Who’s Snubbing Who? The Housewives’ Tacky Bash Breakdown

Who’s Snubbing Who? The Housewives’ Tacky Bash Breakdown

The episode is filled with drama as relationships and rivalries among the Housewives unfold. Jenn reveals her engagement to Ryan, who proposed in the Bahamas, and Alexis throws a "tacky bridesmaid" engagement party, where everyone arrives in outlandish outfits. Tensions rise when Katie and Emily confront each other over rumors involving Heather and a perceived slight. Gina opens up about her frustrations with her partner Travis, leading to a conversation about therapy. Meanwhile, Tamra deals with ongoing issues with Shannon, and they continue to clash.

The party itself is a spectacle, with Ryan making waves in a hot pink suit and awkward encounters between past acquaintances and current friends. Near the end, a bombshell is dropped as news surfaces about Ryan being linked to a money-laundering scandal. However, Jenn is left with mixed feelings as Ryan is ultimately cleared, while his friend faces serious charges. The episode ends on an uncertain note, with Jenn contemplating her upcoming wedding amidst the chaos.

Takeaways

Jen got engaged in the Bahamas, and her ring is gorgeous.
Alexis's engagement party seems more about airtime than friendship.
Parenting becomes easier when kids move out.
Heather encourages her son to explore life skills.
Tamara's daughter shows talent in music, supported by her mom.
Gina's name change is now official, marking a new chapter.
The party's tacky dress theme was not fully embraced by the cast.
Emily's humor shines through her banter with Shane.
The conversation shifts to trust issues in sports scandals.
The hosts reflect on the unpredictability of current events. Public figures must navigate accountability carefully.
Childhood influences can shape adult behavior and perceptions.
Conflict resolution requires effective communication skills.
Friendship dynamics play a crucial role in support systems.
Emotional reactions can stem from misunderstandings.
Legal troubles can complicate personal relationships significantly.
Trust issues can arise from past experiences and current situations.
Navigating relationships requires honesty and transparency.
Support from friends is vital during challenging times.
Future implications of current actions can affect personal relationships.

Transcript

We Wine Whenever (00:00.79)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy. We are recapping Real Housewives of Orange County, season 18, episode 17, season finale, titled Unfinished Business. So we start out with Emily, Gina, Jen, and Shannon, and they all go axe throwing together.

Kelli (00:03.401)
I'm Kelly.

We Wine Whenever (00:27.096)
Jen shows up with her engagement ring, so she got engaged after London. Her and Ryan went to the Bahamas and he proposed to her on the beach. Her ring is gorgeous.

Kelli (00:38.23)
just

We Wine Whenever (00:39.918)
The ladies are happy for her. Then we see that Alexis is going to throw an engagement party for her.

Kelli (00:50.112)
think that they were that close, but I guess this was a way for Alexis to be on the show because Really only Tamra was filming with her at this point. I guess right

We Wine Whenever (00:59.795)
Yeah, I mean Heather too. Right, I don't think they were that close. I don't think they were that close. Yeah.

Kelli (01:01.377)
She was like, let me make a friendship so I can get some air time. Still nice though. Well, and it was also a way to get John Jansen on, Shannon's ex on the show.

We Wine Whenever (01:12.055)
That's right. And they're all supposed to be wearing tacky bridesmaids dresses. Alexis comes up with that idea. Alexis goes over to Tamar's house and she brings Clorox wipes when she walks in so that she can clean up all this shit from the London trip, which is just not necessary. It just wasn't necessary.

Kelli (01:34.615)
didn't even get it at first. She's like, to clean up all the shit we're gonna talk about your trip. I didn't really get it at first, but you know.

We Wine Whenever (01:38.728)
Yeah.

It was a lame attempt. So Alexis talks about how she and John were shopping for rings and Tamar is telling her all about the text messages and the private investigator about Ryan that Shannon showed Jen. and Alexis is saying she's doing the same thing she did to John, which is really not the case, but okay. That's what you want to think.

Kelli (01:43.859)
It was a very lame attempt.

Kelli (02:09.119)
Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (02:11.743)
Then we see Jen is talking to her son Dawson and he has admitted that she has done better because she said, I've done a little bit better trying to let the rains go. But I mean, I think it's because he moved out, right? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I wish that was an option for me sometimes.

Kelli (02:28.145)
Yeah, I mean, when they're not under your roof, it's a little bit easier to not hyper focus on things.

Kelli (02:38.388)
my God, you have no idea. I'm counting down the days, the months until June.

We Wine Whenever (02:40.299)
I do actually. I actually do. And he's talking about how he's maybe interested in going into the Marines because he doesn't really like school. He's not really a student. And listen, I mean, I get it that she would be worried for him, but you know what? It is a structure. Right. It is a structure for someone who doesn't have a lot of direction.

Kelli (02:59.223)
Sure, of course. Every parent would feel that way. Unless they're a military family and, are comfortable.

Kelli (03:10.273)
Sure.

We Wine Whenever (03:10.864)
And if they're willing to do it, I say encourage it. You know?

Kelli (03:14.323)
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, that's a brave decision to make. So God bless him for it.

We Wine Whenever (03:18.664)
Yeah, I agree. I agree. And then we see Heather's talking to her son, Nicky, and she knows he didn't want to go to college, but he's, he, he is, I think he still is going to college, to be honest with you. I mean, he was going to, he was going to UCLA. I don't know. I mean, that's where he started and then he got his real estate license and then he sold his first house, but I don't know that he stopped going to college. She never really made that clear.

Kelli (03:29.023)
I didn't realize he didn't go to college or maybe he did and didn't like him coming back.

okay. It's just he doesn't love it.

Kelli (03:48.896)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (03:49.353)
But she is encouraging him, you know, because he's getting life skills and, you know, to figure it out. He's thinking about, you know, going abroad. And, you know, if you have that kind of money, like, listen, I would go abroad too. And he actually, you know, kind of humbly thanks her for, you know, funding his adventures. You know, so it's not like he's taking it, you know, for granted, which I kind of did like, because I feel like

Kelli (04:04.64)
Absolutely,

Kelli (04:13.461)
Yeah, yeah.

Kelli (04:18.591)
Listen, there's one thing you can say about Heather and Terry DeBrow. They're very good parents. They have very responsible, nice kids. They really do. They've raised, you know, I mean, they've raised very good contributing members of society, which is always a goal.

We Wine Whenever (04:23.688)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (04:31.815)
Stay Cir- Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (04:39.28)
I agree. At least that's how it appears. mean, don't know any differently. So we'll assume that that's true, because that's what we see, And then we see, it was like the wrap up with the kids, because then we see Tamara's talking to her daughter, Sophia, and yep, she's playing a song that she wrote, sang, and produced. And Tamara encouraged her.

Kelli (04:43.349)
Well, that's true. That's true. She is all about the show, but yeah.

Yeah, you're right. Yep, you're right.

Kelli (04:59.199)
was very talented.

Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (05:07.225)
encourages her to go after her dreams, which I think is awesome. You know, I think that she should. Yes. Then Katie and Kaylee are talking about her name change and all the paperwork shows up. So it's official that she's now a Gianella. And Travis and Gina are kind of wrapping it up with the dogs.

Kelli (05:10.069)
Yeah. Yeah, she's very talented.

Kelli (05:22.849)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (05:30.741)
I feel like they really truly love each other. Like I really hope they get their situation figured out.

We Wine Whenever (05:36.676)
I do too. I do too.

Kelli (05:38.335)
And you know, I just want to bring this up because I think Gina said it in her confessional in the beginning of the show, like the difference between Tamara and Shannon with that whole her pushing Travis down the stairs was that Shannon did know. And but she knew also that it was a fake story, so she didn't bring it up.

We Wine Whenever (05:58.576)
she knew not to put, not to give it light, right? Right. And she is working on herself and Shannon admitted to it. You know, she admitted it to her, which.

Kelli (06:01.387)
Right, right.

We Wine Whenever (06:09.85)
Tamar is not working on herself and doesn't think what she does is a problem. And then, know, Travis, they're talking about how...

Kelli (06:11.647)
No. Nope. Nope.

We Wine Whenever (06:20.905)
She has been going through this a long time with his ex-wife and how toxic the relationship is. And Travis says that, listen, he's there and he's there supporting her, but he's not happy about it. And she asks, maybe we should go to therapy. And he says, yes, which I think is good. I think that that definitely will help. I definitely think that will help them.

Kelli (06:41.225)
I agree. I agree. think that will definitely help.

We Wine Whenever (06:44.655)
Then we see Vicki goes over to Shannon's house and they're getting ready for the party. And just Vicki cracks me up every time she walks in a room. She really does.

Kelli (06:51.393)
Really

Which really does.

We Wine Whenever (06:56.228)
Emily comes out wearing the white dress that she wore for her wedding and asks Shane if she should wear it for the tacky bridesmaids dress, you know, to the party. And Shane says, well, that's the dress you wore when we got married. And she's like, yeah, I know it's 15 years old. He goes, well, I still have your old bouquet. And he goes and gets it. It was hysterical.

Kelli (07:13.239)
That was so funny. my gosh, that was so funny.

We Wine Whenever (07:18.164)
It was. He's like, it's like, it's kind of like our marriage kind of dried and lost its colors, got no life left in it. I mean, he was totally joking. But I, you know, I like that they have that little banter.

Kelli (07:25.856)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, for sure.

We Wine Whenever (07:31.268)
Then we see next Katie and Matt arrive at the party and Alexis is there.

Kelli (07:38.519)
I felt like Katie understood the assignment. I feel like Heather understood the assignment. Nobody else was wearing a tacky dress. Alexis was definitely not wearing a tacky dress. I mean, I guess Emily thought hers was tacky because it was her wedding dress, which kind of. Nobody else was really wearing a tacky, like 80s, like bridesmaids dress.

We Wine Whenever (07:48.323)
I mean, I'll-

No, she was not.

We Wine Whenever (08:01.388)
Right. I agree. I totally agree. Heather got the assignment and Katie with the blue. Yes. I completely agree with you. Even Shannon didn't get it. And Vicki, no.

Kelli (08:06.815)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (08:13.651)
No, or Vicky. mean, Vicky's was very vintage with early 90s, like 90210, with the frills and the floral. So I guess Vicky kind of, but it wasn't tacky. It was still a nice dress. It was just like a throwback.

We Wine Whenever (08:25.237)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (08:31.308)
Kind of.

Yeah, exactly. Right. And then we see Shanna getting in the car with in the van with Vicki and she's trying not to get her dress wrinkled because it's silk and she's like a board. I mean, the things that this woman does, it just.

Kelli (08:48.311)
That's how the season started, remember? She ended the season how she started it.

We Wine Whenever (08:52.106)
She's just so funny and Vicki's like, it's gonna get wrinkled, who cares? Like you're gonna hurt yourself. She's like, no, it's good for my core.

Kelli (08:55.83)
Right.

Kelli (08:59.876)
Like was she like she was she strengthening her core? She ever abstain the whole time? My god

We Wine Whenever (09:05.217)
I think it's so funny.

Kelli (09:08.543)
Emily was trashed real early on.

We Wine Whenever (09:11.861)
I don't like when she gets like that, especially so early. Her limit is two.

Kelli (09:16.705)
feel like she would be so fucking fun to hang out with.

We Wine Whenever (09:20.297)
saying she wouldn't be fun to hang out with but I mean if you're doing a show and you know you kind of got to keep it together a little bit. I mean listen I still love Emily I would still you know I'm as a matter of fact I'm drinking an espresso martini right now in honor of Emily. Yes this is this is in honor of Emily but I think two should be her limit because they think once she hits three it goes awry.

Kelli (09:24.907)
Yeah. You gotta keep it together. You gotta keep it together.

Kelli (09:37.321)
Emily, good, good for you.

Kelli (09:42.742)
Yeah.

Kelli (09:47.253)
Yeah, she falls in the bushes. She put that picture up today of her bent over and Gina trying to catch her and she wrote my Christmas card this year.

We Wine Whenever (09:49.13)
Yes, she does.

We Wine Whenever (09:56.864)
I'll be honest with you. I think if I had three espresso martinis, I would have been the same way. I mean, fall all the time. But her trying to hoist Gina up over the fence. my God. And you know, Gina wasn't drinking. So Gina was participating Stone Cold Sober, which I kind of love. I mean,

Kelli (10:04.885)
I think you would. think you would. Yep.

Kelli (10:18.975)
I know!

Kelli (10:22.645)
Yeah, I do too. I do too. Did you see the reunion looks? Gina has a very short dress, but let me tell you something. She is fit. Gina is fit. Like next to Jen, I think she has really like, I mean, it's a revenge body that she didn't need to get, but she's got it.

We Wine Whenever (10:26.173)
That's what friends do, right?

We Wine Whenever (10:37.001)
She is fit.

We Wine Whenever (10:49.245)
Yeah, I did not see the reunion looks and if I did, don't remember them to be honest with you.

Kelli (10:53.941)
Yeah, yeah, they're good, they're good. I mean, I have my favorites as always. Heather's boring as hell again. But whatever.

We Wine Whenever (11:01.917)
Well, listen, Heather doesn't like to be a standout. She just likes to be classic and demure. Like that's her thing.

Kelli (11:07.319)
Right, and it is classic what she's wearing. Yeah. And Shannon's very modest also, but I was thinking about it, like, I think she's either nearing 60 or, is she nearing 60? Yeah. No, was her 60th birthday, Yeah. So was very appropriate, I thought, very appropriate.

We Wine Whenever (11:15.912)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (11:22.335)
Shannon? I think, yeah, she just turned 60. Yes, yes.

Right. No, I listen. How old is Heather? She's got to be up there too. Late, late fifties, right?

Kelli (11:34.795)
I would imagine, Yeah.

Kelli (11:39.404)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (11:41.658)
So, what's next? So, then Joe comes in and Alexis said she met Joe 12 years ago.

Kelli (11:51.692)
my god, it was so nice to see Jo. She looks fantastic.

We Wine Whenever (11:53.722)
It, yes, it was nice to see her and she's like, she knows these women better than me. Emily said, so then Heather shows up with the tacky dress and Emily said it was Alexis's idea to do the tacky dress and she didn't even wear one, which is very true. It is very true. But she also said in her confessional, which I thought was great, Emily and her confessional said, listen, I would have thought that if anyone could have pulled off the tacky, it would have been Alexis.

Kelli (12:11.797)
Right. Very true. Very true.

We Wine Whenever (12:24.125)
Love that. So Heather and Emily go inside to get a drink and they walk by Katie and her husband and Alexis and neither one of them say anything. Now this is what I thought was a little weird. So Heather and Emily go inside to get the drink and they are like, that's weird. She just snubbed me. And then outside they're both saying the same thing. They snubbed each other. I'm like, well, you did it to each other. Like you both walked past each other. So you can't be blaming the other one.

Kelli (12:25.047)
Exactly. Yep.

Kelli (12:43.159)
They were both saying the same thing.

Yep. Yep.

No, no, both did the same thing and said the same thing about the situation.

We Wine Whenever (12:56.206)
Yes, yes, which I thought was interesting. Emily says, well, I'll have to talk to her later anyway, meaning Alexis and Katie and Katie about what she said about her boys when she was babysitting.

Alexis says, I didn't expect this to start so soon when they were outside.

Kelli (13:19.95)
yeah.

We Wine Whenever (13:20.73)
Yeah. And then Vicki and Shannon show up and by the time they get there, Emily is already trashed. Vicki says hi to Katie and doesn't say anything to Tamara, which is fine. And no, and I like that Tamara noted it too. I'm glad that she noted it. Tam, Jen's mom and dad are there and then Jen and Ryan show up. I thought, I mean, Ryan in his purple or fuchsia suit.

Kelli (13:31.797)
Yeah, I wouldn't either.

We Wine Whenever (13:49.445)
that he had his Taylor Taylor from Amazon. I was like, that's great. It's great. I thought she looked to Taylor. Yeah. I thought she looked adorable with her, with her little, you know, tacky. She actually got the assignment too.

Kelli (13:51.447)
Yes. Yeah. That's awesome. Buy it on Amazon and then spend $100 to have it tailored. She did.

pink.

She did, she did, but it wasn't, you but it still looked cute. It looked super cute. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (14:10.062)
Yeah, no, it did look cute. It did look cute.

What else? So we also see that Ryan knows Joe because she used to work for him when he worked at Countrywide Home Loans.

Kelli (14:19.317)
Well.

Kelli (14:23.883)
Hmm.

Kelli (14:29.761)
which is where she worked when she was on the show with Slade.

We Wine Whenever (14:33.002)
Right. How interesting is that? Right. And then we see Ryan talking to his friend, Matt Boyer. Matt says to, Ryan says to Matt, did you see Joe? And he's like, yeah, I don't think she recognizes me. And Ryan's like, what do mean? I'm sure. And no, Matt's like, no, she came up to me and said, I don't think Ryan will recognize me. Meaning she didn't even recognize him. Like she said that to Matt. Yeah.

Kelli (14:57.399)
That's funny.

That's funny.

We Wine Whenever (15:03.482)
And I love that we got a sighting of the money launderer, right? Classic.

Kelli (15:10.399)
Yeah, I mean, do you know that people are saying that it this is allegedly people, so don't come for me. But there are people online basically saying that the baseball player was the one doing the gambling and it wasn't his interpreter.

We Wine Whenever (15:17.966)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (15:25.911)
that's all my kids are saying too. They're all, they, everyone's saying that, that the interpreter took the fall for him so that he could keep playing. He's like, first of all, he's freakishly good. Andrew was saying he's aggravated with him the way he structured his deal because he's like, he's that good. So he structured his deal. So he only makes a million dollars a year until his last year. And then he gets 69 million so that they can stack up his team with good players. So he's not the only high paid one.

Kelli (15:31.893)
Right. he's because he would.

Kelli (15:37.697)
Yep.

Kelli (15:43.69)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (15:57.111)
What does that tell you?

Kelli (16:00.661)
Yeah, why would he do that? I'm trying to see the angle though.

We Wine Whenever (16:01.932)
I just told you why. The angle is so you can not have your salary take up the whole budget.

Kelli (16:09.391)
okay. Okay, so they can spend more money on other good players so they can stack the team. Gotta, gotta,

We Wine Whenever (16:11.179)
So he's gonna lump sun on other good, so they could stack the team. And he'll...

Kelli (16:17.599)
Yeah, I mean, so that's interesting. So your kids are saying that too. This is all allegedly people, allegedly. But when I read that, I was like, that never even crossed my mind. However, it does make sense if people are getting immunity.

We Wine Whenever (16:21.759)
Absolutely, absolutely.

We Wine Whenever (16:35.349)
Yes.

Kelli (16:35.979)
Like he's probably blaming this guy so he doesn't get caught because look at what happened to Pete Rose.

We Wine Whenever (16:41.847)
Well, right. And honestly, I'm sure he like had a good attorney and the Dodgers don't want to lose them. Baseball doesn't want to lose this guy. Right. They do not want to lose this guy. And this was well before that. Like he, he's the, he's the guy. So I believe it. I totally believe it.

Kelli (16:50.782)
They just won the World Series!

Kelli (16:56.885)
Right, right.

Kelli (17:03.135)
I'm tending to believe it too. It makes sense though.

We Wine Whenever (17:04.734)
Yeah. Yeah.

No, it does. I mean, listen, it just makes sense. I was talking about this with somebody today about, actually, I was talking about it with my therapist, to be quite honest with you. We were talking about, and I don't know how it came up, how crazy the world is today. And she was saying that, you know, she's always been able to predict, like, you know, who was going to win the election. And right now, for the first time ever, by the time this hits, hopefully we'll know, but we may not even know.

Kelli (17:38.507)
We better know. We better know.

We Wine Whenever (17:38.569)
We may not, this is gonna, this is gonna go out on Wednesday. No, we might not know. Maybe we might not know on Wednesday. I bet you we won't. But anyway, but like, yeah, I know. But this is what goes on in this world. Like the reason we don't know is because one, we can't trust the polls and two, we can't trust the process. We can't trust the system.

Kelli (17:53.131)
Well, okay, I'll shut up.

We Wine Whenever (18:08.069)
And the whole baseball thing is just yet another example of it. Cause that's not the only thing. It happens everywhere, in every facet of life.

Kelli (18:14.355)
I said to Eric last year, the NFL is like the new reality TV. It really is. They're putting, know, well, I mean, the whole Travis Kelce and Taylor Swift thing aside, but, know, who's playing when, you know, who's playing who, it's just, you know, like what players are playing when, what teams are playing other teams when, like, it's all very orchestrated now.

We Wine Whenever (18:20.755)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (18:44.404)
Absolutely it is.

Kelli (18:45.567)
I have no trust in anything or anyone.

We Wine Whenever (18:48.158)
I totally agree. And did you see what happened with Jason Kelsey on Saturday at the Penn State game? one of the Penn State student was taunting him and saying a homophobic slur about his brother. And he grabbed his cell phone. Jason grabbed the guy's cell phone and threw it to the ground and then used the same homophobic slur back to him. Yeah. That's all like all over the place. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (18:52.736)
No.

Kelli (19:11.135)
in yike.

I did not see that. I'm surprised Eric didn't mention it. He's retired now, Jason, right?

We Wine Whenever (19:19.057)
Yes, he's doing, well, he's got his podcast and he's doing, he's announcing.

Kelli (19:23.999)
Right, but he, mean, he's retired from the NFL, I'm sorry. Yikes.

We Wine Whenever (19:25.491)
from, yes, uh-huh.

But listen, that's not a good look. mean, someone's saying something about your brother, get over it. I mean, and they're college students, you know? Like they're dumb to begin with.

Kelli (19:33.196)
Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, like you kind of have to be the bigger person, even though I struggle with that myself. But if you're a public figure, you certainly have to. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (19:45.638)
you would think, you would think. So then what happens? So Ryan's

Kelli (19:50.891)
Well, Emily starts talking to Katie about...

We Wine Whenever (19:57.011)
yeah, hold on. Go ahead. I'm flipping my...

Kelli (19:58.825)
about the babysitting situation. How about when they flashed back to Katie's son?

We Wine Whenever (20:07.914)
my God, yes, exactly, exactly. Yes, six, nine, no, six, he's six. Yeah, Emily's Boys are Nine, yep, I have that written down.

Kelli (20:10.379)
Was Heather mean again for the hundredth time? How old is this kid?

Kelli (20:17.195)
Yeah, Emily's boys are nine. That spoke volumes to me. Listen, I've said it before when this first came out. I don't doubt for a second that Emily has referred to Heather as bossy in front of her kids. But Heather is bossy. I don't think she'd say Heather's a bitch. I don't even think she'd say Heather's mean. Shane and Emily don't strike me as the type of parents who talk like that in front of their kids. So.

We Wine Whenever (20:43.003)
No.

Kelli (20:45.259)
I, when they flashed back to her son talking like that, Katie's son talking like that, I'm like, this really leads you to believe that Katie's daughter prompted that entire conversation and then lied and said it was Emily's kids who did. Right? Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (20:59.664)
Absolutely. 100 %! That's why the producers put it in, because we didn't see that scene until then.

Kelli (21:05.109)
No, we didn't. Right. We did not see that scene until then. And Katie was probably hoping that they weren't going to show it. But jokes on you, Katie, they're going to show everything to, you know, fit their narrative of how they want you portrayed this season.

We Wine Whenever (21:16.9)
Yeah, he said it for the millionth time and Katie just keeps it eating and she says, Lord.

Kelli (21:22.207)
Yep. But Heather again hijacked that whole conversation. Emily couldn't even get her point out.

We Wine Whenever (21:23.737)
I mean.

We Wine Whenever (21:29.4)
It's true. And that's what she does though. That's exactly what she does.

Kelli (21:34.707)
Yeah, she does.

We Wine Whenever (21:38.042)
So Katie says it was like a mother and daughter moment and we were giggling about it. And Heather's like standing there. She's like giggling about me being mean. Katie says, yes. And Heather says, I'm done with this. And Katie said, well, I'm done with you. Always sticking your finger in my face. Heather says, it's because you're boring and you lied. Katie says, no, you lied. You swore on your children's lives. Like that was, you know, I don't know.

Kelli (21:47.808)
Yeah.

Kelli (22:03.211)
I do think that Katie got the best of Heather in that situation.

We Wine Whenever (22:09.122)
Yeah, she did. She did. She did, but...

Kelli (22:10.839)
But I also think that Katie's daughter did prompt that conversation. I think she was at fault.

We Wine Whenever (22:13.968)
And I think so too. And I also think that maybe Katie doesn't even realize that she does it in front of her children because, you know, she just speaks freely, you know.

Kelli (22:22.207)
Right. Right. Of course. Of course.

Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (22:32.036)
Heather says.

Kelli (22:32.075)
But Katie did at least apologize, I think, to Emily. She said, like, I'll have to talk to Kylie and, you So as far as, although it doesn't seem like, like in the, on social media, Emily's a big fan of Katie right now. So I don't know where they stand after the reunion. I really can't wait for this reunion. As soon as I heard Emily call Alexis the lid to John's trash can.

We Wine Whenever (22:36.666)
She did.

Yes, she did. She did.

Kelli (23:00.183)
I was like, let's, let's go.

We Wine Whenever (23:02.48)
That was great. And when I heard Shannon yell about the lawsuit and she won.

Kelli (23:08.497)
Yes. Yes. Yep.

We Wine Whenever (23:09.55)
I mean, that's all we needed to hear. I was like, thank goodness you won. you know, the sad thing is how much did it cost her to win? She should actually have sued for her lawyer's fees.

Kelli (23:15.008)
Yup. Yup.

Kelli (23:25.449)
I totally agree. I totally, totally agree. Yep.

We Wine Whenever (23:26.682)
Hopefully she did, right?

Kelli (23:34.732)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (23:35.991)
So, Katie and Kaylee are in their confessional and Kaylee's saying, why would I make that up? And Katie's like, you wouldn't. Which again, why is Kaylee getting in a confessional? Why is Shannon's ex in a confessional? Why is Kaylee in a confessional?

Kelli (23:51.445)
my god. I totally agree. The daughter, the daughter. Yeah, no, I totally agree.

We Wine Whenever (23:55.233)
These people should not be in confessionals. Yes, yes. Kylie, Kylie, I'm calling her Kaylee, it's Kylie. Yeah, Kylie, she shouldn't have been in a confessional.

Kelli (24:02.529)
But she clearly, like I said before, we've said it before, she clearly wanted to be on this show.

We Wine Whenever (24:11.585)
Yes, definitely, definitely.

We Wine Whenever (24:16.277)
And then we see, Tamar goes over and says to Jen, I'm happy for you. I wish you would have been able to meet up and I would have shown you all the texts. And Jen's like, listen, I'm not really interested in it. You it doesn't even matter. Really, it doesn't matter. And I'm glad she said that.

Kelli (24:33.109)
Me too. I thought Jen handled Tamra so well this season. I think last season it was a little hard for her because she didn't see it coming, but this season it seemed like she was like, okay, like she had her.

We Wine Whenever (24:44.621)
And she was the new girl last season too, so she didn't really have any allies. Like, Tamar was supposed to be her ally.

Kelli (24:52.403)
Right. She went in thinking she was going to be the closest with her.

We Wine Whenever (24:56.191)
Right, right, and then she's taking her out every chance she gets.

Kelli (24:59.767)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (25:01.847)
And then the ladies are all together trying to get a picture and Tamara walks up and says, I can't believe you two are in the same room together. And your paths haven't crossed referring to Alexis and Shannon. Why? Like, why did you have to say that?

Kelli (25:19.041)
That was Emily,

We Wine Whenever (25:20.533)
No, that was Tamara. Tamara said that. Yeah. You know, that was Tamara.

Kelli (25:22.461)
Tamra said it? I'm sorry. wow. I mean, there's obvious reasons why she would say it.

We Wine Whenever (25:31.221)
Yeah. And Shannon said that she's done with Tamera. She had to leave London early because of all her antics and she walked out of the party. That's when she walked out of the party and she's standing there next to Matt, Katie's husband.

Kelli (25:46.967)
This was not good.

We Wine Whenever (25:48.177)
No, felt bad. Listen, I felt bad for Matt in this situation, but you know what? Shannon was in the middle of it and

Kelli (25:55.735)
Did you, real quick, did you hear when Shannon walked away, Alexis said, have another drink?

We Wine Whenever (26:01.427)
no, but that doesn't surprise me. That doesn't surprise, no, that doesn't surprise me because she walked out because they were trying to get the picture and then she, and Tamar has to make that comment. And she's like, you made me leave London early. Like I'm done with you. I'm done. And he, she's out there in like the doorway and she says to Matt, like, you know, I say it all the time. I leave, I say I'm done. And then I go back. Like this time I'm really done. And he's just kind of supporting her. He's like, well, maybe, maybe you should, maybe this should be it for you. Maybe you should just leave. And then she's like,

Kelli (26:03.095)
I All right, I'm sorry. Go ahead.

Kelli (26:11.063)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (26:30.987)
I'm really sad you don't even know me.

Kelli (26:33.483)
Yeah, she, mean, listen, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna blame this on alcohol because I think she's gotten that enough. But I think, I think she just misread what he was saying. I mean, I do think that he had a point and he was like, if this is upsetting you so much that you're at this point, you know, so uncomfortable and unhappy, why do you keep doing it? You know?

We Wine Whenever (26:41.301)
No, I don't think it had anything to do with alcohol.

We Wine Whenever (26:54.977)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (27:00.235)
Right, right, right. No, he absolutely had a point and there was no malice intent with it and she just took it the wrong way. And I just think it's, I think it was because she was so upset and like just enough already with Tamara. Like if Tamara hadn't said anything, this would have never happened. It was just her poking the bear one last time. And by the way, at that point, now that she has that extra fuel to put on the fire when it

Kelli (27:02.635)
He had a point.

Kelli (27:09.719)
She misread it.

Kelli (27:23.369)
Exactly.

We Wine Whenever (27:29.751)
does come to the reunion, cause she now saw the way he treated Matt.

Kelli (27:33.985)
Yeah, I know.

We Wine Whenever (27:35.541)
And I'm sure Shannon apologized. I'm sure when she saw it back, I'm sure she apologized. I'm sure she owned it because that's what she does.

Kelli (27:42.741)
Yes, I agree. I'm hoping that by the time the reunion was filmed, they had spoken about it and she had apologized to him and we're all in a good place now. Yeah. What was that scarf on Shannon's ex? He's really rocking the scarf look. He was wearing it on Watch What Happens Live too.

We Wine Whenever (28:01.381)
I didn't watch him. Just now? Just this? He was just on? a while back. Yeah. It's probably because he's got an old neck. That's what old people try. Right? Yeah. That's what old people do to cover up their neck. They put on a scarf. So then, Emily goes to get Janet and brings her back. In the meantime, Tamar and Eddie leave, which is good.

Kelli (28:04.701)
No, when Alexis was on. Yeah.

Kelli (28:11.283)
you're absolutely right. You're absolutely right. That is why.

Yeah. Yeah. That's right.

We Wine Whenever (28:31.012)
They realize that Johnny J is pulling up and Shannon says to Katie, you know, and Shannon says to Katie, your husband says something to me that was very inappropriate. We'll talk about it later. And Katie was like, okay. And then, then Shannon says, listen, she didn't take my man. She took my problem. She can have them. And Emily and Gina decide to, you know, to climb the.

Kelli (28:57.431)
Emily's trying to hoist Gina up so she can see.

Kelli (29:04.236)
What happened?

We Wine Whenever (29:06.417)
you.

We Wine Whenever (29:13.654)
devices.

Kelli (29:17.718)
Now it's fine.

We Wine Whenever (29:18.986)
Okay, now it is fine. Yeah, now it's fine. I wonder what happened.

Kelli (29:25.015)
I don't know, we might have to look into a different program.

We Wine Whenever (29:28.351)
I don't, is, well, we're recording. I'll just kind of, I'll just repeat what I just said, just so in case I have to put them together, because I think it's gonna be two separate recordings. So, Shannon says she didn't take my man, she took my problem and she can have him. And then Emily and Gina decide to look over the, climb over the cement wall so that they can see Johnny J. And,

Shannon is sitting there laughing with Katie. The two of them are cracking up hysterically, which I was glad to see. I was glad to see that she was laughing. Like she's like, you know, enough already. And then we see three weeks later after filming wraps, the headline comes out that Ryan is being accused of laundering money through Vegas and cameras go back up. Ryan,

Kelli (29:59.861)
Yeah, I mean, how could you not?

Kelli (30:18.827)
and Tamara goes to lunch with her FBI hat on.

We Wine Whenever (30:21.47)
Yes, Tamara, she's such a bitch. Ryan apologizes to Jen and says he's sorry that, you know, she has to go through this. And I did think it was a little odd though that he brought the Lord's name into it. That the Lord has a plan. I mean...

Kelli (30:35.186)
Me too. I mean...

We Wine Whenever (30:40.502)
I believe the Lord does have a plan, but I don't know that that would have been where I said it. Just saying.

Kelli (30:46.133)
Yeah, mean, you know, yeah, illness, sickness, know, certain things in your life, if you, you know, want to say, you know, this is just, you know, whatever, but being accused of laundering money.

We Wine Whenever (30:57.621)
Yeah.

Right.

Kelli (31:01.747)
might not be in the Lord's place.

We Wine Whenever (31:03.555)
No, no, no. And then we flashed back to a Hot Mike moment at the party. Ryan was talking to Terry and he said it was all over the news. Ryan said, these are my friends. I'm not going to rat them out. Terry said, are you going to go to jail? And he said, I might. And he was talking to Terry about Matt.

Kelli (31:22.993)
I didn't hear that.

We Wine Whenever (31:24.203)
Yeah, after that whole thing, they played it just kind of the audio. Yeah, yeah. I thought that was very interesting. And then we see Tamar meets up with Emily, Heather and Alexis and she shows up with her stupid FBI hat and they're talking about what went wrong with Ryan and Emily's like, well, $16 million into his account and he didn't know about it.

Kelli (31:29.054)
Interesting.

Didn't hear that.

We Wine Whenever (31:53.62)
So then Gina goes over to Katie's house and they're talking about this and Katie said Matt was at the party. That is why her husband was standing over by the door. Now I thought that was interesting because Matt knew about this whole situation. Her husband Matt that the other Matt was there. So that's why when Shannon went to the door, Matt was standing there because he had said to Katie, the FBI can come in at any time and and raid this place.

Kelli (32:22.626)
my gosh, that's crazy.

We Wine Whenever (32:24.241)
Yeah, you didn't. Yeah, isn't that crazy? So.

Kelli (32:28.619)
I didn't, I must have zoned out at this point or something.

We Wine Whenever (32:32.263)
Yeah. Yep. said the feds could come at any time. So that's why he didn't want to be in that party. He was on high alert and he was standing near the doorway because he knew the whole situation.

Kelli (32:39.606)
Yeah.

Kelli (32:45.409)
Right, right.

We Wine Whenever (32:47.304)
So then we see Gina goes over to Kate, no, then we see Jen goes over to Katie's house and she and Gina, they're all there. The three of them are there and Jen is visibly upset and she's like, you know, I didn't even know what to do. She's like, you know, she's crying. She's like, she just left really. She just left the house. Like when it all came out, she didn't know where to go or what to do, which I get like, what do you do when that news comes out? Like she's like,

Kelli (33:10.401)
I know. I'd hop in the car and go buy pack of cigarettes. That's what I would do.

We Wine Whenever (33:13.434)
Yeah, she feels like she blew up her whole life. she, you know, she was married, right? She was married. She, you know, basically left her husband for Ryan. I mean, Ryan's been good to her, but we now know that maybe he wasn't completely honest with her. Which is sad. And I feel for her. I feel for her because I don't want her to get screwed. I think she's a very kind woman. I think.

Kelli (33:16.747)
Yeah, for sure, for this guy.

Kelli (33:29.035)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (33:40.977)
I think that she just was trying to find happiness and she didn't have it in her marriage. And you know, this guy, Ryan comes around and you know, he's giving her a lot of attention and telling her how beautiful she is and making her feel like a princess. you know, five, five kids later and many years later, it feels good to be wanted, you know? I just feel for her at this point. So,

Kelli (33:45.74)
Right.

Kelli (34:01.781)
Yeah, of course, of course.

We Wine Whenever (34:08.091)
Then we see at the end that Ryan was never accused or charged of any wrongdoing and received full use immunity. His friend, Matt Boyer, pled guilty and is facing up to 18 years in federal prison. And Jen and Ryan's wedding is planned for 2025.

Kelli (34:27.435)
So say this, hypothetically, say this baseball player was the one doing it. This guy Matt's gonna take the fall for it too?

We Wine Whenever (34:33.243)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (34:39.664)
Well, well Matt, well listen, no, Matt's not taking the fall for it. Matt was guilty.

Kelli (34:41.099)
Right?

Kelli (34:46.433)
But what was he guilty of?

We Wine Whenever (34:48.363)
of being the bookie and laundering the money.

Kelli (34:51.671)
but I thought bookies were illegal in Vegas. How did he launder money?

We Wine Whenever (34:53.798)
Yeah, no, he was laundering the money through the casino and supposedly he was using Ryan's address. The interpreter took the fall for the baseball player.

The interpreter took the fall for the baseball player. Matt is accused of the laundering of the money. The interpreter's going to jail too.

Kelli (35:17.493)
Yeah, because supposedly he stole money from the baseball player. Allegedly.

We Wine Whenever (35:21.047)
Right. Right.

Kelli (35:25.651)
so I didn't know there was another charge on top of stolen money from the baseball player.

We Wine Whenever (35:30.115)
It's laundering. was money laundering.

We Wine Whenever (35:35.269)
So the, yes, so the, yes, he's, he was charged with laundering money through the casinos, through the casinos. So that is, his name was on the accounts, I think. I think he was running it through Ryan's accounts and supposedly his mail was going to Ryan's house.

Kelli (35:43.721)
Okay. But Ryan's name was somewhere.

Kelli (35:57.495)
Pretty amazing, he got immunity,

We Wine Whenever (35:59.63)
Well, he must have had a lot of information. But now I wonder what he's gonna do for a living since that's all dried up. Right, I guess we'll have to wait and see. I'm very much looking forward to the reunion. I'm a little sad that Katie did not get to go meet her birth mother yet. I would have thought that we could have seen that, but maybe she's holding out for another season.

Kelli (36:06.774)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Kelli (36:13.718)
Me too.

Kelli (36:25.423)
I'm thinking that she's holding out to see if she gets cast again so she could do it on camera.

We Wine Whenever (36:32.897)
Right, that's what I'm thinking. She's holding out for a second season for herself. I do, I wonder what's going on, do you know?

Kelli (36:35.669)
Yeah. Do you hear all these sirens?

I don't know, I'm just checking my kids life 360 though to make sure they're...

Kelli (36:46.473)
somewhere they were should be and told me they were going to be and they both are.

We Wine Whenever (36:50.371)
Okay, perfect.

Thank goodness for technology.

Kelli (36:55.719)
Yeah, man. But I did think that Gina was being a good friend to Jen. Like, I think she was giving it to her straight at Katie's house, but she was being a good friend.

We Wine Whenever (37:06.583)
No, I agree. And listen, she's been through a divorce. So, you know, she's going through it right now still with Travis. So she knows about, you know, one of the things that Jen said to, you know, Ryan, when he was apologizing, she's like, this is going to be a bloodbath for me. Like these women have already been coming for me and now they have this. And he's like, I don't care what your friends say. And I get that, but still she's going to be the one going through it. You know, you may not care, but

Kelli (37:26.562)
Absolutely. Yep.

Kelli (37:36.535)
Yeah, I'm glad that he got immunity. I'm glad that he's, you know, this will be behind them going into next season. So Tamra can shut the F up. Hopefully she won't even be there. I don't think she's gonna be there.

We Wine Whenever (37:47.668)
That would be great. That would be great. All right. So I think that's it, unless you have anything else to add. Nope. Okay. Thank you for, thank you for watching and listening to We Wine Whenever. Until next time. Bye.

Kelli (37:51.915)
in.

Kelli (37:55.573)
Nope. That's it.

Kelli (38:01.707)
Bye.

Kelli (38:05.921)
Do you feel like there's been more-