Miscommunication Meltdowns

 Miscommunication Meltdowns

"Dramamine Drama" (RHONY S15 E3)

In this drama-packed episode, the ladies of RHONY head to Erin's house, but tensions rise before they even arrive. Ubah and Sai discuss Ubah’s relationship stress as Oliver wants her to move in, but she’s hesitant. Meanwhile, Raquel’s car sickness causes friction when she feels Sai and Ubah didn’t accommodate her.

At Erin’s home, Brynn stirs the pot, frustrated by Rebecca’s non-alcoholic drink choice. Jenna arrives in her Bentley, adding more flair to the group dynamic. When Raquel finally shows up, a misunderstanding over the car ride erupts, with Ubah and Brynn both involved in the drama. Ubah’s frustration grows, accusing Brynn of sweeping issues under the rug and creating conflicts.

Amidst these tensions, Jenna lightens the mood by gifting the ladies lingerie—Jessel receiving a quirky Christmas tree costume as a joke before getting the real gift.

As the morning unfolds, conversations swirl over breakfast, from Porsches to Jenna’s Bentley and unresolved tensions. Ubah's frustration with Brynn peaks, leading to a heated exchange. Ubah declares Brynn is making it difficult for the group to trust each other, and the episode ends with Erin pulling Ubah aside, trying to calm her down before things explode.

Takeaways

• Ubah is feeling stressed about her relationship with Oliver.
• Communication misunderstandings can escalate quickly among friends.
• Gift-giving can be a love language among friends.
• Conflict resolution requires more than just an apology.
• The dynamics of sharing rooms can influence relationships.
• Renovations can be subjective; what one sees as an upgrade, another may not.
• Dinner conversations often reveal deeper personal stories.
• Misunderstandings can lead to unnecessary drama.
• The importance of clear communication in friendships.
• Humor often lightens the mood during tense situations. Raquel faced challenges as a woman of color in the art world.
• Her engagement ring was not just jewelry, but an art piece.
• Brynn's behavior often seeks attention rather than genuine connection.
• Rebecca's relationship decisions were influenced by her living situation.
• Parenting approaches to sexuality can vary significantly.
• The significance of a first bed can hold sentimental value.
• Trust issues arise when friends weaponize personal confessions.
• Friendship dynamics can be complicated by miscommunication.
• Reality TV production can detract from authentic storytelling.
• Overproduction in reality shows can lead to viewer dissatisfaction. Group dynamics can lead to misunderstandings.
• Communication is key in any relationship.
• Establishing safe words can help navigate conflicts.
• Authenticity is crucial among reality TV cast members.
• Finding the right partner can feel like a quest for a unicorn.
• Real estate trends can reveal interesting insights about regions.
• Humor can diffuse tense situations in conversations.
• Miscommunication often stems from assumptions.
• It's important to be true to oneself in public personas.
• Creating a code word can help manage conflicts effectively

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Transcript

We Wine Whenever (00:00.962)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever. I'm Wendy. I'm Kelly. And I'm Lauren. We are talking about Real Housewives of New York, season 15, episode number three. And this one is called Dramamine Drama. What's the drama mean about? The car sickness in the car. Yeah. So we start off with Uba and Sai are driving to Aaron's and they're talking about how Uba's feeling stressed.

We Wine Whenever (00:03.249)
I'm Kelly. What's the drama mean about?

We Wine Whenever (00:04.008)
and I'm Lori.

We Wine Whenever (00:19.512)
okay.

We Wine Whenever (00:28.238)
Oliver wants her to move in and she's nervous about it. I wasn't sure if he has a room there for her to paint or he has a canvas there for her to paint. He has something there for her. I thought so too, right? A room. Because I think she likes to do very big canvases. Okay. So she has her own room with big canvases, which...

We Wine Whenever (00:29.61)
Thank

We Wine Whenever (00:37.728)
No, I think it's a room. because she, because I think she likes to do very big canvases. She has her own room with big canvases, which I love to paint. I would, I would be like, yeah, Oliver. But she's, don't know, she seems like she's a little nervous about it. Having a problem, like maybe fully committing.

We Wine Whenever (00:49.902)
Yeah, you would love that. I would be like, yeah, whatever. Yeah. But she's, don't know, seems like she's a little nervous today. Well, she is, she is.

We Wine Whenever (00:50.246)
Yeah, you would love that. Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (00:58.755)
She is. She is.

Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (01:02.827)
Maybe she just thinks, you know, it's tough, I guess, when you're older, as you get older and you're dating, because, you know, we got married. Very young. know, younger. And so I'm sure and I'm sure being so beautiful and successful, it's got to be hard to think to yourself, OK, well, this could really be it. This is really someone who's not after me for this or that. This is something real. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (01:03.08)
Maybe she just thinks, you know, it's tough, I guess, when you're older, as you get older and you're dating, because, you know, we got married, you know, younger. And so I'm sure, and I'm sure being so beautiful and successful, it's got to be hard to think to yourself, well, this could really be it. This is really somebody who's not after me for this, but something real.

We Wine Whenever (01:10.224)
Very young.

We Wine Whenever (01:17.188)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (01:30.99)
Yeah, and she's probably very set in her ways. So maybe she doesn't want to, you know, live with somebody yet. You know.

We Wine Whenever (01:31.721)
And she's probably very set in her ways. So maybe she doesn't want to, you know, live with somebody yet. Yeah. You know, we also find out the helicopter ride was 40 minutes because that was something we were talking about last week exactly how long it was. So when they arrive, Erin has all the food out in the kitchen. Much bigger spread than week. you know, her, they say her kitchen's completely remodeled, although when they do the side by side,

We Wine Whenever (01:47.353)
So when they arrive...

We Wine Whenever (01:47.508)
So when they are.

We Wine Whenever (01:51.114)
One.

We Wine Whenever (02:01.108)
The only thing that looks different is the countertop. And I think it went from white quartz to white marble. Yeah. It was more like a kitchen up. Yeah. Like a zhuzhing. As opposed to, I wouldn't have called that renovation. I would not. Yeah. I didn't even think. It was beautiful. yeah. But the side by side didn't look. I mean, I wouldn't have spent one cent changing it because it didn't look that different to me. I don't know. That's just me. Some people have money that they don't know what to do with.

We Wine Whenever (02:06.578)
Yeah, it was more like a kitchen update as opposed to, I wouldn't call that renovation. yeah.

We Wine Whenever (02:10.082)
Yeah, like a zhezhen.

We Wine Whenever (02:15.937)
Yeah, I mean it was beautiful, but the side-by-side didn't look so different. Yeah, you know some people have money that they don't know what to do with.

We Wine Whenever (02:25.114)
Now.

We Wine Whenever (02:30.291)
Yeah, or maybe you could have used that for the mortgage. Since you didn't have the Bitcoin, just saying. But hey, that's just me. It's just me. So then Brynn asks Rebecca what she's drinking and she says she has her non-alcoholic drink of choice and Brynn's not happy about that. She wants her to drink. so Rebecca doesn't drink? Well, I think she does. at this point, she wasn't going to. Right. At this particular, I don't know if she does or she doesn't. I mean, she is.

We Wine Whenever (02:30.752)
I guess.

We Wine Whenever (02:34.588)
Rebecca doesn't drink? Well, I think she does. She just was choosing not to have a beverage. I don't know if she mean, is, Scientology? Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (02:36.389)
Yeah, yeah. That's nice.

We Wine Whenever (02:58.76)
It is signed.

We Wine Whenever (03:00.426)
Scientology. I don't know if they drink or they don't, but she was choosing not to drink at this point. And I would be very hesitant to drink. If I were a new housewife on any franchise, I would hold out on drinking as long as I could, which would be difficult for me because I like my cocktails. But I think I would tread lightly with that. I agree. And then Sai and Uber arrive and they immediately show Sai the food because she's always hungry.

We Wine Whenever (03:06.71)
I would be very hesitant to drink. If I were a new housewife on any franchise, I would hold out on drinking as long as I could, which would be difficult for me because I like my cocktails. But I think I would tread lightly with that.

We Wine Whenever (03:10.354)
no. It'll be nothing.

We Wine Whenever (03:21.98)
I agree.

We Wine Whenever (03:28.538)
Be like me.

We Wine Whenever (03:30.318)
Erin asked what happened with Raquel. I thought she was driving up with you. And we see that Erin had talked to Raquel earlier and she said that she gets very carsick and Sayan Uba wouldn't let her sit in the front. She said they said you can't sit in the front. Right. Which we find out really is not what was said. It definitely was a misunderstanding, I think.

We Wine Whenever (03:32.732)
I thought driving up to school and we see the energy officer tell us earlier and she said that she is very horse-dick and saying Cuba would let her sit in the front. She said they said you can't sit in the front.

We Wine Whenever (03:36.256)
We see that Erin, talked to the count earlier, she said she gets barotrauma. And so many people would put this in the front. He said they...

Which was not what was said. It definitely was. It was an interesting answer. I don't think it was actually in her intent. She said, think Marcy and the thing was, he didn't even try to hide. And she didn't mean it because she would drive her car, or would drive her car, say, I don't know you're up But, I mean, it was a thing. And it just was, you know.

We Wine Whenever (03:51.526)
Not at all.

We Wine Whenever (03:57.129)
I don't think it was done intentionally. I think that she said, get car sick and maybe I can drive. And she was meaning that she would drive Sai's car or she would drive her car and Sai would come with her. But Sai didn't take it that way. she just, you know. That's why texts can be very unclear. For sure. Yes. All the time. Yes. Always misread a text because somebody might be trying to be funny, but you're like, what fuck is that?

We Wine Whenever (04:17.012)
That's why text can be very unclear. It happens all the time. Always.

We Wine Whenever (04:20.22)
Eric says that all the time. You can always misread the text because somebody might be trying to be funny, but you're like, the fuck is that? Right. Yeah. Which is 99 % of the time with me, by the way. I'm like, are you serious? No, she's not. She's kidding. so when, know, and Uzo show up and Eric says that, Uzo's like, know, this telephone game that we're playing is crazy.

We Wine Whenever (04:26.633)
Right, exactly. then, you know, 99 % of the time, I'm like, are serious? And so when, you know, Sai and Uba show up and Aaron says that, Uba's like, you know, this telephone game that we're playing is crazy.

We Wine Whenever (04:37.062)
And so, know, Scott, you're

We Wine Whenever (04:48.06)
And I go, because it is a little bit crazy. It's not telephone gaming. It's not texting. It can really detect that wind is really blowing hot, which will skill it. Well, But in that sense, so Sai got to the house before Rockhell. Yes. And she, I thought Sai handled it very well. Like she was like, no, that's not what happened. Exactly. It didn't pop off. She just.

We Wine Whenever (04:48.082)
And I get it because it is a little bit crazy and it's not just the telephone game. It's not just the texting. It is really the fact that Brynn is really stirring the pot, which we'll see a little bit later in the episode. But in that sense, so Psy got to the house before Rock Hell. Yes, yes. I thought Psy handled it very well. Like she was like, no, no, that would happen. She didn't pop off. She just was very relaxed about it.

We Wine Whenever (04:53.623)
I was her. She was like, no. No.

We Wine Whenever (05:16.43)
Was very relaxed about it, showed the text. It was like, this was the exchange. Right. So that was good. It was. I'm sure I'm really proud of this guy. Me too. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (05:17.754)
showed the text and was like this was the exchange. Right. So that was good. It was good. I'm proud. I really am proud of Sai. Me too. Definitely a market difference. Yes.

We Wine Whenever (05:26.045)
Definitely a market difference.

We Wine Whenever (05:34.471)
So, Sy asked Erin what the room situation is. Because that's always a big deal. And she said that Erin and Jenna, wait, Jenna and Raquel are sharing. Which we kind of figured because Raquel is friends with Jenna. Yeah, they're friends. Right. Not because they're both lesbians. Right, no. Because... It just worked out good. Yeah, that's just a bonus. Whatever.

We Wine Whenever (05:34.492)
So, asked Darren what his situation is. Because that's a really good deal. And she said that Darren and Tiana, wait, Tiana and Michelle are parents. Which we kind of figured because Tiana is her friend. Yeah, they're friends. Not because they're both lesbians. Right, no. That just worked out. That's just a coincidence. And Michelle just asked, did Ty answer?

We Wine Whenever (05:34.496)
So how do you guys learn what the situation is? Because that's what we do.

We Wine Whenever (05:43.36)
Wait, Jen, you're a college chair.

We Wine Whenever (05:52.953)
That's amazing.

We Wine Whenever (05:59.678)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (06:00.742)
So then Raquel shows up last and Sai asks, why didn't you come with us? And Raquel said, because you said I couldn't sit in the front. And she said, no, you said you would drive. And they kind of explain it to each other, but for whatever reason, it's going to get brought up again. This is probably going to be a thing. Yeah, it's going to be a thing. It definitely is going to be a thing. When you don't have much else to be the thing, then this is the thing that you get.

We Wine Whenever (06:03.424)
you.

We Wine Whenever (06:05.596)
You said I can't eat the fries. And he said no. You said the fries. And they kind of explain it to each other that whatever he says is going to get blown up in him. This is probably going to be a thing. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (06:07.9)
And she said, no, you said, no. And I explained it to each other. What are you going to get part of? This is probably the other thing. Yeah.

Well, when you don't have much else to be the thing, then this is the thing that you get.

We Wine Whenever (06:25.272)
Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (06:30.182)
So then Uba and Brynn are in the other room and they're discussing how they're gonna approach the situation with Cy because Uba knows that Cy feels a way about Brynn and Uba pulls Cy into talk to Brynn and Brynn apologizes and said, listen, I don't wanna hurt you. Cy said, you never really heard my side. That's what her big complaint was. You never really let me explain what my side was.

We Wine Whenever (06:30.336)
Good night.

We Wine Whenever (06:41.03)
And you know.

We Wine Whenever (06:54.428)
You never knew that to explain what my slide was. I don't still think Brynn's side was the opposite. What, Sy's side was? Yeah. No, because at the party she got up and said, today, Satan, and walked out. Right. Which I don't blame her. I don't think Brynn's going to be accepting any telling her. Right. Wrong or messy or whatever. Whatever they're going to tell her. Exactly. We're not going to hear it.

We Wine Whenever (06:59.969)
still think Bryn knows what her side was to be honest with you. What? Sy's side was? Yes. No, because at the party she got up and said not today, Satan and walked out. Right. Which I don't blame her. I don't think Bryn's going to be accepting of anybody telling her. Right. at this. Wrong or messy or whatever. Whatever they're going to tell it. Exactly. So at this at this point, Sy and Bryn, they never really work it out, but

We Wine Whenever (07:12.776)
is accepting.

We Wine Whenever (07:24.42)
because they're going back and forth and Cy feels like no one is even listening to her, but she's very calm and she just says, it's fine, that's okay. And Brynn says, I forgive you for yelling at me. And Cy's like, I didn't ask for your forgiveness. I'm not sorry for anything I did. And listen, I agree with her, you know? I agree with her. And again, she was very calm about it. She wasn't, she wasn't, you know, flipping, flipping out.

We Wine Whenever (07:31.48)
And Bruce, just want to you for yelling at me and I was like, I didn't ask for this.

We Wine Whenever (07:31.841)
I totally agree with her.

We Wine Whenever (07:39.328)
And I said, I didn't want to, you know? I didn't to. Very long time. She wasn't helping helping me living out. Well, this is the thing. You can't just have an argument with somebody and sit down and say, I just wanted to say, I'm sorry. And then just think, okay, that's it. Right. You know, that's not a conversation.

We Wine Whenever (07:52.26)
I'm sorry. And then just think, okay, that's it. Right. That's not a conversation. Right. That's you just trying to make everything okay so that you have a good weekend. That's kind of how I felt it was. It's like Heather on OC. I didn't mean it that way. I didn't want to hurt you. Right. Right. Right. Because we're not going to talk about what an asshole you are. But then I'll bring it up 10 more times.

We Wine Whenever (07:54.716)
Bye.

And then, okay.

We Wine Whenever (08:04.542)
That you just trying to make everything okay so that you have a good weekend. That's kind of how I felt it was.

We Wine Whenever (08:10.318)
It's like Heather on OC. I didn't mean it that way. I didn't want to hurt you. Let's move on. Right. Because we're not going to talk about what an asshole you are. Exactly. So that was. Yeah, exactly. We're only going to talk about it when I want to talk about it, not when you want to talk about it. When I have a well constructed response to you that I have rehearsed in my head or possibly even written down on paper.

We Wine Whenever (08:21.889)
Exactly. Which is like a housewife theme. Yeah, exactly. Right. We're only going to talk about it when I want to talk about it. Right. When you want to talk about Right. When I have a well constructed response to you that I have rehearsed in my head or possibly even written down on paper. Right. Or memorized because I'm a trained actress. Just saying. Just saying. So then they all go into the kitchen and they're like, you know, hug each other. So Brynn goes over and does hug Psy and they hug it out, which

We Wine Whenever (08:23.988)
Yes, 101.

We Wine Whenever (08:29.046)
Yeah, Lisa Barlow.

We Wine Whenever (08:36.757)
Yes.

Yes.

We Wine Whenever (08:39.932)
Exactly.

We Wine Whenever (08:50.02)
and they hung it out. It seemed to be some sort of a crime, but really it wasn't. Well, wait, how about when Jenna sat down and totally like sidestepped the fact that she absolutely indicated that it was Brynn who said, Sy says she needed to. Right.

We Wine Whenever (08:50.184)
and they have it, which it's.

We Wine Whenever (08:51.715)
It seemed to be sincere at the time, but it really wasn't. Well, wait, how about when Jenna sat down and totally like sidestep the fact that she absolutely indicated that it was Brynn who said, Sy said she hated Right. But I can understand Jenna's point of view a little bit. mean, why would I play these baby games? Well, what difference does it make really? I mean, I think.

We Wine Whenever (09:06.816)
But I can understand Jenna's point of view a little bit. I mean, why do we got to play these like baby games? What difference does it make really? I mean, I think that Jenna's whole thing is she just does not like conflict and especially girl drama at all. Like she's not into it at all. And I think she'll do whatever she needs to do to sidestep it. But in a way she's right. Because what difference does it make?

We Wine Whenever (09:15.185)
Whoa.

We Wine Whenever (09:19.97)
that Jenna's whole thing was she just does not like conflict. No, she does not like conflict. especially girl drama at all. Right. She's not into it at all. And I think she'll do whatever she needs to do to sidestep it. But in a way, she's right, because what difference does it make? Well, and apparently, according to Brynn, she's not the only one who was saying this. Like, Psy was telling a lot of people she didn't like Jenna. According to Jenna, that was the case. Right. Because Jenna said. Right. So. Right.

We Wine Whenever (09:23.532)
No, she does not like conflict. Right.

We Wine Whenever (09:35.548)
Well, and apparently according to Brynn, she's not the only one who was saying this. Like, Psy was telling a lot of people she didn't like Jenna. According to one of the back streets. Right. Because Jenna's best is for Right. So, you know, I guess it doesn't really matter that Brynn's the one that... Right. Yeah. Right. So then Aaron's been talking to Jenna...

We Wine Whenever (09:45.854)
Yes, one is the one who said she heard from multiple people. Right, it brought it, right.

We Wine Whenever (09:49.533)
I guess it doesn't really matter that Brynn's the one that. Right. So then Erin brings out gift baskets that she has for all the girls. And Jenna says, wait, I have something for everyone also. And Jenna got them all lingerie. But Jessel, she said, listen, I got you something different because last year I gave you a hard time about wearing multiple labels. Which she did give her a hard time about wearing multiple labels. But I thought you're getting her something different because she had that

We Wine Whenever (09:59.516)
and Genesis.

We Wine Whenever (10:02.842)
And Jen.

We Wine Whenever (10:02.893)
And Jenna got.

We Wine Whenever (10:07.952)
different because last year.

We Wine Whenever (10:13.023)
Which she did.

We Wine Whenever (10:13.148)
was funny.

We Wine Whenever (10:16.404)
I thought.

We Wine Whenever (10:16.592)
That was good. That was real good.

We Wine Whenever (10:19.272)
response about the lingerie and it turns out she got her the Christmas tree costume because she did have that response and I'll I'll tell you that was good I didn't see that coming from Jenna I did not the Christmas tree costume

We Wine Whenever (10:19.328)
The only thing I thought would have been really good is if she would have put it on Yeah, yeah and walked out with it Yes, we could the Christmas tree is here like something. I think that would have been really cute

We Wine Whenever (10:35.764)
yeah and walked out and said I look like a Christmas tree like she did last year Yeah Why does Jenna have to get them gifts though right like how about those gifts from Erin though? She was not fucking around that was a good gift She is and then all of a sudden Jenna's like I have gifts for everybody too like right after

We Wine Whenever (10:46.175)
get them gifts though right like Aaron how about those gifts from Aaron she was not fucking around yeah yeah no she's a baller she is she's a baller yeah I have gifts for everybody too but right after but you know that was Jenna's thing last year and they were giving her a hard time about it they were saying she was giving things that she had like promotion things and that wasn't the case

We Wine Whenever (10:50.27)
Yeah, she just don't

We Wine Whenever (11:04.91)
Yeah, right, right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (11:11.519)
Right.

We Wine Whenever (11:13.757)
That wasn't the case. wasn't wanting to dispose about it. And she did kind of say at the reunion last year, that's what she likes to do. That's kind of her love language. That's her love language is giving gifts. So yeah, listen, my love language is receiving gifts. So bring it on, bring it on. Right. So then she actually did give Jessel her own lingerie, but you know, she didn't expect them to wear it this time, which was good.

We Wine Whenever (11:26.257)
I'm down for it.

We Wine Whenever (11:30.408)
Yeah, so there you go. Very good.

We Wine Whenever (11:39.627)
Right. What was the thing they were talking about where you put it and it shoots out with a sneeze?

We Wine Whenever (11:41.235)
What was the thing they were talking about where you put it and it shoots out with a sneeze? my God, that was Rebecca Linkov saying that she had one of those menstrual cups in and she sneezed and it came out. I'm impressed that she still has her period. How could she be? I don't I mean, I don't think she's that old. Younger than me. Yeah, I don't think she's that old. Yeah, yeah.

We Wine Whenever (11:48.412)
my God, that was Rebecca Minkoff saying that she had one of those menstrual cups in and she sneezed and it came out. I'm impressed that she still has her period. I don't know. How old do think she is?

We Wine Whenever (12:02.076)
Well, how old could she be? I don't know. mean, if she's Erin's age, Erin's younger than me. Yeah, I'm 50. I still get it. I don't think it's TMI, but I do, bastards. Yeah. Yeah, but that... my gosh.

We Wine Whenever (12:06.472)
I guess she's 40s. okay. No, I guess so.

We Wine Whenever (12:12.478)
I don't think these women are that old. Yeah. But that's you're talking about. my gosh. I would never, I don't know. I'm just very old school with that stuff. I am too. I would never even be putting one in there because like, listen, when you're done with it, how do you get it out? no. No, no, no. We don't want any part of that. We do not want any part of that. No.

We Wine Whenever (12:16.863)
Yeah, but that's what she was talking about that she had it in once and sneezed hard and it flew out.

We Wine Whenever (12:22.652)
I'm just very old school with that stuff.

We Wine Whenever (12:32.937)
I don't want to... I don't know. No! No! my god.

We Wine Whenever (12:32.96)
Gotta fish it out and wash it and man.

We Wine Whenever (12:41.774)
So then we find out

We Wine Whenever (12:41.863)
So then we find out that Erin and Bryn are sharing a room, Sy and Uba are sharing a room, and Jessel and Rebecca are sharing a room.

Jessel comes out when they're all going out to dinner wearing her Alberto Fioretti couture dress. You need to be going to club with that outfit. Which is literally see-through. That's crazy. I don't know if that was Hampton's dinner attire. No! But you know what? Again, she works hard, obviously. She's all snatched after having her babies. She wants to show it off, so go ahead, girl.

We Wine Whenever (12:52.07)
Jessel comes out wearing her dirty, pretty, tour dress. That was a club outfit. I don't know if that was Hampton's dinner attire, but you know what? Again, her like she works hard. Obviously she's all snatched after having her babies. So she wants to show it off. So go ahead, girl.

We Wine Whenever (12:52.106)
Just comes around when you're.

We Wine Whenever (13:02.036)
Girl, you need to be going to club with that alphadon. That's crazy, where are going? No!

We Wine Whenever (13:20.548)
Yeah, and she said she had her skims on underneath, but didn't she say they were crotchless? I don't know what was going on there. I don't know. don't think I really know. was a little too much. Yeah. lot of skin. So then they're out to dinner and they're all sitting at the table and Brynn being Brynn's like, I'm going to, you know, I'm going to start finding out like who's this Raquel and what's going on with the crowd. So Raquel, you know, lets us know, which we knew already. She started out as a model in the nineties.

We Wine Whenever (13:20.672)
Yep.

We Wine Whenever (13:24.252)
Didn't she say she was a prophet? I don't.

We Wine Whenever (13:26.356)
I don't know what was going on there. don't know. I don't think I really want to know. was a little too much information for me. Yeah.

We Wine Whenever (13:30.542)
Yeah. Not a skin.

We Wine Whenever (13:44.764)
So Raquel, who lets us know she's already started out as a model in the 90s and was married to a man called Benin. Raquel said as an artist, when she was coming up with artists didn't look to women for their art. Especially women of color. that's what is. It's not that she's actually an artist. It's that she is like an art connoisseur or...

We Wine Whenever (13:44.832)
So, we're told, you know, let's hope for the best.

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and was married to a man, which we also knew. Raquel said that the artist, when she was coming up, like artists didn't look to women for their opinions on artwork. Like especially women of color, because that's what she is. It's not that she's actually an artist. It's that she is like an art connoisseur or art expert, right? Yeah. So she said she cultivated her own personal art.

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When he was coming up, our students looked with for their...

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Because that's what she is. It's not that she's actually an artist. It's that she is.

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art experts, right? Yeah.

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Yeah, so she said she cultivated her own personal art collection, so much so to the point that, you know, institutions and museums were asking to show it, and then people started to approach her about their own art collections.

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Right. So much so to the point that, you know, institutions and museums were asking to show it and then people started to approach her about their own art collection. Right. Right. Exactly. Is she the one she did sets for like Sex and the City? She did art. She did the art for, right. She did the art for those shows. She provided the art pieces for sets. Yes. Yes. And then we, then they asked her about how she got engaged, how

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you know,

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Right, right. Is she the one she did sets for like Sex and the City? She did art. Right, right. I'm sorry. Yeah, provided the art pieces for sets on set. Yeah. And then I'm going to interrupt.

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Yes.

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you how she was proposed to and she talks about that and she shows her ring, which, you know, it was an art piece. It really was an art piece. It was black, white and cognac diamonds. And it was huge. And like most of the women said, they, you know, they wouldn't wear it, but for her, that's what she liked. So that is a self-defense weapon. You punch somebody in face with that.

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Yeah, I thought it was very fitting.

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which, you know, it was.

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and it was huge and like...

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I mean, that's like a set of brass knuckles. Like that is a self-defense weapon. You punch somebody in the face with that. Yeah. You losing a tooth.

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Yeah. Yeah. Just leaving a mark. I loved it and I thought it was very fitting for her. She could it off. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah, it's even a mark. I loved it and I thought it was very fitting for her. I 100 % agree with it. was totally fitting for her. It worked for her. But obviously, I mean, she's like six feet tall and she's a model. So yes, she can wear whatever she wants. Whereas Sai, like myself, is probably five foot three. And like we couldn't pull off a ring like that because it's bigger than our palm.

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I mean, like, the whole talk. Right. She can wear whatever she wants.

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You know, it's because they're moms. Exactly. So,

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Right.

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So yeah, whatever works for you works for you. And then Brynn being Brynn, she's like, I wanna be a lesbian so bad. What?

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And Brynn said, I want to be in this for a minute.

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I won't stop it.

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She says the stupidest shit. Who says the stupidest shit?

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She says the stupidest shit. And Jenna said, well, stupid as shit. She does. Jenna says, well, you still have time. I was 43 and Brint's like, yeah, I'm 38. Maybe I do still have time. She doesn't want to be a lesbian. She just wants attention. Just wants attention. And she uses her sexuality to try to get it and then gets offended when somebody asks a question about how she makes her money. You know what I mean? Like with the Jeff Lewis thing. Yes, absolutely. This is This is your persona.

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She just wants attention. And she uses her sexuality to try to get it and then gets offended when somebody asks a question about how she makes her money. You know what I mean? Like the Jeff Lewis thing. This is your persona. This is your persona. And people can ask questions.

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And then

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Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I mean, just think about, right, think about your first season tagline and then don't have a problem when people wonder. Isn't it better? No.

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And your second season tagline isn't any better. So then Brynn wants to hear about Rebecca, you know, for her to tell her story. So she was born in San Diego. She moved to Florida and then went to New York at 18. She was in love with a guy with a great apartment. And she said, let's move in together. Not that, you know,

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Yeah.

Right.

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So she was born in San Diego.

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And then he was at this meeting. She was in love with him.

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She was in.

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Not that, you know, she really wanted to.

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You know, she really wanted to be with them.

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She wanted to be in this great apartment. So she gives up her apartment and the day she goes in to move in with him, he's like, no. The night before. Right. The night before he breaks up with her. Yeah. He's like, no, this isn't going to work. Now she doesn't have an apartment, but she had called up her friend that she knew. Her first boyfriend. Right. And said, why don't you come take my place?

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So she gets a first part of the situation, goes into a little bit of a movie.

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But moving on.

The night before. Right. The night before he breaks up with her. Yeah.

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Yeah, but she doesn't have a friend. But he had told a friend that she knew.

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Her first boyfriend who she lost her virginity to He's like sorry He's moving to New York where the fuck you want him to go if he doesn't take the room you were giving them

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and he was coming to take her place. And she said, no, I need that place now. Like, please don't take it. And he's like, no, I'm taking it. Which listen, I don't blame him. He already made the plans to move. Right, Right, right. Exactly. So his name is Brad. And the girl's like, we don't like Brad. Rebecca's like, no, no, I love him. I actually lost my virginity to him. She lost her virginity at 16. Now here's the kicker.

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Right. Right. Right. Okay.

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She lost her virginity at 16, now here's the truth, because her parents had a really great school.

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of your

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because her parents had a really great deal for her. If you don't do drugs, I will get you birth control. That was a deal that her parents had for her at 16 years old. Well, I'm not gonna talk about this podcast, but I will have it ready for next podcast. There was some stuff about Rebecca Minkoff's father that will shed some light on this whole odd.

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If you don't suit her up, I will take the first control. That was the thing that her parents had to defer at 16 years old.

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Well, I'm not going to talk about it this podcast, but I will have it ready for next podcast. There are some stuff about Rebecca Minkoff's father that will shed some light on this whole odd. There's going on there.

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Why are we saving it for the next one? Because she doesn't have it together. doesn't have it together. But that's all right. Let's talk about what your thoughts are about that. I mean, you guys, you two have daughters. I don't have a daughter. So. would you say to your daughter at 16, don't do drugs and I'll get you birth control? No, but if my daughter were in a loving, committed relationship and came to me and said that she was thinking about becoming sexually active, I would obviously bring her to the doctor and get her birth control.

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Why are we saying this one? No, but if my daughter were in a loving committed relationship and came to me and said that she was thinking about becoming sexually active, I would obviously bring her to the doctor and.

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I don't have a- it's-

getting in there.

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Fuck no! No.

Now. Now.

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Yeah. Right. Right.

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get it, you know, prepare her the every way she needed to. But I wouldn't make it a bargaining situation. I don't, I, you know, well, you know where I stand on the drug thing.

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her every way she needed to. But I wouldn't make it a bargaining situation. don't, I, you know, you know where I stand on the drug thing. Yeah, I just thought that was a little odd. And then, and then to even add more oddity to it, she talks about still having the bed that she lost her virginity in. That was... I mean, not the mattress, she said. She made that clear it wasn't the mattress. But wait, what? How could it have been that great of a headboard?

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No.

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Yeah, no. It is odd.

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And this is even more odd if you can feel it. She talks

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It's odd.

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That was Well Well, I mean maybe alright so obviously it was the bed she was sleeping in when she was 16 years old So me is it so it's probably just still in her parents house in her old bedroom. That's probably what she meant

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But could it, how could it have been that great of a headboard, footboard situation that you would want to keep it now with all your money?

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So it's probably just still in her parents house in her old bedroom, that's probably what she meant. I don't think so. really don't think so. don't know.

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okay.

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is she doing? Moving it around with her? was probably a twin or a full-size bed. She couldn't have had a queen or a king at 16 years old. That would just be stupid.

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Who knows? Who knows? I don't

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I guess we'll have to wait and see how this whole thing, we need to know more about what's going on with Rebecca. need to know. That's my feeling. It's still in her parents' Yeah.

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This is weird.

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We're going to, yeah, we need more deets on the, on the bed situation. That's my feeling. It's still in her parents' house.

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I didn't even think about that, you're probably right.

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So then after the dinner, the girls all go back to Erin's house and some of them are going to bed. asks Erin, what do you think about Brynn and Sy? So they're in the kitchen talking. Erin says, I think they're fine. Uba's talking to Jessel and Erin, said, she is afraid to open up. Meaning, Uba's afraid to open up because she doesn't feel safe. And she really is referring to Brynn.

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So then.

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And some of you are going to

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She is afraid to open up.

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She is beautiful.

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She twists things and to me that's a dangerous person when I tell you something I'm an honest person I'm telling you the truth so when you take my words and you twist it into something different that's dangerous person and I

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She's not referring to any of them, but she doesn't feel safe opening up to Brynn because Brynn weaponizes everything that you confide in her with. She twists things. Yeah. To me, that's a dangerous person. When I tell you something, I'm an honest person. I'm telling you the truth. So when you take my words and you twist it into something different, that's a dangerous person. And I think that's what Brynn does. Yeah. She was like, I'm scared to open up to you bitches.

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That's what brain does.

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Yeah, she was like, I'm scared to open up to you bitches. Everyone is a pigeon. I that. I love how her, her, yeah, and her like English, her translation. Yeah.

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Right. That, I like how her... Accent. Yeah, and her like... It's not even that. It's her translation. Like, her translation. Like, it's really, honestly, I think it's hens. I think she means to call them hens. Like, cackling hens. Like, you know, like, hens are like... I mean, I don't really think it's pigeons. No, I think it is pigeons. You do? Carriers. Because they carry massages. Okay. know, a pigeon will carry massages. Yeah. pigeon shits on

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I did like the pigeon reference.

Accent. Manners. Like, really honestly, think the hens, the incestuous cuddling hens. Like, the cackling hens. yeah, yeah, yeah. Hens are like, I mean, don't think it's ridiculous. Because they're carriers. Yeah.

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No, I think it is pigeons. I think it- yeah, because they carry messages. No, a pigeon will carry messages. A pigeon shits on you.

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That's true. That's true. Yeah. So then, then Brynn walks in while they're having this conversation and you know, she said, Uba says to her, Sy's not good. And she said, no, we're good. Brynn says, no, Sy and I, we're good. Uba said, you weren't listening to Sy. Like you didn't even hear what she had to say. And that's what we just said. Like she didn't listen to Sy. Sy just said, fine, let's let it go.

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Right.

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Yeah, then, then, then, then,

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you

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Mm-hmm.

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And Uba's trying to explain to Brynn, like, after you had the conversation with her, she came up to my room, our room, and we were talking about it. And she's, you know, she's not good. She said it's okay, and she's gonna move on. This is where I think Uba's wrong. Like, she needs to voice her own concerns. Don't voice Sai's concerns. Let Sai fight her own battles, because Sai is very capable. 100 % she's capable.

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You know, not that she said it was a lie. This is where I think it was wrong. Like, she needs to...

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Yeah

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Right. Of doing it. Yeah. Like who was like disguising her own shit into size shit. Now see, this is how know she did know about, she did mean pigeons because she said, you guys are pigeons, but with the wrong address. No carrying message. Like all fucked up.

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Yeah, yes. See this is how know she did know about, she did mean pigeons because she said, you guys are pigeons but with the wrong address. Yeah, so you're carrying the message. You're carrying the like all fucked up. And Brynn said that she didn't want the girls talking shit about her friendship inside but she's talking shit about everybody else so you know you can't you can't do that. You can't say like you don't do this when you're doing it. Right and then Uba does say like

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Yeah, for sure.

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Yeah, so you're carrying the message.

And Brynn said that she didn't want the girls talking shit about her friendship with Cy, but she's talking shit about everybody else. So you, you know, you can't, you can't do that. You can't say like, don't do this when you're doing it.

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Like you didn't work anything out. You just sweep everything under the rug and then you'll find another conflict that you think is the right time and is related to someone else to bring it back up. So you'll wait, like you'll sweep this under the rug and then you'll find another time that someone's having a problem with Cy and then you'll bring up what happened with you and Cy and make this a thing. And she's right about that. That she's a hundred percent right about because that is what Brynn is doing. That's what she's doing.

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In

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someone else

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And then you'll find in another time that someone's problems inside. And then you'll bring up what happened to you inside and make this a thing. And she's right about that. That's what she's 100 % right about because that is what Britain is doing. That's what she's doing.

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and make this a goal. She's right. That's just the hardest thing bring up because that is what we're to do.

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So then the next morning, Rebecca and Jessel, they're waking up and they're talking to Pavit on the phone. Jessel says, no, Rebecca says to Pavit, what did she say to him? Something like, I'm here in bed with your wife or something? You know, just kind of joking. Yeah. And then Brennan Aaron are talking. This is what Laurie and I were just talking about. You and I had mentioned it the other day. So New York and Salt Lake City have the same production company and they are both doing the same kind of thing.

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So then the next morning Rebecca and Jessica were waking up and they were talking about having on the phone and Jessica said, Rebecca said, have it. What if you put it in something like, I'm here to talk to your wife or something. I don't even remember that. then Brian and Sarah were talking. This is what Lori and I were just talking about. You and I had a good talk. So New York, Portland, we have a great production company and they are both doing this whole kind of thing. Wait, was it New York and

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Yeah.

We're going to have to talk about it. We want to have to talk about it. So, New York, we have to be a professional company.

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Was it salt lake?

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Salt Lake or New York and OC?

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Salt Lake? Yeah. New York and OC. No, New York and Salt Lake. Beverly Hills and OC have the same. So New York and Salt Lake that we're watching right now. Right, that's right, because they're simultaneously. Right, we're watching them together right now. They have the same production company and they're both doing the same kind of side by side thing. So they pair off and they have side conversations about what had happened. Both of them are doing this right now. And they had like the scene together where they were in the furniture store in Salt Lake and they were in

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Okay. that's right. That's right. Cause they're simultaneous.

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breaking up.

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So they pair off and they have some communication about what happened. Both of them are building up right now. And they have like a close together. They were in the store. Right, right, right. New York furniture store. Right. And we like the reality of these.

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So they pair off and they have some kind of relationship about what's happened. Both of them are in this room right now and they have to be in together for the rest lives.

Okay.

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New York and the furniture store. And we like reality TV, but we don't like it to be so produced. And this is so evident how produced it is. It's just so evident. So I had mentioned, so New York is Shed Media. Shed Media and Salt Lake is the production company for both of those. So Shed Media, listen to us. We We Wine Whenever, and we are suggesting to you that don't produce it the same way. Don't.

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And we like the value of people. We love so productive. It's so evident how he is. It's just so very, so I have to say, so New York's Jed media, Jed media and Broadway is a product of the world. So, Jed media, listen to us. are.

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So, had mentioned, so, New York is a shed media. Shed media and Salt Lake is the production company for both of those. So shed media, listen to us, we rewinding the network, we are suggesting to you that don't purchase the same way. Don't. Don't just decide those ties. Make it more fluid. Don't just go back and forth with this. We want a story line. We don't want to going back

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that don't produce the same quality. So, should these things like that be used? We're going back and forth. We want storage. We don't want to...

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Don't do these side by sides. Make it more fluid. Don't keep going back and forth with this. We want a storyline. We don't want to keep going back and forth. And this one talking about this one and that one talking about that one. And just let them do what they're going to do. Right. telling them what to do. Right. You're obviously telling them what to do because you're telling both franchises what to do because they're doing the same thing. That's not coincidence. Right. I read online.

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And just let them do what they're gonna do and stop telling them what to do because you're obviously telling them what to do because you're you're telling both Franchises what to do because they're doing the same thing. That's not coincidence

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Right. Now, I read online, I don't remember where it was, but it was in the comments section and someone said, I feel like the housewives

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it was in the comment section as someone said, I feel like the housewives.

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You know what? This is really bad. can't believe it. OK.

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You know what? This is really bad. can't even read my own handwriting. I can't read it. Wait a second. OK.

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I'm like, it's so bad. You can't say it like that's pretty bad if Laurie can't say it. It's pretty bad

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That's perfect. That's perfect. So instead of documenting your life, you're like producing it. Right. And that's part of the problem. That's exactly what I'm saying. Shed media. Please listen to us. Shed media. We whine whenever we hear. Please stop overproducing the show. Let the storyline play out and let us see it play out. Stop doing these side things where you're

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Garden Street, the jewelry, proper cut, LeMontini.

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Yeah. So instead of documenting their life, they're like producing it. that's part of the problem. Sorry, it took so long.

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Yeah, exactly.

That is the PSA of the day I'll have I'll let you have it tonight

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sorry. Overproduced. Overproducing.

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having these side conversations, we don't like it. That's just our PSA. That is the PSA of the day. I mean, that's Kelly's thing, but yeah. I'll let you have it tonight. All right. So, Ubensire discussing the conflicts, Brynn decides that she's going to go wake up Jenna and she, know, Raquel is there in bed with her and she jumps in bed with her and pretends like she is Cass, which is her fiance. Again, over sexualizing. Over sexualizing.

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We need to start to just go away from that.

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And is passed, which is her fiance. Again, sexualizing. Yep. Over sexualizing. Sexual innuendo there. Yep. So then we're all eating lunch outside and Brin again asks who's forcing the driveway and it's her cow and she's like, is it a cow? She's like, no, that is a deer weight. Then Brin has to stand up and thinks that the fence is there for the cows. We all know the fence is there for the cows, Brin.

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Thank you.

And we're saying, like, 20 minutes. Yeah?

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Yep. So then they're all eating breakfast outside and Bryn again asked who's Porsche's in the driveway and it's Raquel's and she's like, is it a turbo? And she's like, no, because that would have been a two year wait. Then Bryn asked Jenna if she thinks the Bentley is going to break down. We all know the Bentley is not going to break down Bryn. Does Bryn have a car? It's what I want to know. No, I'm sure she doesn't, but I loved how quick Jenna was with that response.

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Thank you.

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Wait, does Brynn have a car? That's what I want to know.

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Jenna says, no, but I only travel with Erin in case it does and I need an Uber. Like she did not even skip a beat. Jenna Lyons, I was there for that. That was Jenna fucking Lyons. Then Brynn says, Erin, okay. Brynn says, so you do have money. Right, stirring the pot and you could see.

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Yes, yes, that was very very witty. Yep, very witty. Good job, Jenna. That was Jenna fucking Lyons,

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Then Bruce says, Erin, Bruce says, so you do have a food. Right, asshole. Right. That was your food. And you're in the pot, and you can see Erin's face when she said it, was actually like, almost like she's fitting in her food, really? Like, this is where you're going? You're out on your own! I'm hosting you on my own! Yep, yep. And this is what you're doing. And you're bringing it up again. And you're going enough yet. Yep. So Jennifer.

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Erin's face when she said that she was actually like almost like spitting out her food. Like, really? Like this is where you're going? You're at my house. I'm hosting you at my house. And this is what you're doing. And you're bringing it up again. So Jenna says, why she said, because in this group, everything gets twisted. no, no, no, I'm sorry.

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So gentlemen, why?

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Why, he said, because this group everything was, no, no.

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That's Uberset that.

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Yeah, we didn't say it.

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Uba says, I think this is why Psy is not here. So Uba comes down and she's like, I think this is why Psy is not here. And Jenna said, And she said, because this group, everything gets twisted. She said to Raquel, we told you that we would not let you ride in the front. You said that. She's like, well, no, I didn't say that. That's what I thought. And she's like, that's what I'm talking about.

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Just, just.

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She said, we told you that we would not let.

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Right. You said you would drive. Right. said you would drive. And then Raquel said that was just a miscommunication. And then Bryn being Bryn says, well, maybe because people are using spokespeople and not talking for themselves, referring to Sai. But Uba's like, I was a part of this whole conversation. It's not like Sai asked Uba to do this. Like, no, honestly, what Jessel said is 100 % correct.

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And you intimated that we did say that. And it's not like Sai asked Uba to do this. Like, honestly, what Jessel said is 100 % correct. This goes back to last season.

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They were like, you said you dropped. And they were telling me that this connotation, and then Brent A. Brand says, maybe he people are usually spoke to people and not spoken for themselves, referring to thoughts. But who was like, I was I'm not a And there's so much to my idea, but there's enough reason, more justice, more hope, more justice, correct. This goes back to last week. Yeah, last week. Where?

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This goes back to last season, the last night where Brynn said, I heard you got a man in Connecticut. It all goes back to that. So I didn't ask Uba to do it. Uba's taking on everybody's annoyance with Brynn. Yes, and like Uba said, she was a part of the whole thing because she is the one who originally said, I'm going to drive up. And Sy said, well, I'll go with you because I don't want you to be alone. And then they found out Raquel was going to drive.

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last night where Brynn said, I heard you got a man in Connecticut. It all goes back to that. So, so I didn't ask Uber to do it. She's, Uber's taking on everybody's annoyance with Brynn.

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friends that I had with her. That was all her action. So I didn't actively do it. Who would have thought that she would be a nice little friend? Yes, I was like, would have thought? It was a hard little thing because she is the one who originally had a little side of her. And so I said, I'll go get the settle one for me alone. Right.

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So Uba was a part of it. It's not like she's inserting herself. She was a part of this whole telephone game from the beginning. Yeah. And that's, you we said that it's just holding in the spine helicopter. There's three hours, like, come on. Right. And yeah, well, we know that from Summer House, like in traffic. Right. Right. the heat of the season. Yeah. I don't know what time of year this was that they wanted it. And then Brynn says, Princess, where's, where's Psy? She can't talk for herself. And then Uba said, shut the fuck up.

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Right. Right.

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From the beginning. Yeah and that's you know we said that it was 40 minutes by helicopter it was three hours by car.

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in, yeah, well, we know that from Summer House, like in traffic, in the, you know, in the heat of the season. I don't know what time of year this was that they went, but.

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Yeah. And that's when Jess said, you know, it's bubbling over from last year and then Cy walks out. Well, this is all going on and she has no idea what's going on. And she sits down like eating her whatever the heck she's eating, her burrito or breakfast frittata, whatever she's eating. She's like, hey, what's going on? And listen, at this point, it wasn't good. It really wasn't. Why does everybody keep saying pineapple to end the conversation? no, no, no, that was no, no, that wasn't to end a conversation. You don't know what pineapple was.

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She should want her whatever she can have for meal.

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whatever you can think of.

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Mm-hmm. No, but why does everybody keep saying pineapple to end a conversation? No, it's not though this one. isn't the only franchise. They're doing there was the only show they're doing this on What's pineapple?

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Because it's... no.

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my god. But it's not the only, this isn't the only franchise they're doing, they're the only show they're doing this on. What's pineapple? So it's not that, so it's a code word. It's a code word to get you to stop and think. It's not a safe word. Where did that come from? They must have made it They made it up. but this isn't the only show that I've seen. I swear. Maybe it Salt Lake because it's the same protection company. It's probably Salt Lake. probably was.

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It's a code word. It's a code word that stops the day. Where did that come up? Where did that come from? but this isn't the only show that I've seen it on. I swear. And I'm like, why is everybody saying... I wonder if it was. It probably was.

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They must have made it up between themselves. Psy and Uber. really?

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You know what the best was? The best was Jasla's confessional where she doesn't, she's talking about, she's asking the same thing about a pineapple. goes, wasn't that the guy with Willis and the- right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She was calling him, wasn't calling him Tom Hanks. What was she calling him? Tom Cruise. Tom Cruise. Like, you confused Tom Cruise and Tom Hanks? my goodness. But listen, I get the pineapple thing and it works.

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You know what the best was? The best was Jessel's confessional where she doesn't, when she's talking about, she's asking the same thing about a pineapple and she goes, wasn't that the guy with Wilson and the- my God.

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yeah, yeah,

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I don't want her to remember. Tom Cruise! No, it's so funny. That was good.

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That was pretty funny It did it

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it worked like that. Because I have a code word with one of my children. I have a code word that gets them to stop in their tracks when they're going down the wrong path. And listen, it's not a bad thing. Eric and I have a word if we're fighting. Okay. And we're both like, yeah, we can't like, neither one of us are going to stop. Like we both have to be right. Right. You say your word.

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Eric and I have a word if we're fighting and we're both like we can't like neither one of us are gonna stop like we both have to be right so our word is to Tonka

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When they're down the wrong road.

Mm-hmm. No.

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is tatanka from Dances with Wolves. Remember when he was like, tatanka? So we even do this. And then you stop. I guess we're biting on a text and then we text it to each other, but we do tatanka. And it works every time, because who's not going to laugh at that? Right. Right. I honestly- get it. I just didn't know. I didn't know that that was an established thing. Well, I guess there's his pineapple. There's his pineapple. But I'm going to say to all of our listeners,

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I remember that.

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from Dances with Wolves, remember when he was like, tatanka? So we even do this. Unless we're fighting on a text and then we text it to each other, but we do tatanka. And it works every time, because who's not gonna laugh at that?

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That's great.

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That's great. Every time. Right that. That was the deal. We didn't know either. We found out.

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So I get it. just didn't know. I didn't know that that was an established thing.

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You guys should establish words with your people. And by your people, I mean like your family and the people close to you. When something is hitting you the wrong way and it's gonna go left, or you're at a level that you shouldn't be at, you need a friend or a family member to step in and just say that word and it will trigger the response that you need to have. That is the takeaway from this. Come up with a word.

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people.

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equal by your choice.

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It is the best way.

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Yeah.

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Yep. Yep.

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That is the takeaway from this. Come up with a word. Yep. I don't know. Maybe we should come up with a word. can't. It's boring. I think we're going to use that too much. think we're going have to that. Yeah. have to come up with a word. We're going to have to that. Quirk screw. I think I like quirk screw. Okay. All right. Quirk screw.

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I don't like pineapple. Maybe we should come up with a word for our podcast. Can it be wine or is that just too freaking obvious? I think wine would not be the good word, right? We have to come up with something. We're going to have to, we'll get back to you. Corkscrew? Okay. All right. Corkscrew it is. So if I think we're going in the wrong direction or you think I'm a little bit too hot.

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think we're going to use that to...

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Yeah, we'll have to think about that. So maybe, I like it. kind of like it. Yeah, it's got screw in there. I like it.

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Okay, I like it That is a great question

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Okay, we're going to tell you corkscrew. There you go. I want to ask you guys, who do you think is the most authentic on this cast?

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Just give me a corkscrew. Okay. Corkscrew and I'll just shut it down. I want to ask you. I do too. What do you think is the most authentic? The most authentic. that's a great question. That is a great question. Honestly.

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I think I do too. That's exactly who I was going to say. I do too, but I still think Uba is the most true to herself. And I would imagine that Uba is now on the show exactly who she was before the show started. I don't know if I.

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I think it's uber. I do too. I have Jenna uber and Jess. To me they're the most authentic. Like that's they're portraying. I would agree. I would agree with those three. I do too. But I still think uber is the most true to herself. And I would imagine that uber is now on the show exactly who she was before the show started. Right. I don't know if I

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I have Jenna, Uba and Jessel. To me they're the most authentic. that's, they're portraying more of who they are.

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yeah.

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when she... Right. Yes. Yes.

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100 % believe that about Jessel and I don't think that Jenna shares I don't know

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100 % believe that about Jessel. No, and I don't think that Jenna shares I think Jenna's coming into her her self. I think she's coming

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No, no, you're right.

share.

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I think she's still like hesitant.

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Yeah, I think that that's just her, I think that's like her, just her gig. Like I think Jenna, as successful as she is, still feels like she's got stuff to prove.

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Sure.

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Yeah, right. I think I think Uba. Jenna as successful as she is still feels like she has stuff to prove. Well, yeah, I mean just hearing her how she grew up with her mom and you know how she had not that her mother was not a great mom, but just You know, yes. Yeah, so for sure. Yeah So after the whole pineapple thing, you know, Uba like it worked for her she stopped

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Yeah, but I think Uber by far.

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Well, yeah, I mean, just hearing her, how she grew up with her mom and you know, how she had to be, not that her mother was not a great mom, just, you know, yeah. So for sure.

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Yeah, with her mom, yeah. Yeah.

Right. Had an illness, yes.

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So after the whole pineapple thing, know, Uva took it work and Paris she stopped. And then Paris pulled a all-time cycle of freezing and then Paris was done. It was really, know, really serious. And I think what Erin said is that she wasn't really taking the side of things seriously. She was taking that to herself as well. She was using the side as an example of what she meant to herself.

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And then Erin pulled, they all go inside because they're freezing. And then Erin pulled Uba's side and she said, listen, we really, you know, you're really taking the side thing very seriously. And I think what Erin didn't get is that she wasn't really taking the side thing seriously. She was saying that for herself as well. She was using Sai as an example, but she meant it for herself as well, because she keeps saying that, you know, I can't open up to you.

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And then.

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and

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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because I don't trust you because you twist everything and it doesn't come out the way I mean it or the way I say it. you know, Aaron's like, listen, I don't want this to be a big blow up. And pretty much that's how it ends. So we're gonna have to wait and see what happens next, but. So I wanna answer your question. Do you think that Aaron has ever been in a fist fight? No, no. Right? No.

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Right when you twist everything yeah

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And you.

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So I want to ask you a question. Do you think that Aaron has ever been in a fist fight? No. No, right? No. No, think he's been in a fight. Yes. Aaron is an amazing guy. Totally. Throw and throw. he's in a fist fight. Yeah. I will say. yeah. I will say. He may have been in a fist fight. I would even put it past Jessel. No, no. You don't think so? No, I'm OK.

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No. No. Right? No. think Aaron is public right wing. Yes. Aaron is an upper east side field through east row. I would say Prince is going to be in fight. I would say Sy is going to be this fight. I would say Cuba may have been in this fight. I would be honest with you. I know. was Jessalyn's job. was her job. Jessalyn's right wing is a subway. Jessalyn's subway is a train line. No, no.

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No, I think Erin is an Upper East Side girl. Erin is an Upper East Side girl through and through. I will say Bryn has been in a fist fight. I will say Cy has been in a fist fight. I will say Uba may have been in a fist fight. I would even put a fist fight. No, not Jessel. Nope, Jessel has not been in a fist fight. Jessel didn't ride the subway. Jessel has been in the subway three times. No, Jessel has not been in a fist fight.

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This is true, this is true. And what about Jenna Lyons? She's a wild card. You think she's been in this way?

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What about? No, no, don't think she's ever been in a first bite. It was too quiet. yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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No, I don't think Jenna Lyon's been in a fist fight. No. Uba grew up in Nigeria. mean, Uba, she was worrying about getting food. Uba will be fine. Uba will be fine.

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I think uva can throw down.

Yeah, I think she could throw it out. Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah. So I asked, mean, I asked, good Lord. I watched some, Bravo things with some of these girls. so Brynn was asked about her dating life and Jessel said something that was so sweet. She said, so Brynn said, you know, it's non-existent. She really doesn't have a dating life at the moment. And you know, the

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Bravo things with.

So Brynn was asked about her dating life and Jessel said something that was so sweet. She said, so Brynn said, you know, it's non-existent. She really doesn't have a dating life at the moment. And know, the interviewer was asking Brynn questions about her dating life and whatever. So Jessel said, it's gonna take a unicorn. I saw that. Yeah.

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interviewer was asking brain questions about her dating life and whatever. So Jessel said, it's going to take a unicorn. She said, yeah. She said, you are so dynamic and you have so many different levels that it's not going to take one guy. It's going to take the best guy. And I thought that was really, really very, very, very sweet.

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of vessels. It's going to take him. I saw that.

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She said, you are so dynamic and you have so many different levels that it's not going to take one guy. It's going to take the best guy. And I thought that was really, that's very sweet. Really, very, very, very Well, Erin gave her a unicorn.

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She said.

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That's very sweet.

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Erin gave Brynn a unicorn. that's right. Erin gave Brynn a unicorn. That's why. that must be why she did that. Erin gave Brynn a unicorn. It me confused with Salt Lake City because there was a unicorn going on here. Yes, there was. Yeah, no, Erin gave Brynn a unicorn and somebody thought it was an ashtray. And she's like, no, it's like a jewelry holder because of the conversation that they had at Brynn's apartment when Erin and Brynn were making up.

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Who? Erin. that's right. That's right. That's why. So that must be why she did that. Erin.

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okay. Okay. I get me confused with Salt Lake City because there was unicorn going on there too. was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

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Yes, there was. Right, right, right, Right. Yeah, me too, me too. She's a lot.

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So I agree with that about Brynn's person. Brynn's person does need to be a unicorn. I agree with that. Yeah, me too. 100%.

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Mm-hmm.

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And I just had a quick little fact. know, New Jersey set a record with six zip codes ranked among the most expensive in the United States. Yeah. How do you like that? I didn't find that out. Yeah. I didn't read. I didn't feel like reading the whole article, but.

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And, I just had a quick little fact. So, you know, New Jersey, set a record with six zip codes ranked among the most expensive in the United States. Really? Yeah. What are the zip codes? Wait, what? Yeah. I didn't read. I didn't feel like read the whole article, but you needed to give us six towns. No, no, you didn't. All right.

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So.

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Really? Yeah, what are the towns? All right, corkscrew! Corkscrew! Yes, this is amazing! Amazing!

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Now I have one, have the top one, cork stroke. I have the top one. I have the top one. Yeah. So in, in 2020, there was only one on the list. Yeah. So within four years. So the one that's on the list, the top one is Alpine, New Jersey. the medium price for home is 3.3 million.

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Aren't you glad we came up with this? And which one was that? the one that's on the list, the top one is Alpon, New Jersey. So the medium price for almost 3.3 million. I don't even know where that is.

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in New Jersey.

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North Jersey, North North North Jersey. Probably like Northwest. I'm gonna look it up.

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Yeah. And I didn't get any. Yeah. But, and, so the highest home sale in New Jersey in 2024 is 16.7 million, which was in that Alpine. Yeah. But I just thought that was interesting. You know, Jersey girl. Yeah. We're Jersey girls. So I was like, wow, look at that.

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Is it what county what county is it? All right Alpine yeah, but the in So the highest home sale in New Jersey in 2024 is 16.7 million which was Really That is interesting, thank you for that fun, New Jersey fact We are Jersey girls Bergen County. Okay, Bergen County

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Bergen, Bergen, of course it's Bergen.

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Yeah, yeah. useless information for you.

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