RHOBH-Kyle vs. Dorit: Grudges & Apologies

RHOBH-Kyle vs. Dorit: Grudges & Apologies

RHOBH Season 14, Episode 4, “Twisted Sisterhood”:

The episode dives into the escalating tensions between Kyle and Dorit, rooted in years of unresolved issues. Their heated dinner confrontation reveals grievances over past slights and the fragility of their friendship amidst personal struggles. The group dynamics shift as others like Erika, Sutton, and Garcelle weigh in on loyalty, communication, and honesty.

Amidst heartfelt apologies and moments of humor—like Kathy's bossy antics on a boat trip—there’s a mix of reconciliation and lingering unease. Sutton attempts to foster unity with a symbolic friendship ritual, but her earnest gesture is met with mockery, exposing deeper rifts. By the episode’s end, the group reflects on trust, transparency, and the complexities of maintaining sisterhood in the face of discord.

Takeaways

• Kyle's treatment of Dorit mirrors her past experiences with Cathy.
• Acknowledgment of one's behavior is a crucial step in resolving conflicts.
• Dorit's anger stems from years of unresolved issues with Kyle.
• The BravoCon incident highlights the complexities of on-screen relationships.
• Kathy Hilton's eccentricity adds humor to the show.
• Friendships can be tested during difficult times, revealing deeper emotions.
• The importance of communication in maintaining friendships is emphasized.
• Social media plays a significant role in shaping public perception of reality TV drama.
• The hosts find entertainment in the quirks of the cast members.
• The conversation reflects on the cyclical nature of conflicts in reality TV. Reality reckoning is a complex issue in the industry.
• Friendship dynamics can be complicated and require support.
• Loneliness is a common fear as we age.
• Dinner conversations often reveal deeper issues.
• Misunderstandings can escalate quickly in group settings.
• Ceremonies can symbolize friendship but may be misunderstood.
• Familiar faces in reality TV can evoke mixed feelings.
• Support for cast members is crucial, especially in tough times.
• Communication is key to resolving conflicts.
• The impact of reality TV on personal lives is significant.

Transcript

We Wine Whenever (00:00.748)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy. We are talking about Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, season 14, episode number four. And this one's called Twisted Sisterhood. Yep. We pick up where we left off with Kyle and Dorit arguing at the table. Dorit says, I'm supposed to have blind loyalty to you, but God forbid I make a misstep, then you punish me for six months.

Kelli (00:03.075)
I'm Kelly.

Kelli (00:28.453)
So as I'm listening to what Dorit is saying to Kyle, I'm thinking, so basically Kyle's treating Dorit the way Cathy treats Kyle, if Kyle falls out of line. Because Kyle has said it in the past. She doesn't talk to me, she cuts me off. So it's just interesting that Kyle does it to Dorit. Like maybe it's just, maybe it's how they were, like how they grew up.

We Wine Whenever (00:40.768)
Right, right, right, right.

We Wine Whenever (00:52.173)
Yeah, it's a pattern. mean, Kyle does say she acknowledges that. She said, I acknowledge that. And listen, that's half the battle, acknowledging that you're doing it. Right? Then Kyle says, if you have these things building up, like you have to tell me, Dorit says, this has not just been recently. This has been over the last couple of years, the way you've always done it. You know, I make a silly comment. Like I say, I have to save Kyle's fashion show.

Kelli (00:57.54)
Yeah.

Kelli (01:01.912)
Absolutely.

We Wine Whenever (01:22.261)
And then they flash back, that was in 2019. I was like, 2019, like you've had that in your, like, did you have to go, like how do you, I have no idea what happened in 2019. I'll be honest with you. She's like, it was a joke, big deal. You didn't speak to me for six months. And Sutton mouthed at the table to Erica, we are going back that far? And Erica,

Kelli (01:25.561)
Yeah, I remember that.

Kelli (01:35.895)
No, me neither. Right.

Kelli (01:48.367)
But Sutton also said she did the same thing to me.

We Wine Whenever (01:51.373)
Yeah, but she didn't mouth that. then Erica mouths back, yeah, years ago. And then Dorit says, you got to be joking me. You can say buca di Beppo, you know, also in 2019. I don't feel like I've been transported to Capri, Italy. And Dorit said, they are, they really are.

Kelli (01:53.541)
Right. That's true.

Kelli (02:12.025)
Right. I mean, they're just snarky comments that they're making. Like, they're on a show. They're getting paid to make snarky comments.

We Wine Whenever (02:19.442)
Right, that's what they are. And she's like, it's not okay for me, you know, to do that. Kyle says, I've been a very good friend for many years. Kyle said, I didn't say it's okay. And it's funny. Kyle said, it's been two years since I lost my best friend and I'm going through a separation. And you could see she's crying. Give me a fucking break. Dorit says to Kyle, I know you were going through a hard time. That's why I've been giving you grace for two years.

Kelli (02:43.387)
You know, I forgot about Kyle's friend committing suicide and that definitely has to be part of everything that's going on with her. I honestly forgot about it until she said it. was like,

We Wine Whenever (02:46.911)
I do too.

We Wine Whenever (02:55.295)
Right. And that's two years ago, not in 2019. Not five years ago.

Kelli (03:00.911)
Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (03:02.975)
So.

Dorit says she has been giving her grace, I mean, I don't know. I guess she just, at this point, she's just set her wits in. She says, you've pushed me too far. You don't get to pick and choose when it's okay and when you want to be friends and when it's okay, when it's convenient, when I'm going to freeze you out and when I'm going to punish her. And that's what she does. Just like you said, just like Cathy would do. She would punish her for six months or however long she wants to.

Kelli (03:14.522)
Yeah.

Kelli (03:28.473)
Yeah.

Kelli (03:32.963)
And it was interesting to me that they said that about her, because I'm like, she always plays the victim when Cathy does it to her, but then she's doing it to other people. Like, we didn't know that.

you she gets so like upset and you know, physically upset. You can tell when Cathy does it to her, but it's like, but you're doing it to other people. So, that was interesting.

We Wine Whenever (03:46.721)
Well, right, right.

Right, now you-

We Wine Whenever (04:01.193)
Yeah. And then she says, well, did you get mad at Erica? She's like, well, I was hurt by what Erica said, referring to the text message being manipulative when she showed it to her. then Doreen says, well, how about what she said on Watch What Happens Live? When Andy asked her about the reunion and she said, well, I hope, you know, you're going to eviscerate everyone like you did with me. She didn't even say Kyle's name. She just said, you know, yeah.

Kelli (04:25.093)
Right. No, she didn't. She didn't.

We Wine Whenever (04:29.083)
And then Erica's like, well, listen, I'm gonna jump in on this one now that you're mentioning me. She says, you know, I was speaking about myself to Andy. Doreen said, if I said something like that, you sure would get mad. then she said, Kyle said, yeah, but she also apologized to me, meaning Erica. And then Jennifer, like in her confessional, she's like, wow, this is like going way back. Like, I just wanna eat my dinner.

Kelli (04:58.906)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (04:58.975)
And you could see like the look on her face, like she has no idea what they're even talking about. And even Bose is like, what is going on? So then Sutton says, I just want to jump in because I've been on the receiving end of Kyle icing me out. And I spoke to her about this, which she did when they met up, she's like, and she's working on it, which is what Kyle said, she's working on it. Sutton then says to Dorit like, I've known you five years and I've never seen you this angry.

Kelli (05:03.247)
Bye.

Yeah, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (05:29.469)
And Dorit's like, yeah, I am angry. I'm really angry. And that's what we were seeing. It was almost like blind rage, but it was so calculated because she had all the specifics from so long ago. It's not like it just, not that I wanna say it was rehearsed because she really was mad. You could see how mad she was. Yes.

Kelli (05:40.357)
Yeah.

Kelli (05:56.027)
Doreen. Yeah. I think she's had plenty of time to think about it because you if you don't talk to a friend for six months and you're not necessarily, you don't necessarily know why you're going to start thinking of all the things you feel they did to you. Right. And, you're going to start like taking inventory of that and

We Wine Whenever (06:11.337)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (06:17.864)
Right. Yeah.

Kelli (06:25.059)
maybe even writing it down. Like maybe she wrote it down. Like it did seem like she was like this and this and this, but you know, once you take inventory, it's fresh in your head.

We Wine Whenever (06:28.145)
Right, right, right, right.

We Wine Whenever (06:36.222)
Yeah, no, that's true. That's true. Then Kyle says, listen, I'm working on it. She's like, I shouldn't have said what I said on Amazon Live. I apologize. These are things that I need to work on. And Dorit apologizes for showing the text message to Erica. At the same time, Erica is whispering to Bo's, always keep your text messages. Don't erase anything. And I only know because they wrote it on the screen because I really couldn't hear her. I was like, ooh, she's giving good advice. That's good.

Kelli (07:00.341)
No, me neither. Me neither. She is giving good advice. Did you see Bo's nails, by the way? Because they were bridge and tunnel. They were all gemmed out. I'm like, And I do not, the last thing Bo's is is bridge and tunnel. So, sorry, Lisa Barlow.

We Wine Whenever (07:06.417)
So then Dor- I did not. They were.

That's so funny.

No, she is not bridging tunnel. She is not. She is not. You did not notice that. That's very interesting.

Kelli (07:26.763)
Yeah, they were all gemmed out.

We Wine Whenever (07:30.814)
We'll have to get a close up of her nails and post it. Not, not Bridge and Tunnel. At Lisa Barlow.

Kelli (07:35.395)
and right not Bridgeton. Nose is nothing like yeah exactly. I think Cathy looks different did she get her nose done or something?

We Wine Whenever (07:48.626)
I don't know. just think that, I don't know if she did or not. mean, she, yeah, I don't know.

Kelli (07:50.651)
I don't care but she looked different to me.

We Wine Whenever (07:56.989)
I mean, every time I see her, I don't want to, because, you know, I think she's entertaining. I think she looks a little bit frumpier every time I see her. She just is looking, and it could be the way that she dresses or this, the stupid hats that she wears.

Kelli (08:07.705)
I think it's the way she dresses. Yeah, it's like Heather on Salt Lake City. Like you do all this work. Show it a little bit. the moon moves. But yeah, Cathy dresses frumpy. And I'm sure her clothes cost a shit ton of money. It's just, it does give off a little frumpy vibe.

We Wine Whenever (08:16.559)
Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right.

Yeah.

yeah.

We Wine Whenever (08:32.925)
Yeah. So then Dory brings up about BravoCon. What happened at BravoCon was a joke. She's like, Kyle said, well, that hurt me. know, it may have been a joke to you, but it hurt me. Dory says, I'm sorry if it hurt you. I thought we were done with it. Then Kyle says, well, that negates, you know, your apology. I didn't think it did.

Kelli (08:51.611)
Again, the thing with Bravo-

The child was laughing. You can't laugh and make light of it and then two days later be upset over it. You can't do that.

We Wine Whenever (09:04.073)
Well, honestly, I think in the moment you have to laugh. You're on live TV. What are you going to do? You've got an audience sitting in front of you.

Kelli (09:14.179)
It's just disingenuous, I guess, disingenuous.

We Wine Whenever (09:15.912)
I don't think, mean, listen, I could see where she would be hurt by it if she was taking it personally. Again.

Kelli (09:23.557)
But she only said Kathy and Kyle left because she spilled the drink on her.

We Wine Whenever (09:26.099)
I thought it was a joke. I know, I agree with you. I mean, I don't personally think it's something that she should have been hurt by. I do think that she was hurt by it, I do. And the fact that she laughed at it, I don't think that that is proof that she wasn't hurt by it. I think that she was in an awkward position. And when you're on stage, the show must go on. Like, you know what I mean? You can't just... So, but then when she's like, well, I apologize if you were hurt by that.

Kelli (09:37.026)
Right. Right.

Kelli (09:47.993)
Right. Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (09:55.598)
not that I apologize for doing it. Well, she didn't apologize for doing it because in her mind it was a joke. And then when Kyle says that you're negating the apology by saying that you're not being genuine, I thought, shit, we're going back around. then when, and then when Garcelle jumps in,

Kelli (10:11.683)
Yeah, we're going, yeah.

Yeah, she did not need to jump in. Garcelle should have stayed the F out of it.

We Wine Whenever (10:19.335)
Yeah, she really should have because that's what made it even worse and Garcelle's like, I agree that Dorit doesn't say she's sorry, she doesn't own anything. And that's not exactly what Kyle was saying.

Kelli (10:32.828)
And it's not true, even her issues with Garcelle. She did apologize.

We Wine Whenever (10:38.458)
She did apologize to Carcel, but it was the same kind of apology that she gave to Kyle. She apologized for hurting her feelings by using the words, for, right, right, which is the exact same apology. And that's why Carcel agreed with it. But again, like this wasn't your time to jump in. Like if you want to have this with her, like they were just about to squash it. And then,

Kelli (10:49.761)
not for her action, not for her actually doing the action.

Kelli (10:57.41)
Right.

Kelli (11:01.655)
Uh-uh. Right.

Kelli (11:07.215)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (11:09.22)
I don't know. that, know, Dorit says, I'm not surprised that you agree with that. And let's be honest, I'm not your favorite person. wouldn't, I would expect you to not agree. And Gaurav says, well, good, then we're on the same page. And then everyone at the table, they're like putting their hands over their face, like, my gosh, like what, what's going on now? You could see it on everyone's face. And then there's dead silence for a minute. And then Dorit's like, I'm going to, I'm going to turn in.

Kelli (11:31.479)
Right, right.

We Wine Whenever (11:37.372)
And I'm like, well, thank God she's gonna turn in. And then Erica says, well, I'm gonna walk out, you know, I'll walk you out. Which I was glad that she wasn't leaving by herself because that would have been worse too. Like she shouldn't be leaving on her own. And Gorsel, after she walks out, Gorsel says like, where do we go from here? And Kyle in her confessional said, I came in here trying to resolve this. And she obviously came in here wanting to fight.

Kelli (11:47.171)
Yeah. Yeah. Right.

We Wine Whenever (12:08.805)
I mean, I do think that Kyle did go in there wanting to resolve it. I think that Kyle is the one who started the fight back up when she said, you're negating it. She could have just let it go. Like she could have just let it go.

Kelli (12:23.887)
Right, exactly. Yeah. And I think that Kyle wants the storyline to be about her. So, okay, you might have gone in to resolve it, but you're still like, you still want it to be about you.

We Wine Whenever (12:42.694)
Right. So the next morning when the ladies are getting up and they're all getting ready, Garcelle and Sutton are talking about the fight and...

Kelli (12:48.783)
you

Kelli (12:53.061)
Kathy was brushing her teeth with an eyeshadow brush. Why?

We Wine Whenever (12:56.679)
Right, right, we find that out from Kyle. Because she forgot her toothbrush.

Kelli (13:00.953)
I mean, you're Kathy Hilton, can't you call, weren't they in a hotel? Can't you call someone and get a, like a toothbrush stat? Like, come on.

We Wine Whenever (13:03.396)
Right. Yes.

We Wine Whenever (13:10.512)
Yes, yes you can. These are the reasons that I like Cathy Hilton to be quite honest with you because she's so damn bizarre. She's that like eccentric, because you don't call crazy and rich together. She's that eccentric wealthy person. It's just, it's just.

Kelli (13:28.119)
It's almost like Grey Gardens, but she's functioning. You know what I mean? It's a little edie. It's a it's a little edie-ish, but she's functioning and she's leaving her house. for the love of Pete, watch Grey Gardens. It's a it's a show. It's

We Wine Whenever (13:38.151)
I never watched, I never watched Greg Ordon's, I'm sorry. I know, I know. I'm a little.

Kelli (13:50.071)
So they actually did a documentary. I could go on and on about this. They actually did a documentary on this mother and daughter, Edie and Edie. They're, yes, is it Jacqueline Kennedy's sister? Cousin? She's related to Jacqueline Kennedy. Onassis.

We Wine Whenever (14:00.122)
Real people.

We Wine Whenever (14:08.069)
Okay.

Kelli (14:10.807)
Anyway, they basically become hermits. They stay in the house and they also become hoarders. so years ago, a film crew went in and did a documentary. This is like a reenactment of the documentary. And Drew Barrymore is in it and she's amazing. And Jessica Lange, Jessica Lange is Big E.D. and Drew Barrymore is Little E.D. I believe so. Yeah, I could be wrong. yeah.

We Wine Whenever (14:26.617)
interesting.

interesting.

We Wine Whenever (14:36.43)
Interesting. It's just a movie? Okay. Okay. Or maybe I can get that in. All right.

Kelli (14:40.803)
Yeah, not even two hours probably. So good. Matthew will watch it with you. think he already has. yeah, so good. But Cathy Hilton's a little edie-ish, but she's not a hermit and she's not a hoarder. She probably is. I don't see her as a hoarder.

We Wine Whenever (14:47.917)
I'm sure he has.

We Wine Whenever (14:59.948)
No, I don't see her as a hoarder either. No. So then Dorit goes into Erica's room and she feels like for the first time she was able to get everything off of her chest. And I do agree with that. Like she did like just put it all out there. yeah, Erica says to her, know, listen, I'm worried about your mental health. And I get it because she's going through a lot. She's, you know, going through a separation. She's let it all out on Kyle and she's been there.

Kelli (15:01.912)
Yeah.

Kelli (15:13.591)
Yeah, yeah, she probably felt great after that.

Kelli (15:28.751)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (15:29.658)
You know, Erica's been there with it all on, you know, all over the media, all over social media, a divorce, a messy divorce. So, you know, she was, she was there. She also said that she felt like she's coming across as very angry. And she also admitted that she came across as angry as well. And she did. And, you know, we've said this pretty much almost every episode, hurt people, hurt people.

Kelli (15:37.659)
All right.

Kelli (15:52.441)
Right.

Kelli (15:59.341)
That's right. That's right. Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (16:00.279)
So this is what you get, right? And then that's when we see Cathy, Jennifer and Kyle, they're all talking. And Jennifer Tilly says, when you and Dorit got into it, oddly, it was kind of enjoying it. Did you see the look on Kyle's face when she said that? I was like, She really is. Right.

Kelli (16:19.033)
Yeah. That originally is like the perfect addition to this show, because she's not taking it too serious. She's a friend of she certainly doesn't need the money. She doesn't need to come back next to next year. Like she's just she's just here for it. comedic relief. It's the perfect it's the perfect fit.

We Wine Whenever (16:31.543)
Right, Yep.

We Wine Whenever (16:38.799)
I agree. Kyle said that, you know, she just wants to have fun today. So the ladies all meet up in the lobby and they're going to be going on this boat trip. They're going in these little carts together to get over there. And Bo says to Garcelle, if she's ever been on a boat with these ladies before. And she says, well, yeah, in Mexico, Erica was trying to figure out her balance of pills and alcohol. And Bo's is like, okay.

Kelli (16:53.241)
Yeah.

Kelli (17:07.621)
Hopefully she got that figured out before this voyage.

We Wine Whenever (17:09.029)
Kyle tells the ladies about Kathy and the toothbrush. It's a 90 foot boat that they get on and as soon as I know, I just need a trip. I'll be honest with you. It doesn't even have to be that far. I'll go down the street. I mean, we can go to Pointe. I go get a room at Pointe Pleasant. I bet you it's cheap.

Kelli (17:20.069)
We need a boat trip. We need a boat trip.

totally agree with you. We need to plan a girl's weekend.

Or, you what we could do? We could go to that spa and long branch on the ocean.

We Wine Whenever (17:39.059)
yeah, let's do that. We should do that. Okay. As soon as Sutton sees Captain Theo, she's like, ooh.

Kelli (17:42.031)
We should do that.

Kelli (17:49.523)
yeah, she was digging him. He was like, he would be somebody I would think like, something would probably think he's, you know, cute.

We Wine Whenever (17:51.178)
Yeah, he was cute.

We Wine Whenever (17:58.956)
Yeah, and he seems a little quirky, which is kind of what she needs. Right?

Kelli (18:02.107)
totally her gig. Yes, yes.

We Wine Whenever (18:06.574)
Then they're on the boat and there's lobsters and Cathy goes over to the chef and is telling him how to cook the lobsters on the grill.

Kelli (18:13.625)
That was hysterical. Cause you know what? Don't you think Bill would do that?

We Wine Whenever (18:18.474)
my, mm-mm. No, Bill would not do that. Because Bill has a very high respect for chefs because he watches all those cooking shows. Yeah.

Kelli (18:20.217)
I think Eric would.

Kelli (18:28.481)
Okay, I mean Eric might not say it but he might think like like why is he doing it that way? He would probably say to me For Kathy is like that person that would be like, yeah

We Wine Whenever (18:36.1)
yeah. No. Right. Right. Telling him how to do it. And then Kyle's like, my gosh, she's so embarrassing. She's very bossy. I thought it was hysterical. Then she's rearranging the flowers. In her confessional, she says she doesn't...

Kelli (18:47.533)
I actually thought it was funny.

We Wine Whenever (18:57.867)
Before you know it, Kathy's gonna be telling the captain how to drive the boat and it's gonna be like Gilligan's Island. I'm gonna be stuck with these ladies for the rest of my life. Can you imagine that? That was hysterical.

Kelli (19:07.835)
You know, Tess just sent me on Instagram the clip of, now I didn't watch the Paris Hilton reality show with her husband, but there's that famous clip that goes around of Kathy in her kitchen freaking out that the Hermes tray in their kitchen because that was a gift to her husband. And Tess sent me that clip and I'm like, yeah, there's just something wrong with her.

We Wine Whenever (19:24.257)
Yeah, yeah.

Right.

We Wine Whenever (19:32.707)
I know, I did watch the show and every quirky thing she did make me laugh because I'm just like, I mean.

Kelli (19:38.619)
I thought the thing with the chef was actually funny.

We Wine Whenever (19:42.947)
I thought it was funny too. That's why I like her. I think she's entertaining. Kyle asked Kathy if Dorit said hi to her and she's like, she did not. So Sutton said, I know, but again, I know, but I think she was asking Kathy because Kathy had nothing to do with it. She didn't say hi to Kathy. Yes, yes, yes. No, no, yeah, no, she didn't say hi to Kathy.

Kelli (19:45.263)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (19:55.875)
Kyle didn't say hi to her either.

Kelli (20:04.386)
wait, Dory didn't say hi to Kathy? I'm sorry. I you might call out. yeah, that's odd.

We Wine Whenever (20:12.727)
So then Sutton said, Dorit and Kyle talked a lot at dinner last night, how you're all feeling about it? I was like, So Dorit said she felt like she got a lot off her chest and she's like, well, do you feel better? She's like, I'm angry. I'm frustrated. I'm hurt. Like I'm a deep place of hurt. Then she says to Kyle, listen, I love you. I don't hate you. And then you saw like a little bit more of a vulnerable side of her and Kyle's a little more receptive. She's like, I appreciate, you know, I appreciate that.

Kelli (20:42.298)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (20:43.101)
And then she starts crying, Kyle, and she's like, listen, okay. Okay, no tears, no tears. She says, listen, we're both going through so much. Like they don't need to be thinking about this. They have other important things going on in their lives. They don't need to be fighting over, and it's true. And then, Jarece, like the irony of all this is like you and I should be like getting closer. And here our husbands are like,

Kelli (20:45.549)
No tears. It was a tamer cry. have that written down. That's okay. That's okay.

Kelli (20:59.631)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (21:09.228)
they're closer than ever, like living their best lives and we're further apart than we've ever been. And it's true. It's absolutely true. So they are both apologizing, they feel that they can put their friendship back together again. So I hope that this is the last of it, but I have a feeling it will not be.

Kelli (21:13.657)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (21:29.685)
I'm wondering because you know, people are saying online that they're, they're very friendly again, Kyle and Dory. I, I haven't seen pictures on social media, but apparently they're posting together. So they are okay right now. So I'm curious if, like you said, is this it or does something else resurface? Like somebody who I was listening to a podcast and they were like, I think it was somebody with Heather.

McDonald, but it wasn't her saying it, but they were like, I really hope that this whole season isn't about Dorit and Kyle not getting along. And I think Heather McDonald was like, well, no, we see them on social media now and they're, you I mean, Dorit, Kathy Hilton just had that big party. I mean, not that she wouldn't invite Dorit, but Dorit was there. Kyle was there, obviously.

We Wine Whenever (22:07.989)
Okay, good.

We Wine Whenever (22:16.67)
I didn't see enough on social media about that party. did want to see everybody was there. I saw the night of the party. Gina started, I don't know if it was Instagram, it was probably Instagram, where she's like, I have two hours. have to, like, she was just like, you know, when you're in that spot where you just don't feel like you're not motivated to blow dry your hair and to get dressed, but you're doing something fabulous and you want to do it, but you're just not motivated. So she was.

Kelli (22:42.146)
Mm-hmm. Story of my life.

We Wine Whenever (22:43.943)
Yeah, so she was giving, she put that post up and I was like, my God, I get so really, and then a little while later she like thanked everyone that she was rallying and she was getting ready to go. And, and she went and I was glad to see that she did go, but I get it. I get it.

Kelli (22:48.48)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (22:54.735)
Yeah.

Kelli (22:59.513)
Yeah. Ugh, I totally get it. I totally get it.

We Wine Whenever (23:04.449)
And that's just to go down the street. can't imagine you got to go all the way from Orange County to Beverly Hills. Like, I don't even know what does that involve. Does that involve a, do they drive or do they fly there? Okay. is that it? It's only an hour and a half?

Kelli (23:09.849)
Right, right.

Kelli (23:16.335)
I'm sure they have a driver. I mean, it's like an hour and a half drive. I don't think you're taking right yet from Orange County to Beverly Hills. Yeah. I mean, from Orange County to LA. So how far is Beverly Hills from like, I know it's on the outskirts, but it's pretty much right there, isn't it? Yeah. That party did look amazing though. Like the whole Southern hospitality cast was there. I'm pretty much, I mean, I saw Grace Lilly, I saw,

We Wine Whenever (23:24.031)
Yeah, that's not that far.

We Wine Whenever (23:33.109)
I guess so. Okay.

We Wine Whenever (23:40.961)
The whole cast, really?

Kelli (23:46.533)
What's the other girl's name?

I mean, Joe Bradley was there and then the, I don't know, why can't I think of my name? I think Leva was there, but the, you know, the DJ, wee wee, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (23:53.235)
Leva, Leva was there.

We Wine Whenever (23:59.057)
I know who you're talking about, Maddie.

Kelli (24:01.955)
Maddie, thank you. Interestingly enough, I didn't see James Kennedy there, but I did see Allie there. And did you see what came out today about James Kennedy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We got now. Okay, so we'll get back to Beverly Hills, but he got arrested for domestic violence. Was it with Allie?

We Wine Whenever (24:11.687)
It actually came out yesterday.

We Wine Whenever (24:22.251)
Yep.

It was at his house, unnamed female. It was a misdemeanor felony. I actually didn't know there was such a thing as a misdemeanor felony. It was a misdemeanor felony and he had to post $10,000 bail. I guess they don't have the same bail reform.

Kelli (24:30.331)
Okay.

Kelli (24:36.368)
Me neither.

Kelli (24:42.403)
me going off the rails because of the VPR reboot.

We Wine Whenever (24:47.849)
And he was drunk. According to Nick Vile from Vilephiles, because he was there, he said that he saw him visibly drunk at the party.

Kelli (24:59.323)
so he was at the party.

We Wine Whenever (25:01.663)
He was at the party. He was at the party.

Kelli (25:05.643)
he was drinking. I'm sorry to hear that because he was doing very well.

We Wine Whenever (25:10.321)
I am too. And I did see Bethany had posted something yesterday about the reality reckoning. And, you know, she's not done with the reality wrecking and all the things that she's been able to accomplish because of it. And then she brought up James Kennedy. And I was like, Whoa, like I really honestly thought, and you know, I like Bethany. I thought that that was not the right time. I get it. He it's been chronic.

that he's been accused of these things, but come on.

Kelli (25:49.039)
What was she saying?

We Wine Whenever (25:50.901)
that basically Lisa Vanderpump is a producer on this show. she didn't, yes. I mean, she didn't exactly say those words, but basically that's what she was saying, you know? you know, she, Kristen Doty accused him of this many years ago. And you know, that was,

Kelli (25:59.67)
and she's brushed it under the rug.

Kelli (26:04.848)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Kelli (26:15.769)
Yes, she did.

We Wine Whenever (26:21.054)
You know, pushed under the rug. Then Raquel made those accusations and Allie's never made those accusations. So.

Kelli (26:25.509)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (26:31.341)
She's never made those accusations, but she also was not, when he was talking about marriage, she was not quick to the jump on that. And I always wondered why. And maybe this is why.

We Wine Whenever (26:38.312)
No, she was not.

We Wine Whenever (26:43.316)
Well, I always wondered, I didn't wonder, I always thought that she jumped into the scene quickly to be on the show. That she saw the opportunity, because Raquel was out of the picture, because they met very shortly after the Raquel and James breakup. And this she thought was her opportunity.

Kelli (26:51.451)
I agree with you there. Yes, I agree with you. Yes.

Kelli (27:00.293)
Yeah.

Kelli (27:05.987)
I agree with that.

We Wine Whenever (27:07.058)
and she plotted her entry into the show. I do feel bad. Listen, I don't like to see, I'm curious to see what Lala has to say about it. Because she's always been, always been, yeah, yeah.

Kelli (27:13.029)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (27:20.697)
Yeah, I know. I know. A champion for him.

Tis not easy and I wish him nothing but the best. I don't obviously support domestic violence, but I do support anyone who has an addiction problem and he clearly does. So I hope he gets help and I hope he sobers up again and moves on in a positive direction.

We Wine Whenever (27:36.251)
No, no.

We Wine Whenever (27:42.824)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (27:47.763)
now i a hundred percent agree with that

Kelli (27:52.687)
Sorry people, we got off on a tangent. Let's bring it back in.

We Wine Whenever (27:52.753)
Okay. Yeah, we did. So let me just see, where did I leave off? Okay. They're both. All right. All right. So Cathy asks Jennifer, to,

Kelli (28:02.945)
to get her lobster out of her shell.

We Wine Whenever (28:05.447)
to get it out of the claw. Like she didn't know how to get the lobster out of the claw.

Kelli (28:09.145)
Listen, you okay. I thought Cathy was pretty entertaining this episode, but these are the things that I'm like, you're an asshole. She does have to get the fucking lobster out of the shell. She just doesn't want to because she's a lazy ass and people do everything for her. mean, come on, get your own. You're eating lobster.

We Wine Whenever (28:14.687)
You

We Wine Whenever (28:24.703)
Well, wait a second. I mean, she's on a boat. Excuse me. She's on a 90 foot yacht. She could have asked the staff to do it. Why does have to ask Jennifer Tilly? The staff would have been more than happy to do it.

Kelli (28:36.475)
Yeah.

Kelli (28:42.713)
Why doesn't she just take a fucking fork and a knife and get the fucking lobster out of the shell herself? Well, she is. These are the scenes where I'm like, she's just nauseating.

We Wine Whenever (28:46.781)
You need the cracker. You need the damn cracker. Were the crackers on the table?

We Wine Whenever (28:55.743)
I'll be honest with you, I've never taken a claw out. That's Bill's job.

Kelli (28:59.967)
I do not order lobster because it is too much work. I have said this throughout my marriage a million times. I don't want it. I don't want to work for my meal. I'll take the scallops. Thank you.

We Wine Whenever (29:11.775)
you

We Wine Whenever (29:15.423)
I you. I don't order it either because I don't even love it that much. I really don't even like it that much. I don't.

Kelli (29:16.335)
Right?

Kelli (29:22.113)
I do like it, but it's too much work. you know, monkfish is a very good knockoff of lobster and you don't have to work. Yeah, monkfish is very good and you do not have to work that hard. When monkfish is on the menu, I get it.

We Wine Whenever (29:30.022)
Is it?

Okay, good to know.

We Wine Whenever (29:38.642)
Good to know.

Okay, so then we see Sutton's been, okay, so Gorsel and Kyle are talking like in the front of the boat and Sutton and Dorit are talking in the back and Sutton's like, listen, know, her son James was about the same age as Dorit's son, Jagger, when she got separated. And she tells her that, listen, she will be there for her. Dorit says she's never felt more alone or lonely and Sutton and Dorit like,

Kelli (29:59.621)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (30:11.302)
are grateful to have each other and Dorit's grateful that Sutton's gonna be there to support her. And meanwhile, in the front of the boat, Garcelle is trying to figure out what's up next for her. Her boys are getting ready to leave and then she starts crying, Garcelle. And when she's talking to Kyle, she's like, Kyle can totally relate to this. Kyle says the idea of being alone as an old person scares her. That I get, I get that. You know, I get that. You know, what does that look like for her, you know?

Kelli (30:15.386)
Yeah.

Kelli (30:33.966)
I totally got it. Totally got it. Yep.

Kelli (30:40.175)
Yeah, mean, even, you know, I mean, I don't know how old Kyle is, but yeah, no, I think about that too. mean, I'm happily married, but God forbid something happens to one of us. It's like, that's very scary. And we're getting to the age where anything could happen.

We Wine Whenever (30:43.869)
She's in her 50s. Yeah.

Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (30:54.757)
Right, right. So then Garcelle asks, you know, how is Moe? And she said that, you know, he came over for Mother's Day and then she tells him that PK reaches out to her and Garcelle is surprised to hear this, which I told you I was surprised too. Right.

Kelli (31:10.337)
As were we. Yeah, exactly. As were most people who heard it.

We Wine Whenever (31:14.577)
Yes, yes. Jennifer then asked Bose, when are we going to meet your man? And she says that they've been dating for eight months. He's kind, successful, generous, and fine as hell. So I'm looking forward to, you know, getting to meet him. She said, since her husband has passed, dating has been tough. She was recently dating a con artist. And then Jennifer admits that she was also.

Kelli (31:27.707)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Me too.

Kelli (31:43.163)
Yeah, she said I would slide him my card under the table so it could look like he was paying. Fuck that, if I'm paying, everybody needs to know I'm paying. That's not true, but come on.

We Wine Whenever (31:49.136)
Yeah!

We Wine Whenever (31:54.141)
I just, I think it's interesting that both of them, like...

Kelli (31:59.587)
Well, listen, I mean people know who Jennifer Tilly is. We're just meeting Bose, but people in the industry know who Bose is. It's like Vicky Gunvalson with Brooks. Like he was in the insurance industry. He knew who she was. Anybody who knows who Bose was, like they know she's got coin. So yeah, you, you know, you become a target.

We Wine Whenever (32:22.981)
That's unfortunate, but I'm glad that they were both able to kind of get out of that on skates, you know.

Kelli (32:24.527)
very unfortunate.

Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (32:33.725)
Then the next morning, no wait.

Kelli (32:39.599)
Wait, did we get to...

We Wine Whenever (32:43.517)
Do I have another page? Hold on.

Kelli (32:44.911)
Yeah, can't. Sutton's speech. Wait, are we at the dinner yet? no, no, we're not off the boat yet. Kathy tells the captain, Kathy tells the captain that was it Kathy that told the captain to carry Sutton off the boat? That was cute.

We Wine Whenever (32:50.669)
Yeah. Wait, I, here we go. Yeah. I got another page.

We Wine Whenever (32:59.461)
Yeah, okay, here we go. Okay, so then Sutton wants to give the captain her phone number and Kathy has Captain Theo carry her off the boat. That's what happens next. That was cute. This is their last night and the ladies are getting ready for dinner. Doreet says that she had a good day and I thought it was interesting that Sutton and Doreet both had glam and Kathy and Kyle did not. Did you notice that?

Kelli (33:10.319)
Yeah, that was actually very cute.

Kelli (33:27.223)
I think Kyle does her own makeup a lot. I think Kyle does that a lot and she does a great job.

We Wine Whenever (33:30.191)
I do too.

We Wine Whenever (33:33.948)
She's probably doing Cathy's makeup also, let's be real. So they all get downstairs for dinner and the table again, I I am in awe of these table settings. It's just gorgeous. The flowers that are on these tables. I mean,

Kelli (33:36.003)
Yeah, that's what I assumed. I don't think Cathy's doing her own makeup. If she's not taking her own lobster out of the shell, I don't think she's doing her own makeup.

Kelli (33:58.509)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (34:03.401)
It's just beautiful. I can't even imagine like how much that one table setting cost to get it to look like that. And it like was even on the beach. It was the same thing like just for like a dinner or lunch at the beach.

Kelli (34:04.677)
Yeah.

Kelli (34:13.232)
Yeah.

Kelli (34:17.145)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (34:21.776)
I don't know why this happened, but Kyle asks Kathy if she sends nude photos to Rick. Where did that come from?

Kelli (34:29.613)
I don't know.

We Wine Whenever (34:30.928)
But then she says, she has them in the vault. then she clarifies it in the vault at the bank. At the bank? What? But I don't remember how that came. wait, honey, let me go to the bank and get our pictures.

Kelli (34:35.106)
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kelli (34:43.867)
He's got a safety deposit box of nudes.

Kelli (34:51.867)
It was so funny. That was really funny.

We Wine Whenever (34:55.228)
It really was. again, I don't remember how it came up or why it came up, but I just remember writing it down like, my God, that's just Cathy.

Kelli (35:03.151)
Yeah.

Kelli (35:06.808)
Yeah.

What about, why did Garcelle care that Teddy that Dorit reposted Teddy's Instagram posts? Like, so Teddy puts up a post about her dad's concert and tags Dorit and Dorit reposts it. Like that's, I'm sure what Teddy wanted her to do by tagging her. Otherwise she wouldn't have tagged her. But like, why was Garcelle, like that, I love Garcelle, but that's like nitpicky.

We Wine Whenever (35:25.904)
Right.

Normal. Right.

Right.

Kelli (35:39.907)
What are you like, why? Why are you even questioning that?

We Wine Whenever (35:42.971)
Because she's going for her. She really is. Yeah. Because she said earlier that she wasn't really friends with Teddy when Kyle was calling her out for not sticking up for Teddy.

Kelli (35:44.643)
It really is!

Kelli (35:53.761)
So listen, Doree said exactly what she said. Like I know a lot of times these housewives, they're like, no, I didn't say that. And then they flashed back and they really did say it. Doree actually remembered exactly what she said. She said we're friends, but we're not that close. Which is probably the truth. Listen, we all have friends. Like you and Doree are my friends. We're very close. I have other friends. I would consider friends. No, no, no, no, no. It's not, it's not happening.

We Wine Whenever (35:58.053)
Yeah.

Right. Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (36:08.036)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (36:15.14)
Right.

Don't name the ones you're not close to. Don't name them. Don't name them. Don't do it.

Kelli (36:23.001)
But we're not like, I'm not like, you know, like calling them with problems or like, you know, confiding in them with things going on in my life. It's just not like that. But I still consider them a friend.

We Wine Whenever (36:28.27)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (36:33.678)
Right, right.

Right. I know she was really making something out of nothing. And then it just got blown up even bigger.

Kelli (36:40.942)
I agree.

Kelli (36:44.954)
Right.

Weird.

We Wine Whenever (36:49.723)
So then Sutton, after that whole thing, and Dorit kind of tries to explain herself, which I think she did fine with, Sutton talks about letting things go ceremony that they did last year in Spain. when she thinks about that, she thinks about trust and honesty as the backbone of a real friendship and a sisterhood and friendships aren't-

Kelli (36:55.995)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (37:14.362)
perfect, they have their ups and downs. And I was like, where is she going with this? Like she's just going on and on. It was almost like a Dorit thing. You know how Dorit just talks and talks and talks. was like, no, Sutton, are you doing there? So then she said, let's all join our palms together in solidarity of friendship. I was like, okay, this is getting a little weird, right? True solid friends always stand the test of time. So they put all their hands in and Sutton's wrapping their hands together with this blue ribbon.

Kelli (37:21.259)
yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (37:44.79)
And Sutton says, in truce, we are now sisters forever. Is that from some movie? Like, where did that come from?

Kelli (37:51.757)
I have no idea. Who is from Top Gun? Isn't that the movie we're on right now with them?

We Wine Whenever (37:54.052)
was just like, it is, but that definitely was not there was no wrapping of ribbons and talk on that'd be more like that'd be more like a sisterhood of the traveling pants. Right? I mean, I don't know. I don't know what that was. I thought that was weird.

Kelli (38:01.199)
I don't think there was no ceremony of solidarity in Top Gun.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, exact.

Yeah. Bose is like, am I secretly marrying somebody right now? That was good.

We Wine Whenever (38:17.722)
You

you

We Wine Whenever (38:25.486)
So it's the last morning and all the ladies are packing up to leave. The ladies are all back on the bus and Sutton says that she didn't sleep very well last night when they mocked her ritual. And Gorsel's like, we didn't really know you were serious. I mean, I thought it was a joke too. I didn't know it was serious.

Kelli (38:44.857)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (38:47.117)
So Sutton said, the point I wanted to make is that we can have disagreements with one another and be truthful with one another. let's talk about being open and honest. Sutton says, there was a moment where you, whispered something to Kyle. And Erica says to Kyle quietly, I don't think that she was referring to Teddy, it was not her friend, they were just not close. Sutton said,

I feel very awkward when someone is talking about someone else behind their back to others and everyone can hear you except that person.

We Wine Whenever (39:24.611)
Sutton says, Erica, you said it quietly. Erica says, yeah, I know, but you were thinking it. And Sutton says, yeah, but I wish you would have just said it louder. Even if I was thinking it, you're saying it, you're whispering it. Everyone can see you except for the person that you're talking about. And then Dorit again, which really was trying to clarify what she said.

Kelli (39:31.418)
Yeah.

Kelli (39:34.779)
Right.

Kelli (39:43.739)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (39:52.525)
because then it was repeated what she was saying about Teddy, but that's not what it was about. And I'm like, my God, like how did this get so convoluted?

Kelli (39:57.999)
Exactly.

Kelli (40:03.033)
And why are we still talking about Teddy?

We Wine Whenever (40:05.61)
Right. Right.

Kelli (40:07.449)
Like come on.

We Wine Whenever (40:10.112)
So Dorit says, just want to clarify this. don't remember exactly what I said. And then she repeats it. you know, Kyle says, listen, it's not about Teddy Sutton's agreeing, but no, not what Sutton was just saying. Not what Sutton was just saying wasn't about Teddy. It wasn't about Teddy. was about don't talk behind people's backs. Like say it in front of others. That's what she had said. It happens to be about Teddy, but the conversation Sutton was trying to have was not about Teddy.

Kelli (40:18.757)
But it was.

Kelli (40:30.798)
Right, right.

We Wine Whenever (40:40.384)
And then she said it was Erica's offhanded comment to Kyle. And she was trying to explain it to her, but she still didn't get it. Like she still didn't get it. And Garcelle in her confessional said like, it's not about Teddy, but Teddy will be thrilled that we're talking about her. I did happen to hear on Teddy's podcast, she gave like a shout out back to Garcelle about what she said. I was like, well.

Kelli (40:56.891)
She did say that. That was so funny.

Kelli (41:06.555)
That's Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (41:09.365)
Yeah, it was funny. And then Dorit and her confessional says, this is what I mean when I say you never know what you're going to get, which Sutton is going to show up because on the boat she wanted to be there for me. And then on the bus, it's a different Sutton and it really wasn't a different Sutton. It's, it's that Dorit wasn't understanding what the conversation was.

Kelli (41:27.387)
I agree, it wasn't a different sign.

Kelli (41:34.425)
Right, right, right. And she has to like, she needed to chill a little bit in that moment. Like, don't pop off right away. Like just relax and like receive what Sutton was saying. Yeah, no, she was not getting it. She wasn't getting it.

We Wine Whenever (41:47.01)
Right.

Right, right. But she just wasn't, she wasn't getting it. Right. And then Gorsel says, the whole point of this is that we should be able to say anything in front of anybody and know that it may not be well received, but at least we're being open and honest. And I agree with that. Like I agree. And then Dorit says, I am being open and honest with this. Sutton, this is a pattern that you yell at me. And I'm just like, no, now it's gonna...

Kelli (42:06.968)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (42:16.345)
Meanwhile, like listen, I'm loving Dorit this season. I love where she's at right now. Like she don't give any Fs and I'm here for it. But she was the one yelling. She was the one yelling the other time between her. Like she's the one, you know. But I like it. I like it.

We Wine Whenever (42:28.588)
I know, I know.

Bye now.

We Wine Whenever (42:37.538)
I know, but then the way it ended, I'm like, no, now her and Sutton are gonna be fighting. And meanwhile, Sutton was just trying to have her back and say, listen, we shouldn't be talking. And she missed it.

Kelli (42:45.904)
Yeah.

Right. Totally missed it. I totally agree with you.

We Wine Whenever (42:52.822)
I wonder if she's gonna watch this back and be like, now I get it. I hope so too. I hope so too.

Kelli (42:56.227)
I hope so. I hope so. Yeah. And why the hell is Camille Grammer on the show next week? I'm, I am so done with Camille Grammer being on this show. I don't want to see her anymore. I can't stand when she's on.

We Wine Whenever (43:05.399)
I don't know.

We Wine Whenever (43:15.947)
Now how do you really feel?

Kelli (43:19.493)
mean, I'm not as passionate about this as I am other issues that you all are well aware of. But I'm not a huge, I just was never a huge Camille fan. So like, why, why do they keep bringing her back?

We Wine Whenever (43:32.535)
I know what, I guess we're gonna have to wait and see, but I do know that.

Kelli (43:34.657)
There's other people I'd like to see back. I would see them to like I would like to see them bring back. Who is the witch?

We Wine Whenever (43:42.215)
Kelli (43:43.896)
Just for like one or two episodes. Now, huh?

Kelli (43:52.034)
Alright.

I thought that might be fun. That was it, right? Listen, I say honestly, in all honesty, Bravo, do something for Brandy. Bring her back on Beverly Hills. Do something for her because you fucked her all up. You encouraged that behavior, you enabled that behavior, you contributed to that behavior.

We Wine Whenever (44:00.887)
I'd rather see Brandy come back.

We Wine Whenever (44:13.589)
Yes, I agree.

Kelli (44:20.409)
You are liable. You are negligent and liable in my eyes. Do something for this poor woman.

We Wine Whenever (44:25.889)
Have you seen her pictures on social media? It's heartbreaking. It is just heartbreaking. She does not deserve this. And I feel like, I don't know, maybe Bethany can help her.

Kelli (44:27.611)
Yeah, it's terrible.

It is.

No, she doesn't. She doesn't.

Kelli (44:40.355)
Maybe, and listen, I know Caroline has that lawsuit, but she's not named in the lawsuit, Brandi, because I think the lawsuit is basically like Bravo's, like it's against Bravo, allowing that behavior.

We Wine Whenever (44:56.246)
Well, listen, it wouldn't make sense to name her in the lawsuit. It wouldn't make sense because if she doesn't have any money, why are you naming her in the lawsuit? And she doesn't have any power, why would you name her in lawsuit?

It's horrible. Yeah. Yeah. I would like to see Brandy back. I would. I would. All right. That's my next suggestion. Let's bring Brandy back. All right. Maybe we'll start a petition. Yes. Yes. Yes. Let's do that.

Kelli (45:11.739)
I agree with you though, bring Brandy back. Do something for this girl.

Me too.

Kelli (45:23.557)
Do it, yeah, yeah. And stop encouraging bad behavior and alcohol abuse with her. How about that? Not that she abuses alcohol. I'm just saying, in that environment, I am sure they are heavily encouraging that woman to drink so she does outlandish and salacious things that they can get on film.

We Wine Whenever (45:35.539)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (45:44.554)
I agree. All right, until next time, thank you for watching. Bye.

Kelli (45:50.299)
Bye.