Finding Balance: The Importance of Self-Care-Good-Bye to 2024 & Hello 2025

Finding Balance: The Importance of Self-Care-Good-Bye to 2024 & Hello 2025

In this episode, the hosts reflect on the past year and discuss what they want to leave behind as they enter 2025. They explore themes of personal growth, self-care, and the importance of setting boundaries. The conversation also touches on the significance of mindfulness and meditation in achieving peace and balance in life. Additionally, they delve into the drama of reality TV, sharing their thoughts on celebrity behavior and the consequences of actions in the public eye. In this episode, the hosts delve into the complexities of reality TV, discussing the public's perception of stars and the impact of social media. They explore the controversies surrounding creative differences in film, particularly focusing on a recent lawsuit involving Blake Lively. The conversation shifts to the responsibility of the media in reporting sensitive topics and the influence of luxury brands on consumer culture. In this engaging conversation, Kelli and the hosts of We Wine Whenever explore a variety of light-hearted topics ranging from food preferences to hypothetical scenarios about the end of the world. They delve into the challenges of podcasting, the complexities of relationships in reality TV, and the personal struggles surrounding weight loss and menopause. The discussion is filled with humor, insights, and relatable anecdotes, making it a delightful listen for anyone interested in the intersection of everyday life and pop culture.

Takeaways

• Leave behind negativity and bad habits in 2024.
• Personal growth often comes from embracing change.
• Setting boundaries is essential for self-care.
• Meditation can help with mindfulness and peace.
• It's okay to prioritize yourself without guilt.
• You can be a good person without being overly nice.
• Self-care is not selfish; it's necessary.
• Karma often catches up with those who mistreat others.
• Reality TV reflects real-life drama and consequences.
• Engaging in self-reflection can lead to personal insights. Reality TV stars often face harsh public scrutiny.
• Public perception can significantly impact a reality star's career.
• Creative differences in film can lead to serious controversies.
• Media outlets must be responsible in their reporting.
• Luxury brands are increasingly scrutinized by consumers.
• The hosts express empathy for the children of controversial figures.
• Self-awareness is crucial for public figures.
• The conversation highlights the importance of personal values over material wealth.
• The hosts emphasize the need for accountability in media reporting.
• Consumer culture is shifting towards valuing quality over brand names. Kelli is unfamiliar with the movie 'The Matrix'.
• Food preferences can spark lively debates, like pineapple on pizza.
• Hypothetical questions about the end of the world reveal personal priorities.
• Generosity can be more fulfilling than self-indulgence.
• Podcasting can be technically challenging, especially when trying to collaborate in person.
• Reality TV relationships often face scrutiny and public speculation.
• Navigating breakups in the public eye can be particularly challenging.
• Weight loss journeys are often complicated by personal and societal pressures.
• Menopause brings unique challenges that can affect mental and physical health.
• Everyone has their own journey and must find what works best for them.

Transcript

We Wine Whenever (00:00.993)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever, I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:04.006)
I'm Kelli.

We Wine Whenever (00:05.025)
And I'm Lori.

We Wine Whenever (00:07.278)
Welcome to 2025. This is our first time we're recording for the new year. Happy new year. So let's start with what you're glad to leave behind in 2024 moving into 2025. I just sprung this on you, so I will go first.

We Wine Whenever (00:11.458)
Yeah.

Kelli (00:15.944)
Happy New Year.

Kelli (00:35.016)
Please.

We Wine Whenever (00:35.116)
Okay. Yeah, please do.

We Wine Whenever (00:38.561)
What I would like to leave in 2024 is drama.

We Wine Whenever (00:45.9)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (00:46.893)
Family drama, life drama, just drama in general. I would like to leave any negativity and any bad habits in 2024. And I think that's good for me when I'm gonna leave in 2024. And then next then we'll talk about what we're gonna do for 2025.

We Wine Whenever (00:50.404)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (01:03.608)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (01:14.5)
All right. All right. So I'd like to, I'd like to leave my own internal drama in 2024. I feel like, you know, they say in like your grieving process, you know, when you get to like the third, fourth year is kind of like, you're almost like your turning point. So I feel like I'm kind of at this.

We Wine Whenever (01:23.639)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (01:42.616)
turning point with personally with my own family drama and goings on and loss and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I feel like I'm ready to start like the new chapter of whatever it is that moving forward that my middle aged life is now going to be. It's kind of where I'm Try, try, you know, you try your best and that's what you can do.

We Wine Whenever (02:05.964)
It sounds great.

Yeah. Yeah, that's all we can do, right?

Kelli (02:12.636)
Yeah, that's what you can do.

We Wine Whenever (02:12.984)
or you can do. Yeah, try your best.

Kelli (02:15.92)
I agree, I'll leave all the negativity behind and focusing on what other people think and not just me, other people in my life, focusing on what other people think of them and you know, doesn't matter, just worry about yourself.

We Wine Whenever (02:31.67)
Well, you you've heard me say this over and over and over again, but the older you get, because Wendy and I are a little older than, yeah, we're older than Kelli. yeah, well, you know, it is what it is. But, you know, I have always said that the older you get, the less fucks you give. You know, because really the goal...

We Wine Whenever (02:41.203)
old.

Kelli (02:45.616)
I'm in your decade now, so let's ease up on the old.

We Wine Whenever (02:45.741)
you

Kelli (02:57.16)
for sure.

We Wine Whenever (03:01.076)
is to be a good person, not necessarily a nice person. Because you can be a good person and not always be nice. So sometimes that's what I'm saying to you. That's what I'm saying to you. You can still be a good person and a nice person without sacrificing everything about yourself.

Kelli (03:06.512)
Right, I agree with that.

Kelli (03:13.86)
or too nice or overly nice where you're actually letting people take advantage of you. Yeah, no, I totally agree.

Kelli (03:29.736)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (03:32.736)
Yeah, I totally agree with that. I completely agree with that.

We Wine Whenever (03:35.492)
And you know, as women, as wives, as mothers, that's just what you automatically do. You give, give, give, give, give, and you're always very concerned about the rest of the people in your life and in your family. And you definitely always put everybody else first. And there's nothing wrong with putting yourself first.

There's nothing wrong with that because you can do that and still be a good and a nice person. And you could still support your family and your friends and everything else. You could still do that, but you just don't have to be this sacrificial lamb all the time. That's Jesus's job. You don't have to take it.

Kelli (04:25.48)
That's right. Right. I don't want to take it.

We Wine Whenever (04:29.356)
Now you're gonna say, you don't need to say.

We Wine Whenever (04:29.513)
I completely agree.

Kelli (04:31.122)
And I'm trying to do dry January, but I'm four days in and I'm already having an internal struggle over it.

We Wine Whenever (04:36.824)
Well, these, you know, shit happens. Shit happens.

Kelli (04:40.198)
It's all right, I'm gonna power through. But next Saturday night, we are going to dinner with friends and I do plan on having a glass of wine. But other than that, I'm gonna try to stay true and.

We Wine Whenever (04:46.116)
There you go.

We Wine Whenever (04:50.466)
Yeah. And you know what? That's really about, it's not necessarily about not drinking. It's about you. It's about proving that you can do something that's for you. Yeah. You know what I mean? And so all you got to do is try. That's all.

Kelli (04:50.504)
power through.

We Wine Whenever (04:51.654)
So here.

Kelli (05:05.456)
It's willpower.

Kelli (05:13.168)
I said it to Eric today. I'm like, I'm actually contemplating having a drink tonight on the podcast. And I'm literally four days into this. like, I don't know how the hell you've gone three years.

We Wine Whenever (05:23.0)
Yeah, wow.

We Wine Whenever (05:25.055)
Yes, and everyone has their own journey, right? And everyone's journey is not, most people's, it's not a straight line, right? It's not a straight line. There's dips, there's valleys, there's turns, there's, you know, drop-offs, there's craziness. I'm the kind of person, I've never ever made a New Year's resolution.

Kelli (05:35.688)
not a straight line.

We Wine Whenever (05:48.581)
I personally, just for me, that's me, I just personally don't believe in them. If you do, that's great and more power to you. I learned a couple of things in life and some pretty important things I learned, believe it or not, and I still use these philosophies today. I learned them through Weight Watchers. I used to go to Weight Watchers, the meetings every single week. And I went there, I used to say it was the cheapest therapy around. Now I just

go to therapy. So there's that. But I used to say it's the

Kelli (06:22.152)
Well, you can't find a meeting anymore since COVID, so.

We Wine Whenever (06:24.946)
Yeah, and there, you know, there was a specific leader that I really liked and I would always find inspiration from. But one of the things that I learned that has resonated with me and stayed with me is if your cup isn't full, you can't help anybody else. Like when you're on the plane, they tell you to put on your air mask first before you help somebody else. I've always, always, always tried to do that.

I do put myself first. I'm not afraid to say, you know what, I'm going to get my nails done. I have an appointment for massage. I'm closing my door and locking it and I'm having me time in my own bedroom. I deserve it. I've earned it. I don't need to explain it to anybody. So I encourage people to do that. And the other thing that I learned from Weight Watchers that I carry through to this day is...

you know, if you do decide to do something, whether it is dry January or one of my coworkers said that they weren't going to curse for the new year and they, they, right. They, you know, they had cursed and we we were joking about it because it was funny, but I was like, listen, one of the other weight watchers things I learned was when you drop an egg on the floor, you drop an egg on the floor and you clean it up, you don't take the rest of the dozen and throw it on the floor. Just because you make one slip up, doesn't mean you can't go forward.

Kelli (07:24.456)
be too difficult.

We Wine Whenever (07:25.476)
Very difficult.

Kelli (07:44.552)
That's true. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (07:44.85)
You know, if your goal is dry January and you have a drink, who cares? Who cares? Like you made that goal. This is your journey. You do what you want with it. If you decide to give up cursing and you curse, okay, so you made a slip up, keep moving forward. If you want to, if you don't want to, and you say, screw it, I don't want to stop cursing. It makes me happy. It brings me joy. Then go ahead. Curse. Right.

We Wine Whenever (07:45.582)
sister.

We Wine Whenever (08:04.61)
and change, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (08:09.176)
Then do it.

Kelli (08:09.218)
release I feel like it's like a release to Kurt you know?

We Wine Whenever (08:11.337)
Curse all you want. Like do what makes you feel good. Do what brings you joy. And then not that I learned this in Weight Watchers, I think I learned this through therapy. The other really important thing I'm taking into 2025, because like I said, I'm not doing resolutions is boundaries. I am setting very firm boundaries and my boundaries are my boundaries. If you like them, fine. If you don't like them, fine. I'm setting my boundaries and they are what they are.

Kelli (08:15.41)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (08:41.543)
You know, I encourage people to, you know, one of the things I did is I was scrolling through Instagram or someplace and it says something like daily affirmations. I was like, you know what? I could use some daily affirmations. So I put this app on my phone. It's on my home screen. I'm using the free version because I'm cheap. I'm not going to pay for anything. But but yeah, but I've committed to I get reminders every couple hours to look at my daily affirmations and I scroll through them and I like the ones I like.

Kelli (09:01.452)
yeah, you gotta always go with the free version.

We Wine Whenever (09:11.785)
and my kids were making fun of me, which I don't care, make fun of me all you want. But you know what? It's something I decided I wanted to do and it's something that I'm doing. It's not gonna hurt me, it's not gonna hurt anybody. If anything, it will be a little stop and think moment and breathing. That's the other thing I wanna focus on this year is really deep, deep breathing. Really inhaling and holding it and cleansing breaths to

Kelli (09:15.367)
I've had it.

Kelli (09:20.007)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (09:41.284)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (09:41.427)
just try and kind of calm yourself and center yourself and just, you know, feel better.

Kelli (09:49.885)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (09:50.872)
Yeah, that's definitely something I definitely want to start doing again. I was doing it for a while and I fell off the wagon, was listening to the meditation at night because I have a real problem sleeping. I have an old dog who I foolishly... Let me just say this. Let's just think about this tonight. People who have pets, you are angels.

I am an angel. have pets. When you have pets, there's so much, they're like children. They bring so much joy, but they bring so much fucking work. That's cleaning my house today. And the amount of hair is just freaking unbelievable. It's just, and a dog.

Kelli (10:35.56)
That's a lot of work.

Kelli (10:44.26)
So you have two cats and a dog. And they all get along very well.

We Wine Whenever (10:50.596)
Oh yeah. And two people with very long hair. My daughter and myself. Husband has no hair. But anyway, so I have a very old dog who, if I ever get another dog, which I'm sure I will, I am never going to make the same mistake again. I let my dog, who is a small dog, sleep in the bed with us. And it's great. We love her. But now that she's old, it's in the bed, out of the bed.

Kelli (10:58.951)
He has more than ours.

We Wine Whenever (11:20.234)
In the bed, out of the bed, in the bed. it's a frigging nightmare. So between that and my husband snoring, there's like no sleep. sleep horrible. So I definitely want to start again with some meditation that I listen to. And that's, I'm bringing this up because Wendy, in that meditation, it really teaches you to do the breathing aspect.

Kelli (11:20.86)
and she can't do it on her own.

Kelli (11:30.888)
don't know why you don't go sleep in that third bedroom.

We Wine Whenever (11:48.178)
Breathing.

Kelli (11:49.34)
Yeah, you had told me about that a couple of years ago, the Jason Stevenson when I was having a hard time falling asleep for whatever reason, but they were very helpful. I would be asleep in less than 10 minutes and I would sleep. They go on for three hours, but I would be asleep within 10 minutes and I would not wake up until my alarm came on.

We Wine Whenever (11:50.22)
And it really is very helpful.

We Wine Whenever (12:05.73)
Yes, like they will go on and on.

We Wine Whenever (12:12.096)
See, like you and my husband, I could punch right in the face because it takes me like an hour or two to fall asleep. And my husband, yes. And my husband.

Kelli (12:16.296)
Please don't.

Kelli (12:21.038)
Even listening to those, if I don't listen to those, it takes me longer and Eric will come in. I always tell him I feel bad. I'm like, I hate when you and I go to sleep at the same time. Because normally I go to sleep earlier. He falls asleep in the recliner. So if he comes to bed when I go to bed, I'm like, fuck. Because I know he's gonna be snoring in the first five minutes and then I'm gonna toss and turn for an hour.

We Wine Whenever (12:43.564)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. My husband comes in the bed and five minutes later, he's done. He's out. Out. And I'm like, mmm. He's so angry. So definitely want to get back on. Yeah. I want to get back on the meditation train.

We Wine Whenever (12:58.076)
That's interesting.

Kelli (12:58.098)
But those meditations helped me.

Me too, me too. One of the stylists that I work with at the salon just posted on Facebook, she and her family members went to a medium and she said, I highly recommend this person. She'll blow your mind. So I'm gonna get her information, because I would really like to do that.

We Wine Whenever (13:05.371)
What else?

We Wine Whenever (13:21.668)
Okay, that might be helpful for more.

Kelli (13:24.282)
if anybody else is interested.

We Wine Whenever (13:27.622)
That would be interesting.

Kelli (13:28.57)
I know my mom and sisters would do it as well.

We Wine Whenever (13:31.777)
Okay.

We Wine Whenever (13:33.607)
I'm open to new experiences, but I've always been open to try, you know, kind of game to try anything.

Kelli (13:38.972)
Yeah, I've never gone to one. Terry's gone to one a couple of times and my Nana always comes through. I never have.

We Wine Whenever (13:41.562)
I have another.

We Wine Whenever (13:43.842)
you haven't? I have. I have. Yeah. Yeah, I have. It's a really wild experience if you get somebody who's good. It's very wild. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (13:47.448)
I never have either. I never have either.

Kelli (13:55.462)
Right, I would only go to somebody if they were recommended and this stylist, this nice girl, she just posted it, so I trust her.

We Wine Whenever (14:05.368)
Yeah, I don't know if the guy that I originally saw is, I don't even know if he's still alive, you know, or if he's still doing it, but at the time it was certainly interesting. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (14:19.857)
I would love for our listeners to comment on our post and let us know what they're doing for the new year, what they're going to be bringing into the new year and leaving behind from 2024. Yeah, so if they could comment and give us what they're doing, we'd love to hear from them too. We love hearing from our listeners and letting us know what their thoughts are about what we're talking about. And if they have shared experiences that we're talking about, we'd love to hear about those.

We Wine Whenever (14:29.771)
Yeah!

We Wine Whenever (14:45.846)
Except for, I'm gonna say this, for some reason, we have two, now we have two male trolls. I'm like, you've got to be kidding me.

We Wine Whenever (14:49.444)
I don't care.

We Wine Whenever (14:55.908)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (14:57.0)
Are you talking about the guy that said we should take the, because we did put the clip about Margaret supposedly giving us gift cards, which again, not true. And he said you should use them for makeovers. Did you see that one? So I responded to him. I said, send us gift cards and we gladly will get makeovers.

We Wine Whenever (15:04.798)
No, I don't know. No.

I think that's a guy.

We Wine Whenever (15:10.213)
I did.

We Wine Whenever (15:13.93)
yeah, we're on the makeover train. Sure. But I just think it's very funny that we have not two females, but we have two males. Yeah. Yeah. Must be like Louie, like five things. Yeah. So speaking of New Year's, I don't know if any of you saw this, but there's a post on social media.

Kelli (15:16.474)
Send us the gift cards, bro.

We Wine Whenever (15:33.445)
Mm.

We Wine Whenever (15:42.722)
That's Andy Cohen and Anderson Cooper and they are talking to there's this famous DJ Diplo.

Kelli (15:52.272)
I know exactly what you're talking about. just didn't know who it was. I gotcha.

We Wine Whenever (15:56.068)
this DJ Diplo and I only saw the clip so and I don't stay up on New Year's Eve. I go to bed. I don't watch that stupid fucking pool. I have no interest. I'm going to bed. That's how I really feel.

We Wine Whenever (16:08.899)
Now, how do you really feel,

Kelli (16:10.492)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (16:13.573)
you

Kelli (16:13.596)
We had two cocktails together before and then we all went to our respective homes at 9.30.

We Wine Whenever (16:18.276)
Yes, I'm done.

We Wine Whenever (16:22.073)
I stayed at my perspective home and was invaded by strangers. So I went and I hid in my bedroom, boundaries, locked my door. I did watch Anderson and Andy, by the way. I did.

We Wine Whenever (16:25.602)
Yes. Yes. Yes. So did you see this clip that I'm talking about or no? okay. Okay. So what I'm. Okay. So I don't know what prefaced this conversation, but the clip begins with Andy saying to this person Diplo.

Kelli (16:25.638)
Yes you are, you for sure were.

We Wine Whenever (16:38.915)
know what you're talking about so tell me. It might have happened before then.

Kelli (16:43.377)
It might have.

We Wine Whenever (16:54.596)
you know, what's the most like conventional place that you've ever like dropped acid? LSD. So the guy goes, uh, right now. And he's like, wait, wait, wait, wait, really? And Anderson, he is so, he is so cute though. His laugh is so cute.

We Wine Whenever (17:06.681)
Yeah, I did see that. I did see that.

Kelli (17:12.968)
The look on Anderson Cooper's face because he's so reserved.

I actually really do like Anderson Cooper.

We Wine Whenever (17:23.146)
Anderson Cooper, was giggling so hard. And the guy was like, yeah, like I microdosed on the helicopter ride over here. And Andy was just like, wait a second, what? It was just really, it was really funny.

We Wine Whenever (17:27.941)
funny.

Kelli (17:36.018)
That was funny.

We Wine Whenever (17:37.646)
I did see that. It was very funny. I love Anderson and Andy together. I think they're so funny to watch. Andy keeps calling Anderson, honey, sweetie. you know, like he's always trying to mother Anderson when Anderson is like you said, the conservative one. Andy is the, you know, they were making, they showed the clip of Andy dancing at the Grateful Dead concert. That fan had.

Kelli (17:56.144)
Yeah, like.

We Wine Whenever (18:06.373)
you know videoed him and he had no idea that someone was you know video him dancing and Anderson Cooper was like mortified like you know, what are you doing? And he's like, I was just having fun I was dancing at a concert and they're just so polar opposite and it's so funny that they're friends, you know

Kelli (18:11.548)
Yeah.

Kelli (18:23.27)
Tess goes, because we were watching it for a little bit and Tess is like, what does Anderson Cooper do? Like, what's he like known for? I'm like, his mother was Gloria Vanderbilt. He don't have to do a fucking thing. He does, he does, right? He's an anchor for CNN. I said, I know he's on CNN, but he don't have to do a damn thing for the rest of his life. But I like him, I find him very likeable.

We Wine Whenever (18:32.996)
Dang.

We Wine Whenever (18:35.352)
He's a CNN, he's an anchor for CNN. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (18:37.858)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (18:44.131)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (18:44.548)
That's exactly it.

Yeah, but I thought that was really good. I just loved Anderson Cooper. He just cracked up. my God, I can't believe this is even happening on national TV.

We Wine Whenever (18:48.548)
I do too.

Kelli (18:50.172)
Yeah, that was funny.

Kelli (18:56.476)
the look on his face because I don't, mean, maybe, but I don't see him being the type to drop acid. I'm sure Andy Cowan does. And Tess was like, why would he even ask that? I'm like, cause she sent me the clip. We didn't see it live, but she sent me the clip. said, well, Andy's a big dead head, Andy Cowan.

We Wine Whenever (19:03.268)
Yeah, thanks. I'm thinking now.

We Wine Whenever (19:03.357)
no. No.

We Wine Whenever (19:12.984)
He's definitely a big deadhead.

We Wine Whenever (19:13.566)
maybe that's it came about. Okay. Okay.

We Wine Whenever (19:16.95)
Yeah, yeah, he's a huge, yes, he's a huge deadhead and that's the concert he was dancing at. It was a dead concert. Yeah, yeah.

Kelli (19:17.4)
probably, probably. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (19:22.903)
so maybe that's how care about. Okay. Okay. Okay. And another thing I want to talk about.

This C word.

We Wine Whenever (19:33.858)
We Wine Whenever (19:35.278)
Jennifer from Real Housewives of New Jersey. I'm so sorry. I don't like to throw that word out there. But girl, you're a seaward. You're a biatch. You're a biatch. I don't know if our, I'm sure our listening audience has seen the post of her in Newark airport.

Kelli (19:40.569)
Aidan, Jennifer Aidan.

Kelli (19:51.026)
She's a piece of shit is what she is. She really is. Like first.

Kelli (20:01.158)
Newark Airport.

We Wine Whenever (20:02.372)
getting us trying to order a sub from Jersey Mike's, but she is deplorable. Absolutely deplorable. That's the word for her.

Kelli (20:08.488)
she is deplorable. And who's this bitch standing next to her, cosigning everything she said? I thought, I thought it was her sister.

We Wine Whenever (20:14.651)
I don't know who that is.

We Wine Whenever (20:15.555)
think it's her sister-in-law. I think it's her sister-in-law. I think it's her...

Kelli (20:22.106)
It's not the girl that got married on the show. It's not the girl that they went to Turkey with.

We Wine Whenever (20:26.775)
I thought it was, are you sure it's not?

Kelli (20:29.618)
Didn't look like her to me. Maybe. I could be wrong. I thought it was her sister.

We Wine Whenever (20:31.122)
I don't know.

We Wine Whenever (20:33.879)
I could be wrong too. I thought it was her sister-in-law, it don't matter.

Kelli (20:37.456)
It don't matter. That person was co-signing everything she said and it was disgusting. And you saw that the daughter clapped back.

We Wine Whenever (20:45.902)
Yeah, I reposted that on our

We Wine Whenever (20:46.911)
the 80 year old, yeah, the 80 year old mother, the daughter, yeah. I'm sure she's not I mean, come on, she's...

Kelli (20:50.632)
She's really like 62. No, her daughter Rose, she's actually 62, I think 62 or 52. I think she's probably 62. But she's a 62 year old real housewife supporting her family.

We Wine Whenever (21:03.988)
Right, right. Getting up every day, working hard.

We Wine Whenever (21:05.804)
Right, right. Going to work, making the fucking sandwiches at Jersey Mike's. And you know what? Shout out to Jersey Mike's because we love some Jersey Mike's. They are like some good subs.

We Wine Whenever (21:12.567)
Yeah.

Kelli (21:17.692)
Well, we do, but I think Jersey Mike's needs to roll tape and let their employees pursue some kind of harassment.

We Wine Whenever (21:22.116)
hell yeah. I was looking online at some comments from social media posts. And I had made a post, I had commented on somebody's post and said, in the words of Danielle, you're dirty. You're dirty. So, no. So people were saying that,

Kelli (21:41.165)
Mm-hmm. Could you imagine being her kids?

We Wine Whenever (21:50.84)
that they need, Danielle and Marge need to have like some kind of collaboration with Jersey Mines. was like, hell, yeah.

Kelli (21:58.344)
for sure.

We Wine Whenever (21:59.602)
Well, Danielle did clap back about it. Did you see she she put I think I might have reposted it too She clapped back as she should have because that was ridiculous what Jen Aiden did to speak to anybody that way and the people in line and Like the daughter said listen if you have to say you're a celebrity guess what you are not if you have to Exactly, you are not a celebrity

Kelli (22:02.785)
yeah.

We Wine Whenever (22:20.493)
You're not.

Kelli (22:22.696)
Damn straight, you are not a celebrity.

We Wine Whenever (22:28.175)
And so she was going to Canada and she had a connecting flight and there was a problem with her connecting flight. That's where she was flying to out of Newark. And she was able to Karen herself on to the flight because they landed late and they barely made it, but she was able to Karen herself onto that flight. But they told her her luggage was going to have to go on another flight and she had a change of clothes in her carry on. Well, her

Their carry-on wouldn't fit in the overhead, so they made her check it, and her luggage, according to her air tag, is at her first stop. So that's what I call karma.

We Wine Whenever (23:05.326)
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Kelli (23:06.45)
Ha ha is right. Well, her kids must have been with her on this trip, right? Because her, like, I think that was the problem. son, somebody came up to her and wanted to add a sandwich or I don't know. It doesn't matter. You don't treat people like that. But, so her kids must have been with her. So she wasn't only carrying herself onto another flight. She was carrying other people too.

We Wine Whenever (23:17.736)
Right, right, right, right. You don't treat people like that.

We Wine Whenever (23:32.723)
Yeah, the interesting thing to me is why haven't we seen Bill Aiden? Like, was he going with her?

Kelli (23:38.386)
Bill is in the pool house with the pharma wrap.

We Wine Whenever (23:40.238)
Hiding yeah hiding hiding hiding

Kelli (23:46.546)
She's gonna damage his business. She's gonna fuck his business all up.

We Wine Whenever (23:46.624)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (23:46.734)
Yes, please.

We Wine Whenever (23:49.163)
She has already. She has already. Can you hear that?

We Wine Whenever (24:03.649)
still in our luggage.

We Wine Whenever (24:07.681)
Toronto. Luggage, airtags, still in Toronto. Plenty of room and they wouldn't let her. Good!

We Wine Whenever (24:13.028)
Ha ha.

We Wine Whenever (24:24.216)
Ha ha ha ha.

Kelli (24:24.348)
Does she, like, she, I'm honest, does she think she's like Teresa where she's got fans who will blindly, like, defend her? Because she doesn't. You're not Teresa. You don't have fans who are gonna be like, you know, people hate you and now more people are going to hate you because of who you are.

We Wine Whenever (24:43.906)
You know what I thought is when I, when I saw those posts, I thought to myself, well, you know what? There you go. All the people who had something negative to say about our post while we were discussing Jen Aiden and a filter and blah, blah, blah, blah, just a random post that we made that people still constantly have shit to say about. I thought to myself, like, you know what? Well, there you go. This is who you're defending people.

Kelli (24:59.526)
Yep. Yep.

We Wine Whenever (25:03.712)
you

Kelli (25:11.314)
That's right.

We Wine Whenever (25:12.066)
So if you'd like to continue on that path, feel free. Feel free.

Kelli (25:16.488)
God bless. Honestly.

We Wine Whenever (25:19.892)
feel bad for her children. I feel bad for her children. And one of the things Danielle Cabral said in her post was that, you know, like now she feels like the world is seeing really what she had to deal with last season. And when she finally realized at that party, when she said to her, I should have listened to what people said about you, you're dirty, you're dirty. I can't do it as good as she can, but

Kelli (25:21.415)
I do too.

We Wine Whenever (25:37.07)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (25:48.296)
You're dirty. This is what she meant. And as soon as she saw her true colors, first of all, she was hurt because she really was friends with her. She was hurt.

Kelli (25:59.442)
Well, I think what she was saying was, I think she went into her second season not being a soldier. And when she made that choice and she said two cast members started treating her differently. So we know who the other one was, but the other one isn't going to do her own dirty work. That's what she's got Jennifer Aiden to do. So that's why Jen was coming for Danielle the whole second season because Danielle put up boundaries.

We Wine Whenever (26:16.756)
Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (26:29.235)
Right. And she was also lying about Danielle's character saying that she was not treating people well, service workers well. Not right. When meanwhile, the one who's not treating service workers well is Jen Aiden. And not only does it come out, but she puts it out there. So not only does she not think it's wrong, she thinks it's great to put it out there. Like it's one thing if you did it and like, I didn't want that out there. She doesn't want to put it

Kelli (26:36.422)
Yeah, not paying her hairdresser.

We Wine Whenever (26:44.153)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (26:59.22)
there.

Kelli (26:59.688)
It's unbelievable to me. And then after the Jersey Mikes thing, people are coming so hard for you, then you do the luggage thing? Like she has no self-awareness, and we've said it a million times, she has no self-awareness. She thinks she is more than what she is, she thinks she has more fans than what she does. People do not like you. I honestly thought...

We Wine Whenever (27:09.854)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (27:13.592)
None. None.

Kelli (27:27.482)
she must know she's fired and not coming back. Because if you were waiting to hear if you were gonna be asked back to a show, would you do that?

We Wine Whenever (27:36.248)
Right, would you behave like that? And you know what I thought too? Cause a lot in some of the comments on social media, people were clapping back at us being like, you you guys are just jealous. Guess what? I'm very happy in my middle-class life with my husband who thinks I'm the greatest thing since sliced fucking bread with my loyal husband who loves me. And you know what?

Kelli (27:50.856)
Ha ha ha ha! Yep.

Kelli (27:59.122)
That's right, with my loyal husband.

We Wine Whenever (28:05.622)
I'm not a dick to anybody unless you're an extreme dick to me. So I'm not, there's no jealousy. She can keep all her fucking bathrooms or I could give a shit. I'm very, right. I'd rather be in my middle-class three-bedroom ranch and not be a dick than be you.

Kelli (28:12.209)
I'm watching it.

Kelli (28:18.428)
That's right. Your Taj Mahal house, gaudy as fuck. Keep it.

We Wine Whenever (28:18.473)
Yeah.

Kelli (28:35.184)
I'm watching it and I'm thinking, her poor kids, because I have a thing about doctor's offices. If I have a one o'clock appointment and I'm sitting in your waiting room and 1.30 rolls around and you have not even told me that I'm gonna be seen soon or whatever, I get up and I say something. And my kids watch that clock, petrified, because they fucking know once we hit the 30 minute mark, I'm going in.

We Wine Whenever (28:39.934)
That's it.

We Wine Whenever (28:57.42)
You can say no.

We Wine Whenever (29:02.69)
Yeah. Yeah, as you well should, because your time is just as valuable.

Kelli (29:06.406)
So my kids, like that's the worst thing they have to deal with. And this woman is berating a 62 year old woman who's just trying to make a living at Newark airport. She's the worst kind of human.

We Wine Whenever (29:17.762)
Right, just trying to make a sandwich.

We Wine Whenever (29:22.596)
I feel bad for her.

We Wine Whenever (29:22.911)
I do too. I do too because you know what even the daughter of that woman said that she's praying for her and Maybe we should be praying for her too because honestly she's obviously got some sort of problem. I Mean we know we say hurt people hurt people but that doesn't give you an excuse to be an asshole

Kelli (29:32.498)
Maybe.

Kelli (29:36.104)
She certainly does.

Kelli (29:41.916)
Nuh-uh, nuh-uh. Now, did you see that, I don't know where she went to say this, but Teresa was just, it was just in a post somewhere that she just told somebody, I don't know if she was on Kim D's podcast, I think they just keep doing each other's because nobody else will probably have them on. Well, all about the real bullshit with having them on. And Teresa told a story how she bought her brother a truck.

We Wine Whenever (29:42.242)
No, no.

We Wine Whenever (30:03.526)
Yeah, yeah.

Kelli (30:10.01)
and it caused a problem in her marriage and something else about Joe Gurga. And I thought, my God, stop talking about them. They don't talk about you. I listen to Melissa's podcast all the time. She does not talk. She might talk about the show, but she doesn't specifically talk about her. Like, why is she still talking about them?

We Wine Whenever (30:14.227)
no, I didn't see that.

We Wine Whenever (30:35.396)
What?

Kelli (30:36.466)
To me, you're just sealing your fate. Again, if you're waiting to be asked back to a show and you're trying to prove that you can film with other people, because that's the problem, that's the holdup, let's face it. You're not proving that you can film with somebody if you're still talking negatively about them while you're not filming.

We Wine Whenever (30:56.302)
You're still talking about them. Right. Yeah. That's it.

We Wine Whenever (31:00.498)
Right, no, that's absolutely true. I don't get it, but I have a question. Where are our sprinkle cookies?

Kelli (31:01.542)
I don't get it.

Kelli (31:08.198)
I don't know.

We Wine Whenever (31:08.928)
I don't know. Melissa Gurga? Where are our fucking cookies?

Kelli (31:13.712)
And I have seen people say things online about not getting them, but I mean, again, other people are like, well, it's not like she's baking them in her basement and mailing them out herself. It's the bakery. And I'm sure this bakery had no idea they were gonna get the amount of orders they got. I'm sure they didn't.

We Wine Whenever (31:29.073)
did see her post about that. She did put a post up from vacation that really, actually the problem was they ran out of boxes. So the co-packer was waiting for more boxes to show up so that they could, they will all be fulfilled, all the orders that were accepted. And now they have ordered so many supplies so that when they put them back out again, this problem shouldn't happen. And they, like you said, they never expected.

that they would sell this many cookies, but.

We Wine Whenever (31:59.32)
Right, and you know, it's growing pains. It's a business that she just started. you know, I would more or less put that on the fault of who she collaborated with, her baker, because she doesn't know what to expect. She just knows that, okay, I collaborated with a bakery to make sprinkle cookies and I slapped my name on it.

Kelli (31:59.429)
Yeah.

Kelli (32:02.78)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (32:16.103)
Yeah, yeah, it's definitely, it's.

We Wine Whenever (32:28.642)
So really I put the fault on whoever she collaborated with as a baker.

We Wine Whenever (32:32.413)
I mean you could put yeah, but her name is all it's on it. So that's who's gonna get the blame I mean, that's how that works. It's her name on it. So she's the one who's gonna get the blame I'm excited to get them. I do think that she had a lot of input on that. Yeah, I we will I do think she had a lot of input on the cookies I don't think she just slapped her name on them I think that she really you know, she talks about that the there's an almond and Bethany talks about it There's like an almonds kind of flavor to them and the sprinkles

We Wine Whenever (32:37.088)
Absolutely. Right. Right.

Kelli (32:37.734)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, we'll get them.

Kelli (32:57.853)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (32:57.86)
Well, I've seen some reviews and they look good. And you know me, I am a baker and I am a sweets person. And Wendy will tell you every time I come to her house, I'm like, what you got? What you got? What sweets you got? Yes. What do you got? Where's the biscotti? What do you got? What do you got for me to take home to have with my milk? So I really can't wait to have them.

Kelli (33:02.791)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (33:02.907)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Kelli (33:08.008)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (33:12.58)
Yep. What you got? Yes. And we always have sweets.

Kelli (33:14.568)
Has Bill gotten back from Costco yet?

We Wine Whenever (33:24.602)
Yes.

We will get them.

We Wine Whenever (33:28.612)
can't wait to have them because I'm hoping they're going to be good. But I have seen some reviews and the things that I've seen so far seem like they're good.

Kelli (33:29.702)
Look at them.

We Wine Whenever (33:37.904)
Yeah. So then the other big thing I've been seeing on line is the lawsuit between Blake Lively and what I just draw blank on is yes. About Jason, about Jason. About Donnie. Right. So I watched that movie. Did either of you watch the movie? So I watched the movie.

We Wine Whenever (33:53.026)
Baldoni, Baldoni, Baldoni.

Yeah, Jason Baldoni.

We Wine Whenever (34:03.148)
Now I did not want to.

We Wine Whenever (34:06.204)
It ends with us, it's called. I actually, I thought it was a pretty good movie. I did think it was a pretty good movie. So initially when the movie came out, there was all this publicity that Blake and Jason were not speaking, that they said that there were created differences.

Kelli (34:26.556)
Well wait, is he the director or her co-star?

We Wine Whenever (34:29.691)
Both. He's, and she is an executive producer as well. They are both producers. Yes.

We Wine Whenever (34:31.062)
and the executive producer.

Kelli (34:38.156)
I did not realize that because I knew she was fighting with the direct, not fighting, but I knew there were creative differences. I didn't realize it was the same person.

We Wine Whenever (34:44.483)
Yes.

So it is the same person. He starred in it. He was her co-star. He directed it. He's a producer. She's a producer. I've seen a lot. It's very interesting. So that's what the initial thing was, is that it was creative differences and that they wouldn't be on the red carpet together and they weren't, you know, they weren't really talking to each other. So then shortly after that came out, the movie premiered.

Kelli (34:57.458)
This is interesting.

We Wine Whenever (35:17.532)
They were saying the creative differences were that Blake wanted it to be like a love story When really the story I'm not giving anything away. I mean we all know it's a bit domestic violence, right? he he wanted he felt that she was trying to Like romanticize that portion of it because they were in love and you know that and he didn't want that He wanted to highlight that

Kelli (35:26.898)
No, it's about domestic abuse, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (35:44.769)
and he wanted to actually donate a portion of the profits to domestic violence survivors.

Kelli (35:53.778)
could see her wanting to, I mean, think if someone stays in a domestic abusive relationship, is because they are in love with that person. So I can see why she would want to emphasize that, right?

We Wine Whenever (36:08.805)
Right, listen, I agree. I agree. And if that's all it was, it was creative differences. But then we find out that's not really what it was. Because then the lawsuit comes out from Blake Lively of sexual harassment against him. And there's other people that were on set that are named, that witnessed it and also experienced it, right?

Kelli (36:16.989)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (36:37.583)
So now you're like, okay, what is going on? Is that really what's happening? And then just a couple days ago, he comes out with a lawsuit against the New York Times for slander and defamation. Because the story that they published about him is slanderous and defamatory. And supposedly I did not

see everything that was out there, but I did hear on, I don't know which podcast, but he has attached receipts to his lawsuit that shows text messages between him and Blake that kind of dispute the story that was written. Like full text messages, like where I think she put

Kelli (37:29.33)
Let me ask you, he's suing page six.

We Wine Whenever (37:33.946)
I think it's the New York Times. I could be wrong.

Kelli (37:35.92)
Okay, so is he suing, like when they reported, because I didn't see any of that, when they reported, did they report like about the lawsuit, like about the complaint and what was in the complaint? Because that's not them rendering an opinion on him and being slanderous, that's just them reporting on a pleading that was filed in the court.

We Wine Whenever (37:59.192)
Well, what he is saying is that, listen, as a reporter, you do have to do some due diligence, right? You can't just report and, you know, we're actually going to talk about that in our next episode when we talk about the John Benet Ramsey and how the media was involved in that. So.

Kelli (38:18.344)
Holy shit, I had no idea.

We Wine Whenever (38:19.8)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (38:20.738)
Right. So listen, as a journalist, as a professional, the media needs to do their due diligence. You can't just start... Yeah, it's the New York Times. He's suing the New York Times.

Kelli (38:31.632)
I'm just saying like if the article reads that the complaint insinuates or the complaint reads as, that's not them giving an opinion, them saying that they think he's guilty of it. They're just reporting on what are the contents of the pleading.

We Wine Whenever (38:50.916)
you

We Wine Whenever (38:51.321)
Apparently that's not what they're reporting because otherwise he wouldn't have a basis to sue them. Now again, I didn't read the complaints on either one. I'm just telling you what is out there. So hopefully Bravo Docket will break this down. my initial reaction to all of this based on the things that I have seen and after watching all the information that we gathered for our next podcast about the John Benet Ramsey, the media

Kelli (38:53.521)
Okay.

Yeah.

Kelli (39:07.113)
yeah, I have to.

We Wine Whenever (39:21.281)
is complicit and false reporting, they need to be held accountable for that. if that is what the New York Times did and he has them dead to rights, he deserves to win. And now I'm not saying that he didn't do those other things. I'm not saying that, but, and I'm not saying if he did do them that it's right. I'm saying that like this is an onion and there's a lot of layers to it.

We Wine Whenever (39:23.096)
absolutely.

Kelli (39:28.584)
They never have yet.

We Wine Whenever (39:50.816)
us as watchers and viewers and just lay people in the general public, we have to be cautious in what we believe. And everything I'm saying right now is alleged and I'm not making any accusations. I'm just saying there's a lot of contradictory statements out there. And just because someone says it doesn't mean it's true. Just because the New York Times reports it,

We Wine Whenever (40:00.718)
Absolutely.

We Wine Whenever (40:19.587)
doesn't mean it's true.

Kelli (40:21.064)
But not only that, even if they did do what I'm saying, even if they did report on what is in the pleading, eventually this could go to trial and eventually they may have to choose a jury. And there is a very large chance that anyone who could be up for selection for this jury will now know about what's inside that pleading because of what the New York Times reported on. Like that's why the media is so

careless because these people, they have to, you know, some of these situations wind up in the court of law. And now the public opinion has already been swayed by the media. It's very irresponsible.

We Wine Whenever (40:54.071)
Absolutely careless.

We Wine Whenever (41:07.096)
Yeah, and it is irresponsible. And you know what too I find very irresponsible is, you know, when you bring up anything that has to do with sexual harassment or sexual assault, anything that has to do with that, you better have your shit together.

And I really hope that this is not a case of Blake Lively using that as her scapegoat. Because to me, that would be a true miscarriage of justice and facts. You know, I really hope that she just didn't get her panties in a ruffle and just be like,

you know, I hope it wasn't a situation where it was like they both had the same roles in the film and both their egos got involved and she just decided to, you know, maybe he came at her at a certain way and she just decided to twist that knife because there are a lot of

Kelli (42:20.188)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (42:35.192)
really solid founded cases that that really is the situation and I certainly hope that she didn't. You know what I'm trying to say? I certainly

Kelli (42:45.362)
feel like she's too smart for that, but I know what you're saying. And unfortunately, people are wrongly accused all the time.

We Wine Whenever (42:49.656)
I listen.

We Wine Whenever (42:54.294)
Right. But you know, you have a situation where, know, supposedly she had this fit where she made it like he couldn't go to the premiere and couldn't, you know, him and his whole family and the rest of the cast couldn't be in the same room as her in the same theater and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's just, I'm just saying, yes. Right. I'm just saying it's a very serious subject.

Kelli (43:17.02)
This is allegedly, we don't know if this is, okay.

We Wine Whenever (43:24.13)
And it should not be, it should not be bandied about unless it's for real. That's all I'm saying.

Kelli (43:24.488)
Yeah.

Kelli (43:31.964)
Yeah, yeah, I totally agree with that.

We Wine Whenever (43:34.217)
No, I completely agree. what I, the point I wanted to make about this whole thing is we need to not trust the media and the beat, the media needs to be held accountable for what they're reporting and not, not just saying, you know, well I heard this or I have this reliable source. You need to fact check it. You need to fact check it.

Listen, we are a podcast in our basement. Okay. This is purely for entertainment. We are just talking about what we hear online, what we see online, what we read. We have full-time jobs. This is a side gig for us because we enjoy doing it. We are not getting paid for it. But these media outlets, these are professional journalists and this is what they do.

Kelli (44:00.328)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (44:01.091)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (44:18.242)
No, they're getting paid!

Kelli (44:19.794)
Yeah

We Wine Whenever (44:24.415)
So if they are going out and putting this out there, they better make sure what they're saying is factual. And that's all I'm saying. know, we didn't even touch on this and I can't believe we're already 44 minutes into this, but let's just touch on this because we have to, the Dior bags, the Bethany Frankel Dior bags.

Kelli (44:36.477)
Yeah.

Kelli (44:40.337)
I know, I know.

We Wine Whenever (44:48.179)
Yeah

Kelli (44:50.502)
Yeah, you guys gotta explain this all to me, cause I don't get it.

We Wine Whenever (44:52.248)
It's a problem. Yeah, it's a problem.

We Wine Whenever (44:53.756)
Okay, so Dior bags are code name for the drones. So Bethany Frankel did her first TikTok about and she named them and she talked about how somebody that she knows who is very high up on the inside reached out to her and said that this is real and if,

I don't tell somebody and people I know that are close to this something happens to them. I will feel really bad. It was a very kind of vague post that she she put out there. That post is still out there if anyone wants to go look at it.

Kelli (45:32.988)
Why is she not calling them drones anymore? Was her stuff getting pulled down?

We Wine Whenever (45:35.348)
Because, no, because she was told and it came down that you can't talk about this. So now the code word for it is Dior bags. And anybody, if you know, you know, who listens to Bethany, there's been a lot of posts about the Dior bags. I mean, she was out on New Year's Eve down in Miami. We saw some Dior bags flying around in Miami. We've seen Dior bags. It's not, no, it's not just in Jersey.

Kelli (45:59.717)
so it's not just in Jersey anymore.

We Wine Whenever (46:01.948)
no.

We Wine Whenever (46:05.226)
The latest thing I heard her talk about the Dior bags was if the government tells us that this is from China, then we're in trouble. Then we need to go.

Kelli (46:19.08)
Go where? Where are we going?

We Wine Whenever (46:20.544)
Well, I don't know. I mean, maybe we can come to my base. Maybe we can come to the basement. I know we have enough here.

We Wine Whenever (46:22.498)
Here we go. What is this?

Kelli (46:26.664)
You definitely have no food. I mean, where the fuck are we going?

We Wine Whenever (46:26.946)
It's well-stopped. It's well-stopped.

We Wine Whenever (46:29.565)
I don't know. She didn't say where to go. I don't know. So.

Kelli (46:34.35)
What's Bethany? Track us all up then. The fuck?

We Wine Whenever (46:38.072)
Yeah. Well, it is frightening. You know what? You don't know. That's the problem. You don't know. You don't know what they're doing. You don't know why they're there. It's very, very, very concerning.

Kelli (46:41.906)
I mean, what are they gonna do, start dropping bombs on us?

We Wine Whenever (46:46.239)
You don't, you don't know.

Kelli (46:56.39)
My Nana was right. Technology is going to ruin this world. My Nana was right.

We Wine Whenever (47:00.494)
Absolutely. Absolutely. She was right. Nana was right. But as I have always said, it's going to be what it's going to be. Listen, Bob Marley was right. You cannot stop the time. You cannot stop the time. So whatever is unfolding is unfolding and you just have to pick the right side.

Kelli (47:05.074)
Tessie Zazzarino knew it all.

We Wine Whenever (47:31.842)
the right side of the line that you better get right with Jesus. It always goes back to that.

Kelli (47:33.424)
Y'all better get right with Jesus. Better get right with Jesus.

We Wine Whenever (47:36.132)
we're back to that. That's right. It does go back to that. It does go back to that.

Kelli (47:40.752)
as lady online at the Mac counter at the Ocean County Mall said years ago.

We Wine Whenever (47:45.508)
That's exactly it. Better get right with Jesus. So how about the, yeah, very interesting. How about the Walmart, yeah, the Walmart, Berkins. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Very interesting topic. It's kind of like the...

We Wine Whenever (47:45.919)
You better get right with Jesus.

Kelli (47:48.776)
get right with Jesus.

We Wine Whenever (47:50.677)
All right. This was an interesting podcast, huh?

Kelli (47:54.993)
That was a good one.

We Wine Whenever (48:00.512)
the work-ins? The Walmart work-ins?

That's another interesting topic. So.

We Wine Whenever (48:12.452)
It kind of falls in line somewhat with Bethany's reality reckoning. Like if you think about reality reckoning, starting out with like a housewife actor, actress thing, it really kind of keeps snowballing. I think that there's probably going to be a kind of backlash in 2025 in regards to the luxury market.

Kelli (48:41.49)
Didn't we talk about this on one of our podcasts months ago, how people were gonna stop like supporting these.

We Wine Whenever (48:44.727)
Who knows?

Could be. I have no recollection, it's absolutely could be.

Kelli (48:51.462)
Yeah, like even like famous people were coming out like don't support certain things. Well, like I think it was when that whole Balenciaga thing was going on maybe. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (48:59.934)
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

We Wine Whenever (49:02.416)
Yeah, so this is the thing. We can't afford it. We can't afford it, but I will say it is...

Kelli (49:03.72)
I mean, listen, I can't support it because I can't fucking afford it.

We Wine Whenever (49:06.692)
Yeah, we know who we asked.

We can get the Walmart bag.

Kelli (49:10.056)
I got my beautiful Tory Burch for Christmas from Eric, but I'm not getting a Birkin. I love my Tory Burch.

We Wine Whenever (49:14.244)
You did! Very nice.

We Wine Whenever (49:17.14)
I didn't see your Tory Burch. I did not see it yet. All right, so I need to see it. So listen, we can't afford the Birkins, we can't afford Hermes, but like Bethany said and our friend Tiffany Moon, housewife from Dallas, who Dallas is no longer, but I do love Tiffany, Dr. Tiffany Moon. Listen, if it's leather and it's a good quality and you like the bag,

We Wine Whenever (49:20.546)
it's very nice.

We Wine Whenever (49:28.887)
No.

We Wine Whenever (49:46.958)
There you go. That's exactly it.

We Wine Whenever (49:47.124)
Buy the bag. Buy the bag. So I have ordered one of those leather bags and we will wait and see when it comes and we'll show you. Omix. We will have an unbox. Yeah, because I do like luxury items. I do. I really do. I am not so much that I need the name. I don't really need the name, but I do like, I love a good leather. I love a good.

Kelli (49:48.592)
Exactly.

We Wine Whenever (49:56.494)
We'll have an un- We'll have an unboxing.

Kelli (49:56.584)
Let's do an unboxing. Yeah, let's do an unboxing.

We Wine Whenever (50:11.992)
The quality. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (50:14.036)
quality product. like a good quality product and I can appreciate a nice leather bag. And you know, I like pretty colors too. I like to switch it up. I don't like the same bag every day. I like to, you know, switch it up. So we'll see. Okay.

We Wine Whenever (50:27.524)
Yeah. All right. I have a couple of questions for you guys. Okay. let's see. Crunchy peanut butter or smooth. I did that one already. okay. I'm going. Do you like to watch TV with or without subtitles? Do we do that one?

We Wine Whenever (50:39.496)
You did this one already. Yes, pick a different one. Pick a different one.

Kelli (50:40.978)
think we did do it, I like both, but I prefer crunchy.

Kelli (50:50.738)
We didn't.

We Wine Whenever (50:50.836)
we did not do that. I mean, I need the subtitles if my family's around, because I can't hear a damn thing because they're so loud. If I'm by myself, I just turn the damn volume up and listen.

We Wine Whenever (50:57.314)
Mm I like to step in.

Kelli (50:57.435)
Agreed.

We Wine Whenever (51:01.762)
Yes. Okay. would you rather find out that you're a robot or that you live in the Matrix?

Kelli (51:13.768)
What's the matrix?

We Wine Whenever (51:14.82)
Fuck me. All right. People, listeners, help Kelli out in the comments, please. Help Kelli out in the comments.

Kelli (51:20.114)
I never watched the movie with Keanu Reeves, I'm sorry.

Kelli (51:26.01)
I don't know what the matrix is.

We Wine Whenever (51:29.843)
I'd rather be a robot. I'd rather be a robot.

We Wine Whenever (51:33.076)
I'd rather find out I'm living in the Matrix. Okay, should fruit be allowed on pizza? Do we do that?

We Wine Whenever (51:35.527)
Okay.

We Wine Whenever (51:39.824)
Well, we didn't, but I happen to like a Hawaiian pizza, so I know people hate that. You either like that or you don't. There's no gray area with that.

We Wine Whenever (51:42.948)
Here we go.

Kelli (51:45.134)
I never had it, so I really should not comment. Cause I like sweet and salty together, and I like pineapple, so I don't know. I might like it.

We Wine Whenever (51:48.807)
I like pineapple and ham.

We Wine Whenever (51:48.902)
you've never had it?

We Wine Whenever (51:53.238)
Okay. All right. Is McDonald's better than Wendy's?

Kelli (51:58.258)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (51:58.459)
No.

We Wine Whenever (51:59.776)
see, there you go. I think Wendy's is better than Mc...

Kelli (52:03.302)
I like McDonald's better. I don't eat it. I don't eat both.

We Wine Whenever (52:05.052)
Really?

We Wine Whenever (52:05.651)
think they're honestly, I'll be correct, I think they're both crap.

Kelli (52:08.582)
Yeah, I don't eat either, if I'm hungover, like a Big Mac was always my hangover go-to. I never thought about going to Wendt.

We Wine Whenever (52:09.092)
Well, they are.

We Wine Whenever (52:19.15)
Welcome.

We Wine Whenever (52:20.593)
I will say I do like a Happy Meal toy if it's something collectible. I'm gonna just put that out there.

Kelli (52:25.516)
I like McDonald's breakfast sandwiches. I haven't had one in years, but I like them.

We Wine Whenever (52:29.459)
I don't know if I share this with you guys. I probably didn't. just a couple of months ago McDonald's Happy Meals had miniature crocs, the shoes crocs. I have them all. They're in my office. I collected all of them. I had to go to McDonald's every day and find out which Happy Meals where they had. Yeah.

Kelli (52:39.866)
Nuh-uh.

Kelli (52:48.144)
And who ate McDonald's? Because you definitely did not. Yeah, okay. I mean, maybe two French fries, but that's it.

We Wine Whenever (52:51.307)
No, I brought it home for the kids. I brought it home for the kids. But it was cheaper to buy that. Yeah, that was about it. It was cheaper to buy the Happy Meal. You can just buy the toy. I think the toy is $3 and the Happy Meal is $4. So just buy the Happy Meal.

We Wine Whenever (53:05.24)
I'm about have it. Donate it. There you go. Okay, so speaking of bergen bags, would you rather know how the world ends or when?

Kelli (53:05.362)
For sure. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (53:15.238)
When?

We Wine Whenever (53:17.412)
Kelli.

Kelli (53:17.724)
when.

We Wine Whenever (53:20.208)
Lori.

We Wine Whenever (53:21.198)
How?

We Wine Whenever (53:23.002)
Really?

We Wine Whenever (53:23.865)
Mm-hmm. have a ha- I don't know. What are you gonna do with your information?

We Wine Whenever (53:25.83)
Wait, what are you gonna do with that information?

We Wine Whenever (53:30.386)
I'm gonna prepare-

We Wine Whenever (53:32.384)
It's ending, so what fuck a difference does it make?

We Wine Whenever (53:34.962)
If I know when, I can prepare. Right, right, right.

Kelli (53:35.238)
Well, it depends. Like, is it ending in a hundred years? Then I don't got to worry about it. And I just live my life. Is it ending tomorrow? Then I'm going out and I'm fucking spending all my money and I'm smoking my cigarettes and I'm drinking my wine and I'm not worrying about dry January. Dry January can kill fucking self as a matter of fact.

We Wine Whenever (53:49.257)
You're drinking your wine, you're you're not wearing a shirt.

We Wine Whenever (53:52.952)
Exactly! Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (53:55.938)
Okay, would you rather have $100,000 to spend on yourself or a million dollars but you can only spend it on others?

We Wine Whenever (54:04.839)
I'll take a million. I'll take a million and spend it on others. That's easy.

We Wine Whenever (54:06.084)
Me too.

That's an easy one,

Kelli (54:09.776)
I mean, yeah, I would do the same.

We Wine Whenever (54:12.708)
All right. And that's all I got.

Kelli (54:14.514)
But when I go Christmas shopping for other people, I do pick a couple of things up for myself. That's why I'm like, I like going to the mall. Eric's like, yeah, I know. I like going to the mall and picking stuff out for Christmas for my kids. Although most of what they want is online, but.

We Wine Whenever (54:14.608)
No, that was good.

We Wine Whenever (54:24.653)
I know.

We Wine Whenever (54:32.6)
Yeah. then you can always come home with a Kelli bag on the side.

Kelli (54:35.72)
Exactly. Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (54:38.93)
There you go. And not the Kelli Birkin, just the Kelli, Kelli from We Wine Whenever Kelli. Yes, that's like the famous Birkin is the Kelli Big.

Kelli (54:44.688)
Right. Why? Is there a Kelli Birkin?

We Wine Whenever (54:50.21)
Yeah, well, we're such losers. don't even know. There you go. We were laughing. Yeah, we were laughing tonight, Wendy. I want to tell you. No, no, no. It was your son and I were laughing because I had a pair of gloves and I had them like folded up on each other, like rolled up and your son thought it was my socks. And he goes, you took your socks off.

Kelli (54:56.678)
Now I'm gonna have to at least look it up and see what it looks like.

We Wine Whenever (54:59.214)
Okay.

We Wine Whenever (55:03.973)
was i laughing too

Kelli (55:17.793)
I heard him say that.

We Wine Whenever (55:18.796)
I said, no, it's my gloves. But him and I were laughing so hard because they were from Kmart, my gloves.

Kelli (55:26.844)
That's a long time ago.

We Wine Whenever (55:30.545)
I mean, you have to let them know you were in my basement and you had the gloves on because my basement is so cold, which is why I'm wearing this vest because there's no heat in the basement.

We Wine Whenever (55:35.376)
Yeah, it was called. Yeah. Right. We were, we No, they were my gloves. You never know.

Kelli (55:41.134)
Yeah, I heard Mac go, those your socks? And honestly, but Lori, never know. It very well could have been her socks.

We Wine Whenever (55:47.799)
No, you never know. It could have been her socks. And we're in New Jersey and it's like 20 degrees out today. It is so cold in New Jersey. Like not, I'm not kidding. It's cold.

We Wine Whenever (55:50.488)
It could have been my thought. Yes.

Kelli (55:54.512)
It's cold here, man.

Kelli (55:59.846)
And listen, this isn't going anywhere for like 10 days. We're locked into like a freezing temperature.

We Wine Whenever (56:03.184)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (56:03.362)
No, no, Yeah. So we were, we were originally trying to do our podcast live. Right now we're doing it separately in each other's homes, but we are so technologically challenged that we were having a very difficult time trying to do, yeah, trying to do the podcast together in one location. So that's why we would be normally.

We Wine Whenever (56:20.997)
Yes.

Kelli (56:23.464)
This is like the fifth time we've tried to do it in person in the same house.

We Wine Whenever (56:25.435)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (56:33.782)
If things worked out, we would be doing it in Wendy's basement freezing because there's no heat. So there you go.

We Wine Whenever (56:40.09)
Stay tuned, we're gonna make this happen. I wasn't gonna drink tonight, but after all those hours, I said, you know what, I'm having an espresso martini, and that's what I had.

Kelli (56:41.992)
I'm gonna figure it out.

We Wine Whenever (56:52.144)
there you go. Okay.

Kelli (56:53.245)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (56:54.256)
So we'll figure this out. Stay tuned for our next episode. We are going to do an in-depth on John Benet Ramsey and what we found out. And comment, let us know what else you guys want to hear about. I mean, we've had two weeks now of no Housewives. I know they're coming back and we will be talking about Housewives, but let us know what else you want to hear about because we're...

Kelli (57:11.942)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (57:15.782)
Yeah, because some of the New York's definitely winding down. I would imagine Salt Lake's getting there too, because they kind of started around the same time, I think.

We Wine Whenever (57:18.949)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (57:23.864)
And I have to say any of the listening audience that listens to us regularly knows I'm not a huge housewife fan, I am missing my soul lake. got to say very, it's horrible. It's horrible for me to admit that I'm, I can't wait for my soul late to come back. Yeah. It's a sad, sad tale. It's a sad tale.

We Wine Whenever (57:35.632)
really? Yeah.

Kelli (57:41.031)
Yeah.

Interesting. Pulling you down the rabbit hole, pulling you down. Now you know how I feel when Jersey's not on.

We Wine Whenever (57:45.274)
That is interesting.

We Wine Whenever (57:52.673)
It's a sad, tale.

We Wine Whenever (57:54.654)
wait, one last thing we didn't talk about, Paige and Craig. So we said it, we said it back in November, right?

Kelli (57:57.992)
I'm going to tell you what I think.

We Wine Whenever (58:03.773)
yeah, and all the people on social media. I can't believe you guys are talking about this.

Kelli (58:07.356)
They just break up!

Kelli (58:11.546)
starting to wonder if they were ever dating at all. I don't believe a damn thing that comes out of Bravo anymore. They're the people putting out those blind items. They put out that blind item about them breaking up and not being able to talk about it until both the shows are airing. And now guess what? Both the shows are getting ready to air while Southern Charms are already on.

We Wine Whenever (58:18.734)
This is.

We Wine Whenever (58:24.472)
Okay, so.

We Wine Whenever (58:32.569)
Southern Charms is already on, but I did listen to Paige and Hannah on Giggly Squad when Paige made the announcement. Did you listen to it? Okay. So I listened to the whole announcement. The entire episode was about this. That wasn't what the plan was. And I will say this, that Paige had nothing but nice things to say about Craig. She's like, I can't say one bad thing about him. And this is what I always thought.

We Wine Whenever (58:40.673)
No.

We Wine Whenever (58:49.58)
Yeah, okay.

We Wine Whenever (58:59.671)
I know Kelli and I differed on this. I always thought that, listen, she's a New Yorker and she's a New York girl and her family's in New York and she was never gonna go to South Carolina. He is a good guy. We all think he's a good guy, but let's face it. She's a catch. Paige is a catch. Not that Craig is not a catch, but in the Bravo world, Craig is a catch because the standard for men in Bravo is so low that Craig is so high.

Kelli (59:27.208)
True. True. And did a whole 180 when like a good woman came into his life.

We Wine Whenever (59:29.389)
Right? I think, yes, yes, yes, but Paige is top tier anyway. She can get any guy that she really wants. Now that she has the confidence, I think her problem was, cause she does talk about this on the podcast, when she was 19 to 20 years old, she was in a very abusive relationship.

both mentally and physically and she really did not have a lot of self-confidence although we didn't know that she admits that like craig really gave her the confidence that she needed and he really treat like i said she is nothing bad to say about him he really treated her very well it just was that they wanted they were going into different directions and that's what i said like she

Although she is in her 30s and her biological clock is ticking, she didn't want to get married to somebody that she really wasn't ready to spend the rest of her life with because his real happy place is in South Carolina, in Charleston. And her real happy place is in New York. So, you know, I say she didn't want to settle, not that she's settling for Craig, but she would have been compromising really what was important to her at this point in her life.

Kelli (01:00:53.97)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (01:00:53.975)
She's good with her career. She has the self-confidence that she now needs, that she didn't have, and she's okay with them. They're still friends. And like I said, she had nothing bad to say about them. That's what I got from listening to her.

Kelli (01:01:10.8)
I think he's going to be married in two years with a kid.

We Wine Whenever (01:01:14.671)
I mean, would be, listen, I would be surprised if that happens because listen, I don't think men have the same biological clock that women do.

Kelli (01:01:24.644)
I don't either, but I think that there's gonna be a mass amount of good women who are going to seek him out. And I think he's gonna find the right one. And I think that that's what he wants. I think he wants to settle down and have kids. Like he's very successful now and he can provide. I hope he finds somebody so fucking amazing. I really do.

We Wine Whenever (01:01:34.818)
And that's good. Yeah!

We Wine Whenever (01:01:43.33)
Yes, and good for him.

We Wine Whenever (01:01:48.014)
And I hope she does too. I hope she does too.

Kelli (01:01:50.992)
And if she does, I hope she figures it out and doesn't lose them.

We Wine Whenever (01:01:58.466)
You were always so hard on Paige.

Kelli (01:02:00.826)
I think that, I don't know, part of me thinks, honestly, part of me thinks, I don't even know if they were really dating and it could be all made up from Bravo. Another part of me thinks that she's strong and belong.

We Wine Whenever (01:02:15.054)
See, I don't get that. I don't get that. I don't think she's trying them along.

We Wine Whenever (01:02:15.736)
Hmm.

Kelli (01:02:17.948)
Did you see Craig and Austin? This was so funny. So when Craig, the scene where Craig asks her to go to, I think it's Delaware where his parents live and meet his parents. And it was very funny how Paige said it, but she was like, my God, you're obsessed with me. You love me. You want to marry me. And it was very funny when she said it. So I just saw a clip of Craig and Austin.

reenacting that scene and often saying what Paige said. It was very funny. It was very funny.

We Wine Whenever (01:02:48.568)
That's funny.

We Wine Whenever (01:02:52.974)
I didn't see that but that sounds funny. Was that last week's episode? Because I didn't watch last week's episode.

Kelli (01:02:56.73)
It wasn't on the episode, it was like a clip on Instagram. It was either on Craig's or Austin's Instagram. Because they have a podcast.

We Wine Whenever (01:02:59.644)
okay.

We Wine Whenever (01:03:02.904)
Well, listen, I wish, yeah, I wish both of them well. It's not an easy industry to be in for either one of them, you know, and have a personal life and be in that Bravo stratosphere. I don't think that that's an easy gig for anybody. And I've always talked about this. Like I just...

Kelli (01:03:13.901)
No, and I will-

We Wine Whenever (01:03:30.55)
I would never in a million years for all the money in the world want to make.

my living off of what's going on in my life. It just, to me, it's just a very foreign concept that I just want, I would want absolutely nothing to do with. So I just think it's a very difficult world to navigate and live in. And I'm just really glad. And I'm just very happy to be poor in my own little situation and not have to be.

Kelli (01:03:43.77)
I agree with you.

Kelli (01:04:03.628)
I totally agree with you.

We Wine Whenever (01:04:04.514)
you

We Wine Whenever (01:04:07.396)
in that stratosphere, because I just think it's a real hard place to navigate. Go, girl. You might as well do it.

Kelli (01:04:13.704)
Wendy's going in for a second espresso martini.

We Wine Whenever (01:04:15.309)
I do. I have it down here. I might as well pour it, right?

Kelli (01:04:19.802)
I will give Paige credit for this though, because I don't think it's very easy to break up with somebody. Especially when you're a public figure, your significant other is a public figure. They have a nickname for you, Kraj, or whatever it was. I don't think it's an easy thing to do. So I give her credit for doing it, if that's what really happened.

We Wine Whenever (01:04:44.324)
If that's really happening right now.

We Wine Whenever (01:04:44.849)
I think that's what really happened. All right, there's one other thing I wanna bring up, because I know I'll forget if we wait. Another podcast I listen to, another duo I love is Humble Bragg, and that's Krystal Minkoff and Cynthia Bailey. It was their New Year's podcast. I believe that they recorded it last year though, but they were talking about the new year. And I'm sure you saw that Cynthia Bailey is now the spokesperson for Weight Watchers, and we're going to watch her on her Weight Watchers.

Kelli (01:05:13.552)
I didn't see that.

We Wine Whenever (01:05:15.084)
So that came out on like New Year's Day. She's going on Weight Watchers and she's going to be the spokesperson. But on the podcast that I listened to, which they recorded before the new year, she had said that we're going to go on this journey with her to lose weight, that she had just recently gone to the doctor and she weighed more than she ever weighed in her entire life. And she gave us her number. I think it was 206 pounds. And she's a sized, she's very tall. She's a size 12. She gave us her number.

Kelli (01:05:39.624)
She's very tall though.

We Wine Whenever (01:05:44.276)
And her and Crystal talked about it, because we know Crystal's had an eating disorder since she was 12 years old. Crystal let, they were both very honest. This is why I love this podcast. You have to listen to it. Laura, you would love it too. You really have to listen to it. Cynthia Bailey is, I believe, our age. She is 57. And, you know, it's hard to lose weight once you go through menopause. It's hard.

Kelli (01:05:54.258)
Yeah, I have to start listening to them.

We Wine Whenever (01:06:08.408)
Yeah, let me tell you something. Menopause is no joke. Like I have on like a three day heart monitor. Like it is no, I got extra beats going on. Like I'm like, what the fuck is going on? Menopause is no joke. I spent between Thanksgiving and Christmas just crying.

We Wine Whenever (01:06:11.348)
Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (01:06:28.939)
It's no joke.

We Wine Whenever (01:06:38.158)
crying, crying, crying. And I'm like, my God, like what in the hell is going on? Menopause is no joke, people. And the weight issue is no joke. I mean, I'm doing like three miles every day on the treadmill and nothing has happened. It's just, it's no joke. It is not an easy, it is not an easy journey.

Kelli (01:06:50.588)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (01:07:08.337)
No, it's absolutely not. So they she was talking about that. She's talking about her breast implants. She's going to have them removed and she's going to bring us on that journey with her. She's going to bring all of her podcast listeners on this healthy twenty twenty five journey with her. And I'm here for it. And Crystal was right there by her side. And, know, they when they sit down and they talk, it's like when we sit down and we talk, just like we're doing right now, they have.

Kelli (01:07:27.223)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (01:07:33.927)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (01:07:35.827)
honest conversations, they wind up crying, they wind up going off in one direction when they started out in this direction. It honestly, it's like listening to us talk if we were millionaires. But we're not. but yeah, but I can still relate to them because everything they're saying, the exception of the money and because they talk about like the fabulous parties that they have like Crystal Minkoff is like the

We Wine Whenever (01:07:48.788)
Kelli (01:07:48.848)
Right. There you go. Different tax bracket.

We Wine Whenever (01:08:02.699)
party planner extraordinaire and how she like plans the parties and who she sits next to who and she does these back. my gosh, Laura, you have to listen to the podcast. Seriously. It's such a good podcast. It's called Humble Bragg. It's new. think they've maybe only done 10 or 11 episodes. It's probably. Yeah, I listen to them every week. They drop an episode. They, you know, they start out on.

We Wine Whenever (01:08:13.516)
Yeah, I would love that.

Kelli (01:08:20.828)
just followed them so it'll come up on my podcast.

We Wine Whenever (01:08:27.748)
always like Crystal. I never had a problem with

Kelli (01:08:29.68)
Me too, I don't know why they got rid of her, I liked her.

We Wine Whenever (01:08:30.568)
do too. Well, we talked about it. They got rid of her because Beverly Hills is lifestyle and she wasn't really about showing the lifestyle. She was about like funny, you know? Although she grew up with money and she's married to, you know, Rob Minkoff and she's very, very wealthy. You know, she talks about why she became a philanthropist. It's just such a good, it's such a good podcast. It's such a good podcast.

We Wine Whenever (01:08:32.526)
No, never. me.

We Wine Whenever (01:08:58.368)
maybe I will list.

We Wine Whenever (01:09:00.2)
So I encourage our listeners to check that out and yeah, follow their journey along with ours.

We Wine Whenever (01:09:07.421)
So she did a thing with Weight Watchers. Interesting.

We Wine Whenever (01:09:10.3)
She did, she partnered with Weight Watchers and I don't know if you saw, so Weight Watchers has just partnered with, I don't know what medical facility, but they're going to be doing like the Ozempic shots. I don't know if it's Ozempic. Yeah, so it's like, yeah, yeah. I'm going to tell you this. I've read a lot about it. I've seen a lot about it. I've heard a lot of celebrities talk about it. I heard Marge talk about it. I heard Jen Festler talk about it.

Kelli (01:09:21.906)
They already were, yeah. They started promoting that last year. People were missed.

We Wine Whenever (01:09:38.078)
You know, these are people that have been very honest about what their journey was. These aren't people that were morbidly obese. These are people that, you know, wanted to lose 20 or 30 pounds and had a hard time after menopause, you know, our age. I've heard people talk about it. Oprah did a special on it. We know Oprah did it. I know. I heard, listen, there are positives and there are negatives. And with anything.

Kelli (01:09:40.466)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (01:10:04.716)
with anything.

We Wine Whenever (01:10:07.666)
Some of the latest information I've heard, which I find very interesting and I want to do a little more research on, is that it helps with dementia.

We Wine Whenever (01:10:19.041)
I did, I saw that, I saw that, I saw that, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (01:10:20.764)
Yes, I thought that was very interesting too. It helps with dementia. And I'm like, well, that's interesting. How does that, it has something to do with your blood sugar levels and keeping them level and keeping your body balanced. I don't know the science of it, but I said, well, that's interesting. Other things I've heard when I was watching the Oprah special was people said, it's not even like,

Kelli (01:10:20.936)
That's interesting.

We Wine Whenever (01:10:47.536)
If you are a foodie and you've always loved food, I'm not a foodie, so this doesn't really apply to me, but I do know a lot of people who love food. Once you start these shots, there's no food noise in your head. You don't think about food. So it affects your brain. It affects the chemistry in your brain that you're not thinking about food. There's no...

We Wine Whenever (01:10:57.326)
Yeah, yeah, me and Kelli, me and Kelli like food.

Kelli (01:10:58.951)
Mm-hmm.

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Food noise.

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There's no like, because when you're a foodie, it's an enjoyment. Like you really like it, you appreciate it, you're into it, you like your food and you almost have a relationship with it. And I think that...

We Wine Whenever (01:11:38.66)
Right. And it's like you're high, right? It's like you're high. So people that... All right. But people that are foodies and that food has been a big part of their life, that have done these shots, have said that they no longer have this food noise in their brain. So it's not only that you lose weight, but it changes the way you think about food.

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Well, I wouldn't go that far.

Kelli (01:11:45.352)
you

We Wine Whenever (01:12:02.776)
Well, yeah, changes your relationship with food, which is what I was saying. You tend to have foodies tend to have this relationship with food. And I think a lot of that comes from like, maybe how you grew up. it's a source of comfort. It's a source of stability. It's a source of pleasure. It's something that you really

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Right. Right.

Kelli (01:12:12.2)
Yeah.

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I'm sure.

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It's a source of comfort. So I think that you tend to have these different, this different relationship with food. And you're right that something like that would really change, would change that.

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Right.

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So, you know, just putting it out there, we're going to watch Cynthia on this journey. She is partnered with Weight Watchers. I don't know if she's going to be doing these shots or not, but if she is, she's going to tell us about it and she's going to be honest with us. And that's what I like about, you know, certain people that they tell us what they're doing. Like Marge did, like Jen Fessler did, like these other celebrities, they said, this is what I'm doing and this is why I'm doing it. And this is what happens. You know, Jen Fessler was so honest to tell us that she wound up in the hospital.

Kelli (01:13:09.809)
Yeah.

Kelli (01:13:15.143)
Right.

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with a bowel blockage. And you know, that is a side effect and still stayed on it and still felt that strongly about it. And listen, that's her journey. We started this podcast off with, we all have our own journey and we all take our own paths and you just have to do what's right for you, right? That's it.

Kelli (01:13:18.854)
Right.

and still stayed on it.

We Wine Whenever (01:13:38.306)
Yeah, baby steps. Baby steps.

Kelli (01:13:40.264)
All right. All right, we're on an hour and almost in 15. We gotta wrap it up.

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All right, goodbye.

We Wine Whenever (01:13:44.84)
I think they're done with this. Until next time.

We Wine Whenever (01:13:47.128)
We're done. We're done. All right, so next time.

Kelli (01:13:51.816)
Bye.

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Bye.

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Bye.