RHOBH-The C-Word Chronicles

RHOBH-The C-Word Chronicles
RHOBH S14 E5 episode recap: Key Moments:

• Opening Scenes:
  • Garcelle previews the opening scene of her movie.
  • Dorit applies sunscreen to her son.
  • Erika reviews designs for her house.
  • Jennifer shows Kyle around her lavish properties and $4,500 Jean Paul Gaultier-dressed doll.
• Kyle’s Denim & Diamonds Party Planning:
  • Kyle brainstorms how to label the invitations as it’s her first party without Mauricio.
  • Discussions of Kyle and Dorit’s recent argument shift to Sutton and group dynamics.
• Garcelle’s Beach House Move:
  • Garcelle and Sutton tackle moving day, with Sutton dressed as Rosie the Riveter and helping out like a true friend.
  • Sutton reflects on Garcelle’s journey from Haiti to her current accomplishments, expressing pride and emotion.
• Dorit and Erika’s Chat:
  • Dorit reveals she and PK haven’t spoken in two weeks.
  • Both discuss their commitment to not talking behind others’ backs.
• Erika’s Therapy Session:
  • Erika expresses her desire to make her home a sanctuary and overcome past struggles.
  • Reflects on her emotional triggers and healing journey.
• Denim & Diamonds Party Highlights:
  • Kyle wears a cowboy hat like a crown and embraces her first solo hosting experience.
  • Sutton watches Garcelle get her favorite number, "1111," tattooed.
  • Boz suggests a “tribal council” for open group discussions, leading to confrontations.
  • Sutton calls for sisterhood and honesty but faces criticism from Dorit for being volatile.
  • Dorit and Camille reignite old tensions, with an explosive exchange involving past grievances and strong language.
• Emotional Confrontations:
  • Sutton is accused of weaponizing vulnerability but insists on her sincerity.
  • Dorit questions Sutton’s actions versus words, saying they’ll speak louder over time.
• Party Wrap-Up:
  • Kyle advises letting go of grudges and improving delivery in conflicts.
  • Jennifer Tilly compliments Kyle on hosting a wonderful party.

Transcript

We Wine Whenever (00:00.908)
Hi, welcome to We Why Whenever, I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:03.659)
I'm Callie.

We Wine Whenever (00:04.467)
And I'm Lori.

We Wine Whenever (00:06.178)
We are talking about Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, Season 14, Episode Number 5, High Horses and Low Blows. Hmm, interesting title.

We Wine Whenever (00:17.257)
There you go. Interesting title.

We Wine Whenever (00:20.609)
We start out with Garcelle looking at the opening scenes of her movie on her laptop that she's the executive, yeah, she's the executive producer of. We see Dory putting sunscreen on her son.

Kelli (00:26.754)
very excited.

We Wine Whenever (00:34.153)
Who is so cute.

We Wine Whenever (00:35.583)
He is so cute. Yeah, so Jagger. Her son is Jagger. I don't know if you guys saw that on Instagram.

Kelli (00:35.618)
He is so cute. Her kids are adorable.

We Wine Whenever (00:37.589)
Thank you.

We Wine Whenever (00:44.399)
yes, I saw it. Her dancing, her daughter. You guys don't know how hard that is. That is so impressive. So impressive.

We Wine Whenever (00:46.925)
the Nutcracker and also... No, I know.

Kelli (00:53.282)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (00:54.273)
And also her acting, was, goodness, Dorothy in The Wizard of Oz. I mean, all within a day. She is amazing. Phoenix is amazing. I was so, I was like taken aback. I couldn't believe how talented she is. Seriously, she's very talented. I also wanted to mention, I don't know if you heard, but on Alex Baskin's podcast, I forget what it's called,

Kelli (00:59.714)
Darcy. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (01:06.71)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (01:06.793)
Yeah, that's good. Yeah.

Kelli (01:14.156)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (01:23.705)
PK was on PK and, and Mauricio PK Mauricio were both on it. And it was very interesting. So just to give you a little brief, so PK is very upset about the way Dorit is portraying him as an alcoholic, as, as a full blown alcoholic. He is taking great offense to that. He says that he.

We Wine Whenever (01:26.044)
I saw about this and I saw about this. Yep, yep, yep.

We Wine Whenever (01:51.805)
is in full-blown recovery. And that is how the word full-blown should be used. And he was totally blindsided when he saw it. He did not know that that's how she was talking about it. I thought that was interesting. I thought that was interesting. He also said that, because Alex asked him, if he could go back, he would not have done the show.

We Wine Whenever (02:07.411)
Well, Yeah.

Kelli (02:18.584)
That's interesting. Right, it was his choice, yeah. Well, not his choice, you know, he pushed her to do it, Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (02:19.646)
Yes, because it was his idea to do it to begin with.

It was his idea. He pushed her to do it.

We Wine Whenever (02:26.197)
Yeah. So, you know, part of me wonders though, like, is this just him trying to do some damage control too? So, you know, that's how I take it. That's how I take it.

Kelli (02:33.558)
That's how I take it personally.

We Wine Whenever (02:34.986)
You guys are so cynical. You guys are so cynical. I don't take it that way. Right.

Kelli (02:38.658)
Listen, he's in recovery for a reason. He at some point accepted responsibility for having an alcohol issue. Somebody might not like the word alcoholic, it, I mean, full blown alcohol, it's not the nicest thing you could say, but he's obviously accepted it and taken accountability for it and is accomplishing recovery, which is amazing.

We Wine Whenever (02:42.27)
Absolutely.

We Wine Whenever (02:46.769)
issue. Right.

We Wine Whenever (02:52.872)
or full blown.

We Wine Whenever (02:54.431)
Well, listen, what

We Wine Whenever (03:06.732)
What he was saying

Kelli (03:08.608)
I mean, I don't think he's said very nice things about her to her face.

We Wine Whenever (03:13.68)
What he was saying is that the message that he wanted to get out is that recovery is possible and he wanted to encourage other people to seek treatment and to seek help. And that's the reason he put it out there and he feels like Dorit calling it the way she's calling it a full blown alcoholic kind of negates his purpose. I don't

Kelli (03:25.688)
You're-

We Wine Whenever (03:37.757)
well guess what they're getting

Kelli (03:38.444)
When you're trying, when you are accomplishing recovery and you want to bring attention to that, don't you first have to admit that there was a problem that you had to recover from?

We Wine Whenever (03:53.115)
Wait, wait, wait, this is the bottom line of the whole thing. Don't think that somebody that you want to get a divorce from is going to handle your shit and put it out there the way that you want it. That's not how it happens. You're getting a divorce from her. She's not going to put you in a great light. So don't think that you're going to be this poster child for fucking alcoholism. It's not going to happen. So just no. Like, no.

Kelli (04:18.122)
Right. But personally, I think to celebrate his recovery the way he wants to, you have to admit that you were this person before, and now you're in recovery, and now you're this new person.

We Wine Whenever (04:35.819)
I understand what you're saying, but his point is it is for him to admit it and he has admitted it. It's not for somebody else. And when she is doing her narrative, his other bone of contention was that she's bringing up things that he addressed and accomplished himself prior to her even meeting him. The bankruptcy, the gambling problem, all of those things happen like 10 years or

or so ago. A lot of the things that she says that she put up with with him are things that she, he, his point was she's is highlighting every negative thing he's ever done in his life, whether she was there for it or not. And you stood by me and right, right. And, and listen, I, it's so funny to me that like we all have totally, well, not, I think you and Lori are

Kelli (05:19.02)
That I understand. Don't say you put up with and supported somebody through something if you did not. I totally understand that.

We Wine Whenever (05:33.577)
very similar with the way you feel about it. And I kind of in taking PK said, and I don't think PK has been nice to her. I don't, I think he said some harsh things to her. think the way that he handled her trauma was not the right way to take to handle it. But that being said, he's, I don't think he's ever gone on a confessional. He said it to her face. I don't think he's ever gone on a confessional or

on national TV speaking ill of her, which is what she is doing in her confessionals and in her narrative to other people knowing that it's going to air. And I get it. They are going through a divorce. And at the time it was very new. It was very new. I'm just saying I see his side of it. And that's okay. Like you can see, we can all see whatever side of it, you know, there, there is, you know, there's plenty sides to every story.

Kelli (06:20.45)
Yeah, yeah, of course.

We Wine Whenever (06:24.351)
Well, there's, there's, that's right. There's always a different side to the story.

We Wine Whenever (06:28.614)
Right, right. And that's why I like that we do these recaps because we don't always agree. And then we'll have our listeners that don't agree with either of us, all three of us as well. So it's okay.

Kelli (06:33.112)
Alright.

We Wine Whenever (06:37.941)
That's right.

Kelli (06:38.136)
and throw around some harsh criticisms while they're at it. Call us names, put filters on our faces.

We Wine Whenever (06:41.459)
Yeah, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (06:42.506)
And it's okay. It's okay. It's okay. It's all good.

We Wine Whenever (06:44.489)
Yeah. I heard. Have at it.

Kelli (06:51.264)
I've just stopped wearing makeup altogether because I say, give me some filters.

We Wine Whenever (06:55.967)
There you go.

We Wine Whenever (07:00.029)
So what else do we have? then we see, Kyle goes over to Jennifer Tilley's house. And I don't know why I always have, I feel the need to say Tilley, even though I don't, there's only one Jennifer and we know which Jennifer is. I know, I know. It's, it is. Yes.

Kelli (07:12.854)
I know, but she's just Jennifer Tilly. Like, you know, it's a fun name to say and she's her own character.

We Wine Whenever (07:16.745)
You know what, for some reason her last name fits her. I really like her too and I haven't watched, I haven't really been watching. So I kind of caught up these past couple days and I have to say her and the other new lady love, love, love them both.

Kelli (07:23.958)
Yes. Yeah. I really like her on the show.

We Wine Whenever (07:24.039)
It does. It really does.

Kelli (07:38.38)
So, yep. Yes.

We Wine Whenever (07:38.41)
Bose. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it was good to see her, one of her houses. So we get, Kyle gets to her house, as in Bel Air and she has another house right next door in Bel Air that she only has parties in. Now I'm not sure. Right. I'm not sure which house we were in though. Were we in the party house? Yes. Right. Tiffany, her Tiffany doll. Right.

We Wine Whenever (07:57.171)
The Fun House.

We Wine Whenever (08:01.013)
We were in the party house with the weird doll

Kelli (08:02.646)
Yeah, I think so because the Chucky her Chucky doll, you know her yeah her character

We Wine Whenever (08:06.825)
Very weird. Very weird.

We Wine Whenever (08:07.909)
wearing the Jean Paul Gaultier outfit. Yeah, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (08:11.273)
Jack it out, Fendia.

Kelli (08:13.602)
holding a glass of champagne or wine or something.

We Wine Whenever (08:15.561)
Yes, and then she has a house in Las Vegas and one in Malibu and Right. Yes

We Wine Whenever (08:16.041)
Yes, OK.

We Wine Whenever (08:21.225)
That's horrid, dude.

We Wine Whenever (08:25.16)
Okay.

Kelli (08:26.956)
Maybe she should put the Tiffany doll in that house.

We Wine Whenever (08:28.36)
I think that might be a good plan. That might be a good plan.

We Wine Whenever (08:28.841)
Maybe you just, maybe you need to call somebody about that and get that straightened out so you could spend some time there. Good idea.

We Wine Whenever (08:36.946)
Yeah.

Kelli (08:37.014)
I don't know though, those Hollywood ghosts probably don't go easy. They do not want to give up that lifestyle. They're like, we're here, we're not going anywhere.

We Wine Whenever (08:41.331)
Man, yeah, yeah, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (08:45.129)
Well, she also had that antique clock in her house and in the middle of her, well that belonged to Cher. Do you remember her talking about that? Like, so Kyle's talking about her diamonds, her Denman diamonds party that she's having and how it's the first party that she's hosted without being with Mo, which I can understand.

Kelli (08:53.302)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (08:53.631)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Kelli (09:06.274)
Do you remember when Candice from Potomac had a diamonds and denim party? And there was a cash bar?

We Wine Whenever (09:14.013)
yes, that's right. That's right. Yeah. No, there definitely will not be a cash bar. Kyle's no, but that's right. I forgot about that. I forgot about that.

We Wine Whenever (09:16.341)
That's great. That's a good one.

Kelli (09:21.322)
I don't think there's gonna be a cash bar at Kyle's.

No shade to Candice, because we love Candice, but.

I'll be honest with you, we went to a wedding in Maryland one time and when we got to the reception, it was going to be a cash bar. And the mother of the bride went over and said, absolutely not, just keep a tally and I'll pay you at the end. Every state does do weddings differently. So it might just be a Maryland thing. I could be wrong.

We Wine Whenever (09:50.825)
They do. They do. They do.

We Wine Whenever (09:51.635)
Yes.

Naver.

We Wine Whenever (09:57.19)
Now everyone from Maryland is going to come for us.

We Wine Whenever (09:57.269)
Yeah.

Kelli (09:59.318)
And please don't because I don't know if that's true or not. I'm just saying that was in Potomac and I've been to a wedding in Maryland and that's that.

We Wine Whenever (10:04.136)
Okay. So then we see Erica goes over to Dorit's house and they're talking and Dorit says she hasn't spoken to PK now in two weeks. When just prior to that, they were talking five times a day. So that's, you know, that's a big change.

Kelli (10:21.964)
Yeah.

Kelli (10:26.104)
they communicating? They have little kids though. Like how are they communicating about their kids?

We Wine Whenever (10:30.899)
Maybe they're just texting, not actually speaking.

Kelli (10:33.74)
Okay.

We Wine Whenever (10:35.622)
Yeah, I mean honestly when she was going away with the girls, PK wasn't watching her kids. Remember? We had that whole conversation. So I guess she's used to taking, handling it all and she's probably still handling it all.

Kelli (10:45.292)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (10:52.885)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (10:53.026)
I mean, my kids are 21 and 17 and Eric and I are still communicating with each other on a daily basis. Like where's this one, where's that one, what's everybody doing? I would just imagine with little kids you're doing it even more.

We Wine Whenever (11:01.674)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (11:01.831)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (11:06.876)
would think so too, but who knows in Hollywood it might be different. Also, Erica does say that, you know, she can't even imagine going through a divorce with children that are so little. Because when her and Tom said, I mean, she, you know, she didn't have small children and Dorit's children were basically born on the show. They've always been on the show. You know, they were babies. They were literally babies when, you know, she started. So that is difficult. It's, you know,

Kelli (11:08.982)
Yeah, that's true.

Kelli (11:26.679)
Yeah.

Kelli (11:31.384)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (11:35.527)
I have noticed though that PK, I mean, I don't know, all of a sudden PK posts all the time with his kids.

Kelli (11:41.312)
Yes, yes, I've noticed that too.

We Wine Whenever (11:43.41)
Which is good, it's good to see them. Garcelle getting ready for Sutton to come over and she's talking to Glenda, I guess that's her house manager or assistant. She's looking for the butterfly thing that Sutton had given her and they weren't really sure where it was because she wanted to have it out because she asked Sutton to help her move to her brand new home. I don't know.

Kelli (12:05.996)
Why does Garcelle not have movers? And where are her sons?

We Wine Whenever (12:09.887)
So you could have a story. Come on. It's for the show.

We Wine Whenever (12:12.718)
I mean, listen, the fact that Sutton was actually driving the U-Haul truck and Rosie the Riveter.

Kelli (12:13.943)
Oi.

Kelli (12:18.529)
Impressive.

We Wine Whenever (12:18.665)
I loved it. And I loved her outfit, her rose, the ribbon. I loved it. She looked so good in that.

Kelli (12:23.212)
Yes, she looked great.

We Wine Whenever (12:24.684)
She did. And I love that Avi came to load the truck because she wasn't going to load the truck, but she was going to drive it. And good for her. Listen, I think everyone needs a friend like Sutton. Right?

Kelli (12:28.224)
Yes. Right.

Yes.

Kelli (12:37.704)
I agree. I mean, she's pulling up with a U-Haul.

We Wine Whenever (12:38.069)
That's right.

We Wine Whenever (12:41.749)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (12:41.987)
Exactly, exactly. Not every Beverly Hills friend is good. I don't know what, I don't know one other Beverly Hills friend that would do that.

Kelli (12:45.218)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (12:50.869)
That's right. She even backed that bitch up.

Kelli (12:51.426)
Not anybody on this show. I don't know, Kathy hand delivered those invitations. Kathy may, I mean, if somebody gives Kathy the keys to a U-Haul, she probably would, but she shouldn't. She shouldn't be driving the U-Haul. But Kathy might drive the U-Haul to save some money. Like she wanted to save some money on postage.

We Wine Whenever (12:54.34)
Yes! Yes!

We Wine Whenever (13:02.754)
She might drive it. She might.

Yeah, yes, that is true. That is true. Yes. So as the driving sentence says, I think you need to get a helicopter because I guess it's pretty far.

We Wine Whenever (13:23.945)
I think it was like an, it was only like an hour and 20 minutes or something. It was not far. It's not far. It was not far.

Kelli (13:28.588)
Was it Malibu? Were they going to Malibu? Yeah. Yeah. I think that there's just so much damn traffic in California. You could, you know, it could be from here to Tom's River, but it's gonna take you an hour. You know?

We Wine Whenever (13:28.919)
yes, yes, they were going to Malibu. I guess it depends on the traffic too, right?

We Wine Whenever (13:44.109)
Yeah, it's possible. It is possible. I loved, these are the two things that really stuck out to me. I love the front door. Love the front door. And I loved the color of the kitchen.

We Wine Whenever (13:44.298)
when

Kelli (13:47.01)
Beautiful house though.

We Wine Whenever (13:52.585)
Yes, I did like the front door.

Kelli (13:53.996)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (13:57.875)
Yes, me too, those cabinets. I love the cabinet color. Very nice.

Kelli (13:58.049)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (14:00.128)
Mike, I love that. And I wrote down the windows. don't know. maybe that there were so many windows and you had such a, yes, yes. Yeah. And then we see that she's got a triple queen bunk bed.

Kelli (14:02.774)
Yeah.

Kelli (14:07.66)
Maybe they went like floor to ceiling. You could see beautiful.

We Wine Whenever (14:09.779)
Yeah, those big ones. Yeah. Very nice.

Kelli (14:17.848)
That was interesting. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (14:18.269)
Yes, I've seen those before. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (14:20.107)
I love that, I love that. I mean, because the house isn't really that big. you know, right, right. I love.

We Wine Whenever (14:24.731)
No, but you could fit a lot of peeps in there.

Kelli (14:28.236)
And this is her second home, right? She's not moving there.

We Wine Whenever (14:30.035)
Yes, now.

We Wine Whenever (14:30.87)
No, this is her second home that she bought by herself. She tore it down and she rebuilt it. And honestly, as a single person, a single female who has two children she's raising and running a company and a production company and acting, I mean, that's a lot. That's a lot she's got going on there.

Kelli (14:36.491)
Yeah, beautiful.

Kelli (14:50.486)
Yeah, it's a huge accomplishment.

We Wine Whenever (14:50.729)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (14:54.712)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (14:55.781)
And even in her confessional sentence, like, am so proud of her. Like, I am so proud of everything she has done. And I'm proud of her too. I don't even know her and I'm proud of her. Like, that's a great accomplishment.

Kelli (15:05.442)
Me too. Me too.

I don't like what she said next, but I'm proud of her.

We Wine Whenever (15:14.665)
Well, this is a thing too. Like I just want to make this distinction and I'm not taking anything away from Garcelle because I don't even have a job. when she says single, when she says single, yeah, when she says single mom, it really just, you do need to put into perspective because she did have child support when her kids were growing up. So.

We Wine Whenever (15:14.849)
Kelli (15:28.568)
Yes you do. The podcast.

We Wine Whenever (15:43.219)
I don't know, just to me, like, I know it's just dicing words, but to me, like, single mom comes to mind like somebody who's just totally doing it on her own. And I, like I said, not to take anything away from Garcelle because I feel the same way. I think she's very accomplished and she should be very proud of herself because that's a lot to handle. And it is basically on your own. If you're not married, then it's on your own. But I just want to...

Kelli (15:58.059)
I agree with you.

Kelli (16:09.59)
And we know other single moms who literally are doing it on their own with no financial support from anyone.

We Wine Whenever (16:09.699)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (16:16.435)
I mean, like, for instance, Kelly works at a salon part-time and they very graciously took on a single mom as a family to give, to donate to for Christmas. And that's just like a kind of like a totally different side of it. So I'm not trying to mince words or like I said, take anything away from Garcelle, but it's not like, I don't know.

Kelli (16:42.614)
Yeah, I totally, totally agree with you.

We Wine Whenever (16:43.923)
It's just what I have in my mind as single mom. It's not Garcelle.

We Wine Whenever (16:47.14)
you

Kelli (16:49.706)
Right. Because she does, I mean, not only, obviously her son spent time with their father and she also has financial, she has had financial support from him. Maybe not alimony, I don't know what their, you know, arrangement was, but her children never wanted for anything because of the financial support of her husband. Like, like Lori said, we know single moms who.

We Wine Whenever (17:01.444)
you

We Wine Whenever (17:06.409)
Right.

No.

Right.

We Wine Whenever (17:14.318)
been her own financial support though too. She has been an accomplished actress for a long time. It doesn't... Right.

Kelli (17:19.16)
No, 100%, but that's what we're saying. Her sons have two affluent parents. Some of the single moms we know have no financial support from anyone are working just to survive.

We Wine Whenever (17:20.345)
yeah.

We Wine Whenever (17:25.889)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (17:36.159)
Just to survive, All right, I'm done with my single mom rant, sorry.

Kelli (17:38.858)
I get it. I get your distinction. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (17:42.099)
no it's okay it's totally fine Sutton says that the problem they start talking about like the problem in the you know in the group Dorit and I are not great and we know that she's like I will try and like guide her through the finance stuff because she did say to her when they were on the boat like you know I want to be there for you but then when she was trying to talk to her on the bus Dorit was stuck with the words about

Teddy. And it had nothing to do with Teddy. And for whatever reason, Dorit couldn't get past the whole Teddy thing and couldn't get past the talking behind other people's backs and saying it to their face.

Kelli (18:12.567)
Yeah.

Kelli (18:28.598)
In a way, kind of don't.

We Wine Whenever (18:28.873)
Yeah, but the whole Teddy thing, the whole Teddy thing though, why is Kyle trying to put that on Dorit? There were other people on that stage. That was kind of dumb as far as I was concerned.

Kelli (18:39.352)
And there were two things about Teddy. Kyle brought that up and then Garcelle brought up the fact that she shared her father's put. I understand the big picture wasn't about Teddy, but you bring her up twice, it's gonna stick in Doreen's mind.

We Wine Whenever (18:47.775)
So what?

We Wine Whenever (18:55.06)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (18:55.459)
And that's what happened. I mean, that's exactly what happened is that's what stuck in Dory's mind. And Sutton was trying to make a point that it really wasn't about that. And that's what got used as an example. And she couldn't get past the fact that her name was brought up. Because like you said, that's what was stuck in her mind.

Kelli (18:56.714)
Yeah.

Kelli (19:14.966)
And she shouldn't have lashed out at Sutton because Sutton is not the one who brought up Teddy in either situations. It was Kyle and Garcelle.

We Wine Whenever (19:22.625)
Right. Right. But it was Sutton that was trying to make the point. And, you know, it was all about the delivery at that point. It wasn't even about the words. And I think that that's sometimes what gets lost is that it is about the delivery, regardless of what the words are. And she wasn't hearing the words because of the delivery. Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (19:32.565)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (19:39.148)
Yes.

Kelli (19:42.71)
Yeah, you get defensive.

We Wine Whenever (19:43.273)
Yes.

Kelli (19:46.904)
But when Garcelle implied that the burglary was a setup, is she trying to say that PK knew about it? That is what she's trying to say. That's pretty fucked up to insinuate that PK put his wife and kids in danger like that.

We Wine Whenever (19:49.622)
The jewelry.

We Wine Whenever (19:51.413)
you

We Wine Whenever (19:55.17)
That's what she's trying to say. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (19:57.141)
That's what she was trying to say. Absolutely.

We Wine Whenever (20:00.895)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (20:05.897)
Well, think Gar- I think Gar-Cell's point was that she wasn't even supposed to be there. that. Right.

We Wine Whenever (20:13.266)
her point that but still you don't listen unless you know this even if you know this for fact you don't say that you seriously don't say that i mean that is messed up

We Wine Whenever (20:19.305)
For a fact. Yeah, where are you going? Right. No.

Kelli (20:24.054)
Uh-uh. Because for one, he'll go to jail for insurance fraud, let's face it. And that's just a huge accusation to make about someone. Huge.

We Wine Whenever (20:29.267)
Yeah? Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (20:38.274)
And imagine if someone made that accusation about her.

Kelli (20:41.221)
that would have been disastrous.

We Wine Whenever (20:46.562)
Right, right. I did not like that. And honestly, I don't, I also didn't like that Sutton didn't shut it down. Because Sutton could have been the one to shut it down because Sutton and Garcelle are very close.

Kelli (20:57.484)
No, she did not.

We Wine Whenever (21:04.437)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (21:04.514)
So here's an example of where if you know, or if you don't agree with it, you should say something. Like Kyle was accusing Durie of not sticking up for Teddy. Not appropriate in that respect, but here it was appropriate. Like she should have been like, whoa, whoa. That's a big accusation.

We Wine Whenever (21:18.304)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (21:26.081)
Exactly.

Exactly. honestly, Sutton is the one who was trying to like bring everything to light for everybody. Like not have these like side conversations or talk behind others back. So I'm very curious to see if Sutton brings this up because she's the one who has this information right now, right?

We Wine Whenever (21:53.311)
Well, this is a thing too, Sutton, like we know she really doesn't dig or eat, but since she is so good friends with Garcelle, if that was me and that was my friend, I'd be like, whoa, you know, like maybe you need to like, we're on like TV, like you, maybe you need to just like reel that back sister. Just for Garcelle's own wellbeing, like.

Kelli (22:14.348)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (22:22.543)
as starting looking out for her friend, Garcelle.

Kelli (22:22.762)
Yeah, I mean, I would hope that our s-

Yeah, I hope Garcelle's gonna get some heat for this at the reunion.

We Wine Whenever (22:30.914)
I sure hope so too, but I hope Sutton does as well. Because Sutton should have shut it down. Like that's what we just said. Sutton, anybody would have, if Garcelle would have listened to anybody to shut that down, it would have been Sutton.

Kelli (22:46.808)
Mm.

We Wine Whenever (22:46.931)
I don't know. I'm curious to see how this whole thing plays out because I did not like that whole situation. And then we see Erica meets up with her therapist at her home and she's telling her how she wants to make this place a sanctuary for her and she's excited, you know, about life again. She no longer wants to be a hermit because when she first got separated from Tom and she was living in this little place, she really didn't want to go out. I mean, because listen, there was a lot of

that press every time she walked out the door there was you know paparazzi or somebody having something to say about what was going on in our life

Kelli (23:15.671)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (23:22.239)
So now I'm just curious, because I always just assume that that was just someplace she rented. But if she's remodeling, you can just decorate and still be renting. But it just made me think to myself, does she own that? And I just thought that she rented it. I don't know. So that was curious.

We Wine Whenever (23:30.569)
Remodeling it.

Yeah

you

We Wine Whenever (23:42.848)
I don't know what the case is and I mean I think we're only talking about maybe some paint and some changing of furniture and because she didn't even have new furniture she brought it from the old the old house

We Wine Whenever (23:49.619)
Yeah.

From the old house, yeah, so maybe she's just decorating, not remodeling.

We Wine Whenever (23:56.2)
Yeah, and just giving it her own stamp of, you know, serenity.

We Wine Whenever (24:00.117)
I did like seeing her with her therapist. mean, she certainly has grown, I feel, as a person.

Kelli (24:03.66)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (24:07.595)
From, yeah, I mean last time, last time she didn't know how to express empathy, remember? When her therapist, she's like, well, how do I do that? Like, what, what? Exactly.

We Wine Whenever (24:13.821)
Yes,

Kelli (24:14.412)
Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, we've come a long way. It was interesting when she compared herself to Kyle and she was like, I didn't get a pizza party.

We Wine Whenever (24:25.128)
Yeah, but listen, you know what? I understood where she was coming from. And I like that she brought it up to her therapist because her therapist kind of put it in perspective for her.

Kelli (24:29.677)
I did too, actually.

Kelli (24:35.308)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (24:35.315)
Yeah, that was great when she was talking about that she thought it was less about Sutton and more about Erica and Erica's history of shoulds with these women, what these women should have done for her. And I like that she admitted that she actually made it worse by like participating and getting nasty and into fights and abusing the lexapro and the alcohol and you know what really

Kelli (24:49.078)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (24:51.614)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (25:05.397)
Talking about the pizza party, I think she should just throw one for herself. You know what I mean? Yeah, just throw it for... Yeah, just do it for yourself.

We Wine Whenever (25:09.633)
Well, she's going to, she's going to do it with her house warming. She's, I think she's, she put that out there. Yeah. And listen, this is kind of what, I mean, I've said this many times on here. This is why I think therapy is so important for so many people, for so many reasons, because we have seen Erica grow so much from the first time we saw her with her therapist and not understanding empathy.

Kelli (25:09.717)
I agree.

Kelli (25:30.53)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (25:35.304)
And these are things like I tell you, like I'll talk to my therapist and she'll give me another way to look at things. You get another perspective. It's not weakness to have a therapist. It is a sign of strength and growth. And I really wish there would stop being the stigma that surrounds it. I really do. I really do.

Kelli (25:56.61)
The mental health industry in this country fails so many people. You can't even get into therapy right now if you want to. You get put on a list and they never call you. You can't even get into a therapist. You can't get into a psychiatrist. So you have regular medical doctors prescribing psychiatric medication and they have no business doing it.

We Wine Whenever (26:04.435)
Yeah, that's the other problem.

We Wine Whenever (26:16.96)
psychiatric medications.

We Wine Whenever (26:18.762)
Right.

doing.

We Wine Whenever (26:22.11)
Yes, it's true. It's very, very true.

Kelli (26:24.28)
It's a horrible, horrible thing.

We Wine Whenever (26:31.177)
So after that, the next thing we see is Kyle's getting ready for her party and she says for her, her cowboy hat is like her crown.

Kelli (26:40.18)
Yeah, she does like her cowboy hat.

We Wine Whenever (26:41.555)
I could have done without.

We Wine Whenever (26:41.737)
She really does.

We Wine Whenever (26:46.837)
the visual that was planted in my head by her saying, oh, I should go with the thong and chaps. I was like, no, no, no, no, please don't. It was like Meredith's fur trim bikini. No, don't, I don't want to know. Don't say it. Yeah, don't say it. No, don't even say it.

Kelli (26:55.138)
Please don't. Nobody in their 50s should be doing that.

No, exactly. Once you've crossed over the 50 threshold, now I was never in shape enough to do it, but once you've crossed over the 50 threshold, you shouldn't do it. I'm sorry. And people, you can come for me for that one. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (27:10.527)
Just don't do it. Don't do it. Just don't do it. Come, come, come all you want. Yeah. Yes, she did.

We Wine Whenever (27:16.906)
So wait, Kyle said that? I remember somebody saying, but I didn't realize it was Kyle that said that. No, we don't need to see that. What?

We Wine Whenever (27:21.941)
No, no, no, no, no, no,

Kelli (27:27.444)
okay. Well, I don't know if we got here yet. I'm trying to read my notes because one, I took these so long ago and two, it's dark.

We Wine Whenever (27:36.457)
All right, we're probably not there. The next thing we see is Erica is, she's wearing, first you see like this long, like trench white coat. And then I realized she had like a cat suit underneath it. So it was a little odd and she does, she does. And the bull riding is going on. And she says she hasn't ridden a bull since her great grandmother's funeral. And it was such a good time.

We Wine Whenever (27:50.933)
You know, it's odd, very odd.

Kelli (27:54.304)
Erika likes her cat suits,

We Wine Whenever (27:56.159)
Yes, it does.

Kelli (28:06.284)
That was interesting.

We Wine Whenever (28:06.449)
I thought that, I was like, that must've been some funeral that you have bull riding.

We Wine Whenever (28:09.394)
Okay.

Kelli (28:11.596)
We are clearly doing funerals all wrong if we are not bull riding at them. We need to reevaluate our, our, passings of people.

We Wine Whenever (28:14.645)
Well, wrong.

We Wine Whenever (28:17.247)
Exactly. Right?

We Wine Whenever (28:18.581)
Okay, wait.

How we do this. So did anybody catch this in the first couple scenes with Kyle's party? Who brings a horse to a party in their backseat? Kyle had that little miniature pony came to the party in the very beginning and the lady opens the back door of her very small car.

and out jumps the pony. And I'm thinking, you didn't like put it in a trailer? Like, who fucking does that? Who does that? Who put the pony in the back seat of their car?

Kelli (28:58.316)
I think she's done this before.

We Wine Whenever (29:00.562)
Yeah, I did not. I did not. I did not notice that. Yes. No, no, she definitely might because I don't know anybody else who has a pony that would be traveling with it.

Kelli (29:06.038)
I mean, Lisa Vanderpump might, but we know she's not going to Kyle's party.

She probably would have. Right!

We Wine Whenever (29:16.373)
That was quite the scene. was like, okay. Yeah. In the backseat. In a very small car. Open the door, pony jumps out of the backseat of the car.

Kelli (29:20.78)
That's interesting.

We Wine Whenever (29:22.654)
That is interesting.

Kelli (29:28.984)
Were you like waiting for something else? You're like, is a clown coming afterwards? Like what's going on?

We Wine Whenever (29:31.829)
I'm like, there's no trailer, like, they shit, they just shit, what are you doing? Very odd.

Kelli (29:39.189)
Yeah, exactly.

We Wine Whenever (29:42.781)
That is odd. guess that's odd. I miss that. I totally miss that. So Kyle invites Camille Grammer to the party, which we have not seen Camille Grammer in many years. It's been a couple. Yeah. And she's talking to her. Kyle's talking to her and she's telling her about, you know, it's the first time she's had the party since without Mo. And she's, you know, pointing out the tattoo station.

Kelli (29:44.717)
interesting.

Kelli (29:55.778)
and I'm okay with it.

We Wine Whenever (30:11.729)
This is like the new thing, everyone has these tattoo stations.

Kelli (30:15.362)
Can somebody please, I'm going to get a tattoo, I might go tomorrow to get my tattoo of my kid's names on my arm. I need to go to a party where there's a tattoo artist.

We Wine Whenever (30:24.831)
where you get it done for free and not pay a couple hundred bucks.

Kelli (30:27.64)
Exactly because tomorrow I'm gonna try to go and I'm gonna have to pay for it myself and I don't like that

We Wine Whenever (30:33.205)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (30:34.866)
Okay, well, there was one there and Sutton's daughter came too, which was interesting to see her at the party, right?

Kelli (30:43.596)
Yeah, that was nice.

We Wine Whenever (30:44.233)
Yeah. But wait, wait, wait. And about that Lady Camille. So Kyle, now she said that Camille is projecting. Yeah. okay. I'm sorry.

We Wine Whenever (30:47.996)
Yes.

Kelli (30:57.664)
Yeah, that's what I was going to talk about.

We Wine Whenever (30:59.437)
Well, we didn't get there yet. We didn't get there yet. We didn't get there yet.

Kelli (31:03.552)
No, not when Camille's talking to Dorit.

We Wine Whenever (31:07.485)
No, when Camille is talking to Kyle when she first gets there.

Kelli (31:11.372)
Yeah, and she's talking about the similarities in their divorces and Kyle gets like annoyed and starts shading Camille about her generalizing about their separation. It's not that different. Kyle is definitely in denial. It's not that different, Kyle. There's clearly been rumors about your husband cheating, right? And you're alluding to the fact that your husband has cheated and hurt you in certain ways.

We Wine Whenever (31:14.919)
Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (31:20.18)
We Wine Whenever (31:23.955)
No, Kyle's in denial, Kyle is definitely in denial. No.

Yeah, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (31:39.561)
Yeah, she's definitely in denial.

Kelli (31:39.81)
Well, that's what Kelsey Grammer did to Camille. mean, okay, Maurizio didn't marry someone else without you knowing, but other than that, what led up to your divorce is, there are some similarities. It's not polar opposites where you're like shading Camille, and I don't like Camille, so for me to say this is a lot. You saying that she's projecting, it's like, well, there are some similarities.

We Wine Whenever (32:07.869)
I know. I actually, I agree with her that she is projecting because I think the Camille and Kelsey thing was Kelsey set Camille up on the show so that he could go off and leave her. Like that was his plan. His plan was for her to be on the show so she'd have something to keep her busy. And then he was going to divorce her. That was his plan from the very beginning.

Kelli (32:24.514)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (32:33.933)
Yeah

We Wine Whenever (32:34.192)
Whereas Kyle and Mo have been on this show together and they, you know, were together, however, 29 years and they, I mean, they started from nothing and built everything they have together. So those things are not similar. And I think that's, I think that's, I think that that's what she took offense to, like to compare her marriage to Kyle's when she had such a long history with Mo.

Kelli (32:41.398)
Yeah, it was a long time.

Kelli (32:49.342)
No, of course, but things that happened in their marriages.

We Wine Whenever (33:04.019)
and the way she came on the show and the way Camille came on the show are totally, you know what I mean? I could see they're totally opposite. I could see where she, yeah, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (33:14.303)
I just mean in general. I just say in general, she's in total denial. general. Total denial.

Kelli (33:14.786)
Yeah, in that respect.

Kelli (33:20.65)
I agree. It's like on one hand she's in denial, but on the other hand she's insinuating that he's been cheating.

We Wine Whenever (33:21.627)
You know what though?

We Wine Whenever (33:29.691)
But I'll be honest with you, when I listened to Mo on the podcast, Mo must be in denial too. Because Mo said the exact same things Kyle is saying. He said that there has been no discussion of divorce. They haven't... So, I mean, is that denial? I mean, they are separated and they agreed to give each other time, but there's no discussion of divorce and they are still very good friends.

and they still hang out together with the children. Like, it's not the same thing. I don't know if that is delusion.

Kelli (34:01.938)
I honestly think, I think that Kyle is, maybe they don't know what they're doing, but I think that Kyle needs so much attention that whatever is going on, she's gonna make it revolve around her. She's gonna somehow make it either offensive to her or similar to her or so, because she just, she, I think she, you know, wants to,

be the center of the show and thinks she has all these years.

That's my-

We Wine Whenever (34:37.925)
It's funny, I don't see that with her. I don't, I just don't. I mean, I do think that her perception of what's going on in her marriage or her separation is the same as his perception of it because they both said the exact same thing when I heard them speak about it. And I don't really think that she's that contrived that they would sit down and discuss, okay, this is the story we're gonna put out there. I know you do.

We Wine Whenever (35:05.205)
That's good to say. Kelly Duck. Kelly Duck.

We Wine Whenever (35:06.299)
I know you do. I know you do. I know you do. I mean, you thought the whole thing was for ratings anyway, because I don't think she would do that because of her children and how close she is with her children. No, her kids are not in on it.

Kelli (35:15.97)
her kids are in on it.

We Wine Whenever (35:19.797)
Well, listen, we already said this the last time when they made the announcement on the air and the kids were there. Stop it.

Kelli (35:21.856)
Okay.

Kelli (35:29.506)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (35:29.723)
I don't think the kids are in on it. I don't. I don't.

Kelli (35:35.512)
think it's real. I know I was wrong. They weren't just doing this for the show, for a storyline. I was incorrect. I was definitely wrong. But I think that at this point, what they do is planned. I'm not saying it's not real. I'm just saying that if Moe was gonna go on a podcast, I...

We Wine Whenever (35:45.843)
But maybe you weren't.

Kelli (36:03.262)
would imagine he consulted with Kyle and was like, okay, how do I answer this if they ask me? How do I answer this? I do believe that.

We Wine Whenever (36:11.418)
don't think so. I don't think so because another thing that he said was Alex Baskin asked him like, are your thoughts? Do you think you guys will get back together? Like what are your thoughts? And his answer basically was, listen, I'm going to be, although I'm in a different place, I'm going to be around. We have so much going on in our lives right now. Portia is still in high school. I will be there for Portia the entire time that she's there. Our other daughter is getting married.

We will be there together planning this wedding. He has things to look forward to with his family, with Kyle and his daughters. So for those reasons, they get along together. They don't fight, they don't bicker. Kyle has openly said that it's hard for her to see him have a PDA with other women. Obviously that's hard. She has been married to him for...

Kelli (36:55.148)
Yeah. I believe it.

We Wine Whenever (37:07.319)
you know, 20, however many years. So it's going to be hard. doesn't mean it's

Kelli (37:09.707)
Listen, I would love to see them get back together, because I really like them together, but how hard would that be? I think that they'll have an amicable divorce.

We Wine Whenever (37:18.223)
It's like having your cake and eating it too though. So now you're married?

Kelli (37:21.9)
How do you watch your husband that you're separated from basically sleep with numerous other people for a couple of years and then get back together with them? And him as well. I don't know if Kyle's sleeping with anybody else. I don't know if Maurizio is. I'm assuming that they're having relations with other people during the separation. How do you then get back together with them? I think I would have a very difficult time. I think they'll always be on good terms, these two. Listen, my parents,

We Wine Whenever (37:44.617)
It's just weird.

It's weird.

Kelli (37:51.96)
I, my parents have been divorced for 30 years. 30? No. How long have I been married? 23. Whatever. Around the same time. 23 years. I have never gone a holiday without both of my parents being there because my mother was the bigger person. She didn't want the divorce and she always was the bigger person and was just there and made the best of it.

I think that Mo and Kyle will always be close and their children will never have to face anything without both of them by their sides.

We Wine Whenever (38:23.199)
is still weird.

We Wine Whenever (38:23.705)
I don't think it's weird and I don't think it would be weird for them to get back together either. I mean, I've known people that have gotten divorced and then gotten remarried again. Right? mean, it, it, yes. Yeah. Like.

Kelli (38:32.96)
Yeah. And the second time lasted? Okay, good, good, good, good. I guess if you're both doing it and then you, I guess, you know, it's just like, well, how can I be mad at him if I did it too? Not mad at him, but how could I be uncomfortable with him if I did it too?

We Wine Whenever (38:33.853)
I guess.

We Wine Whenever (38:43.769)
Listen.

We Wine Whenever (38:51.833)
Listen, love and hate are very fine lines, right? There had to be something that brought them together. They've spent all these years together. There's got to be a deep love and a deep bond. Yeah, you can be hurt by somebody, but if you really love them, you can move forward from that, especially if, I don't know. I think that, you know, but that's just me. I'm a sucker for a happy ending.

Kelli (39:03.896)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (39:21.593)
You I believe in good over evil. I believe in light over dark. That's just who I am. You know what I'm saying? Like, and...

Kelli (39:30.272)
Yeah, no, I'd like to see them get back together, actually. I just, I don't know if I could do it.

We Wine Whenever (39:34.361)
I'm not as cynical, let's put it that way. I'm not as cynical. it's, it is what it is.

Kelli (39:38.848)
Which is pretty unbelievable since you've been watching Housewives for all these years.

We Wine Whenever (39:42.233)
you

Kelli (39:45.944)
Pretty unbelievable.

We Wine Whenever (39:47.127)
We'll just have to wait and see what happens. We will have to wait and see what happens.

Kelli (39:49.206)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I do think that they consult with each other though before they go on any public forum. That's what I mean. Like I think that the fact that he answered the same as her means that they've had a conversation. And I don't think that that's, and I'm not saying that because I think that that's a bad thing. I think that they should always remain a united front.

We Wine Whenever (40:13.333)
Right, enough about those two. I agree.

We Wine Whenever (40:13.398)
you too. All right. All right. All right. Dorit and Erica show up together. Bo shows up in all pink. What did you think of that outfit? I mean, she did look like a Barbie.

Kelli (40:14.944)
Yeah, I hear you. Let's move on.

Kelli (40:29.592)
She did look like a Barbie. I love Barbie, so I'm good with it. I don't think Bo's can do anything wrong right now. But did anybody else find it interesting that Kyle was having a diamond and denim party and she showed up in leather?

We Wine Whenever (40:30.303)
Just like a, yep, cowboy Barbie.

We Wine Whenever (40:33.076)
Yeah, she looked like... Yeah, yep.

We Wine Whenever (40:43.957)
Yeah, I know, right? And she was not looking very feminine. I'm just gonna say that.

Kelli (40:45.196)
She was wearing all leather.

Kelli (40:49.696)
I mean, do you, but if you're having a diamonds and denim party, why are you wearing black leather?

We Wine Whenever (40:55.059)
Yeah, put a little denim in there. I don't know.

Kelli (40:56.96)
Or wear some diamonds.

We Wine Whenever (40:58.498)
or some diamonds.

We Wine Whenever (41:00.969)
Lord knows you probably got him.

Kelli (41:02.614)
Bedazzle that leather, would you?

We Wine Whenever (41:06.648)
Garcelle went and got a tattoo from the tattoo guy. One, one, one, one, three, four ones. Angel numbers, yep, that was her favorite number and she was getting it on her wrist. And Sutton went over there to, you know, watch her get that done.

Kelli (41:10.71)
Yeah, that was cute. Yeah, those angel angel numbers.

We Wine Whenever (41:11.22)
Yes.

Kelli (41:24.312)
Did anybody notice how Dorit kept saying the clothes were from her collection? These are from my collection. Did she mean her closet? Yeah, like just say it. It's your closet. You didn't brand these clothes.

We Wine Whenever (41:29.917)
Yes. Yeah, her closet.

We Wine Whenever (41:32.545)
I think she did. Yeah, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (41:35.251)
It's your closet, Tori. It's your closet.

We Wine Whenever (41:37.865)
That was strange, right?

We Wine Whenever (41:42.859)
No. No!

We Wine Whenever (41:45.662)
I tell you though, I haven't really been watching the show, but like I said, I've been kind of like catching up and I do like how Dorit's on fire. I do like it. I do like it. I do like it. I do like how she's on fire. Yeah. I like her on fire.

We Wine Whenever (41:50.859)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (41:54.264)
Hell yeah, we said it last week. Yeah. We're here, I'm here for it for sure.

We Wine Whenever (41:56.331)
Yeah, she's definitely on fire.

Yep Yep, and Gorsel does tell Sutton what Kyle had told her about PK texting her and that

Sutton actually said, Kyle said that because she knew that already, even though Garcelle told her, she said, well, Dorit knows. It's not like she's doing it behind her back. But again, that's Garcelle like trying to stir the pot. Right. It's like.

Kelli (42:18.166)
And yeah, Dorit knows.

Kelli (42:26.904)
or sugar.

She's got it out for Dory.

We Wine Whenever (42:31.367)
Yes, she does. That's very plain. Even for someone who doesn't even really watch the show. It's plain as day.

Kelli (42:33.45)
It's,

Kelli (42:38.86)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (42:39.009)
She does. I have to agree with you on that. She definitely does have it out for Dorit. At first, you know, she does and it's obvious. It's obvious. Then they're talking about the tribal council and Boz and her confessional says she likes the idea of a tribal council, but they're not even talking about anything deep and they all of a sudden, like all the argument starts. So she's like, I don't really know how this is even going to work, right?

We Wine Whenever (42:47.785)
She does, she just does.

Kelli (42:48.408)
She does.

Kelli (43:07.606)
And why is Camille in the tribal council? You haven't been a housewife for years. You're not even a friend of. Why are you even there?

We Wine Whenever (43:07.783)
not.

We Wine Whenever (43:12.404)
Well, this is

We Wine Whenever (43:12.821)
So that Dory could call her the C-word, that's why.

We Wine Whenever (43:17.94)
That was so planted. See, and this is what I don't like. The fact that Camille was there, the fact that Kyle invited Camille there, so that this whole thing, Camille had no business in this conversation. She had no business in this tribal council. She had no business referencing things that she's seen on the show.

Kelli (43:36.224)
Exactly. It would have been like one of us sitting there.

We Wine Whenever (43:39.369)
Yeah, we would be better.

We Wine Whenever (43:39.454)
I mean, I think we would have, we definitely would have done a better job.

Kelli (43:43.286)
Yes, for sure. Yeah, because Dorie ate her up.

We Wine Whenever (43:47.701)
Yeah. Good. It was good. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (43:47.866)
yes, she did. Yes, she did. Yes. So let's get to that. So Sutton says, I'm sorry, I just don't want us all to be just disjointed. I mean, what I say, sisterly honesty, sisterhood honesty. I feel like we're talking behind each other's backs. I want to feel free and open that we can be honest with each other. And Erica says, one thing I'd like to say is,

Kelli (43:50.52)
and I was there for it.

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you since we're being open and honest is that you're volatile.

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She can be volatile. She can. But she thinks she's steady as she goes. She's not. She's not.

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She absolutely can be.

Kelli (44:22.37)
Well, Jennifer Tilly kind of co-signed it, didn't she?

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Erica says, you know, it's great, it's inconsistent with you. And Sutton says, no, I'm truthful. Again, she wasn't there to hear it. She wasn't there to hear what she had to say. And she says, well, sometimes you overreact when you're upset. And she does. I mean, I just go back to that episode where they were at the Magic Mike and she was like flipping out about

Kelli (44:28.28)
Mm-hmm. Mm-mm.

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the pants and the show and what was happening. mean, that was a major overreaction to nothing, right?

Kelli (44:59.884)
Yeah.

Kelli (45:04.354)
Right, yes, yes.

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So Sutton says, and then Sutton starts, Doreen says, I can be real and be honest, and you can lead the charge. Sutton starts whispering and lowering her voice.

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yeah, when she was talking to Dre, cause Dre was like, don't raise your voice to me. And then, Sat got real condescending with, well then I'll just lower my voice. You know, still saying the same dicky things, just an annoying low voice.

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Right, right, right.

Kelli (45:29.1)
very concerning.

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voice, right. And then, right. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. And then Erica says to her, no, like, don't do that. Like she tells her to like, because then, then Dorit starts mocking Sutton. And then Erica says to her, don't, you know, don't do that. Because Dorit, I think, I think Erica wanted to have Dorit's back in the situation. And she wanted her and what she did. I mean, finally Dorit, you know, she

took it out on Camille because Camille jumped in there and she didn't need to.

Kelli (46:05.13)
No, she didn't.

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It's just, know, don't take it, don't take it out on me. Don't take it out on me. Yeah, that you're miserable. And it's true. It's true.

Kelli (46:14.988)
You're miserable. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. She said, you're not angry at me, you're angry at your life right now. And everybody was like, right. And what's your name? Bo's pointed that out. Like, hey, you know, don't be a... Yeah.

Kelli (46:22.262)
your life, right? Which is a shitty thing to say to somebody.

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Right.

Right.

Kelli (46:28.375)
Yes.

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Right.

Kelli (46:32.202)
And Sutton couldn't handle it when Boaz called it out.

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Right.

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Right, right, right. She says my life, and then she does say my life sucks right now. I'm not in a good place. I have zero tolerance for, for bullshit. Which I don't blame her, you know? I don't blame her. Dorit said that, right? Yeah, Dorit said my life sucks right now. I have zero tolerance for bullshit. Simple as that.

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Yeah. Yep.

Kelli (46:55.138)
Yeah. And then Camille starts.

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And Sutton says, I'm not angry. I'm not angry with you. raised my voice in the Sprinter because I feel like you weren't listening to me and not understanding, you know, the bigger point. It's about being able to talk and being able to, you know, understand. And that's when Bo says, well, we can't weaponize moments of vulnerability. And it's true. Right. And then that's when Camille bursts in and says, I'm sorry to Jareet when,

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Which isn't exactly what she did.

Kelli (47:15.522)
Right. Yes, she did. She did.

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you were at my, when my house burnt down and I lost my assistant of many years, I didn't get any compassion from you. Wait, what? That was many years ago and it had nothing to do with this conversation. Nothing.

Kelli (47:36.246)
No, and how about when Camille brought up Dorit's financial situation on camera and saying that her husband was hiding things from her? How about that?

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Yeah. Like it made no sense even what Camille had to, like, why did she even jump in? There wasn't even a, there was no doorway for her to walk through.

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She was just trying to get a moment.

Kelli (47:58.422)
Yep. Yep. And basically Dorit says that to her.

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That's what she was trying to do. She's trying to get a little

Kelli (48:06.092)
Yeah, and Kyle, Kyle, you know when production says to you, we're gonna have Camille Grammer come to your party. Kyle's like, okay. Because she knows Kyle, Camille and Dorit aren't good. She knows what's gonna happen when Camille comes in and Kyle's not good with Dorit right now. So Kyle kind of cosigned that too.

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No, she definitely did. mean, the way when Camille jumps in with her statement, the way Dorit says, honey, it's because you were a total see you next Tuesday to me. And I was, and the fact that she said honey first and how calm she said it, was like, and then Camille is like, did you just call? And she's like, yes, and I'll do it again. I'll call you it again.

Kelli (48:46.818)
Mm-hmm.

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I mean, listen, she definitely ate her up. There was no doubt about it. And even in her confessionals, she's like, I did regret it the first time I called her that, but no, I don't regret it now. I mean, she deserved it.

Kelli (49:00.887)
did.

Kelli (49:09.12)
No, she did deserve it. Enough. Like if Denise Richards wants to be a housewife, great, bring her back. I'm here for that. Don't bring her on to, you know, have her put her jacket on upside down and have somebody call it out. If like Camille, if you're not going to make Camille a housewife and please don't, stop. She's not even a friend of like, what was she doing? She was specifically there to start this bullshit and she looked like a damn fool.

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race.

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or even a friend of. She's not even a friend of.

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And I can tell you this from what I know from listening to Crystal and Cynthia, Camille did not get paid for that appearance. She did not make one red cent. You do not make one red cent when you show up like that for a party that's planned.

Kelli (49:45.826)
Cynthia.

Kelli (49:55.18)
That just goes to show you how desperate she is to be on TV. She doesn't need the money. She's got fucking Kelsey Grammar money.

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Yes!

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Yes, you're absolutely right. You're right.

Kelli (50:04.694)
So she's that desperate to be on camera?

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she be thirsty.

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Yes.

Kelli (50:09.976)
He's so thirsty.

It's crazy!

We Wine Whenever (50:16.255)
So what else we got?

Kelli (50:20.696)
That's all I got.

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I mean, basically that's, I mean, that's pretty much where it ends. know, Doree says, I would really love to believe that, but your actions speak louder than your words. Sutton said your actions, yeah, yeah. And then in her confessional, she said, I think Sutton is more concerned with looking like a sincere empathetic friend than being one. I, than actually being a sincere empathetic friend. And,

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right for some.

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than being one.

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Kyle says everyone can work on their actions and their delivery and not holding onto a grudge. And Jennifer Tilly says it was a wonderful party. Thank you.

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Yes. you. Yeah. So now, yeah. Now on the after show, was interesting because they had Bose and Dorit sitting together. And she basically, Dorit was talking about PK and the divorce and her relationship and how, you know, the whole thing about

Kelli (50:57.272)
She's like, I had a great time. Thank you.

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you

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You

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Okay.

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P.K. saying that she, you know, like, demasculated him or whatever. So she was really smart that Boz, she really kind of broke it down. I think she was right. It's that she was saying how P.K. didn't think Durie needed him. Like she used to need him. But Boz was like, you know, you don't need to need him.

And that's okay, you want him. you don't have to need him. But Dre was like, but I do need him. I need him at the same level that I've always needed him. It's just, I needed him in a different place than where I needed him before. And Boz was like, well, you know what? He's just so busy looking at the fact that you don't need him in that place where you used to need him, that he's not seeing.

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Right.

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that you're over here on the left and you still need them. So it was just, it was a good little, it was a good little banter back and forth. was.

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That's interesting.

Kelli (52:29.928)
It is interesting. I personally do feel like Dorit has been very honest with PK and we've actually seen them sit with a therapist and talk about it. And I feel like she's been very clear with him. I don't think he was capable of doing whatever she needed him to do at the time. But that is interesting what Bo said.

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It was, it was very, it was very thought provoking. was like, you know what, girl, I think you'd be right. I think you're right. I think you're right.

Kelli (52:54.464)
Yeah, she's very smart, that woman. I was telling Eric about her, because he came in and out. I said, she got Pepsi the Super Bowl, right? She negotiated that deal? That's huge. I'm sure she had other accomplishments, but that's his brain's football, so.

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Yeah. Yes.

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And then I think, yeah, I feel like I saw some things like Cathy Hilton did that pizza party or whatever. I feel like she's just insinuating herself to have air time. I don't really think that she's insinuating herself because she's all that concerned about God.

Kelli (53:32.6)
100%. I could not agree with you more.

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Okay, that's just my, just my non housewife opinion.

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No comments.

Kelli (53:44.426)
I think that Kat, you know what, I'm not even going to say it. I agree with you.

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Okay. Okay, good.

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haha

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All right, so to be continued, correct?

Kelli (53:53.784)
to be continued.

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Yeah, I guess we're gonna have to wait and see what happens with Beverly Hills because there's a lot going on and there's still a lot. Yeah, I mean, we're only in episode five, so we still have plenty of season left and we'll just, yeah, we'll have to see what happens.

Kelli (54:00.202)
It's good though.

Yeah.

It's good. I mean, I feel like other franchises are kind of hanging on by a thread, but it's good.

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Mm-hmm. Well, like I said, I hadn't really been keeping up with Beverly Hills. So it was nice to see some growth for Erica. It's nice to see Dorique calling people the C-word and just chowing down. And I like seeing the two new faces. Yeah, I like them both. So I was like, oh, okay, it's not bad. Not bad.

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Yes, I do too. I do too.

Kelli (54:37.112)
Yeah, no, it's good. Did you see that Andy Cohen said we won't know anything about he's not making any decisions about Jersey in 2025. We won't know until 2026.

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That is the stupidest thing that I ever heard in my life. What is it that, let me help you out that you can't make a decision, it takes you a year to make a decision. I can help you, we can help you make a decision. Like what, that is just nonsense.

Kelli (55:00.172)
Well, it's just interesting because the two people who have been highlighted, the two housewives who have been highlighted, one was Dolores and the headline was like, she's upset with her co-stars for basically not getting their shit together and making amends, which we know who she's talking about. And then the other headline was, Melissa makes a threat, Andy Cohen or something like that, something about a threat. But I didn't actually even read it.

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Yes.

Kelli (55:27.576)
But I think basically she was just like, wherever she said this, she was just like, that's bullshit. Like this is bullshit. I mean, I don't take that as a threat. I don't think she's threatening the network.

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Yeah, a year, stop it. No. No, I think that's the truth, because it is bullshit. don't... You should... If you can't make a decision...

Kelli (55:44.04)
I agree, I think every single one of them should be saying, this is bullshit, either fire us or roll tape. Like, come on.

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Right.

Yes, absolutely. Yeah, it shouldn't take anybody a year. Like actually, if he's saying he can't make a decision or then then everybody should be fired the whole network because if that takes you a whole year to make a decision, then there's something fucking wrong.

Kelli (56:04.438)
Exactly.

Kelli (56:09.612)
Just fire them and then either leave, don't recast Jersey or recast Jersey. Like what is, you you've had 15 years to figure this shit out.

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And move on.

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Like, what are we gonna do? Do it.

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Mm-hmm. Yeah, I thought there was a of nonsense myself. And did you see Dolores was on a big billboard going into the city for a plastic surgeon? Yes, she had the facelift.

Kelli (56:29.656)
Yeah, and yeah.

Well, Dr. Karolak, who's involved Township, was on Melissa's podcast last week.

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Yes, he was. Yes, he was.

Kelli (56:39.788)
Yeah, and he's writing Wall Township.

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I I could afford it. Look, Yeah, you know what? Listen, I already went, I already paid money for a consternation. Because it's $14,000 and I don't even have $1,000. So there you go. Give me, go fund me.

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You know, I think he does free consultations.

Kelli (56:44.056)
Let's go.

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Well, why didn't you?

Kelli (56:51.192)
Laurie's like, I'm gonna pay fucking consultation!

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They do payment. They do payment. They do payment plans, you know.

Kelli (57:00.056)
You're like, what can a grand get me?

We Wine Whenever (57:04.597)
Yeah, but you need a job to pay the payment for him.

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Oh, yeah. Maybe we can do a GoFundMe.

Kelli (57:07.842)
team.

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Go find me for me. And then I'll be on the podcast and bring us the results. Yeah. Yeah, we can do that. We can do that. Do twofer.

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Ha ha

Kelli (57:16.29)
Can I get an Otome

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Hahaha!

Kelli (57:22.22)
Doesn't anybody want to sponsor us? People are calling us old hags for crying out loud. Sponsor us!

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You

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Yes. Yeah, help us out!

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Dr. Karolak, please help us. Help us old hags out.

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good Lord. Okay, girls. What about the old hags from Jersey?

We Wine Whenever (57:36.41)
But wait, did want to tell you this. I saw that three housewives are doing a cruise together. Did you see that?

You did not? Oh yes.

Kelli (57:45.93)
No, and I don't I'm not a cruise person, but you might be able to talk me into it. Who are the housewives?

We Wine Whenever (57:49.872)
I doubt it. seriously doubt it. I seriously doubt it. Do you want me to name them?

We Wine Whenever (57:50.458)
Kelly might be going for the passport.

Kelli (57:55.736)
Who are the housewives? Please, name them, name them.

We Wine Whenever (57:59.844)
I'm gonna name them. One of them is Dolores. One of them is Jennifer Aiden. And the third one, Teresa.

We Wine Whenever (58:00.19)
No, I'm

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Eh.

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Meh.

is Teresa.

Kelli (58:12.728)
you couldn't fucking pay me to get on that ship. You could not pay me. I'm out.

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I might, I might just go.

Kelli (58:23.362)
Good for you. You have a great fucking time.

God bless. I should have known.

We Wine Whenever (58:29.301)
too funny. That's too fun.

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Isn't that funny? And it leaves out of New York. So you don't even have to fly. Yeah. Yeah. I saw that. And wait, when is it? think it is, I want to say September, 2025. I think it's like right in the middle of hurricane season. Don't quote me on the time.

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I was gonna say.

Kelli (58:34.999)
course it does!

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Lie. Do you need a passport?

Kelli (58:40.309)
Nope.

Kelli (58:48.842)
around my birthday? figures. Figures. You have a great time.

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Yeah, good. Great time.

We Wine Whenever (58:57.743)
Don't quote me on the timeframe. But when I saw that, I laughed so hard. I was like, oh, wait till I tell Kelly.

Kelli (59:03.382)
I do really want to look into that spa up in North Jersey though. And I think we should go soon because I think they have like the heated pool outside but like you can go into it this time of year because it's a heated pool. let's, I forget what it's called, Crystal Springs?

We Wine Whenever (59:24.975)
Crystal something. All right.

Kelli (59:26.178)
Crystal something, yeah. Or we can go down to the ocean resort and go to that spot.

We Wine Whenever (59:26.473)
I don't

There you go.

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Cool. We could figure something out.

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I'll go anywhere.

Kelli (59:37.142)
I have a funny story about the, our night in AC. You know, we went Monday night actually. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (59:41.743)
you wanna do it on this podcast or save it for the next? Save it for the next. Yeah, let's save it for the next podcast. So you're gonna have to wait and listen to, the next one's gonna be Salt Lake City. So you're gonna have to listen to our episode on Salt Lake City to hear about what happened to Kelly in AC. Okay? Thank you for watching and listening to We Wine Whenever. Until next time, bye.

We Wine Whenever (59:41.781)
That's a good one.

We Wine Whenever (59:46.397)
Let's do in the next one. Yeah.

Kelli (59:46.579)
maybe we'll save it for the next. We're reaching an hour.

Kelli (59:55.256)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (01:00:08.418)
Bye.

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Bye.