RHOP-Dominant, Submissive, and Everything in Between

RHOP-Dominant, Submissive, and Everything in Between


RHOP S9 E11: "Secrets of the Love Lagoon":

The episode features a mix of bonding, drama, and awkward revelations as the Potomac ladies prepare for Karen’s “Love Lagoon” party. Mia and her kids tackle an indoor ropes course, while Karen plans her lagoon-themed soirée, complete with mermaids and tropical cocktails.

Stacey opens up about her relationship with TJ, navigating her friends’ bold opinions and Aunt Dora’s advice. Giselle tests her dancing skills with a Miami charmer, questioning whether he’s “too nice” for her. Meanwhile, the group shops for Panama trip outfits, with Keirna expressing her preference for European destinations. At Karen’s party, tensions rise as the guests play “Turn Up the Heat,” a revealing Q&A game exploring fidelity and bedroom dynamics.

The evening takes a dramatic turn when Jacqueline unexpectedly arrives, setting up potential fireworks for next week.

Takeaways

• The Love Lagoon party sets the stage for relationship dynamics.
• Giselle's comments reveal underlying tensions in friendships.
• Stacey's relationship status raises questions about fidelity.
• Mia's admission of cheating adds complexity to her character.
• Giselle's date highlights her desire for a 'bad boy' type.
• The awkwardness of past relationships is palpable during the games.
• Karen's party is a mix of fun and drama.
• The group dynamics shift as secrets are revealed.
• The hosts find humor in the cast's interactions.
• The episode showcases the blend of reality and entertainment. Kiana and Wendy identify as submissive, while Eddie and Mia are dominant.
• The dynamics of dominance and submission can vary between relationships.
• Stacey's dominant personality surprised the hosts, indicating unexpected traits in individuals.
• Jacqueline's unexpected appearance raises questions about social etiquette.
• Marital issues in reality TV can reflect deeper personal struggles.
• The sprinkle cookie controversy highlights the intersection of food and reality TV drama.
• Social media reactions can amplify the drama surrounding reality TV personalities.
• Fans often engage deeply with the narratives presented in reality shows.
• The hosts express concern over the potential separation of Bronwyn and Todd.
• The conversation reflects the humorous and serious aspects of reality TV culture.

Transcript

We Wine Whenever (00:00.898)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy. We are talking about Real Housewives of Potomac, season nine, episode number 11. Secrets of the Love Lagoon. I mean, I don't know where she came up with the name of this party, to be honest with you, Karen.

Kelli (00:03.343)
I'm Kelly.

Kelli (00:20.782)
either but I love a themed party with a mermaid.

We Wine Whenever (00:23.479)
well, two mermaids.

Kelli (00:26.052)
Yep.

We Wine Whenever (00:27.064)
Two mermaids. We start out with Mia and her two children, Jeremiah and Juju. They're at an indoor ropes course. Did look fun. Not really sure what that was all about. Just getting a scene in. Happy scene with the kids. Okay. Next we see Stacey, Gisele, and Karen. They all meet for lunch. And they're talking about Karen's party.

Kelli (00:36.708)
Yeah, that looked fun.

Kelli (00:42.886)
Yep. Yeah, maybe.

We Wine Whenever (00:56.225)
The Love Lagoon is her party. And Stacy's talking about how TJ is coming in from LA to go to the party because it's a couple's party. Or I guess the invitation according to Mia was bring your significant other. Your special person, right. So Giselle says that Stacy needs more dicks in her life. And she also,

Kelli (01:06.598)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (01:12.304)
Yeah, you're a special person. Yeah.

Kelli (01:23.162)
Yeah. She says you need more penis. She said, would that be PNI?

We Wine Whenever (01:28.94)
Yeah. And then Giselle says if TJ's not getting it from Stacey, he's probably getting it from someone else.

Kelli (01:30.62)
Is that peanut?

Kelli (01:41.691)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (01:43.266)
I think it's very interesting that Giselle feels the need to say this to Stacey, but I think what's more interesting is that Stacey feels the need to repeat it to TJ in front of everybody.

Kelli (01:54.214)
Yeah.

Well, to me that indicates that she's wondering too, but she's putting it on them. Like, well, they asked. But if you knew, like if you knew in your heart, like, no, we're good. Why would you even bring it up?

We Wine Whenever (02:01.9)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (02:07.082)
Right. Yeah, I don't know. I think it's messy. I thought it was interesting that he FaceTimed in and he was said he was on the set of Grey's Anatomy. So I watched Grey's Anatomy.

Kelli (02:19.388)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (02:25.564)
Have you seen them on?

We Wine Whenever (02:26.677)
I've not seen him on, so he must be like an extra. he's not like a named doctor.

Kelli (02:37.766)
So maybe this guy's just trying to like be an actor, like trying to get into the business. I mean, and what better way than to pretend to be in a relationship with a real housewife, right?

We Wine Whenever (02:49.025)
Maybe. Yeah. I'm gonna look for him though. When Grey's Anatomy comes back on again. We sure can. IMDB, IMDB. Wait, what is his last name? I'm sure we can figure it out. I don't remember what it is. I'm sure we'll figure it out though. And then we see Wendy's meeting up with Mia Giselle. all of them. They're all meeting up at the clothing store. Yep. They meet up at the clothing store.

Kelli (02:55.952)
Well, we could check his IMBD. IMDB, I always get it wrong. IMDB, yeah.

Kelli (03:05.937)
yeah, I don't know.

Kelli (03:14.818)
All of them. She sends a group text. Meet me at the boutique.

We Wine Whenever (03:18.772)
Yep. I didn't realize they were all going to be there. I'm like writing down the names. I'm like, yep, yep. they're all here. And I guess the whole point of that was to announce that they're going to Panama and that they can do a little shopping there. But Kiana feels a need to tell everyone that she really likes the style in Europe better.

Kelli (03:26.172)
You

Kelli (03:40.154)
Because she thought they were going to Panama City, Florida.

We Wine Whenever (03:43.462)
Is that- No.

Kelli (03:45.264)
Yeah, that's what she said to Greg and her brother. She said, it's a little place off of Florida. He goes, no, you're thinking of Panama City, Florida.

We Wine Whenever (03:49.8)
Now I thought...

We Wine Whenever (03:56.564)
You know what, when they were having that conversation, I thought, because I really was half paying attention, I thought they said, are you going to Panama the country or Panama the city? And I thought she said, I don't know. They said Panama. So I guess the country. I didn't realize she thought it was Panama City, Florida.

Kelli (04:16.016)
I think, I don't think she really knew what Panama City, Florida was, but she heard the word Panama and thought that's where she was going. That's how I took it.

We Wine Whenever (04:24.36)
that's interesting. That could be right. Listen, every conversation I see with her and Greg is just off.

Kelli (04:35.868)
Well, did you, I mean, so you hear, so she says, you know, there's, we're celebrating, it's the liberation celebration, because there's been three divorces. And he said, is that because of show? Like, I was surprised that they broke the fourth wall the way they did. And then in her confessional, she said, he's really not into this.

We Wine Whenever (04:43.827)
Yeah!

We Wine Whenever (04:47.572)
Yeah, I know.

We Wine Whenever (04:52.564)
Yeah.

Right, he doesn't like to be on camera at all.

Kelli (04:58.108)
So it explains why you're getting an awkward vibe from them every time they're on the screen together.

We Wine Whenever (05:04.403)
Yeah, because he is, yeah, he doesn't want to be there. Yeah. And who was that other guy?

Kelli (05:07.354)
Mm-mm. No. I think that was her brother. I think they said in the beginning of the scene it was Kiana's brother.

We Wine Whenever (05:13.256)
Okay.

We Wine Whenever (05:17.001)
Okay.

Yeah. All right. So then at the boutique, Mia asks Karen if she can bring Jackal into her house.

Kelli (05:27.6)
because Gordon can't make it? What does Gordon have going on that he can't make a party at Karen's house? He loves Karen.

We Wine Whenever (05:35.305)
Yeah, I think she just wasn't inviting him.

Kelli (05:38.182)
I think so too. I Gordon was not getting the invite.

We Wine Whenever (05:42.453)
I don't think he got it. I don't think Gordon got the invite. Karen does not want Jacqueline there and she makes it very clear that Jacqueline is not welcome in her house.

Kelli (05:54.534)
She said, I don't fuck with Jacqueline. And you know what, Karen? I don't fuck with Jacqueline either. So I'm with you. Especially after what happens. Well, not that we even see it yet.

We Wine Whenever (05:59.252)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (06:04.753)
Yeah. Right. We don't even see it at the end. So we'll have to wait and see. So then we see Stacey meets up with her aunt Dora. We find out she doesn't even call her aunt Dora because they're very close. It's her, I think her father's youngest sister. So she feels like she's more of a sister to her. And they're chatting about, you know, how she's doing and Stacey's lets her know it's been almost a year and

Kelli (06:09.168)
Bye.

Kelli (06:19.195)
youngest sister.

We Wine Whenever (06:32.021)
you know, Dora says, listen, gotta, you gotta move on with your life. You know, you can't be in this limbo. And she's like, well, do you think I should put a timeline on this? And Dora's like, yeah, maybe. And she said, well, there is a new guy. And Dora guesses, is it the guy that I saw on QVC? And she says, yes. And she also lets her know that she's not sleeping with him. And Dora thinks that's good.

Kelli (06:57.754)
At first she was like, that's a long time to go without.

We Wine Whenever (07:00.927)
bright.

Kelli (07:02.598)
but then she says that's good. I mean, I don't think it's so like out of pocket that they're not sleeping together. I really don't. Like I think people probably do make that decision to not, know, if she's still legally married, I think people do make those decisions. I don't think it's so strange. I think he's, he gives off a.

We Wine Whenever (07:20.904)
Right, right.

We Wine Whenever (07:26.793)
I don't think it's so strange either.

Kelli (07:31.344)
He just doesn't give off that like, boyfriend vibe with her. He just doesn't.

We Wine Whenever (07:36.65)
He doesn't, he really doesn't. And I think that because she's not divorced and she chose to come on the show with another man and will never see her soon to be ex, because obviously he's not signing off on this, and why would he?

Kelli (07:49.51)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (07:54.246)
Mm-mm. Right.

We Wine Whenever (07:58.217)
I think she would have been better coming on by herself.

Kelli (08:01.54)
Me too.

Me too.

We Wine Whenever (08:04.253)
And if she had this thing with him, keep it off camera.

Kelli (08:10.618)
Yeah, just, there's just something just, it's just off. It's just not believable that they're actually in a relationship.

We Wine Whenever (08:15.913)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (08:20.317)
Right. I agree. I agree. And they, like you said, they seem like they're friends. Which is fine if you're friends, but then say you're friends. Right.

Kelli (08:24.677)
Yeah.

Kelli (08:28.188)
Just say you're friends. Don't say you're like waiting for him and gonna, you know, be with them and it's just, I don't know.

We Wine Whenever (08:33.586)
Right.

next we see Giselle goes on a date with, how do you pronounce his name? Namsa? Namsana? I don't. Namsa.

Kelli (08:43.448)
Namza? Namza?

I think it's Namza, but I apologize if it's wrong. Either way, he's adorable and I really like him.

We Wine Whenever (08:51.121)
I know. There's, he, he really is a good looking man. I think it's funny that Giselle asks him if he knows how to salsa and it was her idea to take him on this dancing date when she knows she's not good at it. She's not a good dancer. No, it was her idea.

Kelli (09:06.664)
I thought it was his idea to go dancing. Well, well, that's interesting.

We Wine Whenever (09:12.519)
Yeah, that's what I thought. Yeah. So he says, listen, he grew up in Miami. So yeah, he's, he's good at the salsa. Then she's, she starts playing a little game with him, like a rapid fire questions versus Michael Jordan or LeBron James. And he says, Michael Jordan. Next is Tupac or Biggie. He says, Biggie.

Kelli (09:14.182)
Why would you do that?

Kelli (09:19.1)
Hmm

Yeah.

Kelli (09:34.054)
More man.

Kelli (09:37.904)
Peggy? Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (09:39.591)
Then she said, are you a criminal? No. Been to jail? No. Married? No. Engaged before? No. Favorite color green? And then in her confessional, she's like, he might be too good for me. I like a little, yeah, a little edgy and then, know, look a little edgy. And then they said, well, has Jamal ever been arrested? And she's like, well, yeah, for protesting.

Kelli (09:49.658)
Yeah, she said he's got to be a little mean. Is that what she said? He's got to be a little mean

Kelli (10:03.324)
Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure he's got an edge. The man had a camera in his face. Like, you know what I mean?

We Wine Whenever (10:10.236)
Yeah.

I mean just because he doesn't have a record and hasn't been married or engaged like doesn't mean he's not a you know

Kelli (10:19.42)
Probably got a little bad boy in him.

We Wine Whenever (10:21.189)
Yeah. Then we go to Karen's house and we see that it's all decorated for her love, Lagoon, and the mermaids hop out to the pool.

Kelli (10:32.165)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (10:38.456)
Ashley and Giselle are driving to the party with their dates, which I thought was interesting. Yes, I think they're cute together, both of them.

Kelli (10:42.532)
Yeah, the speed dating dates.

I do too, think both of the couples are adorable.

We Wine Whenever (10:51.44)
And I, you know, I don't blame Ashley in the car. She's like, I'm a little protective over Josh. Like, I don't know. Like, you know, he's ready for these women. And you, you even saw Karen's reaction when she saw him. She's like, he's, he's, he's cute. He's like a little, like a baby. Like, what was she calling him?

Kelli (11:10.694)
I don't know, but who said that's a lateral move? Wendy?

We Wine Whenever (11:15.394)
probably Wendy, because Wendy's shady like that. Yeah.

Kelli (11:17.2)
I guess, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like what, like white guy, white guy? Like I didn't get it. I guess so, right? Quirky white guy? I mean, that's her gig, let her be.

We Wine Whenever (11:22.639)
Yeah, thanks. Yeah, I think so. I think so.

Exactly. That is her gig.

Kelli (11:35.148)
we finally see Jassy again. Where's Jassy been with Darius? I was glad to see her.

We Wine Whenever (11:38.056)
I know, I know. I was too. Darius was a little awkward though too, especially when we get to that game.

Kelli (11:47.408)
Well, come on, mean, who was, have you ever, you know, thought your significant other cheated? Well, we all know that he had got two, he got a girl pregnant twice while dating her. Or who, I don't know the timing, but we know the story now, so that's, you know, definitely awkward for him. Yeah, the first question was, you think your partner's cheated on you?

We Wine Whenever (11:55.312)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (12:01.697)
Right, right, exactly.

We Wine Whenever (12:06.467)
I know. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (12:12.433)
Yeah.

Kelli (12:13.38)
I mean, that was a layup for Karen.

We Wine Whenever (12:16.999)
I mean, well, come on, that's just so stupid. Everyone knows that that's not the truth, right?

Kelli (12:17.062)
For Ray to be like, nope.

Kelli (12:23.812)
Right, supposedly, you know, now allegedly she had a guy in the car the night of her DUI, you know. Yeah, tell me you're staging it without telling me you're staging it.

We Wine Whenever (12:32.987)
Who knows?

We Wine Whenever (12:37.071)
Yeah. Happy Eddie arrives and he brings some Happy Eddie edibles. Yep. Yep. Yep. Jassy brings up a bottle of wine from her family's vineyard and it's 23 years old. I didn't know her family had a vineyard.

Kelli (12:45.03)
I like to party with happy Eddie.

Kelli (12:53.434)
Yeah, that was nice.

No, me neither. I'll have look that up. Maybe we'll go visit it.

We Wine Whenever (12:58.594)
Yeah, there you go. Karen had her signature drink for this occasion, the Grand Dom-tini. I wonder if there was alcohol in hers.

Kelli (13:06.502)
That was cute.

I know I was thinking that.

We Wine Whenever (13:11.514)
No one brought it up.

Kelli (13:12.806)
She was home, she wasn't driving anywhere. You know? Right.

We Wine Whenever (13:14.904)
I know. Listen, I don't think it's a problem. And the name of the game that they were playing is called Turn Up the Heat. Just, know, Karen's way to be messy. So Stacey, the answer is that question about, you feel like your partner has ever cheated? Stacey says, well, despite what Giselle and Karen said, I don't think you're cheating.

Kelli (13:25.798)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (13:38.637)
She threw them right under the bus

We Wine Whenever (13:40.507)
Right.

Giselle said, well, you guys are not a couple, so this does not even apply to you. Which I thought was, woo, she's quick. Giselle is quick. So then she tells TJ what Giselle and Karen said. And Stacey said that she needs to find a couple of penises to have on the side as well. And TJ says, listen, I get that you guys are friends, and if you weren't her friend, you wouldn't be telling her that. And I respect

that you guys are, you know, trying to be transparent. Really? That's how you respond to that?

Kelli (14:19.15)
I know. Yeah, it was not a response I was expecting.

We Wine Whenever (14:25.248)
No. And then he goes on to say he's not sleeping with anybody. First of all, don't know a single man on the planet who would respond to that that way.

Kelli (14:28.452)
But I'm not a virgin.

Kelli (14:37.316)
Right. No. No.

We Wine Whenever (14:39.268)
right? Karen and Giselle both think that you're cheating on me and then I need to get some penises on the side.

Kelli (14:45.936)
Right. Do you have a whole other life in LA?

We Wine Whenever (14:48.226)
Right. well, because you guys are good friends and I appreciate you being transparent. What? No. Very odd. And then Darius and Jazzy are next. And Jazzy says, yes, but I don't have proof. Awkward. Eddie says no, and so does Wendy. Kiorne and Greg both say no.

Kelli (14:54.906)
Yeah, no, that was odd.

Kelli (15:07.429)
Yeah, very awesome.

Kelli (15:13.958)
Greg was funny though, he goes, I don't think so, because I have Kiana followed.

We Wine Whenever (15:17.956)
Hahaha!

Kelli (15:19.772)
That so funny. No, me neither. I thought it was great.

We Wine Whenever (15:23.429)
I actually wouldn't put it past them.

Mia said, Gordon has never cheated on me. And then they asked her, did she ever cheat on Gordon? And she said, yes. And then she said next. And Stacey's like, did anyone pick up what she just said? And nobody did. And they just kept on moving along.

Kelli (15:46.044)
Yeah, but they were questioning like them having a threesome. Like obviously having a threesome is not cheating. Your partner's there. Obviously it's consensual.

We Wine Whenever (15:52.174)
Right?

We Wine Whenever (15:56.557)
Right, exactly. Exactly. It's not cheating. It's not cheating.

Kelli (15:57.82)
That's not cheating. I mean, I think Mia cheated on him with ink, like legit cheated on him, which he's alleged. Right. She did admit it. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (16:03.878)
No, he, she definitely did. She said, but she admitted, she admitted to cheating. Yeah, she admitted it. I mean, that's the thing with Mia. She usually does admit it. I mean, from the very beginning, she kind of told us who she was, right?

Kelli (16:13.488)
Yes.

Kelli (16:17.774)
Yes, she did. She did. Yeah. But you liked her because she was with G. Like, I think she's more likable with G than she is with Ink, and I, you know, I don't know why. Well, I don't like what she's doing to G, I guess. I don't know, I got a soft spot in my heart for G.

We Wine Whenever (16:29.709)
Yeah. Yeah, I think a lot of people do. So then Kierna picks the next question and says, next question is, are you dominant or permissive in the bedroom?

Kelli (16:33.5)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (16:45.254)
submissive, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (16:46.754)
So TJ, this could give you some insight as to what to expect, she says. So Kiana says she's submissive. Wendy says she's submissive. Eddie says he's dominant. Mia says she's dominant with Gordon, but with Ink, he likes to choke her, so she's submissive. Okay.

Kelli (17:08.089)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (17:10.373)
Namsna says he's dominant. Giselle says, let's say I'm in a dominant mood. He says, well, then we're gonna have some jousting going on. Because Giselle says she's dominant too. I like this answer back though. I like this answer. think, you know, I think she's met her match with him. And then Ashley says that she likes to dip in different ponds and in the lady pond she's dominant.

Kelli (17:27.164)
I did, I did, I did too.

Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (17:39.747)
and in the other pond she's submissive.

Kelli (17:42.556)
That's interesting, isn't it?

We Wine Whenever (17:44.141)
It is interesting. I mean, it doesn't surprise me though.

Kelli (17:48.826)
No, but Stacey's answer surprised me when she said she was dominant.

We Wine Whenever (17:52.887)
Yeah.

Kelli (17:54.256)
That was very surprising to me.

We Wine Whenever (17:56.195)
Well, you know what, actually it's not really surprising because she's dominant in the relationship right now.

Kelli (18:01.66)
That's true. But I, you know, you think it's just because who he is.

We Wine Whenever (18:02.574)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (18:07.863)
Hmm. I don't know. Josh said he's dominant. Darius is dominant. Stacey says she's dominant. TJ says just because you're not sleeping with me now doesn't mean I'm not gonna be dominant. Yeah. Okay. Next.

Kelli (18:25.766)
We don't believe a word you say, TJ. We're not buying it and you shouldn't be selling it.

We Wine Whenever (18:27.893)
That's it. That's it. Ray says early on, Karen was more dominant than I was. She used to tear me up. I think I'm going to have to marry this girl. I believe that too. I think Karen is a man eater.

Kelli (18:40.508)
I believe that. I believe that wholeheartedly.

Yep. Yep. They've written songs about her.

We Wine Whenever (18:49.699)
Yep, Tiselle says, Ray, Karen informed us a while ago that she's retired her mouth. Would you like her to come out of retirement? He says, absolutely. She doesn't be a messy for Karen, just making it hard for Karen. And Josh is sitting over there like, I like Ray.

Kelli (18:58.534)
was gonna say.

Kelli (19:02.424)
Exactly, exactly.

Kelli (19:09.404)
Hahaha!

We Wine Whenever (19:13.22)
And then it ends with the dogs in the backyard and whose dogs are those? And do you have dogs and all of a sudden balloons pop around the corner with Jacqueline?

Kelli (19:24.124)
Hey, you know what's so funny when they were at the boutique, Jacqueline's like, well, I didn't want to go to your party anyway. I think you did, Jacqueline, because you just showed up. It's very strange. Why would you go to a party you were not invited to?

We Wine Whenever (19:28.708)
I know. I know.

We Wine Whenever (19:37.666)
someone's house and bring your dogs? Did she bring her dogs?

Kelli (19:38.778)
at someone's house.

Kelli (19:42.81)
She must have because they weren't, I don't think they were Karen's dogs.

We Wine Whenever (19:45.504)
Right, so who does that?

Kelli (19:48.432)
Jaclyn and that's why we don't fuck with her

We Wine Whenever (19:51.982)
I don't even, like, I don't think Karen's letting her in the backyard.

Kelli (19:55.312)
Damn well better not, she wasn't invited. She better not let her in that backyard. Where would you go? How embarrassing for you.

We Wine Whenever (19:57.582)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (20:01.571)
Watch.

And why would you show up with pink balloons?

Kelli (20:06.608)
Yeah, it didn't make sense.

We Wine Whenever (20:09.668)
It was the love lagoon. Was she thinking pink for love? She think, were they, I just saw, okay, well she didn't have any pink in her theme there. She had all the blue and the white and the, yeah. Right. Or love lagoon. All right, well I thought that was a little messy. As Jackie, but she's just a friend of anyway. So, right? Wait.

Kelli (20:12.88)
Maybe. I think they were heart balloons, weren't they? I think they were heart balloons.

Kelli (20:21.752)
No, it was all blue. Like Blue Lagoon.

or love.

Kelli (20:32.294)
Yeah.

Kelli (20:36.892)
Yeah, I think she's trying to get that spot though.

We Wine Whenever (20:39.299)
Hold on. Yeah, Kiana is the real one. Jacqueline's not. Can you believe I have to keep turning around to see who's on? I mean, what did I just say? on episode 11 and I still can't get it right? Yes, they are. They are. Yes.

Kelli (20:50.288)
I know. No, Jacqueline and Jassy, I think are friends. But Kiarna got the spot. So somebody said, I was looking at social media earlier. Somebody said that Kiarna, they probably gave Kiarna an actual spot. So she didn't name them in the lawsuit against Debra.

We Wine Whenever (21:12.803)
Could be.

Kelli (21:14.286)
It could be. I like her though. I like her. I think she was a good addition. I feel bad that Greg's not comfortable on the camera because I think that they would come off better if he were. But listen, I wouldn't be comfortable either and nobody in my family would. So I get it. Something else I saw very quickly on social media, but I couldn't really look into it. Did Bronwyn leave Todd on Salt Lake City? Did you see that?

We Wine Whenever (21:24.739)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (21:44.301)
I didn't see that, but I saw that it said for the coming, like coming, you know, next on Salt Lake, she said something about, you don't know that the marital troubles or the, I don't know the exact word she used, but it, it alluded to marital issues. Yeah.

Kelli (22:00.646)
them having issues. And in this, what I did see very briefly is that she's saying that he was very insensitive about her dog bite, her dog incident, which we saw was pretty, pretty bad. And some, but somebody wrote like, okay, so you want to stay on the show. He doesn't want you to, so you're using the dog as an excuse, which I mean, that was somebody's comment. That wasn't part of the article.

We Wine Whenever (22:15.394)
How do?

We Wine Whenever (22:30.508)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (22:31.302)
But I was like, damn, that's quick. That's a quick separation after your first season. I hope it's not true. I don't like to see anybody break up.

We Wine Whenever (22:43.489)
It's so weird because we had talked about this and I said that I don't think she should come back because she doesn't need the money and it's not good for her marriage, right? And I had this conversation with a couple of people. I had it with Robert at work and some people online were like, you know, people go on Housewives to get a divorce. And I'm like, but she doesn't need to. I mean, he gave her a $4 million necklace.

Kelli (23:07.43)
Right.

Kelli (23:10.746)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (23:11.339)
Like, do you need to go get a job if you've got a $4 million necklace?

Kelli (23:15.492)
No, but if she's bored at home, not doing anything, and now all of a sudden has this newfound fame, people recognize her, she's getting, you know.

We Wine Whenever (23:27.263)
guess.

Kelli (23:28.474)
Maybe she likes that.

We Wine Whenever (23:31.008)
Yeah, she must, right? She must, because she really is, I mean, she's kind of fighting for her spot with, you know, calling out all the girls on what they're doing, talking about each other and, you know, going back and telling them what they said. And, you know, she is, she is earning her paycheck, especially

Kelli (23:32.89)
Yeah, yeah.

Kelli (23:47.014)
Yeah.

Kelli (23:50.46)
I think she's a great housewife.

We Wine Whenever (23:56.066)
That disappoints me though. Yeah. It disappoints me if that's what her motive was. You know?

Kelli (23:57.926)
Me too, I don't wanna see it quite honestly. I don't wanna see them separate.

Kelli (24:06.392)
Right, but I mean, unfortunately, I mean, they must have had some underlying stuff going on. If this is even true, I'm just saying I saw it real-

We Wine Whenever (24:15.508)
Right, right, if it's even true. And James was helping her carry this stuff to her car. saw that too. Which is good. I I think she needs to take some time away and really think about the relationship or where she goes. you know, she doesn't need him.

Kelli (24:18.33)
And then I saw that Allie was moving out.

Kelli (24:27.612)
Yeah.

Kelli (24:35.162)
Yeah. Right.

No, no,

We Wine Whenever (24:40.831)
I don't know what's gonna happen. mean, he was really kind of doing well with DJ Paulie Dee, like they were touring together.

Kelli (24:47.45)
I know, I wonder what's gonna happen with that. Because I don't think Paulie's really a drinker.

We Wine Whenever (24:49.866)
I do too.

We Wine Whenever (24:54.109)
No, no, he's not. No. And he won't put, I don't think he'll put up with it because he didn't put up with it. Right. Right. He wouldn't put up with that. just, I mean, have you seen the blowup about these damn sprinkle cookies? It is.

Kelli (24:59.062)
That's his name.

Kelli (25:09.264)
Yeah, I'm arguing with somebody on Facebook right now and I swore I would stop.

We Wine Whenever (25:14.165)
By the way, my friend at work, Robert, said that you need to buy the sprinkle cookies if you like Melissa that much and you need to support her. I said we are not buying.

Kelli (25:20.412)
I'll buy them.

We Wine Whenever (25:23.23)
Why?

Kelli (25:24.58)
No problem, but if he thinks I should buy them, I'll buy them, Robert.

We Wine Whenever (25:29.44)
Robert Kelly's gonna buy the sprinkle cookies.

Kelli (25:32.068)
Yeah, what do I care? I gotta bring something to Christmas. I'm gonna order them tonight, Robert.

We Wine Whenever (25:40.22)
Okay, Kelly's buying the sprinkle cookies.

Kelli (25:46.094)
I mean, Bethany tried them. Yeah, she thought they were good.

We Wine Whenever (25:46.4)
Did you see, I know, you see Bethany's review? She gave it a good review on everything. Did you see Bethany's review of Harry Hamlin's sauce? Did we talk about this already?

Kelli (25:59.276)
I, we did not talk about it. I did not realize that that's what she was talking about until I started reading the comments, because she thought it was awful, right?

We Wine Whenever (26:01.465)
O-M-G. OMG.

We Wine Whenever (26:09.685)
thought it was awful. And did you watch her do it? So I watched her do it and I knew what she was doing. And she's like, my god, my god, it's horrible. my god, like, don't send it to me. If you don't want me to be honest about your don't send it to me. I have to be honest, like change the formula. I've already scrapped all these bathing suits that weren't right, like you could fix it. And I'm just like, my god. And then I saw a page. It was brutal. Then page six posted something.

Kelli (26:13.296)
Yeah.

Kelli (26:31.877)
is brutal.

We Wine Whenever (26:35.7)
and then Kyle Richards commented like, our family loves this. And then they hate comments against Kyle Richards. you're lying. Your family doesn't eat. Like just all this hate towards Kyle about her sticking up for Lisa Prentiss for Harry Hamlin's sauce.

Kelli (26:47.941)
Verena?

We Wine Whenever (26:53.546)
Just like this is insane.

Kelli (26:54.566)
Well, that is not just like, like Teresa and Melissa, like people go nuts over all of them.

We Wine Whenever (27:00.744)
Yeah, they do. They do.

Kelli (27:03.046)
So you want to hear what I wrote?

We Wine Whenever (27:05.28)
What did you write? You write with people of these stupid sprinkle cookies.

Kelli (27:10.556)
So funny I'm getting people are bashing me so so this this girl well, maybe I shouldn't say her name Okay, well the the group on Facebook is all a LLL dot things dot Bravo three

We Wine Whenever (27:13.472)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (27:22.163)
No, don't say her name.

We Wine Whenever (27:34.153)
Okay.

Kelli (27:35.822)
And the post was, people hate Teresa so much they'll pay $37 for 12 cookies. This is why Bravo won't drop Teresa because she is the main topic.

We Wine Whenever (27:41.117)
Yeah. Right. Yes, I've seen that. I've seen that a lot of places.

Kelli (27:50.054)
Well, it's funny, because somebody just commented and was like, can you stop posting this over and over again? So I didn't realize. So I wrote, seems like only the tree stumps are making this about Teresa. Wow.

We Wine Whenever (27:58.334)
really?

We Wine Whenever (28:08.063)
Ha!

Kelli (28:12.444)
Lots of hate comments on that. But that's who's saying it's about, it's not about Teresa, although she did post, you're welcome.

We Wine Whenever (28:21.854)
Right. Well, Bethany also did, that was the other funny thing she did. She did a TikTok with the sprinkle cookies in her hand with the Teresa line. You know where Teresa said she brought me these sprinkle cookies and I, she did that whole thing on TikTok. It's so funny. It is so funny. It's so funny.

Kelli (28:35.13)
I threw him in the garbage.

I'm gonna have to look for that.

So, and like people were going after Gino Gorga because he wrote, my mom worked hard. Stop.

We Wine Whenever (28:49.481)
you can't go after Geno.

Kelli (28:50.972)
Yeah, and people were saying that, so the headline of the article was, Gino Gorgia or Melissa Gorgia's son disrespects Teresa. But all he wrote was, my mom worked really hard, please stop something, you know. yeah, and I, of course I commented, I gotta say I have to stop. But all I wrote was, I took that as him telling the,

We Wine Whenever (29:07.771)
Right. Probably just please stop.

We Wine Whenever (29:12.895)
Hahaha!

Kelli (29:20.464)
the fans to stop. Like, you know what I mean? And I didn't say anything about Teresa's fans. I just said, that's what he meant. So how is that disrespectful to Teresa? That wasn't disrespectful to his aunt.

We Wine Whenever (29:26.013)
Well that is, I think that's what he meant. I think he was telling

We Wine Whenever (29:32.382)
No, no, it was not. was not. I just think it's so funny that again, we could not have planned this. You and I had this whole, and Lori was in it too the second day, but you and I had this whole conversation last week about, heard Teresa on the podcast with Alala and I was giving you different sides of the story because I heard two different things and I was, you not hating on Teresa. And then like,

Two days later, the damn sprinkle cookies dropped. So then all this comes back up again. And if you look at like, we have people commenting on stuff that we posted in August, like, don't you have anything else to talk about? And I'm like, yeah, we do. This was in August.

Kelli (30:16.026)
was August. Wait, my favorite is, and I won't call her out by name, but it's somebody who comments on our posts all the time. And she always writes the same thing. We don't know who you're talking about. How are we supposed to know who you're talking about? Tell us who you're talking about. By the way, we put descriptions on every post. Our clips are a minute long. We put descriptions up top. If you don't read the descriptions, that's not on us.

We Wine Whenever (30:28.702)
You

We Wine Whenever (30:37.756)
Yeah. Right. Right. And they're clips, they're just clips. If you want to know what we're talking about, go to the full podcast.

Kelli (30:48.902)
They're just clips. Yeah, the whole video is on YouTube and the whole podcast is on Apple Podcasts. So I just keep commenting. I just keep replying to her. Thank you for listening. Thank you for listening. Thank you for listening.

We Wine Whenever (30:56.859)
Yes. And the whole, they're all on YouTube too. Yep. You can see whatever you want to I think it's so funny. So, right. Breaking news. Kelly is going to buy the sprinkle cookies tonight.

Kelli (31:12.144)
I'm gonna buy the Crisprigle cookies.

We Wine Whenever (31:14.128)
Okay.

Kelli (31:16.358)
Where do I go? I'm sure I can go to Melissa's Instagram, right?

We Wine Whenever (31:19.549)
Sprinkle Cookies by MG. I don't know. Yes, I'm sure you can get them. A link in her Instagram. Okay, are we gonna review them live?

Kelli (31:26.255)
Alright.

Yeah, we'll do it. We'll do it. I won't bring it. I'm only kidding about Christmas. I already have my dessert for Christmas. We'll have it. We'll have it the night of the charcuterie board. We really got to plan our charcuterie night.

We Wine Whenever (31:38.404)
We really do. We're gonna be stuffed. Maybe we'll do that one night and we'll do the podcast another night. So we'll get content for two nights.

Kelli (31:40.506)
We sure are.

Kelli (31:48.57)
Yeah. Yeah, because the shows are on hiatus for two weeks. So after this week, we're going to be looking for something to do.

We Wine Whenever (31:53.564)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (31:57.221)
Yes, well, we're going to be doing the John Benet Ramsey. We're going to do a deep dive into that and we're going be doing some other different true crime pop topics, history stuff. I don't know, I'm just making up words now.

Kelli (32:01.06)
Mm, for sure.

Kelli (32:10.383)
Yeah.

So Eric and I were gonna watch the JonBenet thing the other night, but I think it was Friday night and I just, know, you you work. At the end of the week, Friday night, I'm like, really just, I don't wanna have to think about anything. No, I'm sorry, it was Saturday night. Cause we did the podcast Friday, yeah. I just didn't wanna think. So he was like, you know what? I saw a good coming attraction for a movie on Netflix with Jason Bateman and I love Jason Bateman. So it was called Carry On.

We Wine Whenever (32:19.557)
You're tired. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (32:29.437)
Friday we did it, yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (32:42.758)
Have you seen it? It's very suspenseful and Jason Bateman is not a good guy in it. It's very good. It's about two hours. I think Bill would like it too. It's a good one. It's very suspenseful.

We Wine Whenever (32:43.738)
No, but I love Jason Bateman.

We Wine Whenever (32:49.991)
Okay.

We Wine Whenever (32:55.332)
Okay.

We Wine Whenever (32:58.865)
All right, I will check it out. All right. All right, I don't have anything else.

Kelli (33:00.474)
Yeah, that was good.

Kelli (33:05.868)
Me neither. think it's bedtime. Good night.

We Wine Whenever (33:07.182)
Okay, I do too. All right, thank you for watching and listening. Bye.