Messy Blessings and Hushed Apologies

 Messy Blessings and Hushed Apologies

This episode is packed with tension as both the housewives and their husbands find themselves at odds, all while navigating personal struggles, family drama, and unresolved conflicts.

1. Party Clash: Angie’s party is a chaotic kickoff, with Lisa and Whitney in a shouting match that involves their husbands, Justin and John. Amidst the heated argument, Angie tries to bring calm by having Mary lead a blessing, forcing the rivals to hold hands briefly before Whitney and Justin exit.
2. Family Reflections:
   • Lisa & John: The next day, Lisa and John reflect on their roles, with John feeling protective over Lisa’s outspoken nature.
   • Whitney & Justin: Justin, feeling drained, takes a symbolic step toward sobriety by dumping their alcohol, contemplating the tension with John.
   • Britani & Heather: Britani confides in Heather, revealing loneliness and regret over past toxic relationships, especially with her daughters distant and her mother’s recent passing.
   • Lisa & Her Sister: In a tender moment, Lisa shares her heartbreak with her sister, feeling like a failure after her son Henry’s lonely birthday experience.
3. Reconciliation Attempts & Drama:
   • Husbands Meet: John and Justin meet to address their conflict. John offers a reluctant apology, but also questions if Justin owes Lisa an apology, leaving Justin uncertain.
   • Heather & Bronwyn: Heather and Bronwyn try to mend their friendship over a messy home tour. Bronwyn confesses to "being messy" and admits to stirring the pot, but Heather feels it’s a one-sided apology, leading her to walk out frustrated.
4. Upcoming Plans: Bronwyn hints at a 10th-anniversary trip to Long Beach for the ladies and their husbands, but with unresolved tensions, the trip may not be the relaxing getaway she hopes for.

This episode interweaves conflict and introspection, showing each housewife juggling both friendships and family life, while their husbands navigate loyalty and reconciliation.

Takeaways

The party chaos highlights the unpredictable nature of friendships.
John's support for Lisa showcases the importance of partnership.
Justin's immature actions reflect deeper emotional struggles.
Heather's advice to Brittany emphasizes the impact of toxic relationships.
Motherhood brings guilt and self-doubt, especially in public scrutiny.
The church gathering reveals the complexities of social expectations.
Brittany's drinking habits challenge traditional Mormon views.
The hosts reflect on their own experiences with parenting and guilt.
The importance of communication in relationships is underscored.
Personal growth is a continuous journey, influenced by past experiences. Real life often interrupts our planned conversations.
Blind loyalty can complicate friendships.
Theatrical moments can reveal personal backgrounds.
Fairy tale relationships may not reflect reality.
Loyalty dilemmas can lead to misunderstandings.
Effective communication is crucial in resolving conflicts.
Awkward social encounters can be hard to watch.
House tours can reveal more than just decor.
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Transcript

We Wine Whenever (00:00.732)
Hi, welcome to We Why Whenever. I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:03.682)
I'm Kelly.

Lori (00:04.523)
and I'm Lori.

We Wine Whenever (00:05.848)
We're talking about Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, season five, episode number seven, The Husbands. It's titled, yeah, Husbands. Yes. We start off where we left off with the fight at the party between Justin, John, Whitney, and Lisa. Lisa keeps yelling, she's a liar.

Kelli (00:13.485)
Is that what it was named?

Kelli (00:17.507)
That is funny.

We Wine Whenever (00:34.048)
Literally they're acting like crazy people at Angie's party. I mean, that's what I wrote down. Crazy people.

Lori (00:37.197)
Crazy people. Yes, crazy people. Yeah.

Kelli (00:38.396)
Listen, it was mob themed, you get what you get.

We Wine Whenever (00:41.643)
I know, but it was a family party. Like there were kids there, her father was there, there was other family. Like it was not the place to be acting a fool. And last time, exactly, like if I was her, I would not invite these women to my house ever again.

Kelli (00:51.299)
What happened at our Orthodox Easter party?

Lori (00:57.193)
No,

Kelli (00:58.125)
No. And then in the middle of it, she's like, okay, Mary's gonna bless our union now. And Mary makes Lisa and Wendy hold hands. And they do it.

Lori (01:06.305)
Hold hands, that was great.

We Wine Whenever (01:07.521)
I love that. And they're still bickering as they're doing it, which I thought was hysterical. Honestly, that was my favorite part at that point because I was like, my God. And they're listening to Mary of all people.

Kelli (01:13.123)
Very funny.

Kelli (01:19.491)
I know. Well, she is a preacher.

Lori (01:20.269)
Well, yeah, that's really.

We Wine Whenever (01:21.484)
Just like... So then after that, you know, they get through that, know, Whitney and Justin leave and as soon as the blessing's over, next day we see Lisa and John are talking about what happened last night. And I loved how John said, I'm going to stand up for my mouthy wife. And Lisa laughed.

Kelli (01:25.359)
Preach, Mary, preach.

Lori (01:43.255)
Yeah, that was funny.

Kelli (01:44.717)
I think John's the MVP husband of this. I don't know though, Brahman's husband at the end comes in pretty nicely too. But I really like John.

We Wine Whenever (01:47.477)
Lisa left.

We Wine Whenever (01:52.716)
Yeah, so it's interesting because I was taking notes on this today and Bill happened to be sitting there and he's like, I said, can you believe he said that? He goes, well, she is kind of mouthy. I was like, yeah, no, she is kind of mouthy.

Lori (02:06.133)
She's kind of a...

Kelli (02:07.695)
Every time I'm watching a Housewives show and Eric comes in the kitchen he goes, I don't how you watch these bitches.

We Wine Whenever (02:13.949)
Bill says that. He doesn't call him bitches. He's like, I don't know how you watch this. I don't know how you watch this. He says it all the time.

Lori (02:18.323)
Every time that my husband comes in, he goes like this.

Kelli (02:18.794)
Now you are these bitches.

We Wine Whenever (02:25.95)
What does that mean?

Lori (02:27.927)
Then everybody's got duck lips. He is, my husband has such an aversion to that. If he'll come home from Walmart or Lowe's or something, he'll be like, I saw some girl. And she had so much lim, it's so disgusting. He just thinks it's gross.

Kelli (02:29.027)
lip injections.

We Wine Whenever (02:29.852)
I am.

Kelli (02:45.007)
There's a lot of them around here.

Kelli (02:51.811)
So Eric walked in the other night and I was watching OC and Jennifer Pedranti was on the camera and he was like, my God, she looks awful. I'm like, what? I think she's the most beautiful one out of all of them. He's like, no, other than Emily, think Emily's just, and Gina, just, you know. But he was like, no, look at her face. She's all doctored up and ugh. I'm like, that's interesting. I thought, you know.

Lori (03:14.977)
Yeah, Nope.

We Wine Whenever (03:21.129)
So John said his protector mode stepped, you know, kicked in when Justin stepped toward her and, you know, responded to him. And I thought it was funny. Then Justin and Whitney are in the kitchen and Justin is dumping all the alcohol that they had been gifted by Lisa and he's dumping it down the drain. And when he's like, but what about the Vita tequila? It's a brand new bottle. He's like, nope.

Kelli (03:44.941)
Listen, I thought I was immature. my gosh. Like, Justin, how old are you? Yeah, he really was. That was very childish.

Lori (03:45.229)
Yeah. He was, he was being a housewife. He was being, he was, he was being, he was being Justina. What he was doing. was being Justina. Yeah. And Whitney's, and Whitney's face was like, no, no, no, no, no, it's good. It's good. It looks good. yeah. She took her self to her garage, back to her garage where it came from. This is where she was donating it.

We Wine Whenever (03:51.88)
you

We Wine Whenever (04:03.741)
Well donate it! Who you donating it to?

Yeah.

Kelli (04:10.477)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (04:12.904)
But after he did it, he said he felt better. So listen, sometimes that's what you need to do. Yeah, that's how he felt better. And then Whitney asked if John and him are gonna be okay. And he said, listen, that he's never had a problem with John before. And then shortly after John does text him to come meet up with him, which is good. Then we see Brittany go over to Laser Lab to meet up with Heather. And she sits down and Heather starts like,

Kelli (04:17.753)
Sometimes you need those immature moments. I have them plenty.

Kelli (04:34.543)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (04:42.266)
about to talk about like the fight and Britney's like, no, what about Jared showing up? Like I don't.

Kelli (04:49.241)
Yeah, she totally thought she was talking about Jared when she was like, my gosh, could you believe? And she's like, I know. And then she starts talking about the fight. She's like, I you talking about Jared. What?

Lori (04:49.431)
Uh-uh.

We Wine Whenever (04:53.864)
Right now.

We Wine Whenever (04:58.056)
It just shows you how unaware she was. Like it was only about her.

Lori (04:59.401)
Stop.

Kelli (05:04.719)
and self, yeah, like self-involved, self-obsessed, I don't know.

Lori (05:07.597)
And wouldn't you, if you have a friend and they're sitting down and telling you that they have been in toxic relationships in the past and that this relationship that you are pursuing is toxic, wouldn't you take pause and say to yourself, hmm, well, maybe I should not, you know. But no, no, she's just gonna.

Kelli (05:31.181)
I think when you're in it, you're in it. And she's, he's clearly that guy that, you it's got her wrapped. Yeah.

Lori (05:40.66)
Wrapped. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (05:42.042)
do think that Heather was, and I think she was being a good friend at this time because she said, listen, and I'm not right this season, I'm not a big fan of Heather's. don't like the way she's stirring the pot, but in this particular instance, I think she was spot on saying, listen, it F'd up my life. I was in a toxic relationship and I don't want this for you. You wanna get your girls back, focus on that. And she's just like.

Kelli (05:46.701)
I do too.

Lori (05:46.969)
yeah.

Kelli (05:58.212)
Yeah.

Kelli (06:01.934)
Yeah.

Kelli (06:06.605)
I mean, she basically admits, like, I prioritize him over my daughters. How old are her kids, do we know? Yeah. Yes, she prioritizes men over her children. Do we know how old her kids are?

We Wine Whenever (06:11.354)
She said men. She said men. She didn't specifically say him, but...

We Wine Whenever (06:20.269)
We don't. We don't.

Kelli (06:22.127)
Like I wonder if they're young. I don't know. Either way it's sad. girl, like kids need their parents. Come on.

We Wine Whenever (06:27.629)
no they do and she and you know her mom has passed away and now she's really feeling lonely because she really she's never daughter she doesn't have her mom i mean her dad is still there you know she has to

Lori (06:39.191)
Well, you you said men, she does have the spreadsheet, so you don't know which man she's talking about. yeah, please.

We Wine Whenever (06:42.915)
Yeah, she does have the spreadsheet.

Kelli (06:45.593)
That sounds like a lot of work.

We Wine Whenever (06:48.576)
It does sound like a lot of work. Then we see Bronwyn and Todd, go to lunch and they're talking about the party.

Kelli (06:56.526)
Wait, first we see Brahman picking him up at the airport in her inflatable costumes.

We Wine Whenever (07:01.25)
No, well, I think it was after that, it was throughout that thing, but that's fine. We can talk about that.

Kelli (07:06.423)
I mean, I could totally see Lori doing this.

Lori (07:06.635)
Yes, she's, yeah, yeah, I can do. yeah, yes, I would. yeah, yeah, yeah. But you know what, this is the problem. It's you look at it and from the outside you say, know, kind of like that's quirky and fun. But then when you really look at it, you're like, you know what, he travels a lot. So how often are you doing this?

We Wine Whenever (07:09.142)
would you? Get out of here, you would not.

Kelli (07:13.025)
I could totally see Lori doing that.

Kelli (07:31.523)
Yeah, every week.

Lori (07:35.797)
And if it's not a once in a while thing, it's giving off, I'm desperate for attention, my husband travels too much. It just doesn't, when you really think about it, it just doesn't fool correctly. At least it doesn't for me.

Kelli (07:50.755)
You don't think she's just trying to be funny. Maybe she doesn't do it every time. They did show a decent amount of clips though.

Lori (07:56.749)
A decent amount of clips.

We Wine Whenever (07:56.93)
That's what I was thinking. The amount of clips that they showed, like, did this, did they, was this during her time filming or did they just go to the airport?

Kelli (08:04.793)
Well, he goes to New York every week for three to four days. So they filmed for a couple of months, so they could have taken 15 clips.

We Wine Whenever (08:08.277)
I know.

We Wine Whenever (08:11.957)
Or did they just, or did they go there one time and she did all her outfits at once? Do you think really they followed her there every time? That's what I was wondering. You know what I mean? it was a, yeah, like it was a, I mean, when the shark one was going, I was like, but then, then the more that came, was like, my God, like this is really a thing.

Kelli (08:19.929)
Got it. No, you're probably right. They're probably like, next, get the shark one out.

Lori (08:20.789)
Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (08:31.273)
yeah.

Kelli (08:31.821)
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're right. You're right. They probably did it in one day, but you're there's probably something to what you're saying, Laura.

We Wine Whenever (08:35.916)
I don't know, I thought it was.

Lori (08:39.691)
I don't know. It's just weird. It's just a little too much.

We Wine Whenever (08:46.048)
It's a little too much. would say that when they were sitting down at lunch and she was talking to him about the party last night and, you know, about their 10 year anniversary and he's, she's telling him about like, you know, she's not really great with Brittany and he's like making his comments. I thought that they were, I thought that they were rude. I thought that he was obnoxious. I didn't like their interaction together. I didn't feel like it was warm and fuzzy. Everything she said was based on the text messages.

Lori (08:46.2)
I don't know.

We Wine Whenever (09:15.071)
And I just thought he was snotty. didn't, like I said, didn't, even when she was trying to talk about Gwen, he's like, you know how I feel about that. I don't want to talk about it anymore.

Kelli (09:23.967)
That I understood. That I understood.

Lori (09:24.045)
He even went so far as to cross his arms. See that? He crossed it like a small boy. He crossed his arms and said, you know, we're not gonna talk about this. But yeah, but wait a second. Where is she going to that venue with that outfit on? It was like going to...

We Wine Whenever (09:30.687)
Yeah.

Kelli (09:30.873)
He did cross his arm.

Kelli (09:40.079)
I don't want talk about it anymore.

Lori (09:51.693)
You're supposed going to McDonald's when you're supposed to be going to the opera. I mean...

Kelli (09:55.469)
I'm gonna venture to say that we're not going to understand one outfit Bra Moon wears this season. I'm gonna go out on a limb and just say it.

We Wine Whenever (09:59.712)
No, no when

Lori (10:01.997)
She had a lovely outfit. When she went to visit Mary, she had on a lovely outfit. She looked lovely. But I thought to myself, where are you going with this lavender gown, with this big feather thing, and you're going to like this restaurant and you're sit outside? was odd. It was odd.

Kelli (10:21.497)
You go into like a pub. You got fish and chips.

We Wine Whenever (10:25.44)
She had pizza and she was eating it with a fork. And Bill even commented on that. Bill's like, because Bill was still there, he's like, she's eating pizza with a fork and knife. What is that?

Lori (10:27.851)
It was just hot.

Kelli (10:29.427)
I noticed that.

Kelli (10:35.503)
She is not from New Jersey or New York people.

Lori (10:37.741)
No.

We Wine Whenever (10:38.023)
I was like, I don't know. I just don't know.

Kelli (10:40.907)
didn't catch him being so short with her talking about Britney. I didn't catch that. Maybe I

We Wine Whenever (10:47.343)
he was like condescending. He's like, yeah, he's like, that's the one that had two dates. And she's like, yeah, I'm not gonna invite him. Well, then you'd have to invite two others. Well, maybe they had a threesome on the way home. Like he just kept making digs. He just kept making digs. And I was like, this is not appropriate. It's not appropriate coming from him. And then, you know, she put out on social media a screenshot of her text messages with him.

Lori (10:50.733)
It was a little condescending.

Kelli (10:52.696)
Interesting.

Kelli (11:01.142)
Okay, okay, I did catch that.

Lori (11:02.637)
Yeah.

Kelli (11:06.135)
Right. Right.

Kelli (11:14.479)
with her husband?

Lori (11:14.657)
Which I don't get either. Who does that? Who does that? Like, did I? I think I did.

We Wine Whenever (11:16.54)
with her husband. You commented on it, Lori, right? Because you commented, yeah, yeah, I saw it because we, Wynne, whenever commented on it on someone else's post. And Lori, I didn't know who of us did it, so now know it was Lori. And you commented like, who does that, puts out screenshots of your private text messages with your husband? I was wondering that. And someone underneath wrote, well, you're the only one that was wondering that. I'm like, no, there was other people wondering that.

Lori (11:31.01)
Yes, thanks.

Kelli (11:39.011)
What did they say? sorry.

Lori (11:45.047)
Just didn't say it.

We Wine Whenever (11:46.042)
Right. It was the text message that she sent to him the night of the party. know, Britney's here. Jarrod's here. some other guy showed up. It was just her texting him what was going on a play by play the night of the party.

Kelli (11:59.107)
Okay, so it wasn't anything like a heavy exchange between them.

Lori (11:59.349)
Which I'm sure, yeah, but I'm sure he could, no, but I'm sure he could really give a fuck what's going on at the party.

Kelli (12:07.023)
Yeah, exactly. What does he care? He doesn't seem like he wants to be on the show. Maybe that's why he was so like short in that scene. You're here.

Lori (12:09.162)
What does he care?

We Wine Whenever (12:12.136)
No.

Lori (12:13.439)
well, whatever, but, hey, how about in the confessional when Lisa is bitchin' about Whitney and she said, you know, if I want to say something, I would go to the Post, to the New York Times, I would go on Good Morning America. Yeah, okay, like they're really having you, So funny.

We Wine Whenever (12:18.247)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (12:30.535)
Yes.

Kelli (12:35.021)
Right, right. Good morning America. Right.

We Wine Whenever (12:37.03)
Yeah, she did say that. Yeah, no, I don't really like Todd. don't like the way he talks to Bronwyn. I don't like the way he talks about the interactions of the other ladies. I don't think he should be commenting on it. I thought it was like, like I said, he wasn't warm and fuzzy. didn't get a good feeling about him and I don't like that. Then we see Lisa and her younger sister, Denise, they go out and they're talking about Henry and

Kelli (12:40.175)
That's funny.

Lori (12:55.18)
No.

Kelli (12:55.203)
Yeah.

Kelli (13:05.743)
that was hard to listen to.

Lori (13:07.369)
It was hard to listen to it.

We Wine Whenever (13:07.39)
It was heartbreaking how Lisa was saying that, you know, now that Jack is not there, he's kind of lonely. He always looked up to Jack and Jack's friends were always around and they kind of pumped him up and made him feel better. Like, you know, like he was one of the guys. And then Henry was having a birthday birthday party and he sent out last minute invites and all the kids went to the other party instead. What I wasn't sure about was

She said as she was driving him, was she driving him to the other kids party or should we driving him to his own party? And he was.

Kelli (13:37.711)
I think she was driving him to his own party. It was probably at a venue.

Lori (13:38.05)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (13:40.828)
and nobody was going and he was upset and didn't even want to go.

Kelli (13:44.749)
I guess maybe a couple of kids went, but not a lot maybe? mean, hopefully if he went somebody showed up.

We Wine Whenever (13:47.75)
Yeah, why are you sending invites the last minute when you know someone else is having a party?

Lori (13:47.841)
Yeah.

Kelli (13:54.317)
Well, I feel like she, cause she said, was it my fault? Like she felt guilty. So I think.

Lori (13:58.583)
They were away. They were away. Yeah. I think they were away somewhere.

Kelli (14:03.681)
Yeah, I think she was probably the reason they were sent last minute. know, listen, we have enough to feel guilty about as moms. You do something like that, you're definitely gonna feel guilty.

We Wine Whenever (14:04.99)
I mean, I didn't.

Lori (14:11.563)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (14:14.462)
No, I knew she felt guilty and she's like, felt bad about Henry. She felt like she failed him. I didn't know it was about the invitations. So, all right. All right, well then you could have scheduled it another weekend. Like, I don't know. And then she said, it was hard to hear her friends call her a bad mom. I did feel for her in that moment because we know it's hard being a mom and...

Kelli (14:21.773)
That's how I took it. Right?

Lori (14:21.773)
Yeah, I think so.

Kelli (14:29.261)
Yeah.

Lori (14:38.907)
And you always feel like you fuck everything up. So when someone, when somebody, yeah, when somebody makes a jab at you, it's...

Kelli (14:41.711)
100 % we're always wrong. We're always wrong.

We Wine Whenever (14:48.146)
Yeah.

Kelli (14:49.325)
That's what I mean. Listen, we take the brunt of all the blame. We always feel like we're not doing the right thing. So for somebody else to call out your mothering skills is really shitty. Especially with these housewives, because we all have flaws and we all have insecurities, especially about being a mom. So it's shitty thing to do.

We Wine Whenever (15:01.916)
No, I totally agree. I totally agree.

Lori (15:10.667)
Yeah. And you know, but they're both equally guilty because Lisa should have never brought up Electra and Angie should have never said that about her son.

Kelli (15:19.288)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (15:19.71)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (15:23.407)
Mm-mm. No.

We Wine Whenever (15:24.018)
I agree. I agree. The next thing we see is Angie, Whitney, and Bronwyn. They all meet up for a walk. Once again, Bronwyn is wearing her jacket. We'll just call it that. Move on. Whitney starts off with, she's pissed off. She thinks Lisa and John owe her and Justin a major apology.

Lori (15:25.303)
So.

Lori (15:35.383)
Sleeping bag, sleeping bag.

Lori (15:45.94)
No, I don't think so.

We Wine Whenever (15:47.294)
And that's what Angie says. Do you really think that they're gonna see it that way?

She said she was just going up to Lisa to clarify a few things. No, no she wasn't. No she was not. And then Bronwyn invites them to this thermal outside, outside of Palm Springs race that she's gonna have this 10th anniversary party. I don't know what this race is. Is it like a Grand Prix, some kind of race that she met him at or she spent their first year? Yeah.

Lori (15:58.955)
No, she wasn't. Stop it.

Kelli (16:01.002)
Mm-mm-mm.

Lori (16:20.513)
something.

Kelli (16:20.621)
Yeah, and it might be, if it's like a big thing, it might be something like, watched Jersey Shore, right? And they couldn't say Super Bowl, they had to keep calling it the big game. So maybe it's something like that. If it is a big event, maybe they can't say what it is. Yeah, yeah, Right, something like that. I did like though, when they were on their walk and Whitney was going on and on and on about Lisa, Bronwyn did say like, I'm not 100 % on board with all this. Like, I'm glad that she said that.

We Wine Whenever (16:32.094)
Right, right, like F1? imagine if it was F1. I guess we'll have to wait and see what it is. That could be.

Kelli (16:49.837)
because at least when Lisa watches it back, because something clearly happens next week between Brahman and Lisa and they ask them to leave. But at least when Lisa watches this back, she can see in that moment Brahman had her back.

We Wine Whenever (17:01.02)
Yes, definitely, definitely. And the next thing we see is Brittany's having the church gathering in her house. okay.

Lori (17:09.213)
Wait a second, wait a second. I didn't know Angie had a nose job and I didn't know Bronwyn had two. I still don't know. Yeah, crazy.

We Wine Whenever (17:16.233)
yeah, we did find that out. Right. Right.

Kelli (17:16.589)
And she can't wait to have another one.

They don't look like it. Well, Brahman maybe a little bit, but Angie didn't.

Lori (17:22.754)
No. No. But who wants to their face cracked open? I mean, I get it if you do it one time, but who wants to do that over and over again? That's kind of kooky. Yeah, they're coming out.

Kelli (17:31.161)
Right, right, right.

Yeah, the multiple is is.

We Wine Whenever (17:36.328)
I guess if you want the perfect nose, have to do what you have to do.

Kelli (17:41.167)
Stages, stages.

We Wine Whenever (17:43.198)
I mean, this is the nose that God gave me and this is the nose that I have.

Kelli (17:46.669)
Me too. Mine's getting bigger over the years, I think. I didn't ever realize until I was on camera.

Lori (17:46.956)
That's it.

We Wine Whenever (17:49.161)
I think your nose, I think your nose, ears, your ears. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Your nose. And you know what doesn't grow is the same size as birth? Your eyeballs. Your eyeballs. You're born with the same size eyeballs. Cause they got big eyes.

Lori (17:51.777)
Yeah, your nose and your ears continue to Ears and nose continue to grow. Yes.

Kelli (17:55.243)
well I have very tiny ears so that's fine. But your nose keeps growing? this explains a lot.

Kelli (18:05.837)
Your eyes. Yep, your eyes. That's why babies are so damn cute.

By the way, real quick sidebar, did you see the cutest little flight attendant ever on Halloween?

We Wine Whenever (18:20.09)
Yes, yes, I did. Tiffany's daughter.

Lori (18:24.695)
So cute, huh?

We Wine Whenever (18:25.525)
So cute. She was adorable. Shout out to our neighbor Tiffany and the cutest little flight attendant ever.

Kelli (18:25.808)
OMG. She was adorable.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, so cute.

Lori (18:34.219)
Yes, yes, very cute.

We Wine Whenever (18:36.181)
She was dancing on my porch. Cause I don't, I had this little pumpkin in the front and it's like motion activated. And anytime you move in front of it, it plays thriller. It plays, it plays Michael Jackson thrillers. So she was up there dancing. So cute. Yeah, it was cute. She was very cute. So what was next? Okay. Britney and the party, the, the church gathering.

Kelli (18:38.191)
Mmm.

Kelli (18:47.31)
Aww.

Kelli (18:51.713)
So cute.

Kelli (19:03.417)
Fireside, I thought it was very interesting that Heather went to this and participated after writing a book called Bad Mormon.

Lori (19:03.435)
Yeah. Yeah. Fireside something.

Lori (19:09.965)
after her non-Mormonism. And wait, wait, how about this? So you're telling me that most Mormons are doing two of these a week plus going to church? Woo-wee. Woo-wee.

We Wine Whenever (19:12.756)
Well...

Kelli (19:22.465)
I believe it. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (19:24.543)
I believe it too, but you know what? think, I know Lori had said in the beginning that Brittany was not really Heather's friend, but I feel like Brittany is Heather's friend because Brittany did go to the laser lab. Brittany did invite Heather to this, this, you know, thing.

Kelli (19:39.106)
Maybe she's like a client at the laser lab and maybe they knew each other back in the day when Heather was still in the Mormon church. You know?

Lori (19:46.189)
Maybe, I don't know.

We Wine Whenever (19:47.205)
Maybe, yeah, yeah. And then Angie shows up with a bottle of wine, which honestly, listen, Angie, and they show all the clips of Brittany drinking. I know Mormons don't drink, but Brittany has drank wine many times. So I don't think what...

Kelli (19:59.0)
Yeah!

Kelli (20:02.401)
Yeah, Brittany does. Brittany drinks and it was at her house.

We Wine Whenever (20:05.084)
Right, I don't think it was inappropriate. I know that Heather said it was, I know Brittany said it was, I'm with Angie on that. It was not an inappropriate gift. Heather's, yes, Heather said it was. Yes. I don't agree with that. I do not agree with that.

Kelli (20:11.85)
Heather said it was also?

Kelli (20:20.771)
I guess her Mormon friends don't know that she drinks. Maybe that was the problem.

Lori (20:24.637)
shit, sorry.

We Wine Whenever (20:26.695)
It's okay, Lori, okay, it happens. It happens.

Kelli (20:30.351)
you

Lori (20:31.969)
Hi honey, I'm on my podcast. Can I call you back?

Okay, she hung up, so.

We Wine Whenever (20:38.473)
No!

Lori (20:42.145)
That's real life. You want to know what a real housewife does? She gets home calls. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (20:43.381)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (20:43.641)
That is real life.

We Wine Whenever (20:46.057)
That is real life.

Kelli (20:47.385)
when your kids call you answer.

We Wine Whenever (20:49.843)
Yeah.

Kelli (20:50.765)
And then Angie calls Heather out on being blindly loyal to Lisa. And I don't know if it's being blindly loyal or just kissing Lisa's ass, because I think that's what Heather's doing.

Lori (20:59.105)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (21:01.897)
Listen, Mary called out Heather on it too. She said, listen, you've been friends with Angie for how long? And Angie lets us know since she was 15 years old.

Kelli (21:12.321)
Yeah, I didn't know that. I didn't know that last year when Angie came on.

We Wine Whenever (21:15.572)
No.

Lori (21:16.627)
I thought I remembered, I think I remembered hearing her say that.

We Wine Whenever (21:20.82)
Yeah.

Kelli (21:21.069)
Yeah, I didn't catch it. That's interesting.

Lori (21:23.541)
Yeah, since high school. And she always, she said, Lisa always wanted to be the popular girl.

We Wine Whenever (21:29.647)
Yeah.

Kelli (21:30.327)
You can totally tell. Heather probably could not wait. Heather probably could not wait for this fucking show to be filmed. She must have been over the moon when this, you know.

We Wine Whenever (21:33.22)
Heather, Heather wanted to- Heather!

Lori (21:33.709)
I mean Heather, sorry, sorry, Heather, that's what I meant, sorry, Heather.

We Wine Whenever (21:39.802)
Yeah.

Lori (21:46.763)
And I feel like now that she's on the Ozempic and she's lost the weight, I think like she's might be like feeling herself like a little bit too much.

Kelli (21:54.275)
Yep. Yep. She wants to be the breakout. There's always one.

We Wine Whenever (21:59.44)
What about Brittany when she starts the prayer thing or whatever you want to call it with the opening hymn and they're all sitting there singing? I mean, were you all sitting there cringing like I was?

Kelli (22:12.611)
Yeah.

Lori (22:13.001)
because they were singing.

We Wine Whenever (22:14.351)
Yeah, I was like, and she's there directing them with her. was, yeah. I was like, What?

Lori (22:16.631)
We did.

Kelli (22:18.627)
Yeah, given that. Yeah.

Lori (22:19.261)
yeah, with the hand, that with the hand was too much. Yeah, that was too much. But I want to tell you something about her. I want to tell you something about her. She, she actually is a singer. So she, had, she did, you know that song on,

Lori (22:40.589)
I it's for the Little Mermaid, that part of your world. You know that song? That's her. Yes. So she recorded, yep, yep, she recorded that. And then some other songs, Celebrate the Magic of Disney. She was in Broadway, Miss Saigon. Yes, she's been in, I don't know what Broadway, it said Broadway and it said Miss Saigon.

Kelli (22:44.431)
Mm-hmm.

We Wine Whenever (22:44.68)
yeah. Stop it.

Kelli (22:49.238)
What? In the movie?

We Wine Whenever (23:00.366)
Stop it. New York Broadway, Broadway, New York.

Cause really, yeah.

Lori (23:09.645)
She's been in 14 motion pictures, 46 commercials. She's currently recording a Christmas album that's set for release in 2024. She better hurry up if that's still going on. She's a real estate developer. She's co-founder and artistic director of a corporate

We Wine Whenever (23:14.669)
What's her last name? Yes, she does. What is it? Bateman? I'll look her up.

Kelli (23:15.061)
Check out her IMBD.

Lori (23:40.141)
party band called Groove Merchants and she's the owner of Pure Productions, which is an entertainment production company. So she really can sing. Like if you look her up online, she is very accomplished. I was

We Wine Whenever (23:52.479)
And she's accomplished. She's accomplished. Why is she chasing these men? She doesn't need them.

Kelli (23:57.827)
That's- yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Lori (23:58.707)
Acting like a dumb dumb. don't understand. Yeah. Yeah, but you have to look her up. She's very accomplished.

We Wine Whenever (24:01.449)
that makes me sad.

We Wine Whenever (24:06.057)
I will definitely look her up.

Kelli (24:06.851)
can't believe she sang that Little Mermaid song. That's unbelievable.

Lori (24:09.131)
Yeah, I know.

We Wine Whenever (24:10.431)
Yeah!

We Wine Whenever (24:14.42)
We find out a little bit about her father because he starts talking about his, his wife, Katarina, his precious, his precious angel. And when she passed away, he cried every day for two weeks and they dated for six days. Then we're engaged and got married and we're married 53 years. And that's what Brittany wants. She wants that fairy tale relationship. And she believes that, that he's out there for her.

Lori (24:44.353)
I think that might be actually part of her problem now is that she is looking for this, cause I'm sure her parents had issues. mean, nobody can be married for that long without having issues. And if you have this, if you have this picture in your mind of what somebody's relationship is, and it's probably not all that accurate, then you're just setting yourself up for failure again and again and again. I think she has this.

We Wine Whenever (24:47.593)
I do too.

Kelli (24:58.415)
Totally agree.

Lori (25:13.985)
fairy tale version of her parents' marriage and it's something that she's aspiring to and that's not necessarily... Real marriage is hard. It's a lot of work and it's messy and it's not bad.

We Wine Whenever (25:32.619)
You know, it's interesting that you say that because I think that we all have different experiences with it. I don't think, listen, I'm not saying it's not work, but I don't think it's always messy because I will say that my parents were married for 60 years before my father passed. They made their 60th wedding anniversary. That is a long time.

And I honestly, yeah, I'm sure they had hard times, but I never knew about it.

Kelli (26:03.267)
That's the thing you never knew.

We Wine Whenever (26:04.998)
I never knew about it. So she probably never knew about it either. You know?

Lori (26:09.229)
about it either, But now you're an adult, now you're a grown woman, so you should be able to, you should have enough emotional maturity to discern that it's not a fairy tale.

We Wine Whenever (26:21.96)
Yeah, but, but you can still get that is what I'm saying. There can be somebody who is your person that you can spend the rest of your life with. Like that person does exist.

Lori (26:32.177)
absolutely. Yeah, I'm not saying that it doesn't. I'm just saying it's not... Even when each person finds a person, it's still not a fairy tale.

We Wine Whenever (26:44.713)
But I think it's just a definition of the fairy tale because I think the fairy tale can be that you spend your entire life together, not that there's no bumps along the way.

Kelli (26:45.357)
Right.

Lori (26:53.429)
Right. I'm saying I think her perception is that there's no bumps. Yeah, that's I'm trying to say.

We Wine Whenever (26:57.54)
that there's no bumps along the way right

Kelli (26:59.523)
Yes. Yeah. I agree. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (27:08.902)
So Angie does let Lisa know how she feels about her blind loyal, Heather, how she feels about her blind. And Heather's really answer to this whole thing is that she can be loyal to Lisa and Angie. Just because she's loyal to Lisa doesn't mean she can't be loyal to Angie. And I've said this before, but I really believe this. Like if you are a friend to everyone, sometimes you're a friend to no one.

And I will say this bringing it back to Jersey. I just want to say that I feel like that's where Dolores falls in sometimes. Like she never took a side and I don't really feel like she was a really good friend to anyone because of that.

Kelli (27:43.183)
Totally agree.

Lori (27:52.353)
You can't always be in Switzerland.

Kelli (27:52.867)
Wow. I don't think she was a good friend to Margaret.

We Wine Whenever (27:57.189)
Well...

Kelli (27:57.849)
I think she blindly is loyal to Teresa. She's the definition of blind loyalty to Teresa. She was not a very good friend to Margaret. She sat there when they were at that, whatever that studio was, yeah, yeah, yeah. And she heard, you know, she listened to Teresa say, I want Jackie to bring Margaret down. And Dolores said nothing. That's when I lost it for Dolores.

We Wine Whenever (28:04.111)
Yeah, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (28:12.546)
Sit down.

We Wine Whenever (28:23.654)
Yeah. Yeah, no, I know, I know. That's how I feel. But you know what though? I feel like Heather's going down that path. Like she wants to be the one that's gonna be friends with everyone and be the Switzerland and be on both sides. sometimes you have to pick a side. Sometimes you do.

Kelli (28:27.065)
But I don't think Heather is this extreme.

Yeah.

Kelli (28:44.899)
Well, you have to be able to tell your friend when you think that they're not exactly, when they're wrong. Yes, 100%. You have to be able to tell your friends that.

We Wine Whenever (28:49.486)
Wrong!

Lori (28:51.745)
Right, right.

We Wine Whenever (28:53.37)
Right.

Lori (28:55.863)
Yeah, you have to be able to say corkscrews.

We Wine Whenever (28:59.141)
corkscrew.

Kelli (28:59.319)
You have to be able to yell a corkscrew once in a while. Yeah.

Lori (29:01.101)
You have to be able to yell in the corkscrew. But listen, Angie even said to her, she said, you're not holding her to the same standard that you're holding me to. And that's completely true.

We Wine Whenever (29:02.437)
100 %!

We Wine Whenever (29:11.873)
Mm-hmm. And Heather did apologize at that point. She said, you know, I'm sorry that like that's how you feel, but

Kelli (29:13.647)
Yeah.

Lori (29:21.015)
Well, she did say she would take it into consideration, which I thought was very an adult way to handle it. But really, I thought that was one of the most out of all the shows that I've seen so far is with all this fighting and inappropriate public places at an at home fireside church meeting is so not the place for any kind of personal conversation like that. I just thought that was like really no.

We Wine Whenever (29:22.958)
Yes.

Yes.

We Wine Whenever (29:49.999)
Yeah.

Kelli (29:50.478)
Yeah.

Lori (29:50.623)
I just thought that was just not cool.

We Wine Whenever (29:54.211)
I agree. I agree. The next thing we see is the car trying to park in front of the restaurant and we don't know whose car it is. 100 %

Kelli (29:54.467)
Yeah.

Kelli (30:00.515)
I mean, were you waiting for a housewife to come out?

Lori (30:03.169)
I thought, I was waiting for myself to get out of that car. That's what I was waiting for. I thought, look, there's me trying to parallel park. That's exactly what I thought.

We Wine Whenever (30:12.714)
waiting for it to pull out and go away, that it wasn't going to make it, right? Like I didn't, and then John gets out? I mean, they did John dirty.

Kelli (30:21.157)
they did him so dirty.

We Wine Whenever (30:23.78)
I'm, ugh, that was hard to watch. That was, I mean, it was.

Kelli (30:27.533)
I'm an expert parallel parker by the way and that's because Patty lived in Hoboken for like five years and I would go up on a Friday night after work and spend the weekend with our mic and I had to learn how to parallel park. Expert, expert level.

We Wine Whenever (30:41.006)
Good to know. Good to know.

And that was

Lori (30:45.515)
I saw my husband as expert level. yeah.

We Wine Whenever (30:47.918)
That was before the backup camera.

Kelli (30:48.271)
100%. Listen, I was driving my, no, I didn't have my 83 Celica still. I had a two door Civic, but yeah, sure was.

We Wine Whenever (31:01.441)
Yeah, that was before the backup cam.

which he had, by the way, I'm just going to say that he had the backup can. That's what I was thinking.

Lori (31:06.157)
Yeah, my husband has fit into places that no human should be able to park into.

Kelli (31:10.039)
I mean, that car should have been parking itself. Sorry, Laura.

Kelli (31:18.381)
Yeah. Yep.

We Wine Whenever (31:20.162)
I will say my husband's the same way. So they get into the restaurant and Justin comes in after John and he sits down and they talk about, like it was awkward silence at first and they talk about appetizers and they order their appetizers and they order the old fashioned together. And John says, yeah, yeah.

Lori (31:22.731)
Mm-hmm.

Kelli (31:41.785)
Starts out very good, very well.

We Wine Whenever (31:45.813)
John says, before we go any further, if you can hear me out and I'll hear you out. And Justin says, then Justin starts talking. He starts talking, he's just let him start, which I thought was interesting. He's like, well, when Lisa comes directly at me, I'm of course gonna defend my wife. So he didn't even let John get out what he wanted to say, which I thought was, you So John said, well, you got really angry fast and then you took a step forward towards my wife.

Kelli (32:07.065)
Nah.

We Wine Whenever (32:15.282)
When he said that, I kind of looked back at it and was like, yeah, actually he was right. Like, you know when you're watching it and you don't really see it from other eyes, like we were just talking about it? So that's what he saw. So of course that's why he's gonna jump in that defensive mode. And then Justin's like, okay, well, I understand that, but now how did it happen the second time? Which I 100 % agree with him. He's like,

Kelli (32:21.091)
He did. Yeah.

Kelli (32:38.233)
Yeah, John just went up and grabbed his arm and that wasn't necessary in that moment.

Lori (32:41.207)
Yeah. No. No.

We Wine Whenever (32:41.96)
Right, right, right. And John apologized. He did. He's, you he apologized. He said, listen, I just, was just a snap reaction from earlier. You know, I saw you were there close with, you know, my wife and it just wanted to separate you, which I was glad that he apologized. But then when he thought that Justin needed to apologize to his wife, Lisa, I was like, why would Justin need to apologize to Lisa?

Kelli (33:05.73)
It's never going to happen.

Kelli (33:09.677)
now.

Lori (33:09.837)
So I'm watching this whole thing and I'm thinking to myself, like this is like a breath of fresh air. Like if only the women could communicate like this. Like I was like, this would be so cool. And then I was thinking, well, then maybe there wouldn't be a show. But then I thought to myself, you know what? There would be a show because I would like to watch people communicating correctly. And then once he said that, I was just like, no, okay. No, no, there goes that thought. Down the toilet.

Kelli (33:34.06)
there we go.

And we're back.

We Wine Whenever (33:38.618)
Yeah. Yeah. And I, yeah, I liked how Justin handled it though. I like how we said like, yeah, no, I'm gonna have to think about that. And I will say this to people. If you don't know what to say, and you don't like what someone said to you, you need to just say, I need to think about that. Like that needs to be your go-to instead of popping off. Just give it a minute and say, you know what, I need to think about that.

Kelli (33:40.483)
Yeah, that was out of line.

Kelli (33:48.079)
I'm gonna have to think about it.

Kelli (34:00.685)
Yeah.

Right.

We Wine Whenever (34:07.9)
and then walk away. Yeah. Yeah. So then after that, see that Heather goes over to Bronwyn's house and Bronwyn gives her a brief tour. She lets her know that, you know, no one's ever had the tour before. And we find out she has six dogs. I didn't realize she had that many.

Kelli (34:08.505)
I need to take that advice. Yeah, I think that's great advice.

Kelli (34:25.008)
The dog poop on the floor was concerning.

Lori (34:27.553)
What is up with that? So first of all, how do you have somebody come over your house like that? You have all this money, hire somebody to look after your dogs, take them out, clean up, and how do you let production put that in?

We Wine Whenever (34:27.687)
And a pee.

Kelli (34:47.043)
Wow, I'm sure she didn't even know it was happening. I'm sure production got the pictures of, you know, the film of it, they recorded it, and then they got Heather, I'm sure they asked Heather in her confessional about it. I'm sure production set that whole thing up and Bronwyn probably didn't even know it was happening until she watched the show back.

Lori (35:07.371)
Yeah, that's horrible. That's horrible. But I do love how Heather said that Mary's house was Whoville and that Roman's house was Pound Puppy's palace. That was great. That was great. That was some good stuff.

Kelli (35:18.735)
That was funny. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (35:19.452)
That was great. No, that was, I completely agree. And I think it was totally disgusting that you would invite people into your home with dog poop, NP, it wasn't just poop, NP.

Lori (35:28.491)
Yeah, what the heck going on? I paid you now, yeah. No.

Kelli (35:32.375)
Yeah, it was it was concerning.

We Wine Whenever (35:34.49)
And when Heather said like, maybe before you invite somebody over, you invite the pooper scoopers over to pick up. And that's a hundred percent correct.

Lori (35:41.933)
And not only that, you put this food out on a low table with six dogs and then you leave it and take her around your house and then she's trying to eat something and the dog's like trying to take it. Like I have animals, but no, that doesn't go on.

We Wine Whenever (35:47.29)
With the dog.

We Wine Whenever (35:59.918)
No. No.

Kelli (36:00.055)
No. No.

We Wine Whenever (36:04.632)
So then after that Heather sits down and she says I'm surprised you invited me because I didn't it didn't seem it doesn't seem like you you like me very much and then Bronwyn's like well doesn't seem like you like me very much either.

So she said that she was sorry, apologizes that, you know, things went sideways, that she didn't want to get to know her that way. And she admits that when she heard her and Lisa talking about, her and Angie talking about Lisa, wait, you and Lisa were talking about Angie. When she heard her and Lisa talking about Angie, she went back and told her, and that, you know, that was messy of her. She owned it.

Kelli (36:45.039)
She, she, she, she, she an inability for it.

We Wine Whenever (36:47.365)
She absolutely took it, she totally owned it. And Heather's like, well, that's the definition of messy. Well, she's like, yeah, and you need me to own that? Yeah, I'm owning it. If you need me to own that to move on, I'm owning it. You know, I'm sorry. And she's like, I don't need you to do anything.

Kelli (36:53.293)
and I'm apologizing for it.

Kelli (37:01.571)
Yeah, Heather got very, very defensive.

We Wine Whenever (37:04.037)
She definitely did. She did. And then she went on to say, like, why did you even invite me here? And she's like, well, to be honest with you, it's because I'm planning this weekend, you know, and I wanted us to be good together and I didn't want to not invite you because then that would, you know, we couldn't move forward, but I don't feel like we can invite you the way things are going now. And Heather's like, so what, you want me to come like sing for my invite? Like, I don't think that was the point.

Lori (37:04.307)
very innocent.

Kelli (37:29.835)
No. No, she just wanted to be okay with you because you're staying in the same house. She's already not inviting Britney.

Lori (37:31.136)
I think she

We Wine Whenever (37:35.001)
Right, right. Which I guess means Brittany is just a friend of, right? If you're not invited.

Kelli (37:41.581)
Yeah, I was trying to think like, do they have something between them? I can't keep up.

We Wine Whenever (37:47.341)
Well, she doesn't

Kelli (37:48.619)
no, they do. They do. Remember when they were at that table and Brittany was like, did you marry your husband for money?

We Wine Whenever (37:55.533)
Mmm.

Lori (37:56.097)
Yeah.

Kelli (37:58.115)
Okay.

So I guess Heather's not going on the trip next week either.

We Wine Whenever (38:03.895)
I don't think she is because we don't see her in the upcoming, right? We don't see her.

Kelli (38:06.807)
and she leaves.

Lori (38:10.015)
Now, Bronwyn said something interesting in her confessional. She was like, you you have to love Lisa for exactly who she is, because she's not going to change. And I think that's true.

We Wine Whenever (38:24.565)
Right, right, I agree with that.

Kelli (38:27.181)
Yeah.

Lori (38:27.563)
I mean, she's not somebody that I don't think I could necessarily hang around with, but that's just because I don't know. She's just not my, I don't think she's my tribe, but she's right. It's like, you know, and if, and especially like this situation, if you're working with somebody, they are who they are. So you just kind of have to deal with it and don't think that someone's going to change, especially for somebody that you just.

I mean, these people are work relationships. They're not necessarily personal friend relationships. They might at one time move into that sphere, but to begin with, these are work relationships. So you really shouldn't expect somebody to change for you when it's not a personal experience.

We Wine Whenever (39:21.771)
I agree. And she also said something in her confessional at the end. And she said that she was giving Heather the best version of me and that's not good enough for Heather. And that's something that she, that's one of her biggest fears is that the best version of herself isn't good enough for others. And I really kind of felt for her at that moment. I did. I felt like she was really trying, even though I'm really not sure.

Kelli (39:44.92)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (39:49.697)
just yet how I feel about Bronwyn. I think I need to know a little bit more about her. But at that moment, I was like, she's being real. You know, she's being real.

Kelli (39:56.238)
Yeah.

Lori (40:01.367)
But say to me, you put that together with the costumes going to the airport and I start to be like, and all of her, yeah, like she, I feel like she kind of puts on this show and dresses in these costumes slash couture. It's like a deflection. So, you know, but that, I mean, I'm not judging her. That comes from her past trauma.

We Wine Whenever (40:07.222)
Right.

Kelli (40:12.065)
She's got some insecurities.

Kelli (40:25.422)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (40:31.137)
Right.

Lori (40:31.371)
So, you know, I think that's just how she operates.

Kelli (40:32.804)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (40:37.609)
I agree with that and I agree that, you know, like you said, the costume slash couture, because when she initially said I show up in costumes, I thought she meant her couture. But then when I saw the shark, I was like, no, no, she means costumes. right, because I do think her, right, her couture is over the top, costuming, it really is. And initially I was like, no, I'm here for it, but.

Lori (40:50.893)
Which we cost. Yeah.

Kelli (40:51.065)
She means party city costume. It's period Halloween.

Lori (40:59.681)
Yes, very costume.

We Wine Whenever (41:03.956)
Now I see it more like it's more of a cry for help to be honest with you and And that makes it sad it makes it sad it makes and I don't want to judge her but I just like I'm What I see right now. I don't I feel bad for her. I do I feel bad for her

Kelli (41:11.949)
Yeah.

Lori (41:19.307)
Yeah. And then you couple that with the interaction that you see with her husband. And then it just makes you just go, like what's really going on there?

We Wine Whenever (41:24.658)
Right.

Right, it's not warm and fuzzy, it's not, you know.

Kelli (41:28.067)
Yeah.

Kelli (41:34.275)
Yeah, interesting.

Lori (41:34.637)
So we shall see.

We Wine Whenever (41:36.978)
Yep. would say anything else for Salt Lake or we good?

Lori (41:40.621)
Nope, job is done.

Kelli (41:41.537)
No, no, not for Salt Leap, but we should talk about the blind item that came out today.

We Wine Whenever (41:46.184)
Yes, talk about it, Cal.

Kelli (41:48.291)
So like last week there was a blind item, which by the way, it's very gossip girl, the blind items. It's very gossip girl, the way they word it. But anyway, it was alluding to the fact that an OC wife was headed for divorce and we find out today that it's Teddy Mellencamp and Edwin, which is upsetting. I mean, it makes sense because she does live in the OC now, even though she was a Beverly Hills housewife. But I really, I thought I liked them together. And I wonder what happened.

We Wine Whenever (42:15.475)
Yeah.

Kelli (42:17.011)
She has made comments in the past, I thought, intimating that he has been unfaithful in their marriage.

We Wine Whenever (42:25.394)
That was years ago, though, I thought, when she was on Beverly Hills. And I thought that they had moved past that.

Kelli (42:28.961)
Yes. Me too. So I hope that's not what happened. But who knows? Who knows? That's upsetting though, because I like them.

We Wine Whenever (42:38.514)
No, it is upsetting. Even if you're not a Teddy fan, and a lot of people are not Teddy fans, because she made the announcement herself today on her Instagram. And I did see a lot of people saying, even though I'm not a fan of Teddy, nobody wants that for anybody. Nobody wants a divorce. Nobody wants to see a broken marriage. And I do feel bad for her. I do. Doesn't mean I like her anymore, though.

Kelli (42:47.981)
Yeah.

Kelli (42:53.442)
No.

Kelli (43:01.177)
Yeah.

Kelli (43:05.835)
She doesn't bother me. I think it's because I can't stand Tamra so much. even before this season with Tamra, don't know. Teddy doesn't bother me that much. I didn't mind her on Beverly Hills. I do think just the fact that she's John Mellencamp's daughter gives her the right to be on the show. I didn't think she was boring.

We Wine Whenever (43:14.652)
Mm.

We Wine Whenever (43:21.062)
No, I'm joking. She doesn't bother me either, to be quite honest with you. I just think she gets such a bad rep and I 100 % agree with you. I mean, the fact that she's on with Tamra who has now like become like enemy number one for any housewife fan. it just, you you had said this like last week, I hope she's not gonna bring down Teddy. Right, right, right. So we'll have to wait and see what happens.

Kelli (43:25.357)
Yeah. She gets-

Kelli (43:36.929)
Yep, yep, yep.

Kelli (43:42.815)
Yeah, like I was worried for the podcast.

Kelli (43:49.003)
Yeah, yeah

We Wine Whenever (43:50.586)
Until next time, thank you for watching and listening to We Wine Whenever. Bye!

Kelli (43:55.577)
Bye.