Receipts and Rebuttals

 Receipts and Rebuttals
 
"Double-Decker Drama" (RHOC S18 E15)

The ladies continue their eventful trip to London, with drama and tension taking center stage. Emily and Shannon begin the day discussing how the trip was meant to be fun, but conflict seems to follow. Meanwhile, Tamra and Katie head to the spa, where Tamra shares her concerns about Shannon’s financial habits and her complicated relationship with Ryan, hinting that she needs a backup plan. Jen and Gina later reflect on the previous night's chaos, particularly Heather’s comments about Jen's expensive Dolce & Gabbana dress.

Heather tries to clear the air with Shannon, but things escalate when Shannon pulls out "receipts" to prove her financial contributions to John Jansen, much to the amusement of Emily and Heather, who mock her for presenting scraps of paper.

The group embarks on a double-decker bus tour, with Shannon playfully giving out crowns. However, tensions resurface during a discussion about Gina’s mammogram, Heather's control issues, and unresolved conflicts. A lighthearted old-time photo session divides the group further as some ladies shop while others vent their frustrations.

At dinner, Gina toasts to Shannon’s upcoming 60th birthday despite their differences. However, another confrontation breaks out when Jen confronts Heather and Tamra about gossiping behind her back, specifically over her expensive dress and financial situation. The argument turns chaotic, with Tamra and Shannon trading accusations and insults. Tamra dramatically tells Shannon to "shut up," leading to another dramatic exit.

Later, the ladies share laughs over a cheeky texting game with their husbands, but the underlying conflicts simmer just below the surface. By morning, the unresolved issues still weigh on the group, with Shannon feeling betrayed by Tamra, while Jen confronts her over doing a background check on Ryan. Tamra denies it, but Jen isn’t convinced, leading to a fiery exchange.

Takeaways

• The dynamics of friendship can be complicated, especially in high-pressure situations.
• Financial scrutiny among friends can lead to tension and misunderstandings.
• Tamra's role in the group has become increasingly controversial and messy.
• Expectations in friendships can lead to feelings of inadequacy and frustration.
• The importance of communication in resolving conflicts is highlighted throughout the episode.
• Humor can be a coping mechanism in tense situations, as seen during the game night.
• The cast's reactions to each other's choices reveal deeper insecurities.
• Shannon's strength is often overshadowed by the group's focus on her vulnerabilities.
• Gina's newfound assertiveness marks a shift in her character development.
• The episode showcases the balance between drama and humor in reality television. Humor often plays a crucial role in relationships.
• Communication is key to resolving conflicts among friends.
• Anticipation for reunions can heighten drama in reality TV.
• Controversial statements can significantly impact public perception.
• Legal discussions in true crime can be complex and nuanced.
• Friendship dynamics can shift based on past grievances.
• Reality TV oft

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Transcript

We Wine Whenever (00:00.961)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy. We are talking about Real Housewives of Orange County, Season 18, Episode 15. It is called the Double Decker Drama.

We Wine Whenever (00:03.554)
Kelly.

We Wine Whenever (00:14.165)
I got it. We got it.

We Wine Whenever (00:14.71)
Yes, exactly. We start out the next day in London and Emily and Shannon are breakfast and Emily is talking about how she wanted, Emily and Shannon are talking about how they wanted the trip to be a fun time. And that's not really what had happened at that point, thanks to Tamara. Then Tamara and Katie go down to the spa and they're lying on these like stone chairs, which were

kind of cool, but then Tamara said that she had a chair just like that and it was her sex chair, which... Okay, thanks, Tamara.

We Wine Whenever (00:50.999)
Yeah, nobody wants that visual, Tim.

We Wine Whenever (00:53.556)
No, no we don't. Tamar says Shannon lives way beyond her means. She's telling that to Katie, which you don't know what her means are. Like, how dare you? How dare you?

We Wine Whenever (01:05.027)
Yeah. It's same thing with Jen. Like they just, they're so hyper-focused on people's finances. Like don't worry about it. Worry about your own finances.

We Wine Whenever (01:15.261)
Yep. And then Tamra says that she had to step away from Shannon because of, you know, the way she's acting and, you know, her superpower is making people feel sorry for her. And Katie's like, well, I do feel sorry for her. I don't think that's her superpower. That's not her superpower. People feel they feel sorry for her because she's trying and people like Tamra and Alexis are trying to

We Wine Whenever (01:36.725)
No, that's not her superpower.

We Wine Whenever (01:45.494)
push her down and keep her down. And nobody needs that. That's why they feel sorry for her. Not because she's helpless, because she's not helpless. She's a strong woman. She's been through a lot and she's trying to push forward.

We Wine Whenever (01:46.721)
Right. Right.

No.

We Wine Whenever (01:54.69)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (02:00.715)
Right. She doesn't have that victim personality.

We Wine Whenever (02:02.462)
It's a no, it-

No, she doesn't. And that's what Tamra has. And that's what Tamra kept saying to her. You know, she keeps... And that's a trigger for Shannon. And I don't blame her. It would be a trigger... It would be a trigger for me too.

We Wine Whenever (02:13.973)
No, I don't blame her either. Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (02:19.059)
So then, well, it's kind of like, I went back and forth with these notes. So the Dolce and Gabbana dress. So Heather whispers to Tamara that she saw the same dress that Jen wore to the tea party at Neiman Marcus, and it was $2,000. So she shared that information with Tamara. So Tamara shares that information with Katie. At the same time, Jen

And Gina are talking, because then Jen has this information as well, and lets Gina know.

We Wine Whenever (02:58.979)
Gina, Gina lets Jen know. Yes,

We Wine Whenever (03:00.456)
That's what I meant. Gina lets Jen, exactly. Gina lets Jen know. And know, Katie's response was, listen, you know, I knew she bought that dress. I talked to her that day. She went shopping and she called up Brian and said, you know, it's a lot of money. He's like, well, you could wear it for your nephew's wedding. You can wear it for this. Buy the dress. So she bought the dress.

We Wine Whenever (03:15.595)
Right. Right. And she doesn't even have to explain herself for crying out loud. She's not asking you for the money, Heather. So what do you care? And why are you're that petty? You have all that money and you're that petty that you see the dress and you immediately call Tamara. You're just as bad as Tamara.

We Wine Whenever (03:22.472)
No, no, right.

We Wine Whenever (03:40.763)
I agree. then Katie and her, they, they say that they are worried up Katie and Tamar both say that they're worried about Jen because you know, their concerns with Ryan and the FBI and they want to make sure she has a plan B, which is bullshit. They don't give a shit about, mean, I think Katie does, I do cause Katie, no, Tamar does not care.

We Wine Whenever (03:59.819)
Yeah, Tamra doesn't care.

We Wine Whenever (04:05.331)
Jen and Gina, they're doing this spa thing with their feet in the pool. I don't know. I guess this was in their hotel. I don't know. Yeah. No. It did look nice. And then Gina says to her about knowing that Shannon, that Tamra knows that Shannon is telling the truth. So because that night before, Shannon showed Gina the text message that she found in her text messages.

We Wine Whenever (04:11.893)
Yeah, yeah, it looks very nice. That pool area looked very nice.

We Wine Whenever (04:35.676)
from Alexis about the lawsuit from 2000.

We Wine Whenever (04:42.627)
17, 18.

We Wine Whenever (04:44.358)
whatever year it was, I don't remember, but from whatever year, yeah, I think it was 2018. And she sent it to Tamara. And Tamara could have at the table validated what she was saying, but she didn't. know, is like, what is going on? Like, why is she like this? You know? And it's true. Why is she so involved in Shannon's life and in Jen's life? Worry about your own.

We Wine Whenever (05:14.025)
I really think Tamra thinks that she's being a good housewife by doing all of these things. And now we see what happened. She's just gotten so messy and so dirty that the fans are now fed up and done with it. And now she, you know, we see what she did this week. She can't, you know, with her diagnosis. She's on the spectrum and then she just issued another apology or I guess she was on two T's now.

We Wine Whenever (05:33.295)
Yes. Now she's on the spectrum.

We Wine Whenever (05:42.915)
saying that she spoke too soon, she shouldn't have repeated, she only talked about it for 15 minutes, but it was a two hour therapy session and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. No, you shouldn't have said it, Tamara. You are 100 % right. And quite honestly, and I feel bad, because I do like Teddy on the podcast. We've talked about this. I like Teddy when she has Erika Jayne on it. I love Teddy and Emily together.

I don't listen as often when she has Tamra on because I just don't like Tamra, but I think that this is probably gonna affect the podcast now because we know how these fans roll. I mean, we see when they decide they don't like a housewife, it can really affect their.

businesses.

We Wine Whenever (06:32.6)
It definitely can affect their businesses. I listened to Heather McDonald talking about it today and one of the... Did you hear her?

We Wine Whenever (06:39.393)
She's hysterical. I didn't hear her, but I did see her post where she was saying that, you know, she's on the asshole. What'd she say? She's basically, she's an asshole. That's what she said.

We Wine Whenever (06:53.303)
Yeah, so on the podcast, was saying she was kind of, I don't remember who she was talking to. She was telling somebody about it, but she was recapping it. And she's like, you know, Teddy, you know, she was on Beverly Hills, but she's not an actress and she can't act like that was so staged. It. And she's now, you know what? Now Teddy is complicit with this whole thing. Like she couldn't have, or producer couldn't say to them, don't do it. Don't do it.

We Wine Whenever (07:09.099)
It was so bad. It was so, so bad.

We Wine Whenever (07:15.893)
I know, I know.

We Wine Whenever (07:20.439)
This isn't a good idea.

We Wine Whenever (07:24.174)
I mean, come on. It just...

We Wine Whenever (07:25.515)
Yeah, it was not good. It did not... I don't think it panned out the way she thought it would.

We Wine Whenever (07:33.29)
No, no, it didn't. It did not. And honestly, I really think this in this whole situation, I think Heather was very shady and very messy because Heather's the one who started the whole thing with the dress, at least. I mean, she's the one who told Tamara.

We Wine Whenever (07:49.815)
Yeah, that's what I mean. That's your immediate, you weren't even on camera and you did that. That speaks volumes about your character. You weren't even on camera. So where I think everything Tamara does is for the show because she wants to be a good housewife. And she thinks that's what's making her a good housewife. Heather's just petty now. She wasn't even on camera and she did it. That's petty shit.

We Wine Whenever (08:15.746)
Yeah.

I don't know. I when Jen had that, I think at that moment, she had that realization at, you know, when she was sitting there talking to Gina, but then it was just solidified later on when Shannon, yeah. So then Heather goes over to Shannon and Emily and Heather said, you know, I know you're upset the way things left last night. I just wanted to talk. And Shannon said, you know, I'm blown away by what you said to me because I spoke to you in confidence.

We Wine Whenever (08:28.429)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (08:32.397)
yeah. yeah.

We Wine Whenever (08:47.328)
You know, I was not lying. You know, what I said on the podcast really isn't relevant because what I confided in you is what I confided in you. And I did ask you to keep it between us.

We Wine Whenever (09:00.771)
Yeah, and I gotta be honest with you. I can't stand how Heather comes in a room. It's like she, it's like, she doesn't give anybody a chance to say or do anything. She just walks right in and that's what she says. Like, I don't like how last night turned out. Like, she's like a bulldozer.

We Wine Whenever (09:16.936)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (09:22.22)
She is. mean, she's very direct. you said, she just like, it's not like she sits down and says, you know, hi, Shannon, I know it was a rough night for you. How are you doing? None of that. Like she just.

We Wine Whenever (09:32.823)
And it's not even like commanding a room. you know, we know, we all know women like that. Like when they walk in a room, you know, it's not like that. It's, it's like a takeover. It's like a, it's like a takeover.

We Wine Whenever (09:45.035)
I think it's that she has her lines and she wants to go deliver them. I think that's what it is. Right.

We Wine Whenever (09:49.591)
You're right, that's what it is. Cause she prepares. Cause she's not good. We talked about this last week. She's not quick on her feet at all. So she has to prepare. Yeah, you're right. How about when she brought, how Shannon brought out her notes of, her papers. I knew exactly what they were laughing at when they started laughing. And then Emily's like, don't you know about Excel?

We Wine Whenever (10:01.749)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (10:09.088)
my gosh, that was so funny.

We Wine Whenever (10:15.548)
Excel? Yeah. She's like, well, I know what's on the computer, but I don't know how to input stuff into it. my God. It was so funny. I mean, they were like crumbled pieces of paper and scratches. Like I was like, my God. I really thought when she said, I'm going to go get it. I did not expect her to be getting receipts of how much money she spent. I expected her to be getting the text message about that's what I expected her to get. something, something right. Not that.

We Wine Whenever (10:20.886)
It's so funny. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (10:34.177)
I thought-

Right. Or like a screenshot of an Excel, you know, something like a spreadsheet, something, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (10:45.279)
That was so funny.

We Wine Whenever (10:46.23)
my God. That was funny.

We Wine Whenever (10:50.475)
then they all meet in the lobby and Shannon says, the Duchess of Corona Del Mar will wear, will wear purple and the ladies in waiting will wear red. And she gives them all crowns and then they are going to go ride the double decker bus because she's has this all planned and she's not going to, and I don't blame her. I don't blame her. a couple of them gave back the crown. I don't remember which ones, but they're like, I'm not wearing this. Whatever.

We Wine Whenever (11:09.793)
Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (11:20.226)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (11:21.503)
and then when they're on the bus on the double debaquer bus, Gina says, you know, last night I went to bed and this whole mammogram thing, you know, I just don't get it. And Heather was annoyed. She's like, what is it you don't get? And she's like, well, I feel horrible about it. And the Shannon chimes in like, we all really feel horrible about it. We thought that, you know, you were all good.

We Wine Whenever (11:45.725)
and they show a text message, basically her saying she doesn't wanna talk about it on camera.

We Wine Whenever (11:50.823)
Right, right, which we didn't know until then. We did not know that until then.

We Wine Whenever (11:54.972)
Exactly. And then that makes much more sense.

We Wine Whenever (12:00.945)
Right. Right.

We Wine Whenever (12:03.799)
Heather seems like a very high maintenance friend. And I don't mean like high maintenance where like you didn't call me, you know, like you can handle friends like that. She's high maintenance because you don't, you don't know what she's expecting of you as a friend where quite honestly there shouldn't be any expectations, but she must clearly have high expectations, but you don't know what they are. So you can't anticipate them. So it's like, you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't.

We Wine Whenever (12:30.373)
Yes. And that's exactly what Gina was saying. She's like, I don't know what you expect from me as a friend. And then Heather jumps back onto, well, I don't expect you to, you know, bring on a friend and, know, have her tell me. And Katie's sitting, she was like, that's me. And again, right. We're bringing it back up again. No, she didn't say what you don't, she said, what do you expect from me? Not what you don't expect from me. Once again, you can't just answer the question.

We Wine Whenever (12:36.204)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (12:46.721)
Yeah, we're back to the paparazzi thing.

We Wine Whenever (12:56.578)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (12:59.739)
And I don't like that. I really don't like that.

We Wine Whenever (13:00.311)
Right.

No, and then when Gina brought up the watch what happens live thing Heather's making it like my god Why'd you wait this long to bring this up? Well, you're doing the same thing You're doing the same thing and that's probably why Gina brought it up

We Wine Whenever (13:05.925)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (13:11.757)
Exactly.

Yes, exactly. Exactly. And by the way, Gina was on Watch What Happens Live last night.

We Wine Whenever (13:22.257)
I didn't get to watch it. Was it good?

We Wine Whenever (13:24.668)
It was good. did watch it. I'll talk about it a little bit at the end. It was good. And Andy did bring up that question. he said, Andy being Andy, he said, really, it's the Shady Whales' fault. I'm like, right, exactly. Right. And Gina, yeah, Gina just laughed and, you know, because she's gracious like that. Exactly. Exactly.

We Wine Whenever (13:28.396)
Okay.

We Wine Whenever (13:37.517)
Who are your producers, Andy Cohen? Who you employ? So really, it's your fault.

We Wine Whenever (13:47.233)
What's she gonna do?

We Wine Whenever (13:51.399)
It's your boss. You're sitting in front of your boss and he's manufacturing and manipulating and orchestrating the whole thing. So what are you gonna do?

We Wine Whenever (14:00.364)
Right, exactly. So then the ladies get off the double decker bus and some of the ladies go and get street food. Katie, Heather and Tamar go shopping and they go looking at chocolates. They want to know what the Queen's chocolates, favorites chocolates were. And then they go jewelry. They look at jewelry shopping and Gina, Emily, Shannon and Jen, they're doing the street food. then Shannon's like, let's do an old time photo, which I loved. I love that they did that. I love that they did that. I like when they do.

We Wine Whenever (14:26.21)
yeah, that was cute.

We Wine Whenever (14:30.208)
silly things like that because honestly I think it's cute I think it's appropriate for where they're at and I think it's like a memory that they'll have forever you know what I mean?

We Wine Whenever (14:31.725)
Me too.

We Wine Whenever (14:35.949)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, and I like that Jen stepped in and was like, I'll be the king.

We Wine Whenever (14:42.434)
Right, right. And she was like very conscious of everyone's outfit and you know who would wear what, which you know I think that's nice. And Gina and in her confessional says Heather is a control freak and she is a control freak. And I'll be honest with you this is the first time I've ever really seen Gina this much stand up or talk

We Wine Whenever (14:51.724)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (15:02.84)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (15:11.851)
about Heather in a negative way, whether it be to her face or in a confessional. I've never seen her do it like this before.

We Wine Whenever (15:14.595)
I

We Wine Whenever (15:21.475)
I think that, well first of all, let me just say this, because I have this written down. Gina's confessional look with that orange dress was so good. She looked so good. Because I know she gets a lot of heat for her confessional look sometimes.

We Wine Whenever (15:30.455)
Yes.

We Wine Whenever (15:35.948)
well that one particular once you know i hate for

We Wine Whenever (15:38.943)
Yeah, but this one was so good. I was so happy to see it. She looked great. But I think that right now what's going on, Heather and Tamara are clearly BFFs and they're just gonna back each other. So the other girls are probably like, fuck it. We don't know who the next target is. They keep coming for Shannon. I mean,

We Wine Whenever (15:43.969)
Yeah, no.

We Wine Whenever (16:06.945)
Tamara's been coming for Jen for two seasons and now Heather seems to be hopping on board. So I think, exactly. And I just, worry about Emily because I don't worry about her because she's a tough girl and she'll see it, but she gets very close with Tamara.

We Wine Whenever (16:12.652)
Yeah, and why? Like, what's the point?

We Wine Whenever (16:25.995)
I she's like, I think you said this a couple episodes ago. She knows who Tamar is and you keep your enemies close. I think that that's what it is. I do. I agree with that. And then the ladies get all dressed up and they go to dinner. They go to a place called Sketch.

We Wine Whenever (16:34.667)
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I agree. I agree.

We Wine Whenever (16:46.909)
And Genus does the first toast. They're gonna toast to Shannon, her 60th birthday. Even though we don't all get along all the time, it's nice to be able to sit here around the table and celebrate and toast Shannon.

After that toast, Jen does it. She goes for it. And I was here for it. Jen says to Heather, did you have a problem with the dress that I wore to the tea party? Heather says, no. She said, well, then why did you feel the need to talk about it with Tamara and tell her how much I spent? Heather said, because I was worried about you. Exactly. Because you said you were only getting $6,000 a month in child support. And then Tamara jumps in.

We Wine Whenever (17:07.661)
For sure.

We Wine Whenever (17:23.171)
Bullshit.

We Wine Whenever (17:31.51)
I don't want her to feel that she has to spend $2,000 on dresses. Jen says, well, that was my problem last year. I was wearing all the fakes. And then they cut to where Tamar was making fun of her for wearing all the fake stuff. Jen says, you walk in here, head to toe designer. And she's like, well, I can afford it. Tamar says.

You know, Emily jumps in and said, well, Ryan bought the dress for you. She said, yes, but that's not anyone's business. And it's right. It's not anyone's business. Like I know Emily was trying to help, but that isn't because you know why she because she had been shading her for spending money too.

We Wine Whenever (18:01.505)
It's not. It's not.

We Wine Whenever (18:11.137)
And she was part of the conversation on that bus and she never came out and said that she heard them say it. You know.

We Wine Whenever (18:13.267)
Yes.

Right. You know, Jen said, this is my point. If there's something that that that's a thing for you, then call me. And Heather said, I'm sorry. That's my fault. And listen, the fact that she apologized right then and there, I mean, she had to. I don't know how she could not at that point, because Jen called her out straight out and there was no place for her to hide. Not even Tamar could help her.

We Wine Whenever (18:34.04)
Yeah.

Right.

We Wine Whenever (18:45.832)
because she was going for Tamar next.

We Wine Whenever (18:48.097)
Right, right.

We Wine Whenever (18:50.942)
So.

We Wine Whenever (18:55.021)
then Shannon brings up the we text from Alexis.

We Wine Whenever (18:59.752)
the we text, yep.

We Wine Whenever (19:02.379)
and Emily had a great point that she brought up that basically Tamra holds Shannon to the fire for every little thing she does. And now here's this smoking gun and Tamra knew about it, knew about the Alexis text and said nothing about it.

We Wine Whenever (19:17.135)
Right. Yep.

We Wine Whenever (19:27.191)
So it was a really good point on Emily's part.

We Wine Whenever (19:30.355)
Absolutely, absolutely. then Jen actually goes for Tamar at this point. And she said to her, you know, I don't even know where to go with you. And Tamar's like, I thought we were good. And she's like, you always go ballistic on me. She's like, I don't go. When was the last time I went ballistic on you? She's like, at Katie's party? I mean, seriously? like, does she have that short term of memory? Like, come on.

We Wine Whenever (19:56.011)
Yeah, she's got something. It's not what she claims her diagnosis is, but there's something.

We Wine Whenever (20:02.242)
No, she definitely, yeah. And then she apologizes. Yeah. Yeah, it's definitely narcissism. And then she apologizes and she said she shouldn't have brought up the thing about the FBI either.

We Wine Whenever (20:05.581)
Well, it's narcissism because she can't admit she's wrong. It's narcissism.

We Wine Whenever (20:15.203)
You're like, you shouldn't have, but this morning you were talking to Katie about it again on those chairs. You went into even more detail about it. I mean, honestly, she's the most ignorant of them all because you're on camera talking about this. Like, and now there's litigation. She's really stupid.

We Wine Whenever (20:20.05)
Yep. Yep.

We Wine Whenever (20:42.415)
And then Shannon does say to Tamara, like, seem to want to point out everything I do, I do wrong. So please stop talking about me. Just stop talking about me. Tamara said, well, then stop talking about me. I mean, what kind of response is that?

We Wine Whenever (20:57.429)
It's childish. It's it's like playground talk. Right. She doesn't talk about you.

We Wine Whenever (20:58.511)
It's like she wasn't talking about you.

We Wine Whenever (21:04.409)
And then she keeps sticking her hand in her face.

We Wine Whenever (21:07.363)
my gosh. Well, that's because she can't, wait, that was to Shannon. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This was between Shannon and Tamar, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (21:12.857)
Yes, to Shannon. Yeah, she keeps sticking her hand in her face and Shannon said, just shut up. She's like, I'm done with you. Tamar says, then leave. She says, no, this is my trip. And then she's like, she's like, you can leave, but then she gets up and everyone's like, well, don't leave. And she's like, no, no, I'm going to the bathroom. All right. Yeah. But I mean, it's just sitting there putting her hand in her face.

We Wine Whenever (21:32.993)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (21:37.377)
Because she can't, I'm just gonna say it, she's not quick enough, she's not witty enough to have this conversation. that's her, like that's all, she's very childish and immature. That's why she's doing that.

We Wine Whenever (21:42.317)
Yeah.

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Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (21:55.758)
Yeah, I mean that was a little bit much. then afterwards they all, they are all at the bar and Emily says, let's play a game. Let's all text our husbands or significant others the same thing. I'm naked right now. How, how, how could, yeah. And let's see what their responses are. Jen says, I'm going to get a dick pic in two seconds, which I thought was hysterical. Yeah. Ryan says is.

We Wine Whenever (22:11.245)
How quick can you get here?

We Wine Whenever (22:19.863)
That was so funny. Travis's was the best. You're a 15 seconds and I'll probably finish in the same time. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (22:26.135)
the same amount of time. Ryan says, this for me or is this somebody at the bar? then Katie's like, my husband didn't even answer. That was the best. My husband didn't answer. I don't know where Heather was.

We Wine Whenever (22:43.819)
That was the best. That was the best. Did Shane answer?

We Wine Whenever (22:52.739)
Heather would not have sent that text message.

We Wine Whenever (22:54.325)
No, she would not have sent that text message. But she wasn't there. I don't know where she was.

I know, I guess he didn't answer because we don't know what Shane's answer was.

We Wine Whenever (23:04.759)
I don't think we do.

We Wine Whenever (23:08.066)
But she, when, I totally forgot about Gina talking about Travis's balls.

my god.

We Wine Whenever (23:17.249)
And then she says, that's why everybody thinks he has a small penis because his balls are so big. Like I never heard that, that if the balls are big, the penis is small.

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balls are so big.

All right, so now I have to tell you about this. On Watch What Happens Live, it was Donnie Wahlberg and Gina. they, you know, Andy introduces them and he says, Donnie, heard you and Travis had a conversation before you came out here. And, you know, why don't you tell them what you said? Donnie said to Travis, you and I have something in common. And Travis is like, what? goes, we both have big balls.

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I'm surprised Donnie didn't say you and my wife have a lot in common. She's got big balls because she does. Figuratively.

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you

like that's so funny. He's like we bonded over that like something we have in common. I was like my gosh and then Andy did ask her like you know was Travis upset? She's like no I mean no.

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That's hysterical.

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What man is gonna be upset over that? Nobody. I mean, maybe if somebody's insinuating that his penis is small, but I never heard that and I highly doubt it is.

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So then Shannon gets up and she says, I'm going to go to bed early because the girls are coming tomorrow. The next morning while the ladies are all FaceTiming, there's significant others. Heather and Tamar talking about what happened last night. Gina said, her and Emily said like they can't go to bed at four o'clock in the morning anymore. I can't believe they stayed up till four o'clock in the morning. I don't think I could stay out that late.

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Me neither. I don't think I could ever stay up that late right now. I would have to sleep until two o'clock the next afternoon.

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No, I'm-

I mean, I think that the latest I've stayed up was that time we went to Boogie Nights. And how many years ago was that? And that was maybe what? Two o'clock in the morning or three o'clock? Was it two or three?

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No, that was late night. was two years ago. I think it was more like two. Was that two years ago? think.

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That was late. I think it was more than that.

It was way too long though, we have to go back.

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Yes, that's for sure. That's for sure.

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I don't know that we go back to Boogie Nights, because honestly, I don't want to go back to the trop. It's kind of sleazy. My last couple times, yeah.

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I know, I agree. The music's just so damn good there, but I agree.

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I know, but we have to find something a little bit more upscale just for, you So I don't blame them. I can't stay up till four o'clock in the morning either. Then Gina and Shannon go over to Jen's room and Shannon says, you know, this is the pattern that Tamar's had with me for years. And it is, it absolutely is. Then Tamar and Emily, they go for a walk and they get smoothies and Tamar says, why am I always bowing down to this person?

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Yeah.

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Yes.

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Is she out of her mind? Why am I always being the bigger person? You're not. You're the one causing all of the problems.

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I know.

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Right.

and she doesn't see it at all. And this is where Emily could have pointed it out to her, but she didn't.

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No, she did not. That's what I mean. She did not.

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She did. No. And then Gina and.

no, Shannon says, I'm tired of Tamar saying, I do certain things when she does it. So I went back. So then she goes back. I'm tired of Tamar saying, I do these things when she's the one who does them. And then she goes and gets her phone and she shows her the text message about the background check for Ryan that was two years ago that she sent.

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Yeah, I mean, I don't know, like, listen, I'm not defending Tamra, but it was two years ago, but she did ask for a background check. So it really doesn't matter when it was, you did it. Nobody does that.

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Yeah, she absolutely did.

Right, right, right. And Shannon is like, listen, you know, we aren't these kinds of people. We don't do these things. Gina's like, no, we are these kinds of people. This is what we do. Which is sad. And the thing is, you know what?

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Yeah, this is what we do.

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Doesn't she think Bravo did a background check on this guy? Well...

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I'm sure they did. I'm sure they did.

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I don't know, there's other people that's questionable if they did a background check on them. Let's face it.

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Listen, I think it makes good TV. I don't think they care

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Good point.

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I don't think they care. It's not that hard. It's really not that hard. Like Tamar said, there's Google. She knows what mean. It's not that hard.

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Yep. No, no, no.

Yeah. But even to get a background check, all you have to do is pay for it. I know I've never done it and I would never do it because I have no reason to, but I do know people who have done it.

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Yeah!

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Listen, I am an investigator and I have never had to do that, but if there ever came a point in my life that I felt the need to do it, I would do it. I would do it. Because I don't think there's anything wrong with it, but I would own it. I would own it. And then, know, Jen, Jen, she's like, this is like, this is, she's this weird obsession with me and she does. She's like, it's like,

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Right. Right.

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Tim Pops Off.

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does.

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It's like, you why doesn't she just boil the bunny in the pot or like this is single white female and it was it absolutely was.

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And it's like, it because she's on the show? Is it because, is it, is it because Tamra was attracted to Ryan at one point? Not that, not that she would ever do anything. Cause I really do think that Tamra loves Eddie and I don't think she would ever do anything to jeopardize that. But I don't know. Is there like a weird jealousy thing here that Jen got Ryan and at one point Tamra was attracted to him? I mean, she was calling him hot guy, hot Jim guy. It's weird. There's definitely some kind of fixation though.

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Right.

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There definitely is. And then Jen says, she's trash. She's literal fucking trash. Yeah. But you know what? They were totally appropriate. They were appropriate.

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Yeah, those are harsh.

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Yeah, I mean, you can't keep poking this girl and poking her and poking her and poking her and not expect her to poke back. This is what cracks me up about the housewives. You want to keep coming for people, saying shit about them, whether it's true or not. You're putting these things out about them on television and then you don't expect them to fight back, to stick up for themselves, defend themselves. Come on.

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No. No, and I'll be...

Yeah.

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Right.

Yep. So she leaves the producer's follower. She goes over to Tamar's room. Tamar's getting a blowout and Heather's there getting her, her makeup done too. And Jen says, you did a background check on Ryan. Tamar says, no, I swear to God on my kid's life. I did not.

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Yeah, well there's that one again. All these fucking housewives swearing on their kids' There's kids' lives. It's crazy how much they do it.

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Jen says, I know you did it, I just saw it. Tamar's like, no, then show it to me. I mean, how can she say that when she knows? Right, I never paid for it. She kept saying, never, right. I didn't pay for a background check. I never paid for a background check.

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And then she said, I never hired a private investigator. I never said that.

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And Heather's like, well, let her talk. And she says, no, you know, there's no need. Like there's no need to let her talk. She has nothing to say. First of all, anything she says, she's lying. And then once again, Tamar doesn't know what to do. So she acts like a child.

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Yep. Yep. Exactly.

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I mean, it was ridiculous. It really was ridiculous. And then in her confessional, Heather says, I didn't even know Jen could speak that loudly, rather impressive. When you back her in her corner, she doesn't even know what to do. She's just like a feral cat. That's what Jen said about Cameron. And then Tamara kept saying, I didn't pay for a background check. I didn't pay for a background check. Nobody said you paid for one.

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That's what Jen said about Tamra. Yep.

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Right.

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You sent a text message to a friend looking for a background check. And then you got the information and you shared it with Shannon. Because she was your buddy at the time.

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Right. Yep.

And then Tamara says in her confessional something about someone with half a brain talking about Jen. Like, Jen, she buried you. She ate you up in that conversation. She's the number one girl in the group, by the way, Jen. For sure.

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Yeah, right.

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I mean, I'm so I was so glad to see her do that. I am so I'm so looking forward to this reunion.

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Me too. Me too. It had to be done.

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I really am. Gina said that after the reunion, she felt good. She left the reunion and she felt good.

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That gives me hope that hopefully somebody put Tamara in their place while they were there.

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Actually, I hope so. But Andy even said that pretty much everything was calm except for Alexis. Alexis was the only one that...

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Well, I mean, my goodness gracious, we saw how she acted when Katie and Jen were in her living room. I couldn't believe that.

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It's craziness.

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Cause listen, I'm an over, not over dramatic, I'm like a very expressive person. Yeah. Like especially when I get upset where I'm like, you know, throwing my hands around and stuff. I just, I felt like that conversation didn't warrant that kind of reaction. Like how could you have thought that you were going to be invited on Shannon's birthday trip? What person in their right mind?

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Animated. Yeah.

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No, I agree.

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Lawsuit aside, you're dating her ex-boyfriend. You're not coming on my trip if you're dating my ex-boyfriend. We're not friends, we're not related, and you're dating my ex-boyfriend, you are not coming on my trip. Then you throw the lawsuit in there, it's like, are you out of your mind?

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Right.

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Yeah, it's crazy. It is crazy.

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Yeah!

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I don't know.

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I am looking forward to the reunion though, because I think that, like you said, I think, I mean, too bad the autism thing didn't come out before the reunion. Something must have happened at the reunion that she came up with that after the reunion.

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Well, or I was thinking she knew this episode was airing this week and that's why, because this episode was bad for her. It was bad. I mean, none of them have been good, but this one with the background check and Jen and the Alexis texts and her not saying anything, having that information, like, come on, this was a bad episode.

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Any empathy?

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Yeah, it was. You're right.

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She's trying to get in front of it. She's trying to get some sympathy from the viewers and I don't think it's working very well.

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I think she needs to fire her PR team because whoever is advising her to do these stupid things.

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Yeah, yeah, somebody should have told her, listen, even if the therapist said that to her, we've learned, listen, I don't have any experience with this at all. But from what I'm reading in comments online, mostly from parents of children who are on the spectrum, this takes a long time to get a diagnosis. And of course, a child's gonna take longer to get a diagnosis because it's, you know.

You really have to evaluate so many areas in their life and you have to do that over a certain amount of time to get that diagnosis of course, but I Just don't feel like a two-hour conversation with a therapist can get you that Maybe the therapist said there's a possibility, but she went on the podcast and said I was diagnosed with

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No,

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Right. And that's the other thing. A therapist cannot do a diagnosis. Only a doctor can.

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Right. Right.

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I mean, so...

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There's just a lot of holes in her announcement.

You know, but people are very upset and I would imagine if I have any personal experience in it, I would be upset too. That somebody's just throwing that around.

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Well, that's, yes, and that's what a lot of the comments are out there, that those people are outraged, you know? How dare you? Like, you're just a mean person, really. She is mean. She's mean.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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100%. And did you see what Eddie said? He will always support the Tamra, the real Tamra, not the Tamra on the show. So basically you're saying that she's not, she's totally fake. And think about it. She shares nothing of her life, Tamra. She shares nothing of her personal life. She tried with her daughter this season, you know, but.

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She's fake. Right.

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the other thing that she said, which is really outraging people, is she said that being on the spectrum was brought on by her trauma. That's another thing. That's another thing. Yes, trauma does not cause you to be on the spectrum.

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She said that?

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No.

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She said that.

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I didn't know that. She's really digging herself a big hole. And she's taking Teddy down with her, I think.

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really is.

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That's okay. It was nice while it lasted.

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We're good, we're good on you. It's such a shame that, mean, hopefully it won't affect the podcast, when, for Teddy, you know, cause she's got Emily and.

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Well, Emily was on Sheena's Today. And I listened to that and it was actually very good. You should listen to that one. She was talking about Tamra and Shannon and the diagnosis. Like she was talking about a lot of that and.

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Okay, I'll try it.

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She's not buying it, is she?

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No, not at all. She was also talking about the Menendez brothers. She's obsessed with it. That's why I sent she.

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That was Melissa Gorga. Did you listen to her podcast? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So good.

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I did listen to hers. Yes, her with John Fuda and Rachel. my God, I loved it. It was so good. So I sent you the address for the Menendez Brothers house. you, well, because Emily was going to go visit it today when she was done at Sheena's thing. She was going to go drive by and she announced the address on the podcast. So I looked it up. I was like, my God, that's so, I'm sure it's public information. No, it just sold in March.

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Yes.

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my god.

and it's for sale.

sold it just sold

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I just sold the march, but it's weird because I was looking at the pictures and it looks just like it did on the Netflix series. But she was saying that there's another, she said she's done a lot of investigating on this and she would like to do a podcast about it. I was like, I'm going to call up Emily because I would like to have her on our podcast when we talk about it. I'm going to reach out to her. I'm going to reach out to her. But there's another documentary that was just put on Netflix. She said of them in jail.

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Good.

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from the actual Menendez brothers. Like this one wasn't a documentary, it was a Ryan Murphy kind of docu drama. right, right, her and Sheena were saying, cause they both watched it, that while they were watching it, they were like Googling things to like see if it was true. I know you didn't watch it yet. And I told you, I watched the whole thing. Well, there is this song in there, this Milly Vanilli song that they play throughout the thing. And it's like, it gets stuck in your head. And now whenever you hear this song, like,

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Right, right, like a reenactment, but based on true events.

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That's all you think about. And she looked it up, Emily did, and they did really play that song. I was like, that's weird. Yes, yes, that's it. It's just weird. Like, I don't know if you've even seen, there's some TikToks out there with that song in it, like just all of a sudden, I'm just like.

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What was it, Blame It on the Rain?

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Yeah. So let me ask you the documentary or docu-series. Is there a lot of, like, do they talk about the sexual abuse a lot or is it more, like, I wanna know, like, the legal side of it, the trial side of it, what went on there. I have a hard time listening to the other stuff.

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Yeah. So it's both. I mean, it is both, but you know, you get to see it from the attorney side. You get to see it from obviously the Menendez brother side. You don't ever see the other side. So they, you know, they do talk about it. They do talk about it. you know, the therapist is a part of it cause he's the one who, you know, it's yeah. No, mean, listen, it's

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I'll try, I'll try.

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I thought it was good. mean, I definitely thought it was good, but it's a lot. And like I said, it's nine episodes, which, yeah, they're about an hour each.

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Yeah, hour long.

Maybe I can get Eric to watch it with me. I know he's watched other documentaries on the Menendez brothers. Yeah. Yeah.

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he has? then he might watch it with you. See, Bill would not watch anything. He won't watch any crime stuff. He won't watch... Yeah, no.

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no, Eric loves the crime stuff, sometimes it worries me a little bit if I ever go missing.

Look at Eric's Netflix history and just see if anything lines up.

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Yeah. So she was also talking about the LA Innocence Project that Kim Kardashian is a part of. Emily is a part of the San Diego Innocence Project. They're different chapters. So I don't think because the Scott and Lacey Peterson, that was the LA Innocence Project. Remember we talked about the Scott and Lacey, that's the LA Innocence Project. She talked about that too. She's done a lot of research on that.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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She doesn't think there's any way that he's innocent, but she wants to see like what happens, just like we said. I mean, she, I don't know. I think that he should get a retrial. I still think that. I think we still need to wait and see what happens, but it's the same attorney, Mark Garagos for Scott and Lacey Peterson, as that's now the Menendez Brothers attorney that's working on this.

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Are there any other attorneys in LA? I feel like we keep hearing the same names.

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I know, well, mean, Johnny Cochran's dead. Robert Kardashian has passed. I Leslie Abrams would have been, you know, I guess she's still around, right?

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I guess, I don't even know.

I don't know. But Laurie read the book Blood Brother, which was written by his stepsister, and I'm gonna read it next. So at least we'll have that. Scott Peterson, yeah. And then we'll follow what's going on and we'll keep up to date and we'll do another podcast on it. Yeah.

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That's for the Scott and Lacey Peterson? Yeah.

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Yeah, definitely, definitely. All right, I think that's good for now. Until next time, thank you for watching and listening to We Wine Whenever. Bye.

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Bye.