RHONY-Picnics, Pranks and Pigeons

 RHONY-Picnics, Pranks and Pigeons

In this episode of RHONY (Season 15, Episode 8), the drama picks up where the dodgeball game left off. The women deal with the fallout from a prank involving Rebecca’s supposed pregnancy, with tensions rising as trust issues surface. Jessel and Brynn meet up to discuss Brynn’s egg freezing journey and her plans for co-parenting with Gideon. Meanwhile, Ubah plans a picnic for the group, while Racquel and Mel hunt for an unusual speakeasy sex shop. Jessel and her mom meet Erin and her mom, and the rumor about Rebecca is discussed. The episode also delves into Jessel and Pavitt’s therapy session, where they address their struggles with communication and a third child. At the picnic, Brynn confides in the group about her complicated plans with Gideon regarding her frozen eggs. The episode wraps up with Erin's manipulation coming to light, leaving the women in a tense standoff.

Takeaways

• The episode title references a recurring pigeon theme.
• The prank involving dodgeball continues to create tension among the women.
• Jessel's approach to co-parenting raises eyebrows.
• Brynn reflects on her past choices regarding birth control.
• IVF is a significant emotional and physical journey for women.
• Party planning is a central theme, showcasing creativity and personal touches.
• The contrast between family-friendly activities and adult entertainment is highlighted.
• Erin's comments about her mother during chemo raise concerns.
• Trust issues emerge as Brynn and Erin's relationship is scrutinized.
• Psy's evolving dynamics with the group show a shift in alliances. She handled it very well.
• The therapist also managed the situation well.
• The 1% of doubt can lead to hope.
• Men may struggle to visualize having more children with young kids.
• Timing is crucial when considering more children.
• The process of getting pregnant can be daunting.
• Co-parenting dynamics are essential for family success.
• Friendship can help resolve conflicts effectively.
• Bravo's future reboots may depend on fan reactions.
• Family support is vital for personal growth.

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Transcript

We Wine Whenever (00:00.908)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy. We're talking about Real Housewives of New York, season 15, episode number eight. And this one's called Birds of a Feather Gossip Together. Guess we're referencing, yep, going back to those pigeons.

Kelli (00:03.492)
I'm Kelly.

Kelli (00:15.989)
Still going with the pigeon theme.

I wonder how many episodes there are total of New York. Cause I guess they said next week is a mid-season trailer or you know, whatever.

We Wine Whenever (00:26.891)
Yeah, I don't know. Probably, you know, were on Salt Lake, we were on episode 10 this week, and last week we got the mid-season trailer, right, at episode nine. So that would be making sense, right?

Kelli (00:28.603)
I guess we're halfway through, which, crossed, man.

Kelli (00:39.907)
Yeah, think. Yeah, I think 20 episodes is plenty. It's just funny because I feel like New Jersey, we get like less than 15 now.

We Wine Whenever (00:50.669)
Well, I mean, this past season's kind of hard to tell, you know, some seasons we get 20 something and then other seasons we get 14. You know, I guess it just depends on how it's going, right?

Kelli (00:54.897)
Yeah.

I know.

Kelli (01:03.737)
Yeah. Yeah, I'm surprised New York is as long as...

We Wine Whenever (01:08.073)
Yeah, well maybe it's gonna pick up, but we do know that it ends early. We do know that a trip ends early and ends the season early too. So we'll have to just wait and see what happens.

Kelli (01:17.371)
that's right.

Kelli (01:21.243)
I wonder if somebody gets physical with somebody else, because why else would they end the season?

We Wine Whenever (01:27.148)
Well, because I don't know, but I don't know that they, don't think so, but who knows? I have to wait and see. So we, we begin where we left off with the dodge ball game and Rebecca and Erin come back in and, and Rebecca comes back and says, you know, her husband doesn't know. So please zip your lips. So she's still playing on with the prank.

Kelli (01:32.343)
We'll see. Yeah.

Kelli (01:50.309)
Yeah, they're still continuing on with it, which is ridiculous.

We Wine Whenever (01:54.185)
It is 100 % ridiculous. then,

Erin asks Brynn if she told him. She's like, well, I mean, didn't exactly tell that. just said she was kind of playing Russian roulette with some dudes, which is horrible. Right.

Kelli (02:12.753)
But that's not even what she said. said the, you know, Sa'ai was like, what consequences? And she said it.

We Wine Whenever (02:15.519)
Right, I know.

We Wine Whenever (02:20.855)
Right.

Yeah.

Kelli (02:25.547)
Like you're lying about something you said 10 minutes ago. While the camera was on you filming the entire thing.

We Wine Whenever (02:29.696)
I know.

We Wine Whenever (02:33.695)
I know. And then all of a sudden they decide to tell everyone that it's a prank and they were trying to decide who the leaky pigeon was. And then in the confessional, Raquel says that, you know, she knew it was a prank because Erin told her it was a prank and that she now doesn't trust Brynn with anything.

And she also thinks that Rebecca's idea of a prank is kind of not funny, right? And then Cy in her kind of confessional thinks that their whole prank and their joke was totally tone deaf with knowing that three of the women are trying to have children.

Kelli (03:18.119)
I wasn't even thinking that, but Sai was 100 % correct.

We Wine Whenever (03:21.876)
Yes, yes. So I just, you know, we said this last week, it just didn't land well and it continues not to land well. The girls are all pissed. Jessel says she only told her mother, like she didn't tell anybody and they're like, you told your mother? And she did tell her.

Kelli (03:29.082)
Nope.

Mm-hmm.

Kelli (03:40.775)
Yeah, but come on. Like, I feel like they're putting a lot on Jessel. She didn't say anything.

We Wine Whenever (03:45.453)
Well, I don't know. I don't think I think that they were just like, my God, you told your mother like, why would you like but the fact that she told her mother, I think it was a good thing because her mother's not going to spread the rumor. Like she just she just confided in somebody who would keep it to themselves. Which is.

Kelli (03:56.487)
Of course not!

Kelli (04:00.399)
Right. But they said, like, don't tell Brynn and Jessel anything. Jessel didn't do anything. She didn't repeat it.

We Wine Whenever (04:07.016)
Yeah, just her mother. And her mother was, had nothing to say about it. Cause she was just like.

Kelli (04:11.193)
Right. And how about when Erin said, she has a secret on everybody there. Who says that? Why would you say that? It was very strange.

We Wine Whenever (04:17.205)
Yeah.

I know that was strange, right? You know who says something like that? Who would say something like that? Tamara, or you know who else would say that? I don't know that Margaret would say it, but people would say it about Margaret.

Kelli (04:27.463)
camera.

Kelli (04:35.303)
people would definitely say about Mark and Mark probably does.

We Wine Whenever (04:38.045)
I know. I don't know that she would actually say it herself though.

Kelli (04:41.167)
Right, and not because people told, like, not because I told her a secret about me, but she, people must flood her inbox and DMs with information about her castmates. She is the bone collector of New Jersey.

We Wine Whenever (04:55.797)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (04:59.178)
No, she definitely is. She definitely is. Then we see Brynn meets up with Jessel at the pier because it's Fleet Week and they think they're going to meet sailors. I actually, when I saw that, I kind of chuckled because when I was in my twenties, we would all hang out in New York on Fleet Week. Like that was a thing. Yeah. And I was like, yeah, I was like, I remember Fleet Week, but they really, guess, weren't in the right place.

Kelli (05:01.862)
Yeah.

Kelli (05:18.821)
Yeah, that was a thing. I never did it, but I knew about it. Yeah.

No, apparently not. They were in the wrong district.

We Wine Whenever (05:29.609)
Yeah. So Brynn asks, you know, where she's at with baby number three and Jessel lets her know that she found this therapist who she thinks is going to help the situation with communication, which we find out a little later. Maybe not. And Jessel is trying to find out, you know, how Brynn is making out on the dating scene. And then she drops this big bomb that Gideon is coming and she

told him that they're going wine tasting, but really she plans on finding out if he would be good at co-parenting because she's borrowing her friend's two-year-old that they're going to be babysitting. Which I thought, wow, that is very manipulative, thought out.

Kelli (06:08.775)
crazy.

Kelli (06:13.115)
manipulative.

I mean, I thought it was funny actually and I thought Gideon was a complete trooper about it but Little little sneaky

We Wine Whenever (06:18.559)
Yeah.

100%. Yeah. I also thought it was interesting what Brynn said, that her biggest regret is all the times that she took Plan B. So all these men that she had been with that were, you know, good looking, wealthy, and she was worried, she's now thinking, maybe I should have just not taken Plan B.

Kelli (06:47.559)
How many times can you take that? mean, she made it sound like she took it a lot. Like that's not a form of birth control. That shouldn't be used as such. And I'm not judging. I'm just saying for your own personal health, that's probably not a good choice. But it is her choice, so have at it. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (06:49.586)
I don't know. I know. I was just surprised.

Right. Right. It's called Plan Day. Right.

We Wine Whenever (07:07.87)
Yeah. Yeah, it is her choice. And she lets us know that she went to London in January and that she got 15 eggs. She had egg retrieval done. And at first she was relieved by that, but then she started thinking about it. Like she doesn't even know if those eggs are viable because there's no way to test them until they become embryos.

Kelli (07:27.813)
Yeah. And I have to be honest with you, I know nothing about this. So I'm learning this as I'm watching. that is, and I'm also watching Jersey Shore and watching Sammy go through it. that's, it's a lot. That's a lot.

We Wine Whenever (07:35.742)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (07:43.624)
Yeah. It's a lot on your body physically. It's a lot on your body emotionally. And then the fact that you're injecting hormones into yourself makes you even more emotional besides the fact of everything you're going through physically. it's just a, it's really, it's a mind fuck. I'll be honest with you. It really is. I mean, I don't know. It's not easy for people and

Kelli (07:47.919)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (08:03.909)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (08:11.082)
I feel for them. You know, I just learned today I was watching Watch What Happens live and Lala was on and I thought, don't, yes with Dorit, I thought that she did IVF. I did not realize that she did IUI. So the difference is she had, did you watch it?

Kelli (08:22.161)
with Dorit, right?

Kelli (08:35.557)
I did, but I don't remember what she said about this, quite honestly.

We Wine Whenever (08:37.322)
Okay, so she did IUI, which is in utero insemination. So there you just get the injections to stimulate your follicles so that you will produce eggs and more eggs than normal. And then you take a pipette and a sperm sample and you inject it in. So is it in utero insemination? And then you just wait and see if you get pregnant. Well, she had purchased 17 vials

of sperm from her sperm donor and she only used one. So she has 16 vials left, which that's a lot. That's a lot. Yeah, or two, maybe another two. Yeah, which good for her. Good for her.

Kelli (09:11.909)
Right, I did hear her say that.

Yeah.

Yeah. She said she's going to have another one, Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.

We Wine Whenever (09:27.943)
So we see Jenna's covering up her black eye that she got from Brynn at dodgeball. I didn't realize she really got a black eye until.

Kelli (09:37.985)
She really did, because she was wearing glasses.

We Wine Whenever (09:40.111)
I know, I know, I know. Then Uba's talking to Wendy on the phone and we find out that Wendy is a party planner and she was stalking her on Instagram and she wants to plan a picnic for the girls. Yes, and the picnic that she planned was beautiful. And I said, yeah, I said to myself when I saw that, okay, Uba's gonna plan something and we know it's not gonna be a prank.

Kelli (09:42.641)
Yeah.

Kelli (09:54.976)
those pictures were beautiful, weren't they? Yeah.

It was. It was.

We Wine Whenever (10:09.574)
and we know it's gonna be tasteful and we know it's gonna be New York themed and what is more New York than Central Park, right? So I was excited. I was excited about that to be honest with you.

Kelli (10:09.862)
Right.

Kelli (10:15.621)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (10:20.303)
Yeah, that was good. That was good.

We Wine Whenever (10:21.961)
Then we see Raquel and Mel are looking for their Speak Easy sex shop and they find it, it's called Lady Confidential with a K. Not really sure why there's a K there but, and they're shopping for their engagement party and they're talking about Raquel's mom not coming and her kids being confused, which we've talked about this now a couple times, you know.

Kelli (10:36.625)
Yeah.

Kelli (10:49.841)
We sure have.

We Wine Whenever (10:50.8)
I don't think we really need to touch on that again, do we? I mean, I think, yeah, I think it's episode eight and we've probably mentioned it at least four times, right?

Kelli (10:53.169)
I don't think we do. I'm all set.

Kelli (10:59.151)
Yeah, your mom is not clearly not comfortable with you being gay and I'm sorry for that. That is terrible.

We Wine Whenever (11:06.342)
Right. But that being said, on the previews, we see that they go to Puerto Rico and she gets to see her mom in Puerto Rico. So maybe that's why we are getting so much buildup. Right? I don't know. I'm just always trying to put it together.

Kelli (11:07.792)
It is.

Kelli (11:14.064)
Yes, we do.

Kelli (11:21.893)
Mmm, that's true. Yes.

Mm-hmm. But their theme for their party is underground ballroom, which is gay men of color started this back in the 80s or something. Okay. I never heard of it before. I was interested in hearing about it.

We Wine Whenever (11:32.582)
Yes.

Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (11:43.697)
Yeah, I guess we'll have to wait and see it, right?

Kelli (11:47.877)
Yes, and did you hear Raquel say that her mom is brainwashed by the conservative religious right in Puerto Rico? Listen, I'm just gonna say this. Well, you know what? I'm not gonna say anything.

We Wine Whenever (11:53.948)
Yes, I did hear that. I did.

We Wine Whenever (12:04.476)
You sure? Okay. Okay. All right. Then we see Jessel and her mom meet up with Erin and her mom and the kids are there and they're like, the kids are playing in this like place place. And then on the other side of town, see Brynn, Raquel, Sy and Uba are at the Museum of Sex. Yes.

Kelli (12:04.708)
I'm not. Yes, I am 100 % positive. I'm not going to say anything.

Kelli (12:27.621)
Yes, they're grabbing dicks in a glory hole and Jessel and Erin are on a play date with their moms. And their children, Yeah, that was a good, what does Lori call it? Juxtaposition. Yeah, I think I used the word right, I may not have.

We Wine Whenever (12:33.08)
Exactly, and their children. I was like, my goodness, really?

We Wine Whenever (12:40.963)
Yes, yes, that was. Yes, you did.

Kelli (12:47.068)
Mm-hmm.

But how about Erin talking about her mom and the chemo treatment the nickname is Red Devil? Why would you give chemo that nickname? That's awful.

We Wine Whenever (12:54.949)
I know.

We Wine Whenever (12:58.553)
Yes, that is awful. It really is.

So when the girl...

Kelli (13:04.241)
but we do find out that Brynn knew.

We Wine Whenever (13:08.059)
Right.

Kelli (13:09.572)
I knew it.

We Wine Whenever (13:10.853)
Yeah, Erin told her and Erin

Kelli (13:13.463)
Yep. Just like last year with the Uber boyfriend in Connecticut, Erin told her.

We Wine Whenever (13:21.135)
Right, right. So now it's actually looking like as much as Brynn is a pot stirrer because she is, it is looking like Erin has memory lapses and doesn't remember what she did. Yes, yes. And I, listen, I don't like it. I don't like it.

Kelli (13:34.575)
A leaky mouth and a bad memory. Yep.

Kelli (13:44.295)
So now I'm sure, I am 99.9 % sure that Erin did say something about Jenna not having money and saying something about the Uber ride, right? Has to be. When you lose credibility, you lose credibility.

We Wine Whenever (13:58.384)
Right.

Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (14:04.753)
Yeah.

Kelli (14:06.161)
Done deal.

We Wine Whenever (14:08.42)
Yeah, I agree. agree. didn't, I was very surprised to see that this whole thing turned out that it was actually Erin that was manipulating this, the whole situation.

Kelli (14:19.203)
I really think Erin thinks she's funny and she's not. And I think she thinks she's being like jovial and you you're not, you're being messy. And you're blaming Brynn for it. I mean, I think Brynn does a good job of it herself.

We Wine Whenever (14:31.866)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (14:36.401)
She does. mean, Brynn is not innocent in this whole thing. Neither is Erin. And that's what Uba is saying. Uba's like, I've been telling you girls this.

Kelli (14:39.503)
Right, but now...

Kelli (14:47.096)
Mm-hmm. And she has.

We Wine Whenever (14:49.902)
And I feel like honestly at this point I can see Uber's done.

Kelli (14:55.846)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (14:56.784)
She's done, you know? I mean, I think her word was fake ass bitches. I think she might be right.

Kelli (14:59.132)
Yeah.

Kelli (15:05.991)
She's definitely right. Not all of them. I think we're seeing a much better side of Psy this season. And it's probably because Psy's not super close with Erin. And she's spending more time with Uba.

We Wine Whenever (15:08.406)
No, but...

We Wine Whenever (15:15.716)
Yeah, that could be. Yes, it could be right, yeah.

Kelli (15:20.962)
and Jenna. She's spending more time with Jenna.

We Wine Whenever (15:24.9)
Yes.

Kelli (15:27.717)
Listen, I like Jessel. I think Jessel can get along with anyone. And I don't like when they try to lump her in with the messiness, because I don't think Jessel's messy. I think she's trustworthy.

We Wine Whenever (15:41.562)
I agree with you. actually, after Jessel and Pavit did their virtual therapy, I really like Jessel even more, to be quite honest with you. That whole therapy session, it was a disaster. mean, you know, Pavit shows up with his snacks and his chips and salsa, and he's like, not really present when the therapist is talking. And you can see Jessel's getting upset.

Kelli (15:54.491)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (16:09.913)
But again, I think she handled it very well.

Kelli (16:13.297)
She did. She did handle it.

We Wine Whenever (16:15.033)
I think she handled it very well. I also really thought the therapist handled it very well too, to be quite honest with you.

Kelli (16:22.809)
Yes I did. I did too.

We Wine Whenever (16:25.542)
I mean, he's the one who brought up that when he had this conversation with Povit one-on-one, Povit said that, you know, 99 % he was sure that he didn't want to have another child, but there was 1 % that maybe he did. as soon as, yeah, because as soon as Jessel heard that, she's like, I didn't know that. Now she's clinging to her 1%. And you know what?

Kelli (16:44.667)
That was big.

Kelli (16:51.783)
She sure is.

We Wine Whenever (16:53.951)
After listening to him, I think she's going to do what she plans on doing. She's going to flip him. She's going to keep working on him because let's be honest, what part of it is his, right? He doesn't want to spend extra money because he'll have to get another hotel room when they go on vacation. I mean, is that a reason not to make your wife happy?

Kelli (17:07.612)
Right.

Kelli (17:17.487)
Right. No.

We Wine Whenever (17:18.017)
It's not. And he says that, you know, I think the 1 % is that, you know, this is really what she wants, but I think she will be able to flip him on that. I do.

Kelli (17:29.679)
Listen, how old are their boys? Their boys are young.

We Wine Whenever (17:33.262)
They're young. I mean, this is their second season. were not even one. Yeah, they weren't even one.

Kelli (17:36.999)
They were babies. Yeah. So, I mean, I think it's hard for a lot of men to visualize having another baby when they still have little toddlers and twins for crying out loud. Like, maybe give it some time. Wait until the boys are a little bit older and things get a little bit easier. Like I remember, mean, Tess was an easy baby anyway.

We Wine Whenever (17:50.166)
Right, right, I do too. Right.

Kelli (18:02.705)
But I remember I only wanted one kid. Like you couldn't tell me any different. I was very content. But we had Christmas here and I guess she was, well, she had to be two because she was.

I don't know, whatever age she was, I can't do the math right now. But I remember that was like my eye opening moment where I was like, you know what? I think I could handle another one. Because she was at a good age. I think you have to like, you know, she's got to give it a minute. And I understand they're spending money because of the house of her eggs, but just give it some time because maybe he'll soften up the easier the boys getting out the

We Wine Whenever (18:37.747)
Yeah.

Kelli (18:47.591)
kids are ever easy, the less dependent the kids are on you.

We Wine Whenever (18:54.008)
Yeah, I do think that's true, but I also think she's nervous about the whole situation because it's not just like you decide, okay, I'm going to get pregnant and you insert the embryos, you know, like there's a chance it couldn't work. then, you know, and you know, like that whole process, it can take a long time and she's not getting any younger and neither is he. So it's one of those things that you just, you get to a point where like, you have to just make the decision and go.

Kelli (19:05.871)
Yeah. Right. That's true. The whole process. It's timely.

Yeah.

Kelli (19:22.457)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (19:23.49)
You know, and I understand that. get that. I get that. Then we see Brynn is on the floor playing with Luca, the two year old, and Gideon gets there. And she's never had a conversation with him at all about having children. And then all of a sudden...

Kelli (19:44.113)
She's dropping this on him.

We Wine Whenever (19:45.38)
On camera!

Kelli (19:48.431)
Now do you think she gave him a little bit of a heads up? I mean he seemed to take it very well.

We Wine Whenever (19:53.603)
I mean, I would hope so because how do you, I mean, unless this is who he is and if this is who he is, then he's the man for the job.

Kelli (19:56.409)
Right.

Kelli (20:03.685)
I was just gonna say she should lock him down because he took that very well.

We Wine Whenever (20:08.066)
He loves her, we saw him talking to her. Everyone says he loves her and she knows he loves her.

Kelli (20:13.125)
Yeah, that's what Jessel was saying at the lunch, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (20:15.628)
Why doesn't she love him? I mean she said she's-

Kelli (20:18.151)
Because it's easy, because it's not, you know, she's like the type of girl who needs like a challenge, you know?

We Wine Whenever (20:25.73)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (20:29.198)
I don't know, I think that-

Kelli (20:29.829)
Which that is overrated, girl. The challenge is overrated.

We Wine Whenever (20:32.684)
Yeah. Especially when you start to get into your thirties. Your, your top, clock is ticking.

Kelli (20:41.231)
And you wanna have a baby, you wanna have a baby with somebody, you're always second guessing? Or having to figure out their mind games? Fuck all that.

We Wine Whenever (20:45.412)
Right, well she...

We Wine Whenever (20:50.084)
I mean, the fact that they both decided that they would be good at co-parenting and, you know, she said straight up that she's more worried about who she can co-parent with than who she can be married to. So, yeah.

Kelli (21:02.821)
Yeah, well, she's got a point because you can get married and it can be a fairy tale, but once you have kids and start parenting them together, it shakes things up, let's put it that way. And you don't know that, you don't know that, like the shit when they're little, you you wanna vaccinate, you don't wanna vaccinate, not that I'm trying to minimize that, but I'm just saying like, these are things, you know, when they get older,

We Wine Whenever (21:16.417)
Yes, yes it does. It really does.

Kelli (21:31.067)
and shit really starts going down.

We Wine Whenever (21:33.463)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (21:35.717)
That gets hard.

We Wine Whenever (21:37.367)
Yes, yes it does. I know. mean, I was surprised. I was very surprised as to how he took it, but I think he's the man for the job. I thought it was funny when he said, know, what percent is you and what percent is me? And she said, well, 90 % is her and 2 % is you. She wants his hair and his accent. He's like, okay. Yeah.

Kelli (21:39.505)
We're in it, people. We're in the trenches.

We're doing the work.

Kelli (21:51.259)
I do too.

Kelli (22:02.809)
Yeah. And his money. All that doesn't, yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (22:08.61)
But the whole living situation, the fact that he splits his time between London and LA and she's in New York may be a bit of a problem.

Kelli (22:15.793)
That's gonna be tough. mean, unless she, well, I mean, I don't know. Yeah, that would be tough.

We Wine Whenever (22:22.477)
but she does have her business is in London now. She said she has people in London, right? Running or working on her RIS. So, right. Maybe it's not so far-fetched.

Kelli (22:27.751)
Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. She has a team there, so.

We Wine Whenever (22:40.29)
I don't know. I would like to see that story play out, to be honest with you. That's the story I want to see.

Kelli (22:43.818)
me too.

Yes, especially for Brynn because you know all we're seeing is messiness so we don't want to see that anymore. We want to see a real story.

We Wine Whenever (22:52.994)
Right, Yes. So, you know, he says that she thinks she would be a good mom and he would love to be a father and they're okay with co-parenting. He asks her what her timeline is and she said, well, 38 and she's thinking, you know, about 20. I don't know what quarter she said. She did mention a quarter in 2025, but.

Kelli (23:18.235)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (23:19.328)
I don't know, that's right around the corner.

Kelli (23:21.669)
Yeah, yeah. So she could be pregnant right now, really.

We Wine Whenever (23:23.702)
But again, well, it's 2024, but she could be, who knows? Maybe she did defrost them or maybe she just got some new ones and left the ones frozen and tried with the new ones, you know? Cause I think that might be better. I don't know. Then we see the picnic's all set up in Central Park and there was this beautiful table setting with

Kelli (23:38.053)
Yeah, right.

We Wine Whenever (23:53.462)
the flowers and the little pigeons at every place setting. She really, it was funny. She really did do a beautiful job.

Kelli (23:58.343)
was so funny.

She did, that was really nice. I wanted to look up that woman's Instagram because those pictures were absolutely gorgeous.

We Wine Whenever (24:08.8)
Yes, they really were. And Uba had told all the girls to wear white. She wanted them all to wear white. And Brynn gets there and she tells Sy that she told her brother that they made up. So Brynn, you know, and he was happy to hear that. I'm actually happy to hear that too, because I don't like, like I said, I don't like to see the fighting. I really don't.

Kelli (24:30.457)
No, and I thought that they really had like a good chemistry. They had like a good friendship, you know, and if inside, you know, we're seeing such a better side of a nicer side of side this year. So. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (24:34.986)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (24:41.375)
Yeah. Brynn says that she's still Brynn and Sy, cause Jen and then shows up and Brynn and Sy are now processing the fact that Aaron set up Brynn.

Kelli (24:53.359)
Yeah, because Sai told Brynn that Rebecca doesn't know that Brynn knew. It's very confusing. It's very confusing. So Rebecca doesn't know that Brynn knew. So Raquel's like, I'm not, you know, she's saying like, I'm not trusting Brynn, like fuck that, but.

We Wine Whenever (24:58.815)
Right. It is very confusing.

We Wine Whenever (25:06.635)
Correct.

We Wine Whenever (25:12.833)
Right. But now Raquel knows that it was Aaron because Aaron also told Raquel and I don't think Rebecca knows that Raquel knew either.

Kelli (25:23.899)
That's what I'm saying, this is so confusing. Ridiculous. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (25:26.534)
Right, it is very confusing, it is. This is why we don't like it, this is what we don't like.

Kelli (25:32.665)
No, it's too much. Just stop with the pranks.

We Wine Whenever (25:37.77)
So then they let Jenna know and this ends with Erin about to walk up. So we're gonna have to wait and see what happens with this next week because this is what we're left with. That's it.

Kelli (25:43.601)
Yeah.

Kelli (25:47.696)
Yeah.

That's it.

Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (25:54.464)
I did see, I wanted to mention, just saw that, I read it, that Reza was on Jeff Lewis Live and he said there is a Shaz of Sunset reboot. Did you know that?

Kelli (26:08.551)
I did read that. So it's what, like a younger generation, but the, some of the OGs will be past appearing.

We Wine Whenever (26:14.45)
It will be Reza, MJ and Gigi. Yeah, Mike's a disaster. And he's also mentioned that some of the other cast members you may have seen on his Instagram. So I didn't go stalk his Instagram, but you know, yeah, exactly. Something to check out. So I thought that was some good Bravo tea.

Kelli (26:18.811)
Yeah, well, we know Mike's not coming.

Kelli (26:31.71)
okay. Me neither, but I will now.

Kelli (26:42.447)
Yeah, and we'll extend our condolences to Matt, his family. I don't remember his last name, but basically it was Karen Huger's friend and assistant. And I didn't realize this, Karen knew obviously she's older than him. She's known him since he was a teenager.

We Wine Whenever (27:02.72)
Yeah, I saw Ashley say that today. think his last name was Boyer or something like that. Boyer, Boyer, yeah.

Kelli (27:06.873)
Yeah, I saw it because Melissa Gorga did a post about it and then other people started posting about it. So condolences to his family.

We Wine Whenever (27:15.089)
A lot of housewives, there's so many pictures with him with housewives, like a lot of people knew him.

Kelli (27:19.181)
I know. Well, Karen was the one who said, you know, he became my manager, my booking agent. Like he knew people, he had connections. So I don't know exactly what happened, but I feel terrible and may extend our condolences.

We Wine Whenever (27:35.485)
Yes, yes we do.

Kelli (27:38.587)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (27:39.721)
Yeah, I don't know what happened. Very sad. I'm trying to think, is there anything else that came out today that we need to mention?

Kelli (27:42.981)
Yeah.

Kelli (27:48.697)
I saw, guess, Jackie Gold, Goldsnyder? Okay, I never pronounced it correctly. She must have been on Teresa's podcast and Teresa asked her, how would you feel next season if you didn't come back? And she basically said, like, the biggest hit to me was when I went from a housewife to a friend. And according to her, she had something to do, you know, she had.

input in that decision as well. I don't know if I believe that, but that's what she says. But she said, you know, it is what it is. I'll be okay, because I already went from a housewife to a friend. So now it's just, it is what it is. And Teresa was basically like, you're right, we have no control over any of it. So we have to just accept whatever comes our way. So it doesn't seem like anybody, know, based on that doesn't seem like anything's been decided.

We Wine Whenever (28:27.303)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (28:43.113)
Well, I even saw today that Andy said still he's not even thinking about New Jersey. When he said New York, he said New York, he likes the New York cast and he still feels solid about the reboot. Although the OGs were great, you know, he he's still good with he said they have a lot to offer that we haven't seen yet for New York.

Kelli (28:48.859)
Yeah.

Kelli (29:05.857)
I don't think they're going to reboot Jersey based on the...

Kelli (29:13.231)
response of the fans to New York's reboot. So I'm thinking Bravo might do whatever they can to bring everybody back, including Teresa and Melissa. I mean, quite honestly, they should. This is what New Jersey should become. How amazing would it be if Bravo could pull off somehow with intense therapy, getting Melissa and Teresa and Joe? Listen, Louie's a fucking problem. You don't let that man on camera.

and you might have a chance.

We Wine Whenever (29:44.677)
No, because even if he's not on camera, if he's still a part of her life.

Kelli (29:48.579)
I agree, but at least if he's not on camera, somebody might be able to get through to her. But how amazing would it be if Bravo could pull that off, getting that family back together? I don't know, I'm just saying, I don't think after the fans' response to the reboot of New York, they're gonna look to reboot Jersey now. I think they learned their lesson. I think that it was a lesson to all of the franchises when they first did it. Like, shit, we better get our shit together. And I think for the most part, everybody did.

but I don't think they're gonna look to reboot anything else now. It's not good, let's face it, it's not good. I mean, Andy's talking shit because, but he always does. Every season he's like, like whoever's on Watch What Happens Live, like before Orange County comes out, like, wait until you see Orange County, it is amazing. And he's like, and I know I say this all the time. You do say it all the time, it's your job. You're like a car salesman.

We Wine Whenever (30:24.679)
No, no it's not, it's not good.

We Wine Whenever (30:43.475)
Right.

Yes, yes he is.

Kelli (30:48.005)
Yeah. So, but I'm now I'm kind of hoping that everybody comes back to Jersey and that they figure out a way to make this work. Cause ultimately that's, and you know how I feel about Teresa. I'm very vocal about it, but I really would like to see them mend their, you know, and reconcile.

We Wine Whenever (31:10.846)
I mean, that would be great, but I don't see it happening, especially because Theresa keeps saying it will never happen.

Kelli (31:19.333)
Yeah, I think you know what though, she's on an island all by herself. She really is. I mean, Joe's got Melissa's family.

We Wine Whenever (31:27.667)
yeah, he definitely does.

Kelli (31:29.361)
She's on an island all by herself. She doesn't even have her cousins. She's got her daughters and this leech.

We Wine Whenever (31:37.18)
Well, I think she has her ex's family though, like they have cousins. I think.

Kelli (31:41.264)
I don't think Joe Jude is I don't think his family's good with Teresa. They blame her for everything.

We Wine Whenever (31:46.723)
I think, no, she's the kids, like the cousins. I think that the girls are close with the other part of the family. Yeah.

Kelli (31:54.509)
I hope so. I hope the girls are close with their cousins. I'm just saying for Teresa, I don't think she has support from Joe Giudice's family. I'd be shocked based on what they've said. Like Joe Gorga and I think Delores said at one reunion, they were like, they hate you already, before she divorced them. She was like worried about his family and they were like, why? They hate you already. They blame you for everything. Which is very sad. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (31:59.559)
But because the-

We Wine Whenever (32:17.807)
which is not, it is, that is sad. It is sad. It is sad. Cause it certainly was not her fault.

Kelli (32:23.951)
I mean, listen, going on a show and trying to appear wealthier than you are, that was her choice. But he kept, he's the one who did illegal things to keep up with it.

We Wine Whenever (32:33.608)
Right, exactly. It's interesting to watch her on House of Villains talk about it, talk about her ex and what she went to jail for and how it happened. She met Richard Hatch, who also went to jail for a lot longer than she did for tax evasion. And yeah, the first winner of Survivor. But to hear her openly talk about it and not...

Kelli (32:53.851)
He was a guy from Survivor, right?

We Wine Whenever (33:01.873)
try to hide it and you know, it's just interesting because it's a side of her we never saw on Housewives.

Kelli (33:07.759)
Yeah, I'm not watching it, but I believe it. think Gideon's right, you know, she can be very honest. But when she's around Melissa and Joe, she's so guarded, she's so defensive, she's so deflective. And I feel like she, you know, she wasn't like that, like in seasons like, before Louis.

We Wine Whenever (33:34.437)
Right. Yeah.

Kelli (33:37.297)
Sorry, I'm him for everything.

We Wine Whenever (33:39.261)
Hahaha!

Kelli (33:42.929)
But now I kind of hope everybody comes back.

We Wine Whenever (33:45.115)
Okay, well we'll have to wait and see. We're not getting any answers yet. We're have to just wait. All right, until next time. Thank you for watching and listening. Check out our social media. We still have a contest going. December 1st is the drawing, so you still have time to enter. Bye.

Kelli (33:47.045)
I know I can't, can't, I'm playing around in my mind all the time.

Kelli (33:53.787)
Fucking brutal.

Kelli (33:57.927)
That's it.

Kelli (34:04.198)
That's right, December 1st, right?

Kelli (34:09.273)
Mm-hmm. Bye.