RHOP-Panama Hat Trick: Rum, Drama, and Dinner

RHOP-Panama Hat Trick: Rum, Drama, and Dinner

The Real Housewives of Potomac (RHOP) Season 9, Episode 13, "Rum-ble in the Jungle," the ladies continue their eventful second day in Panama. The drama escalates as personal conflicts, family dynamics, and group tensions take center stage.

• Mia’s Family Struggles: Mia reveals her frustration with Gordon dropping their kids off at a former nanny's house four hours away and leaving for vacation. Jacqueline steps in to reassure Mia and find out the kids are safe.
• Shopping and Rum Tasting: The group heads to Panama City for shopping, rum tasting, and dinner. During hat shopping, Ashley confronts Mia about their strained relationship, leading to a heated exchange.
• Personal Updates: Kiarna discusses moving in with Greg and her ongoing legal case, while Giselle presses Karen about her relationship progress with Ray.
• Games and Gossip: A playful imitation game stirs laughs and light shade. Later, the ladies discuss Jacqueline and Mia’s past, with Giselle probing for details about their relationships.
• Dinner Drama: At dinner, Mia revisits her family issues and defends her unconventional parenting style. Tensions rise as Giselle and Ashley question her decisions, and Karen advises Mia to work on repairing relationships.

Takeaways

• Mia is struggling with control issues related to her family.
• The group dynamics shift as they engage in shopping and rum tasting.
• Gordon's actions raise questions about his relationship with Mia.
• The ladies' playful games reveal underlying tensions.
• Kierna's legal battles are a significant topic of discussion.
• Mia's past relationships continue to haunt her in the present.
• The importance of communication among friends is emphasized.
• Giselle's comments often stir the pot within the group.
• The episode showcases the blend of fun and drama typical of the series.
• The ladies' interactions highlight the complexities of their friendships. Mia's parenting choices are under scrutiny from her peers.
• Giselle expresses concern for the safety of Mia's children.
• Mia's apologies are questioned for their authenticity.
• The hosts believe Mia needs to fight her own battles.
• The discussion shifts to the appearance and hair color of the housewives.
• Mia's past as a performer is brought into the conversation.
• The hosts share updates on Jen Aiden's departure from the cruise ship.
• The baby shower for Rachel Fuda is highlighted as a fun event.
• The hosts discuss the dynamics of Southern Charm and Vanderpump Rules.
• The strong opinions about Lisa Vanderpump's legacy are noted.

Transcript

We Wine Whenever (00:00.94)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy. We are talking about Real Housewives of Potomac, Season 9, Episode Number 13. And this one is called Rum Bowl in the Jungle. And because they're rum tasting and they're in Panama. So it's day two in... Yep, they are rumbling. It's day two in Panama.

Kelli (00:03.686)
Kelly.

Kelli (00:17.07)
Kelli (00:20.742)
Right. They are rumbling.

That's clever.

We Wine Whenever (00:29.313)
And we kind of pick up where we left off that Mia is upset that cause she found out that she picked up her kids from Jacqueline's house and dropped them off at the old nanny's house, which was four hours away in another state.

Kelli (00:45.67)
Yeah, took us a while to figure out where the hell they were though.

We Wine Whenever (00:49.267)
Yeah, yeah. And Mia is, you know, is saying that with Gordon, it's a control thing and because he has no control over his life and no control over his career. So, you know, the children are what he feels like he has control over. Jacqueline, her friend is there with her trying to calm her down and she starts calling around and they find the kids and the kids are safe. And, you know, that

person that they're with, the old nanny, was the nanny for Mia's older son when he was younger. So, you know, she has a good relationship with this person. This person was like a second mother to her. She said that she was, at her wedding, was the mother of the bride because her mother was incarcerated at the time.

Kelli (01:29.959)
Yeah.

Kelli (01:36.786)
Leah, she must have gotten walked down the aisle by somebody.

We Wine Whenever (01:40.948)
Yes. So I guess I can understand now she's, you know, feeling a little bit better. The ladies are all going shopping for the day. They're gonna go shopping, they're gonna go rub tasting, and they're gonna go to dinner. So they get on the Sprinter van and I don't know, I don't know how it came up, but Kierner starts talking about her and Greg.

how they've been living together now officially for 90 days. They are building a house together, but it's not done yet. It's gonna be a little while, but she moved in with him.

then Giselle brings up to Karen that Ray had told Giselle that Karen has a list of things that he has to start doing to get in her good graces.

Kelli (02:28.794)
Yeah, I didn't need to know that oral sex was one of them though. And come on Karen, Ray is old. Don't make, come on. If you've retired your mouth, Ray is allowed to retire his mouth. I'm sorry.

We Wine Whenever (02:32.921)
No, no.

We Wine Whenever (02:41.589)
I know.

We Wine Whenever (02:50.76)
I know. was not... Yeah. Yeah, she said that she's still not gonna reciprocate yet because he still has more work to do. What?

Kelli (02:51.71)
Come on now.

Kelli (03:03.75)
If he's willing to do that for you, Karen, at his age, just go with it, all right? For the love of God.

We Wine Whenever (03:10.25)
Yeah, exactly. So on this, exactly, poor guy. So on the Sprinter van, Jacqueline's sitting next to Ashley and she's telling her what Mia was going through in the morning, you know, with her kids. And you know, Ashley feels a way about it because she has small children and you know, an ex. So that these ladies decide that they're going to go hat shopping. They kind of split up again into two groups. I guess this...

Kelli (03:13.64)
Cut the man some slack.

We Wine Whenever (03:38.796)
just seems to happen when they go out together, you know?

Kelli (03:41.682)
Yeah, I love when Wendy was walking down the road and she called herself the Godiva goddess. Just to go back real quick though, I agree with Ashley. Like if I were Mia, I would have needed to hear my kids' voices. Like I think later in the episode, we find out that she had spoken to them at some point, but at that point we didn't know that she had. And I agreed with Ashley. I...

We Wine Whenever (03:46.559)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (04:01.599)
Yes, yes.

Kelli (04:07.27)
I would have needed my kid to get on the phone and be like, yeah, we're so and so, yeah, we're good, we're going swimming.

We Wine Whenever (04:13.269)
Yeah.

Kelli (04:16.784)
It's just Jesse's not on this trip, is she?

We Wine Whenever (04:19.368)
No, she's not. She's not. No. So while they're shopping for hats, it is me, Stacey, Ashley and Kiarna. And they're talking about the kids again. And we also find out that Gordon, after he dropped off the kids, went on vacation himself to Martha's Vineyard.

Kelli (04:21.756)
I don't like that. I don't like that at all.

Kelli (04:46.738)
That's interesting, who'd he go on that trip with?

We Wine Whenever (04:49.918)
Yeah.

Kelli (04:51.548)
Yep. who, like, who, like, like we're going to need more details about the Martha Vineyard, Martha's Vineyard.

We Wine Whenever (04:57.151)
Yeah, there's a lot going on there, right?

Kelli (04:59.58)
Yeah, like if she don't give it to us during the season, Andy better narrow in on that at the reunion.

We Wine Whenever (05:06.269)
I totally agree. Ashley tells Mia that she doesn't like the things that she had said to her. And Mia really isn't hearing it. I mean, I know that she had gone through a lot that morning, but Ashley says to her, listen, I don't know how to show up for you if you're not going to apologize for the things you said to me. And Mia's like, so then don't.

Kelli (05:31.068)
Yeah, so like if Mia has too much going on to sit down and have a talk with Ashley or Giselle, she needs to keep Giselle's daughter's names out of her mouth then. If you don't have the whereabouts to have a conversation, then don't talk about them. Because just because you're having a hard time doesn't mean that it doesn't need to be addressed.

We Wine Whenever (05:48.231)
Yeah, because...

We Wine Whenever (05:52.74)
Right, because then we find out later that she spoke about Gisele's daughters the night before. Again. Again. So Gisele's talking to Karen and Wendy and Jacqueline and they're also shopping for hats and they're also talking about Mia. And then Ashley shows up there as well after she left the other group. You know, just kind of...

Kelli (05:57.692)
than I put forth.

We Wine Whenever (06:20.304)
fun interaction watching them get hats and then they decide that they're going to go to the rum tasting so they all show up there and Karen says that she's not going to do the rum tasting not because she wants to be sober but she just doesn't want to drink in front of these ladies.

Kelli (06:36.956)
Yeah, and Jacqueline has to put a dig in there like, why nobody's driving.

We Wine Whenever (06:40.604)
Right. Right.

Kelli (06:43.15)
I knew Wendy thought that that banana bomb was a dildo. You could see it right in her face. Absolutely. As soon she opened that, she's like, what's this? Like she was like mortified. I mean, it had a little bowl on top. Come on. If you smoke weed, you know what that was.

We Wine Whenever (06:46.513)
You did?

We Wine Whenever (06:53.545)
I mean, it would have been the smallest.

They would have been... Yeah, and it was so tiny.

Kelli (07:02.182)
And it was probably like ceramic or glass, like ouch. You know?

We Wine Whenever (07:06.723)
Yeah, like what? Yeah, that was odd, right?

Kelli (07:11.837)
I could tell in her face though, I'm like, oh, she thinks that's something else. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (07:15.462)
Yeah, it was funny. So then they decide that they're going to play a game. We know how these games go. They're going to pick a name and they're going to imitate the person whose name they pick. So the first person was they picked was Stacey. I mean, she kind of nailed it with Stacey.

Kelli (07:25.118)
That's a good idea.

Kelli (07:39.75)
She did a good Stacey.

We Wine Whenever (07:41.321)
Then Kiorna imitates Mia. You know, I think she kind of nailed it with Mia. I don't know who did Wendy, but it was, I say something? Can I say something? Because that's her line. you know.

Kelli (07:46.994)
Yeah.

Kelli (07:55.166)
Was it Jaclyn? No, Jaclyn did Karen.

We Wine Whenever (07:59.931)
Yeah, and that one, I don't remember. And that was, you done? Are you done? And that was Karen. And then the ladies start talking about Jacqueline and Mia sharing a guy back in the day. Again, like how many times do we have to talk about this?

Kelli (08:00.414)
Was it me? Oh yeah, I forget.

Kelli (08:05.222)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (08:13.67)
Yeah.

Kelli (08:19.74)
Yeah, and the thing is is that and then Mia's like, Jackley needs to zip her lip and stop talking about it. Mia, you're the one who told the story.

We Wine Whenever (08:30.149)
Right. And while they're talking about it, Mia's just sitting there smiling and like leaving it to Jacqueline to like explain. Right.

Kelli (08:36.455)
Right.

Kelli (08:41.886)
tell the story and then she's like she needs to stop talking what

We Wine Whenever (08:47.109)
Yeah, so Jacqueline says no, that that's, you know, that's not, that wasn't ink because Giselle says, that was ink. And then Jacqueline's like, no, I don't remember who it was. And,

Kelli (08:59.838)
Giselle said he's a lunchable. He's here for the community. He's here for the community. She's so funny.

We Wine Whenever (09:02.822)
Giselle.

She's so shady. She really is. But then Mia does finally open up her mouth and she says, no, it wasn't Ink with Jacqueline. In fact, it was his best friend. I want to say there may be some type of foreplay involved between Jacqueline and Ink because the three of us all showered together. Okay. Now, now who needs to shut their mouth?

Kelli (09:31.034)
Exactly. That's what I'm saying. Like you gave way more information than Jacqueline did. Jacqueline was actually denying it at first.

We Wine Whenever (09:37.693)
Right, right. But then we see at the end, coming next week, that Jacqueline and Ashley kiss. And Ashley says to Mia, like, are you jealous? And I guess she is. She feels some kind of way about that. So again, like, why? Is there really nothing going on that this has to be a storyline?

Kelli (09:40.035)
She needs to just stop talking, Mia. I can't stand her.

Kelli (09:50.236)
Yeah.

Kelli (10:04.55)
Yes, that's exactly what it is. Cause Mia's gonna make it like she's, Mia don't give a fuck if Jacqueline's kissing whoever. Why would she care? She's not dating Jacqueline, it's her friend. She's dating Ink and has a husband. Like I think you got your hands full. And why is Jacqueline kissing Ashley? I thought you were trying to get, like work things out with your PP.

We Wine Whenever (10:07.002)
Okay.

We Wine Whenever (10:14.553)
It does admit.

We Wine Whenever (10:19.43)
Yes. Yes.

I don't know.

Kelli (10:30.288)
It's also stupid. It's all like, it's all supposed to be, you know, salacious. you know, probably so Jacqueline gets more screen time, probably.

We Wine Whenever (10:30.491)
That's right.

We Wine Whenever (10:40.88)
it could be and we know now that it was just announced that me is no longer with ink they're not together

Kelli (10:47.036)
Yeah, me and Ink, yeah, they're done. And she's posting with Gordon.

We Wine Whenever (10:51.824)
Right. I mean, that's this week. Well, I mean, by the time the reunion, they didn't film the reunion yet, did they?

Kelli (10:59.484)
I don't think so. I don't think they did. We didn't see any looks.

We Wine Whenever (11:01.68)
right, I don't think they did either.

No, we didn't. And we have to find out if Karen even shows. I don't think she's going to show.

Kelli (11:12.483)
you're right. Yeah. How many? What episode are we on?

We Wine Whenever (11:14.44)
I am 13. think I just say 13. Yeah, 13.

Kelli (11:19.078)
Yeah, yeah. So New York, we know New York got cut short. So Potomac might be a couple more weeks. We might get a couple more episodes. Plus it wasn't on last week.

We Wine Whenever (11:23.099)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (11:29.19)
Yeah, yeah, that's true. We'll have to wait and see what happens. I have to wait and see what happens. So after the rum tasting, the ladies are going to dinner, but they have to change into their dinner outfits in the bathroom at the rum tasting place. who the hell planned that? Wendy?

Kelli (11:31.007)
We got some time. Yeah.

Kelli (11:45.192)
That was a little odd.

I don't know, but I need room when I'm, like, I can't do that in a bathroom stall. Hopefully they had like an area for them to go change and they weren't really in a bathroom stall.

We Wine Whenever (11:55.639)
No.

We Wine Whenever (12:00.994)
I think they were in a bathroom stall. I think there was two stalls

Kelli (12:03.216)
or each sneak turn's going into the van and doing it in there. Because I need like, I need room.

We Wine Whenever (12:11.239)
And according to Mia, not Mia, Wendy, was the clothes that they bought that day, because I heard Ashley say hers dress needs to be steamed. It's wrinkled. I just, so stupid. You know what it was? It was just so low budget. It was low budget is what it was. And I don't like that. I don't like it. So at dinner, Stacey says to Kiana that she's hers.

Kelli (12:24.07)
It's off. It was low budget. It was low budget.

Kelli (12:36.742)
Well, real quick before that Mia was Mia. Mia could call Inc on the bus. You hear her calling. And then she said she might just go see him right after this trip. So, you know, listen, I'm not going to say she's not worried about her kids because I'm not going to put that out there because I don't believe that. I do think she's worried about her kids, but most moms

We Wine Whenever (12:44.347)
yes, yes.

Kelli (13:03.758)
after having such a traumatic experience would want to just go home to see their kids when this trip was done.

We Wine Whenever (13:12.856)
Right. But she's going to stop in Georgia because that's where her other son lives.

Kelli (13:14.844)
That's my personal opinion.

Kelli (13:20.24)
Which, I don't even believe that. No, he- does he live there?

We Wine Whenever (13:22.916)
Listen, that's what she said. Yeah, her other son. No,

Kelli (13:28.06)
Why doesn't she have them with her? She did the first season.

We Wine Whenever (13:33.199)
We only saw him once. Her other son lives in Georgia. And that's what she said and ink is right around the corner.

Kelli (13:35.761)
We Wine Whenever (13:44.515)
Yeah, so that begs the question is why is her other son in Georgia?

Kelli (13:49.95)
Yeah, that's what I mean. I didn't even know that. I thought she had custody of her oldest son. At least in the first season I thought she did. Now more questions to be asked at the reunion.

We Wine Whenever (13:54.394)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (13:58.371)
I guess not.

We Wine Whenever (14:04.58)
I don't know. Exactly, exactly. So then they get to the dinner and Stacey asked Kierna that she had read something about her court case and she wanted to know how it was going. And Kierna says, well, it's going well. have a court date. And Gisele says, wait, are we talking about? And she said, well, I'm suing Deborah. And Gisele's like, that's still going on. And she said, yeah, it's still going on.

Kelli (14:29.82)
I don't think that's fair that Gisele asked that because she got physical with her. I don't think that's fair of a question. Like, that's still going on? I think that's shady.

We Wine Whenever (14:36.919)
Right. Well, maybe.

We Wine Whenever (14:43.211)
Maybe because of how long it's been since it happened, she thought it could have been over.

Kelli (14:50.116)
Yeah. well, you know what, when yeah, because when they were talking about it on Wendy's birthday trip, Giselle wasn't there when they were talking about it at breakfast when she got upset. Giselle wasn't there. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (14:51.257)
I don't know.

We Wine Whenever (14:59.095)
Right, no, she wasn't. No, she wasn't there. And Kierna says in her confessional, it's a part of her healing process. She started this and she wants to finish it. And I don't blame her. This is her own personal journey. And Giselle asked, well, is it criminal or civil? And she's like, well, there's two. There's two cases. It's both criminal and civil. And Giselle's like, well, she doesn't have any money. And Kierna's like, well, that's her problem. And then Giselle's like,

Kelli (15:12.091)
I blame her either.

Kelli (15:22.109)
Right.

Kelli (15:26.844)
Well, so what I think will happen, and I believe this is in New Jersey, is your homeowners, she'll go after the homeowners insurance.

We Wine Whenever (15:35.993)
Well, what do mean? Who says she has homeowners insurance? She assaulted somebody.

Kelli (15:38.832)
If she has it, if she has it, yeah, in New Jersey, you can do that. Absolutely. I not going to give names, someone years ago, when I was in high school, there was a fight that broke out and a teacher was a teacher tried to break up the fight between two people and got in the middle and wound up getting hit.

We Wine Whenever (15:42.442)
I don't think so.

We Wine Whenever (15:46.593)
How?

Kelli (16:05.958)
and that teacher sued one of those students' parents and went for their homeowners and their homeowners insurance had to pay out. That's in New Jersey, that happened. This is over 20 years ago, 30 years ago now, I can't believe how old I am, but I don't know if it's still like that, but I believe it is.

We Wine Whenever (16:26.233)
Hmm. I would be surprised if it is, to be honest with you. I know I have an extra umbrella coverage for my homeowners in auto insurance. Instead of anything is not covered, I have an extra policy that covers other things that are not covered. So I would, I don't know, but whatever happens is going to happen. And like Kierna said, that's her problem. You know, it's not my problem.

Kelli (16:43.709)
Right.

Kelli (16:51.154)
Yeah. Yeah. Listen, I don't blame her one bit for going after her. She was publicly humiliated on national television. And has a scar.

We Wine Whenever (16:55.748)
I don't either. I don't either.

Yeah. And it's on her face. You know? It's not like it's on her arm or her leg. It's on her face. I don't blame her.

Kelli (17:04.742)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. neither. I really don't.

We Wine Whenever (17:12.837)
Mia then tells the rest of the ladies what happened in the morning about, you know, Gordon taking the kids four hours away and dropping them off. Now, how many times have we heard this story now? This is the fourth time we've heard it, right? Wendy chimes in this time and says, listen, I don't think him being around at this moment is what's best for your kids. And, you know, Ashley kind of chimed in too, but

Kelli (17:23.612)
Too many,

We Wine Whenever (17:42.35)
her and Ashley really aren't in the best place, but I agree. I don't think it's what's best for her kids. What Mia said when Wendy said that, she's like, well, what am I supposed to do? Well, you have custody of them. I mean, you know, right.

Kelli (17:57.254)
Right. And what Karen said was interesting that her ex tried to do the same thing and she got in her car and went after him.

We Wine Whenever (18:05.09)
Right.

Right. Now, I mean, again, she's in Panama, so she can't just jump in her car. And she found out about it after the fact. And I don't know if you want to get the police involved when you are out of the country, but she could certainly have something when she gets back, you know, put, put into place. Right. and then Giselle brings up about her kids.

Kelli (18:18.481)
Right, right.

Kelli (18:23.464)
Yeah.

Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (18:33.56)
that she wants her kids to be in a safe place. And she says to me that she found out that last night that Mia doubled down at the table about what was said about Giselle's daughters. And then Mia said, well, I apologize to you. I mean, it was off camera. And Giselle's like, yeah, but if you really meant the apology, then why would you have done it off camera? Why wouldn't you do the apology on camera?

Kelli (19:02.522)
Right. Because all she does, everything she does is for TV.

We Wine Whenever (19:09.612)
Right, right. And then, you know, Mia says, well, I apologized and I, you know, I'm, I'm apologizing now and I do what I think is best for my children. And I don't want to be scrutinized for people thinking that I'm not authentic. If you don't like it, then you don't like it. This is how I'm going to behave. And this is how I'm going to, you know, I guess, parent my children. and then Ashley goes on to say that, you know, I think

what Mia is doing is in an unconventional way, the things that she's doing, and that it's not in the best interest of all parties. And she's referring to the kids without really saying that. And then once again, Jacqueline is trying to stick up for Mia.

Kelli (19:49.158)
Right, right.

Kelli (19:55.134)
She's gotta stop. She's gotta stop fighting Mia's battles for her. She has to let Mia speak for herself. Like, listen, I know you're trying to get your spot on the show, Jaclyn. This is not the way, though. Please stop. Please let her fight her own battles because she's got a big fucking mouth that she likes to run. So let her defend herself.

We Wine Whenever (20:06.924)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (20:12.939)
Yes.

I completely agree. I completely agree.

Kelli (20:17.202)
Like so annoying. And then Mia calls all of the miserable bitches. And honestly, out of all the franchises, I don't think they are. I think Robin was, but now she's gone. And we have a lighter group of, Wendy certainly isn't a miserable bitch. Wendy is living her best life, the Godiva goddess. Ashley's doing well, Gisele's doing well. These are not miserable bitches that you're effing with right now.

We Wine Whenever (20:22.487)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (20:28.489)
No, I don't either.

We Wine Whenever (20:37.523)
No!

Yes, no, I agree.

We Wine Whenever (20:46.708)
No. And then somehow they get on the topic of discussing the color of blonde hair that Mia's wearing. Like, how did that happen?

Kelli (20:53.31)
So 613 must be, it must be a wig color. Like it must be, you know, a wig, you know, there's a million types of wigs, obviously, but 613 must be like a shade of blonde. But Stacey was hysterical when she was talking about it. And I agree with her. I think that Karen pulls it off well. I think just, I love Giselle's hair color. I think Giselle's hair color is so perfect for her.

We Wine Whenever (20:58.914)
We Wine Whenever (21:07.35)
Okay.

Kelli (21:22.45)
And I also think that Ashley can go many different shades, but I don't think she should go that blonde either. I actually loved Ashley's confessional look tonight with the red hair. Beautiful. But today, hysterical when she was going all like that.

We Wine Whenever (21:34.006)
Mm-hmm.

I agree. Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (21:43.758)
And then Mia says that she hasn't worn that color in many years or since she was entered. Did she say entertaining? Because it came back to when she was stripping. don't know. Yeah. Yeah. I think it was Giselle. So, know, Mia then goes on to say, I'm here to celebrate and this is no liberation at this table.

Kelli (21:53.222)
Yeah, yeah, I forget what the word she used, but somebody said it when you were stripping.

We Wine Whenever (22:09.631)
So then all of a sudden Karen feels like she's going to be like the person of reason. And she said, you know, I think Mia would agree that, you know, she has some work to do to repair some relationships with people at this table. But, you know, we're going to leave that on her. And Mia says, you know, however you guys feel your feelings are valid. But I just have things that I need to focus on now.

Kelli (22:36.958)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (22:37.31)
And I mean, I agree that she does have things, but like you said earlier, if she has those things to focus on, then why does she keep bringing up Giselle's daughters, who have nothing to do with anything and are beautiful, successful young women, you know, making their mom proud.

Kelli (22:46.737)
Exactly.

No.

Kelli (22:55.42)
Right. Right. And why would you want to like, like mess mess that like, what's the word I'm looking for? Like, why would you want anyone thinking any less of Giselle's daughters? Because they are all of the things you just said they are. They're women, like young, young adults entering into womenhood. Why aren't you trying to like inspire them and

We Wine Whenever (23:12.66)
Right.

Kelli (23:24.304)
I don't know. It's just a messy thing to say about someone's teenage daughters that they were sneaky. But everybody fucking did that. If you weren't sneaking out, you were sneaking someone in. Like we all did it. I'm sure Mia did it. So yeah. So what, like it shouldn't even be a thing right now. It shouldn't even be a thing. And you, and she keeps bringing it up.

We Wine Whenever (23:36.331)
Right.

Oh, 100 % Mia did it.

We Wine Whenever (23:50.017)
She does keep bringing it up. We'll have to wait and see what happens. I wanted to bring up, because we talked about on our last episode, about a bunch of goings on, and we had talked about Jersey Mike's incident with Jen Aiden. And we had just talked about the episode prior to that, about the boat, the cruise ship, while Jen Aiden has been kicked off the cruise ship.

Kelli (24:16.254)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (24:19.901)
And now they are saying there will be a special guest housewife, because I guess, yes, they have to find somebody to take her spot.

Kelli (24:23.496)
Surprise housewife, yeah.

Kelli (24:29.788)
Yeah. I mean, who the hell is going to go? I mean, they have to they're going to have to get somebody from a different franchise. They can't get anybody from Jersey, maybe Jen Fessler, but I don't know.

We Wine Whenever (24:40.491)
Dan Fessler

Kelli (24:41.982)
Jen Fessler would go, but I don't know if she's a big enough name to draw. mean, Jen Eden isn't either. I buy. So did you see the video of her talking about her luggage? And she's like, I don't know. I guess I have a couple of phone calls to make. I commented a real celebrity would have somebody to make those phone calls for them. I'm trying not to comment, but I couldn't help myself on that one.

We Wine Whenever (24:48.181)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (24:55.651)
Yes

We Wine Whenever (25:05.446)
No, sometimes you just have to. You just have to. Today was Rachel Fuda's baby shower. The videos, they look like such a fun time.

Kelli (25:12.684)
I saw the pictures.

Why you all look beautiful, all those girls.

We Wine Whenever (25:20.649)
Yes, I think they had and it may have been Marge may have did. I think that there was a drag queen performing there too. And I heard them say, Marge, I think Marge may have arranged for that, which was great. And it was funny because when Danielle was posting, because it was Danielle's story, saw it on she's Rachel sitting in front of her and she taps her on the shoulder. She's like, I'm so glad we're friends. And Rachel's like watching the show and she's like, what? And then she said it again. She's like,

Kelli (25:34.248)
Sure.

We Wine Whenever (25:50.736)
Okay, like, yeah, yeah.

Kelli (25:52.178)
Danielle said it to her. That's funny. So it was Danielle, Margaret, Melissa. Jen Fessler was there.

We Wine Whenever (26:00.084)
Jen Fessler. Jen Fessler was there. I think Dolores was there. I saw Brittany. Wait, was Dolores there? I saw...

Kelli (26:08.634)
I didn't see I only saw Melissa's post. I don't think I saw Brittany or Dolores. I don't see why they wouldn't be there but

We Wine Whenever (26:14.048)
I saw Lisa Simpson's post too. sister, know, Melissa's sister was there.

Kelli (26:21.342)
I did see Melissa's sister was there. I did see that.

We Wine Whenever (26:23.561)
So maybe, I don't know where I saw all the people, but I think that's who was there. But it looked like a beautiful baby shower. I think those girls are so excited to get a little brother. It's gonna be so cute. They really are. I love her videos. I love watching her little videos, talking to them and them saying what's going on. I mean, they're just adorable. They are adorable. Trying to think, was there any other like,

Kelli (26:30.224)
It did. Yeah.

Kelli (26:36.36)
They're so cute, her girls. They're so cute.

Kelli (26:43.771)
Yeah.

Kelli (26:47.75)
Yeah, they really are.

We Wine Whenever (26:53.961)
Breaking news today on Housewives.

Kelli (26:56.816)
I just, I loved that Jen got fired from the ship. She got thrown overboard. That's fantastic. mean, tell me you're fired from Housewives without telling me you're fired from Housewives. She's gotta go.

We Wine Whenever (27:11.145)
Yeah.

Yeah. It's just such a bad look. It's not even for housewives it's a bad look. It's just a bad look as a human being and a mother.

Kelli (27:21.69)
you can't come, Aiden Plastic Surgery turned off his comments, turned off their comments.

We Wine Whenever (27:28.467)
Yeah, I saw that.

Kelli (27:30.67)
Because I just went because I follow him because I like the before and after pictures, you know So just for the hell of it today I'm like one of his things came up on my feed and I'm like, let me just see if people are commenting about his wife and it said comments are limited on this post and you couldn't comment One thing I wanted to bring up I was watching the most recent Southern charm. Did you watch it?

We Wine Whenever (27:35.185)
I like the before and after pictures too.

We Wine Whenever (27:54.793)
did not watch the most recent one. But you can bring it up. Go ahead, bring it up.

Kelli (27:57.062)
Okay, well, well, this is all I'm gonna say. they all so Whitney Shep Austin, Whitney Shep Austin, Madison, and then a couple of other people not main characters on the show go out to dinner for Patricia's birthday, and they bring up Craig who was not invited, which is part of the episode.

And just the way Whitney and Patricia were talking about Craig, I thought, you know, it's so interesting to me because obviously Patricia's got more money than she'll ever know what to do with. And back when Craig was first starting his pillow thing, you watched it, you got to watch it from the beginning, right? okay. So way back in the day when Craig was starting his pillow thing, Patricia was going to like give him like an opportunity.

We Wine Whenever (28:36.932)
No, I didn't.

Kelli (28:48.318)
to like, I don't know if she was gonna go into business with him. I don't know what it was, but he messed it up. He screwed it up. And then Patricia was starting like a lifestyle line. And she went on Watch What Happens Live and she kind of shaded Craig about his. Well, I would imagine that more people know about Craig's lifestyle line than Patricia's. And I don't even think she has it anymore. And you could just tell at this dinner that

Patricia's like to me it seemed not that it she's not jealous. She's not envious I'm not saying that in the least bit because again, she's got more money than children know what to do with but it almost seemed to me like she was a little bitter at how successful Craig is

We Wine Whenever (29:36.401)
That's interesting.

Kelli (29:37.606)
And I think Whitney cosigns it.

We Wine Whenever (29:39.943)
Well, because Whitney has nothing going on. I mean, he has absolutely nothing going on. Right. He has nothing going on. So what what makes him look better is to tear somebody else down. And I cannot stand people like that. I really I can't. I can't. I mean, speaking of that, the Craig and Paige breakup, it's so interesting the comments I see out there about it, like

Kelli (29:42.142)
Nothing going on. I mean, he's just gonna inherit a shit ton of money.

Kelli (29:52.592)
Yeah. me neither. Me too. I don't know, like even- god.

We Wine Whenever (30:07.303)
People have very strong opinions about Paige and Craig. either are like you and believe that Paige like led him on or think that... Yeah.

Kelli (30:18.578)
People are coming a little hard for her, admit. I don't feel that strongly about it.

We Wine Whenever (30:23.964)
And that Craig is such a great catch and he's going to get somebody right away. And you know, she, she's going to regret this because of her age. Listen, they are two adults in their thirties. They're both in their thirties and they made this decision and it is what it is. Like it just amazes me.

Kelli (30:45.71)
And who knows? I mean, they might get back together. You don't know.

We Wine Whenever (30:50.843)
I don't think that they will. mean, you don't know though. Listen, we don't know what's going to happen. The other thing that I was looking at today that also amazed me, we had talked about Lisa Vanderpump a couple weeks ago and all of a sudden there are so many LVP lovers out there. I didn't realize that this many people

Kelli (31:14.908)
commenting on our post. I know I noticed that yeah.

We Wine Whenever (31:16.367)
Yes, like they, I was like, and I even put it on there. was like, I really didn't. mean, it's either you on the, on the comments, it's either they love LVP or they, they don't like her. There was no middle ground and I didn't, because she hasn't been on for several years and even, even her role on Vanderpump rules was so minuscule. But I was so surprised as to how many people felt so strongly and that they, they all think that Lisa Rinna

Kelli (31:28.124)
Yeah, right.

Kelli (31:37.469)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (31:45.917)
They all think that Lisa Rinna did the Munchausens. They all think that Dorit was, know, puppy gate. Like they don't see Lisa's Vanderpump's hands in any of it. And I was like, wow, that's interesting. It's very interesting to me.

Kelli (32:00.21)
Yeah, no, I agree with you. I noticed that too. like that I never, you know, didn't realize he had such a strong fan base.

We Wine Whenever (32:09.924)
Yeah. And the other thing I had noticed is I don't even know exactly what post it was on, but there was some people arguing about something and about their opinion. And I just commented back to both of them, like, listen, you guys are each allowed your own opinions. You know, there's no need to argue about it. You could feel one way about it. I can feel one way about it. Who cares? We're talking about a housewife TV show.

Kelli (32:25.064)
Right.

Kelli (32:33.668)
Exactly. Like, let's let's keep it real. This is what we're discussing.

We Wine Whenever (32:39.652)
Yeah, it's just, you know, it's just for entertainment. Like don't take anything personal. You're entitled to your opinion. You don't have to apologize for it. Just, you know, you want to comment, comment.

Kelli (32:45.618)
Yeah.

Kelli (32:49.842)
Right. And you know, the thing with Paige and Craig is, is a great catch right now. And he's done a complete 180. Craig wasn't always like this. Craig was like Shep and Austin. So Paige certainly brought out a better side of him. There's no doubt. And he is a great catch right now. he, you know, he dated Nick.

We Wine Whenever (33:05.561)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (33:16.335)
He wasn't before, right? He wasn't. He was a player. He was a player. And like she said, like I had mentioned, you know, on the last podcast is that he gave her confidence that she needed because she was in a bad relationship when she was a lot younger. you know, now she's where she wants to be and she's happy and there's nothing wrong with that.

Kelli (33:17.469)
He wasn't before, so yeah, so.

Kelli (33:33.47)
Right.

Yeah.

Kelli (33:39.866)
Right. No, not at all. So they served a good purpose for each other. That's for sure.

We Wine Whenever (33:46.317)
Yeah. So we'll have to wait and see. This should be a fun week. I believe Southern Hospitality may be starting this Thursday.

Kelli (33:55.408)
It started last, it started, there's one episode already. There's only one episode. So, so Southern Charm was new this past Thursday because I had two in my, had Southern Southern Charm and Southern Hospitality. So maybe it started this past Thursday. I don't know, but there's only been one episode. It was good.

We Wine Whenever (33:57.941)
it started?

We Wine Whenever (34:06.575)
Okay.

We Wine Whenever (34:14.756)
Okay. All right. So I guess I have to watch that. All right. Are we going to talk about it? I guess we'll talk about it kind of as we talk about it. We won't do a separate episode on it. We'll just kind of. All right.

Kelli (34:18.556)
Yeah, watch it.

Kelli (34:24.134)
Yeah. Right. Tess is like, what is this? I'm like, it's like the new Vanderpump rules.

We Wine Whenever (34:31.407)
Yeah, it is. It is. I was surprised because I haven't seen the episode yet, but I was surprised that Maddie and Joe Bradley are a couple.

Kelli (34:43.08)
I didn't even know it until I started watching the show. cause I don't, I think I feel like I follow, I don't follow Joe, but I follow Maddie on Instagram and maybe she didn't post until the episode dropped.

We Wine Whenever (34:56.121)
I I follow either one of them, but I read this whole article about it. Like it happened shortly after the Danielle thing in Luanne in New York. And listen, we wanted them to be together. Yeah. So yeah, I'm, I am curious to see how, like I said, I didn't watch it yet. I'm curious to see how this turns out, but I'll, I'll watch it and I'll give you my opinions.

Kelli (35:06.236)
Yeah.

Kelli (35:11.0)
I did. I'm happy.

Kelli (35:18.814)
Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, we'll definitely talk about it. Like you said, I don't think we need a whole episode, but we'll bring it up.

We Wine Whenever (35:25.986)
Yeah. All right, sounds good. Until next time, thank you for watching and listening. Bye.

Kelli (35:29.497)
All right.

Bye.