RHOSLC-Kisses, Conflict, and Caviar

RHOSLC-Kisses, Conflict, and Caviar

In RHOSLC (Season 5, Episode 10: "Kiss Kiss, Bangs Bangs"), Mary hosts a Breakfast at Tiffany’s-themed party to escape her personal struggles, but the event quickly becomes a battleground. Lisa and Heather discuss tensions with Bronwyn over a rocky Palm Desert trip, while Angie reflects on her late mother and protective parenting. Bronwyn arrives first to the brunch and shares how her husband, Todd, critiqued her behavior and urged her to make amends.

Drama erupts at the brunch when Heather openly snubs Bronwyn, reigniting their feud. Britani accuses Angie of exclusion, and Heather questions Todd's lack of a prenup, leading to an awkward apology from Heather to Bronwyn. Meanwhile, Meredith and Angie clash over unresolved issues involving Angie’s husband, Shawn, and Meredith’s accusations, escalating into a heated argument. Mary intervenes, asking Meredith to leave after the conflict spirals out of control.

Takeaways

• The episode opens with a humorous take on Meredith's bangs.
• Mary's house appears different, raising questions about her living situation.
• Bronwyn's relationship with Todd is explored, revealing underlying tensions.
• Angie's family dynamics are highlighted, showcasing her relationship with her father.
• Mary's emotional struggles are evident as she tries to bring people together.
• The lunch gathering reveals tensions, especially between Heather and Bronwyn.
• Fashion choices at the lunch are critiqued, with some characters missing the theme.
• The conversation emphasizes the importance of support in relationships.
• Mary's desire to mend her family's issues is a recurring theme.
• The hosts express their growing fondness for certain characters as the season progresses. Brittany's outburst highlights her need for attention.
• Mary's revelation about DMs adds a shocking twist.
• The plane seat controversy reveals underlying tensions.
• Heather's jealousy stems from her insecurities.
• Meredith struggles with her emotional responses.
• The hosts question the authenticity of certain cast members.
• Brittany's behavior is seen as overly dramatic.
• The importance of respect in personal relationships is emphasized.
• The challenges of single parenting are acknowledged.
• The episode showcases the complexities of reality TV dynamics.

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Transcript

We Wine Whenever (00:00.278)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy. Today we are talking about Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Season 5, Episode Number 10. And this one is called Kiss Kiss Bangs Bangs. I get the bangs bangs, but I don't know that I get the kiss kiss.

Kelli (00:02.879)
I'm Kelly.

Kelli (00:20.543)
I don't either, but the bangs had me rolling. I mean, Meredith. What are doing?

We Wine Whenever (00:23.798)
I mean.

We Wine Whenever (00:28.13)
Yeah.

Kelli (00:29.611)
Bromwins looked great.

We Wine Whenever (00:31.265)
I agree, Bronwyns did look great.

Kelli (00:33.375)
I loved Angie's hair. I just love Angie. I loved Angie's dress more than any of them.

We Wine Whenever (00:39.699)
Yes. You know what was weird to me? So we're just going to jump there because why not? We start at the episode, right? With Mary saying, you know, she's getting ready for her breakfast at Tiffany's and the opening is narrated by somebody and we see, you know, like her staff there, like it seems like a butler and she's setting the table. And then when they arrive at the house, I'm like, this isn't her house. Like this isn't her house. But it was her house. remember how

Kelli (01:06.09)
It wasn't?

We Wine Whenever (01:09.164)
Remember she had like that green carpet in her house and all the bright colors? Like she must have remodeled her house.

Kelli (01:15.307)
She probably did remodel her house, but you're right. You're right. I think she said in one season she was getting rid of that green carpet.

We Wine Whenever (01:23.948)
Yeah, but when Bronwyn went there, because didn't Bronwyn go there and see her blue ki- Right? And her-

Kelli (01:28.907)
Yes, she did. Yeah, so it must have been in between then and now and when they filmed.

We Wine Whenever (01:36.338)
Yeah, because I was, mean, I never, I don't remember seeing the outside of her house and it was very prominent in this one. I was like, this isn't her house. And then even inside, I'm like, this isn't her house. This is all white and elegant and like, this is not her house.

Kelli (01:41.941)
Media.

Kelli (01:52.031)
Listen, it wouldn't be far-fetched for her to do this, not at her house being what's going on with her son. Maybe she did rent another house. Maybe she got like an Airbnb to do this.

We Wine Whenever (02:02.357)
Yeah, maybe she did. just, that was the first thing that I, I like, this isn't adding up. And maybe.

Kelli (02:08.469)
Did they show the kitchen because her kitchen is Tiffany blue. The cabinets are Tiffany blue.

We Wine Whenever (02:12.033)
They did not show her. Yeah, no, they did not show the kitchen and it would have fit in with the theme perfectly.

Kelli (02:16.651)
Hmm.

Kelli (02:20.073)
Yeah, I think you're right. They must have filmed somewhere else. They must not have been at her house.

We Wine Whenever (02:25.142)
That was my first impression.

Kelli (02:27.167)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. I'm with you.

We Wine Whenever (02:29.932)
Don't know maybe I'll look that up and see what we find out and then we see a little bit of Whitney and her son Brooks are outside playing soccer. Didn't even realize her son's name was Brooks. I knew her daughter's name was Bobby, but I did not realize her son's name was Brooks And we see Lisa and Heather go to wasabi to catch up and that is the same wasabi that Kyle goes to

Kelli (02:33.537)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (02:39.841)
Yeah.

Me neither.

Kelli (02:46.206)
Me neither.

Kelli (02:58.571)
thought it was. I thought it was. It had to be. That's what I was thinking while they were there.

We Wine Whenever (02:59.819)
I think it was, right? It's gotta be.

Like how many wasabi's can there be? I thought it was funny that Heather thought she was going to a Japanese restaurant because wasabi is the spicy mustard.

Kelli (03:06.89)
Right.

Kelli (03:16.159)
Yeah, like how did you not know, don't you live in Salt Lake City? It's kind of a famous place, isn't it? If Kyle was going, I'm assuming.

We Wine Whenever (03:19.317)
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. That's what I was thinking too.

Kelli (03:26.269)
Isn't that where Cathy got, Cathy got annoyed because Lisa Rinna asked for Chris Jenner's vodka or tequila.

We Wine Whenever (03:33.728)
No, no, she asked for somebody else's because Kyle or Kathy was promoting Chris Jenner's wasn't she?

Kelli (03:40.647)
I thought Cathy was promoting her own and she asked for Chris Jenner's. I could be wrong. That's what I thought it was.

We Wine Whenever (03:44.96)
Wait, it's not Chris that has one, it's Kylie's. 818 is Kylie's.

Kelli (03:48.907)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (03:51.143)
I don't know, but yes, that is the place where there was a tequila scandal and where they had hats. Like there was a bar and hats all in the same place. I thought that was a little interesting that she had no idea what it was. But when they get there, once again, they're talking about Lisa and what happened with Bronwyn and...

Kelli (03:52.106)
Yeah, who cares.

Kelli (03:58.163)
Yes.

Kelli (04:01.557)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (04:18.57)
What Heather's take on the whole thing is, this whole story is ridiculous and it is so played out. It's so played out.

Kelli (04:26.593)
And I feel like Lisa twisted some things when she repeated it back to Heather. Did you feel like that? Like, I can't think of specifics because I didn't write them down, but I felt like while I was watching it, I was like, that's not exactly what happened.

We Wine Whenever (04:32.78)
No-

We Wine Whenever (04:40.147)
She does twist things, she definitely does. So she's telling, the one thing that she didn't twist, she is telling her about Todd saying that they're gonna have to leave if she didn't make things right. And...

Kelli (04:52.671)
Mm-hmm.

But she didn't say what she did leaning up to that. Like she didn't say that she and Bronwyn got into it.

We Wine Whenever (05:02.441)
Right. She did say that Bronwyn was upset about her calling her on the phone when she was talking to Heather, because that's what the blow up was really about at that point. But she wasn't really specific. Also, before we saw, we saw Angie and her daughter, Electra, and they were, I don't know where they were planting. Was that in her house?

Kelli (05:12.417)
Right. Right.

Kelli (05:24.287)
I thought it was a place like up the road, the, yeah, where you can go through that, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (05:26.421)
Like a garden center? Yeah, okay. And yeah, her daughter was calling her a helicopter mom. And she definitely is a helicopter mom. Listen, when you have one child and that's your whole life, you become a helicopter mom. That's what happens.

Kelli (05:33.909)
Yeah.

Kelli (05:43.679)
Yeah, think and even when you have more than one kid, if one kid requires more attention and you know, it could be the same thing. You know.

We Wine Whenever (05:52.008)
Yeah. Yeah. And then we see Todd and Bronwyn are talking about the trip and Todd said, in the 10 years we've been together, I've never seen you act like that. He said, you ruined a perfectly fine afternoon and the look on Bronwyn's face, like, my gosh, I really disappointed him. Like even in her confessionals, she said that that was like his approval means a lot to her and

Kelli (06:21.749)
I think he should have had her back a little bit more on that one.

We Wine Whenever (06:21.94)
You could see that.

I don't, I mean I agree with you, I think you should have had her back, but I don't think he had any idea what he's stepping into. I think he had no idea.

Kelli (06:31.265)
No, he didn't and I I do agree with him where he said your friends should not bring out the worst in you I 100 % agree with that because I've always told my kids that about a partner like you look for somebody who brings out a better version of yourself I Mean, I don't know if Eric and I are doing that for each other anymore. But at one point we did But I Definitely think that's true with your friends. I mean if your friends are bringing out a bad side of you It's like what you know when you watch your kids be friends with kids you don't

We Wine Whenever (06:42.154)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (07:01.247)
really think are on the right path. It's like, you know, the influence. So I agree with him there, but I do like the look in her eyes. I felt like he could have had her back a little bit more. I don't like it when I tell Eric a story about something and he doesn't take my side.

We Wine Whenever (07:19.197)
Yeah. Well, this wasn't even a story. Like he's just telling her about, yeah, about he wasn't, he didn't approve of her behavior. And he's never seen her like that before. And he pretty much wants her to course correct. Cause she's better than that. And

Kelli (07:22.913)
He was there.

Kelli (07:35.583)
Yeah, and he's not wrong again. I think his delivery is a little fatherly rather than husbandly, but he's not wrong. But this is not How's Wives is not the place for taking the higher road. She's too classy for this show.

We Wine Whenever (07:43.879)
He's not wrong.

We Wine Whenever (07:56.551)
Well, I don't know if I'd go that far.

Kelli (08:00.381)
I don't say that about a lot of housewives.

We Wine Whenever (08:02.086)
No, you really don't. You really don't.

Kelli (08:04.938)
I think she might be.

We Wine Whenever (08:06.574)
Let's back it up a second. Remember when Heather went over to our house, there was dog shit on the floor?

Kelli (08:13.298)
not the best homemaker.

We Wine Whenever (08:15.625)
Okay.

Kelli (08:17.761)
I just think that if this is who she is to her husband then this might not be the right career path for you.

We Wine Whenever (08:30.023)
Yeah, I mean, she obviously doesn't need it, right? She doesn't need it. I did think what he, I think what he said to her when she said, listen, you know, he said like, maybe you shouldn't be around these people. Well, she's like, but we're going to this brunch. I have to go to this brunch with them. And I think what he said next was, you know, maybe it's time for you to cowboy up and change. I thought that was a little harsh because

Kelli (08:32.394)
Right.

Kelli (08:55.19)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (08:56.176)
I thought that was not so much what you needed to hear at that moment.

Kelli (08:59.579)
No, that's not what she needed to hear. She needed like, you know, like you, you know, just go in there, hold your head high and be true to yourself. And, you know, all the things that you say to a friend who's going into a difficult situation. You know, you're, you're a mature, good decision maker and you'll, you'll know what the right thing to do will be.

We Wine Whenever (09:12.188)
Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (09:21.415)
Right. Exactly. Exactly. And the next thing we see is Angie is talking to her dad. He comes over for dinner. I did think it was a little odd. He is so sweet. I thought it was odd that Sean and Elektra were out horseback riding and he came over for dinner. I mean, maybe because Sean didn't want to film and I just, I don't know. I just thought that was a little odd.

Kelli (09:30.832)
Aww, he's so sweet.

Kelli (09:45.865)
I think that Angie wanted this moment with her and her father based on their conversation.

We Wine Whenever (09:49.638)
I think it was beautiful. I mean, I think it was a beautiful moment. think.

Kelli (09:53.321)
And maybe some of the things she was going to say about her own mother she didn't want to to hear.

We Wine Whenever (09:57.691)
Yeah, no, that does make sense. But yeah, no, that makes sense. I think that it was a wonderful conversation. This is the stuff I like to see. I think her father is an amazing man. Seven children, he went to work, came home, made dinner, four daughters on his own, and still...

Kelli (10:00.117)
Yeah.

Kelli (10:07.071)
Yeah, me too.

Kelli (10:20.617)
Yeah. She was only eight when her mom passed.

We Wine Whenever (10:24.282)
Yeah. And you know, the other thing I thought was interesting is she said that, you know, even when, before she had passed years before she had passed, she was self-medicating with alcohol. So I wonder if her passing was from a mental illness, you know,

Kelli (10:44.979)
I mean, I would imagine something.

We Wine Whenever (10:48.803)
something like that, right? And that

Kelli (10:51.211)
Yeah, I mean, you have seven kids. She must have been completely overwhelmed. And he said she only had one brother. She always wanted to have a lot of kids. That's a lot of kids.

We Wine Whenever (11:03.855)
a lot of kids.

Kelli (11:05.525)
So, you know, she was overwhelmed and if you have those tendencies, you're going to overindulge and possibly create a habit, a bad habit.

We Wine Whenever (11:11.165)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (11:16.71)
Yeah, I thought that was very, very sad.

Kelli (11:20.787)
Yeah, but I thought that the conversation with her and her father was beautiful and she was very honest with her feelings about her mother and her father was just only spoke highly of his wife and was very gracious about it.

We Wine Whenever (11:29.265)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (11:36.423)
He really was. He really was. He is a class act.

Kelli (11:37.545)
What a... I mean...

Yeah, he's too classy for the show.

We Wine Whenever (11:43.116)
Yes, now that I can get behind.

Kelli (11:48.481)
Yeah, he's an amazing man. She's very happy to have him as her dad.

We Wine Whenever (11:51.236)
Yeah. Yeah. mean, I can't imagine, you know, putting the necklace on her daughter and her feeling that way. But you know what? That's all she knew. If all she knew was heartache and absence, and that's what you're going to feel.

Kelli (11:59.392)
Yeah.

Kelli (12:09.641)
and it completely explains her being overcompensating as a mom. It completely explains that.

We Wine Whenever (12:15.343)
Yes. Yes, it does. It really does. The more I see Angie, the more I like Angie.

Kelli (12:21.183)
Yeah. me too. I'm here for her. Yes.

We Wine Whenever (12:26.023)
And I'll be honest with you, this season, the more I see Mary, the more I like Mary. I mean, when Mary is the voice of reason... I mean, listen, I'm here for that. I really am.

Kelli (12:32.465)
Absolutely.

Kelli (12:37.054)
It, think that, you know, we both know it takes something to put things in perspective for you. So if she's got things going on with her son, she realizes like, this is all bullshit.

We Wine Whenever (12:47.876)
Right. Right.

Kelli (12:49.717)
So let's just try to move past it. Where last season, it wasn't like that with her. She was sitting in the van, not wanting to get out. She just wanted to go to McDonald's.

We Wine Whenever (12:57.456)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (13:02.201)
Right. So then the next scene we see is that Mary is, or Broman is the first one to show up at Mary's house, which we're not really sure if it's her house.

Kelli (13:11.071)
I mean, she had security checking people in. bet you it wasn't her house now that you say that because she had a security guard checking off names like it was a club.

We Wine Whenever (13:20.462)
I know. I think that was just part of the act though, I think. You know?

Kelli (13:23.923)
See, I never watched Breakfast at Tiffany, so I'm wondering if some of these references are to the movie, like we saw with New York and Clueless, and possibly Top Gun with Salt Lake last week. But we don't know. We don't know if those were, yeah, we're not sure. But maybe some of these are, yeah, Breakfast at Tiffany references. No.

We Wine Whenever (13:32.015)
right.

We Wine Whenever (13:35.788)
Right. We're not really sure, right? It could be. I never saw it either, to be quite honest with you. But it was interesting that, you know, literally she was there with the bartender. don't remember what it... Eduardo, I think it was. was there with her and Eduardo were there.

Kelli (13:56.779)
things. Yes. She's like, well, I guess I should get a drink so I know what to do with my hands, which is so true. Like when you're not drinking or me have a cigarette in my hand, like I don't know what to do with my hands.

We Wine Whenever (14:00.614)
you

Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (14:12.487)
So then Meredith is the next one to show up and Bronwyn's telling Meredith about what Todd had said when they got home. And then Mary, you know, finally comes down and says that this party is an escape from her problems that she's having with Robert Jr. That, you know, she wants to bring people together. She wants

She wants to help mend things for them because she really doesn't have any control in what's going on in her own house. So again, it just made me feel for her more because I think that it's sad, it's heartbreaking what she's going through. And I'm glad that she's trying to do something positive to even for herself to make herself feel better. that she's, you

Kelli (14:59.765)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (15:05.242)
that you matter, that what you're doing matters because when you have someone in your life and you're trying to help them and you're giving it everything you've got, but it's not in your hands, it's very defeating. You feel defeated. Yeah, it is scary. So I'm glad that she has at least this outlet for her, you know? And then Heather gets there and she says hi and kisses every, that's what the kisses was.

Kelli (15:12.746)
Right.

Kelli (15:18.241)
scary and it's very scary.

Kelli (15:26.485)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (15:35.236)
She kisses everyone but Bronwyn. She kisses everyone but Bronwyn and Bronwyn obviously notices it and Mary says, you didn't kiss Bronwyn? And she said, yeah, I didn't. Like, do I need to? And she like, like, pretends to blow her a kiss. That was rude.

Kelli (15:35.873)
a Bronwyn. Got it. Okay.

Kelli (15:54.657)
So I think that Heather is very jealous of Bronwyn. I think Heather is very intimidated by Bronwyn. I think it's very Vicky Gunvalson first season hazing. Like Heather thinks like I'm the OJ, which by the way, Heather, nobody can stand you now. So she needs to stop. She needs to sit down. But, and Bronwyn came on and people like her. She's likable. And she has a true friendship with Lisa.

We Wine Whenever (16:06.022)
Mmm.

Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (16:20.419)
Yeah, that's true.

Kelli (16:24.553)
and had it before the show. And that intimidates Heather because clearly all Heather ever wanted was to be Lisa's friend. And now she is and she's gonna hold onto it, you know, with a death grip.

We Wine Whenever (16:37.413)
And that I don't get because I really, I never liked Lisa. I know you always did. Yeah.

Kelli (16:40.937)
Yeah, but it's the whole cool, cool girl thing. Like Heather wants to be in the cool clique. It's so sad that at her age, she still feels that way.

We Wine Whenever (16:46.2)
Well, she's made that perfectly clear.

We Wine Whenever (16:50.723)
Yeah, it is sad. And it's not only at her age, at her age and all that she's done. She's left her husband. She's left the Mormon church. She's, you know, written a best seller. She has the beauty lab. Like she's done this all on her own. Like she doesn't need to be in the cool girl. She, she can be her own cool girl.

Kelli (17:01.025)
Yeah.

Kelli (17:08.863)
Right, right. I don't understand that, but you're absolutely right. She's done enough. She's accomplished. So stop it. Stop the hazing.

We Wine Whenever (17:16.941)
Yes, yes. And then they all sit down and Angie says that she's surprised to see this name card next to her and it's Brittany's. And Mary says that she invited her because she wants her to know that she's not poor. thought that was hysterical.

Kelli (17:34.529)
Classic, classic Mary in my rented house for the day so I can treat you all to lunch.

We Wine Whenever (17:38.125)
And then, right, right, and then Brittany shows up late and is not dressed in the theme.

Kelli (17:47.101)
No, her and Lisa looked ridiculous. I mean, neither one of them understood the assignment. Come on. They didn't even try. Heather, I didn't get Heather's either, but Mary said she looked great. So I'm like, all right, maybe this is part of the movie. I don't know either. But Lisa, and well, Lisa was wearing an outfit that Mary already wore.

We Wine Whenever (17:52.822)
No! They didn't even try!

We Wine Whenever (17:58.959)
Heather's wasn't.

We Wine Whenever (18:03.927)
No.

We Wine Whenever (18:09.479)
my gosh, that was hysterical, like what are the chances?

Kelli (18:11.231)
And then Lisa said she got it off the runway and Mary probably got it from Bergdorf's or wherever she said Nordstrom. Now Bergdorf's. Exactly.

We Wine Whenever (18:16.74)
And what does that even matter? What does that even matter? Yeah. And honestly, it was a good color, but that was not anything that was breakfast to Tiffany's. was not... Yes, I said the color was right, but it wasn't the, you know, that's it. That's it. And then...

Kelli (18:29.981)
No, it was Tiffany Blue.

Right. But that's it. There was no, no. Right.

We Wine Whenever (18:43.62)
Mary cheers to everyone, which I thought was nice. And then Heather says, you know, thank you for including everyone to this lunch because we know that that didn't happen with the Palm Desert events. Now that is not a way to thank someone for inviting you to lunch by shading someone else. Who's attending the lunch? Who you didn't kiss and you kissed everybody else.

Kelli (18:47.648)
Yes.

Kelli (19:03.905)
Who's attending the lunch? Right.

We Wine Whenever (19:12.548)
It's just rude. It's just rude. It's just rude. And then Mary says we should all enjoy Meredith's caviar that she brought for all of us to enjoy. I guess she needed a little, yeah, exactly. She needed a little credit there.

Kelli (19:13.227)
I agree. Yep.

Kelli (19:23.914)
A plug.

Kelli (19:27.813)
Like, we're like, that's right. Meredith sells caviar.

We Wine Whenever (19:30.943)
Right.

And then all of a sudden, Brittany starts going off and she like stands up and is like, what's going on? Like, I was, I really thought I was in like an alternate universe. Like what was she doing?

Kelli (19:49.483)
Well, that didn't happen yet. First, and Bronwyn actually talk and kind of, know, Heather starts this whole, you know, I'm very protective about my friends. Heather's so full of shit, but I think she felt backed in a corner because listen, my money's on Bronwyn. And they actually do get past what they're dealing with.

We Wine Whenever (19:52.65)
Okay.

We Wine Whenever (20:05.1)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (20:09.771)
Yes, yes it is.

We Wine Whenever (20:17.419)
Yes, that's right.

Kelli (20:17.853)
And then Brittany stands up and says, what about me? Like literally says, what about me? Like, what are you doing? You're a grown woman and you're a friend of. Bronwyn and Heather are full-time housewives. They have the floor. Nobody cares about you.

We Wine Whenever (20:25.965)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (20:32.001)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (20:39.745)
Right. Right.

Kelli (20:41.451)
I mean, I don't know how nicely to say that, but...

We Wine Whenever (20:46.421)
It just got weird. And then she's like yelling at Angie, you know, she invited her to her church gathering and she brought her wine and how dare you bring me wine? And Angie's like, well, you're drinking now.

Kelli (20:48.053)
Very weird.

Kelli (20:59.091)
and you're doing, what'd she say? I have it. Brittany, you're doing three guys and you're worried about people from your church knowing you drink. Seriously. I mean, and she looks at Heather and she's like, you of all people should understand this. What? That you're hiding who you really are from your church people? These are the people who give, you know, people with faith a bad name because they are hiding who they really are behind their faith.

We Wine Whenever (21:04.522)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (21:09.622)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (21:22.124)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (21:27.04)
Right. And Heather understood it because she left that life and Whitney, you know, Whitney said, even said to her, like, are you upset that she brought you wine or are you upset she brought you wine in front of your, your church? And she's like, well, no, I'm upset she brought it to me in front of the church people. Right. That's what you're upset about.

Kelli (21:43.157)
There she outed you.

Absolutely.

We Wine Whenever (21:49.127)
That was crazy.

Kelli (21:50.399)
Yeah, she's a she's a train wreck, Brittany. I don't like to say that.

We Wine Whenever (21:54.581)
And what about Mary saying that, don't know about the three guys, but I know that Jared's sliding into my DMs. Who saw that coming?

Kelli (22:03.199)
Whoa! That was a mic drop moment. Holy cow.

We Wine Whenever (22:10.081)
was like, and then we see them. Jared is sliding into Mary's DMs and good thing she don't have time for that.

Kelli (22:18.997)
Holy cow, mean of all of she's a pastor for crying out loud and married to a pastor like what is wrong with you? I Mean I can't even I mean she's obviously a very attractive woman, but she's You know married publicly like you know we all know she's married He is a dirty dog He is an F boy

We Wine Whenever (22:28.469)
That was crazy.

We Wine Whenever (22:45.974)
Yes, that just, yep, that just shows you more and more of who he was and who he is, right? I almost fell over when Mary, I was like, wait, what?

Kelli (22:54.185)
Yep.

Kelli (22:57.767)
I mean of all of them to say it, Mary. Like honestly, what did he, did he think Mary was gonna take that bait? Stop it. Mary would never take that bait.

We Wine Whenever (23:10.978)
gosh. And I think it's so funny because I'm just thinking back to when they were at the party at Angie's house and Brittany shows up with, I think his name was Aaron and Mary's trying to convince Meredith that it's Jared. Like she doesn't even know who Jared is. Three weeks prior, she didn't know who he was. And he slid into her DMs. Right?

Kelli (23:36.385)
Thank

Yeah, she was probably like, who is this really? She probably didn't, yeah, like you said, like didn't even know who it was out of the two and they did look alike.

We Wine Whenever (23:40.513)
that just, just, when I was watching that, was like, Mary, you're like, you are bringing me life in this show.

Kelli (23:56.065)
yeah, that was so good, that was great. And then how about Lisa trying to make it like Angie was just as mad as her about the plane seats. And then they flashback and you, like, she, I mean, she was like, all she said was, I don't even know where Sean's sitting. That's all she said. Not like, I can't believe I'm in coach. She did not have, if she had the same reaction Lisa had or anything close to it, production would have shown it now.

We Wine Whenever (24:06.248)
gosh.

We Wine Whenever (24:14.932)
Right, right.

Right, I don't know where Shawn's sitting.

Kelli (24:25.973)
right now on this episode. Maybe not then, cause they're shady like that, but they would have shown it now.

We Wine Whenever (24:26.783)
Yes, yes.

We Wine Whenever (24:32.769)
was surprised when Braunwyn said that she had bought her a ticket, a return ticket home.

Kelli (24:38.367)
and she said first class.

We Wine Whenever (24:39.563)
First class, which again, that's why they were all getting upset. Like, well, where was my first class ticket? She probably gave it to her glam. Like she probably gave it to her glam.

Kelli (24:44.286)
Yeah, but I mean-

Kelli (24:48.276)
Did they really expect her to buy? What were their four couples?

We Wine Whenever (24:53.577)
Yeah.

Kelli (24:54.293)
Five couples. Because Meredith, Whitney, Lisa, Angie, and Bronwyn were all there. Did they really expect her to pay for 10 first class tickets? Fuck you!

We Wine Whenever (25:06.753)
There's only four seats on the plane. was a little plane.

Kelli (25:10.515)
Yeah, I mean, listen, maybe she should have given them the... there weren't even first class seats.

We Wine Whenever (25:16.705)
There was only four first class seats available. That's all the plane had. It was a small plane.

Kelli (25:22.817)
So it wasn't private, but it wasn't much bigger than a private. Got it.

We Wine Whenever (25:25.427)
Right, it was a small plane. There was only four first class seats available. That's all the plane had. It was a little plane.

Kelli (25:32.821)
But when Heather said...

What'd she say?

We Wine Whenever (25:38.537)
What'd you do with my ticket? Did she, who said that? Who said that?

Kelli (25:40.347)
No, why? If it was only, if it was only a 50 something minute ride, then why did you have to get first class? And she said, cause it's my goddamn credit card. I mean, fuck you.

We Wine Whenever (25:50.197)
That's right.

Right. Right. And even when Heather said to her, you know, what I know about, you know, what I know about Todd is that he doesn't have a prenup. He, what was the second thing?

Kelli (26:09.409)
I know if I wrote it down, but I remember her saying it.

We Wine Whenever (26:10.921)
Wait, I did write it down, but I'm all over with my notes. Okay, the three things I know about, he doesn't have a prenup, he collects Starbucks mugs, and he's rude to people when he's on a trip with them.

Kelli (26:18.496)
yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kelli (26:24.363)
Bullshit.

We Wine Whenever (26:25.374)
Why does he need to have a prenup? Why do you give a shit whether or not

Kelli (26:28.949)
Why do you care? That's why I really think it comes down to her just being jealous of Bronwyn. She's jealous of her. Yeah. Who cares?

We Wine Whenever (26:35.035)
It has to be because it doesn't make any sense. Why would you care if someone has a prenup or not? It has nothing to do with you.

Kelli (26:43.239)
No, and listen, we've they've been married for 10 years like

We Wine Whenever (26:47.571)
They haven't been married for 10 years. That's the other thing I think is odd. She just put on Instagram today or yesterday, they were celebrating their eighth anniversary. So I think it was 10 years ago that they met.

Kelli (27:00.093)
okay. Okay. Even still, who cares?

We Wine Whenever (27:04.625)
Right, right. Again, I mean, the prenup thing just... It's not!

Kelli (27:07.859)
It's not anybody's business.

We Wine Whenever (27:14.599)
It's really not. Yeah.

Kelli (27:14.709)
I'm over, I'm over Heather.

Kelli (27:21.153)
And Brahman's still saying she wants to move forward with Heather at this point. She's still saying it.

We Wine Whenever (27:25.309)
Yeah, no. Yep. And Heather says, you know, she apologizes for coming off so harsh. I don't know what made her decide to apologize at that point, because it didn't even fit in with the scene because she was so hot. And then all of a sudden. OK, I've really come up. Yeah, no, you did come off really harsh, but what changed? Like, was this scene really like three hours long? And all of a sudden they're like, you need to you need to tone it down a little. You know, it didn't fit.

Kelli (27:52.959)
I think she fell back in a corner. I really do. Because Brahman wasn't, she wasn't playing with it.

We Wine Whenever (28:01.031)
Yeah, it could be.

Kelli (28:06.377)
And now Brittany's apologizing to Bronwyn. She's so thirsty, Brittany.

We Wine Whenever (28:11.901)
I don't, yeah, I'm not sure what the heck's going on with her either. Like, why is she even there?

Kelli (28:16.317)
I don't know, but I'm really getting over it. I'm really getting over it. And then with Angie and Meredith. So I didn't realize this. So Meredith says she doesn't want to go backwards with Angie because Angie brings up the whole podcast thing. She doesn't want to go backwards with Angie because she was wrong last season because she was the one spreading rumors about Sean being gay. She must have gotten some backlash from the LG.

We Wine Whenever (28:40.805)
Right, exactly, exactly.

Kelli (28:45.813)
BTQ plus community. I'm gonna make sure I said it right. And they didn't. Meredith must have gotten a lot of backlash.

We Wine Whenever (28:50.003)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (28:56.553)
because Angie said she got support from them.

Kelli (28:58.943)
Yeah. Yep.

We Wine Whenever (29:00.969)
Right. Which validates what Sean was saying on the podcast. Which validates it.

Kelli (29:04.321)
100%. 100%. Absolutely.

We Wine Whenever (29:09.791)
And then the way Meredith got up and stormed out and Mary, well, Mary's yelling at her, know, you know, get out of my house. If she did, she did. Right.

Kelli (29:17.397)
But she said it to both Angie and Meredith, if you can't control yourselves, if you can't stop, you need to leave.

We Wine Whenever (29:24.647)
Right, which is valid. And then she even said to I don't want you to leave. And then Mara was like, but you hurt me.

Kelli (29:26.56)
Right.

Kelli (29:33.663)
Yeah, so now she's hurt by Mary.

We Wine Whenever (29:35.583)
She's hurt because she feels like that now Mary's friends with Angie. And Angie is her arch nemesis. Because she made her her arch nemesis. Angie didn't do anything to her. She came for Angie.

Kelli (29:47.155)
Not at all. And then she storms out in a dramatic fashion because she can't handle it. And I think Angie's one who said it. There she goes. leaves. Meredith leaves all the time when she can't handle it.

We Wine Whenever (29:57.961)
Mm-hmm.

She definitely does. And you know what? I think that...

We've mentioned this. mean, there was one whole episode where we saw her all of three minutes talking about her bad mitzvah. like nobody misses her. I would be surprised if she comes back next year, if they invite her back as a full-time housewife, because I really don't see what she's bringing except for produced, made up drama. That's all she's bringing. I mean, if it was real, that'd be one thing, but nothing she's bringing is real.

Kelli (30:10.977)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (30:21.61)
Yeah.

Kelli (30:34.399)
Now, she's a phony baloney. Yep.

We Wine Whenever (30:36.733)
Right? mean, I didn't see anything real in anything that she's doing.

Kelli (30:41.001)
No, I totally agree with you. She's just a big phony. And I think what Lisa said in that hot mic moment was probably 100 % true. We've talked about this. think she and Seth have some kind of arrangement in their marriage and that's great. Good for you. don't, don't, but show it. Not that it's really anybody's business, but.

We Wine Whenever (30:43.239)
And yeah.

Kelli (31:08.319)
Then don't try to cover up the fact that Lisa said that you slept with half of New York.

We Wine Whenever (31:14.459)
Or don't try and take someone else's marriage down by starting a rumor that her husband is gay. I mean, listen, if you're not gonna be honest and show us what's going on in your life, don't make up shit about someone else's life and try and take down their marriage.

Kelli (31:20.0)
Right.

Kelli (31:29.025)
Exactly. No, it does not. It does not.

We Wine Whenever (31:31.283)
Like that makes no sense.

No, I don't like Meredith. I don't like Lisa. I do like Angie this year. I do like Mary this year. I have no idea what the heck is going on with Brittany. Whitney I'm on the fence with. mean, she's...

Kelli (31:42.71)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (31:51.593)
It's funny, because Whitney really annoyed me this season up until this episode. This episode, I was like, okay, this is a Whitney I can get on board with. Like when she was saying to Heather, you know, although she's got to stop using the word trauma. She was like, you and I share the trauma of our friendships. I'm like, my gosh, enough.

We Wine Whenever (31:59.262)
Yeah.

Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (32:06.525)
I know, but.

We Wine Whenever (32:13.012)
Yeah.

Kelli (32:13.761)
You know.

We Wine Whenever (32:17.917)
I don't know.

Kelli (32:19.285)
Me neither. We should mention that Lori is normally here with us for Salt Lake City, but she is.

We Wine Whenever (32:27.099)
assignment.

Kelli (32:28.369)
on assignment. She is. She is on assignment for her interior decorating biz.

We Wine Whenever (32:36.797)
Yes, she is. Lori, you're missed. You are missed, Lori.

Kelli (32:38.357)
So we'll see her in two weeks. Yes, we miss you, Lori. We're going to do our charcuterie board when you get back.

We Wine Whenever (32:45.619)
Yes, we are. Okay. Anything else?

Kelli (32:48.373)
But yeah, this was a good episode. am liking Salt Lake City. I mean, at least it's not like New York where you're like yawning through the whole thing.

We Wine Whenever (32:57.341)
Yeah, no, I agree with that. I agree.

Kelli (32:59.723)
So just, Britney's a little much.

But I like Brahmin.

We Wine Whenever (33:09.456)
I do too. And a lot of people don't like Bronwyn.

Kelli (33:10.571)
Yeah.

What are they saying about her?

We Wine Whenever (33:16.252)
They really don't like Todd and they think that she is a gold digger.

Kelli (33:23.61)
Really? People really think that?

We Wine Whenever (33:25.744)
Yeah. That's what I've been reading online.

Kelli (33:31.293)
I don't personally I don't see that but I don't know.

We Wine Whenever (33:34.596)
I don't see that either.

Kelli (33:36.533)
I just don't.

Kelli (33:41.569)
She's not giving me Mia vibes, let's put it that way.

We Wine Whenever (33:41.657)
Now what?

No, she's not giving me a vibes.

Kelli (33:46.675)
I think she's a very classy lady and I think that obviously there's obvious reasons he would be attracted to her, not just because she's beautiful, but she's intelligent and you know, she's sophisticated and I could see her, I mean, you know, I could see her being attracted to him. He's a successful businessman. I don't know. I don't, I don't get the gold digger vibes from her at all.

We Wine Whenever (34:11.3)
I don't either. I don't either. I like her too. I mean, I like her, but I know that there's a lot of people out there that don't like her. I keep seeing it I'm like, I don't feel that way.

Kelli (34:22.389)
Listen, any woman who raises their child without a father in their life and does it, and because her daughter seems lovely.

We Wine Whenever (34:30.554)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (34:32.351)
You have to have mad respect for that woman. Because this is fucking hard raising kids with somebody else alongside of you. So doing it by yourself and she didn't even have her parents support it doesn't sound like.

We Wine Whenever (34:40.218)
Yes, yes it is.

We Wine Whenever (34:47.118)
Not in the beginning she did not. Not in the beginning. I mean, I think that they did come around. Right, right.

Kelli (34:48.937)
Right. She certainly didn't have his family.

I mean, you know, I just have mad respect for anybody who does that. Single dad or single mom. It's very difficult. Not only financially, but emotionally and keeping your fucking sanity.

We Wine Whenever (35:09.828)
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Kelli (35:15.137)
Alright.

We Wine Whenever (35:15.174)
Okay, until next time. Thank you for watching and listening. Please give us five star reviews and tell your friends. Bye.

Kelli (35:23.951)
Bye.