bitches think that these women are getting this money?

We Wine Whenever (05:23.356)
And where are they coming up with these figures?

Kelli (05:26.178)
Exactly. Sorry, I shouldn't have called them bitches. That just kind of came out.

We Wine Whenever (05:30.666)
She's talking about how Greg is trying to shelter her and he's always worried about her when he goes when she goes out with the girls that you know there's gonna be another fight or something and Because of what happened with Deborah and the glass

Kelli (05:42.566)
I feel like Eric would be the same way, quite honestly. I really do.

We Wine Whenever (05:45.521)
Yeah, I mean I could imagine, yeah.

Kelli (05:49.38)
Like, you know, you're gonna be with them again. I mean, even though obviously he knew she signed on for the show, but still that was a traumatic thing. So, you know, he's gonna want to make sure she's safe.

We Wine Whenever (05:56.296)
Yeah, I agree.

We Wine Whenever (06:00.882)
No, I totally agree. And then right after it had happened that he took her on this trip to Paris. Now, I didn't realize it until Ashley started talking about it later on that that trip, I thought that he took her on the trip to Paris to decompress, but it sounds like what, from what Ashley said, it was a trip that was already planned and he was possibly going to propose to her.

Kelli (06:24.474)
Yeah, so I totally agree with you. I think when Kiana first mentioned the trip, it did sound like he was doing that because of what had happened to get her away from the situation. But the trip was already planned. And we didn't know this either, but she thought she was getting engaged.

We Wine Whenever (06:33.949)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (06:42.932)
Right. And we only know this because Ashley talked about it and how she felt guilty because she brought Deborah into the group and she feels like she may have inadvertently like stopped the engagement. Yeah. And she's, you know, she loves love, but she's, Ashley's like, you know, she loves love. Like she's, you know, up to get married again. Like she, and she would want that for somebody else, you know?

Kelli (06:49.517)
Yeah.

Kelli (06:54.83)
Appetizer engagement.

questioning her judge of character.

Kelli (07:08.74)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (07:13.428)
So then Giselle's calling, well this is actually happening all throughout it, Giselle's calling her villa the goat that she shares with Stacey whenever anyone walks over because they were all eating there. She's like, welcome to the goat. And then they're getting ready to leave to go to the catamaran. And she tells them all to exit the goat so that they can get ready for the catamaran adventure.

Kelli (07:33.286)
I am enjoying Gisele this season and I didn't see it coming.

We Wine Whenever (07:38.193)
Yeah, she is really good this season. She's not overproducing. She's not micromanaging. She's just kind of having fun, which is what we want.

Kelli (07:40.134)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (07:46.372)
Yep, exactly. We do want that. We do want that. it wouldn't be happening if Robin were still on the show. Because Robin was, and listen, for good reason now we know, Robin was very set on trying to expose Karen for things because Robin's life was blowing up in front of the world, really, publicly. And Karen clearly had some skeletons in her closet.

We Wine Whenever (07:54.899)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (08:10.461)
Yes, yes.

Kelli (08:16.142)
We didn't know. And I think that that's why Robin was trying so hard to expose her. And I get it. But it just wasn't a good look. The producers were not editing it that way. They were editing it in a totally different way. So it's and like I said, I get it. But this is just a much more fun Giselle to watch, in my opinion.

We Wine Whenever (08:39.101)
I totally agree. I totally agree.

So Ashley's talking to Giselle about, and she's questioning the choices she's made with her friends, meaning Deborah and her husband, Michael. And she's FaceTiming with Josh. I thought it was cute that they share jokes with each other every day. I think they are cute together. I did not see her on Watch What Happens Live after the episode. I don't know if we got an update on him or not.

Kelli (08:54.555)
Yeah.

Kelli (09:02.532)
Yeah.

Kelli (09:10.734)
I didn't either. I didn't watch it. She looked adorable because I saw her walk out, but I didn't watch it.

We Wine Whenever (09:14.921)
Yeah, I didn't watch it either. One of us should have. well. Yeah, I think that there was an update, but I unfortunately didn't get a chance to watch it. All the ladies are walking, you know, to get onto the boat, they're on the dock and they all have on high heels again. It's like you're getting on a boat.

Kelli (09:18.798)
And I'm sure somebody asked if they're still together.

Kelli (09:36.794)
And you're getting on a catamaran. Like, that's not, you know, we're not going on a yacht, we're not, yeah. If it's choppy, you're gonna feel it.

We Wine Whenever (09:38.834)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (09:42.845)
Right. Even if you are going on a yacht, even if you are going on a yacht, you need to not be wearing high heels. There's certain footwear that's appropriate for a boat. it's exactly, it's either barefoot or boat shoes. I mean, I could see you don't want to walk on the dock barefoot, but still you shouldn't be wearing high heels on a dock either.

Kelli (09:54.084)
or barefoot, that's what they do on Below Deck.

Kelli (10:04.762)
You don't want to wear high heels on a dock either. I mean, I remember going to Jenkinson's in my early 20s and wearing my heels and my damn heel getting stuck between the boards on my way to the bar. Struggles, the 21 year old struggles we faced.

We Wine Whenever (10:10.418)
and the boardwalk.

We Wine Whenever (10:17.48)
Yeah. You don't want to do that.

The boat captain's name is Gaston and he says the only rule of the boat is that nobody is to fall off. I think that's easy enough, right?

Kelli (10:36.992)
solid wall legit

We Wine Whenever (10:41.753)
Wendy's commenting about how Karen is not herself on the boat. She is kind of quiet and kind of off to herself a bit.

Kelli (10:50.31)
I'm sure she was very worried this whole season about what was coming her way. Especially now we know what videos, what evidence they had and those videos were terrible. She knew about them, we didn't. So she must have been scared shitless while filming this season.

We Wine Whenever (10:52.773)
Yeah, I would imagine, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (11:09.168)
Yeah, yeah. So she's inside on the boat and she says that she feels like she's gonna get seasick, which could be, you know, I mean, that could be true. Me and Wendy are talking about the kids and she said the kids are good and they're gonna stay there until she gets home where they're at in Virginia or West Virginia, in West Virginia. And they kind of question her like, why not go get them?

And she said, well, I talked to them. They're having fun. They're enjoying themselves. They want to stay there. So it goes back to maybe it wasn't such a big deal where they were. It's not like it wasn't someone that.

Kelli (11:51.11)
Well, let's put it this way. If they were still at Jacqueline's house, right? Because that's where they were supposed to be at Jacqueline's house with the nanny. Would she have not gone home then either? Would she have gone to see her other son and ink and left them at Jacqueline's house?

We Wine Whenever (11:57.914)
Right.

Kelli (12:09.028)
Nothing me it does make sense.

We Wine Whenever (12:10.841)
No, and that's something else I read that supposedly her and Ink really are not broken up.

Kelli (12:18.63)
See what I mean? Like, there's nothing authentic about her. She's just a big phony baloney.

We Wine Whenever (12:22.597)
Right.

Yeah.

Kelli (12:27.246)
I don't like it.

We Wine Whenever (12:28.367)
I don't like it either. I don't know if it's true or not either, it's, you know, it is what it is. Ashley's feeling guilty about the Greg and Kiana thing. And she actually, she talks to Kiana about it, which I was surprised that she did. And I'm glad that she did.

Kelli (12:52.398)
And what she said was very nice.

We Wine Whenever (12:54.789)
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. And I'm glad because they weren't really getting off on a good foot. And I don't think it really was Ashley's fault. I don't think that she was trying to be messy when she made that comment about the scar. Yeah, I really don't. I don't.

Kelli (13:08.326)
about the score.

Kelli (13:12.176)
I hope not.

I mean, that's a woman's face.

We Wine Whenever (13:18.308)
Yeah, exactly. It is a woman's face. Then it's, you know, it's other bullshit stuff I don't like. Jacqueline and me are talking about how they've watched each other have sex with other people.

Kelli (13:29.936)
Yeah, like here we fucking go again. Nobody interested. It's fucking trash. It's such trash and you're making yourself look like trash.

We Wine Whenever (13:33.072)
Like this show? No.

We Wine Whenever (13:42.755)
It's true. It does look trashy. It's really trashy.

We Wine Whenever (13:49.859)
You know, the

Kelli (13:50.01)
I really hope neither one of them come back next year. I never get what I want though. They'll be back.

We Wine Whenever (13:56.172)
I don't know. might get, I mean, listen, don't, Karen's probably not coming back, right? So Karen's not coming back. I would be surprised if Mia comes back and if there's no need for Jacqueline if Mia doesn't come back.

Kelli (14:01.241)
Nah.

Kelli (14:10.148)
No, definitely not. And I don't think Jacqueline's coming back no matter what. I don't think anyone wants Jacqueline back. She's not adding anything other than this trash.

We Wine Whenever (14:17.922)
No, she's... Yeah, it is, it's totally trash. And it's funny because a lot of our listeners are putting those in our comments too. Like they're stopped, they don't even watch it anymore because of this trash. Like that's not why we watch these shows. We don't need to see, we don't want to hear about their sex lives or their positions or who's... We don't want that. We don't want to see them dressed trashy with, you know, their body parts hang. We don't need to see that.

Kelli (14:33.72)
is not.

Kelli (14:37.925)
No.

Kelli (14:46.767)
No.

We Wine Whenever (14:47.493)
We don't need to see that.

Kelli (14:49.114)
Or that Mia was a fluffer for, you know, Jaclyn's guy when she was getting ready to hook up with him. Like, now we're good. All set.

We Wine Whenever (14:53.722)
Yeah.

No, mean, Kiorna and Giselle do ask Stacey if she's a missionary girl. And I like that Stacey was not having any part of it. She didn't answer the question. She's like, I'm not having any part of this conversation and good for her.

Kelli (15:10.79)
Yeah, it's nobody's business.

We Wine Whenever (15:13.537)
It really isn't. It really isn't. So it's the last night of the trip. And Ashley tells Jacqueline that she's surprised that she hasn't tried to kiss her yet.

Kelli (15:26.692)
I felt that this scene, when Ashley goes to see Jacqueline in the bathroom, I felt like this was extremely staged. They most certainly had a conversation prior to this being filmed, and it was stupid.

We Wine Whenever (15:30.543)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (15:36.473)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (15:40.301)
Yeah. I mean, Jacqueline's response is that Mia would be super jealous. And if we do it, we can't let Mia know. Well, you can't say that to Ashley because you know what Ashley's going to do.

Kelli (15:53.54)
Yeah, and come on Jacqueline, like, it's just, it's just stupid. The whole thing's stupid. I'm not gonna say what I wanna say, cause I'm gonna get bashed for slut shaming her and I don't wanna do it.

We Wine Whenever (16:01.911)
Yeah. So then the ladies all get dressed up for dinner. Whoops. And they get dressed and they're getting on the bus and Mia is wearing a dress that Wendy wore already that season.

Kelli (16:14.181)
Wendy is so funny because first Karen's party, I didn't realize how much Karen's party did look like Wendy's party. She's like, if you want to be me, just tell me or whatever she said. That was so funny.

We Wine Whenever (16:21.154)
Right. It was funny. It was. And she reiterates that they are there for the liberation celebration. That's the whole reason for this trip. They're at dinner. Ashley announces that her and Mia or her and Jacqueline kissed and you can see Mia's face that she is not happy.

And she starts making like jabs at it. she starts, Ashley said, Jacqueline said I was a better kiss, a better kisser. And Mia said lies because I kissed more, I kissed more than what you kissed. Again, having to just take it another step further.

We Wine Whenever (17:15.939)
I'm not into it either. I'm not either. The ladies all go watch the fireworks. Wendy now pats herself on the back and she thinks she's responsible for bringing the ladies together. I mean, I don't know. I don't know if that's what you think happened. Okay.

Kelli (17:30.246)
Okay.

Kelli (17:34.554)
You know what Mia reminds me of? You know how people, like my parents always said, like when people talk about money a lot, it means they don't have it. Like when people try to pretend they have more money than they do, then they really don't have it. So Mia's like that, but with like her like sexual, you know.

We Wine Whenever (17:41.134)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (17:45.528)
Yeah, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (17:55.651)
Yes.

Kelli (17:57.424)
Her whole vibe. Like she's so sexual, she's so freaky, she's so this. Like the more you talk about it, the more I'm starting to question it. She might be a missionary girl and we don't even know it.

We Wine Whenever (17:58.936)
Yeah, she talks about it.

We Wine Whenever (18:06.306)
Well, Brynn is the same way.

no, she's not a missionary girl. mean, she was a dancer.

Kelli (18:11.482)
I don't know. The more you talk about it, the more I start to question it.

Yes, she was.

We Wine Whenever (18:19.531)
I, she, no, she's definitely not.

Kelli (18:23.303)
I'm starting to question everything about me.

We Wine Whenever (18:28.259)
So the next morning Karen slept through breakfast Giselle tells the ladies that Jamal is getting remarried I'm surprised

Kelli (18:38.27)
how about who asked who asked Giselle? Would they ask her?

Is she-

shoot, I should have wrote it down. You know what was happening? My TV was glitching while this was filming and my like Tess and Andrew were cooking steaks in the kitchen and Joe and Adriana were like, everybody was all over the place. Way too much going on. But they basically asked her like Giselle, like, you know, is she good looking or whatever? And Giselle was like, well, she's this, like, and I'm sure she's not because Giselle is a very fine lady.

We Wine Whenever (19:01.539)
There's too much going on.

We Wine Whenever (19:12.321)
Yeah, yeah, no.

We Wine Whenever (19:17.9)
Yes, she's beautiful. She really is. Jacqueline then calls PP to let him know that she kissed Ashley and Maya. Okay, we didn't need to see that either.

Kelli (19:19.418)
She is beautiful.

Kelli (19:30.374)
Yeah.

No, and then he's like, is that all you have to tell me? And she says, for now. What does that mean?

We Wine Whenever (19:36.875)
Yeah, exactly. What does that mean?

Kelli (19:43.566)
And does PP even give a shit? Because it really doesn't seem like he does.

We Wine Whenever (19:46.275)
And why would he? Because he's only pee pee.

Kelli (19:50.092)
Exactly. Your kids aren't even with them right now, they're with a nanny.

We Wine Whenever (19:52.444)
She doesn't have to answer to him? Yeah, she doesn't answer to him. They're not together.

Kelli (19:57.572)
Right, right, so what does he care? He probably cares about as much as we care, and we don't care.

We Wine Whenever (20:02.819)
Exactly. That's so true. That is so true. This is when Wendy asks me if she's going to Atlanta instead of going to get the kids in Virginia. And she says, you know, her oldest has the basketball game. Not true. Totally not true. No, I do too. And they, they are, they toast to getting closer and they choose liberation and they toast to Panama. And like I said, Wendy,

Kelli (20:21.188)
I doubt it. I doubt it. True.

We Wine Whenever (20:32.542)
is the one who, you know, got them all together and allowed this to happen, which I call bullshit, but all right, if that's what you want to say, then go right ahead.

Kelli (20:40.228)
Yeah. How about Wendy saying that she knows when Kjorn is going to get engaged?

We Wine Whenever (20:45.536)
Yeah, how can she say that?

Kelli (20:47.566)
I mean, maybe Greg and Happy Eddie have formed some kind of friendship. I could see that, you know, and maybe he confided in Happy Eddie. Happy Eddie seems like a very loyal, trustworthy man.

We Wine Whenever (20:53.888)
Maybe. Yeah, that's possible.

We Wine Whenever (21:02.113)
Okay, so maybe we will see this. But wait a second, are we gonna see it? What episode number did I say we're on? We're on 14 and we know they filmed the reunion, so what do we have, another episode or two?

Kelli (21:04.357)
I hope so.

Kelli (21:14.83)
Yeah, but they didn't say what said season finale Salt Lake. I haven't watched. I haven't watched the most recent Salt Lake episode yet, but I think there's the one I haven't watched. And then they announced the season finale, which would be next week. So that's ending. I would imagine this. mean, I feel like they're all right in a row. Potomac, New York, Salt Lake. then did Beverly Hills come on last? Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (21:19.988)
yes.

We Wine Whenever (21:41.565)
Yeah, we only did set, I think the next Beverly Hills is seven that we haven't done yet. That was this week.

Kelli (21:46.852)
Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, I feel like the three of these are going to wind down now. Well, New York already filmed their reunion. Potomac already filmed their reunion. And Salt Lake already filmed theirs.

We Wine Whenever (21:55.348)
And Salt Lake did theirs. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah, because we have summer houses coming on, right? What's coming on?

Kelli (21:59.802)
What the hell are we going to talk about? We're going to find something.

Kelli (22:07.578)
Yeah, I never feel like we could do a whole episode about that. Well, Summer House is on Southern Charms, on Southern Hospitality. Maybe we do an episode where we cover all of those. And I do want to watch that Girl's Gone Wild documentary. We could talk about that. And we still have to do Menendez Brothers.

We Wine Whenever (22:23.594)
Okay, yes. We still have to do the Bonendez brothers. Yeah, we do have a lot that we can still talk about. Before I forget, it just came out, page six put it out today that Jen Shaw's sentence has been reduced again. This is the third time. Right now she's looking at November of 2026 and they say that they'll probably be reduced again before then. So.

Kelli (22:30.374)
You're sure.

Kelli (22:49.574)
She must be doing a damn good job there. Yeah, me too.

We Wine Whenever (22:52.129)
actually heard she is.

Which, okay, you know, do your time. Go ahead, do your time.

Kelli (22:58.458)
The thing is, is just come out and don't rip people off. You know what I mean? Like, I hope she comes out humbled. know, Teresa came out, she seemed to be humbled, but then she kind of went right back to her old ways when Louie came into the picture. I mean, honestly, I really think she was very humbled until he came along. I blame him for her.

We Wine Whenever (23:02.644)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (23:14.123)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (23:20.481)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (23:24.132)
reversion back to her old self. But so hopefully Jen comes out and stays humbled and Coach Shaw is not going to let her not be humbled.

We Wine Whenever (23:24.277)
Downfall. Yeah, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (23:35.038)
Yeah, I hope that that happens too. hope, you know, and

Kelli (23:37.946)
Maybe we'll see her again. But I don't know because it doesn't seem like she's on good terms with any of the ladies anymore.

We Wine Whenever (23:43.656)
Well, and I don't know that it would be right either if Bravo did bring her back based on what happened to her. You know, why she pled guilty and what she did.

Kelli (23:55.546)
I know it was a different time because it was a long time ago when, you know, Teresa had her issues, but I do feel that if someone commits a felony, is found guilty of a felony, you should not put them back on TV.

We Wine Whenever (24:00.97)
Yeah.

Kelli (24:11.802)
That's just my personal opinion.

We Wine Whenever (24:14.399)
Yeah. No, mean, listen, I was going to say it really comes down to the viewers because if the viewers don't watch it, then they won't put them on TV. But if the viewers watch it, they're going to put it on TV.

Kelli (24:18.468)
maybe it'll get people to do the right thing.

Kelli (24:29.903)
Unfortunately, that's true.

We Wine Whenever (24:31.57)
So, you know, we get to have a small say in it whether or not we watch it. There was something else very pressing I wanted to talk about, but now I can't remember what it is.

Kelli (24:36.27)
Yeah, a little bit, a little bit.

We Wine Whenever (24:49.504)
I know. I listened to, I'm still listening to it. Emily and Shane Brunette, what is it? Legally Brunette, her podcast, Simpson, Emily Simpson and her husband. well, there's, I know. So there's only been two. The first one was about the Menendez case. And then the second one, she gave a little bit update on the Menendez case and she's talking about

Kelli (25:01.946)
Yes. I haven't listened to that yet and I love them.

Okay, good, I can get caught up.

Okay.

We Wine Whenever (25:17.749)
the Blake Lively, New York Times, Balzoni, those lawsuits. And it turns out, which one thing I thought was very interesting is that the attorney that's representing the Menendez brothers is the same attorney that Balzoni is using to sue the New York Times. So I recommend to our listeners to listen to that one. I think it's called Legally Brunette.

Kelli (25:23.472)
Okay.

Kelli (25:38.331)
Okay.

Kelli (25:45.316)
Okay.

We Wine Whenever (25:45.354)
but it's under the two T's in the pod and there's only been two episodes and I didn't finish the second one but I did get a lot of information out of it.

Kelli (25:52.878)
Okay, I'm gonna listen to that. I haven't listened to 2Ts in a while. I'm up to date with Melissa's. I was in the middle, I finished the Juicy Scoop with Carlos King and I was in the middle of the Bravo docket talking about Gerardi.

We Wine Whenever (26:05.886)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (26:12.882)
I saw that one. didn't get it. How is that one? How's that going?

Kelli (26:15.736)
It's good. It's good. I stopped that one to listen to Juicy Scoop. So I'll go back to that. I'll go back to that now because I finished the Juicy Scoop. Because I listen to my car like wherever I am. just listen. when I did the humble humble, I started the humble brag. I did start a humble brag. Yeah, so maybe I finished the Tom Drew. I think I finished the Bravo Docket. I did. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (26:24.179)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (26:33.075)
Humble brag.

I love the humble brag. The latest one?

We Wine Whenever (26:42.139)
Okay. The latest humble brag, I don't know if you listened to that one where Crystal talks about what happened with the friends, the 14 friends. Okay, good. That's a good one. It's really, listen, I love that podcast. I love how real they are. I've never liked Crystal more to be quite honest with you.

Kelli (26:52.826)
I think that's the one I'm on.

Kelli (27:03.512)
Well, see, that's, you know, that's what happened with Teddy.

We Wine Whenever (27:08.179)
Yeah, but I don't like Teddy anymore.

Kelli (27:09.734)
I know, but she shouldn't have gone and wait, right, yeah, 14 friends. That's the one I'm on, but I literally just started it. Daddy shouldn't have cheated on her husband, man. You were so likable again. I mean, I thought so. People were still coming at her, I didn't, I thought she was, I still think she's really good on the podcast. And for me to continue listening, because I loathe Tamara.

We Wine Whenever (27:17.203)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (27:23.997)
Yeah, she was.

Yeah.

Kelli (27:38.51)
I cannot stand her. And I did like her on the podcast before she became a housewife again, but that was a tragic fail. And now I find her unbearable on the podcast.

We Wine Whenever (27:55.263)
Yeah, I have not, like, I haven't been listening to it like I used to. I will turn it on. If I like it, the topic I'll stay, but I saw there was, was scrolling through it too, because I scrolled through, I almost listened to, there's a new one of the two Eds. And I was gonna listen to that, but then I said, no, no, no, I wanna find the Emily one. So I went and found the Emily one, and then I'm gonna go back and listen. I wanna hear what's going on with the two Eds, especially since, you know, Edwin.

Kelli (27:59.204)
I know.

Kelli (28:04.463)
I know.

Kelli (28:12.666)
saw that.

Kelli (28:21.7)
Yeah, for sure.

We Wine Whenever (28:24.86)
and Teddy. I got him right here if we're talking about that.

Kelli (28:25.958)
Right.

Yeah, I gotta look up, I gotta look at Emily. gotta, like, cause I have to follow it and then, and then it'll just come up, right?

We Wine Whenever (28:37.36)
Yeah, but it's under the two T's.

Kelli (28:40.016)
I know, I wonder if it'll just come up. it was just there. Yeah, legally brunette.

Can I follow the show? Follow show, yeah. Yep, all right, good. So now her new ones will pop up on my thing. So that's what everybody at home has to do for WeWine whenever. Go to our podcast on Apple Podcasts and follow our podcast and then our new ones will just pop up.

We Wine Whenever (28:51.292)
You should be able to.

We Wine Whenever (29:04.732)
Or yes, or anywhere you listen, Spotify, iHeart, any place you listen to our podcast, if you could hit follow, that would be great. And tell your friends or share it. I wonder if any other podcasts talk about us, probably not. Do you think? Speaking of goals, our friend, New Jersey housewife, Danielle Cabral, is doing a party,

Kelli (29:08.281)
Right. Right.

Kelli (29:12.569)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (29:19.5)
Not yet. But these are all goals.

Kelli (29:28.677)
Mmm.

We Wine Whenever (29:33.421)
show up and eat food and scream party tomorrow night at a local, Sayreville restaurant, which good for her. I like Danielle. I think she's real.

Kelli (29:43.749)
Yes.

Me too, and if I did not have CCD, I mean, listen, we could still rally and go up. We could still rally.

We Wine Whenever (29:52.733)
I know, I say that now and I have all intentions and then when my ass gets home...

Kelli (29:55.928)
I know.

I know. You know what it is? It's so cold. If it were summer, we would totally be able to rally.

We Wine Whenever (30:03.121)
Gosh, it's so cold. It is so cold. And I work outside. I work outside. So when I get home, I'm very, I sometimes I just stand in front of the fireplace. I'm not joking. And like, it gets my whole back hot. Sorry. I get my back hot and just like, get warm. It's hard to leave that. It's hard to leave that. But we'll see. We'll see what happens.

Kelli (30:07.492)
It's ridiculous sequel to New Jersey. you do.

Kelli (30:16.272)
Yeah.

Kelli (30:19.919)
Yeah.

Kelli (30:25.092)
Yeah, I know. I don't blame you. Yeah, we'll see.

We Wine Whenever (30:32.102)
All right, so until next time, please follow us like Kelly said and tell your friends. Bye.

Kelli (30:37.894)
Bye.